[ { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.487792128Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-04-30T21:56:10+0100", "id": "68c1871ea3dd60ea345a00d5d4b4b206", "post_id": "post-219994", "text": "I generally don't use the word spaceship. And as far as I remember, I did not hear any astronaut saying spaceship (which does not mean nobody said, I just don't remember having heard that). To me it seems that the term spaceship is more often used by laymen, filmmakers and science fiction freaks, rather than by real space flight people. NASA calls the Shuttle spacecraft, just like they call the Apollo Command & Service Module and Lunar Module spacecraft.I think it's a little bit hairsplitting. It's almost like discussing whether it's called spoiler or speedbrake, which extends on top of the wings during flight or on ground after landing of civial passenger aircraft like a Boeing 737 or Airbus A320 for example. Actually it's called flight spoilers and ground spoilers, but it is operated by a lever that is labeled speed brake (and some say air brake which indeed is not quite correct in this context).Such discussions is really something mostly flight simmers and space simmers get a headache with :lol:", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.83297792Z", "author": "Thorton", "date": "2010-04-26T19:33:55+0100", "id": "2710015ce191b6a63a8cfcb6f3bd8a0d", "post_id": "post-219437", "text": "[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3299\"]Molniya Rocket Pack (Block L, Molniya-1, Luna-9, L[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.764472832Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-07-26T20:38:17+0100", "id": "16045959f854203e0520262975858e97", "post_id": "post-251421", "text": "It's getting close now.10 days and 10 hours and 19 076 400 km to go, and we all shall know if that \"stunt\":)of NASA is good or bad.http:\/\/solarsystem.nasa.gov\/eyes\/pl...m.nasa.gov\/eyes\/content\/documents\/msl\/msl.xml", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.591105024Z", "author": "spcefrk", "date": "2008-05-11T14:49:05+0100", "id": "f481d7dd2ea216c129a9634669a9f28d", "post_id": "post-65226", "text": "The James Webb Telescope will replace it IIRC.", "thread_id": 1408 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663922944Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-04T19:17:57+0100", "id": "022c0fe2a7af8c5dd75beb4a6f4242d8", "post_id": "post-220637", "text": "Izack said:Ah, anyone get the NERVA2 working? I can't get it into the scenario...\n\nWith my module you need to define it like that:Code:Nerva:nerva2\n STATUS Orbiting Mars\n RPOS -1963523.52 348526.54 3002937.30\n RVEL -2894.498 -251.111 -1859.285\n AROT 16.66 51.86 13.10\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.0\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nENDAlso, here is what my version looked like (677000kg\/387000kg, 8.9km\/s DV):", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.977194496Z", "author": "Cairan", "date": "2012-08-08T02:16:07+0100", "id": "7a1221fdb0e42ff8cca2b380677cd7f5", "post_id": "post-251759", "text": "SolarLiner said:He wait now for his first child to born, in 3 months, as he said in the press conference post-land. Two babies in 3 months, what an ultimate father dream !:cheers:I'm building a summary, a review of the landing, actually it renders the video.\n\nNo, he's awaiting his --second-- child in 3 --weeks-- not months.And his wife was in a nearby building ... you know, in case...;)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6353792Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T21:24:49+0100", "id": "e460bc38f5e3400ab2a2052d25803db7", "post_id": "post-220562", "text": "Good, another person to sit on Mars for a few months.:p", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.578475008Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-07-02T19:34:32+0100", "id": "d3d15b0a55a726aad3b3888a34d191f4", "post_id": "post-220155", "text": "Again, you just read a title without reading what the article was about.\n\nExcept... I did read the article. :shifty:I could say the new year starts on my birthday. That doesn't mean it's valid.\n\nYou could always invent a new calender with your birthday as the first day of the year.;)", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.038795264Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2014-02-03T10:50:10+0000", "id": "8ed637ab4d325c7d67c564c99ff60aa4", "post_id": "post-252151", "text": "Keatah said:Sure, they could have made them far more durable for minimal weight increase.\n\nEngineers are engineers, not magicians. They didn't know about the trouble with the wheels until it happened on Mars. That rover went through a year-long process and turned out with this wheels, because they thought they would be appropiate for the task at hand.And besides: With the new sky crane I wouldn't be so sure if \"minimal weight increase\" is as unproblematic as you make it seem. I'm sure they had a lot of situations where they were like \"Can't we make therovr 50 kilograms lighter? What about 30? Come on, this would really help, 10?\"", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.636993536Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-20T00:36:46+0100", "id": "63e6378a6a6f14e38cbbc044b6f14cb7", "post_id": "post-220918", "text": "Um OK I think I might of ran into a bit of a snag...Giving it a rundown, I saw that the Nerva is so large, it would need its own independent launch. I realized a few things; Nerva has enough thrust to take off Earth on its own no problem, but it doesn't look like it is really the flyable type. (meaning we might need to put fairings around it or something.Just trying I put it on top of a Ariane5 (because it is just strong enough to get it into space, but not into orbit by a long shot.) .. it doesn't fit quite well...So that kindof leaves the only option of having the Nerva as its own SSTO rocket and we will add fairings on the side to make it protected and look flyable in a atmosphere... or we make another engine like this though capable of being stored in some HLV.Think that is really capable of getting there, or are we getting a tish futuristic again?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.61469952Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-07T16:05:41+0100", "id": "f7bb3b03507048ec6f2d021b6539d17c", "post_id": "post-220734", "text": "cymrych said:Of course, use of such a single stage to Mars craft may be seen as a tad too futuristic, even with a flight time in the early 22nd century.\n\nActually, it looks like it will be at least two stages.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.543741696Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-09-02T12:15:56+0100", "id": "a3a610f25bd4ac732fd952c2bb05811b", "post_id": "post-252864", "text": "N_Molson said:Done in 6902680\n\ntl8 said:Only really slowed down at Level 8...Done in 2475450\n\nReally slowed down? It does in 2-6 seconds what CPU does in about 30 minutes, don't forget.:)", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.640067072Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-20T14:31:59+0100", "id": "a8534d1201cc9a87cd700b1f1f57be21", "post_id": "post-220945", "text": "dougkeenan said:Is that DLL in the NERVA2.ZIP package?\n\nNo, it's right here.Artlav posted it a while back, but no one really wants to go back there and find it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.628636928Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-14T06:50:06+0100", "id": "41f93547574df0ab9019dbdc9f42fcda", "post_id": "post-220861", "text": "What are the modules going to be made of?(Theoretically.) Perhaps we can save a lot of weight and subsequently fuel costs and Mission times by using a sort of UCGO inflatable station building mod. Somewhat like building a air base but instead with the stack.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.6750208Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-07-31T13:21:31+0100", "id": "c00f6dcb98c85552699693b5e661a18a", "post_id": "post-69109", "text": "GLS said:Yeah, I think that won't be hard to make, create a little thruster and make a wacky function to control it... I could do it as a sort of test for the MPS dumps!;)\n\nWell, if the MPS dump of the Shuttle looks even only slightly similar, it will be impressive.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.814562304Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-04-26T12:42:16+0100", "id": "d903cec341ab1a58056497d3c7cd9cef", "post_id": "post-219330", "text": "Interesting timing as it seems SETI want to try a different approach and start really looking for signs of stellar engineering instead of radio waves. The team has said that Earth is growing ever more silent due to technology improvements such as frequency shift spectrum and fibre optics and this would appear to be a natural technological progression.http:\/\/www.centauri-dreams.org\/?p=12153", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.873637632Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-06T06:35:19+0100", "id": "8cfdb56189b3033e2a06e9dbdbb84099", "post_id": "post-251609", "text": "We've got thumbnails, 64 x 64 pixels. Wheels are down.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.824499712Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-01T15:32:37+0100", "id": "5d5cad19031f519ff0533ea17d75f530", "post_id": "post-219432", "text": "Enjo said:Sorry for offtopic and bumping in the same thread, but just for historical correctness - my father and grandfather told me that the Soviets also borrowed some brainpower back then.\n\nYes, there was a humorous line in the movieThe Right Stuffin which Vice President Lyndon Johnson complains about the early Soviet lead in the space race, saying, \"I thought you told me our German rocket scientists are better than their's?\":lol:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.87442304Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-08-06T06:37:23+0100", "id": "9f1a948b06880c0875139ab506512b3b", "post_id": "post-251615", "text": "I am very happy for the people of JPL and NASA. They achieved a great feat.Congratulations!!!!!:cheers:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.45359232Z", "author": "pete.dakota", "date": "2008-05-11T12:55:03+0100", "id": "18ee9d667906cc9b78d98d5b0611d2cc", "post_id": "post-65211", "text": "If your target vessel has an XPDR frequency then dockingMFD will show you your speed relative to it, and distance. Certain addons, such as the DGIV and AMSO, have nul rel speed autopilots. As for an MFD, I believe that there was an addon one that came with (or was suggested by) the old Shuttle Fleet called something like rendezvousMFD that I think had a station keeping AP.", "thread_id": 1406 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.146514176Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-27T11:54:15+0100", "id": "a87ec9cef944698520b5ded5f5462f69", "post_id": "post-219650", "text": "Sar said:I just laughed at the name, they could've used a bit of imagination:D\"European Extremely large telescope\" Now I'm just waiting E-BMR \"European big mars rocket\"\n\nComes right after the launch of the VLMMLV - The Very Large Mars&Moon Launch Vehicle.---------- Post added at 12:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:52 PM ----------tblaxland said:A picture says a thousand words:\n\nWhat a nice example of Victorian Plumbing. Looks almost steampunk.", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.527608576Z", "author": "dre120v", "date": "2010-05-02T20:17:53+0100", "id": "0a2a5b52836d29a04390ec62f91312df", "post_id": "post-220063", "text": "What about sending down Soyuz (with a few crew members)that is attached to the ISS(if it is in this scenerio) and sending up fuel with the next automated soyuz craft?", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.763986432Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-23T21:59:13+0100", "id": "b443786938673e67c2d52a18e6686c62", "post_id": "post-251417", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:When will we see Curiosity's first images?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.578646784Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-07-02T19:41:51+0100", "id": "1c0f5962ac9384eb5a788fadf6e2df2c", "post_id": "post-220156", "text": "RGClark said:Again, you just read a title without reading what the article was about.\n\nActually, your posts have been soo repetitive, that it doesn't really require reading all of it. The first and the last paragraph are good enough.But seriously: Maybe you didn't realize it yet, but you are already talking to yourself there, because most wiser people already went while shaking their heads. The few answers here are done by people who have yet to reach wisdom (I count myself to them), who still hope that you will one day learn the scientific method and be open for arguments instead of using your own \"big dumb booster\" solution of using quantity of your posts over quality.Get a blog for this, A forum is a place for discussion and the dis- in discussion requires more than one person taking part, so the positions can be apart.That you quote yourself, is also just a sign of helplessness, not of a discussion - you discuss only with yourself while agreeing with you. Which isn't a discussion, but actually talking to you.A wiki would maybe be even much better, since you can then edit your data-free claims. And even better: Others could fill the gaps in your argumentation with something better than \"something magical happens here\". But please - stay away from OrbiterWiki then. Use Wikipedia, there the moderators are much more patient with you than I will ever be.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555091456Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2012-01-02T18:33:39+0000", "id": "78d552e2b21f01189b4e2becb99ca0e4", "post_id": "post-220304", "text": "T.Neo said:How is it possible to mathematically figure out if a vehicle could be more or less stable throughout reentry and landing? I think this is what is needed here...\n\nOh it's possible, but I don't see anyone busting out 3D vector calculus on this thread. :lol:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.037784832Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2013-11-26T19:14:59+0000", "id": "62e7b7b8d3189830dbe2686d29ebb7e8", "post_id": "post-252143", "text": "OK, so it's more the RTG (rather its heat to electricity conversion devices) that is a bit capricious... If it happens only from time to time and the voltage can be reverted to its initial level, that's not too nasty, provided the components are designed to handle the stress (and it seems it's the case).", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.582181632Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-23T05:13:56+0100", "id": "941237676b553d4e826c9e3eab311d18", "post_id": "post-220200", "text": "RGClark said:On the Space Flight news subforum it was discussed that Sierra Nevada is developing the Dream Chaser spacecraft based on the HL-20:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/topics\/technology\/features\/hl20-recognition.htmlhttp:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/centers\/langley\/news\/factsheets\/HL-20.htmlDream Chaser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe HL-20 was stated as having a mass of 9,979 kg while the Dream Chaser is listed as having a mass of 9,000 kg. The Dream Chaser is to be of largely composite design. Composite design allows a rocket to have SSTO performance if it is of sufficient size.Anyone know if that mass of 9,000 kg is the dry mass or gross mass of the Dream Chaser, meaning containing propellant? If it is the dry mass as I'm assuming it is, then filling the entire internal volume with dense, hydrocarbon, propellant would allow you to get a high Mach suborbital vehicle. And scaling it up twice would allow you to get a fully orbital vehicle as is the case with the X-37B.\n\nThis page has some dimensions of the HL-20:HL-20 Spaceplane Simulation.http:\/\/www.aerorocket.com\/AeroWindTunnel\/IntroToAeroWindTunnel.htmlWe can calculate the volume of some cross-sectional slices from the x,y, and z dimensions given along the length of the vehicle. Adding these together I estimate an internal volume of 46 m^3.However, there is a raised central portion where the passenger compartment will be that tends to cause an overestimate of the volume. On the other hand the surface is convex that tends to cause an under estimate of the volume using the flat cross-sectional slices. So I'll take the volume as the 46 m^3. The density of kerolox is about 1,000 kg\/m^3, so we have about 46,000 kg propellant.The Dream Chaser version has a dry mass of 9,000 kg using hybrid engine(s). We want to swap out these for high efficiency liquid fueled engines. To estimate the mass of the hybrid(s) used on the Dream Chaser, we'll use the information on the SpaceShipOne hybrid engine:SpaceDev Hybrid.http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20080602055644\/http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/spaybrid.htmThe mass is estimated as 300 kg. The dry mass of the Dream Chaser is about 9 times that of the SpaceShipOne, so we'll estimate its engines mass as 9 times higher at 2,700 kg. So the mass of the Dream Chaser with the hybrids removed will be 6,300 kg.The total mass of the engine less vehicle is now 46,000 + 6,300 kg = 52,300 kg. We need tanks to hold the propellant mass. The mass of kerolox propellant tanks is typically about 1\/100th that of the propellant. However, with composites we can reduce that to about half that. Call the extra tankage mass 300 kg. This brings the total mass to 52,600 kg.We need kerosene engines to loft this mass. The engine I suggest using is the RD-0242-HC [1]. This is a kerosene fueled version of a hypergolic engine. There have been cases where hydrocarbon versions were derived from hypergolic fueled engines so this should be doable [2].What is the performance we can expect from this engine as hydrocarbon fueled? From the high chamber pressure we can conclude this is a high performance engine. Such Russian engines with vacuum optimized nozzles have gotten in the range of 360 s vacuum Isp. This engine though is listed on the Astronautix site as only having an Isp of 312 s. However, this was for its use as a first stage engine, so this is undoubtedly for a version with a nozzle of intermediate length to be used both at sea level and vacuum. As a point of comparison the Merlin 1C [3] engine used for first stages has a vacuum Isp of 304 s. But the vacuum optimized version which only has a longer nozzle has a vacuum Isp of 342 s.I've also been informed by email that simulations of the RD-0242-HC engine using the engine performance program Propep [4] gave it an Isp in the 370's with a vacuum optimized nozzle. Therefore using altitude compensation I'll take the vacuum Isp as 360 s. For the sea level Isp I'll take the Isp as the 331 s sea level Isp of other high performance Russian engines optimized for sea level use, this time coming though from using altitude compensation.The increased Isp gives it an increased thrust amounting to about 29,800 lbs at sea level, and 32,400 lbs. in vacuum.The 52,600 kg mass of the engine-less vehicle is 115,720 lbs. We'll need five of the engines to lift off and have sufficient T\/W ratio to not incur too great a gravity loss. At an engine mass of 120 kg, this gives the vehicle a gross mass of 53,200 kg and a dry mass of 7,200 kg.For the trajectory averaged Isp use the estimate of 338.3 s for high performance kerosene engines using altitude compensation of Dr. Bruce Dunn in his report [5]. Then our delta-V will be 338.3*9.8ln(53,200\/7,200) = 6,630 m\/s, around Mach 20.Then as with the X-37B scaling up a high Mach capable suborbital craft by a factor of 2 will result in a fully orbit capable craft.The payload could be carried in a cannister above the vehicle. Or you could have a small crew capsule within it so as not to take up to much volume from the propellant. Actually this was the original design of the Russian Spiral spacecraft on which the HL-20 was based:Design of the Spiral Orbiterhttp:\/\/www.russianspaceweb.com\/spiral_orbiter_design.htmlBob ClarkREFERENCES.1.)RD-0242-HC.http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090503093919\/http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/rd0242.htm#RD-0242-HC2.)NASA's Apollo lunar module ascent engine roars again.By Rob CoppingerDATE:25\/07\/08SOURCE: Flight Internationalhttp:\/\/www.flightglobal.com\/article...o-lunar-module-ascent-engine-roars-again.html3.)Merlin 1C.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Merlin_(rocket_engine)#Merlin_1C4.)Propephttp:\/\/www.spl.ch\/software\/index.html5.)Alternate Propellants for SSTO Launchers.Dr. Bruce DunnAdapted from a Presentation at:Space Access 96Phoenix ArizonaApril 25 - 27, 1996http:\/\/www.dunnspace.com\/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm---------- Post added 07-23-11 at 04:13 AM ---------- Previous post was 07-22-11 at 05:52 PM ----------The point of the matter is that the many small spacecraft and suborbital craft of lightweight composite design become high Mach suborbital, a la the X-33, when switched to using high efficiency engines. And moreover if they are scaled up by a factor of 2, then the larger versions become fully orbital vehicles.This is also true of the X-34 and SpaceShipOne: they become high Mach suborbital, as a single stage, when switched to high efficiency engines. And when scaled up twice as large with the high efficiency engines, they become now fully orbital single stage vehicles.The case of SpaceShipOne is especially interesting because the twice scaled up vehicle is already built in SpaceShipTwo. Then swapping out the hybrid engines of SpaceShipTwo for high efficiency liquid fueled engines produces a SSTO.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6583488Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T23:00:07+0100", "id": "d64fdff82a17e45daad92bbfbd3aa483", "post_id": "post-220581", "text": "dgatsoulis said:Mars is the next step, but we need a time-table.Instead of building just a couple of bases on Mars and a Martian space station, how's this for an idea? Terraform Mars.Orbiter Martian Terraforming Project (OMTP)Here is a \"crappy\" timetable (any ideas or suggestions are welcome)1. Detonate high-yield conventional bombs on the Martian poles to start the melting process. (I'm not using nuclear because of the radiation)1b.Begin the construction of a Martian monitoring system with satellites and a space station to monitor the process.1c. Divide the Martian surface into quadrants and send over algae (a certain amount at each quadrant) to start the Oxygen build up. (This can be done simultaneously with the bombs and the monitoring system. We can start from the equator and work our way up and down.)2. (just an idea) A 10 MT (or less?) explosion inside the crater of Mount Olympus could wake up that sleeping giant, no?All that CO2 that would be realised from the volcano would be precious for the algae. (unless the explosion blocks the sunlight, which is bad.)Also start making Bases on Mars3.Once enough oxygen exists in the atmosphere: Switch to a Mars 1.5 scenario where enough oxygen in the atmosphere exists to allow plants to live. (different atmospheric parameters for Mars through a config file. See Mars fist steps or the Blue Mars addon)Send plants (a certain amount at each quadrant) to speed up the process.4.In a similar way that the GDIMiner addon works, build super-drills (with \"local\" material) to drill as close as possible to the Martian core and detonate nuclear bombs to \"recandle\" Mars' magnetic field. (Because all that \"atmosphere build-up\" process would just go to waste in a few years -or less- without a magnetic field to shield us from the Sun.)5. Finally, Mars with an atmosphere similar to Earth's and a magnetic field to keep the radiation out. (switching to a Mars 2.0 config file). Colonization is possible. The first ships are ready to go.Another idea: Phobos and Deimos could be exploited for minerals, which could be send down to Mars.\n\nGood idea, but first I think we need to think about getting there.:thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.472478464Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-09-01T11:50:49+0100", "id": "a956482318d3c11305b03ea68c201642", "post_id": "post-252629", "text": "Hispa said:I suppose a hard russian guy will not have any problem with Barcelona and Tarragona temperatures.;)\n\nPerhaps he is, but he has also got a little daughter who is not that hard yet :lol: and enjoys when it's sunny and warm at a seaside.Hispa said:And, what can I say about Barcelona? It's plenty of interesting sites to visit. I propose you to hire a guided visit if you're going to stay in a hotel. It's cheap and worth the money you're going to pay.\n\nThanks, I'll consider such an option. There is a large museum of Spanish navy history in Barcelona, isn't it?", "thread_id": 16316 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.618333696Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-09T22:29:12+0100", "id": "02d16108478a1067992c105ff5b6231d", "post_id": "post-220770", "text": "Columbia42 said:Awesome ship! How exactly will the shuttles land on Mars without a runway? Are you planning on installing parachutes, hover thrusters, and landing gear?\n\nUnless the landing factor as Columbia said is fixed, or thetaking offfactor, (reassembly of space shuttles) is called for, them maybe it would be better to use XR2\/DGIV in shuttles place?If we build this thing, make sure the parts are separated as well, so that they are constructable in space.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.822464768Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-04-28T21:20:32+0100", "id": "44f44e6b87b431d09a908c8869c32494", "post_id": "post-219410", "text": "I kind of disagree with him. I don't believe aliens would actively target earth. Mass murder is not something any sentient species takes lightly and needless when there is massive resources at the outer parts of the solar system.The big question of course is if they really do need the power of an entire star to FTL. That might get us in a bad spot.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.509595392Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-09-01T20:34:49+0100", "id": "fba6a81e21ecf746e9af141e9225bd14", "post_id": "post-252733", "text": "Tested with new version, edited my earlier post with results. Didn't realize how active this thread would be!", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.448211456Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-04-30T17:48:54+0100", "id": "ef6861915ea1f1c70d70934ba6a6d070", "post_id": "post-219876", "text": "garyw said:My only thought as I read this - Such a shame that this is discovered just after the return to the moon is cancelled. It proves that we haven't \"done the moon\", it's still a very interesting, complex and unknown place worthy of more study.\n\nIts not canceled yet congress\/senate\/whoever passes it hasn't passed that budget yet", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.14128384Z", "author": "David413", "date": "2010-04-27T21:51:10+0100", "id": "aeb77fcb2f31f15c6174ddfa4f465356", "post_id": "post-219635", "text": "The STS Expansion Pack includes tutorials for both the TORVA and TORRA. You will need to install the Shuttle Fleet, ISS Fleet, and the Expansion Pack (and please read the Expansion Pack setup document as it details additional third-party add-ons needed to run all of the Expansion Pack scenarios.).", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.532167936Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2008-05-27T16:37:56+0100", "id": "c53efe014139ef37c91246eacb4a2edd", "post_id": "post-69064", "text": "I believe the SSU is aiming for this in the long run...", "thread_id": 1633 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.517681408Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-01T07:30:06+0100", "id": "e58f6f6b6149aab2ac06fd45f2bcceee", "post_id": "post-220041", "text": "Arrowstar said:Not a chance it'd actually fly in any meaningful way without significantly larger wings more properly designed for this type of flight regime. I think flying on this would be a one way ticket out of this world, as it were.:)\n\nEjection seat and a parachute--Top Gear has already fitted cars with ejection seats in the past, so that seems perfectly doable to me.", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.565206016Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2013-02-15T06:36:45+0000", "id": "65a291e51930dc858f4c4de5aff0ae46", "post_id": "post-220428", "text": "Nice article here:New Mexico space museum volunteers restoring DC-X for exhibit.by TopSpacer on February 13, 2013 at 3:01 amhttp:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=591#comment-7550Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.039984384Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2014-02-11T05:42:58+0000", "id": "41674cd74fcf1f88301e1b51463b596c", "post_id": "post-252164", "text": "Donamy said:Could it have happened on landing ?\n\nIf you're talking about the wheels: No. They are doing dozens of photos every day so they can keep track of the wheels quite well. The landing and the forces acting on the wheels might be a contributing factor there but the landing alone? Nope.Example picture from Sol 34:Dusty but no punctures.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.669429248Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T21:46:58+0100", "id": "d9787a867fc21459241742b16e600fca", "post_id": "post-220686", "text": "Pegasus was pretty fast and...so is our ship? :lol:You're right: there's no relation. But how was Apollo related to the Moon?Here's an idea: once we have a launch date we can see which constellation Mars will appear in when the stack leaves for it. A really complicated way of random selection.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.64929536Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-06-10T08:10:37+0100", "id": "286b1c76e24d069f63567e1f883cdee0", "post_id": "post-221023", "text": "If someone can run some numbers for me. please. Lets say on approach to Mars. Say a few hours before the Insertion burn We eject the Landing Moduals from teh Stack. Thus when teh Stack does its burn It will have slightly less fuel it needs to burn to Orbit.How much fuel could we save and more importantly how accuratly can we land the crew on Mars? By Orbiting Just the stack and fuel for the lander to get back?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.500402688Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-09-01T20:13:14+0100", "id": "c25588298372d686415d6fae7c2ed60f", "post_id": "post-252701", "text": "well, i didn't say it was safe, i just said it's -convenient-:pi too wouldn't put my nuclear launch codes there...though, i never had any problems of that sort and they do say it runs on some secure transfer protocol which's name evades my memory...:rolleyes:and anyways... it's not like i have anything to hide - hackers would find my data pretty uninteresting, as most of my cool stuff i have released as open-source :lol:it's not a privacy breech unless you have your \"privates\" up for display", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.579335936Z", "author": "C3PO", "date": "2011-07-04T18:38:07+0100", "id": "ef7070a8b89a16c9474412b3456a4058", "post_id": "post-220166", "text": "Urwumpe said:Can you explain how you arrive at this conclusion?(PS: I know what you are likely to say, so I warn you, I am aware of the big text bubble with \"something magical happens here\")\n\n:cheers:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663510272Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-04T16:19:51+0100", "id": "f28fd80b16c95d00c4ff25b75f940014", "post_id": "post-220633", "text": "I would just use the fact that the heavy masses (crew module, NERVA) are at the ends of the vessel and spin it in pitch or yaw plane for artificial gravity...The landers would then be better put right behind the bridge, the the empty tanks are in the middle...and the rotation axis is pointed at Earth.And the next time you plan to kick me out of the airlock, check command history of the onboard computer. There is a \"SCHEDULE ECLSS_SHTDN PRIORITY 200 IN 600\" waiting for you.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.755948544Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2012-03-20T09:46:14+0000", "id": "f89e8f7a27d5a51361380cefd97d3fdb", "post_id": "post-251353", "text": "The Challenges of Getting to Mars: The Cruise to Mars", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664570368Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-05-04T21:18:52+0100", "id": "4c3468aa3f39006a1e293aa0d8358130", "post_id": "post-220643", "text": "Well I've got the code for my GDI miner and ore mill, either of these could be adapted to generate a fuel cargo instead. Either fuel from \"thin air\" like the miner producing rock or can require an input cargo like the mill in order to produce fuel cargo.Or we could just make a Ucgo station that produces fuel to refuel ships directly.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.314347264Z", "author": "The Aviator", "date": "2010-04-28T13:40:20+0100", "id": "13cb24fe8448ef8e7aea1208cb5a780d", "post_id": "post-219766", "text": "orb said:This could be because of Mobile version of graphics card (at least 2 cases have M in model name), or because of low models of the cards. Problems were reported with GF 210M, 220, and 320M, so at the low part of these series.\n\nI don't know if it could be because of Mobile version. My old GPU was a mobile model too, an NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT, 512Mb. Didn't gave me any problems. I used to run Orbiter with a lot of addons, 1680x1050 resolution, without VistaBoost and with V-sync enabled. More, it was a Vista 32 bit OS.With these specs I got 30 - 50 fps.Isn't my current configuration supposed to be better than the former one? :idk:", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.92350464Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:53:21+0100", "id": "a8fbae4ae5db0fdfe473c9c7e85f3339", "post_id": "post-251642", "text": "what was the touchdown velocity? I missed it..", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.634117376Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T20:49:47+0100", "id": "3a77c1bcefdb17c20eb93ac93542f4ad", "post_id": "post-220554", "text": "For a landing site how about near Valles Marineris.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.477763584Z", "author": "Spike Spiegel", "date": "2010-04-29T23:08:08+0100", "id": "30343492d818c2a9d9e239260df4e01b", "post_id": "post-219937", "text": "The power supply in your emachines PC appears to be a standard size, so you should be able to find a replacement no problem. Here's a list for you to start with.http:\/\/www.newegg.com\/Product\/Produ...58 113142556&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20I'd pick one with a low price and good ratings, with a high number of ratings. For example, this one:http:\/\/www.newegg.com\/Product\/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170017So as long as you have the proper slot in your board for that new video card you should be all good.", "thread_id": 14064 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.93566208Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2012-08-06T17:30:29+0100", "id": "480d44539883334aa047afe4f3cf7079", "post_id": "post-251712", "text": "Don't they use hydrazine as fuel? That thing ignites no matter what. If it's in the hypergolic form, and the components come into contact, there should be an explosion that would disperse the rest of the propellant. If it's the monopropellant thing, it only burns as long as it's in contact with the catalyst elements.Either way, we're lucky there are no intelligent lifeforms on Mars or they'd beveryangry right now...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.0860992Z", "author": "Aeadar", "date": "2011-05-08T18:51:30+0100", "id": "1c685fe2fa7a614602810d8f03f83338", "post_id": "post-219556", "text": "I recently DLed Paint.net and GIMP, for the purposes of better editing of my screenshots and learning to do skins. But yesterday I decided to try and see what I could do with some of my older, non-Orbiter photos and came up with these:...I wasn't really sure where to post them so I thought I'd resurrect Andy44s thread since there are some amazing photos there that deserve to be seen. Although only one of these is from film, andbothhave been through the editor, Andy44didsay,\"whatever you think is cool goes here.\" in the first post.Not intended as a necropost, just thought that this thread was appropriate.Hope ya like them.:)", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.571725056Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2013-11-20T20:25:15+0000", "id": "63e3239b656372d5f11dbdec06fb9d09", "post_id": "post-220476", "text": "Urwumpe said:No, I just learned the concept as: Before you improve something, you should know it - and know what you want to achieve by improving it.While components of the Falcon 9 1.1 are the same, many major assemblies had been changed, also the flight dynamics. Ground operations have also changed, if you look at the changes to the launch complex to accommody the Falcon Heavy as well.\n\nSo how many falcon 9 flights would you consider reasonable before allowing development to continue. 5? 50? 5000? The problem with the attitude that \"nothing must ever be flown that has not already been proven\" is that nothing new ever gets flown, and that nothing is ever proven. All you do is end up sinking large amounts of time and money into inferior hardware and procedures, or in the case of NASA not doing them at all, while this is perfectly reasonable way to minimize risk when working a \"cost plus\" style contract it is actively detrimental in all other cases.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.988741888Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-21T10:49:30+0100", "id": "b69001ed374a3bdf169623708f3eb80f", "post_id": "post-251843", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Curiosity Stretches its ArmAugust 20, 2012Mars Science Laboratory Mission Status ReportPASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars rover Curiosity flexed its robotic arm today for the first time since before launch in November 2011.The 7-foot-long (2.1-meter-long) arm maneuvers a turret of tools including a camera, a drill, a spectrometer, a scoop and mechanisms for sieving and portioning samples of powdered rock and soil.\"We have had to sit tight for the first two weeks since landing, while other parts of the rover were checked out, so to see the arm extended in these images is a huge moment for us,\" said Matt Robinson of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, lead engineer for Curiosity's robotic arm testing and operations. \"The arm is how we are going to get samples into the laboratory instruments and how we place other instruments onto surface targets.\"Click on image for details\u200bNASA's Mars rover Curiosity extended its robotic arm on Aug. 20, 2012, for the first time on Mars and used its Navigation Camera (Navcam) to capture this view of the extended arm.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bWeeks of testing and calibrating arm movements are ahead before the arm delivers a first sample of Martian soil to instruments inside the rover. Monday's maneuver checked motors and joints by unstowing the arm for the first time, extending it forward using all five joints, then stowing it again in preparation for the rover's first drive.\"It worked just as we planned,\" said JPL's Louise Jandura, sample system chief engineer for Curiosity. \"From telemetry and from the images received this morning, we can confirm that the arm went to the positions we commanded it to go to.\"The image of Curiosity's arm is online at:http:\/\/1.usa.gov\/OSyG3B.The turret has a mass of about 66 pounds (30 kilograms). Its diameter, including the tools mounted on it, is nearly 2 feet (60 centimeters).\"We'll start using our sampling system in the weeks ahead, and we're getting ready to try our first drive later this week,\" said Mars Science Laboratory Deputy Project Manager Richard Cook of JPL.{...}CBS News Space:Curiosity rover flexes robot arm for first timeSPACE.com:Mars Rover Curiosity Flexes Robotic Arm for 1st TimeAviation Week:Photo: Curiosity's Arm (from Mars)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.54911104Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-05-01T20:54:04+0100", "id": "2ba2043668bb1b521852d93e09097473", "post_id": "post-220078", "text": "What if you drop engines to cut down extra mass and also to limit acceleration? IIRC there was a version of Alas rocket in the sixties which only droppped two engines but otherwise reached orbit like SSTO on a single stage. When considering expandable SSTO's there is no reason to bring all engines to orbit.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.61611392Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-08T13:05:27+0100", "id": "2c55c5dbc92ed683de67d3ab3ab941df", "post_id": "post-220749", "text": "I vote Bj as the project manager.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.034874112Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-11-09T19:56:23+0000", "id": "ad327dc18fa0897249e61f3a8ce62b18", "post_id": "post-252118", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Curiosity Performs Warm ResetNovember 08, 2013Mars Science Laboratory Mission Status ReportNASA's Mars rover Curiosity experienced an unexpected software reboot (also known as a warm reset) yesterday (11\/7\/13) during a communications pass as it was sending engineering and science data to the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, for later downlinking to Earth. This computer reset occurred about four-and-half hours after new flight software had been temporarily loaded into the rover's memory. At the time the event occurred, Curiosity was in the middle of a scheduled, week-long flight software update and checkout activity.\"Telemetry later downlinked from the rover indicates the warm reset was performed as would be expected in response to an unanticipated event,\" said Jim Erickson, project manager for the Mars Science Laboratory mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.A warm reset is executed by flight software when it identifies a problem with one of its operations. The reset restarts the flight software into its initial state. Since the reset, the rover has been performing operations and communications as expected. The team is currently working toward understanding the cause of the reset and returning the rover to normal operations. This is the first time that Curiosity has executed a fault-related warm reset during its 16-plus months of Mars surface operations.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.090010112Z", "author": "Scav", "date": "2013-12-17T04:32:37+0000", "id": "e6882ad93542c8b68922aee634be94dd", "post_id": "post-219588", "text": "Look at the mountain near the summit, I think.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.657892608Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T22:15:05+0100", "id": "767167ceb698df2fd8eeb6dc735fa5da", "post_id": "post-220575", "text": "Bj said::blackeye:?I didn't know they used glue to stick parts of rockets together, no wonder the SRBs break from the ET so easily.;)My meshing skills are near zip, if anyone would like to design a new vessel then that's ok with me too.\n\nOk, now who is going to fly that thing?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.009541632Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2012-11-21T13:50:49+0000", "id": "1b73975efe2f4e081bac4a27d2b6e79c", "post_id": "post-252006", "text": "My guess: Some more evidence of seasonal flowing water. But not actual life, past or present. NASA tends to overstate things to the point of hysteria these days.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.14587776Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-27T05:30:39+0100", "id": "ad94a31b6b73e550b952c3ee94b11746", "post_id": "post-219646", "text": "Will the mirror be movable at all?", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.14143104Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-04-29T02:27:08+0100", "id": "8fca5cc83a8641d417539ea8a47464c1", "post_id": "post-219636", "text": "I did that but their manuals are not complete I have reloaded them to verify that nothing went wrong during the loading part and the manuals are still not complete. I was wondering how you do it.", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.034958336Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-11-12T16:49:25+0000", "id": "fa8934c1b26bcb92835e9e93ef4fe8ac", "post_id": "post-252119", "text": "Universe Today:Go Mars-Digging Beside Curiosity In New Interactive Panorama", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.314403328Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-28T19:40:21+0100", "id": "9f2e2125a484893e42077457df830b3c", "post_id": "post-219767", "text": "Looks like a driver issue, but updated drivers aren't available for this card yet.According tothis thread, drivers for the GT320M should be available in May...", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.571550976Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2013-11-20T19:46:24+0000", "id": "abb2cc23ad967f029e382224ad53a249", "post_id": "post-220474", "text": "Urwumpe said:Not really - since the F9 1.1 is a major improvement, regardless what the minor version step 1.1 implies. There are huge differences between the two and there is simply little that was learned from the F9 in terms of operations. And the 1.1 might share the same fate.It is just appearing to me, as if SpaceX is changing their company strategy very quickly.\n\nI'm not convinced that this is the case.We are not talking about a car or airplane that will need standardized parts\/servicing over the course of their lifetime. For the moment at least, each rocket is a \"one-off\". As such, there is no legitimate reason to not apply operational and design lessons from the construction and flight of the first rocket into the second.The F9 and F9 1.1 share that same operational components and the same launch infrastructure, so don't see where your complaint is coming from. Are you seriously suggestion that whole concept of incremental development in aerospace is unsound? Because that is what it sounds like.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.152573696Z", "author": "Slice N Splice", "date": "2010-08-31T22:23:21+0100", "id": "e8e4baf26926599b1efd084552c9a89e", "post_id": "post-252301", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:You know; with just a bit of effort, anim8tor, gimp and multistage, you could make your own and upload it onto the 'hanger.IIRC there is even a parachute add-on that can be configured from an MFD. Although I'm going to have to look it up to see if it's really what you are looking for...Universal Parachute\n\nI could not remember all the steps and all that it takes to make my own stuff, thats out of the question.As well i never did like universal parachute. It is very unrealistic to me. It is just a little thing that doesn't even have any strings on it.Sorry, but those are out of the question.---------- Post added at 09:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:40 PM ----------Anybody else got a link to a addon with a parachute on it?", "thread_id": 16279 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.553271552Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-11-13T17:54:50+0000", "id": "895131aa1ed580ae6424f2b19e8aa817", "post_id": "post-220284", "text": "The mass of the entire external tank also is over 26,000 kg while the the 3 main engines mass about 10,000 kg.\n\nSorry, I misread and thought you meant \"hydrogen tank of the hydrogen fueled SSTO\".The STS ET is more massive than the engines on STS alone, but there is also the thrust structure to deal with. The mass of the engines and their thrust structure together could be closer to ~25 tons.But this comparison is misleading because the engines are smaller than they would need to be for a SSTO because most of the launch thrust is provided by the solid rocket boosters.\n\nGood point. You'd likely need six or more SSMEs to get adequate liftoff thrust, which would mean more mass in engines... and a heavier thrust structure as well.In that case, there is really nothing to gain by taking the extra SSMEs to orbit, it would be better to stage them off in an Atlas-esque manner.But it would still be a very ungainly launch vehicle. Probably similar performance to the EELV heavies, but more costly.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.579067904Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-07-03T11:46:22+0100", "id": "3cedf34c43a319e070a6cc4b13000db2", "post_id": "post-220162", "text": "RGClark said:I don't believe that.The calculation is on the high school level. And it is an interesting topic. The readers on this forum are very scientifically interested people.\n\nIf they are on the high school level... at which level of education did you stop, so that you are incapable of doing them yourself?Scientifically minded people will also not do the math for you. You calculate first, and they will check your calculations later, and point out the flaws and errors. It is always like that.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.477451264Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-01T20:10:57+0100", "id": "2efdea2e1576395e7fc0f10655c7a8d8", "post_id": "post-252644", "text": "Notebook said:If you have a system that is already making gaseous Nitrogen, why wouldn't you use it for the LOX tank?\n\nSaves weight for Nitrogen tanks.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.572656896Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2013-11-28T18:32:21+0000", "id": "2ae5bda3f2458e50ea1ad32159c26dac", "post_id": "post-220487", "text": "Hlynkacg said:I repeat,show your work.What are your masses for the stage and fuel. What allowances were made for maneuvering and contingencies. How does your thrust at sea-level compare to thrust in vacuum, what does your dynamic pressure curve look like? How heavy is your recovery equipment and landing reserve and what did you base that estimate? How much do your altitude compensating engines and their associated thrust structure weigh in comparison to the existing Merlins?Its easy to make a first order estimate and say that something should be possible. Making it actually work is much much harder.That and the assertion that the F9 first stage would be a more efficient launch vehicle than a complete F9 sounds suspiciously like homeopathic rocketry.\n\nJohn Schilling is not likely to reveal the calculations that go into his simulator as it is proprietary. I have suggested to him that he might allow users to input also the sea level thrust and Isp to get more accurate estimates, but he chose not to change his calculator.To see how efficient an SSTO can be, youhaveto use altitude compensation. I was surprised myself how high the payload got for the F9 v1.1 when you assume the first stage engines got the same vacuum Isp as the Merlin Vacuum. But the point is methods of altitude compensation that can work have been known for decades.What would be needed is for these altitude compensating additions to the engines be lightweight. However, recent research with high temperature ceramics suggest this is also now possible:Ceramic matrix composites make inroads in aerospace.Published on May 14th, 2013 | Edited by: Jim DestefaniOxide CMC exhaust ground test demonstrator consists of a 1.60-m diameter nozzle and 1.14-m diameter \u00d7 2.34-m conical centerbody with titanium end cap inspection portal. Credit: Steyer; IJACT.http:\/\/ceramics.org\/ceramic-tech-to...c-matrix-composites-make-inroads-in-aerospaceA More Efficient Jet Engine Is Made from Lighter Parts, Some 3-D PrintedComposite and 3-D-printed components will mean jet engines that use 15 percent less fuel.In the LEAP engine, the ceramic matrix composites will replace only some of the nickel alloy parts. But in the future, they could be used for more engine parts, further reducing losses from cooling. This change could also allow engines to run at higher temperatures, making it possible to get more thrust from a given amount of fuel. Furthermore, composites could make engines lighter\u2014parts made from these materials weigh one-third as much as the equivalent nickel alloy parts.http:\/\/www.technologyreview.com\/new...-is-made-from-lighter-parts-some-3-d-printed\/\n\nBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581954304Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-07-16T23:27:37+0100", "id": "8bed0cbe60b1b3c4cc5499883273b388", "post_id": "post-220198", "text": "Sustainer engine delivers almost no thrust at sea-level.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.241122048Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-27T19:23:17+0100", "id": "c5965557684b38161dd22a155147e1dd", "post_id": "post-219734", "text": "dougkeenan said:Good! Any procedure\/sample code to follow?\n\nYou can try making sense of that:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/inmfd.zipThat's what i made to draw the MFD's on the starship Hius's hull:", "thread_id": 14034 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.501247488Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-09-01T22:37:52+0100", "id": "a2531cec40ddad06bb5e68216ea5316e", "post_id": "post-252711", "text": "Face said:I understand what you say, but it is important to point out that Dropbox is nowhere near a version control system.\n\nit's not supposed to be :thumbup: - that's the whole point... it's just quick 'n simple file sharing without any hassle... sometimes, just what a project needs...but true - i learned it the hard way during my college graduation project that DropBox is NOT a version control tool by ANY means, and using it as such is prone to invite certain disaster :lol: - trust me, i would know :uhh:in turn... it did save my skin a couple of times when stupid awake-for-way-too-long mistakes result in the going away of several critical files or other events of similar nature... while it syncs automatically, it also does versioned backups EVERY TIME you hit ctrl+s (needless to say, this can be a real life-saver)there's really no tool that can keep you safe from yourself, you know... specially after that 30th waking hour :facepalm:", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.824266496Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-29T23:11:33+0100", "id": "a4b78cdeb19a3c01316545a1e2edc376", "post_id": "post-219429", "text": "But why? What do we, or an alien society less advanced than ourselves, have to offer? This isn't the Wild West, it's space.The only viable way to make it happen would probably be a mcguffin (like Avatar's unobtainium). And even in fiction, it doesn't make sense.\n\nAs far as humans are concerned, the sole prospect of something to be gained is enough. That something doesn't even have to be found on their world itself. It might be a welcome distraction for domestic problems. If there is population pressure, there WILL be war, no matter how far advanced a society (at least where humans are concerned, where the rule that the IQ of a mass is that of its dumbest member divided by two applies without mercy). If kicking some aliens but is the only way of a gouvernement to satisfy a raging mob at home that isn't really interested in any plausible facts, they'll do it.It might happen the other way around, also.Now, I don't want to be overly pessimistic here. Unless there pops up a reason for one of the two to step into closer relations than just stretching of their fingers in a fancy way, things would probably go smoothely. As soon as there is envy, greed or fear involved, things go to hell. At least as far as humans are concerned. And they get afraid awfully fast. Or can be made afraid awfully fast, should anyone have an interest in it.I guess my point is, if their psychology works anything like ours, we're screwed...", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.295074048Z", "author": "The Aviator", "date": "2010-04-27T21:59:32+0100", "id": "9c7eddaf9e2f09e9385144f2876e6cfa", "post_id": "post-219756", "text": "Hello all.Here is my problem. After my old laptop said me goodbye a week ago, I bought a new one. At first, I downloaded all the latest drivers and OS updates. Then, downloaded Orbiter 2006-P1 base package and launched it to see if everything was working well. The scenario was \"Cape Canaveral\" in the stock Delta Glider folder. Seconds after I faced a nightmare: internal view, 2D panel all messed up and 7fps. Switching to the 3D panel didn't worked: the panel was ok, but I got only 10 fps as peak performance. Swithing to the glass cockpit mode shot down my fps to 2 to 4. I switched to external view: same problem. Noticed also the black sky problem, resolved installing the missing dll.Tried to disable v-sync and to lower resolution: nothing to do.Now my question is: it isn't strange that with an old generation 512 Mb card I got up to 50 fps, and with a new 1Gb card I get this mess?Any ideas on how to solve this problem?I hope someone can help me... I miss Orbiter!:cry:Here are my specs:Asus K50ID seriesCPU: Intel Core 2 Duo T6670; RAM: 4GbGPU: nVidia GeForce GT 320M; VRAM: 1GbOS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.980426752Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-08T22:39:07+0100", "id": "2e53b1362bef6f6a676f2e184ad4ec5b", "post_id": "post-251781", "text": "Can't ever have enough pictures of a martian mountain:More heat shield:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.079361792Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2010-07-12T08:03:50+0100", "id": "d212bbd7b814f7354bc0d1cec9d27ceb", "post_id": "post-219519", "text": "george7378 said:There are some fantastic photography methods here - my personal 'cool' favourites are time-lapse films or long-exposure shots (satellite passes, star trails, car lights on roads, etc...). I am not a creative photographer (yet), but I have got some photos of some weird things, such as the recent noctilucent clouds.Here is a site I like with some fantastic space time-lapses:http:\/\/www.spacelapse.net\/http:\/\/www.spacelapse.net\/en\/Milkyw...lescopes_Roque_de_los_Muchachos_La_Palma.html\n\nSomeone say time lapse?:phttp:\/\/tinyurl.com\/2amjolwhttp:\/\/tinyurl.com\/28t4hx6http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/2fu44zp(All are YouTube videos, I made these months ago.)There's not enough visible stars at night here to do a time-lapse during night, which I wanted to do back then. I can't really do much more than that since I'd rather my camera not get stolen being left off the property.From my first attempt with a \"studio\" set-up 6 days ago:http:\/\/unstung.deviantart.com\/art\/The-Weight-170241768Gonna do more with that, but I need a prop or two for the mannequin.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.477875968Z", "author": "zeldafan156", "date": "2010-04-29T23:58:29+0100", "id": "64a487d2a4a6505f9c384bae5b47d461", "post_id": "post-219938", "text": "The power supply in your emachines PC appears to be a standard size\n\nso what about the one in the list i put on my post? is it good?", "thread_id": 14064 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.169578496Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-30T22:17:01+0100", "id": "e66171c0fe22a17802ff0d30998b3eec", "post_id": "post-252321", "text": "because they're awfully expensive? :lol:", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.64867712Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-09T02:43:19+0100", "id": "a82bb3ffcdaa44cfc2655e81b7c8b4ce", "post_id": "post-221018", "text": "http:\/\/www.orbiterwiki.org\/wiki\/OFMMSection: Primary Vessels, right at the top. Read it. :facts:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.574399744Z", "author": "TheMineGamer32", "date": "2014-11-17T23:05:42+0000", "id": "ebeff861c9ef48e85f858928895b6c83", "post_id": "post-220500", "text": "Thanks, orbitingpluto! I work with it in Christmas, because I'm studying and working on the Pegasus (I have the Stargazer, Pegasus, Iris, Ibex and Aim payloads working properly, but Aim's solar panels don't work):facepalm: And I have to finish the repairing of the Minotaur I add-on.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.25191808Z", "author": "Qdog002", "date": "2010-08-31T15:54:06+0100", "id": "b6fc81db3d71cc9711c1a576a048c75b", "post_id": "post-252384", "text": "Yes, what version can I download that will work in O 2010", "thread_id": 16291 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.088441856Z", "author": "sitha241", "date": "2013-05-14T15:07:48+0100", "id": "57e84968ee587ef87d46377462a29596", "post_id": "post-219578", "text": "Nice pictures Artlav..I saw on your page numerous projects..Do you plan to put how you made 3d printer?:)", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.626694912Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-13T01:51:30+0100", "id": "8f1596390fe6b1181420f4ea8d38ef1a", "post_id": "post-220842", "text": "Izack said::lol:Anyway...If the payload were divided among smaller craft (say, two shuttle-sized modules end to end and a pile of cargo), the mass of the heat shields (inflatable, I assume) could be greatly reduced. Of course, then we have to fuel 3-4 engines instead of one...It really depends on how fast or how efficient you want it to go.I'm just shooting ideas now, but is it possible to send less up with the crew, and Hohmann an unmanned cargo vessel over so it arrives a couple months into the mission?\n\nI think aerobreaking the stack would be a mistake. A stack simply is not intended to take that kind of stress. Heatshields or not, the sheer stress of plunging that thing into the atmosphere would rip it apart. It is afterall held together mostly with airlocks and other assorted docking ports. The sheer size of the heatshield needed (even if it is inflatable) is space and weight that could be better used elsewhere or left behind altogether.Lol, the verb made perfect sence to me:)Why yes, we could hohmann over some cargo, but if it arrives months into the mission, we will be at mars without possiblly necessary supplies. Not to mention the fact that with my luck, the thing would either miss mars altogether or smack into the planet. Lol, with MY luck the aiming would be a little TOO good and the thing would impact dead center of the base:rofl:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.4598784Z", "author": "Slice N Splice", "date": "2010-09-01T02:46:12+0100", "id": "f428e9b060cfa721f0ce4343d3cab52d", "post_id": "post-252590", "text": "On all of the addons i got that make you open the parachute with SHIFT+1 will not work.for example the ARD when i press the SHIFT+other key it will not work.Same with airman and falcon parachutes...So my capsules just bash into the ground dieing.Why is it that ONLY the shift+number key wont work?If the key is K or J or whatever it will work.But not shift+number", "thread_id": 16310 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.441784832Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-30T13:23:14+0100", "id": "ccea85bca35385dae09d71e27fbc6a51", "post_id": "post-219832", "text": "The good thing is, that the big differences between AMD and Intel are gone now. Software for a Intel CPU should also work on a modern AMD and vice versa.Developing software to use more than just one or two cores, is not that easy, so don't complain too loud about it. Be happy if there is a game that scales perfectly on multi-cores. Even something like OpenMP requires you to think for parallelism. Even though it makes things insanely simple today.", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.822567424Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-28T22:08:50+0100", "id": "8c9f59277f84cea101d39d8f6ea016ff", "post_id": "post-219411", "text": "The big question of course is if they really do need the power of an entire star to FTL. That might get us in a bad spot.\n\nYes, over on the Atomic Rocket Main Page, there is a whole discussion about the implications of relativistic travel (not FTL). The gist is that whover discovers the other species first may immediately develop a rocket capable of relativistic speeds, and fly it into the other species' planet, unleashing a dinasoar-killing amount of energy. If you don't do it first, the aliens might do it to you.It's John's Law: any propulsion system powerful enough to be interesting is also a weapon of mass destruction.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.931908096Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-06-21T20:34:10+0100", "id": "b3d51879daabb30a7b1bf6e52ba8b515", "post_id": "post-251160", "text": "NASA\/NASA Dryden\/ NASA JPL:Radar for Mars Gets Flight Tests at NASA DrydenJune 21, 2011Southern California's high desert has been a stand-in for Mars for NASA technology testing many times over the years. And so it is again, in a series of flights by an F\/A-18 aircraft to test the landing radar for NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission.The flight profile is designed to have the F\/A-18 climb to 40,000 feet (about 12,000 meters). From there, it makes a series of subsonic, stair-step dives at angles of 40 to 90 degrees to simulate what the Mars radar will see while the spacecraft is on a parachute descending through the Martian atmosphere. The F\/A-18 pulls out of each dive at 5,000 feet (about 1,500 meters. Data collected by these flights will be used to finesse the Mars landing radar software, to help ensure that it is calibrated as accurately as possible.The testing is a collaboration of NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, Calif., with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Earlier tests, with a helicopter carrying the test radar, simulated the lower-altitude portion of the spacecraft's descent to the surface of Mars. For more information about the F\/A-18 tests, seehttp:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/topics\/solarsystem\/features\/F-18_flying_msl_radar.html.The Mars Science Laboratory mission's rover, named Curiosity, will be shipped this month from JPL to NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida to be readied for launch between Nov. 25 and Dec. 18, 2011. The spacecraft will arrive at Mars in August 2012. After Curiosity lands on Mars, researchers will use the rover's 10 science instruments during the following two years to investigate whether the landing area has ever offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life.{...}Full article at NASAFull article at NASA Dryden", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.526020864Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-04-30T20:21:33+0100", "id": "65aec56e457019cf42fcab3777abd132", "post_id": "post-220053", "text": "Move to the crew to the station and implement CSCS. The orbiter will not survive because there is no method (in real life) of getting prop into the Orbiter whilst it's in orbit.Launching another rocket such as a delta is not an option either. it'll take too long to prepare the rocket and there is no way of getting the booster to the ISS. By the time those problems are worked out the Orbiters fuel cells would have died, even with powering down as much as possible and usings SSPTS (unless it's Atlantis).You should have landed as soon as you realised how out of plane you were. Simsup would not be happy. :lol:", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.09151232Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2014-03-09T10:05:52+0000", "id": "c48236ec6192281ac62d2a6497158148", "post_id": "post-219597", "text": "Some recent stuff, starting with tonight:In February:And something fun:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.018956032Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-03-28T16:54:01+0000", "id": "4976c051ca158ead045aa0402f085fc4", "post_id": "post-252084", "text": "Universe Today:New Ginormous 4 Billion Pixel Panorama from the Curiosity RoverEarlier news:NASA JPL:Curiosity Resumes Science Investigations", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.578240768Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-02T15:28:30+0100", "id": "35fe332e554fef5dcb0e80c5d7bc7b4a", "post_id": "post-220152", "text": "SSTO's would have made possible Arthur C. Clarke's vision of 2001.Space Travel: The Path to Human Immortality?Space exploration might just be the key to human beings surviving mass genocide, ecocide or omnicide.July 24, 2009On December 31st, 1999, National Public Radio interviewed the futurist and science fiction genius Arthur C. Clarke. Since the author had forecast so many of the 20th Century's most fundamental developments, the NPR correspondent asked Clarke if anything had happened in the preceding 100 years that he never could have anticipated. \"Yes, absolutely,\" Clarke replied, without a moment's hesitation. \"The one thing I never would have expected is that, after centuries of wonder and imagination and aspiration, we would have gone to the moon ... and then stopped.\"http:\/\/www.alternet.org\/news\/141518\/space_travel:_the_path_to_human_immortality\/I remember thinking when I first saw 2001 as a teenager and could appreciate it more, I thought it was way too optimistic. We could never have huge rotating space stations and passenger flights to orbit and Moon bases and nuclear-powered interplanetary ships by then.That's what I thought and probably most people familiar with the space program thought that. And I think I recall Clarke saying once that the year 2001 was selected as more a rhetorical, artistic flourish rather than being a prediction, 2001 being the year of the turn of the millennium (no, it was NOT in the year 2000.)However, I've now come to the conclusion those could indeed have been possible by 2001. I don't mean the alien monolith or the intelligent computer, but the spaceflights shown in the film.It all comes down to SSTO's. As I argued above these could have led and WILL lead to the price to orbit coming down to the $100 per kilo range. The required lightweight stages existed since the 60's and 70's for kerosene with the Atlas and Delta stages, and for hydrogen with the Saturn V upper stages. And the high efficiency engines from sea level to vacuum have existed since the 70's with the NK-33 for kerosene, and with the SSME for hydrogen.The kerosene SSTO's could be smaller and cheaper and would make possible small orbital craft in the price range of business jets, at a few tens of millions of dollars. These would be able to carry a few number of passengers\/crew, say of the size of the Dragon capsule. But in analogy with history of aircraft these would soon be followed by large passenger craft.However, the NK-33 was of Russian design, while the required lightweight stages were of American design. But the 70's was the time of detente, with the Apollo-Soyuz mission. With both sides realizing that collaboration would lead to routine passenger spaceflight, it is conceivable that they could have come together to make possible commercial spaceflight.There is also the fact that for the hydrogen fueled SSTO's, the Americans had both the required lightweight stages and high efficiency engines, though these SSTO's would have been larger and more expensive. So it would have been advantageous for the Russians to share their engine if the American's shared their lightweight stages.For the space station, many have soured on the idea because of the ISS with the huge cost overruns. But Bigelow is planning on \"space hotels\" derived from NASA's [ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/TransHab\"]Transhab[\/ame] concept. These provide large living space at lightweight. At $100 per kilo launch costs we could form large space stations from the Transhabs linked together in modular fashion, financed purely from the tourism interests. Remember the low price to orbit allows many average citizens to pay for the cost to LEO.The Transhab was developed in the late 90's so it might be questionable that the space station could be built from them by 2001. But remember in the film the space station was in the process of being built. Also, with large numbers of passengers traveling to space it seems likely that inflatable modules would have been thought of earlier to house the large number of tourists who might want a longer stay.For the extensive Moon base, judging from the Apollo missions it might be thought any flight to the Moon would be hugely expensive. However, Robert Heinlein once said: once you get to LEO you're half way to anywhere in the Solar System. This is due to the delta-V requirements for getting out of the Earth's gravitational compared to reaching escape velocity.It is important to note then SSTO's have the capability once refueled in orbit to travel to the Moon, land, and return to Earth on that one fuel load. Because of this there would be a large market for passenger service to the Moon as well. So there would be a commercial justification forBigelow's Transhab motels to also be transported to the Moon.Initially the propellant for the fuel depots would have to be lofted from Earth. But we recently found there was water in thepermanently shadowed craters on the Moon. Use of this for propellant would reduce the cost to make the flights from LEO to the Moon since the delta-V needed to bring the propellant to LEO from the lunar surface is so much less than that needed to bring it from the Earth's surface to LEO.This lunar derived propellant could also be placed in depots in lunar orbit and at the Lagrange points. This would make easier flights to the asteroids and the planets. The flights to the asteroids would be especially important for commercial purposes because it is estimated even a small sized asteroid could havetrillions of dollars worth of valuable minerals. The availability of such resources would make it financially profitable to develop large bases on the Moon for the sake of the propellant.Another possible resource was recentlydiscovered on the Moon: uranium. Though further analysis showed the surface abundance to be much less than in Earth mines, it may be that there are localized concentrations just as there are on Earth. Indeed this appears to be the case withsome heavy metals such as silver and possibly goldthat appear to be concentrated in some polar craters on the Moon.So even if the uranium is not as abundant as in Earth mines, it may be sufficient to be used for nuclear-powered spacecraft. Then we wouldn't have the problem of large amounts of nuclear material being lofted on rockets on Earth. The physics and engineering of [ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/NERVA\"]nuclear powered rockets have been understood since the 60's[\/ame]. The main impediment has been the opposition to launching large amounts of radioactive material from Earth into orbit above Earth. Then we very well could have had nuclear-powered spacecraft launching from the Moon for interplanetary missions, especially when you consider the financial incentive provided by minerals in the asteroids of the asteroid belt.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.624319488Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-11T21:41:29+0100", "id": "f8b219353fd081418080dbf74dccbfb1", "post_id": "post-220820", "text": "That is an interesting system. I still prefer the stack-MSS system. The building missions may be redundant for OFSS members, but we have nonOFSS members involved here too (Like me!:)). I also like the idea of having a permanent presence in orbit.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.646595072Z", "author": "Mr Sandman", "date": "2010-09-03T08:28:41+0100", "id": "f1147ad5e6e8cc3c8ff4f3a6f5862850", "post_id": "post-253074", "text": "Hello all :tiphat: , The names Jonathon and I'm new to the forums and to Orbiter (Well, iv had it for about a year, but am now trying to learn how to use it) Anyway, I'm just saying hi, hope to see you all on the forumsJonathon", "thread_id": 16344 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630630656Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-16T21:09:43+0100", "id": "5f88eaf7f9d953d92c2ea5cf00ba0b0a", "post_id": "post-220880", "text": "Pablo49 said:How would we simulate construction of the artificial dunes? Or would we just have them there as part of the base from the start and just pretend we did it?\n\nWe could produce also the dunes like the rocks in AMSO, would also be possible. Pretty much vessels of their own, we could use a DLL for moving and manipulating them...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.625491712Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-12T04:46:49+0100", "id": "1c11a9af06ce93775ab51daf8d910fcb", "post_id": "post-220830", "text": "Izack said:Could this be where multiple smaller transfer vehicles become useful? :hmm:\n\nAll honesty IM starting to think im the guy designing the coms system but I can say is IM against shielding the whole ship so it can take a dip into the martian atmosphere for ten minutes. Though I do recall a few years back messing around with the concept of using the Tether MFD to aerobrake. Using say a Shuttle A cargo pack and attaching it tot he shuttle with the Tether MFD. Very far fetched but I think a million times better than adding tons of weight to mars and back costing more fuel and power.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.65111552Z", "author": "gattispilot", "date": "2010-09-03T13:25:26+0100", "id": "8578d16281529bc96bfbfdb5a89d097b", "post_id": "post-253083", "text": "I am using anim8or.Any suggestions on making a crater? Short of crashing an meteor in to surface.I want the ridge. I have tried a circle and then cut of the center and then made the inside smaller and made the circle nor round. But is there another way.", "thread_id": 16345 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.627807744Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-14T02:19:55+0100", "id": "d4beae4ce6b349f1214eda41082849e9", "post_id": "post-220853", "text": "What about we launch the LOSPS satellites to mars we launch all the vessels on a stack. Similar to the shuttle Man fuel tank. Using only a fraction of the fuel to get to Mars. Basically launching the astronauts to mars with only enough fuel to get to mars. When they arrive on orbit is a fuel tank with the fuel they need to get back.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.665216256Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T00:25:51+0100", "id": "472cea71e74e2f18693fc60d114d204d", "post_id": "post-220649", "text": "I believe we are actually planning on a multi ship mission. I'm pretty sure that arrow will make an appearance at some point.And no, there won't be any blue monkey women where we're going...they'll be red:D", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.679830528Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2009-06-06T21:39:36+0100", "id": "2df5556a657ea71374a9d2cbda65a4aa", "post_id": "post-69158", "text": "Donamy said:Are we going to do some updating to the SSME animatios and graphics ? I got a few ideas.\n\nof course, feel free to say them. As it involves graphics, I know you can do them.;)I have an update to the GPC code in the baking, will have the Shuttle Bus stuff finally implemented, I am just wondering about doing the message passing call by value or call by reference. The first is slower, but more robust to bugs.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.737995264Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-04-26T14:35:49+0100", "id": "c9a845b6916db77cbab3bde71055872d", "post_id": "post-219297", "text": "\"Si, fly...\"", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.668008448Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-05T13:20:30+0100", "id": "f53cd01b403ee07ef4a71106a61ec5b2", "post_id": "post-220673", "text": "Personally, I like the name Pegasus best.Also, I might be able to do some (very) simple meshes for the OFMM. I could also modify my Ares V addon to take whatever cargo we need into LEO as a first step towards Mars.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.656446976Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-03T16:18:16+0100", "id": "1c1b39f19b2c100d8a33e4229568a973", "post_id": "post-253100", "text": "... Have I mentioned how much I love you all recently?Seriously, this has to be theonlyplace on the internet where a webcomic can spark such a discussion. <3", "thread_id": 16347 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.814971392Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T13:07:04+0100", "id": "667310e3cfe45ad03b28bb8dcab4fb82", "post_id": "post-219334", "text": "Ghostrider said:... For Europe, of course.\n\nI dare ya, invade a small African country and see what happens. :lol:Just not Lesotho. We tried that one...", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.526190592Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-04-30T20:46:27+0100", "id": "02df83f818d111c447ec5034310fc5b3", "post_id": "post-220055", "text": "I'm using default \"Martins\" Atlantis with a Discovery skin;)", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.78777472Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-05T21:16:17+0100", "id": "c7f09872ef41f59a10cf169f666ac4c8", "post_id": "post-251489", "text": "According to the sources, it's time of receiving the signal on Earth.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6439104Z", "author": "Alexw95", "date": "2010-05-29T05:57:43+0100", "id": "65633ee672e50a28dfb4624fe3d63305", "post_id": "post-220978", "text": "I'm interested I can go to mars a back with arrow or dg havnt tried with xr but probly could I can do all the other stuff too---------- Post added at 04:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:55 AM ----------Alexw95 said:I'm interested I can go to mars a back with arrow or dg havnt tried with xr but probly could I can do all the other stuff too\n\nNot sure how many pilots u have but I can fly for sure I am working on learning to make modules so I can hel you with that when I figure it ou", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.574995456Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-03-04T03:51:24+0000", "id": "10d783467692a014fa4b9cc28ce86def", "post_id": "post-220117", "text": "Urwumpe said:I wouldn't call 69 Million USD per SSME low cost or even thinkable for commercial operations. Even the RD-0120, despite being much cheaper, would be anything attractive for commercial operations, if you want to reuse.\n\nThe advantages of a SSTO are best utilized as a reusable vehicle.Then you would have to subtract from this estimated payload mass themass needed for reentry and landing systems.However, the Ariane core stage SSTO could still be useful as an expendable vehicle. Then you could have up to a 9,000 kg payload without the reentry and landing systems. This is close to the 10,000 kg payload capacity of the Falcon 9.I saw this article that had an estimate for the price of an expendable version of the SSME's:PWR Offers Shuttle Engine Alternative.Jul 15, 2009By Joseph C. Anselmo\"The company also would manufacture additional engines using theexisting SSME design while beginning work on a modified design thatincorporates advances in the construction of nozzles and combustionchambers. That would be ready to go into production within 3-4 years.Maser estimates the modified SSME would cost two-thirds to four-fifthsof the original model - depending on the number ordered - and would be'a little more expensive' than the company's RS-68 engine 'but in thatballpark.'\"http:\/\/www.aviationweek.com\/aw\/gene...eadline=PWR Offers Shuttle Engine AlternativeUsing a price of $40 million for the current SSME's this wouldcorrespond to a price of from $26.7 to $32 million for the expendableversions. Considering the fact the engines make up the bulk of thecost of an expendable launcher, this expendable SSTO launcher verywell could be comparable in cost to the Falcon 9 at $50 million.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.932472832Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2011-06-25T20:12:32+0100", "id": "16b4fdfdec66e79991c63bd99d2fd227", "post_id": "post-251166", "text": "Gale Crater is the prime candidate now:http:\/\/www.nature.com\/news\/2011\/110623\/full\/news.2011.380.html", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.67520128Z", "author": "simcosmos", "date": "2010-05-02T10:41:16+0100", "id": "06c08e4f011ee73bc0d5bdeda0416df1", "post_id": "post-221100", "text": "Urwumpe said:Why do they want to use dual RD-180 and not a single RD-170 in the plan?\n\nAs far as I\u2019m aware, the RD-180 was chosen for the current Atlas V vehicles because it was the most cost-effective engine for the expected mission requirements: for extra performance the cores can support solid boosters, the Centaur can be fielded with an extra engine (as long as someone pays for that development on current vehicles) and there is also the AtlasV Heavy lift configuration (which passed CDR and uses very little changes to existing components, at least when comparing with Delta IV case, although it is expected that with RS-68A implementation the Delta cores might become slightly more common than what happens nowadays).Nice threads for EELV Evolution \/ AtlasV \/ Delta IV related information:http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/index.php?topic=19972.0http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/index.php?topic=6479.0http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/index.php?topic=9350.0For the eventual AtlasV evolution path it might then be natural to continue assuming the RD-180. A special wider \/ shorter core could be implemented (for a single RD-180, it is shown in the evolution picture) but the main plan would be really to field a new common core, with two RD-180: this provides engine out for crewed vehicles for the first stage (and upper stage could have that engine out feature too) and keeps using a known hardware component (the Rd-180) for such new cores (instead of requiring extra propulsion considerations).Of course that some variation of a single RD-17X could do the same job (at least in terms of performance) but that would mean yet a new contract, etc: under current reality, there are already many RD-180 in storage and\/or ordered and there was also some information exchanged that, in theory, could allow the \u2018domestic\u2019 (United States of America) production of the RD-180 (such domestic production capability seems to have been originally a requirement for all EELV but only Delta met that goal, with the development of the RS-68)\u2026 Although it is also true that there are several opinions about the true verification of such capability for the RD-180 (would the resulting RD-180 be really equal to the original version in terms of mass and performance? and how about the price?)\u2026 There are also opinions that mention that would probably be better to have a fresh start, with a more powerful engine \u2013 with thrust then at ~F1-A or RD-17X levels - as long as (and this is kind of important) there is money to pay for such 100% new development (instead of continuing to pay or trying to replicate the RD-180).Regarding bringing such plans into Orbiter:I\u2019m planning to implement some of the AtlasV Evolution stuff into an eventual future release (whenever that happens) of NASA VSE SC addon although will probably use the older ~5.5m diameter plans (current real life iterations assume the cores \/ upper stages at ~5m diameter). In fact, have played a little with that but will probably stop at the single core of Phase2 (and leave heavier lift for a SDLV with a later kerolox booster upgrade). Some older previews of AtlasV Evolution are on my flickr space (about the conceptual utilization of up to the three-core Phase2 variant (with options for max. performance) in a previous \/ outdated MarsDrive DRM):\u200bhttp:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/simcosmos\/3179561329\/\u200bThe hardest thing to find are estimations about the mass of the new core (upper stages and stuff such as interstage \/ PLF are +\/- easy\u2026 although the core could in part be estimated with some scaling). Haven\u2019t really implemented performance neither studied ascent trajectory constraints. Because I take virtually forever to fine-tune \/ share the toys that have in 'simcosmos' development archives (and because will not go much beyond Phase2) it might be better to not wait for me!As a final side note, something slightly similar (at least in concept) to AtlasV Evolution has been released by Kodiak:http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=13195#post142867Ant\u00f3nio", "thread_id": 14084 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.487621632Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-30T16:55:55+0100", "id": "fccd2c0135dff0ccb1972058129be3c2", "post_id": "post-219992", "text": "You could still land a spaceship (how about the LEM) on the moon.", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.984854272Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-08-12T07:31:53+0100", "id": "aff758a2d4fff6e6331191779738143a", "post_id": "post-251811", "text": "It look so surreal. To think about it, the atmosphere is only 1\/100 of that of Earth, yet it look so \"Earth like\".Maybe that is one of the reasons they did not include amicrophonefor MSL, it won't pick up anything.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.610140672Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T19:25:11+0100", "id": "ab516736a8c81a12481e3799e425dfbb", "post_id": "post-220536", "text": "Urwumpe said:all players that take part are represented in the scenario as UMMU astronauts\n\nwoops, sorry Urwumpe, I accidentally ejected you after deorbit burn..;)I'm going to keep my UMMU feet firmly on the planet I spawn at :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630999808Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-17T14:13:51+0100", "id": "0a02afc51ed89aaac0fdbd85c902450a", "post_id": "post-220884", "text": "Izack said:To boldly go where it has not been made convenient by others to do so before...\n\n:rofl:Now, that makes a good signature or at least project motto, don't you think?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.038861056Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2014-02-03T11:33:12+0000", "id": "efe9201bde26973252be4d2e022ac8d9", "post_id": "post-252152", "text": "I'm assuming, and I don't know for certain, but the weight increase wouldn't be that much if you made the \"webbing\" between the cleats 1 or 2 mils thicker. Half a kilo more? 1 kilo more? That would solve the puncture problem.The engineers knew this would happen, and it showed up in the testbeds in the mars labs. They were running the wheels with only the skeleton-cleat remaining and some were ovalized and non-symmetrical. Part of the experiment on surface mobility.And I recall there being a whole writeup on this topic. I don't recall where I got the pdf from. And there's a vid from the mars yard where they're testing the wheels and you can here them popping and puncturing!But whatever the causes and reasons, the fact is the wheels are degrading faster than predicted and different routes need to be planned.---------- Post added at 05:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:01 AM ----------http:\/\/www.universetoday.com\/107405\/rough-red-planet-rocks-rip-rover-curiosity-wheels\/http:\/\/www.planetary.org\/blogs\/emil...101-theres-a-hole-in-the-wheel-dear-liza.htmlhttp:\/\/www.unmannedspaceflight.com\/index.php?showtopic=7658&st=165---------- Post added at 05:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:21 AM ----------http:\/\/strategic.mit.edu\/docs\/SM-48-Baker-B-2012.pdfhttps:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=za-oAFdBs_Qhttps:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=nllHgoJ7rZk", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.146179072Z", "author": "Sar", "date": "2010-04-27T09:47:20+0100", "id": "d5840e7f375ad340ce86ed542b1859cf", "post_id": "post-219648", "text": "I just laughed at the name, they could've used a bit of imagination:D\"European Extremely large telescope\" Now I'm just waiting E-BMR \"European big mars rocket\"", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.641188608Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-22T02:04:55+0100", "id": "68215a23638aada8e8a24041fb054908", "post_id": "post-220955", "text": "Urwumpe said:I see cross product.I remember cross product is orthogonal to the plane spanned by the two vectors, and has the magnitude of the surface area of the parallelogram spanned between the two vectors. (simple geometry)Omega is the angular velocity vector, in radians per second of the rotating system.v is the particle velocity in the rotating system (eg, you moving relative to the rotating surface of Earth).The cross product reaches maximal magnitude if both vectors are orthogonal. So, this means the coriolis force is maximal of the particle velocity vector in the rotating system is orthogonal to the angular velocity vector of the rotating system: If you move radially or parallel to the main rotation axis. It is zero if both vectors are parallel or antiparallel: If you move tangentially to the rotating system.\n\n:eek:wned:ok while I soak that in...:)We have the ship design for simulating gravity.Another thing to think about is radiation, for both being on Mars, and en route to\/from. Other than putting lead all around a capsule or some other radiation shield material, I saw these;http:\/\/www.barringer1.com\/mil_files\/NASA-SP-8054.pdfhttp:\/\/science.nasa.gov\/science-news\/science-at-nasa\/2005\/24jun_electrostatics\/Think this 'force field for astronautics' is plausible? Or what other methods of radiation protection are we offering? ...or are we going to worry about it at all?Next, we have several months on Mars, what science experiments are we going to be doing there? Since our stay is so long, we can be doing quite a few simulated experiments I imagine. We already have the idea of sampling soil and bring back samples in form of elements. Any other ideas? (please realistic experiments)Wolfer said:I will be away from Orbiter until the end of June approximately.\n\nWe might just bestartingby then... :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.060361728Z", "author": "Yoda", "date": "2011-11-26T14:47:02+0000", "id": "0e5f5bae22fee7a45d049aa4af9abd01", "post_id": "post-251251", "text": "T-6Good Luck Curiocity; may the probe be with you:hailprobe:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586068736Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-14T17:56:32+0100", "id": "227e65dc881cce85e9ba50dcd0f04320", "post_id": "post-220242", "text": "RGClark said:I don't agree it is far out. Boeing is well aware of the weight savings that can be accomplished using composites because of their experience with the Dreamliner 787 and the X-37B.It's not a coincidence that Boeing is the one investigating this.\n\nDon't let me get started on this one. Well, too late.The Dreamliner is actually heavier when empty than the old Boeing 767 it is meant to replace. It just carries a tiny bit more fuel per dry mass, but when looking at the engineering inside an aircraft, this isn't because there is more volume for fuel in the Dreamliner, but because the Dreamliner has much more effective wings as the obsolete 767.Effective weight-savings by Boeing when using composite structures? extremely little. The A330 of Airbus, that has only a conservative use of composite structures, has almost the same mass properties as the 787, but a slightly shorter range (but Airbus has much longer experience in that field than Boeing, especially since Europe did already do research for civilian use when Boeing left composite structures to military projects with high maintenance requirements)Again: Composite materials are alone no guarantee for lower mass. They can be lighter, no question, especially in places with low dynamic loads, but overall, their impact is very low.Engineering is a science, and every science has its paradoxes, because not everything follows a simple linear model. You might think that a part made of aluminum is lighter than a part made of steel for the same requirements, but that is often wrong. For example pistons in car engines are MUCH lighter when made of steel.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.662831104Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T06:04:25+0100", "id": "0c901b8e35660f14891f393d9ca84592", "post_id": "post-220625", "text": "Looks like we're not using it anymore, but here's another view of the Cook concept, complete with Ravenstars, tanks, habs, cores, service modules and Ravenstars, ready to go.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.55194752Z", "author": "hribek", "date": "2011-01-05T00:55:04+0000", "id": "4c173afb6103a7816823e957789291d5", "post_id": "post-252901", "text": "Challenge #4 - about 310 kg used. The playback should show something like 316kg (biggest inaccuracy is due to the gradual engine cutoff). I haven't used more than 1 kg of fuel from the RCS tank for the entire flight (attitude change usually takes 0.05 kg tops, since you have plenty of time).The playback contains IMFD delta velocity plan, with IMFD Map program showing the predicted trajectory. It's a lunar gravity assist, PeA down to ~2M, then on the second orbit it gets down to 80km as predicted (I guess the Moon being on the opposite side of the Earth and high orbit ecccentricity might have something to do with that, plus Sun). The only course correction I made was PeA adjustment from 80km to 70km. then I only used a fraction of a kilo of propellant for killrot and two attitude adjustments on entry (first for the inverted circularization and suborbital skip, second for \"regular\" entry over the Gulf of Mexico). Touchdown was a few minutes before midnight (GMT) 26\/27 January.With this trajectory plan, it is possible to return to Earth on the first orbit using a 10 m\/s burn at perilune.View attachment Challenge_4_dv1104.32.zipRequired addons: IMFD", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.579819264Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2011-07-04T22:02:00+0100", "id": "aa1a49ab7e7d26b0d2d30005dd1eda6d", "post_id": "post-220171", "text": "T.Neo said:Why would throttling down to ~4Gs late in the ascent be a problem? STS throttles down to 3Gs for astronaut comfort (the Orbiter Vehicle, at least, is rated for something like 5Gs), and it doesn't seem to have too many problems with gravity losses.\n\nGravity losses are problem in the begining of flight when you have to quickly clear dense parts of atmosphere and gain tangential speed.It isn't a problem for the shuttle (SRBs at lift-off) but for SSTO it will be a problem of efficiency. Remember that ~70% of lift-off thrust of STS is from boosters.My point is that designing an engine for SSTO that will be efficent (high ISP) on 100% throttle and 20% and will provide enough thrust to minimize gravity losses (high thrust) is very difficult.Probably I haven't written that very well.Also I've used ETS as reference because I'm quite familiar with this rocket and it's capabilities:p(over 100 test launches during dev process)T.Neo said:But another issue is, if you throttle down enough, or even shut down an engine(s), you are suddenly finding yourself flying a vehicle with a good deal of parasitic mass onboard...\n\nExactly - throttled down engines work usually below theirs maximum efficiency.PS - I'll try to do the same for umanned boosters\/stages and post results here.---------- Post added at 11:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 PM ----------BTW my most with ETS calculations was intended to show that doing numbers for orbiter isn't that hard. There are plenty of tools to do it both online and on OHM to do it.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663128064Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-04T07:07:03+0100", "id": "9b91f5b5bf166fec5517ab9c77a58f08", "post_id": "post-220628", "text": "Izack said:That could be averted by using a single engine, as we probably were going to do anyway:NERVA 2\n\nJust in case, here is a DLL for that engine:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/nerva2_dll.zipComes with automatic thrust vectoring for compensating any load assymetry of docked vessels.Looks like a good choice for an engine to build the vessel on.How fast should the ship go?With this engine and 4 tanks it's 364t, 290t of which is fuel.So, it got 26km\/s DV on it's own, 16 km\/s of DV with 100t of payload, 9 km\/s of DV with 300t of payload.First is good for fast transfer, second is for slow. Reaction mass is whatever you shove into the tank, so taking one-way load is reasonable.What i built as an experiment is:-Nerva2+4 tanks-Mir2 core-self-deployed hab from the 60's-Ravenstar-Few shiny bits (tanks) from SSBB-A full Tanker by KulchAdding up to about 300000kg of payloadThis whole thing made it to Mars in a few months almost dry.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.793337344Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-08-06T05:43:31+0100", "id": "abce46e3a40bc8c03c3ec73b507ef1b6", "post_id": "post-251510", "text": "Are you guys watching this on ustream? They're showing a corny drasmatization with dramatic music.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630208512Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-16T01:29:48+0100", "id": "f4955a267f0278ccecd3e3dbb9881de6", "post_id": "post-220875", "text": "Urwumpe said:Just as excuse: I did not intend to disqualify you, but to remind you on the Mars landings as challenge.\n\nIt's more like my excuse. There's too much stuff suddenly going on for me to be able to maintain an adequate amount of meaningful input for a project this complex. When I joined in, I was thinking we would just think something up, throw interesting ideas around, then fly a few sims over a few weeks, not conduct an enormously complex engineering endeavour. You guys even want to contactNASA, for Christ's sake. Are we playing with a simulator or are we forming a new space agency?Of course, reading my other post again makes me cringe at my own melodrama. This is what happens when you post with an uptime of 34 hours, sustained by energy drinks. -barfs-Anyway, ignore it. If we can treat this like the game\/sim it is it can be very fun and not a crash-course in engineering, aeronautics, astrodynamics and perhaps theoretical physics.End rant. Thank you and good night. :goodnight:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.669873408Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T22:23:24+0100", "id": "6a6f4d98e7541f6cc14a9ccd834161a5", "post_id": "post-220690", "text": "Prometheus would be OK for me, there are not many add-ons with that name already.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.939141888Z", "author": "palebluevoice", "date": "2012-08-07T03:37:29+0100", "id": "2508eb9721c7c31b3a18bee07de56d9a", "post_id": "post-251739", "text": "How loud would the skycrane be from about 10-15 feet away?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.638368256Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-20T02:57:22+0100", "id": "94d0de51b24fcca75a6c57be8dcc02c2", "post_id": "post-220930", "text": "Bj said:And Energia doesn't look all that bad...:)\n\nNow THAT'S a ROCKET!!!:thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.85446528Z", "author": "jarmonik", "date": "2008-05-11T06:12:58+0100", "id": "8e1ac0d7499a185329709f48a3ba37cf", "post_id": "post-65179", "text": "Zatnikitelman said:Because of the lack of tutorials for IMFD 5.1h, I need to ask how to set up a surface launch on Earth to the Moon using IMFD. Every time I try using it, I use the course -> target intercept program and it just keeps spinning my \"orbit\" (I don't know exactly what it is) around Earth! I've played with every variable and the same thing happens. I have specified the target as the moon, but don't know how to set the source. Does anyone even know how to set up a surface launch to the moon?Thanks,Zat\n\nYou can use the Surface Launch program to reach low earth orbit.1. Select Surface Launch2. Set Op-Mode to Lunar Off-plane3. Set Target to the Moon4. Specify Lunar Intercept time \"GET 80:00:00\" for an example.\"Time\" tells you how long it takes to reach the launch window and\"Hed\" tells you the launch heading.If you want to make more precise orbit insertion you may want to monitor the EIn. It displays the deviation form the required eject plane.5. Once you have reach the low Earth orbit. Open Target Intercept program.6. Target the moon7. Specify lunar intercept time. Must be equal to the time used in Launch program \"GET 80:00:00\"8. Select proper TEj (the one that gives minimum dV)9. Switch to \"OffAxis\". (OffAxis mode won't start if TEj is badly incorrect)10. Reselect proper TEj11. Enable Autoburn", "thread_id": 1402 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.97450496Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-07T07:10:16+0100", "id": "fda8a67e38070e27444e29e3b947f235", "post_id": "post-251741", "text": "Louder than RCS, quieter than OMS. Depending on where you are and how far away you are.---------- Post added at 01:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:34 AM ----------Are they gonna shoot the Skycrane's Hydrazine tanks with the laser? Are they? Are they?(imagine antsy pesky little boy jumping up and down)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.67026176Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T22:51:11+0100", "id": "db9a7c2b838dd180195b2f936cba4ea3", "post_id": "post-220693", "text": "Arrowstar said:Heh, maybe someone could make an executive decision on the name so that the bigger fish can start frying, so to speak?:)\n\n:)I'll give it 24 hours unless I get a landslide vote in either direction between now and then. But Prometheus justsoundsright.*on a side note, while we honour Prometheus, let us not forget the price he paid for his daring...*", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.472705792Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2010-04-30T06:03:30+0100", "id": "89d6d8afcbb39c498dc030e772387cb6", "post_id": "post-219924", "text": "Andy44 said:It's not really original; there is a US 1-dollar coin which already has the Apollo 11 mission logo on it:\n\nIt would be nice if that was common and Kennedy is on the front.As for the other bills, the design is nice, but the photos have to go and be replaced with more natural-looking pictures for money, such as the Euro.", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.0255232Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-10-24T15:15:32+0100", "id": "661e67d48c3658f5d2f1e8f01dc87573", "post_id": "post-252115", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity update: Roving through the shutdown toward Waypoint 2, sols 388-432", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.819227648Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-04-27T00:20:04+0100", "id": "be1c172033b5689126cb7f4f991671dd", "post_id": "post-219379", "text": "The question at the root of Hawking's preoccupation appears to be \"Will aliens be compassionate towards us? And, is it a compassion at our level of understanding?\"The unspoken assumption is, if they can 'visit' us, then they are fully capable of 'destroying' us with, like, a swipe of the hand\/claw\/tentacle\/fin\/toadstool... whatever.How compassionate are you to a piece of seaweed? Do you think the piece of seaweed is content with the level of compassion you give it?I personally already had, and therefore go with, the opinions of following two posts...Suzy said:Humanity is already damaging or destroying itself thoughoverpopulation, wars,environmental devastation, etc\n\nar81 said:A human goes to the bottom of the sea and says \"hello, noble fish, bring me before your leader\"...We are just fish in the gas waters filled with oxygen. Why would an alien race want to contact us?\n\n\/\/...........................................T.Neo said:Yes, but aren't these people primarily descended from Europeans?...Yes, native as in born somewhere. I'm native to South Africa, although many people would like to believe otherwise due to my heritage....When I speak of \"Native Americans\" though, I'm talking about the people that came to America thousands of years ago via the bearing strait land bridge.\n\nQuite, yes, but please reread carefully. Is there a hint of some contradiction lurking in there? No. It must be me not comprehending something, sort of like an alien... :lol:However, to answer the very first question, about European descent: No. You are thinking of Creoles. Sort of long gone, now. A reasonable segment of the society is part caste, leaning more towards the original, precolonial denizens than to European descent. The rest are the originals themselves. They weren't as \"wiped out\" as school-text-book-history portrays, apparently.Depends on the definition of \"get back\". Illegal humans? That's an amusing concept...\n\nAmusing, indeed. But a true reality nonetheless among humans. Today.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.640630784Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-21T05:38:55+0100", "id": "8197333b9046166f0735afc09f28b11a", "post_id": "post-220950", "text": "I doubt we would email the .scn around. Probably just post them in a thread in the group forum. And IRC coverage is optional of course, depending on the pilot. Again, we aren't anywhere near that point yet, once we have missions, we can discuss how to preform them.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.04363136Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2016-08-05T20:34:47+0100", "id": "8a34295aca441875a53cadd2e2e95de7", "post_id": "post-252193", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.147311872Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2010-04-28T05:20:16+0100", "id": "099b3307448bb6fc94dc3e339a52cdc7", "post_id": "post-219657", "text": "Orbinaut Pete said:Well, you know, it is extremely large - maybe it pokes out above the atmosphere?!:p\n\nBwaaaaaahahhahahaaa!!! :rofl:", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.527307008Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-30T23:39:46+0100", "id": "18d184b5b7a680c43819528be8001105", "post_id": "post-220061", "text": "garyw said:I know that would get me but I'm so used to typing \"delta-v\" - thanks Urwumpe.\n\nThats what computer scientists are for... fixing math problems. :lol:(For those who still wonder what the joke is: delta-v\/delta-t means \"change of velocity during a change of time\" or simpler: Acceleration)", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.544620544Z", "author": "Fizyk", "date": "2010-09-02T14:40:35+0100", "id": "b0e5a0c545ba05044db87e9a871beea5", "post_id": "post-252871", "text": "Code:GPU Name=ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650\n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 2410121\nWriting bmp\nFinita.\nGPU Name=ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650\n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 2695052\nWriting bmp\nFinita.\nGPU Name=ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650\n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 4210437\nWriting bmp\nFinita.computerex said:Mine dies at level 7, ATI driver crashes.\n\nSame here.", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66609536Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-05T02:38:51+0100", "id": "2c0d1cb2d3eb0798971c5198cf8c3e91", "post_id": "post-220657", "text": "Haha, I first suggested vessel stack and then didn`t think about it then, how silly.:pWith that in mind, I like the idea of using the boosters has desccribed in the picture before.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630457344Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-16T18:20:14+0100", "id": "0b98752f9bd7ac915798e64af0236feb", "post_id": "post-220878", "text": "T.Neo said:Is there any possibility of covering at least the habitation modules with regolith as radiation shielding? How would such a structure be constructed?\n\nI think I mentioned it briefly... yes, as extension, by using cylindrical modules that are just covered with soil.T.Neo said:And the greenhouses- would they not suffer from durability issues if they are lightweight enough?\n\nNot more than rigid structures. Flexibility is as much desired pretty often as stability, the best is the right balance between both. The central module is just rigid in my design for rising high above the surface and provide a good overview of the base, as well as later allowing line-of-sight radio links over a bigger area.T.Neo said:What would the requirements for a \"tent-like airlock\" be?\n\nLarge enough for two astronauts, easily installed or removed, powered by and takes atmosphere from the module it is attached to (alternatively cable connection to another module and gas bottles), can be stored in a UCGO box. The rest is TBD.T.Neo said:Would there be a possibility of either solar or wind power to at least augment the power of the reactor?\n\nSolar power and wind power would be pretty weak on Mars. Solar power could be used as augmentation, but for powering the whole base, you would quickly need huge arrays. And especially for the green houses, you would need extra power since the light on Mars would be much weaker than on Earth and not all edible plants like that.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.612024576Z", "author": "Hispa", "date": "2010-09-11T23:31:57+0100", "id": "446e94d285258216c0fbc5ee3d994db8", "post_id": "post-252983", "text": "T.Neo said:TheDiscovery II(warning, 3 MB .PDF file) study includes quite interesting mass figures for trusses as well as propellant tanks.\n\nThanks!I made it by the numbers...", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.729283584Z", "author": "deadshot462", "date": "2011-11-28T00:07:16+0000", "id": "5bf7c0ff0ae866a836bdad947b8e5fee", "post_id": "post-251313", "text": "Great launch, good luck MSL.When will NASA add MSL\/Curiosity to its \"Eyes on the Solar System\" program?Is there another way to track of its current location?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.855088384Z", "author": "zerofay32", "date": "2008-05-12T06:00:47+0100", "id": "cad92abbbaf03c222cf406c135e0ce69", "post_id": "post-65184", "text": "Oh shoot!Sorry about that. I was thinking of the Mars chapter. The moon chapterdoesuse the Transfer MFD. I should have double checked, its been some time since I've looked at that chapter.but on that note, the Transfer MFD is pretty easy to use for a lunar transfer.Zerofay32", "thread_id": 1402 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.372975616Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-04-29T09:05:09+0100", "id": "fbcde4aac16150af5f4ef9e5d1987c33", "post_id": "post-219778", "text": "A little digging uncovered that when using Orulex, UMMU bases have no O2. This MAY explain why the crew inside my base died...maybe. It still does not explain why the crew's in all landed vessels died, or why those vessels were catapulted into space. Is Orulex collision completely incompatable with UMMU?", "thread_id": 14041 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.926518784Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2012-08-06T07:27:12+0100", "id": "293f86265cbf7ac697e69d553b80fdf0", "post_id": "post-251662", "text": "Congratulations to everyone working on this project:D", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902581248Z", "author": "4throck", "date": "2010-04-29T14:20:19+0100", "id": "572ec782ee1b31bc9b3d956d8a734e2b", "post_id": "post-219474", "text": "Disregarding capsules and the Shuttle, because they are limited by the need to reenter the atmosphere and land, we have the ISS and the Apollo Lunar Lander as good examples of current tech designs. Both are completely designed from a hardware point of view.Realistic projects, like the LOK lunar lander and other proposals still look much the same. For example, the Russian mars trip spacecraft designs of the 1980s look much the same as the MIR modules, just assembled a different way.As for near-future, I'd say you have to look at what materials and hardware (solar panels, tanks, docking ports, antennas, etc. ) is available today from manufacturers of satellites and probes.For example, theGOCE satellitedoes look unusual:TheGracesatelites are also interesting:", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.446423552Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-29T16:27:13+0100", "id": "21b95dd7faece9efd304e55ea16322bc", "post_id": "post-219866", "text": "Ghostrider said:Is it near the Tycho crater? Because if it's the case, I'll start worrying.\n\nWhat's so exciting about a huge buried slab of iron?", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.93820288Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2012-08-07T00:37:26+0100", "id": "200298eaee7bac8c2fef9a4ee7e4c2f3", "post_id": "post-251732", "text": "MSL got an awesome picture of Aeolis Mons.EDIT::ninja:'d by Mattyv.:lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433285888Z", "author": "xmariox", "date": "2008-05-12T01:36:48+0100", "id": "8ac14896118036d9e8b44e75ed5db980", "post_id": "post-65202", "text": "ryan said:We can just can Sylvestor Stalone with his Rambo stuff, to sneak into burma and flip there heads over, then we will get Chuck Norris in from the west and so on.\n\nYes Sylvester Stallone with his Rambo in Burma. Famous movie:)", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.634568192Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T21:06:13+0100", "id": "2527101206d189e5b30631c12c675774", "post_id": "post-220557", "text": "Would it be safe to say we are going to use Orulex, UMMU, Arrow+cargoes, and (DGIV or XR2)?Last I knew, UMMU and vehicles did not work well with Orulex. Which would make landing target more difficult. Otherwise, anywhere on Mars would look the same because its all round.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.472551168Z", "author": "Hispa", "date": "2010-09-01T12:20:33+0100", "id": "ba5b909d44751ad57c02f48a9d329b2c", "post_id": "post-252630", "text": "http:\/\/mmb.cat\/index.php?idm=1BTW There's an exhibit of s.XX russian pictures, to \"know the daily life of russian people\". XD Maybe you're interested!Related: Museo del ej\u00e9rcito, Montjuic -http:\/\/www.ejercito.mde.es\/Unidades\/unidades\/Madrid\/ihycm\/Museos\/barcelona\/index.htmlHighly recomended: Museu d'art de Catalunya -http:\/\/www.mnac.cat\/index.jsp?lan=001", "thread_id": 16316 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.4630592Z", "author": "MrFickles", "date": "2010-04-29T23:38:26+0100", "id": "05ed6e2fb704a67f30ed8daa35fe58ed", "post_id": "post-219913", "text": "Ok, downloading that specific one works, I downloaded the patch and I guess that didn't work", "thread_id": 14061 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.823659008Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-04-29T12:48:54+0100", "id": "6d440acbcc87e9d91b91ec7f094a5ea0", "post_id": "post-219421", "text": "T.Neo said:Injustices in the process of first contact and colonisation were not nessescary for these things to appear. That is a bit of a pity, I think it would have been far more advantageous if it had been gone about without the racism and patriarchal ideals.\n\nHistory always could have happened differently, but it happened like it happened.Technologically and scientifically the colonisation might not have been nessescary (the first rocket that reached space was launched from German ground; the first human to enter space was launched from Russian ground). But historically the colonisation was crucial for enjoying Apollo, STS etc. these days. Europeans (mostly) \"got\" land on which a lot of amazing things happen and almost the entire world participates from a lot of those things. Like Tom Hanks alias Jim Lovell says in Apollo 13: \"Imagine if Christopher Columbus did come back from the new world and no one returned in his foodsteps\".", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.516100096Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-09-02T04:00:35+0100", "id": "19295a4c72211f7500d671171670ad36", "post_id": "post-252761", "text": "This add-on seems to have quite a few dependancies, which weren't mentioned on the download page. From the scenario file, it seems to require Vinka's add-ons : Spacecraft2, Spacecraft3, and Multistage2. Also, there seems to be another add-on required for the launchpads, no idea which one - probably a high-rez Canaveral, or Slat's LaunchPads.", "thread_id": 16325 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.486262784Z", "author": "silent_protagonist", "date": "2010-04-30T06:38:22+0100", "id": "9385617b2082fcdb16121cd0fdd3243c", "post_id": "post-219979", "text": "Well a spaceship is simply any spacecraft that carries three or more masts each supporting square solar sails. If the spacecraft only caries two such masts, it's a spacebrig, etc.;)I've always informally thought of the term spaceship, by analogy to current ocean going ships, as being reserved for a spacecraft that's reusable and capable of extended independent operation, such as an Earth-Moon orbit to orbit shuttle, etc, as opposed to contemporary spacecraft which are only capable of making brief forays into space with extensive ground support.", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.903040256Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-29T21:36:59+0100", "id": "1731b7bd20e18a1aabcaec0a6d9e53ff", "post_id": "post-219481", "text": "Well, of course. Having the stream hit the ship would just be stupid.Kind of like sawing off the branch you're sitting on.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.160066816Z", "author": "Quick_Nick", "date": "2008-05-27T04:03:24+0100", "id": "4fb36be8b755e053badc0c062bdc7d78", "post_id": "post-69032", "text": "1672 - Giovanni Cassini's Discovery of Saturn Moon Rhea1948 - Yeager flies XS-1 Flight 103.Lots of other little things:http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/thisday\/decber23.htmApollo 11 landed on my mom's first birthday.;)", "thread_id": 1628 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.596275968Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-05-04T04:55:20+0100", "id": "402a68dc8ce87945a01ad3916fea5b31", "post_id": "post-220509", "text": "Its amazing how desperate we were for info back then. As good as the U-2 was and still is in my opinion, It has no ability to evade. The flight ought to have never have been made.", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.516350208Z", "author": "JAW1002", "date": "2010-04-30T19:37:09+0100", "id": "33139ce34d3ca5fc4f273ddd1f5ee3f4", "post_id": "post-220032", "text": "if you can make addons, \"i cant\" this looks simple enough.plz can someone remake the topgear space shuttle..want more views and some info look here [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_b4WzWFKQ20\"]YouTube- Top Gear - Reliant Robin space shuttle - Richard Hammond and James May - BBC[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.52486272Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-09-02T03:55:18+0100", "id": "92daae3777eaff984630b9c89a093264", "post_id": "post-252787", "text": "Race organisers for the forthcoming United States Grand Prix in Austin, Texas, have released a draft layout of the new circuit that will stage the event from 2012, when Formula One racing returns to the country for the first time in five years.Working with renowned track architect Hermann Tilke, organisers Full Throttle Productions LP have drawn inspiration from the best circuits around the world, as well as taking advantage of the site\u2019s natural topography to include some dramatic elevation changes.Turns 3 through 6 look not dissimilar to Silverstone\u2019s high-speed Maggotts\/Becketts; Turns 12 through 15 give a nod to Hockenheim's stadium section; and Turns 16 through 18 will mirror the infamous, multi-apex Turn 8 at Istanbul Park.{...}\n\nhttp:\/\/www.formula1.com\/news\/headlines\/2010\/9\/11198.html", "thread_id": 16327 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.624103936Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-11T21:13:02+0100", "id": "e484be23b6b578e89b659a9dc7938d64", "post_id": "post-220818", "text": "Pablo49 said:I seemed to have missed this Cycler being mentioned before. Can you explain please?\n\nLets link to the original:http:\/\/buzzaldrin.com\/space-vision\/rocket_science\/aldrin-mars-cycler\/There are already more types of Mars cyclers, ballistic and non-ballistic.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mars_cyclerBallistic mars cycles need absolutely no propellant for their work, they are held in their orbit by repeated swing-by maneuvers at Earth and Mars. They don't enter an planetary orbit, so docking\/undocking from them requires a lot of propellant, but you can reuse them, so you actually save a lot of mass for many mars missions. For just one \"Mars direct\", a cycler would be futile.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.537476608Z", "author": "Foofoo14", "date": "2010-05-01T03:00:22+0100", "id": "94b93c3c7c43a81b9bb1d735be7468a8", "post_id": "post-220074", "text": "So i just finished a land mask and bitmap of a planet and i wanted the lava on its surface to glow at night, but when i was done with pltex it turns out that the bin file wasn't 1 kilobyte and the land mask for the bin was 0 bytes.How is this so and how can i get it to work?", "thread_id": 14078 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.693287936Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-13T23:18:35+0100", "id": "c35040eec64b0b100bc293e886b636f1", "post_id": "post-251118", "text": "JPL: \"NASA's Next Mars Rover Rolls Over Ramps\".NASA's next Mars rover, Curiosity, drives up a ramp during a test at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., on Sept. 10, 2010.The rover Curiosity, which NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission will place on Mars in August 2012, has been rolling over ramps in a clean room at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to test its mobility system.Curiosity uses the same type of six-wheel, rocker-bogie suspension system as previous Mars rovers, for handling uneven terrain during drives. Its wheels are half a meter (20 inches) in diameter, twice the height of the wheels on the Spirit and Opportunity rovers currently on Mars.Launch of the Mars Science Laboratory is scheduled for 2011 during the period from Nov. 25 to Dec. 18. The mission is designed to operate Curiosity on Mars for a full Martian year, which equals about two Earth years.A public lecture by Mars Science Laboratory Chief Scientist John Grotzinger, of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, will take place at JPL on Thursday, Sept. 16, beginning at 7 PM PDT Time (10 PM EDT). Live video streaming, supplemented by a real-time web chat to take public questions, will air on Ustream atwww.ustream.tv\/channel\/nasajpl.More information about the mission is online at:http:\/\/mars.jpl.nasa.gov\/msl.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63552512Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T21:24:59+0100", "id": "45ed88d301f822a7a60e4069bc113f2d", "post_id": "post-220563", "text": "Urwumpe said:Please no Orulex. It looks fancy, but is a PITA for older computers like mine.\n\nReally? I would have thought with all the developing you do, you would have this insanely fast expensive computer. How old is old?supersonic said:Ok, scratch Orulex off the list.\n\nWell that opens up a lot more places to land then:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551071488Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-09-21T19:18:09+0100", "id": "22848a92fabd4d719a2e9b65e4155dcf", "post_id": "post-220262", "text": "Refurbishment and maintainance have nonzero costs.You might be able to optimise the costs pretty well (I believe there were some suggested improvements to the Shuttle's engines, for example, that would have made refurbishment easier), but they'll still be there, and I don't think it's a good idea to imagine them in an overly optimistic way.Even Skylon only gets down to under $200\/kg if it has a relatively high flight rate, which would not materialise without demand.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.7574528Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2012-05-08T12:53:00+0100", "id": "3a1ad06c31167326b3262e4d105db296", "post_id": "post-251367", "text": "If you look at the video, you can see that Curiosity is pretty stable before being lowered\/landed. I think it won't be a problem", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.739319296Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-27T17:04:09+0100", "id": "52f86a8d1889bbc1b4503b06cc2c4600", "post_id": "post-219303", "text": "Tortillas do not require very special conditions and they last long.Those are suitable for space.", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6150976Z", "author": "Kveldulf", "date": "2010-05-07T20:46:13+0100", "id": "cb661bcafae702cf7dc6259b9cf39a79", "post_id": "post-220738", "text": "Linguofreak said:I won't have access to Orbiter for the next three months, but perhaps I can give a suggestion on how to structure things:Figure out what kind of missions might be flown: (There are already a fair number of ideas: launching modules, assembling modules, flying to mars, mars landings, etc).Then take a poll on who wants to personally fly different kinds of missions: If everybody thinks \"yeah a modular spacecraft would be a great idea\", but nobody wants to personally fly up or assemble modules, then perhaps it would be best just to start with a monolithic ship in orbit. Conversely, if people are afraid of the project as a whole doing too many assembly missions, but lots of people want to fly them, it would probably be a good idea to do lots of assembly missions. Ideally, the ratios of different types of missions should match the ratios of interest in those types of missions.\n\nI agree with everything up here, especially the vote on who would be interested in flying what stages of the mission. Although I'd think offering a choice in being interested in the idea, as well as interest in actually flying the stage.For example, I mentioned a little while ago I don't like the idea of a modular ship, but I wouldn't be opposed to doing any construction of it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.789532928Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-01-29T13:57:54+0000", "id": "6b4a7ebdaa10971e553fcd20349df009", "post_id": "post-251138", "text": "Space News:NASA\u2019s Overbudget Mars Rover in Need of Another Cash Infusion:WASHINGTON \u2014 NASA\u2019s Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) mission needs an $82 million cash infusion to maintain its late November launch date after development of the $2.47 billion rover exhausted program funding reserves last year, according to agency officials.Jim Green, director of NASA\u2019s Planetary Sciences Division in the U.S. space agency\u2019s Science Mission Directorate here, attributed the 3 percent cost increase to problems developing the truck-sized rover\u2019s mobility systems, avionics, radar and drill, as well as delays in completing the rover\u2019s Sample Analysis at Mars instrument suite, which is designed to sniff the surrounding air for carbon-containing compounds.\u201cOur problem right now is MSL,\u201d Green told members of the NASA Advisory Council\u2019s planetary sciences subcommittee during a public meeting here Jan. 26. \u201cIt has virtually no unencumbered reserves left.\u201dWith MSL slated for delivery to Florida\u2019s Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in June, Green said it is imperative that the program\u2019s funding reserves be restored in order to gird against any further development or test problems that could cause the rover to miss an unforgiving three-week launch window that opens Nov. 25.{...}\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.785728768Z", "author": "NLSPingouin", "date": "2010-05-02T03:10:26+0100", "id": "c6d8220562b944b2f214bbde76383a04", "post_id": "post-219328", "text": "mnagelvoort said:I am trying to learn how to land the lem starting at step 13. I am not finding much information. Can anyone help point me in the right direction. Thanks\n\nI think you know the answer. RTFM.", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817867008Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-04-26T19:32:30+0100", "id": "1034f94ba6cd548e644b8e82d2be4c0a", "post_id": "post-219366", "text": "T.Neo said:Since when did Europe get overrun by Native Americans?\n\nTry the present.....?I think you will be able to look up the statistics of how many Ecuadorians alone there are living in (especially) Spain and Italy, and other countries of Europe. Even those figures lie, as a good many more are there illegally. Then there's the rest of Latin America.So, is that what could happen if we are invaded by aliens? We get back at them two to five centuries later?By the word \"native\" I am assuming that you are using it in its correct sense, as in \"born\" somewhere, and don't mean specifically Chief Sitting Bull or Tupac Yupanqui, yes?", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.01144704Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-11-26T20:31:49+0000", "id": "f5309dfbab55c1d0f342ac2cff894184", "post_id": "post-252027", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:One Year After Launch, Curiosity Rover Busy on MarsNovember 26, 2012PASADENA, Calif. - The NASA Mars rover Curiosity began its flight to Mars on Nov. 26, 2011, from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla., tucked inside the Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft. One year after launch and 16 weeks since its dramatic landing on target inside Gale Crater, Curiosity has returned more than 23,000 raw images, driven 1,696 feet (517 meters) and begun helping researchers better understand the area's environmental history.{colsp=3}Click on images for details\u200b||Panoramic View From 'Rocknest' Position of Curiosity Mars Rover\u200bThis panorama is a mosaic of images taken by the Mast Camera (Mastcam) on the NASA Mars rover Curiosity while the rover was working at a site called \"Rocknest\" in October and November 2012.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Malin Space Science Systems\u200b|A Martian Rock Called 'Rocknest 3'\u200bThis view of a Martian rock called \"Rocknest 3\" combines four images taken by the right-eye camera of the Mast Camera (Mastcam) instrument, which has a telephoto, 100-millimeter-focal-length lens.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Malin Space Science Systems\u200b|Mars Rock 'Rocknest 3' Imaged by Curiosity's ChemCam\u200bThis view of a rock called \"Rocknest 3\" combines two images taken by the Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument on the NASA Mars rover Curiosity and indicates five spots where ChemCam had hit the rock with laser pulses to check its composition. It covers an area 3.9 inches (10 centimeters) across.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/LANL\/CNES\/IRAP\u200bThe car-size rover is at a site called \"Point Lake\" overlooking lower ground to the east, where the rover team intends to find a target for first use of Curiosity's rock-sampling drill.During a two-year prime mission, researchers are using Curiosity's 10 science instruments to assess whether the study area in Gale Crater ever has offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.640982784Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-21T11:24:29+0100", "id": "d4e6a0d8d3863bb2cb7235aa3699864a", "post_id": "post-220953", "text": "Bj said:Side questions:Where do you find those kind of articles?I am going fromthis... how did you figure out those figures?:eek:wned:\n\n(1)Simple: Google. I just ask it the right questions.;)(2)Simple:I see cross product.I remember cross product is orthogonal to the plane spanned by the two vectors, and has the magnitude of the surface area of the parallelogram spanned between the two vectors. (simple geometry)Omega is the angular velocity vector, in radians per second of the rotating system.v is the particle velocity in the rotating system (eg, you moving relative to the rotating surface of Earth).The cross product reaches maximal magnitude if both vectors are orthogonal. So, this means the coriolis force is maximal of the particle velocity vector in the rotating system is orthogonal to the angular velocity vector of the rotating system: If you move radially or parallel to the main rotation axis. It is zero if both vectors are parallel or antiparallel: If you move tangentially to the rotating system.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.078660096Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-07-11T16:03:30+0100", "id": "7bda20528194796eda1ce9e1522b5589", "post_id": "post-219515", "text": "Cool! I can almost hear the dry '60's narrator telling me what the future will be like!", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.1523968Z", "author": "Slice N Splice", "date": "2010-08-31T02:39:56+0100", "id": "040f84508c399c7a99ee0f3d504dba72", "post_id": "post-252299", "text": "Does anyone else got a link to any rockets with parachutes and or alot of stages.Also i need links to anything with a parachute on it. I am very interested in parachutes!", "thread_id": 16279 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65480576Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-06-14T01:39:11+0100", "id": "5f6a03be6252a32b42419124cc4a81b4", "post_id": "post-221075", "text": "Izack said:I initially thought it would be nice to have some 'quality control' on who could post and what not, but nothing is preventing anyone from joining the OFMM group, so that point is also moot.\n\nIf that's the case I recommend we just make the forum by itself. I assume you will be running the project? Who ever is in charge of running things will have the ability to moderate that forum. Note you wouldn't be a member of the O-F Mod team, you would simply have the ability to moderate threads and posts in that forum, stick threads, rename, etc.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.569711616Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2013-11-19T17:05:27+0000", "id": "2bc86b89456339c5e03c0e279e7f67cc", "post_id": "post-220455", "text": "Urwumpe said:...Also \"discussing with SpaceX\" ... where was THAT said there?\n\nAbout 23 and 1\/2 minutes in, a question is asked about how NASA is planning to land large masses on Mars, which would be needed for a manned mission. After possibilities such as hypersonic inflatables are mentioned, there is also mentioned the possibility of retro rocket firing during a hypersonic reentry. This is when it is mentioned discussions with SpaceX about their rocket decelerated reentry of the F9 v1.1 first stage.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 12:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 AM ----------N_Molson said:Muskwants.\n\nMusk gets.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.794091008Z", "author": "FordPrefect", "date": "2012-08-06T05:52:00+0100", "id": "8a2859ca3fe3378cd9a4d16e0656b46f", "post_id": "post-251516", "text": "Phobos passing to the left now. EYES rocks, beautiful visualization. This is getting really exciting...Goodspeed to Curiosity. Keeping the fingers crossed that all the stuff works as advertized, and that there'll be some nice flat spot on the surface of Mars underneath!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.512130048Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-04-30T09:37:33+0100", "id": "fafe949fffcbb6c0dd9c77bae6030c0e", "post_id": "post-220029", "text": "Can you provide link for the video???", "thread_id": 14074 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.625114368Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-12T02:56:28+0100", "id": "745e1e2d53b51074f3edb515a6625fe7", "post_id": "post-220826", "text": "That it will take approximately 6.12 km\/s DV from LEO to LMO.\n\nWe can reduce that by aerobraking into Mars orbit.Also for your graphs, the second one looks okay.Using the data you gave I havedv= 16500*ln((100466+x)\/(42000+x))which gives, in m\/s and kg:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.794340096Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-08-06T05:54:58+0100", "id": "af085fbb50d9a2ba8101fe308ccec028", "post_id": "post-251517", "text": "All I'm seeing is video of the control room.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.554818816Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2012-01-01T21:24:54+0000", "id": "ecb527488cec05ede0728e05c873548e", "post_id": "post-220300", "text": "T.Neo said:However, here is a question: say we have a reusable spaceplane, the second stage of a TSTO, with propellant tanks integrated into the spaceplane itself (unlike with STS). Could it work, or would the center of mass\/center of pressure difference created by the mass of the engines in the aft of the vehicle destabilise everything?\n\nEngines would probably have to be placed on wings like on Skylon to maintain stability with empty tanks and to avoid tendency to fly tail first when empty. Or maybe some sort of clever lifting dody besign had to be used.How about the space shuttle?\n\nYeah, shuttle. Howewer it was more like rebuildable than reusable. Imagine how much your plane ticket would cost if a jetliner would have to be taken apart, inspected to last part and put back together by thousands of technicians after every flight. There isn't really much difference when that army of workers are used to rebuild the reusable launch vehicle or build a new expendable rocket for every flight.Ultimate goal for spaceplane would be airplane like operations with little maintanance between flights and major sheduled maintanance happening only at predetermined intervals like it is with commercial aircraft.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.372492288Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-04-28T03:36:03+0100", "id": "fd250f304f5c8cd4ac70078847c5c0dd", "post_id": "post-219776", "text": "Everything is Ok, with vessels above ground, but anything on the ground is not. to clarify, grounded ships are not launched AT 6000mps, butaccellerateaway from the planet\/moon until they hit that speed, thats where I shut down the scenario...", "thread_id": 14041 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.500939008Z", "author": "Face", "date": "2010-09-01T21:27:04+0100", "id": "c34ec1ed3adc8ad7f7e6025346179cf4", "post_id": "post-252708", "text": "Jarvit\u00e4 said:Dropbox is closed-source on both server and client side. I don't see how I could possibly confirm that it only shares what I ask it to.\n\nIn theory you could do that by analyzing the net-traffic from\/to your computer. Wireshark FTW", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.557106688Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-04T22:04:52+0000", "id": "f5c6832779ceb50844ec7dc90dc45978", "post_id": "post-220331", "text": "Urwumpe said:Rocket equation says a certain SSTO configuration is possible \u25ba Launch costs are down to $100 per kg because Elon Musk says so.If I would give Elon Musk the paperwork for a 6000 kg satellite and $60,000 for launching it, do you think he will take the contract and launch it for that price? Maybe together with another satellite in that weight class that he will launch for $6000 per kg on a bigger launcher (\"The first one is for free\"). But economically, I doubt he could even get the aluminum for building his rockets for that launch price.\n\nKeep in mind the $100 to $200 per kg number is not arbitrary but is based on estimates by the SpaceX engineers of, for example, their understanding of the reusability of their engines, the most costly part of a rocket. Elon has said the Merlin should be reusable ten's of times.About your example I think you meant $600,000 to $1,200,000 for that 6,000 kg satellite. But the low cost reusable vehicle does not yet exist. However, I think he would accept that paymentnowif that launch only had to be within the next 10 to 20 years.:)Speaking of economic \"bets\". Consider this scenario. There have been many cases of people who got in early on an initial public offering and made out big when those companies became successful, such as with Apple, Google, etc.Let's suppose thatifSpaceX succeeded they would patent their reusable $100 per kg design so that no one else could use it or would have to pay license fees to SpaceX to use it, and no other company got in on the reusability paradigm to be able to field their own design for another say 5 years while SpaceX is fielding theirs. But let's say we still don't know whether or not SpaceX will succeed. We just know they said they'll patent their design when they get it and since no company is working on it, it would take a few years to catch up.Under those conditions, clearlyifthey succeeded they would get a huge market share. Now let's say tomorrow SpaceX offered an IPO.Would you buy their stock? Note this is asking a question on how you view the likelihood of them succeeding at this idea. I would, because I consider it likely they will succeed. Also, the other orbital launch companies have shown no dedication to achieving it. So if SpaceX succeeds they will likely be the only ones at least for a few years.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.4783488Z", "author": "zeldafan156", "date": "2010-04-30T20:00:47+0100", "id": "e5e68fb3a2e9acf932e34348b8edbab3", "post_id": "post-219943", "text": "it looks like it would fit... its about 1 inch deeper than the one i have. but my concern is will it fit in the back(will is screw in right) and will it work on my mother board.---------- Post added at 07:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:58 PM ----------Your best bet, pull the old unit, look for that data sticker.\n\nthe sticker that tells me how muck watts it can produce? that doesnt give me any dimensions", "thread_id": 14064 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.560742912Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-10-23T14:01:53+0100", "id": "d5e858da001156abafeee572468212ef", "post_id": "post-252926", "text": "What is \"it\". Saying \"it\" doesn't work is not help at all, you need to qualify what \"it\" is, what you were doing at the time and provide steps to repeat the \"it\" that doesn't work.", "thread_id": 16336 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56303872Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-07-19T07:55:08+0100", "id": "5272156d22b66cbeb937355bb65b821f", "post_id": "post-220406", "text": "Hlynkacg said:And once again you're blithely ignoring the economic and engineering aspects of your own argument.If it were simply an issue of strapping engine A to stage B SSMEs would be on EVERYTHING.Likewise an SSTO (that is not reusable) and costs twice as much as TSTO is not an improvement. It is a step backwards.\n\nThis is a test vehicle, not the actual production vehicle, anymore than the Grasshopper will be or the DC-X was.This is using the actual Falcon 9 hardware remember with the plannedMerlin 1Dexpected to see first flight on a Falcon 9 next year. Then it's importance would be to demonstrate how easy SSTO is to achieve with engines not even especially efficient on the Isp scale.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.612282112Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-05-06T20:50:04+0100", "id": "95643f226c0c0148adcd1955ed81ef53", "post_id": "post-220715", "text": "For what it's worth I also think Prometheus is a good name.Do people want me to make a fuel version of the GDI miner? Shall I just change the output or shall I whip up a new mesh?Bearing in mind that the mesh\/texturing on the miner were not my work so would probably end up with a quality more like the ore mill I'm making (see the GDI refinery thread for pics).", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660323584Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-03T20:37:16+0100", "id": "3fe729062e7bef2f33d0083ebaa07be7", "post_id": "post-220602", "text": "I still have my copy of Red Mars, I'll see if I can glean some more information from it. Of course it'd be guesswork, but I remember the gondola had a crew of 2 (dude\/chick and of course they did...)Propulsion was electric IIRC.How was the Mars Ares plane to be powered? Rockets IIRC, When I find it I'll try to mimic that somehow. Perhaps something just enough to stay aloft at 500 meters or so, with some kind of RCS type steering.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.667099648Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2011-09-27T09:12:16+0100", "id": "c6c75c4da2701c423d9e04c2d77e1fa7", "post_id": "post-253129", "text": "Tested the set myself and it works. The only caveat: one has to set BODY and BARYCENTER lines in the SPICE'd .cfg file equal to the asteroid's ID, which is 3405189. If you simply plug in the name, you will end up around Sedna and rotating like hell which is definitely wrong on both counts.", "thread_id": 16349 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652826368Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-06-12T18:07:37+0100", "id": "79e86644c8a846e6232d9529b841d7ae", "post_id": "post-221057", "text": "Urwumpe said:Yes, that is what I mean with the skycrane concept - have a separate propulsion module\/reusable shuttle, that lands the hab module by means of a long tether connection that permits some distance to the surface from the landing engine.What I don't yet have is a good way to return back to Earth, I am torn between using a Earth Return Vessel (ERV) that fits into the 40 ton landing envelope of the skycrane, and attaching a lighter crew module to the skycrane after landing\/refueling on Mars, that rendezvous with the interplanetary spacecraft in Mars orbit.The ERV would permit a direct return when combined with an inflatable habitat module, the second one would require less mass to be transported to Mars - essentially just a light cabin with a docking port.\n\nOh! I didn't know that we were going to return the hab to LMO via the skycrane. I thought that was just a landing system.As for returning to Earth, I think the best strategy would be to bring the hab module back to Mars orbit and use the stack that brought us to mars to return to Earth. If the NERVA 2 doesn't have enough fuel for the whole journey (TMI, MOI, TEI and course corrections), than we can send a seperate flight to Mars carrying fuel and supplies for the return trip of the crew. (This flight can be launched in the launch window previous to the one the crew are launched in).", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.928595712Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2012-08-06T08:11:25+0100", "id": "0ca76939a3dadcbce9888f3920666ce1", "post_id": "post-251677", "text": "I could have sworn that when they were interviewing John Holdren he claimed that the US was the only country to successfully land surface probes on another planet. (Venera anyone?)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.85496704Z", "author": "zerofay32", "date": "2008-05-11T22:35:02+0100", "id": "b8fd7508a87ff267682e731a011fdd12", "post_id": "post-65182", "text": "I suggest downloading the \"Go Play In Space\" ebook from here,http:\/\/www.aovi93.dsl.pipex.com\/play_in_space.htmRead Chapter 4 \"Fly Me To the Moon\". This desrcibes how to get to the moon using IMFD. You don't need everything for the totorial as long as you are just trying to get to the moon with IMFD.Hope this helps,Zerofay32", "thread_id": 1402 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.432951552Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2008-05-11T21:17:19+0100", "id": "05d136dd8c7fd789d2ecd9f9a55d4913", "post_id": "post-65198", "text": "computerex said:My opinion on this is negligible, but to all the people opposing this notion, I would like to ask you to think what you would want if you were in the situation of Burmese people. It's easy to say big words while we are in the comfort of our air conditioned houses with our bellies full and our thirst quenched.\n\nIf it's okay to invade Burma to overthrow their tyrant, than it's okay to invade Iran, too, and for the same reason.That said, I think the U.S. prohibition on privateers and mercenaries should be lifted. Ifyoupersonally would like to go over there and start some trouble, have at it. As long as you pay for it out of your own pocket and understand you will receive no support from your own government, you would be responsible for whatever happens.Then you can put your money where your mouth is and find out personally if getting into a gunfight on the other side of the world against people who have never harmed you on behalf of people you don't know is really worth getting killed or mamed or captured and tortured for.Meanwhile, please leave me with the choice to not participate or pay for your venture.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.02161792Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-10-27T18:31:15+0100", "id": "b4fb38c75ab5be46b252fb0b45f69ccc", "post_id": "post-251203", "text": "Encapsulating into payload fairingEncapsulating into fairing (Oct. 25):{colsp=6}Click on images to enlarge\u200b{colsp=2}\u200b|{colsp=2}\u200b|{colsp=2}\u200b{colsp=2}\u200b|{colsp=2}\u200b|{colsp=2}\u200b{colsp=3}\u200b|{colsp=3}\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.281877248Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-04-28T03:00:33+0100", "id": "b60335ca6e51ed6bb3383d77d6621b21", "post_id": "post-219755", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:I can vouch for ar81's tutorial, it's worth the download (get the other anim8tor tutorials as well).Texturing is kind of an art form, I'm learning as I go. It's less voodoo than I thought, but can still be tricky.\n\nAnd from my experience working with UnrealEditor - level design tool for Unreal Tournament - the texturing is more important then the mesh.A high poly count cannot compensate for bad texturing (and lighting), while good texturing can easily compensate for lack of polies.", "thread_id": 14037 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.474035456Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-05-01T21:32:50+0100", "id": "e709eef1adaac9adcd6bef38d38a3d30", "post_id": "post-219934", "text": "Andy44 said:It's not really original; there is a US 1-dollar coin which already has the Apollo 11 mission logo on it:\n\nOh my god, where can I get one of those?", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.022438912Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-11-04T17:04:28+0000", "id": "5847314226469c5dc1d0dc9f22e618f3", "post_id": "post-251209", "text": "Video: MSL moved to VIF and attached to the rocketVideo of the above:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6469184Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-08T18:17:48+0100", "id": "7226f9b54ec6c9d768829ccda3e6b1ad", "post_id": "post-221005", "text": "By the way, what meshes do we need. I have been practicing meshes.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.562553856Z", "author": "TMac3000", "date": "2012-06-06T01:23:14+0100", "id": "550119f08a378b86e75e654d58635a3b", "post_id": "post-220401", "text": "I believe SSTO is possible, but not with currently technology. We're close, but need to make pretty serious strides in materials and propulsion technology.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.036264448Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2013-11-24T17:41:32+0000", "id": "09bba7aca4aa82847d0bcd92188bf0cb", "post_id": "post-252131", "text": "Volts are not so important as long as the components are designed to operate at various values, but Amperes are critical. But of course they are related : you can lower the Volts to keep the Amps constant, but there is a limit to that, and 4V is close to that limit.BTW a RTG is not a computer PSU, and I guess that \"normalizing\" and distributing its raw power takes several steps.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.569070848Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-02-21T13:52:20+0000", "id": "7ecb291868ff0d2dd6201be2450c78ed", "post_id": "post-220106", "text": "Urwumpe said:You can't average just by \"trajectory\", you would need to integrate thrust force during the ascent and then divide it by the propellant mass. if you ascent slowly, and loose a lot of thrust to atmosphere (as the SSME or J2X would), you would also have a much worse \"average specific impulse\", due to the fact that most fuel is used at a time when the engine is operating less effective.A single value is purely statistical - it helps you no where, since calculating it properly means roughly simulating the trajectory, and the 425 (which are bloody close to the middle between sea-level and vacuum ISP) are not even telling you how it went up.\n\nThe middle point is at about 408 s. The value 425 s is sufficiently far enough away that it is clear that the fact that most of the flight is taking place at high altitude is being taken into account.The trajectory averaged Isp clearly depends on the trajectory. But you can assume some common trajectory is used to reach altitude and velocity for orbit and calculate the average Isp on that basis.I would just like to see that calculation made and the trajectory used to make it.One possibility for how it could be done if you had the data for the thrust of the SSME's for the shuttle over the entire trajectory to orbit, a \"thrust profile\". Then you could calculate what is the average Isp over this trajectory.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.619478528Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-10T01:20:42+0100", "id": "36b84846884d17930093ca426557e406", "post_id": "post-220779", "text": "Great ideas about the mining.As for the recovery of rovers, isn't the Spirit rover broken or stuck or something? Maybe we could fix that.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.130736128Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-08-29T23:45:25+0100", "id": "86b4a4f6110647e057ffca951587930f", "post_id": "post-252274", "text": "wow! there's a lot of stuff floating around on our little system, no? -now - immagine how AWESOME if we could add even if as few as 10% of those to orbiter :lol:of course, then we'd need to hookup a super-mainframe in order to play... :hmm:", "thread_id": 16276 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.627590144Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-13T22:18:10+0100", "id": "27d1de4297f0b16627be697123afc0bd", "post_id": "post-220851", "text": "lennartsmit said:I just have a problem with this MSS. If we aren't aerobraking because of the strength of the docking-ports, wouldn't the acceleration of the Earth-ejection also be enough to break the ship apart? Or have we got some Unobtainium bolts?\n\nWe are not talking about the stress of acceleration or deceleration. What we are talking about is the windshear involved in aerobreaking. This puts very different stresses on the structure than accel\/decel in a vacuum.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.634704128Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T21:12:38+0100", "id": "66abb3d6d89dd10308fc4189978d5886", "post_id": "post-220558", "text": "A small super high res space in the middle of Valles Marineris would be a good spot for Orulex because of how low it is compared to the rest of Mars.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.039719936Z", "author": "barrygolden", "date": "2014-02-11T03:48:59+0000", "id": "88ffa11132410587165b750f27d306f5", "post_id": "post-252162", "text": "Really would like to see MSL fly in orbiter", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558567936Z", "author": "movieman", "date": "2012-01-08T07:42:55+0000", "id": "21753387ce2c2964d5a358ca1f94988b", "post_id": "post-220347", "text": "T.Neo said:Considering that most of the ascent is spent in a vacuum or near-vacuum, shouldn't a scheme to increase vacuum ISP (such as an extendible nozzle orTAN) be more relevant?\n\nMost of the time during a rocket launch may be spent in a vacuum, but typically most of the fuel is used in the atmosphere. So an altitude-compensating engine is a very good idea if you're trying to build an SSTO... so long as the added complexity doesn't cost more than you gain.If I remember correctly, the shuttle's SRBs make up about half the launch mass and that's all burned to get the shuttle above most of the atmosphere. Similarly for the Saturn V, where most of the fuel is in the first stage. That's not a problem for a multi-stage rocket, but it could be a big problem for an SSTO... a small reduction in ISP in atmospheric flight could result in a large increase in fuel mass.Certainly it's enough of a problem that the early Kistler SSTO design relied on being launched from high altitude where it could use rockets designed for vacuum... the numbers just didn't work otherwise.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.647179008Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-08T18:31:35+0100", "id": "bc21e93e6dab5b47e2c007da2e7d4f09", "post_id": "post-221007", "text": "Okay, time to start cracking.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.170793728Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-08-31T14:39:07+0100", "id": "dbb33c96ec2347e1b1b38b0fe8fdfd36", "post_id": "post-252333", "text": "WANT :jawdrops:", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.572127232Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-20T22:22:50+0000", "id": "9593ddce93042e048f86c0c427520c6d", "post_id": "post-220482", "text": "Hlynkacg said:Yes I've heard of it, I just don't think it applies to the systems being discussed. \"Wear out\" failures are a non-issue because each rocket is expendable and refusing to make changes to or apply lessons learned in previous design iterations will result in a flat failure rate rather than a downward curving one.\n\nThats wrong: First of all, the overall reliability is the sum of all reliabilities, generally speaking. Every component has a bath tub plot of its own. And there are quite many components in the system, that are reused even in expendable rockets: The ground segment.Then, you also have a background noise of failures in your operations. A procedure can be failure prone, without appearing like it initially. You can get more failures in a part initially appearing safe, when you get higher flight rates.Also, it can become harder to produce components, when their parts become obsolete - what happens quickly today. Then you will get again an increased number of failures, even if your parts are produced new for every flight - this usually happens at the end of the life time of a ELV again.Usually, you freeze the requirements of the new product generation not before your current one has entered the low and stable part of the bath tub. Then you know enough about the hardware and get ideas about the wetware. When the new product is entering test operations, you have enough experience in the wetware from the previous product to improve the operations. And repeat it, when the early operations of the new product are done.Regardless what the product is. There are less aggressive R&D cycles, and multi-dimensional R&D cycles, but the general best practices don't change.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.654582528Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-13T23:41:47+0100", "id": "85941e20f0f3b0da7d5b2786b005bef8", "post_id": "post-221072", "text": "Voyager said:Essentially the return engines and supply modules would be docked together by a small two man crew in the return engines. They would then set up the autopilot to head to Mars and leave in their CTV.\n\nOr we could just build the thing right here in LEO, and then ship it off, as per the current mission outline. The main problem I see with your idea is that once the main engine has been sent off to Mars, how the heck to we get everything else there? More engines? If so, then why build the first engine in the first place?The concept of testing all the different modules in Earth orbit isn't such a bad idea, though. When Apollo did it, they did it because nothing like that had ever been done before, which isn't the case today. We have all the spaceflight experience we require right now, withMir, Skylab and of course the International Space Station. Humanity now has the required flight hours for his pilot's license, you could say.Of course, if we get to Mars and it turns out someone forgot to code RCS thrusters for the lander, we could be in a bit of a pickle, so preflight testing of all the modules is still an absolute must (even though it needn't be a group activity.)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.449763072Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-01T02:56:44+0100", "id": "87c6bc63adeaf18a946a127eb8bc4597", "post_id": "post-252580", "text": "None of us are perfect. It takes time to learn how to reenter. Probably no one will take the time to make this for you, but plenty of people have spent plenty of time writing tutorials to teach people like you (and me:p) how to do these things without autopilots.EDIT: Ninja'd by Xyon. He makes the point much better anyway.", "thread_id": 16308 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.573692672Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2014-11-16T08:53:25+0000", "id": "6961bbe22953d3d313472f0aaf957388", "post_id": "post-220494", "text": "Pure dV derived from rocket equation is not enough. You have to acount for gravity losses, which are determined mostly by thrust\/weight ratio in initial phases of flight.Silverbird rocket calculatorsays that Titan 1st stage with single LR-87-5 can't achieve orbit on it's own. Adding second engine to the stage gives me astonishing payload of 28kg! And that's for straight eastward launch on equator.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.392772608Z", "author": "haze39", "date": "2010-04-28T14:23:06+0100", "id": "6d7cd94c2dbe00f0b0b2e5929dc98000", "post_id": "post-219791", "text": "OK.The use of runways is not that important,since the DGIV can hover it's way to a stabil landing on a pad on a planetary base,IF it's possible to make it use the XPDR\/Nav-beacon aid.Can this be done on KSC\/Edvards? as an example?I am using the Relativistic Warp MFD by nicker43,to pinpoint any planet\/base\/vessel,but the trouble occurs when trying to land the DGIV,smoothly on the earth.It usually breaks up in thousands of pieces and \"kills\" the crew....:nono:Thankshaze39", "thread_id": 14044 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.488797184Z", "author": "markp", "date": "2010-09-04T22:03:24+0100", "id": "c5071ffd8be5a0fb3eaa0aa2f954b021", "post_id": "post-252683", "text": "Thanks very much for the feedback. Yes that can be a problem accidentally dropping the rover!:)Good idea about putting some text in the scenario file. Will do that in an updated version.I am wondering if parts of the landing could be possibly triggered using the autopilot module. I'll see if that is possible.I use spacecraft3 quite a lot but it has its limits. I haven't gotten around to coding stuff but plan to one day!", "thread_id": 16319 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.626183168Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-12T14:24:25+0100", "id": "3d25b544f57e6db1105c9d391ef0f594", "post_id": "post-220837", "text": "Tim Taylor said:More power!!\n\n:lol:Anyway...If the payload were divided among smaller craft (say, two shuttle-sized modules end to end and a pile of cargo), the mass of the heat shields (inflatable, I assume) could be greatly reduced. Of course, then we have to fuel 3-4 engines instead of one...It really depends on how fast or how efficient you want it to go.I'm just shooting ideas now, but is it possible to send less up with the crew, and Hohmann an unmanned cargo vessel over so it arrives a couple months into the mission?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.48605184Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-04-30T05:41:32+0100", "id": "b0330aa9b3a75d491036f07dc19cf174", "post_id": "post-219977", "text": "shangding said:thanks , i understand. spaceship is a unreal spacecraft.\n\nIn normal usage, yes. Izack is correct in thattechnicallyyoucouldcall a real spacecraft a \"spaceship\", but it would sound odd for an adult to use that term, at least here in the USA. :tiphat:", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.768237056Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-03T22:18:53+0100", "id": "f617e63471e939b071aac9718ea43d52", "post_id": "post-251450", "text": "Everything I've read so far is that the skycrane is pretty stupid. It only knows how high it is when it deploys the rover. I read nothing to indicate that it can avoid rocks or rough terrain. What if the rover lands half-way on a boulder and tips over?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.820677888Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-28T13:16:15+0100", "id": "014140d11ed0bfa7a2539434d9e41801", "post_id": "post-219392", "text": "Ok then, so they may be interested in things like coal, oil, carbonates, cellulose, etc., which all are product of organic life.;)\n\nComplex hydrocarbons can also be produced by stellar radiation, on objects like Titan and cometary bodies.I'm not sure why they would want cellulose, unless they prize terran pine furnature... :lol:My problem with SETI is that they search for something as primitive as radio waves. Assuming that we're looking for a species that has mastered interstellar travel, which is more or less the general paradigm, then their spacecraft could run circles around radio waves.\n\nRadio waves aren't \"primitive\" in that spacecraft could run circles around them. Assuming C is the ultimate inviolable top speed of information, electromagnetic communication will always be faster than spacecraft. Even assuming isn't, you don't have to break it to have interstellar travel, and electromagnetic communication could still be far easier to do on at least a planetary scale.But radio waves themselves are rather poor for interstellar communication anyway, so there isn't much point in looking for them. I'd suspect powerful focused systems, broadcasting on a wavelength emitted least from the parent star, would be optimal.This does not need an invasion fleet, just probes, and maybe an agent or two on the ground who would do their best to remain anonymous.\n\nTry to stay anonymous in a group of chimpanzees, or geese, or squid. That's what it would be like for an alien to remain anonymous in human society.Aliens might then be interested in information. Human culture, scientific and technological ideas. Terrestrial life and it's DNA.\n\nTerrestrial biotechnology might be a motive. Apart from being potential deadly poisons to aliens, chemicals found in Earth life could have medicinal properties etc.the proverbial suicidal race of a short SF story I don't remember too well\n\nIs a theme in multiple SF stories, AFAIK.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.635867392Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-19T14:32:56+0100", "id": "5289705ecfceb9a7435007642de4d385", "post_id": "post-220907", "text": "All fine for me. I can maybe produce some more plans about the hab module this evening.Also, I recommend having a look here, about how project management in spaceflight should be done:http:\/\/www2.jpl.nasa.gov\/basics\/bsf7-1.phpIt is not like we need the whole mess of it, since we don't build real hardware that has to work, but it gives still a good best practice on how to manage projects.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.251342848Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-31T08:01:40+0100", "id": "86db474f3fb124849fb61c3f651626fa", "post_id": "post-252382", "text": "The eagle? The Space: 1999 thing, is that what you mean?", "thread_id": 16291 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.079452672Z", "author": "bwog", "date": "2010-07-15T13:47:51+0100", "id": "3e8d5d8ef085e308efb7fa6277fe577f", "post_id": "post-219520", "text": "If my camera had a setting for exposure time more then 1 second, I would of tried taking some pictures of the lightning last night.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.092286464Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2014-03-10T05:00:29+0000", "id": "e608172999468c610d7bdb46c0a58b0e", "post_id": "post-219604", "text": "I could tell. I prefer the quality of digital, but the process of developing film is interesting. I still have a few rolls of 35mm film and inherited an old Pentax SLR, but I don't plan on devoting time to it soon.I either forgot or didn't read the purpose of this thread, but it turned into something for photography in general. There's a few photography threads around but not many people who spend time with photography.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.521577728Z", "author": "TheMineGamer32", "date": "2014-11-19T22:22:04+0000", "id": "cb4d0698cb26747750b26ff53e5294ec", "post_id": "post-252784", "text": "Oh man, I need more DGIV training and less addon repairing.", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560786944Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-05-29T21:59:52+0100", "id": "c0bd6bd6488e5d51248ed1ff2e9d7b96", "post_id": "post-220374", "text": "LOL, the problem is: Your SSTO is even then the poorer choice. It is made for leaving Earth, not flying in space - many propulsion technologies that are better suited for space don't work for entering LEO from the surface. Why refuel them? Your SSTO can maybe get a DV of 10000 m\/s. An electromagnetic thruster with nuclear power supply could be well past 20000 m\/s and carry more payload than a similar massed SSTO.And an SSTO for flying into LEO is a poor choice for landing on the moon, since it has too much stuff not needed for that route. On Mars, it would be less worse, but still less optimal than a dedicated Mars vehicle. Which could be easily SSTO with much simpler technology.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.556711936Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-04T18:05:19+0000", "id": "93dc773dec114a3c9c774b1c9b692bf5", "post_id": "post-220325", "text": "The main problem that remains to be proven from RGClark: Can a fully reuseable SSTO be in any sense superior to a fully reuseable TSTO? Nobody doubts that the rocket equation permits finding numbers that make a SSTO possible. Most of us simply doubt that:- You can get the dry mass low enough for building a real expendable one with expendable low-performance engines or- You can get the engine performance high enough to build a real reusable one with reuseable high-performance engines.That is the part that RGClark simply ignores. The logic in his argumentation is pretty much like these two alternative paths:Rocket equation says a certain SSTO configuration is possible \u25ba Something magical happens here \u25ba Launch costs are down to $100 per kgOr:Rocket equation says a certain SSTO configuration is possible \u25ba Launch costs are down to $100 per kg because Elon Musk says so.If I would give Elon Musk the paperwork for a 6000 kg satellite and $60,000 for launching it, do you think he will take the contract and launch it for that price? Maybe together with another satellite in that weight class that he will launch for $6000 per kg on a bigger launcher (\"The first one is for free\"). But economically, I doubt he could even get the aluminum for building his rockets for that launch price.Contrary to paper rockets, real rockets are made of real materials, that cost money and need employees and tools that also cost money. all that money goes into the launch costs, together with the R&D effort to get from paper rockets to blueprints. Plus the money for the 200-300 employees that you need for managing your company and keeping contact to your customers and suppliers (You can Kanban rocket production, but you can't rely on standardized supplier networks like car companies already have).$1000 per kg would already be a major achievement in that economic situation. You would need a pretty cheap launcher with lots of payload, so the overhead does not harm that much.Just for some fun, I know that the argumentation is really weak and more absurd than realistic economics: if you would try to send your payload with the needed SSTO rocket (An idea less than 1% payload mass fraction) from USA to Europe the cheapest way (in small parts or rolls of sheet metal, container ship, assuming $2000 per TEU), you would already be close to fail if you want to do that with $100 per kg payload (You could transport a scout rocket and its tiny payload actually with that rate, but without any transport tools, like making sure the rocket survives rough seas)Of course it makes no sense (why should you do that?), but it shows well how cheap $100 per kg for a space transportation service actually is in the real world.RGClark has done nothing that you don't already get presented in your first semester of aerospace engineering - The case of a SSTO based on the rocket equation and how light it would have to be for having positive payload mass fraction with realistic engines.You are right, that alone is no reason for 17 pages of arguments.What annoys me is his Velcro Rocket attitude (Without even bothering using Velcro), of taking existing stages and then do some obscure modifications to them to say: See, it can be done. It is still cheap paper rocketry, but presented like other engineers are just ideologically disoriented, SSTOs censored from engineering or incompetent.It is like doing just the first 2 hours feasibility study for a new rocket, that will eventually take 5,000,000 man hours to develop (about $1,000,000,000 development costs, that is actually cheap), and claim you did all the important work there.Maybe this is a bit negative. But the optimistic interpretation of the situation would be: Such launch costs can only be achieved with a revolution in rocketry and in the economics on the ground.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.532920064Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-05-28T10:35:39+0100", "id": "b54d7959c86c3b8c2d13b06c6c9f2588", "post_id": "post-69070", "text": "Master of Blades said:Well i meant in an orbiter simulation aspect, would a new ET magically appear after exiting the VAB?\n\nNo, it gets constructed out of bits and bytes. What did you expect?;)Can you code C++? If you would like to have a really complex processing, you can implement it yourself. I am sure you can even get graphics.", "thread_id": 1633 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.661697792Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-04T05:17:17+0100", "id": "591c762646494da2569e5731a455a848", "post_id": "post-220619", "text": "Could we use something like Vessel Stack to make the interplanetary stack\/MSS? Possibly use Nerva 2 for the engines. (I've never used Vessel Stack, so I'm unsure of it's abilities.) This would eliminate having a separate vessel moving MSS to Mars orbit.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.45453952Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2008-05-12T02:23:33+0100", "id": "a4af9d10e14d9fd5d78fba07b456fe97", "post_id": "post-65218", "text": "Ursus said:I thought the same thing 'til I realized that I could actually select a target in Docking MFD even if it doesn't have a transponder or IDS beacon, then click the HUD button on the MFD to set the HUD to that target.Come to think of it... now that I've realized that, maybe I'll try playing around with some of Greg Burch's add-ons again. He's got some really nice stuff, but a lot of them don't have transponder\/IDS frequencies set by default. (And... come to think ofthat... I guess it kind of makes sense with such things as SSBB, in which it's likely that two modules of the same type will be in close proximity...) Sometimes I feel too lazy to edit the scenario files.\n\nActually, it's when the ship you're flying doesn't have a dock that it becomes a problem. Then docking MFD just refuses to display anything but \"Device not available.\"As to the suggestions some people made about attitude MFD, I did find it recently and have been playing around with it, and its relative velocity features are good, but it doesn't seem to do as well as docking MFD for relative orientation. Also, unlike docking MFD, it doesn't have the \"bring target up on HUD\" feature, which I very much like.", "thread_id": 1406 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.674344448Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-07-28T16:52:56+0100", "id": "13f5ca73b067e72e8b7ecb34dfadb905", "post_id": "post-69102", "text": "GLS said::sos: Anyone has a list of the data in the VDT (Vehicle Data Table)??? I have around 20-25 (of 128 fields) taken from the docs posted above...\n\nNo, I have a complete set of downlist data for the RMS, and many variables recorded by the GNC sensors, but I doubt I can give you a full VDT.GLS said::sos:Also about the start enable\/shutdown enable and start\/shutdown cmds: my understanding is that they have to be sequential (ex. start enable, start). Any other cmd after the start enable will \"reset\" the enable... can anyone confirm this?\n\nNo, does not make sense to me... If I see the diagram correctly, multiple GPCs issue the commands to the EIUs. So, there can be 3 commands of start enable, and 3 start commands from 4 GPCs reaching the three independent channels of the engine controller. (2 directly, 1 over a FIFO transmitting the first command and deadfacing the second).All three commands in a frame get voted by the DCU A (or DCU B, if active).There are 50 frames per second.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.146718208Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-27T19:32:11+0100", "id": "ed1fe3f4f3c4362e146e9a0c36cd2853", "post_id": "post-219652", "text": "Sar said:I just laughed at the name, they could've used a bit of imagination:D\"EuropeanExtremely large telescope\" Now I'm just waiting E-BMR \"European big mars rocket\"\n\nThe observatory will be constructed on Cerro Armazones, a 3,000m-high mountain inChile's Atacama Desert\n\nChile's Atacama Desert\n\nChile\n\nNow...I haven't taken geography in a few years, but when did Chile move to Europe?", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560733184Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-05-29T21:47:32+0100", "id": "33eea792f6fdd58cfe0f8807794b5292", "post_id": "post-220373", "text": "T.Neo said:Can't TSTOs come instead?\n\nI assume you mean reusable TSTOs since we already have TSTOs. SpaceX is working on reusable TSTOs. The Air Force is nearly there since they want to make the first stage reusable.However, as is well known SSTO's have the characteristic that if refueled in LEO then they\u00a0can fly to the Moon, land, lift off and fly back to Earth on that one single fuel\u00a0load. This is not true of TSTO's where the upper stage might only get, say, a\u00a0delta-v of 6,000 m\/s.So if one did have his own private, SSTO vehicle, then with propellant depots\u00a0he would also have his own private lunar vehicle.See discussion here:SSTO's would have made possible Arthur C. Clarke's vision of 2001.http:\/\/exoscientist.blogspot.com\/2012\/05\/sstos-would-have-made-possible-arthur-c.htmlBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.267298816Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-09-02T11:22:23+0100", "id": "84a0a06194f48e0d186e369ac81aae40", "post_id": "post-252409", "text": "N_Molson said:I'm sure there's a way to do that with Throton's Proton LV 2.2 :lol:\n\nWould a Progress crush the sats, or the sats would crush Progress in the real life? :lol: Also, the Progress would have to bang the driver's door and scream: \"Please stop! I'm gotta quit here!\" in the middle of the way! :rofl: Holy:probe:!", "thread_id": 16293 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.431379968Z", "author": "simonpro", "date": "2008-05-11T08:59:09+0100", "id": "2e50319ffe257ccdb0e28c78edc7f30d", "post_id": "post-65188", "text": "Just noticed this article linked through the CNN (yes, I know, CNN) website:http:\/\/www.time.com\/time\/world\/article\/0,8599,1739053,00.html?cnn=yesAnyone have opinions on that? Sounds like an absolutely terrible idea IMO", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.561319936Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-06-03T10:08:46+0100", "id": "fa48d4a44266c33e7ae97c230c07ddac", "post_id": "post-220384", "text": "The main problems during fueling of a rocket are cryogen fuels and corrosive fuels. The first are the most annoying, since they require careful thermal conditioning of the tanks if you don't want to destroy the tanks by thermal stress.Corrosive fuels are pretty nasty, if you don't keep things and especially contact plates absolutely clean. Valves are especially vulnerable.the tanking procedure of the ISS for example, is still taking many hours of careful operations: And that just for maximal 1700 kg propellant, which is only corrosive.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.54570368Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-09-02T17:17:00+0100", "id": "3e8853843c2987b50369417c4fd8e637", "post_id": "post-252877", "text": "i got a BSOD on lvl5... that was on my work rig, GeForce9500... :shrug:", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.48704256Z", "author": "MikeB", "date": "2010-04-30T14:39:00+0100", "id": "e0f0e2f081833c375c48ed750e86f620", "post_id": "post-219987", "text": "And to keep it straight, a naval architect once told me, \"You can put a boat on a ship, but you can't put a ship on a boat.\" :huh:", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586619648Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-17T15:30:57+0100", "id": "5d97ee98c8c84bd0a3e853171587cd00", "post_id": "post-220250", "text": "The increasing problem of space junk is getting greater discussion recently:Space junk at 'tipping point', now getting worse on its own.More collisions generate more debris, so more collisions.By Gavin ClarkePosted in Space, 2nd September 2011 11:18 GMThttp:\/\/www.theregister.co.uk\/2011\/09\/02\/space_junk_danger\/One company is planning on reusable in-space vehicles to refuel and service satellites. The Air Force favors this since this may also be used to tow inactive satellites out the way of operable satellites, thus reducing the problem of space debris:Article:World's First Space Gas Station for Satellites to Launch in 2015.by Clara Moskowitz, SPACE.com Senior WriterDate: 15 March 2011 Time: 06:03 PM ET\"Until now, satellites orbiting around Earth have been limited by how much fuel they carry onboard. Once those tanks run dry, the satellites die, sometimes languishing in space as uncontrollable debris that then poses the risk of colliding with other spacecraft.\"The new plan offers the potential not just to extend the lives of working satellites, but to help combat the growing space junk problem. The satellite, called the Space Infrastructure Servicing (SIS) vehicle, is designed not just to transfer more fuel into existing satellites, but to inspect, tow, reposition and make minor repairs to them.\"In addition to its tank of fuel, the refueling satellite will carry a robotic arm that can be used to grab onto satellites and tug at stuck solar array panels, for example, or attempt other minor fixes to broken parts.'This is a first-time-ever, huge, huge, huge event,' said Andrew Palowitch, director of the Space Protection Program, a joint project of U.S. Air Force Space Command and the National Reconnaissance Office, speaking at a National Research Council workshop on orbital debrislast week.\"Palowitch stressed that the ability to tow or refuel dead satellites in order to steer them out of the way would have a big impact on the growing problem of dangerous space debris clogging the crowded corridors of Earth orbit. [Worst Space Debris Events of All Time]'In the context of debris removal, this is the absolute best and absolute most fantastic new venture for the entire space community,' he said.\"The refueling satellite will be able to move dead spacecraft to what's called the 'graveyard orbit,' where they are high enough that they should not pose a risk to working satellites, or maneuver them low enough that they break apart in Earth's atmosphere.\"http:\/\/www.space.com\/11135-satellite-refueling-mission-space-debris.htmlThen the Air Force recognizes the usefulness of reusable vehicles, when they are in-space. However, the importance of reusable SSTO's is that they could also return these satellites to Earth for repair or salvage.Remember the old science fiction series Salvage 1:Salvage 1.[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Salvage_1\"]Salvage 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]The theme of the show was a small \"home made\" spaceship was used to return space junk to Earth. I used to think the show was quite implausible because the spaceship went all the way to the Moon and everybody \"knows\" it takes huge Saturn V sized rockets to do that.However, as I discussed in post#136small, low cost SSTO's are indeed possible. And it is a known fact that if you have refueling in LEO then an SSTO can go all the way to the Moon, land, take off, and return to Earth on that one single refueling. So in fact the idea of salvaging spacecraft or satellites from the Moon and\/or from GEO is feasible with SSTO's and on-orbit propellant depots.Then this provides another financial benefit for SSTO's for private developers and for the Air Force. Imagine being able to retrieve satellites, the largest of which can cost upwards of a billion dollars, for reuse or possibly for sale. This does though raise the question of what would be the salvage laws for space.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.727694848Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2011-11-27T10:44:02+0000", "id": "4506783bd72804c9827afca59c47df1b", "post_id": "post-251299", "text": "I have to say this and Juno are the most exciting missions of the year for me.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.635216128Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-02T21:20:20+0100", "id": "209db7db9b8558021b8cd70bb8cb240f", "post_id": "post-220561", "text": "I definitely want in on this.I also like Urwumpe's idea for the UMMU.:)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6135552Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-07T00:43:49+0100", "id": "2ab705e82883c43f0e50762ab9d0009b", "post_id": "post-220727", "text": "Wolfer said:It's the Nerva-2 without it's external tanks.\n\nDerp.:pI should have known that.I'm not sure how we're going to go about constructing an underground base. How many custom addons are we planning on making here? Assuming no one wants to drag the whole Clavius mesh out to Mars, I assume it will be a UCGO cargo that unpacks downwards? I spend all my Orbiter time in space, so I hardly know anything about surface bases. I'll leave the dirtside planning to you guys.:salute:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.761590272Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-07-19T17:29:29+0100", "id": "a5170b7f042d4921a3bc2effe8106284", "post_id": "post-251401", "text": "realtime + 13.8 minutes\n\nmh no, the signals will take 7 minutes to travel from Mars to Earth. The spacecraft will send the data, so that we will know \"real-time + 7 minutes\" what happenedthere;)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.649531392Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-10T08:50:31+0100", "id": "9b80f359668405425bbb792b7e8784ca", "post_id": "post-221025", "text": "Bloodworth said:Not griping, but when I proposed the mission, I suggested the use of the dg's or xr2's so that a) we would have a lander that most every pilot in the rotation knew how to fly, and b) so that we would not have to custom model EVERYTHING.\n\nWell, the custom models are the bigger problem. More important is IMHO that the flight model of the lander does not have so much fairy dust, that the desired rest of the mission design becomes futile: A XR5 could do the whole Mars mission with reasonable payload, it is unrealistic enough for that.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.823006208Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-28T22:54:39+0100", "id": "fa7fe5b8325b1777e036535fc9a21cf0", "post_id": "post-219414", "text": "The biggest threat probably is that a truly advanced civilization I mean like 2+ level on Kardashev scale could wipe us out accidentally like a guy tasked to clear a bush with bulldozer don't care about ant nests he runs over. Hoverer I think we can reasonably sure say there is no such civilization in our galactic neighborhood because it would cause all sorts of weird astronomical phenomena unexplainable with natural stellar processes.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.765749248Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-30T23:49:38+0100", "id": "09f1ba6c2d300c215a7b0d523a924542", "post_id": "post-251430", "text": "NASA News Release:RELEASE : 12-258William Shatner and Wil Wheaton Narrate New NASA Mars Curiosity Rover VideoJuly 30, 2012WASHINGTON -- As NASA prepares for next week's Curiosity rover landing on Mars, William Shatner and Wil Wheaton share this thrilling story of NASA's hardest planetary science mission to date. The video titled, \"Grand Entrance,\" guides viewers from entry through descent, and after landing.The video will be used at events around the country and shared on the web and social media. The goal is to educate the public about Curiosity and build awareness about the landing at 1:31 a.m. EDT, Aug. 6.Shatner and Wheaton each provide their own unique narration to the video allowing a wider range of audiences to be reached. The actors are icons to sci-fi fans worldwide through their work on Star Trek. Shatner remains a pop culture phenomenon with more than 50 years of stage, television and film experience, while Wheaton not only is a successful actor, but a writer who possesses a huge social media fan base.\"Shatner and Wheaton are mavericks in inspiring film, TV and social media audiences about space,\" said Bert Ulrich, NASA's multimedia liaison for film and TV collaborations. \"NASA is thrilled to have them explain a difficult landing sequence in accessible terms that can be understood by many. Thanks to their generous support, Mars exploration will reach Tweeters, Trekkies and beyond!\"{...}[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-0QZ3js9_uY\"]Wil Wheaton and the Grand Entrance - YouTube[\/ame]Universe Today:Curiosity\u2019s Grand Entrance with Star Trek\u2019s William Shatner and Wil Wheaton \u2013 Video Duet", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.090484224Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2013-12-17T07:43:14+0000", "id": "5801c25a9aa7c40c5679c742494cede4", "post_id": "post-219591", "text": "The mountain looks like a skull.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.089462528Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2013-05-16T06:29:16+0100", "id": "61dfb8f2288b16a748a57f7a356e8e07", "post_id": "post-219583", "text": "I will get training on how to calibrate the MER's Pancam soon, so there's that. I wonder if any pictures from Opportunity could be considered as my work in the future, but I don't even remember the tiny amount I read about calibrating the Pancam.Butterflies from a few days ago:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.007346944Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-30T20:18:38+0000", "id": "0586aef4eca9368dc22488d7247fa439", "post_id": "post-251980", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Rover's First Soil Studies Help Fingerprint Martian MineralsOctober 30, 2012PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars rover Curiosity has completed initial experiments showing the mineralogy of Martian soil is similar to weathered basaltic soils of volcanic origin in Hawaii.The minerals were identified in the first sample of Martian soil ingested recently by the rover. Curiosity used its Chemistry and Mineralogy instrument (CheMin) to obtain the results, which are filling gaps and adding confidence to earlier estimates of the mineralogical makeup of the dust and fine soil widespread on the Red Planet.\"We had many previous inferences and discussions about the mineralogy of Martian soil,\" said David Blake of NASA Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif., who is the principal investigator for CheMin. \"Our quantitative results provide refined and in some cases new identifications of the minerals in this first X-ray diffraction analysis on Mars.\"{colsp=3}Click on images for details\u200b||First X-ray View of Martian Soil\u200bThis graphic shows results of the first analysis of Martian soil by the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) experiment on NASA's Curiosity rover. The image reveals the presence of crystalline feldspar, pyroxenes and olivine mixed with some amorphous (non-crystalline) material. The soil sample, taken from a wind-blown deposit within Gale Crater, where the rover landed, is similar to volcanic soils in Hawaii. The colors in the graphic represent the intensity of the X-rays, with red being the most intense.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Ames\u200b|Olivine on Earth\u200bThe Martian soil examined by the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover shows the diffraction signature, or \"fingerprint,\" of the mineral olivine, shown here on Earth in the form of tumbled crystals about a quarter-inch (several millimeters) in size. The semi-precious gem peridot is a variety of olivine.Image credit: Caltech\u200b|X-ray Diffraction, Big and Small\u200bA conventional X-ray diffraction instrument (left) is the size of a large refrigerator, in contrast to the compact size of the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover (top right) and the spin-off commercial portable instrument (lower right, orange case). Both of the more compact X-ray diffraction instruments were made possible by NASA technology innovations. The CheMin instrument is a cube of about 10 inches (25 centimeters) on each side. It is shown here in the red circle as technicians install it on the rover in the cleanroom at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.Image credit: NASA\/Ames\/JPL-Caltech\u200b||Detector for CheMin\u200bThis charged couple device (CCD) is part of the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover. When CheMin directs X-rays at a sample of soil, this imager, which is the size of a postage stamp, detects both the position and energy of each X-ray photon. The technology in this CCD was originally developed by NASA and has become widely used in commercial digital cameras.Image credit: NASA\/Ames\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Shake it up, CheMin\u200bThis image shows the cells that hold the soil samples that are vibrated by the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover.Image credit: NASA\/Ames\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Curiosity Digs In\u200bThis pair of images shows a \"bite mark\" where NASA's Curiosity rover scooped up some Martian soil (left), and the scoop carrying soil. The first scoop sample was taken from the \"Rocknest\" patch of dust and sand on Oct. 7, 2012, the 61st sol, or Martian day, of operations. A third scoop sample was collected on Oct. 15, or Sol 69, and deposited into the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instrument on Oct. 17, or Sol 71.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200bUnannotated version\u200b|||Wind-Blown Martian Sand\u200bThis pair of images from the Mast Camera on NASA's Curiosity rover shows the upper portion of a wind-blown deposit dubbed \"Rocknest.\" The rover team recently commanded Curiosity to take a scoop of soil from a region located out of frame, below this view. The soil was then analyzed with the Chemistry and Mineralogy instrument, or CheMin.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200b|The identification of minerals in rocks and soil is crucial for the mission's goal to assess past environmental conditions. Each mineral records the conditions under which it formed. The chemical composition of a rock provides only ambiguous mineralogical information, as in the textbook example of the minerals diamond and graphite, which have the same chemical composition, but strikingly different structures and properties.CheMin uses X-ray diffraction, the standard practice for geologists on Earth using much larger laboratory instruments. This method provides more accurate identifications of minerals than any method previously used on Mars. X-ray diffraction reads minerals' internal structure by recording how their crystals distinctively interact with X-rays. Innovations from Ames led to an X-ray diffraction instrument compact enough to fit inside the rover.These NASA technological advances have resulted in other applications on Earth, including compact and portable X-ray diffraction equipment for oil and gas exploration, analysis of archaeological objects and screening of counterfeit pharmaceuticals, among other uses.\"Our team is elated with these first results from our instrument,\" said Blake. \"They heighten our anticipation for future CheMin analyses in the months and miles ahead for Curiosity.\"The specific sample for CheMin's first analysis was soil Curiosity scooped up at a patch of dust and sand that the team named Rocknest. The sample was processed through a sieve to exclude particles larger than 0.006 inch (150 micrometers), roughly the width of a human hair. The sample has at least two components: dust distributed globally in dust storms and fine sand originating more locally. Unlike conglomerate rocks Curiosity investigated a few weeks ago, which are several billion years old and indicative of flowing water, the soil material CheMin has analyzed is more representative of modern processes on Mars.\"Much of Mars is covered with dust, and we had an incomplete understanding of its mineralogy,\" said David Bish, CheMin co-investigator with Indiana University in Bloomington. \"We now know it is mineralogically similar to basaltic material, with significant amounts of feldspar, pyroxene and olivine, which was not unexpected. Roughly half the soil is non-crystalline material, such as volcanic glass or products from weathering of the glass. \"Bish said, \"So far, the materials Curiosity has analyzed are consistent with our initial ideas of the deposits in Gale Crater recording a transition through time from a wet to dry environment. The ancient rocks, such as the conglomerates, suggest flowing water, while the minerals in the younger soil are consistent with limited interaction with water.\"{...}NASA News Release:RELEASE : 12-383 - NASA Rover's First Soil Studies Help Fingerprint Martian MineralsScience Daily:Mars Like Hawaii? NASA Rover's First Soil Studies Help Fingerprint Martian Minerals", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.12925056Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2017-03-25T05:34:50+0000", "id": "50323cdf003a00e3f6da471f034a4d89", "post_id": "post-219625", "text": "Hey, anyone remember this thread?:cool:Lately my photography has taken a turn towards something new for me. I've developed an interest in suburban...blandness? Not sure what to call it. Photographing kind of glum-looking scenes of mild hopelessness. Grey skies and cold, damp weather, love it. I've always shot and printed black and white, which I think lends itself to this sort of thing. Gotta love that silver grain.With a photo like this, where the subject is not what most people would find interesting to look at in real life, the trick is to compose it well and print it well, so it draws the viewer in. Of all the ones I've been shooting, this one is one of my favorites. The detail in the grass and on the telephone pole, the composition with the power lines and sidewalk and distant buildings, and the contrast and grain are interesting to me. Click on it for full size.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.518403328Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-01T10:42:46+0100", "id": "10533459c5cf9d66f4eff849269da01f", "post_id": "post-220047", "text": "Not to forget the great strides in gas-turbine powered saloons:http:\/\/www.rover.org.nz\/pages\/jet\/jet5.htm[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One should also realise that everyone was learning at the time - it was a miracle if the engine ran at all; test-bed operators were unmarried volunteers![\/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A typical sequence from a notebook -[\/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1st test:satisfactory light-up, no oil pressure.[\/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2nd test:no light-up.[\/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3rd test:engine exploded.[\/FONT]\n\nPioneering stuff.N.", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.25284224Z", "author": "gattispilot", "date": "2010-08-31T16:53:18+0100", "id": "22d8a174902851c4cc1515459bb3d8ae", "post_id": "post-252387", "text": "It's probability good for release need more doc and images for scenario editor. Not gotten that down yet.", "thread_id": 16291 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.668740864Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T17:25:35+0100", "id": "a960010991d5cfabd5e63b83d4ac2ab7", "post_id": "post-220680", "text": "Wolfer said:@ anemazosoI don't think we should go the way of centrifuges for artificial gravity. They are a maintenance technician's nightmare. Instead, we should make the stack longer, which would also reduce the need for shielding from the engine, and spin it along the lateral axis. I also like your idea of using the lander's heat shield for aerobraking. But if we use something else than a capsule it won't work. Perhaps we could bring along an inflatable heatshield?\n\nSomething like the Leonov's shield from 2010?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.632402176Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-19T00:23:52+0100", "id": "03ae2549182b1a47b8962db251abcbf2", "post_id": "post-220896", "text": "Urwumpe said:Look for SNAP-10 as reference.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/SNAP-10Aor what NASA researches today:http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Safe_Affordable_Fission_Engine\n\nAhha, so thats what it will look like.Izack said:There sure aren't a shortage of XR\/Glider pilots.Of course, I'm not sure how the larger modules are getting to the surface. Will a helicopter work on Mars?Also, I found another interplanetary engine (Cosmos V2.0) which I have yet to test. It may be too big, just looking at the screenshot, but I'll give it a whirl. Hispa is doing it in another thread as we speak, as well.\n\nRight now we don't actually need pilots so much, we are hurting for models. I'am going to try doing sand dunes, very basic and easy... dirt:)I updated theOFMM wikion required models---------- Post added at 04:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:21 PM ----------Pablo49 said:No, more likeYouTube- Mars Science Laboratory (Full). Referring to the platform that holds the rover by cables, drops the rover and then flies away. Similar concept but with the our CM instead of a rover. Also similar to what was on the lander Urwumpe linked earlier. (really don't feel like flipping through so many pages to find it.;))\n\n..was being sarcastic about the helicopter. Helicopters need air to lift and there is little air at LMO... but I guess it didn't convey well enough :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.9240704Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:54:32+0100", "id": "7739ed1621cd1d6e9465429fb2629751", "post_id": "post-251644", "text": "Congrats to Nasa TV and Eyes! A great experience overall. Better than any summer blockbuster movie.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.636034816Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-19T16:03:25+0100", "id": "ab8d32175388e00564a80a32d8c8ae01", "post_id": "post-220909", "text": "We should be currently somewhere between \"Pre-Phase A\" and \"Phase A\", since we are still brainstorming a lot and have not all requirements for a normal Phase A fulfilled. Also we don't really need a full Phase B, since we can tolerate easier to restructure parts of the project before we start flying. Once the basic architecture and requirements are done, we can enter Phase C (united), which would be the actual development for us. Phase D would be pretty useless for us, we would go directly to fly the blueprints.;)And yes, the old Mars probes sound good for me. Maybe we can find Beagle 2...or its crater.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.640894464Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-21T05:45:51+0100", "id": "24630e35da0b91b1530c628e8bdcaab5", "post_id": "post-220952", "text": "Yes, I'd like to put off any further decisions on these things until we arrive at that part of the plan.As it is, I'm pooped for tonight, and much of tomorrow (which I have off, w00t.) I'll probably post some pictures of the cargo meshes (a basic 1.3m^3 cube, and label and a little Martian weathering if I get around to it. No promises yet:p)After that, I'll start messing around with launching the Ares V. I need to practice up before construction starts (if and when, of course.)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.925424384Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T07:06:01+0100", "id": "9d05e3b59d95d99b89ccf55d6fec6535", "post_id": "post-251653", "text": "In celebration I'm giving everyone a day off work tomorrow. Just made the phone calls.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6426048Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-23T20:33:42+0100", "id": "40a1d231723ba5150eccccc0d5d2bbe3", "post_id": "post-220962", "text": "Bj said::eek:wned:ok while I soak that in...:)We have the ship design for simulating gravity.Another thing to think about is radiation, for both being on Mars, and en route to\/from. Other than putting lead all around a capsule or some other radiation shield material, I saw these;http:\/\/www.barringer1.com\/mil_files\/NASA-SP-8054.pdfhttp:\/\/science.nasa.gov\/science-news\/science-at-nasa\/2005\/24jun_electrostatics\/Think this 'force field for astronautics' is plausible? Or what other methods of radiation protection are we offering? ...or are we going to worry about it at all?Next, we have several months on Mars, what science experiments are we going to be doing there? Since our stay is so long, we can be doing quite a few simulated experiments I imagine. We already have the idea of sampling soil and bring back samples in form of elements. Any other ideas? (please realistic experiments)We might just bestartingby then... :thumbup:\n\nRe: The radiation question:From:http:\/\/www.reactionengines.co.uk\/downloads\/mars_troy.pdfA1.2 Radiation ProtectionThese issues are very complex and require a very detailed study. It may be that the radiationissues will dictate the age and sex of the crew members. Here the discussion is limited to overalldescription of the problem and proposed solutions.Cosmic Ray BackgroundThe mean particle energy is around 4000MeV\/nucleon with an energy range of 102 \u2013 1011 MeV.The flux is isotropic and constant. This represents a background dose rate of 5 \u2013 12 rem\/year,mainly by secondary radiation generated in the surrounding structure, which would beacceptable. However there would be about 6 primary \u2018hits\u2019\/cm3 of tissue per day by heavy nuclei.Careful shielding with equipment and furnishings would reduce these by an order of magnitude.Van Allen Belts of EarthThese are very intense belts of electrons and protons trapped in the Earths magnetic field. Theywill be traversed four times by the crews on the Troy mission and are not considered to representa serious danger.\n\nI'm no expert, but 5-12 rem\/year seems low for a Mars trip?N.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.655012864Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-06-14T01:54:15+0100", "id": "e7f2f24a6e957246b7b3f847efd8a1f3", "post_id": "post-221078", "text": "With content spread through out this thread and several topics in the social group, perhaps it's best if you guys pool the content from them all and come up with an idea of what and how many threads to create in the new forum.I can make it so only those running the project can create new threads in the forum, but anyone would be able to post replies to those threads. If you prefer however, by default, anyone would be able to post threads in the forum and post replies as usual.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.5198464Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-09-02T03:10:13+0100", "id": "400f6c019475bcf9dad98454316ef4fe", "post_id": "post-252764", "text": "I don't know dude, Saturn may be a bit far-reaching right now. We're sort of stuck in the development of the Mars mission right now, there is a lot of \"hardware\" to work through. The \"Lite\" missions are underway, though.Although if you plan something out, I'm sure there are some Orbinauts here that would fly along for the ride with you.Flying to Saturn is a neat thing to do though. But one of the problems with the outer planets is it's a loooooong way out there. I took a James Cook out to Neptune, it seemed to take forever, even with max time accel. (but I will try it again sometime when my wife is out with her friends).Also, one of the guys is heading up a Venus trip, he's playing his cards close to his chest for now though. I do wonder what those guys are up to...:hmm:", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56105344Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2012-06-02T20:57:33+0100", "id": "181757cbe76392afc54fd34841b89783", "post_id": "post-220379", "text": "Cras said:How safe do you see refueling in orbit? or any \"wild\" environment. NASA made it seem like such a delicate process when tanking the Space Shuttle, I always wondered how feasible it would be to fuel up space craft out in space, considering both the environment, and the fact that the crew has to be the ones doing it. Fuel type has something to do with it as well I would imagine.\n\nQ: How do you handle an explosive device?A: Carefullly.It's less to do with the delicacy of the procedure itself and more to do with the fact that you're transporting large amounts of highly volatile substances. Refuelling in orbit may actually be safer in the sense that there is less chance of a stray spark or cigarette-butt blowing the whole pad to kingdom come and that a space-suited astronaut has little to fear from toxic fumes.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66304768Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T06:51:43+0100", "id": "1e707f28cb1687e3ccd3421379265c0e", "post_id": "post-220627", "text": "Ashaman42 said:One problem I noticed with VesselStack is that even in the default scenario as shown in the photo is that if for some reason the two DGs acting as engines end up with different fuel levels is that you get a lot of twisting under thrust due to the CoG being off centre.Though I guess that's more realistic so not necessarily a bad thing.\n\nThat could be averted by using a single engine, as we probably were going to do anyway:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3865\"]NERVA 2[\/nomedia]I don't want to throw the single vessel completely out, though.I would like to see some station-building in this project, but launching and building a stack just takes too much focus away from the flight itself.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.998752512Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-28T11:04:54+0100", "id": "81109c013bd1724c0299747360ac0c90", "post_id": "post-251895", "text": "NASA \/ JPL:NASA Rover Returns Voice and Telephoto Views from MarsFirst Recorded Voice from MarsFlorida Today:Curiosity beams back first human voice transmission from another planetNASA's Bolden introduces himself from MarsSPACE.com:NASA to Broadcast 1st Song from Mars TuesdayMars Rover Sends Amazing Photos, 1st Human Voice from Red PlanetCBS News Space:Mars rover beams back spectacular photos of Mount SharpDiscover Magazine - Bad Astronomy:Curiosity looks SharpSpaceRef:Telephoto Views From Martian Surface", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.635017728Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T21:17:52+0100", "id": "92857e660434da7795bc473b187c7795", "post_id": "post-220560", "text": "Ok, scratch Orulex off the list.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.833686784Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-04-27T00:42:47+0100", "id": "90220dfeeabca3c958a09f0a99704c2a", "post_id": "post-219442", "text": "A detailed interior for the SkyLab addon.", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.004174592Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-04T19:56:38+0100", "id": "ed480a3ed90b24eb05914261573f66ac", "post_id": "post-251948", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Mars Curiosity Rover Prepares to Study Martian SoilOctober 04, 2012PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Curiosity rover is in a position on Mars where scientists and engineers can begin preparing the rover to take its first scoop of soil for analysis.Curiosity is the centerpiece of the two-year Mars Science Laboratory mission. The rover's ability to put soil samples into analytical instruments is central to assessing whether its present location on Mars, called Gale Crater, ever offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life. Mineral analysis can reveal past environmental conditions. Chemical analysis can check for ingredients necessary for life.\"We now have reached an important phase that will get the first solid samples into the analytical instruments in about two weeks,\" said Mission Manager Michael Watkins of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. \"Curiosity has been so well-behaved that we have made great progress during the first two months of the mission.\"{colsp=3}Click on images for details\u200b||Wheel Scuff Mark at 'Rocknest'\u200bNASA's Mars rover Curiosity cut a wheel scuff mark into a wind-formed ripple at the \"Rocknest\" site to give researchers a better opportunity to examine the particle-size distribution of the material forming the ripple.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Curiosity's Travels Through Sol 56\u200bThis map shows the route driven by NASA's Mars rover Curiosity through the 56th Martian day, or sol, of the rover's mission on Mars (Oct. 2, 2012).Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Univ. of Arizona\u200b|View on the Way to 'Glenelg'\u200bThis 360-degree panorama from NASA's Mars rover Curiosity shows the rocky terrain surrounding it as of its 55th Martian day, or sol, of the mission (Oct. 1, 2012). The base of Mount Sharp can be seen at upper left.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b||'Rocknest' From Sol 52 Location\u200bThis patch of windblown sand and dust downhill from a cluster of dark rocks is the \"Rocknest\" site, which has been selected as the likely location for first use of the scoop on the arm of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200b|CHIMRA: Scoops, Sieves and Delivers Samples\u200bThis false-color engineering drawing shows the Collection and Handling for In-Situ Martian Rock Analysis (CHIMRA) device, attached to the turret at the end of the robotic arm on NASA's Curiosity Mars rover.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Internal Chambers of CHIMRA\u200bThis cutaway view shows the internal chambers of the Collection and Handling for In-Situ Martian Rock Analysis (CHIMRA) device, attached to the turret at the end of the robotic arm on NASA's Curiosity Mars rover.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bThe rover's preparatory operations will involve testing its robotic scooping capabilities to collect and process soil samples. Later, it also will use a hammering drill to collect powdered samples from rocks. To begin preparations for a first scoop, the rover used one of its wheels Wednesday to scuff the soil to expose fresh material.Next, the rover twice will scoop up some soil, shake it thoroughly inside the sample-processing chambers to scrub the internal surfaces, then discard the sample. Curiosity will scoop and shake a third measure of soil and place it in an observation tray for inspection by cameras mounted on the rover's mast. A portion of the third sample will be delivered to the mineral-identifying chemistry and mineralogy (CheMin) instrument inside the rover. From a fourth scoopful, samples will be delivered to both CheMin and to the sample analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument, which identifies chemical ingredients.\"We're going to take a close look at the particle size distribution in the soil here to be sure it's what we want,\" said Daniel Limonadi of JPL, lead systems engineer for Curiosity's surface sampling and science system. \"We are being very careful with this first time using the scoop on Mars.\"The rinse-and-discard cycles serve a quality-assurance purpose similar to a common practice in geochemical laboratory analysis on Earth.\"It is standard to run a split of your sample through first and dump it out, to clean out any residue from a previous sample,\" said JPL's Joel Hurowitz, a sampling system scientist on the Curiosity team. \"We want to be sure the first sample we analyze is unambiguously Martian, so we take these steps to remove any residual material from Earth that might be on the walls of our sample handling system.\"Rocknest is the name of the area of soil Curiosity will test and analyze. The rover pulled up to the windblown, sandy and dusty location Oct. 2. The Rocknest patch is about 8 feet by 16 feet (2.5 meters by 5 meters). The area provides plenty of area for scooping several times. Diverse rocks nearby provide targets for investigation with the instruments on Curiosity's mast during the weeks the rover is stationed at Rocknest for this first scooping campaign.Curiosity's motorized, clamshell-shaped scoop is 1.8 inches (4.5 centimeters) wide, 2.8 inches (7 centimeters) long, and can sample to a depth of about 1.4 inches (3.5 centimeters). It is part of the collection and handling Martian rock analysis (CHIMRA) device on a turret of tools at the end of the rover's arm. CHIMRA also includes a series of chambers and labyrinths for sorting, sieving and portioning samples collected by the scoop or by the arm's percussive drill.Following the work at Rocknest, the rover team plans to drive Curiosity about 100 yards (about 100 meters) eastward into the Glenelg area and select a rock as the first target for use of its drill.{...}NASA News Release:RELEASE : 12-348 - NASA Mars Curiosity Rover Prepares to Study Martian SoilSpaceRef:Curiosity Prepares to Study Martian SoilSPACE.com:Curiosity Rover to Scoop Up 1st Mars Samples This WeekendThe Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity Update, sol 57: Digging in at RocknestCBS News Space:Curiosity gets the scoop on MarsScience Daily:NASA Mars Curiosity Rover Prepares to Study Martian SoilDiscovery News:Mars Rover Ready to Scoop Sand: Big PicUniverse Today:Curiosity Set for 1st Martian Scooping at \u2018Rocknest\u2019 Ripple", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.141812736Z", "author": "David413", "date": "2010-04-30T13:25:46+0100", "id": "47cf6fc42d16636cf5d5ccca94e7bc8f", "post_id": "post-219641", "text": "tblaxland said:Ah, yes the playback scenarios! I forgot about those. AtlantisOnline, I highly recommend watching those. You should be able to get the hang of it from there. The scenarios are located in the top level Playback folder, not in the Shuttle Fleet folder. After watching those come back with specific questions if you have them.\n\nExactly! As I've mentioned several times now, I find it very discouraging to write the documentation that I have provided, only to answer questions that have already been answered in the documentation, if people would just take the time toreadit first! The expansion pack manual specifically tells the user to open the \"Playback\" directory in the main scenario folder display on the launchpad controls.", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902809088Z", "author": "tori", "date": "2010-04-29T15:20:53+0100", "id": "6a257a85b3f5e7cfa34008ede5a2713d", "post_id": "post-219478", "text": "The infrared radiation coming from the five F-1 engines of the Saturn V flash ignited the grass around the launch pad during most lift-offs. And that was just a measly 263 s of Isp. A fusion drive would really be slice of hell. An ion drive is ludicrously hot as well, but the actual power flowing into it is low, and therefore so is the heat coming out.If the engines are canted outwards, then the reduction in efficiency has to be taken into account when deciding between a puller\/pusher configuration - I'd imagine the net delta-v would go down with the cosine of the angle the engines are canted out at. At some point it would be probably better to invest some mass into a truss and parallel engines (\u03b1=0\u00b0) instead of losing a third of your delta-v to angling the drive (\u03b1=45\u00b0) in an attempt to avoid the plume.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.130331648Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-08-29T22:34:17+0100", "id": "ec19ca29917c3ae184fca17674038a48", "post_id": "post-252271", "text": "Just saw this on slashdot a few days ago, a pretty awesome visualisation to be sure. It just gives you a sense of scale when you keep in mind that even with all those asteroids, a random transfer orbit through the asteroid belt still gives you a practically zero probability of coming close to an asteroid.", "thread_id": 16276 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.48205824Z", "author": "Pilot7893", "date": "2010-04-30T13:16:50+0100", "id": "541bede28e60176f77145c797ae38fd7", "post_id": "post-219968", "text": "Because kids these days don't take video games seriously enough already.*points at MW2 and CS:S*", "thread_id": 14067 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.52857728Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-05-02T20:40:47+0100", "id": "2c6218f8a7ae4bc6a0554cd171035eea", "post_id": "post-220067", "text": "in fact, Soyuz was kind of build to be automated, right?", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.73341696Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-02-07T20:11:11+0000", "id": "6daa2e13fdd88e0cd0e62580c84265d7", "post_id": "post-251344", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Mars-Bound NASA Rover Carries Coin for Camera CheckupFebruary 07, 2012The camera at the end of the robotic arm on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity has its own calibration target, a smartphone-size plaque that looks like an eye chart supplemented with color chips and an attached penny.When Curiosity lands on Mars in August, researchers will use this calibration target to test performance of the rover's Mars Hand Lens Imager, or MAHLI. MAHLI's close-up inspections of Martian rocks and soil will show details so tiny, the calibration target includes reference lines finer than a human hair. This camera is not limited to close-ups, though. It can focus on any target from about a finger's-width away to the horizon.{colsp=3}Click on images for details\u200b||NASA's Mars rover Curiosity with an inset of an instrument located at the end of it's robotic arm.\u200bNASA's Mars rover Curiosity with an inset showing calibration targets to be used by a camera at the end of the robotic arm.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Contact Instrument Calibration Targets on Mars Rover Curiosity\u200bTwo instruments at the end of the robotic arm on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity will use calibration targets attached to a shoulder joint of the arm.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Lincoln Cent on Mars Rover\u200bThe Lincoln penny in this photograph is part of a camera calibration target attached to NASA's Mars rover Curiosity, which is on track for a landing on Mars the night of Aug. 5 to Aug. 6, 2012.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b||Full-Scale Image of MAHLI Calibration Target\u200bThis image provides a way to have a full-size printout of the calibration target for the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Calibration Target as Seen by Mars Hand Lens Imager\u200bDuring pre-flight testing, the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity took this image of the MAHLI calibration target from a distance of 3.94 inches (10 centimeters) away from the target.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Malin Space Science Systems\u200b|MAHLI Calibration Target in Ultraviolet Light\u200bDuring pre-flight testing in March 2011, the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity took this image of the MAHLI calibration target under illumination from MAHLI's two ultraviolet LEDs (light emitting diodes).Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Malin Space Science Systems\u200bCuriosity, the rover of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission, also carries four other science cameras and a dozen black-and-white engineering cameras, plus other research instruments. The spacecraft, launched Nov. 26, 2011, will deliver Curiosity to a landing site inside Mars' Gale Crater in August to begin a two-year investigation of whether that area has ever offered an environment favorable for microbial life.The \"hand lens\" in MAHLI's name refers to field geologists' practice of carrying a hand lens for close inspection of rocks they find. When shooting photos in the field, geologists use various calibration methods.\"When a geologist takes pictures of rock outcrops she is studying, she wants an object of known scale in the photographs,\" said MAHLI Principal Investigator Ken Edgett, of Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego. \"If it is a whole cliff face, she'll ask a person to stand in the shot. If it is a view from a meter or so away, she might use a rock hammer. If it is a close-up, as the MAHLI can take, she might pull something small out of her pocket. Like a penny.\"Edgett bought the special penny that's aboard Curiosity with funds from his own pocket. It is a 1909 \"VDB\" cent, from the first year Lincoln pennies were minted, the centennial of Abraham Lincoln's birth, with the VDB initials of the coin's designer - Victor David Brenner -- on the reverse.\"The penny is on the MAHLI calibration target as a tip of the hat to geologists' informal practice of placing a coin or other object of known scale in their photographs. A more formal practice is to use an object with scale marked in millimeters, centimeters or meters,\" Edgett said. \"Of course, this penny can't be moved around and placed in MAHLI images; it stays affixed to the rover.\"The middle of the target offers a marked scale of black bars in a range of labeled sizes. While the scale will not appear in photos MAHLI takes of Martian rocks, knowing the distance from the camera to a rock target will allow scientists to correlate calibration images to each investigation image.Another part of MAHLI's calibration target displays six patches of pigmented silicone as aids for interpreting color and brightness in images. Five of them -- red, green, blue, 40-percent gray and 60-percent gray -- are spares from targets on NASA Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity. The sixth, with a fluorescent pigment that glows red when exposed to ultraviolet light, allows checking of an ultraviolet light source on MAHLI. The fluorescent material was donated to the MAHLI team by Spectra Systems, Inc., Providence, R.I.A stair-stepped area at the bottom of the target, plus the penny, help with three-dimensional calibration using known surface shapes.Curiosity also carries calibration materials for other science instruments on the rover. \"The importance of calibration is to allow data acquired on Mars to be compared reliably to data acquired on Earth,\" said Mars Science Laboratory Project Scientist John Grotzinger, of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena.The MAHLI calibration target, with its penny and a miniscule cartoon of a character named \"Joe the Martian,\" serves an additional function: public engagement.\"Everyone in the United States can recognize the penny and immediately know how big it is, and can compare that with the rover hardware and Mars materials in the same image,\" Edgett said. \"The public can watch for changes in the penny over the long term on Mars. Will it change color? Will it corrode? Will it get pitted by windblown sand?\"The Joe the Martian character appeared regularly in a children's science periodical, \"Red Planet Connection,\" when Edgett directed the Mars outreach program at Arizona State University, Tempe, in the 1990s. Joe was created earlier, as part of Edgett's schoolwork when he was 9 years old and NASA's Mars Viking missions, launched in 1975, were inspiring him to dream of becoming a Mars researcher.Edgett said, \"The Joe the Martian on Curiosity really is a 'thank you' from the MAHLI team to the folks who have provided us with the opportunity to study Mars, the U.S. taxpayers. He is also there to encourage children around the world to set goals that will help them achieve their dreams in whatever interests they pursue.\"{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.576001792Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-03-05T17:16:30+0000", "id": "a80ae9e69f3f96284b874aae9500506b", "post_id": "post-220128", "text": "How has the X-37B accomplished that?It is an orbital vehicle launched on Atlas, that only has orbital manuvering capability... or is there a critical research failure here on my part?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.608619264Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-05-02T10:47:04+0100", "id": "da8a4ee2e0feffd1916c3d28d906e5f9", "post_id": "post-220526", "text": "If you are going to do this then can I suggest getting all the details worked out before hand?There is no point in issuing a mission pack then having a long wait for the next one as it will just discourage people so you really want to have everything ready to go up front.I think it's a great idea and I hope it works out.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.757975296Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-05-08T16:58:31+0100", "id": "5eea36c318e8bf3b8d2be65e628c1d66", "post_id": "post-251371", "text": "Screamer7 said:In fact it is my desktop screen.\n\nSame for me at work, I use the configuration before deployment of the rover as desktop wallpaper there, so I don't get confused with being at home.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.669161216Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-05T21:15:29+0100", "id": "db53af2876f2d3855509016b25ab3541", "post_id": "post-220684", "text": "I support the name Pegasus. Once we decide on the name, I'll make the mission patch.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817201408Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-04-26T18:43:30+0100", "id": "d91d9723352038ccd7f923602dd00b2e", "post_id": "post-219359", "text": "I understand your points, guys, and I would even say that you're in 3\/4rd right (I'm starting to have it with that fuzzy logic already...), but you see, you and I would go there to explore, learn, but other people on the very same planet (unfortunately they would be those who would be funding you) may have other business in mind when it comes to full scale $pace exploration. Just estimate how our source planet is devastated just by looking at the lvl 11 textures of forest around amazon river:p[EDIT]To sum up:1) Have we really evolved into a calm species already? (following your logic)2) So far, have we all evolved equally? (to be able to say \"we evolved\". How much is \"we\"?)", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.765106944Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-28T06:54:36+0100", "id": "354554fd97bf1bca33eb56231099b7f6", "post_id": "post-251426", "text": "Universe Today:T Minus 9 Days \u2013 Mars Orbiters Now in Place to Relay Critical Curiosity Landing SignalsThe Most Epic Curiosity Countdown Clock", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.901919744Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-28T22:29:09+0100", "id": "307b2c4e5d48b2b709bae691c325a3c5", "post_id": "post-219465", "text": "Of course you could build a fancy hull around the truss, but you'd still have to have a truss inside to actually hold the weight at acceleration.\n\nNot necessarily; most launch vehicles are basically structural tubes which are also used as propellant tanks. Some of them have stiffening ribs or an outer skin, but the extreme example is the Atlas I\/II, which used a very thin-skinned pressurized tank as the main structure, using pressurization for stiffness, without which it would crumple like a beer can.So parts of a vehicle can do without a truss if the propellant tanks or crew spaces can handle loads, but the parts of the vehicle which must be long for radiation protection (like 2001's Discovery) will probably be trusses.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.405474816Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-04-29T17:16:39+0100", "id": "11adab61b8673a6e2b301a1e169faba1", "post_id": "post-219802", "text": "*Thread moved from the Orbiter Web Forum to the General Questions & Help forum.*Orbiter Web Forum description:\"A forum for general Orbiter-related comments and discussion. Post your questions about Orbiter and addons in the appropriate forums below.", "thread_id": 14045 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.76705024Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-08-01T00:51:58+0100", "id": "b87b5043e0764a2006ce6f325ff8c880", "post_id": "post-251439", "text": "Keatah said:It flies up, up, and away in my beautiful, my beautiful, balloon..And then crashes some arbitrary distance from the landing site.---------- Post added at 05:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:50 PM ----------http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?NR=1&v=TIxm0Th55Iw\n\nMay the Probe be with him.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.553204992Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-11-13T16:37:42+0000", "id": "79bc4f16f7b47b1c57413103c193ed47", "post_id": "post-220283", "text": "T.Neo said:The fact that Centaur needs to be pressurised to support itself is not problematic, with modern technology the process is automated and alerts are sent to engineers via email.Considering your crusade for the reduction in tank mass, I would have thought you'd have a more positive impression of pressure supported structures.\n\nTrue. I am of two completing minds on the tank pressurization question. On the one hand the X-33 case showed that composite, non-cylindrical tanks under the need to make them lightweight burst when pressurized.On the other hand the Atlas case showed that you can reduce the structural weight of the tanks by making use of the strength obtained by pressurized structures.Still I would like to see what would be the mass of tanks if they did not have to be pressurized.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.392059136Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-04-28T11:24:01+0100", "id": "a712f1e94aabac924d61da113979b3ff", "post_id": "post-219788", "text": "Yes it is. The Nav beacons won't perform an autolanding for you but they will help guide you to the right location.What problems are you having with them?", "thread_id": 14044 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.795581952Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:03:40+0100", "id": "d6ead010009197a61b5972c87640f9e7", "post_id": "post-251525", "text": "2700 miles out.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62152448Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-10T18:09:39+0100", "id": "ca243ff476fb6fa566fde2840a37a244", "post_id": "post-220795", "text": "Though we should also get a Spirit, Opportunity and Pathfinder and viking landing sites area on Mars. I'm not a fan of retrieving them. However I am a fan of some of the missions going to the sites. Study there performance and perhaps leave a memorial plaque at the sites. I Can see retrieving Sojourner rover but not the Spirit or Opportunity due to size and weight constraints.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433064704Z", "author": "ryan", "date": "2008-05-12T00:49:03+0100", "id": "f0fff008be0a9f8ebfc2488f5b6c1336", "post_id": "post-65200", "text": "We can just can Sylvestor Stalone with his Rambo stuff, to sneak into burma and flip there heads over, then we will get Chuck Norris in from the west and so on.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.273597696Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-14T10:21:03+0100", "id": "681da632f3196a289100a817cd181f3d", "post_id": "post-252436", "text": "Are you using Orbiter 2010-P1?", "thread_id": 16295 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.821753856Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-28T19:18:35+0100", "id": "3ec053659c6306f70885d5de71719e4b", "post_id": "post-219404", "text": "I'm critical of these as well. But there are a few aspects of some cases which warrant a closer look. When an \"abductee\" disappears for three days and then is found naked next a dumpster in a catatonic state, for example. Or when scars and bodily harm appear after a supposed \"abduction.\" It may very well all be nonsense, but we should not be so quick to dismiss it.\n\nIs there any reputable proof of such disappearances? Maybe the person got into a drunken stupor and stumbled off into the woods for a few days, etc.I'm sure a lot of those scars might actually have been there beforehand, and were just \"dicovered\" after the incident. I mean, I'm covered in all sorts of little scars and nicks... cat scratches, old graze injuries, etc. And they're not immediately noticable.And the \"implants\" that are mysteriously found within people, with strange properties (like being made of elements such as Iridium that are not found on Earth- which is not true). There isn't any varifiable evidence for them.But then again, most abductees tend to be religiously obsessed with the idea of abduction in the first place...\n\nOr at least they seem to be people who would seem psychologically likely to report experiencing such events.EDIT:Urwumpe beat me.:p", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.637739776Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-20T00:54:36+0100", "id": "51ad5acea55e9d14d63104fc552ac69a", "post_id": "post-220924", "text": "Bloodworth said:Or possibly this monster:Jarvis Heavy Launch Vehicle\n\nIs that totally fictional or does it have some basis in reality?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.453873408Z", "author": "DanM", "date": "2010-09-01T22:11:18+0100", "id": "6e181ba10740714e0d35a53ed9450b93", "post_id": "post-252588", "text": "Thanks for all the kind (and funny) welcomes! XD", "thread_id": 16309 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.567527936Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-19T12:38:52+0000", "id": "1110722272c76a2c83d1a80724c8c433", "post_id": "post-220451", "text": "RGClark said:That SpaceX has described the descent as \"controlled\" and that they believe the spin can be curtailed by extending the landing legs and that the picture released shows the stage just above the ocean in a vertical position suggests the spin was around the longitudinal axis. A spin, or roll, around the longitudinal axis can still prevent the fuel from getting to the engines if the fuel drain from the tanks is under the center of the tank.\n\nControlled has many meanings, as you can imagine when somebody can also talk about a controlled destructive reentry.The stage was not just spinning around its longitudinal axis fast enough to create a strong vortex. It was also tumbling from separation on. It was not controlled in enough constraints to permit an intact landing.Even if the ignition of the last burn was initiated at the right time and altitude, even the trajectory was controlled in the sense of people tracking it.The rocket stage was at no point capable of controlled flight.That flight of the spent rocket stage failed so many test objectives, that it is more than doubtful that the next test can progress in the test schedule, the next test will be a retry of the first set of objectives with improvements to finally complete them.Also \"discussing with SpaceX\" ... where was THAT said there?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.090983936Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2013-12-17T14:25:03+0000", "id": "c69c89076c79ba1d3c73a723c368c282", "post_id": "post-219594", "text": "It's probably compression artifacts or lens aberrations", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.6052352Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-02T21:44:28+0100", "id": "08c0cdcb3747c2331ae1f1dfbfe7cda8", "post_id": "post-252934", "text": "An addon I started to make about 3 months ago but didn't have time to finish. Now I have more free time again and I hope to release it to O-H maybe at the beginning of next week.Long Duration Deep Space Vessel (LDDSV) is big interplanetary spacecraft designed to send large crew (~100 people) on a multi year exploration missions to outer Solar system.Propulsion is electric with variable ISP and thrust powered by advanced fission reactors. Acceleration at higher ISP modes (200 000 m\/s and above) is going to be low ~1 km\/s per day or less depending on ship mass so navigation will be tricky and require careful planning. Propellant is LH2. With on board electrolysis plant it is possible to make H2 from local ice which is plentiful in outer solar system.Here is some imagesgeneral overview.Forward section houses reactors, radiators and propellant tanksEngines and habitation modules placed at the rear shielded from reactors by shadow shields and propellant tanks.main engine testThings to do:Some upgrades to mesh and texturesAdd docking portsAdd RCS exhaust animationsHab and antenna rotation once I figure out how to make animated parts with spacecraft3.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.631533312Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-18T00:07:53+0100", "id": "f82ede765991b6d28d1ed6511392a1da", "post_id": "post-220888", "text": "I decided to use a mix between UCGO cargo boxes and larger prefab modules... it is just better for the start, if some critical buildings are quickly done.For the Command\/Hab module, the plan was to install the whole module as command section on the interplanetary spacecraft, and separate from it in Mars orbit. This way, less mass needs to be hauled around unused. Landing should be first by an inflatable heat shield (along the design of the IRDT, instead of the ballute), then by a skycrane module (just landing engines + enough fuel for flying back to Mars orbit again), that can be reused.The landing areas don't need a special texture, they are just for telling on the map, where to put landing beacons and where to land.A nuclear reactor does not need to be large, there had been one in the Mars Direct project, which had about the same power output as the ISS solar arrays. didn't need large cooling towers, because of the small power output.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.373211904Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-02T02:07:36+0100", "id": "e7f05e81b0c7bca75fc3ac8811b61300", "post_id": "post-219779", "text": "Sigh:(Now to top things off my scenario (which I have had running for about a year now) is disintigrating. It would seem that nothing I have in orbit (ships and even stations that have been in stable orbits since I CREATED the scenario) is able to maintain a stable orbit. All orbital bodies seem to wind up either crashing or getting launched out of orbit. All since I installed Orulex. I turned off Orulex collisions and things SEEMED to be working smoother, but sadly it was not.", "thread_id": 14041 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.873239296Z", "author": "fort", "date": "2012-08-06T06:34:41+0100", "id": "46bcd709b5b0e6257fb76d637279df12", "post_id": "post-251606", "text": "bravo !:tiphat:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.636861952Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-19T23:44:18+0100", "id": "03ef6a3db03ecee7d16f1917dda73bd8", "post_id": "post-220917", "text": "Columbia42 said:The question is, is it safe to land a manned expedition on uneven terrain or do we need to land in a flat place?\n\nWe need some flat terrain, but sure not more than the Apollo missions. We have sure better accuracy than 1970s probes.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.816719872Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T16:50:41+0100", "id": "f721f654922a453967a8beaa960e060c", "post_id": "post-219353", "text": "So it might me possible for an intelligent species to be similar to us.\n\nYes, but notthatsimilar. They might share things like eyes, or legs or arms with us.A good example would be a Prawn. It's a lot like a human in certain fundamental aspects, but very unlike a human in others.They had a similar life so they had a similar form.\n\nThis might be the case, but it won't reproduce the human form. Things like the basic body plan evolve early on, and there's no saying that all sapient organisms will have an evolutionary history similar to ourselves.Because it reduces the stress on the SFX, make-up and costume departments.\n\nAnd the creativity on the creator...It's not a linear progress towards divinity.\n\nDon't confuse evolution with society.I'm not saying that all societies lead toward divinity, just that they would become less opressive.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.976742656Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-07T22:38:31+0100", "id": "caf1b7a72d8e073a3fd313b23d09636f", "post_id": "post-251755", "text": "Furthermore has anyone tried to contact Spirit recently? Stranger things have happened!And it was reported that Sojourner has been wandering around Pathfinder for quite some time after the lander itself kicked the bucket. Could this one still be doing something too?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.81804416Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-26T20:28:58+0100", "id": "347ef6db28b6ee068e84a4e9f4f3cef8", "post_id": "post-219369", "text": "T.Neo said:But that is hardly a reason to invade Earth and pillage our resources.\n\nMaybe they're space hooligans.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.655441408Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-14T04:22:27+0100", "id": "5c8a13de96bc96a66665bec34abb4cb4", "post_id": "post-221084", "text": "Thanks for doing this, Tex. It will really help in the general organization of this project. I agree with Izack in that the social group gets barely any use. Having our own sub-forum will be a major helper :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.440186368Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-09-02T23:11:45+0100", "id": "4f7fa6f06400758f80351ad57b365b7f", "post_id": "post-252561", "text": "orb said:Did you check \"Local light sources\" checkbox at \"General effects\" on \"Visual effects\" tab? Did you switch on any of navigational lights or fire the engine?\n\nNo because my XR vessels are causing my Orbiter to crash", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.092368384Z", "author": "Eccentrus", "date": "2014-03-10T18:40:28+0000", "id": "5453bcd8009c54079fdcace77aed98f0", "post_id": "post-219605", "text": "So I recently bought myself a clean and well maintained Canonet QL17 G-III (1977 production methinks) and started to shoot film again (my last film camera was an Olympus mju-III).Here's some pics from my pre-med prom night. All done in Ilford PAN400, processed by the only black and white processing left in town with Micro-MF", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65564928Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-06-14T21:37:49+0100", "id": "230450fdc1135a48f30522cfec2f55d4", "post_id": "post-221086", "text": "Since the forum is already created with the previous social group discussions, I've closed all threads except for this one until those in charge of the project can organize all the content and post the discussion threads they want open.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.76857728Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-03T23:52:50+0100", "id": "da321fba05e0f2980629243cf58e599c", "post_id": "post-251453", "text": "Ripley said:I'm pretty sure one of the on-board cameras scans the ground during descent to find the optimal touch-down spot.\n\nI'm not so sure that it does. I've read nothing to date that talks about lateral movement with the intent of avoiding objects. MARDI is used (afaik) to zero-out horizontal movement so that the rover is not dragged across the landscape.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.597055232Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-05-04T09:46:43+0100", "id": "7e07f4ec6c7686d64f4e39a4e9fa8148", "post_id": "post-220514", "text": "I've got a book from 1995 where whole U-2 history is covered:\"Sensacje XX Wieku - po II wojnie swiatowej\"by Boguslaw Woloszanski.\"Sensations of XX Century - after II World War\"ISBN: 83-85852-14-XAuthor says that Powers had this coin, gold watches and rings, hunter knive, pistol with silencer, 7500 rubles and a sheet made of silk with stantement:\"I don't have wrong intentions for your nation. You will be rewarded if you help me\" written in 14 languages.According to this book CIA didn't order pilot to use them but suggested that it may be a way out to avoid tortures.Also during this period in NSA there was two agents working for Soviet Union: Bernon F. Mitchell and William H. Martin.They gave flight plan to KGB so Soviets know exactly where Powers would fly.Also in this book there are some photos showing crashed U-2, russian expert showing the needle and photos of gary powers in russian courthouse.", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902018304Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-28T23:11:34+0100", "id": "acfffa67af2955f1ad9956d688f4c077", "post_id": "post-219466", "text": "Not necessarily; most launch vehicles are basically structural tubes which are also used as propellant tanks. Some of them have stiffening ribs or an outer skin, but the extreme example is the Atlas I\/II, which used a very thin-skinned pressurized tank as the main structure, using pressurization for stiffness, without which it would crumple like a beer can.\n\nWe're talking a bit more mass here, though (but probably also a bit less thrust...) .So yes, one could engineer a hull design that doesn't need an internal truss. I doubt it would be as efficient and lightweight as a real truss, but it could certainly be done. And if it is, it will probably be just as uggly... :lol:", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.869411584Z", "author": "Turbo", "date": "2012-08-06T06:29:39+0100", "id": "0c3eee16955931b936c36943283a538f", "post_id": "post-251578", "text": "deployed!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.834455296Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-05-20T03:06:47+0100", "id": "6a71be970bfefae60a33b6c1bd8c22b2", "post_id": "post-219449", "text": "A Saturn V launched Jupiter orbiter from 1967.See:JOVE, Jupiter orbiting vehicle for exploration. Volume 1 - Mission and system study, Final report", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.637476608Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-20T00:46:52+0100", "id": "157d37070eaa21b9c55ba0d9831aab9c", "post_id": "post-220922", "text": "I'll try putting it on top of an Ares V rocket and see how it does.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.050224896Z", "author": "Rocketman379", "date": "2011-11-26T13:24:48+0000", "id": "53d6d47b14c0c7dadf6452b7ec8682e3", "post_id": "post-251245", "text": "Is the launch being covered live on the web dont have access to a tv right now?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.082255104Z", "author": "FordPrefect", "date": "2010-08-07T19:47:55+0100", "id": "7d5e4d6595e5ebe4231f597a8032e685", "post_id": "post-219535", "text": "Alright now.Check this out. That's veeeryyy cool (and sometimes almost eerie):http:\/\/sergey-larenkov.livejournal.com\/:thumbup:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.447204352Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-04-30T03:03:34+0100", "id": "381a0b61eb0664c3351414601b8ec76a", "post_id": "post-219872", "text": "Izack said:And what do you propose we call it? An atmostube? :lol:\n\nNah how about IMFG Isolated magnetic field generator", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.545943808Z", "author": "DarkEnergy", "date": "2010-09-02T17:17:07+0100", "id": "9cc2b6987d142e0d7506fe4d39299406", "post_id": "post-252878", "text": "I was only able to successfully run the level 4 one:Code:GPU Name=NVIDIA GeForce 8200M G\n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 4162637\nWriting bmp\nFinita.Any level after that causes a \"display driver stopped responding and has recovered\" warning. My GPU is pretty bad and is a laptop one, though.", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586269696Z", "author": "Tacolev", "date": "2011-09-14T21:04:09+0100", "id": "af12bf810ff5c2fbb236c4a8a8527024", "post_id": "post-220245", "text": "As a bit of supreme irony, refusal to admit that an aluminum tank would be every bit as light and plenty stronger than a composite tank is what killed the last serious SSTO project--the X-33\/Venturestar. A composite tank can't be any shape you like, and making it fit an aerodynamic profile results in heavy joining sections that make a metal tank lighter and stronger nine times out of ten.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.39318144Z", "author": "haze39", "date": "2010-04-29T13:17:30+0100", "id": "de764537701568a98225d1f9285434a4", "post_id": "post-219795", "text": "I am fully aware of all your suggestions,that is why i experienced with \"slowing\" down the speed at about 60-65 km.altitude,and then activate the LOLA-Mfd,but i quickly discovererd that i winded up landing\/crashing in the middle of nowhere.I just tried this as an experiment of my own,even if i know i need a circular orbit insertion to get the Glider safe back to the base(Earth).But anyway,Thankshaze39:cheers:", "thread_id": 14044 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.795898368Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:05:42+0100", "id": "a0b499ac6cd9ee3e048f58603470f1eb", "post_id": "post-251527", "text": "2400 miles out---------- Post added at 12:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:05 AM ----------Thunder Chicken said:Damn...how didn't I know about Eyes before? I'm trying to download all the viewers now...not good.\n\nYou did not read this thread!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.61728384Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-09T03:55:18+0100", "id": "17bc86fe9536155ab340bd8dd3aa8e12", "post_id": "post-220760", "text": "Wolfer said:BJ, I like your plan, but permit me to do a suggestion. If we decide not to rotate the crew, we can make the MSS into the sole habitat for the Earth-Mars transfer. Then once at Mars, we separate the propulsion system from the MSS, refuel it and send it and some resources back to Earth where we refuel it again, attach some cargo to it and send it back to Mars to resupply the base and the MSS. Then we repeat the operation.\n\nVery good idea, that way much more cargo can be transferred between Earth-Mars. Actually, if the flight is short enough, we can even use the [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4488\"]Inflatable Space Rescue Unit for UCGO[\/nomedia]as our UMMU transportation between Mars-Earth.;)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.491615488Z", "author": "dutchpirate", "date": "2008-05-11T14:33:14+0100", "id": "3d2b3b02bc20a68d9badfd296bf01c10", "post_id": "post-65221", "text": "Simplest way is to undock from ISS and do an orbital plane alignment burn to shift your plane over to MIR. It will take a lot of fuel because they are in such different planes. I believe that someone once wrote a scenario that challenged you to dock\/land\/rendevous with a number of objects\/locations and that there was a method whereby someone used an orbit around the moon to change alignment for a MIR\/ISS transfer, but I can't be sure about that.", "thread_id": 1407 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.035772416Z", "author": "Proximus", "date": "2013-11-24T12:07:23+0000", "id": "17ca217c8b8f013d63fd3a8477c5b602", "post_id": "post-252126", "text": "The engineers will no doubt wish to systematically shut down suspect systems and monitor the bus voltage.Floating bus or not, a TTL logic calculator on earth would struggle with 4V DC not to mention the extra current load on the power supply :facepalm:I can only hope the bus in question is not linked to anything too important:uhh:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.658706176Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T23:10:07+0100", "id": "d957ab35d45473b861368e5357e4a4d6", "post_id": "post-220585", "text": "I agree with Artlav, the XR-2 looks like a good shuttle for Mars.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.582897408Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-08-07T18:57:07+0100", "id": "2862d6ef4513252d03cab015922e1ff8", "post_id": "post-220206", "text": "T.Neo said:Skylon is large just in dimensional terms because it uses LH2 as fuel. You could make the vehicle a good deal smaller if you used something like methane, but you would of course take a performance hit...\n\nStill, it's lift-off mass is in one league with the 747. Despite Hydrogen being the lightest variant. A kerosene based version would be heavier than a A380 - if it could fly and reach orbit at all.T.Neo said:Do you really have to slash your performance by half to get 'more user-friendly hardware'?\n\nApproximately yes, maybe even more. A small drop in ISP means a big change in vehicle mass for the same trajectory.T.Neo said:What is the cutoff point for 'user-friendly'? How user friendly do you have to be? Is it absolutely guaranteed that an SSTO would not be 'user-friendly'?\n\nLets define \"user-friendly\" as such: The pilot\/owner\/whoever can do the preflight and post-flight checks himself, and only needs specialist knowledge for dealing with the big problems. if you permit some additional mass penalty for example, you could make it possible for a skilled technician to swap a turbopump assembly, without you needing to hire a specialist team, like for example if you would need for replacing a turbopump rotor or bearing.Current situation in spaceflight is as such: For everything, you need experts, usually in the price class of engineers. You can already do some small maintenance as IVA and EVA, which is about on the skill level for skilled technicians, but it is impossible to fly without. And the problem is not the staging system, but such mundane things like the engines or the propellant utilization system.Calibrating a IMU isn't that complex, you could do that with adequate accuracy without studying physics. But the subsystem has to be designed for this task.Swapping a LRU or installing new software would be fairly easy, providing automated test equipment isn't a problem. But could you for example replace a damaged heavy-duty valve? Not that easy without the valve helping you.Replacing a worn-out bearing on a engine turbopump is really rocket science - not only do you need to deal with complex pneumatics and extreme accuracies, but you also need to do tasks like being able to balance a turbopump shaft afterwards again to prevent destructive vibrations. A high-performance turbopump runs at 250,000 RPM. If you want to be at least effective, you run at 100,000 RPM. if you want it cheap, but bulky, you use just 50,000 RPM and pay a hefty fuel efficiency price. Even for the 50,000 RPM turbopump, you will need to balance the rotor carefully. At 250,000 RPM, you balance in the range of a few hundred nanogram. Special engineers can do that, with special expensive machines. They cost you a few million per rotor then (alone about 400,000 USD for the wages). And you can't make it automatic. You will always need specialists to make sure the machines are not optimizing the rotor away into tiny chips of metal waste. The local optimum for the balance is not always the global optimum that you want.If a spacecraft owner would need to send his spacecraft to a special company every every flight to check for such expensive problems and do the overhaul because even small checks mean disassembling sensitive parts, it is not user-friendly, the user who paid for it will spend less time with his investment as the technicians to maintain it.Even if you want to just attract major companies, you need a low-cost approach to maintenance. Especially since you will have to assume that you are not alone in the world and your design might be the first, but not the last to appear. The first in a market is not always the one who makes the biggest profits.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.500280832Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-09-01T18:06:16+0100", "id": "75c481243d5c5fcbc6d4b20bdb6afe01", "post_id": "post-252699", "text": "No way I'm moving my files to some random server on the internet. I sync files between my computers using my own SFTP server and rsync, with on-the-fly strong encryption. Dropbox and similar sites are a privacy breach just waiting to happen. It's no better than facebook and other antisocial networking sites, really.", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.084889856Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-08-16T00:58:39+0100", "id": "5cf7ecb5eea185ece38048acc1a730a4", "post_id": "post-219548", "text": "A recent trip to Cumberland, Maryland, yielded these 35mm images printed on 8x10\" paper and scanned in via my junky Lexmark:The two images of the locomotive passing under the overpass show the difference between using regular B\/W developer vs. lith developer. The effect is stunning, although these two lost a lot in the scan.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611426304Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-06T04:21:27+0100", "id": "2e20537da1b77a180874a9d5807f5e64", "post_id": "post-220707", "text": "Bj said:\n\nThat image makes me want to vomit...even if it is the future of spaceflight.I, for one donotwant to be sent off Mars at 500AU\/s. Perhaps we can just forgo Orbiter's date and keep our own? I know the planets won't be in the right positions, but it's better than \"That's one small step for man, one giant leap for m-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\":rofl:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.610542848Z", "author": "francisdrake", "date": "2010-09-05T06:51:27+0100", "id": "38faa7a1addcf34006e3691b1c4611ef", "post_id": "post-252970", "text": "Cool! One thing that comes to my mind is any docking \/ undocking procedure should be from the rear, staying in the radiation shadow cone. I assume that even on low power settings the reactors will emitt radiation. The landing parties will want to avoid the unshielded, unhealthy zone.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.313622528Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-04-27T23:07:28+0100", "id": "3015cc59d0fe9cf10d3135143ad6c128", "post_id": "post-219761", "text": "This looks exactly the sameas this problem, but I don't see it has been resolved.", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613393408Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-07T00:08:25+0100", "id": "68222272f427842098bed5c2c47e0a4a", "post_id": "post-220725", "text": "Izack said:[...]What addon is that on the back? It looks sort of like a Shuttle ET with gray foil. At any rate, it's better than mine.:)\n\nIt's the Nerva-2 without it's external tanks.@BJ We also need someplace to store consumables and I think we should put most of the base under dirt to protect our ummus from radiation.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.611434752Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-09-10T15:01:20+0100", "id": "f49acd040dd19e0ff341b7b1c6d52a6b", "post_id": "post-252978", "text": "Total radiator area is 260000 m2 radiating away 65 GW of waste heat. I assume total power conwersion efficiency at 55 % - that is from nuclear heat to thrust power.\n\nsounds plausible. You'll need low-temperature radiators too, though, for the low-temperature heat generated by onboard systems.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62226432Z", "author": "cymrych", "date": "2010-05-10T21:46:45+0100", "id": "f78ba8c11b72ba6f3b23e28d0c359d91", "post_id": "post-220801", "text": "Good point, Urumpe. It's at 19 pages, its already a pain the butt to remember where the pertinent posts were.I have some expermental TMI results from the Stack scenario posted back on page 10 by Izaack, but I think it might be best to start a new thread over in the group. I know diddly about how groups within the forum work, but I'll try to figure something out (for Stack development, at any rate).", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.624893952Z", "author": "eyu100", "date": "2010-05-12T02:12:33+0100", "id": "c7ca9a9f4f72848deb0a1a54f45af240", "post_id": "post-220824", "text": "Doesn't Orbiter measure specific impulse in units of speed? Other than that, I can't see anything wrong with the graph from the graphing calculator; remember that delta-v is in m\/s and mass is in kg, so the big numbers on the graph aren't actually that big.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.78975872Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-03-19T07:57:29+0000", "id": "a3ade4654eee1e5e81a3e2516c091a76", "post_id": "post-251141", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.622770176Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-10T23:36:06+0100", "id": "15dbd5bb8477532c553c73d4d2bec424", "post_id": "post-220805", "text": "Let me put it in short words : What do we have to loose?NASA wouldn't bite us, in the worst case NASA does nothing at all, in the best case, NASA supports us the best they can (what ever this might eventually mean).", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.818254592Z", "author": "Suzy", "date": "2010-04-26T21:26:35+0100", "id": "2730c3a8b97e416813925688f7ca24a8", "post_id": "post-219371", "text": "Humanity is already damaging or destroying itself though overpopulation, wars, environmental devastation, etc., so a potential alien invasion would make little difference in my view (maybe a \u201chostile takeover\u201d with Earth \u201cunder new management\u201d would be an improvement!). Also there are plenty of resources in the Solar System (such as water), so I doubt aliens would invade Earth just for these!", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.003863296Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-28T20:45:52+0100", "id": "f324e4a9aff2a6f919e1272d3298f178", "post_id": "post-251945", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity Update, Sol 52: Glenelg Ho!NewScientist:Why do we think Curiosity found an old Mars riverbed?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.784337664Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-04-26T14:56:26+0100", "id": "9ce93a723037617dd49d666e2c31d902", "post_id": "post-219319", "text": "Shadow Addict said:No point using that with AMSO. AMSO comes with a great built-in landing AP.\n\nyes, but you have to understand that autopilot, you need a manual timing, with LOLA you just say where you want to land, and it does it for you;)", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.820886784Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-28T13:31:12+0100", "id": "8644ee8069720f7e429fd6ff8b4de0b0", "post_id": "post-219394", "text": "Then governments can just make it exceedingly difficult to get a visa. xD", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.760564992Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-11T21:01:45+0100", "id": "49800be97fc8267aac59ed53003de5a0", "post_id": "post-251393", "text": "NASA News Release:MEDIA ADVISORY : M12-128NASA News Conference to Preview August Mars Rover LandingJuly, 11, 2012WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a news conference at 1 p.m. EDT Monday, July 16, to discuss the upcoming August landing of the most advanced robot ever sent to another world. A new public-engagement collaboration based on the mission also will be debuted.The event for NASA's Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) spacecraft will be held in the James E. Webb Auditorium at NASA Headquarters, 300 E St. SW, Washington. The event will be broadcast live on NASA Television and streamed on the agency's website.MSL will deliver Curiosity to Mars at approximately 1:31 a.m. EDT Aug. 6. The rover, carrying laboratory instruments to analyze samples of rocks, soil and atmosphere, will investigate whether Mars has ever offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life.Participants will be:Doug McCuistion, director, Mars Exploration Program, NASA HeadquartersMichael Meyer, lead scientist, Mars Exploration Program, NASA HeadquartersJohn Grotzinger, MSL project scientist, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif.Pete Theisinger, MSL project manager, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, PasadenaJeff Norris, manager, planning and execution systems, Jet Propulsion LaboratoryMedia representatives may ask questions from participating NASA centers or by telephone. To participate by phone, reporters must contact Steve Cole at 202-358-0918 or[email\u00a0protected]by 10 a.m. July 16.For NASA TV streaming video, scheduling and downlink information, visit:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/ntv\u200bTo view a Jet Propulsion Laboratory live stream with a moderated chat, visit:http:\/\/www.ustream.tv\/nasajpl\u200b{...}NASA:NASA News Conference to Preview August Mars Rover LandingNASA JPL:NASA News Conference to Preview August Mars Rover Landing", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.58040192Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-07-05T17:30:01+0100", "id": "7f786d7ab1d12b098e5a2c22c9f36f88", "post_id": "post-220178", "text": "20:1 structural mass fraction just means that you have about one percent payload mass fraction left when reaching orbital speed (with a kerosene\/LOX SSTO). Sadly, a SSTO makes no sense without reuse, since a twin stage rocket with the same structural mass fraction for every stage will outperform it by large, when expendable.Since RGClark is not open for using mathematics, the lingua franca of science, let me do that:The SSTO will reach the following payload mass ratio at a structural mass fraction of 0.05 and an specific impulse of 3300 m\/s:[math]\\lambda_{SSTO} = \\frac{e^{\\frac{-9200 \\frac{m}{s}}{3300 \\frac{m}{s}}} - 0.05} {1 - 0.05} = 0.0122[\/math]Just 1.22% of the mass will be available for payload (and any advanced recovery and landing systems, if desired)The TSTO will at equal parameters and approximately optimized stage ratio get:[math]\\lambda_{TSTO} = \\left (\\frac{e^{\\frac{-4600 \\frac{m}{s}}{3300 \\frac{m}{s}}} - 0.05} {1 - 0.05} \\right ) ^2 = 0.0435[\/math]That means 4.35% of the lift off mass will be available for payload. The SSTO will weight 3.57 times more for the same payload as the TSTO. That is about the difference between Soyuz and Space Shuttle.In terms of costs, this is all advantageous for the TSTO: while it needs a staging system, it can use less complex engines, since it needs less throttle range. And since it is much lighter than the SSTO for the same payload, it will fly with much cheaper engines anyway. Also the TSTO will be able to use better optimized engines - regardless which technology you use on the SSTO for making the engines less sensible to ambient pressure, the TSTO can also use it for its advantage.And the indigenous modular construction of a TSTO also makes it much cheaper to construct it: The main parts are smaller, while a SSTO has to be pretty monolithic.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.633330432Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T20:14:16+0100", "id": "2af43e3e3f945cf0267e7d3701c5d7ad", "post_id": "post-220546", "text": "supersonic said:True, but if we launch every two-three days it's a different story. Who said we have to launch after the crew on the way to Mars has landed?\n\nThere is a thing called \"launch window\".;)You can get the flight time down to 90 days, especially with the arrow, but ignoring launch windows is harder, getting the flight time down to 90 days offers you just a wider launch window of some weeks.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.546196224Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-03T11:32:04+0100", "id": "cd2cc5156189aeb3b2776c84a937c258", "post_id": "post-252880", "text": "tl8 said:Well, Time is relative, It is 3 times as long as lvl 7...I assume this is good news?\n\nMy opinion on this is that is very good news, because each next texture level takes 4 times more space, but is generated less than 4 times longer, i.e. level 4 is only 131072 pixels, level 5 - 524288px, level 6 - 2097152px, level 7 - 8388608px, and level 8 texture has 33554432 pixels.Let's take for example data from my results:Level 5 generation is taking 1.423 times as long as level 4 generation, but with size included, level 5 is generated 2.811 times faster than level 4.Level 6 generation is taking 2.166 times as long as level 5 generation, but with size included, level 6 is generated 1.847 times faster than level 5.Level 7 generation is taking 3.128 times as long as level 6 generation, but with size included, level 7 is generated 1.279 times faster than level 6.Level 8 generation is taking 3.709 times as long as level 7 generation, but with size included, level 8 is generated 1.078 times faster than level 7.This gives level 8 texture generated 7.156 faster than level 4 texture on my graphics card, and there are cards that generate each next level even faster (if you take the size of texture into account).", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.632078336Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-18T22:06:02+0100", "id": "df0603d7789974f1607ad30ecf2cead7", "post_id": "post-220893", "text": "Welcome to the club, Dan. :tiphat:There sure aren't a shortage of XR\/Glider pilots.Of course, I'm not sure how the larger modules are getting to the surface. Will a helicopter work on Mars? Certainly it would need to be redesigned, at the very least. The XR craft certainly can't carry habitats or nuclear reactors, and the Arrow doesn't look like it can either (unless perhaps it was in the hangar bay? Docking doesn't work on the surface. Hmm...). A single XR-5 could do the whole mission in one go, but that's just ludicrous.:pAlso, I found another interplanetary engine ([nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2983\"]Cosmos V2.0[\/nomedia]) which I have yet to test. It may be too big, just looking at the screenshot, but I'll give it a whirl. Hispa is doing it in another thread as we speak, as well.PS: My signature will just link you to this thread. You can find the social grouphere.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.639937024Z", "author": "dougkeenan", "date": "2010-05-20T14:24:23+0100", "id": "8b3de0b0df220f1808d15688ed8ca0ca", "post_id": "post-220944", "text": "Urwumpe said:.ini for the NERVA or a .ini for the launcher? the NERVA2 has a DLL already, which compensates CoG shifts.\n\nIs that DLL in the NERVA2.ZIP package?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.674710528Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2008-07-31T12:53:40+0100", "id": "f584eef1228f7dbab843670ac3f61755", "post_id": "post-69106", "text": "GLS said:So, I call SetSSMEParams from the constructor, forget about the funct Realize and all engine creation activities, and SetSSMEDir is for use in the ATVC, correct??I haven't really made a lot of thinking about the ET and PMS... for a simple MPS dump (no He use in the first version...) I would need the ET handle (both on MPS and SSME classes) and when the dump is comanded the vlvs open and I would decrement the prop.... is the vent propulsive? If it is, then I could create a little weak thruster (on the engines and LH2 dump port) with exhust and it would make it both simpler and pretty!:speakcool:\n\nSpeaking of venting how about adding something like this:[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=8MZZ29U-WFY\"]YouTube - STS-122 - EXTERNAL TANK HANDHELD Video[\/ame]", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.093666304Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2015-01-08T14:49:52+0000", "id": "10967819ecb19c6d5ffffb04116aabec", "post_id": "post-219616", "text": "My favorite camera was made in the 1950s and it's the one I use most often, a Minolta Autcord twin-lens reflex. It's Minolta's response to the Rolliflex, and has an improved film feed system and a light-powered selenium meter which gives me accurate readings in daylight with no need for any batteries. I have shot a lot of cool photos with this.While I am aware of some of the cool stuff you can do with smartphone cameras, I have little interest in digital photography (not while I still have access to a darkroom, anyway), so my smartphone camera is for convenient snapshots pretty much.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.487276288Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-30T15:20:54+0100", "id": "064f190a030b5b3f0fd8b10829531e93", "post_id": "post-219989", "text": "Maritime expressions come up too often in spaceflight, methinks.If you have to have use any closer-to-home analogies, use those used by aircraft. They're far more apt, and a lot of aircraft terminology comes from maritime terminology anyway.", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.7619968Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2012-07-20T00:04:20+0100", "id": "9dad5221e3b403b735e92ca34ae725d6", "post_id": "post-251404", "text": "I heard a while ago that video from the landing would be broadcast. Has anyone heard anything about that and will we be able to see that footage online?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.615414784Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-08T01:53:35+0100", "id": "d8109dab0cd2d1680a60e8c1e365e360", "post_id": "post-220742", "text": "I'm more in this for the planning and experience than the actual flight. I'd be just as content to watch you guys fly the mission as I would doing it myself.Think of me as one of your ground crew.;)However, I'm willing to fly assembly flights, and would like to take part in MSS construction once in Mars orbit. Again, just think of me as one of the people who was on the stack as you pilot it, and on the space station as you explore Mars. I'll cheer you on from orbit.:cheers:I guess since most of us so far want to help with assembly, that part has been secured. Now what I'd like to see is a final design for the core spacecraft.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.58208512Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-19T21:00:26+0100", "id": "13469fa2797eec48bd982ef6906e6a5c", "post_id": "post-220199", "text": "This discussion thread on the SecretProjects forum, showed suchSSTO's were already being proposed in the 60's, as well as ambitiouslunar exploration proposals as exemplified by the lunar bases in thefilm, 2001:ROMBUS, Pegasus, Ithacus .http:\/\/www.secretprojects.co.uk\/forum\/index.php?topic=4577.0We didn't have the required high efficiency kerosene or hydrogenengines in the 60's. But we did in the 70's with the NK-33 forkerosene and the SSME's for hydrogen.Bob ClarkRGClark said:Space Travel: The Path to Human Immortality?Space exploration might just be the key to human beings surviving mass genocide, ecocide or omnicide.July 24, 2009On December 31st, 1999, National Public Radio interviewed the futurist and science fiction genius Arthur C. Clarke. Since the author had forecast so many of the 20th Century's most fundamental developments, the NPR correspondent asked Clarke if anything had happened in the preceding 100 years that he never could have anticipated. \"Yes, absolutely,\" Clarke replied, without a moment's hesitation. \"The one thing I never would have expected is that, after centuries of wonder and imagination and aspiration, we would have gone to the moon ... and then stopped.\"http:\/\/www.alternet.org\/news\/141518\/space_travel:_the_path_to_human_immortality\/I remember thinking when I first saw 2001 as a teenager and could appreciate it more, I thought it was way too optimistic. We could never have huge rotating space stations and passenger flights to orbit and Moon bases and nuclear-powered interplanetary ships by then.That's what I thought and probably most people familiar with the space program thought that. And I think I recall Clarke saying once that the year 2001 was selected as more a rhetorical, artistic flourish rather than being a prediction, 2001 being the year of the turn of the millennium (no, it was NOT in the year 2000.)However, I've now come to the conclusion those could indeed have been possible by 2001. I don't mean the alien monolith or the intelligent computer, but the spaceflights shown in the film.It all comes down to SSTO's. As I argued above these could have led and WILL lead to the price to orbit coming down to the $100 per kilo range. The required lightweight stages existed since the 60's and 70's for kerosene with the Atlas and Delta stages, and for hydrogen with the Saturn V upper stages. And the high efficiency engines from sea level to vacuum have existed since the 70's with the NK-33 for kerosene, and with the SSME for hydrogen.The kerosene SSTO's could be smaller and cheaper and would make possible small orbital craft in the price range of business jets, at a few tens of millions of dollars. These would be able to carry a few number of passengers\/crew, say of the size of the Dragon capsule. But in analogy with history of aircraft these would soon be followed by large passenger craft.However, the NK-33 was of Russian design, while the required lightweight stages were of American design. But the 70's was the time of detente, with the Apollo-Soyuz mission. With both sides realizing that collaboration would lead to routine passenger spaceflight, it is conceivable that they could have come together to make possible commercial spaceflight.There is also the fact that for the hydrogen fueled SSTO's, the Americans had both the required lightweight stages and high efficiency engines, though these SSTO's would have been larger and more expensive. So it would have been advantageous for the Russians to share their engine if the American's shared their lightweight stages.For the space station, many have soured on the idea because of the ISS with the huge cost overruns. But Bigelow is planning on \"space hotels\" derived from NASA'sTranshabconcept. These provide large living space at lightweight. At $100 per kilo launch costs we could form large space stations from the Transhabs linked together in modular fashion, financed purely from the tourism interests. Remember the low price to orbit allows many average citizens to pay for the cost to LEO.The Transhab was developed in the late 90's so it might be questionable that the space station could be built from them by 2001. But remember in the film the space station was in the process of being built. Also, with large numbers of passengers traveling to space it seems likely that inflatable modules would have been thought of earlier to house the large number of tourists who might want a longer stay.For the extensive Moon base, judging from the Apollo missions it might be thought any flight to the Moon would be hugely expensive. However, Robert Heinlein once said: once you get to LEO you're half way to anywhere in the Solar System. This is due to the delta-V requirements for getting out of the Earth's gravitational compared to reaching escape velocity.It is important to note then SSTO's have the capability once refueled in orbit to travel to the Moon, land, and return to Earth on that one fuel load. Because of this there would be a large market for passenger service to the Moon as well. So there would be a commercial justification forBigelow's Transhab motels to also be transported to the Moon.Initially the propellant for the fuel depots would have to be lofted from Earth. But we recently found there was water in thepermanently shadowed craters on the Moon. Use of this for propellant would reduce the cost to make the flights from LEO to the Moon since the delta-V needed to bring the propellant to LEO from the lunar surface is so much less than that needed to bring it from the Earth's surface to LEO.This lunar derived propellant could also be placed in depots in lunar orbit and at the Lagrange points. This would make easier flights to the asteroids and the planets. The flights to the asteroids would be especially important for commercial purposes because it is estimated even a small sized asteroid could havetrillions of dollars worth of valuable minerals. The availability of such resources would make it financially profitable to develop large bases on the Moon for the sake of the propellant.Another possible resource was recentlydiscovered on the Moon: uranium. Though further analysis showed the surface abundance to be much less than in Earth mines, it may be that there are localized concentrations just as there are on Earth. Indeed this appears to be the case withsome heavy metals such as silver and possibly goldthat appear to be concentrated in some polar craters on the Moon.So even if the uranium is not as abundant as in Earth mines, it may be sufficient to be used for nuclear-powered spacecraft. Then we wouldn't have the problem of large amounts of nuclear material being lofted on rockets on Earth. The physics and engineering ofnuclear powered rockets have been understood since the 60's. The main impediment has been the opposition to launching large amounts of radioactive material from Earth into orbit above Earth. Then we very well could have had nuclear-powered spacecraft launching from the Moon for interplanetary missions, especially when you consider the financial incentive provided by minerals in the asteroids of the asteroid belt.Bob Clark\n\n---------- Post added at 08:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:19 PM ----------It would be a truly watershed moment just creating a SSTO even if it doesn't carry much payload. It wouldn't have to be anything extensive like perhaps what Boeing is planning with their X-37B derivedSSTO.A small one could be demonstrated by amateur science or technical organizations, for instance by the British Interplanetary Society, or the Planetary Society.The Planetary Society is spending about $5.8 million total on their two attempts at solar sail demonstators:Cosmos 1.[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Cosmos_1\"]Cosmos 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]LightSail-1.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/LightSail-1#CreationA small SSTO demonstrator that could carry a few hundred pound payload could be developed for less than this amount and would be far more important for it would show that low cost SSTO's are possible.In fact the organization developing it could even make money on it because they could use it to launch small scientific payloads.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.001565696Z", "author": "vchamp", "date": "2012-09-11T10:25:59+0100", "id": "c6f71ec5c854aa2012344fdd02166ee5", "post_id": "post-251923", "text": "I agree, these photos are breathtaking. It's something new, Mars became closer.Good luck Curiosity on your mission!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.442463744Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-04T04:43:26+0100", "id": "2c9e77074b80ddc709209c0f28157419", "post_id": "post-219839", "text": "Zachstar said:its superior silicon...\n\nGood one.Like I said, I considered the X6 for a couple hours, and then I did a little bit of research, and saw that even when overclocked to 4GHz it still barely outperforms the (stock) 2.66GHz i7 920...There's no \"superior silicon\" here. AMD is behind in the processor wars, and they know it--that's why they bolted on two more cores to the X4 and are trying to pass it off as something new.", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5859392Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-09-14T04:11:20+0100", "id": "83930d0906d8eb7f38fe55103189fa85", "post_id": "post-220240", "text": "Doable does not mean viable. Viable does not mean \"magically cuts costs down to the region of $100\/kg\".Just because Boeing is supposedly doing some far-out study project doesn't mean they are actively pursuing something that is viable. Or even doable.I don't agree with that. Conservative estimates say you can do it with currently existing stages and engines. Use of composites just gives you better payload fraction.\n\nAlwaysuse conservative estimates.Always.It doesn't matter whether you're working with aluminium or steel or graphic epoxy.Composites don't magically solve problems. They can have cost issues and thermal problems as well, for example.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.003972352Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-01T12:47:47+0100", "id": "0387e9edaee74e1e7e50ff769218246a", "post_id": "post-251946", "text": "SPACE.com:Weather On Mars Surprisingly Warm, Curiosity Rover FindsDiscovery News:Weather On Mars Surprisingly Warm, Rover Finds", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.576349696Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-03-05T19:12:03+0000", "id": "c44837d777c76e67f69c61c5da0e0273", "post_id": "post-220132", "text": "To be honest that sort of conversion doesn't make any sense to me; I would rather build an entirely new vehicle, it can be based (for example aerodynamics wise) on something like the X-37B, but it trying to shoehorn a totally different goal into the same airframe would probably be very inefficient.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.615939584Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-05-08T09:01:43+0100", "id": "92e90be359b3df2acac0442fe6c5b02c", "post_id": "post-220747", "text": "Bj said:Using the ET as a rough estimation of LOX\/LH2 mass\/volume ratio, it has 358.69kg of propellant per cubic meter.Alright, this is what I'm envisioning; containers likethis(for ground fuel containers) would be good as semi-permanent structures. While the miner can produce smaller drums that can be used for packing fuel to orbit.Now I am starting to think that for the 'smaller drums' we can actually use the fuel cargo supplied with UCGO. Since like ~9 of them will fill up the fuel tanks of DGIV, they should be enough. Anyway, if we had to haul them, we would have to make them fit in cargo bays and well, more hassle then I think its worth and redesigning the wheel I think.Summary: the miner should produce UCGO fuel cargo for simplicity sake.The larger drums (since I am assuming, alteration of Arrows hover engines to permit landing) should fill up 800,750kg of fuel with say, 5 drums.Assuming 1.25:1 ratio for width\/high large drum size and 160,150 kg for drum,(don't mind my scribbles)[MATH]\\pi hr^2 = [\/MATH](volume of container)[MATH]2r=1.25(h)[\/MATH][MATH]\\pi h(0.625h)^2 = .39\\pi h^3[\/MATH][MATH]~.39\\pi h^3 = ~446.49[\/MATH] ( = (1\/5)\/358.69 of 800,750kg)So the large drum should be;h = ~7.14r = ~4.46Now then, I think either we can do 2 things, be realistic and set the miner (or other vessel) to have fuel containers fill as a function of time, or we can just have the oil drums set to act as UCGO fuel stations.\n\nYeah, probably best for the miner to make normal fuel cargos as I remembered at work that DanSteph has said that UCGO cargos must be able to fit in a 1.3m^3 box.So for the fuel cargo to hold more fuel it would have to stay the same size and just hold a super dense fuel.My main worry with a bigger fuel container was how to get it to orbit but if we're having the Arrow com eto us then that problem is solved.I'll have a go at whipping up a big fuel tank mesh then, don't mind either way whether we have it fill over time or act as a fuel station, it's easy enough to canabalise the miner code.Though wouldn't be able to directly fill the Arrow from a miner-derived tank, would have to produce many UCGO fuel containers but they take zero time to make so wouldn't be too much of a problem.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.005012224Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-08T17:53:40+0100", "id": "5d0dbd024cb1f380ed0e4fb38901eb8d", "post_id": "post-251953", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663358976Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-04T15:44:02+0100", "id": "3df35fdb46eb711a861589c8e655d0a1", "post_id": "post-220631", "text": "Bj said:So what about a list of modules needed for this station?\n\nAt least a few of the inflatables from UCGO... never a bad choice.Otherwise we modules that contain functions like:Green housesMed BayPower supply, power storageHabitatTool storageRover garageFuel storageIn-situ fuel plantWater plantCommunicationBase command\/AdministrationMeteological officeWorkshopGalleyRecreationUMMU respawning :lol:Arnold Schwarzenegger for the terraforming project - With the sound \"look, sa reacter is melting sa ice\".", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.64704768Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-08T18:30:02+0100", "id": "11e9a005dbb548399c61ab2f0ee5a8c4", "post_id": "post-221006", "text": "Voyager said:By the way, what meshes do we need. I have been practicing meshes.\n\nThere is a huge list of requested custom textures for standard cargo boxes in the Wiki, maybe you did see it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.143134464Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-08-29T23:04:02+0100", "id": "fa4785ceaedccec188548f9bdd05ae94", "post_id": "post-252284", "text": "Hi,I am having trouble converting Quicktime (.MOV) files to WMV for use in Windows Movie Maker. Can you recommend any converters or alternative editing programs for free?Thanks.", "thread_id": 16278 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.081133056Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-24T03:59:48+0100", "id": "8452a12282ea46b5853a59ef57d048ce", "post_id": "post-219528", "text": "Here's a guy from New Jersey who makes platinum\/palladium prints (as opposed to silver, which is what most black and white photos use). His photos are of NY City and the Jersey Shore. He does some sort of wierd burning and dodging thing which makes his photos look eerie. It must take him hours to do one of these, and who knows how much paper he has to toss before he gets it right!http:\/\/www.afterimage.com\/massaia.htm", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.658934784Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T23:55:06+0100", "id": "46490c6dd4604d3f5642fdddaf42d59a", "post_id": "post-220588", "text": "Artlav said:Well, how much new modules do we need? There are a lot of add-ons. Although, i was getting kind of depressed while browsing thru them looking for something to make an interplanetary ship out of.What would it take to make a vessel to go to Mars?-Engine and fuel tanks-Habitable area (lots of space station modules)-Power system (solar panels or a reactor, first look cooler)-Auxillary stuff (airlocks, ports, etc)-Cargo decks (UCGO SDK+some simple meshes)-Scaffolding and keel (some more meshes)-Shuttles (available on Earth side a-plenty, something DG-like on Mars side)\n\nJust brainstorming:Well, first of all, we need a core module to start building with. Lets say we use the ISS as starting point for the construction, then the ideal core module would be the \"bridge\", launched as nearly empty pressure vessel with a docking port on the front. What must be there is a power distribution system, so power from the ISS can be routed to the rest of the early vessel for the construction process.Now, the next missions would be early outfitting - the first part of the truss gets installed, together with a SSRMS like robot arm for assisting the future assembly. The next step would be habitats, which would get installed on the first part of the truss, together with power storage (batteries) and ECLSS tanks (O2, N2) inside the truss. The next part would be the main truss, which would get the propellant tanks and the propulsion system eventually... Once the propulsion system arrives, which would in case of nuclear propulsion also supply electrical power, the long spacecraft could be undocked from the ISS (for stability, since it would overload the stabilization system), and the final outfitting take place some true anomaly away from the ISS. Radiators would get installed, Propellant tanks are launched and installed. Next the shuttles for the way to mars would be installed, and the first consumables are loaded.Finally, the spacecraft would get the Earth-return capsule docked, ideally in a enclosed hangar, and the crew...If nuclear propulsion is not possible, chemical and launching it as Aldrin Cycler might be a good alternative.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.434598656Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-09-01T01:15:46+0100", "id": "5d45cd31f07f9c7244ca95829e2cba05", "post_id": "post-252518", "text": "Local light sources seems like it'll be a great feature! Thanks for another excellent release!", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56950144Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2011-02-24T12:56:24+0000", "id": "cab80c964ba2d448d526e1ee28669619", "post_id": "post-220112", "text": "Suppose an SSTO based on Ariane 5 can lift 8 tons. Then by adding a second stage and staging at some 4 - 5 km\/s you should be able to get significant increase in payload likely getting lower $\/kg than as SSTO because small upper stage should be much cheaper than big first stage with expensive high performance engine.SSTO would be the most advategous when launching crew because it is less likely for something to go wrong during ascent if there are no staging events and all engines are ignited and checked on ground before rocket is released from pad.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.08467456Z", "author": "FSXHD", "date": "2010-08-16T00:33:56+0100", "id": "605abb7fcdde9c9edd6720a81c8d1a6e", "post_id": "post-219547", "text": "That canyon video is absolutely STUNNING!I recently got a new camera - a Canon T2i with a 18-135mm f\/3.5-5.6 IS lens. I am hoping to get a 70-300mm IS lens around Christmas, and maybe a a macro lens in the March. I hope to post many of my images here as well as look in awe at others' work. Here are a few from a local airshow.DreamlifterHarrier transitioning from hover to level flightDreamlifterWingF-15 with AfterburnerF-18F-18 Climbing with the Dreamlifter in the foregroundThunderbirdsYou can view the rest here -http:\/\/picasaweb.google.com\/102290390373829549121\/RockfordAirFest#slideshow\/5500877246917817810", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.640372992Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-09-03T18:31:48+0100", "id": "7b8a23495b27e8b34652960eae2c282d", "post_id": "post-253052", "text": "Zatnikitelman said:The Genesis mission? The one with the backwards-installed accelerometer that crashed to the desert?\n\nYes. We know whose fault it is...KHAAAAAAAAAAN! KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.550518016Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2010-05-02T22:28:10+0100", "id": "c091ffcab1c65f6039c82400e238692c", "post_id": "post-220094", "text": "Sky Captain said:I suggest you just take a suitable Velcro rockets stage since it is config file based and easy to edit. Set the physical values from Falcon 1 first stage and test fly it in Orbiter. I think it should work with reasonable accuracy.While an expendable SSTO booster might be relatively easy to achieve a reusable one would be a completely different matter. Suppose a Falcon 1 based SSTO has 600 kg payload. To make it reusable would need a thermal protection, aerodynamic surfaces and some sort of recovery system to for gentle landing which would quickly add extra mass.\n\nThanks for the info. I haven't used the Orbiter sim yet. How long would it take to get up to speed to do this?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.169462784Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-10-25T20:12:43+0100", "id": "90638894e1daba56bcfe58d2748ff850", "post_id": "post-219692", "text": "A downloadable video of the undocking ishere.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.009265408Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2012-11-21T12:06:17+0000", "id": "35fa2572f6f5c651355063efaf77f5bf", "post_id": "post-252002", "text": "When it's for the history books then I can only imagine microbes or H2O, I mean we already discovered methane on Mars and it would not be for the history books I think, just ask your family\/friends what they think about methane on Mars, even if we have discovered small amounts, nobody cares...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.568934144Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-02-21T02:32:51+0000", "id": "97a9bce00f98ad5622f9a678612944db", "post_id": "post-220104", "text": "Urwumpe said:Don't forget gravity and ambient air pressure effects.... 4250 Ns\/kg is vacuum performance, not against a counter-acting sea-level pressure at launch.\n\nNo, the 425s Isp is the trajectory averaged Isp taken from here:A Single-Stage-to-Orbit Thought Experiment.Gary C Hudsonhttp:\/\/www.spacefuture.com\/archive\/a_single_stage_to_orbit_thought_experiment.shtmlThough I would like to see an independent verification for this value.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558636544Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-08T14:10:06+0000", "id": "64f4511f07710c6d97351f09b7fda656", "post_id": "post-220348", "text": "Due to the exponential nature of the rocket equation, a small increase in ISP can lead to a large increase in performance. So while you may burn some 60% of your first stage propellant climbing up to 30 kilometers, if you can reduce the remaining 40% of propellant by whatever amount, that reduction in mass will cause a ripple effect throughout the rest of the system.TAN allows you to use high expansion ratio engines (that give high ISP for their chamber pressure in a vacuum) at sea level, where they would be grossly overexpanded otherwise. By injecting propellant into the nozzle, the engine can operate at sea level at increased thrust, but decreased ISP.This not only allows for greater vacuum ISP later in the flight, but greater thrust (and engine T\/W) earlier on in the flight (which can reduce gravity losses).Another advantage of TAN in a vehicle with a high mass ratio that requires a high initial T\/W (such as an SSTO, though TAN isn't intrinsically linked to SSTO) is that acceleration can be limited without the need to deep-throttle the engine(s), by shutting off the TAN propellants.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.065729536Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-11-26T23:11:47+0000", "id": "4fd95e7175198d559a27c680b4598663", "post_id": "post-251289", "text": "A couple of picturesfrom NASA:{colsp=3}Click on images to enlarge\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b{colsp=3}\u200bNASA:MSL Spacecraft in Excellent HealthSat, 26 Nov 2011 05:56:09 PM GMTA signal from NASA's Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft, including the new Curiosity rover, was received by officials on the ground shortly after spacecraft separation. The spacecraft is flying free and headed for Mars after separation from the United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket that started it on its journey to the Red Planet. Liftoff was on time at 10:02 a.m. EST from Space Launch Complex 41 on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida.\"Our spacecraft is in excellent health and it's on its way to Mars,\" said Pete Theisinger, Mars Science Laboratory Project Manager from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. He thanked the launch team, United Launch Alliance, NASA's Launch Services Program and NASA's Kennedy Space Center for their help getting MSL into space.\"We are ready to go for landing on the surface of Mars, and we couldn't be happier,\" said John Grotzinger, Mars Science Laboratory Project Scientist from the California Institute of Technology. \"I think this mission will be a great one. It is an important next step in NASA's overall goal to address the issue of life in the universe.\"Grotzinger added, \"It is important to distinguish that as an intermediate mission between (Mars Exploration Rovers), which was the search for water, and future missions, which may undertake life detection, our mission is about looking for ancient habitable environments.\"\"Science fiction is now science fact,\" said Doug McCuisition, director of the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters. \"We're flying to Mars. We'll get it on the ground... and see what we find.\"Spaceflight Now:Mars Science Laboratory begins cruise to red planetSPACE.com:NASA Rover Begins Long Cruise to MarsParabolic Arc:NASA\u2019s Curiosity Rover: Everything You Need to KnowcollectSPACE:NASA's Curiosity rover flying to Mars with Obama's, others' autographs on boardUniverse Today:Curiosity Majestically Blasts off on \u2018Mars Trek\u2019 to ascertain \u2018Are We Alone?\u2019Discovery News:Successful Mars Curiosity Launch: Big Pic", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.818543872Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-26T21:53:49+0100", "id": "9ae887a4eae0b0f1f65a5e458638bfd3", "post_id": "post-219374", "text": "Keatah said:it is common sense!\n\nThere is no difference between common sense and ordinary nonsense.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.612360704Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-06T21:42:12+0100", "id": "c0b83ca3cceefad514c8e738217cfaa8", "post_id": "post-220716", "text": "Bloodworth said:As far as scenario is concerned, I've been practicing at that time period and have had no problems. I simply launch a scenario, open scenario editor, add whatever vessels I want and just before I save the scenario I set the date; I don't attempt to warp that sort of timespan. I think the issue is when you have scenarios that try to last more than x span of time. I could be wrong though.\n\nDoesnt matter if you 'time warped there' or not. As a matter of fact, I set the date by scenario editor up to year 9999 and it still was stable. Confused, I saved and went back to re-read the post from Dan. I restarted Orbiter (in year 9999) and just started moving forward, when I was ejected from this sol. Going back in the same way, I tested year 2050. Though instead of ejection, I was simply scooting along the earth choppy like at about 50m\/s.Bloodworth said:While I agree with everything you've just said, part of simulating the tasks is the actual flights. How exactly THEY play out depends on where in their orbits they are, which is determined by the date. I have nothing against starting the mission in the present, I just thought it would be better to start at a later one. If there actually IS an issue with using later dates (actually STARTING at a later date, not simply time warping there) then it was a bad idea on my part and I will circular file the later date idea in a heartbeat.\n\nI agree the Earth\/Mars relationship changes between years, though I think we are technologically incapable of simulating the proper year. Unless this becomes an entire re-write of Orbiter, its really not going to happen unfortunately.Ashaman42 said:Do people want me to make a fuel version of the GDI miner? Shall I just change the output or shall I whip up a new mesh?Bearing in mind that the mesh\/texturing on the miner were not my work so would probably end up with a quality more like the ore mill I'm making (see the GDI refinery thread for pics).\n\nFuel version? Yes please. I dont think the 'rock' output would look entirely accurate. Though you could just change the output mesh to the oil drum or something.--------As far as I see it, we have a few options.EitherAccept a more current date (ie 2015)Change the destination. (eg the Moon)Running off of option 2, the Moon has a better chance of being reached by the end of 2020 provided it has funding. Technically, we are capable of reaching it now(since we have already been there), it just needs funding and the proper vehicles built. On the same side, the time frame willnot matter as much, since the moon will still be circling the Earth at the same distance (in Orbiter anyway) as year 2100.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.109359104Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-08-29T18:37:40+0100", "id": "d0d5559cb0b6034d2eddb214d2ab2e29", "post_id": "post-252246", "text": "In that case it's a pressurised cargo ship. Just stick to the damn assumptions :lol:", "thread_id": 16271 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.091891456Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2014-03-10T00:22:29+0000", "id": "758b1fc418a3f8b281eee22fe7d17bc9", "post_id": "post-219600", "text": "Andy44 said:Looks familiar...\n\nI'm not familiar with that photographer's work, but the skylight is part of anew buildingon campus that looks interesting. I've actually posted another part of the building before:Unstung said:(October 2013)\n\n", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.834347264Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-14T00:01:34+0100", "id": "6792dbd8f5f6d9e6573dcb4e442c29b6", "post_id": "post-219448", "text": "ar81 said:Single seat Delta Gliders...\n\nNow THAT has some interesting potential:)", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.244835072Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-08-31T01:31:52+0100", "id": "7f44344c09b71d4c40419743302f58a7", "post_id": "post-252375", "text": "There were already such questions, and there were already these answers given. You probably didn't provide right keys for the search function, and hence it didn't give you the right answers.If you want some more links with tutorials than those MJR already gave you, take a look at:\"Tutorials for Addon Developers\" section of Tutorials page\"Add-on Development Resources\" article", "thread_id": 16290 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.48788736Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-01T00:41:52+0100", "id": "0ae9731fe8faddec9ced56531ef050c6", "post_id": "post-219995", "text": "AirSimming said:I think it's a little bit hairsplitting. It's almost like discussing whether it's called spoiler or speedbrake, which extends on top of the wings during flight or on ground after landing of civial passenger aircraft like a Boeing 737 or Airbus A320 for example. Actually it's called flight spoilers and ground spoilers, but it is operated by a lever that is labeled speed brake (and some say air brake which indeed is not quite correct in this context).\n\nPerhaps the confusion comes from the fact that air brakes and spoilers are actually two different things:)http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Air_brake_(aircraft)[\/COLOR]http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Spoiler_(aeronautics)[\/COLOR]", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.318813696Z", "author": "Submariner", "date": "2010-04-28T00:28:40+0100", "id": "a3ce0acbafee98e68779995f6b73a434", "post_id": "post-219768", "text": "Dan Steph's Prelude II base is fantastic, but only for a futuristic scenario. I'd love to have a UMMU Base just like Prelude II, but for the real world. Something you could use at Cape Canaveral or Baikonur, and would fit in. Is there already something like this, or can someone make one? Just a Ummu base with an existing building mesh would be fine.", "thread_id": 14039 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.650908928Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-11T07:43:17+0100", "id": "d7f3961e572dd6f3e0029715620d5aaa", "post_id": "post-221038", "text": "There is a fine NASA handbook that is very useful reading for anybody who plans a bigger project:http:\/\/education.ksc.nasa.gov\/esmdspacegrant\/Documents\/NASA%20SP-2007-6105%20Rev%201%20Final%2031Dec2007.pdfWe should expand the \"mission\" paragraph by having real mission goals according to NASA standards: The goals should be, if possible, quantifiable and verifiable.This means - the goals should have a set quantity that needs to be achieved, and it should be possible during the mission, to check that the objectives are achieved.For example, instead of \"establish habitation areas for astronauts\" we should write how much habitation area we want to create for how many astronauts.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.423491328Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-08-31T20:07:29+0100", "id": "93ea838770ed5b1c368f8874391f9659", "post_id": "post-252500", "text": "I've used Aerobrake MFD for this and it worked perfectly. I think my approach dipped as low as 45KM!", "thread_id": 16302 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.559419136Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-11T16:34:43+0000", "id": "0d4b631c466daa2aafeb079d410e307e", "post_id": "post-220359", "text": "T.Neo said:Before assuming this, consider thephysical limitations of the hardware you are working with.You simply cannot fit more than a single Merlin Vacuum nozzle under Falcon-diameter tankage. See here, the base of the F9 first stage, with Merlin nozzles visible:And then here. The MVac nozzle is covered by the white sheet, and is visible between stages one and two (behind the red ladder thing):The nozzle extension is so large, that it fills the entire interstage.Unless you mean taking some sort of Merlin with an MVac expansion ratio and TAN-ing it to get the proper T\/W, in which case;1. You'll have to reinforce the engine\/nozzle extension and its thrust structure to withstand the higher thrust.2. You'll have to find some way to pump the TAN propellants.3. If the radiatively cooled nozzle extension even works in the atmosphere, you may need to prevent the niobium alloy from oxidising\/burning in air.Perhaps a more realistic option would be to pull four or five engines off of F9, increase the area ratio of the remaining engines, and design them for TAN. Such a vehicle might have comparable liftoff thrust to F9, along with higher ISP in a vacuum, and fewer engines (lower cost, less risk of catastrophic engine failure).\n\nAnother advantage of the aerospike is that you don't need that long, wide, nozzle to get the high vacuum Isp. So it can be useful for upper stages as well for its compact size.For the TAN an interesting possibility is just using one single nozzle for all the engines. So you would have all the combustion chambers for all the engines exhausting into a single large nozzle. According to Phil Bono, the progenitor of so many SSTO concepts, this would actually increase your Isp:Chamber\/single nozzle.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/chaozzle.htmAlso, try using your TAN concept for the Falcon 9 engines with a reasonable vacuum thrust and Isp on Schilling's launch performance site. What do you get for the payload of the SSTO?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.880816384Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-27T02:21:14+0100", "id": "44bbf4f887f996b6365e83a6518acc32", "post_id": "post-219460", "text": "Well, look at the ISS. It's a central truss with stuff bolted onto it. The reason is that it's much easier to construct a structure in orbit that way, each launch bringing up a new module.You could build a space ship that looks like a Romulan Warbird, but why? A ship made for use in vacuum doesn't have to be pretty or aerodynamic, it just needs to stand up under thrust loads and torques. External cladding and other things have mass, and useless mass is the last thing you want aboard a spacecraft with limited delta-V.Vehicles like those in Star Trek, by comparison, have almost magical propulsion systems with nearly unlimited delta-V, and their shapes are explained away as necessary for the warp drive to work. On top of that you can add the artificial gravity which allows the dacks to be arranged like a terrestrial ship or airliner. All whimsical, no realistic approach at all.A real space vehicle needs to have strength, radiation protection for the crew, and easy access for maintenance by men in spacesuits. So it will wind up looking pretty much like the examples you gave, or like the ISS.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.754968576Z", "author": "Mattyv", "date": "2012-02-08T00:43:15+0000", "id": "964e28f4f3cba0dd582ede0861d81ce3", "post_id": "post-251348", "text": "From one of my little brother's favorite cartoons:Don't ask me what this is.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.595494912Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-01T19:10:24+0100", "id": "174687a24f8ed605194d93f65596bc53", "post_id": "post-220504", "text": "Well, from our side it's thank you SAM.(sorry)", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.154551552Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-04-27T08:31:22+0100", "id": "5462dd6a4949250083e7e89385bfb1dd", "post_id": "post-219665", "text": "shangding said:like when i play 6 - Docked at ISS.scn ,once i go in simulator,i got this.this is why?\n\nThat's because you're using the Orbiter beta with the 1.0 version of the Ravenstar: the Orbiter core's atmospheric model has changed in Orbiter 2010, and so you need to run the updated beta versions of the XR vessels as well. I've been hard at work on official XR patch release candidates, which will be released for testing once the next Orbiter 2010 release candidate is released, but until then you can take a look inthis threadfor details and download links to some early XR betas that should work fine with Orbiter 2010 (scroll about halfway down the page).EDIT:Thanks, KosmoKen, for posting the thread link already! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14027 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.002151936Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-15T01:45:27+0100", "id": "a25cec5ca70e4ac31bf53a11a06a29ba", "post_id": "post-251929", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity sol 38 update: arm tests done, on the road again, and an important question answered", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.643825152Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-28T04:51:54+0100", "id": "e9e3eed07a701d0956b026de1384fac8", "post_id": "post-220977", "text": "Urwumpe said:I want it all.\n\nYou get what you pay for :lol:Alright pushing on,To make a habitable area, we need;ShelterHab moduleAdditional Living spaceInflatables?underground?Cargo Storage areasECLSSFood\/WaterStorage areaCreation \/ refinement \/ purification (part of ECLSS)...or bring along or combination of bothHeatElectric or reuse of waste heat from RTGCommunicationHigh-gain\/low gain antennasRelay station (ground - LMO - Earth) (I doubt we can continue working off an aging satellite for long)Power generationbig RTG or single SNAP-10ADepending on power requirements, multiple 'stations' for additional power.Equipment for construction\/moving cargo extForklift?Electric truck?Bulldozer? (or are we going to 'fake it?' I vote so)Work Tools (container anyway)wrenches, hammers, shovels, ext ext can be put in a deploy able UCGO cargo, which could deploy into a work bench & tool shelves ext.MedicalMed cargopossible surgery equipment? (medical module, orbit only, the rest can be done in a building\/inflatable bay with med tool cargo)Rocket Fuel production\/storageAbove ground drums or cylinders (like propane tanks)underground fuel containers (gas station style)Any more? Am I forgetting any part of the basic necessity of life (on Mars anyway)This leaves us with a list of;Deployable cargoTools\/workbenches (many different boxes, as you are limited to UCGO size box.)Fuel tanksGreenhousesAntennasPower -RTG or SNAP-10A. (I vote SNAP)Hab modulesWater bins\/storage purificationStatic (for looks) cargoMedical cargoMedical toolsMedical computers\/instruments (whatever you call em)Tool containersDrums\/containers for fuelUCGO vehicleForkliftTruck?Some of these cannot use the UCGO boxes, because they will not fit. We will have to devise our own way of transporting the larger items.I think something like a forklift would be required because you cannot really expect a person to lift a crate of rocks that weighs like 3,000 kg on Earth, or 1,000 kg on Mars however a method of moving pre-built equipment is necessary. I don't think a forklift will fit into a UCGO cargo box.;)Could be its own module\/vessel where in the scenario it will point to the module that needs to be created when this vessel destroys(opens- removes fairing) itself?This is going to make a fair number of separate addons for Orbiter...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.146379264Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-04-27T11:43:15+0100", "id": "a3ae6d56f50a3f846729d30660378dcf", "post_id": "post-219649", "text": "Can't wait untill this is built! This will be a magnificent telescope!", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.67302144Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2008-06-11T16:30:30+0100", "id": "e4e340b15ee742867b631d73f0d2b69a", "post_id": "post-69091", "text": "So, I get the PROPELLANT_HANDLE on the constructor...The .pdf file, is it on the web? If not, I can get up to 10Mb by e-mail... I'll PM you the address...", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817257984Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-26T18:49:26+0100", "id": "87d8561533ce9fba0e0d3d0cf1843f61", "post_id": "post-219360", "text": "Stephen Hawking warns over making contact with aliensSee BBC articlehere.\"If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans,\" he said.\n\nDid he mathematically discover the Galactic Empire?? :lol:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.154275328Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-04-27T08:22:33+0100", "id": "0fb4f2a277d078e252eba1e276b4240a", "post_id": "post-219663", "text": "That is a bug with the Beta version of Orbiter. There is a discussion and a temporary fix here;http:\/\/orbiter-forum.com\/project.php?issueid=104.", "thread_id": 14027 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.787638016Z", "author": "Der Zeitgeist", "date": "2012-08-05T21:04:38+0100", "id": "e91470cafaaba3adf0ac3d640ad696a3", "post_id": "post-251488", "text": "Does the countdown show the time to actual touchdown, or the time to touchdown +14 minutes (signal arrival on Earth)?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.473925632Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-01T20:43:49+0100", "id": "ec2f5d1b2ff38cfaa6b695326fb97168", "post_id": "post-219933", "text": "Unstung said:How about no people altogether?\n\nYeah, they can all be blank and worth as much as their weight in whatever material they are made of! :lol:", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.168414464Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-02T15:19:04+0100", "id": "45e4e2810a543f6212b410b683725d1e", "post_id": "post-219682", "text": "Some rendezvous & docking photos from Soichi Noguchi via Twitter:", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.990267904Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-08-22T10:16:41+0100", "id": "eb27ff0b0a4576344409d040cc24be4a", "post_id": "post-251856", "text": "Problem is that for each gram of shielding you add on the rover, you need to add propellant on the rocket's upper stage, on the navigation thrusters, and on the skycrane...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.086619136Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2012-04-19T15:53:14+0100", "id": "cb5a28b774353fb7244400f775e156bb", "post_id": "post-219560", "text": "Andy44 said:And I'll re-post this one for good measure; my old Lunar Space Shuttle add-on:\n\nThat's done by taking a photograph of your monitor; am I remembering right?I wonder if such a camera would work in a vacuum environment...or a microgravity one, for that matter.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.151806208Z", "author": "Chupacabra", "date": "2010-08-30T06:44:07+0100", "id": "c208235f3ea16eea8935e42ab248927b", "post_id": "post-252294", "text": "No problem, glad I could help!:tiphat:", "thread_id": 16279 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.314281984Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-04-28T13:22:48+0100", "id": "ac87cfdf3a460c54157746c2f20543eb", "post_id": "post-219765", "text": "dbeachy1 said:Perhaps it's just specific to certain card models -- it's running fine on my Windows 7 x64 box here with a GTX 280. That's a weird bug!\n\nThis could be because of Mobile version of graphics card (at least 2 cases have M in model name), or because of low models of the cards. Problems were reported with GF 210M, 220, and 320M, so at the low part of these series.MJR said:Can your PSU support the use of the card? What about the motherboard?\n\nI think the PSU, motherboard, and graphics card are packed inside a laptop in this case, so if anything needed to be additionally connected to the graphics card, it already was.", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.405154304Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-29T14:43:32+0100", "id": "d759f3aa1d481359f2917ca773ddda66", "post_id": "post-219801", "text": "Try [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3201\"]Orbiter diagnostic V0.2[\/\"]Search[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14045 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.757586944Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-05-08T13:15:33+0100", "id": "2ef0f6516d71b372b6c12354ef736b33", "post_id": "post-251368", "text": "IronRain said:If you look at the video, you can see that Curiosity is pretty stable before being lowered\/landed. I think it won't be a problem\n\nOf course, this is just an animation for public relations, which is always perfect.But the simulation results of such a system should also not be too instable.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.552623104Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-11-13T14:38:25+0000", "id": "aaf220455f92cf7bc53c608ba4cbb5f2", "post_id": "post-220278", "text": "For the Atlas, since that is a booster section that drops away, that makes the comparison more difficult.\n\nHow so? It would increase the complexity of things, sure, but surely the disconnect\/separation system can't mass over a quarter the mass of the entire vehicle!Also the Atlas had an unusual method to save weight on the propellant tanks. It used what are called \"balloon tanks\". It's based on the idea that inflating a structure can increase its compressional and bending strength. Consider an inflated tire or basketball for example. Then this fact was used to reduce the thickness of the walls of the Atlas tanks. The reduced strength of the walls was made up for by the increased strength due to the internal pressure.In fact for the Atlas its walls are so thin the structure can not stand on its own when empty. When in storage its propellant tanks are filled with nitrogen. Otherwise it would collapse under its own weight:\n\nIt is not a bad thing, it served Atlas well for decades and continues to be used with the Centaur stage. And the SpaceX Falcon tanks use a similar concept (but are beefed up to be self-supporting, they only require pressurisation to withstand flight loads).The fact that Centaur needs to be pressurised to support itself is not problematic, with modern technology the process is automated and alerts are sent to engineers via email.Considering your crusade for the reduction in tank mass, I would have thought you'd have a more positive impression of pressure supported structures.Note the propellant tanks for this hydrogen fueled SSTO weigh more than the engines. This problem of weight is especially true for hydrogen fueled vehicles because the tanks for hydrogen have to be so heavy because of its low density.\n\nI have not read that pdf very closely (looks very interesting though- thank you), butthis pagegives the mass of the STS ET LH2 tank as 29 000 \"pounds\" (approximately 13 200 kilograms) empty. The mass of three SSME is 9531 kilograms (going by figures on Wikipedia) and that is not including thrust structure.And the DIRECT J-130 core stage dry mass figure, with three SSMEs removed, is still roughly two times more massive than the shuttle ET (the tank is supposedly reinforced to withstand the loads of a heavy upper stage, but still thrust structure mass has to be in there somewhere).But think of it like this:Let's say engines make up 25% of a launch vehicle (as shown by the few examples that I gave a page or two back). Let's say that the thrust structure masses the same as the engines, and is also 25% of the dry mass. Let's allocate a further 5% to \"other stuff\", and leave the remaining 45% for the propellant tank mass.If we reduce the tank mass by a whole 50%, the vehicle mass is only reduced by 22.5%.The less the tanks mass as a percentage of dry weight, the less impact lightening them will have. If tanks are only 30% of the vehicle mass, halving the mass of the tanks will only shave 15% of the dry mass off.Ok, so maybe that is still advantageous enough to warrant its existence. But it isn't near \"halve the vehicle dry mass\" or \"double mass ratio\". And tanks can't just be lightened at a whim, they still have to contain propellant and support payload...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.662553344Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T05:40:39+0100", "id": "85cf442b952d32e918ae9f45af70a8f7", "post_id": "post-220623", "text": "I'm not saying it's necessary, only that it could be useful for controlling the vessel once it's built.And that's only if someone wants to go figure it out without a manual.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.92193408Z", "author": "marcheenek", "date": "2012-08-06T06:50:32+0100", "id": "36dd108e420eaea0258fc6a6a05859a0", "post_id": "post-251635", "text": "That was awesome! I got this screenshot from the livecast.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.556889088Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2012-01-04T20:02:40+0000", "id": "ef6a067b60def9d94bc0eb49bfd74f12", "post_id": "post-220328", "text": "RGClark said:The beauty of the rocket equation is that it tells you what you need to do to get that rocket vehicle within the scenario you're considering. For the single stage to orbit vehicle case you need high efficiency engines and lightweight stages. We now have both the high efficiency engines and the lightweight stages. To disregard that would be just like looking at the 2-stage case seeing what the engine requirements are, noting we have engines of those requirements, and seeing what the stage requirements are, noting we have stages with those requirements and then suddenly deciding despite that that it's \"impossible\" and can't be done.\n\nIs not whether it is mathematically possible, the argument is over whether it is mechanically and economically feasible to do so.Two factors that you consistantly ignore.Likewise I thought you wanted to discuss my reservations with your earlier post. Let's discuss them.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.818312448Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-26T21:29:40+0100", "id": "074e226384c1e3cb129c6698a96b1d78", "post_id": "post-219372", "text": "Yeah - why attack a \"heavily\" defended Earth, if you could get more of the better stuff somewhere else... Except human slaves for our insectoid overlords.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.922413568Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:50:56+0100", "id": "fb7cbf7544da68164df9c92a533ddf80", "post_id": "post-251637", "text": "In any case, machines have better capaiblities than a man in a space suit. Time is too limited for people on EVA. Whereas a machine is on 24\/7 eva..!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.783575808Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-04-26T04:13:13+0100", "id": "93ac50ceb9b1b607bd2cb7647f8d6bc0", "post_id": "post-219315", "text": "Are you using AMSO or NASSP?", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.085580544Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-09-12T20:58:41+0100", "id": "5ee3403e6b5b9af6304f46f05e6f6f4d", "post_id": "post-219553", "text": "I tried my first timelapse tonight, and I took a photo a minute for approximatley an hour facing south. For my next one, I would like to continue the photo into the night while switching to timed exposures to show the stars moving across the sky.Also, I am getting into the more technical side of astro-photography with my first landscape shots in theastro-photothread. I used multiple exposure times in layers to give the foreground and stars, and tried using dark frames to remove some noise.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.001737216Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-09-14T00:31:51+0100", "id": "112d032d75b9cab38b5d6f1ed9e95df1", "post_id": "post-251925", "text": "That penny could be worth a lot if somebody bring it back to Earth one day.:)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.07856128Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-11T15:59:41+0100", "id": "299392799a7e46c2d7aa02e8e709dcab", "post_id": "post-219514", "text": "So I have this project I'm working on, but I had to start with some tests. These are cellphone pictures of my laptop screen, with one of my addons depicted in lunar orbit. The idea is to make photos of space-age or hi-tech subjects using primitive photographic methods. I set my cellphone to \"warmtone\" mode, which gives the photos a very 19th-century look to them. The results look like an old sci-fi movie shot, or something shot during the Cold War:I learned a few things from this. For starters photos of even matte computer flat panels are complicated by reflections. Also, a tripod with a very steady mount is required. And I have to remember that on a computer panel, even the black sky gives off light which will register on the film or CCD.I think I'm ready to expose this using a real camera next, and make a photo using an alternative process. Will keep you posted!", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.583699456Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-08-11T15:02:51+0100", "id": "4962ba2dc37eab8c6063550c7c21fdf6", "post_id": "post-220212", "text": "Urwumpe said:...I think you should get a blog instead of a forum, because you don't want people to answer you anyway. Or write a book: \"How I created another SSTO that will never get build because I screwed up math in Phase I\"...\n\nIf you don't find the topic interesting or believable you are freely encouraged not to read it or respond to it.However, I severely doubt that other readers of this forum would want you to make that decision for them.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.324875776Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2008-05-27T11:18:29+0100", "id": "9a8e56f2b8de46af83f92c4d287d1acb", "post_id": "post-69050", "text": "Master of Blades said:Looks gewd D:Now i may have missed somethin here, but does this involve colision detection? And how about the terrain textures get all messed up when you alt-tab?\n\nCollision detection extension provided in the 1.0 link:Collision Detection support:MeshLand 2, WIP version:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/MLVS-WIP-080327.zipInstallation by standard Unpack&Play, activate MeshLand_2 module.Unstable.\n\nThe alt-tab texture mess up seems to be platform-dependent, and i haven't found a generic solution for it yet.", "thread_id": 1630 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57389696Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2014-11-16T12:12:26+0000", "id": "f0cb80876f20654837e03370b594207f", "post_id": "post-220496", "text": "orbitingpluto said:My estimate of ~9000 m\/s does include margin for gravity losses and drag, but I do realize I was making things a bit too simple. :shrug:\n\nThe conservative estimate is 9200 m\/s.You can lower this - but practically, this means stuff like accelerating with 12 g or having a white glowing nose.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.665346304Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T00:44:38+0100", "id": "e214628fd4c1eb5e9a5192e1a78f126f", "post_id": "post-220650", "text": "This works too. Come to think of it, it makes more sense than magically making fuel en route. As it is, I think some sort of booster stage is in order to push the stack out of Earth's SOI, or perhaps out to the Moon. Head around the Moon once, build up speed and come back past Earth, where the NERVA would kick in and sent it sailing off Marsward. The NERVA alone just doesn't seem to be enough.As for a name, the first one I'd pick would be MES (Martian Exploration Vehicle) 01 Endeavour, but that's sort of already taken by a Shuttle. Any ideas?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.78596224Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2012-08-05T16:24:20+0100", "id": "c379dfe2f17704cf31ad5592341356c8", "post_id": "post-251475", "text": "Staying up late to watch. Got popcorn and bourbon!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.64908288Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-06-10T06:25:17+0100", "id": "7c70f5effa3ab68bb780718f51280a16", "post_id": "post-221021", "text": "Not griping, but when I proposed the mission, I suggested the use of the dg's or xr2's so that a) we would have a lander that most every pilot in the rotation knew how to fly, and b) so that we would not have to custom model EVERYTHING.I have no problem with a custom lander, but the use of such is going to limit the number of pilots available in the flight rotation who can operate it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.562695424Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-06-06T06:23:52+0100", "id": "9cfa81d1d78ddbe5c7454a31e5026052", "post_id": "post-220402", "text": "TMac3000 said:I believe SSTO is possible, but not with currently technology. We're close, but need to make pretty serious strides in materials and propulsion technology.\n\nI would say we CAN build SSTOs with current technology. But not make SSTOs the economic weapon of mass transportation that some proponents suggest.This isn't really a matter of technology, but physics and economics. An SSTO would need to compete with TSTOs. And TSTOs are closer to be reuseable for example, than SSTOs, can reach orbit with much lower performance requirements for the subsystems, etc.You also can't just compare launch vehicles to aircraft - a small launch vehicle requires the energy of a A380 airliner to haul just 7-12 tons of payload into LEO. What you can learn from airliners is logistics and operations - and that for both SSTOs and TSTOs as well. For example, who says that the first stage of a reusable TSTO needs to be made or operated by the same company as the second stage? In engineering, the second stage of a first stage is just payload. Large payload maybe, but payload.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.013576704Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-12-06T08:57:12+0000", "id": "c2ecacd8ea0af0a5df5c30e797e91997", "post_id": "post-252049", "text": "NASA JPL:Orbiter Spies Where Rover's Cruise Stage Hit MarsDecember 05, 2012During the 10 minutes before the NASA Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft entered the Martian atmosphere to deliver the rover Curiosity to the surface, the spacecraft shed its cruise stage, which had performed vital functions during the flight from Earth, and then jettisoned two 165-pound (75-kilogram) blocks of tungsten to gain aerodynamic lift.Cameras on the NASA Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have imaged impact scars where the tungsten blocks and the broken-apart cruise stage hit about 50 miles (80 kilometers) west of where Curiosity landed on Aug. 5, 2012, PDT (Aug. 6, UTC).Click on image for details\u200bThese images from the NASA Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter show several impact scars on Mars made by pieces of the NASA Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft that the spacecraft shed just before entering the Martian atmosphere.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Univ. of Arizona\u200bThe images from the orbiter's High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera are online athttp:\/\/www.jpl.nasa.gov\/spaceimages\/details.php?id=PIA16456.Although hundreds of new impact sites have been imaged on Mars, researchers do not get independent information about the initial size, velocity, density, strength, or impact angle of the objects. For the Mars Science Laboratory hardware, such information is known, so study of this impact field will provide information on impact processes and Mars surface and atmospheric properties.{...}[\/url]The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity update, sol 117: Progress report from AGU", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.649167104Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-06-10T07:13:46+0100", "id": "29c13b9680cb672eb6d38958370a6448", "post_id": "post-221022", "text": "Is the wiki article an accurate summary the topic so far? I'd like to get in on this but 34 pages is a little hard to read, especially if there's an alternative.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.632627712Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-19T01:37:40+0100", "id": "6a293eb24961b5ba61bffd24a35da4d7", "post_id": "post-220899", "text": "Could someone send me a list of cargoes required for this mission? I can get on making the textures, if you'd like.Bloodworth: Why not? You're the surface expedition manager, so it's your choice.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.09709056Z", "author": "Art", "date": "2008-07-04T22:41:49+0100", "id": "2fa9a2ed862add408e10c1674c16e6d8", "post_id": "post-69024", "text": "Hey guys, the best way is NOT to use series wiring...it is to use parallel DC systems with a multi-pole switch. Multiple systems running off of a switch that is actually a cluster of switches. If you get an ignitor to fry off early that can snuff your system if it acts as a fuse.Other advice: if you use thermite or magnesium in your ignitors, mill it finer than you normally would.Another remark is that you are in possession of what is often called \"moon burner\" engines. You might do better in altitude and burn time is you use them as second stage motors. Put a nice first stage under them that gets the thing up to speed, and then the moon burner gives you that nice long burn under a much downsized second stage that sounds so far-out and cool when you hear the doppler effect.", "thread_id": 1627 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664420864Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-04T20:38:45+0100", "id": "344d8541897519c5683c146c77409a6b", "post_id": "post-220642", "text": "Actually, I just found this:View attachment Mars DRA 5.zip(I had to compress it because it's a big file). Perhaps our OFMM could be modeled after NASA's plans for a Mars mission.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.403777536Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-28T12:17:56+0100", "id": "9d03cb8e46c78ecb4e89c205c49278f6", "post_id": "post-219798", "text": "Try this...In the scenario (the **.scn file) that you are running, there should be a header \"System Environment\", (I't have the MJD and a string of numbers). See if it say System\/Sol\/something, if it does, shorten that to just 'Sol'. That will stop it from looking for the NASA VSE stuffIIRC, that is something that Simcosmos made, his stuff is really good but I think I needed something else to get it all to run. I think it's all in the documentation.", "thread_id": 14045 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.317304576Z", "author": "dkluempers", "date": "2008-07-25T02:58:19+0100", "id": "8d935f7d4e1359975dd541a0e3c72c85", "post_id": "post-12906", "text": "Just a quick note; I checked and the following links do not appear to active:More Basic TutorialsHow to Make Orbiter Videos & Screen ShotsAdvanced FlightThe Easiest Mars Trip I've Ever Done! Using I-MFDSpace Shuttle TutorialsAtlantis to ISSAtlantis Reentry and LandingApollo TutorialsApollo Lunar Landing Mission TutorialApollo 11 TutorialI do not mean this to be critical; I just wanted to point out links that are no longer active or no longer contain the listed tutorial. I love reading through these since I learn so much from them.", "thread_id": 163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5523968Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-11-12T20:57:18+0000", "id": "9d698d15a4a27117ec4181acc20534f9", "post_id": "post-220276", "text": "T.Neo said:Figures, so far all the documents of that sort I've found have had to do with reusable spaceplanes and not more usual launch vehicle stages. :dry:I think that generally, peoplereallylike reusable spaceplanes...\n\nPossible. I think the problem is rather historic: Most active simpler launchers are military technology and many details about their project management like such estimates are either military secret or company secrets.Space planes are simply of more academic nature.This one goes into the tank department, which is fairly simple, but good enough to show that the tank structural mass isn't that large.https:\/\/www.princeton.edu\/~stengel\/MAE342Lecture4.pdfAnd this one here goes to teach why the proper design of thrust structures is so important for rockets:http:\/\/er.jsc.nasa.gov\/seh\/main_EDC_Spacecraft_Structures.pdf", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551215616Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-09-21T19:29:17+0100", "id": "322b1b86b8a7a1562e8165e740b25fd1", "post_id": "post-220264", "text": "And could maybe one day be a small first with a large second stage, that already is very close to a SSTO.\n\nThis I find particularly interesting. If you take an SSTO, downgrade it considerably, and place it on top of a relatively 'small' first stage, you could end up with considerable performance.A low seperation velocity for the first stage would make recovery easier as well.and remember: The Skylon doesn't even fly yet. While the calculations and planning has been found solid and the company managed to meet their engineering milestones, it does not mean the final flight costs will really be automatically at $200\/kg.\n\nVery good point.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.539145728Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-07T18:23:17+0100", "id": "cb76a7c853fc0d4efa2bd4595918640c", "post_id": "post-252852", "text": "Yahoo News: \"Medal snub for Russian cosmonaut sparks 'cosmic scandal'\".\"The entire Russian cosmonaut community is up in arms at what is happening and in the end they may all go on strike.\"\n\n:OMG:", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.569564672Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-02-27T01:18:50+0000", "id": "d301f8deb0b3f447dbb086c904260b67", "post_id": "post-220113", "text": "Urwumpe said:The closest approximation is a linear interpolation of specific impulse. for the exact measured numbers, you need a look-up table for a nozzle, since the data is highly non-linear and also no longer just depending on atmospheric pressure, but also chamber pressure.\n\nI've been informed by email that one way of calculating the difference in thrust with altitude is by using the formula:F = q*Ve+(Pe-Pa)*AeIsp = F\/(g*q)where,q = propellant mass flow rateVe = exhaust gas velocityPe = pressure at the nozzle exitPa = ambient air pressureAe = area of nozzle exitg = standard acceleration of gravity = 9.80665 m\/s2So if you assume the propellant flow rate and exhaust velocity are the same, then the difference in the thrusts at two different altitudes will be the difference in the ambient pressures at the two altitudes times the area of the nozzle exit.Here are thrust numbers for sea level and vacuum for the SSME:Space Shuttle main engine.Thrust specifications* 100% thrust (sea level \/ vacuum): 1670 kN \/ 2090 kN (375,000 lbf \/ 470,000 lbf)* 104.5% thrust (sea level \/ vacuum): 1750 kN \/ 2170 kN (393,800 lbf \/ 488,800 lbf)* 109% thrust (sea level \/ vacuum): 1860 kN \/ 2280 kN (417,300 lbf \/ 513,250 lbf)http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#Thrust_specificationsUsing the 4.7 m^2 nozzle area given on this page, the calculated value of the sea level thrust calculated from the vacuum thrust is off by about 3% from the actual value.This is probably good enough to get a good idea of the validity of the Hudson value for the average Isp. You would use the data on that page that gave the altitude of the shuttle during the flight and the exponential decrease in the air pressure with altitude.Still I am curious about the factors that would cause the 3% discrepancy. Perhaps variations in mixture ratio during the flight cause differences in exhaust velocity?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.610756352Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T19:46:42+0100", "id": "dfcbf61949b660c8f3ecdd5026f31a1a", "post_id": "post-220541", "text": "More like, drop the cargo, the other crew goes home, stay until the next crew arrives, then go home, wait for your launch, and so on.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.930707712Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2012-08-06T09:05:45+0100", "id": "ab85139f4337c97403a9cb40b9b43740", "post_id": "post-251691", "text": "ESA gets a credit too:http:\/\/www.esa.int\/esaCP\/SEMAKBVXF5H_index_0.htmlby ESA...N.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.648532224Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-09T02:28:31+0100", "id": "27e5268c983687787af9b6bebf027855", "post_id": "post-221017", "text": "Izack said:Yes, it looks like 2010 is the platform of choice. However, I thought we had opted out of using XRs or DGs.\n\nI must have missed something major then! What are we using as landers? To be 100% honest, I'm not sure what's going on anymore...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.880260864Z", "author": "Spike Spiegel", "date": "2010-04-27T00:54:50+0100", "id": "c38da0e6c5b370294b32a95bce3ff2a6", "post_id": "post-219458", "text": "I've noticed over the years that many sci-fi spacecraft that are meant to appear \"near-future\" in design or construction have a major similarity. They often have a central truss\/beam that the other components are \"mounted\" to. For example, the Discovery from 2001\/2010, the Event Horizon, the ship from Defying Gravity (Antares?), the ship from Avatar, and even the Deepstar addon for Orbiter.I'm wondering if there's a really good engineering reason why this design is so popular. Sure it looks pretty cool, and is acceptable since the ship won't fly in an atmosphere, but why not use a different design? Why is that type of design popular?", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.011847936Z", "author": "Marvin42", "date": "2012-11-27T09:31:38+0000", "id": "169ecaac8ad1d76a9e7e9b0440c2f41f", "post_id": "post-252031", "text": "I see two large rocks that have clear sharp edges and almost straight sides in the top right side of the image. Where can this be found in nature (I guess clean faces like that with sharp edges are easy to spot and so we know a lot of the composition of those rocks on Earth)? I remember I've seen something like that rock in a place where they were extracting rock for constructions but they used drills+pyro to get clean cuts like that.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.07688192Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-06-30T06:12:26+0100", "id": "d705382744e4c3b25bc2de40c6e4f010", "post_id": "post-219506", "text": "Very cool stuff, TBX! Among the many toys I have in my junk pile, a fisheye is not one of them. I'd love to have one, but I don't think they made one specifically for any of my cameras. There might be one that fits a universal T-mount somewhere out there, though.Since all of my \"serious\" photography is shot on film in an obsolete camera(s) most of that software magic stuff is lost on me, although if I scan my stuff in I could always process it digitally. I prefer sticking my hands into carcinogenic chemicals, though!One thing that cracks me up is one of the commentors complaining about having to manual focus stuff. None of my favorite cameras has auto-focus, LOL.I really love that whole full-spherical view stuff, it's amazing to see everything in sight pictured on a rectangular 2D surface.---------- Post added at 01:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:47 AM ----------BTW, did you look at that guy's blog? He's got an interactive panorama there:http:\/\/www.neilcreek.com\/blog\/2007\/05\/15\/more-from-albert\/", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433652992Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2008-05-12T07:06:42+0100", "id": "c5acefe797ecd0f0d9267ded1f97a9d2", "post_id": "post-65206", "text": "thomasantony said:We may just decide to put something on the PSLV or the GSLV that shouldn't be there ... and fire it off.~Thomas\n\nWouldn't a *G*SLV (intended to carry payload to GEO) be a little overshoot for that? I thought you had Agni or Brahmos for such use.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.415101952Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2010-08-31T17:08:55+0100", "id": "7a7b67d91a36251cfe9d05c59f64fa8e", "post_id": "post-252462", "text": "Author:brianjAn experimental and extended version of the default Orbiter2010 Solar Sail.Features attitude control using the steering paddles and extra data displayed on HUD.Includes Earth-orbit test scenario, some development and operation notes, C++ code.21 Jan 2011: Added attitude-hold functions for high time accelerations (attitude set mathematically by module) : max-prograde, max-retrograde, flux-relative, velocity-relative, escape strategy.DOWNLOAD", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.078003456Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-03T19:58:58+0100", "id": "fc6374cf376705da92a501bd153a6341", "post_id": "post-219512", "text": "I like how it looks like the window sill is moving, but it's really just snow piling up in front of the camera.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555990528Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-03T20:45:44+0000", "id": "aed7a5d2a5784a08ed557a351aa5fe98", "post_id": "post-220317", "text": "Urwumpe said:My local electronics market trades TV sets with \"1200\" refresh rates. The TV manufacturer sure knows best what his TV set can do and will not try to cheat me with such numbers right? :facepalm:\n\nI'm not understanding your analogy. Are you saying SpaceX benefits financially by intentionally deceiving people on this issue?Or are you making some other point?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.560247808Z", "author": "Jamesep3", "date": "2010-09-04T23:14:10+0100", "id": "568d878f78ada806fb7588db467cf60a", "post_id": "post-252923", "text": "Hey um mine dosn't work I am missing the box mesh and it dosn't unpack.:shrug:", "thread_id": 16336 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5572928Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-05T18:07:23+0000", "id": "2ce7f2d864fb2d083157b76346eaf618", "post_id": "post-220334", "text": "T.Neo said:Which includes both Falcon 9andthe Dragon spacecraft, not just F9 alone.Not anymore, F9 is now advertised as $54-60 million.Falcon Heavy is now advertised at $80-125 million.The prices you have given arepreviouslyadvertised ones... which shows something else: as SpaceX has gone on, its prices have increased.\n\nBut that is for the 53,000 kg launcher, which is about $2,000 per kg, about $1,000 per pound.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 12:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:33 PM ----------Urwumpe said:...What SpaceX promises in their marketing mode, and what they really charge as price, are not the same at all.If you assume, SpaceX manages to (magically) reduce the costs by 5% every year (a pretty good value, it means it gets cheaper despite inflation), SpaceX would need 137 years to get that low. If spaceX manages to half the cost every year (which is after decades of spaceflight a tiny bit unrealistic), it would take just 4 years.\n\nSo if SpaceX did offer an IPO tomorrow you would not buy that stock? Even considering that if they succeeded at Elon's avowed dedication to reducing the cost of space to the $100 to $200 per kg range by reusability would mean they would dominate the market?Bob Clark---------- Post added at 01:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:40 PM ----------T.Neo said:It seems you pick up on a sort of 'buzzword' (for example, \"SSTO can cut costs to $100\/kg\", \"private development can be 1\/10th the cost of government development\" or soforth) and keep on repeating it (in a manner that harkens the term 'stuck record') whenever someone challenges your claims or asks you to properly substantiate them.\n\nYes, I am going to keep emphasizing that point about privately financed launchers cutting the cost to space until it sinks in. In fact I was thinking about making it my sig file.:)Think about it. You frequently hear about developing a new manned launcher would be a billion dollar project. Say it cost $3 billion by the usual NASA estimates. What that means is that it would only cost $300 million if it were privately financed.Then any of the large defense contractors could develop their own manned launchers out of their own \"pocket change\". We could have routine manned space flight if the full implications of what SpaceX accomplished were realized.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.608481536Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-01T23:00:13+0100", "id": "dd2d0acc8cce2da2d82ac45329a2eca1", "post_id": "post-220525", "text": "I would be interested it it. I'm currently building a moonbase in the Copernicus crater (using the HLV mod). So I'm using not-quite-unavailable-tech right now.I've flown around in the Arrow, but honestly am not that good with all the functions yet. And I consider her to be pretty-far-in-the-future-tech. I'm also still a noob with TransX and IMFD (but I'm getting better).I'd certainly be available for ferry flights from LEO to Luna.I'd suggest if missions to LEO are to be on the manifest, then to use the ISS. The OFSS is comprised of a great many pieces\/parts, whereas the ISS is one mesh and easier on the resourses.Or bypass LEO entirely and run straight for the moon, or an Arrow in Lunar orbit.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.614162176Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-25T23:39:35+0100", "id": "e04b818d67372e139d9b3d762d64e078", "post_id": "post-253001", "text": "That thing islarge! It looks like something Doctor Robotnik would need. :lol:", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.564781056Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-08-08T20:35:00+0100", "id": "5e722373bcf573104a8a9c683e77a4f1", "post_id": "post-220423", "text": "Velcro Rockets is a really fun and easy addon to play around with. There's nothing intimidating about it; it's all based on .cfg and .scn files, the functions are well described in the documentation and the values should make sense to anyone with a good idea of launch vehicle comparisons.I've spent many an afternoon creating all sorts of interesting combinations (as well as all-new stages).", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6501248Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-06-11T03:01:06+0100", "id": "aa47790869d23edf82a4e4ef2591e430", "post_id": "post-221031", "text": "Just remember, we need to be able to get between 10 and 20 people to the ground, so a 2 man vehicle is out.and the LM was supported quite heavily while under earth gravity. While the body may have survived earth gravity, the landing gear would not, the LM was NEVER placed on its landing gear on earth.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.665644544Z", "author": "silent_protagonist", "date": "2010-09-06T20:36:56+0100", "id": "c26172bdd917f80d7b1600b4c81d9765", "post_id": "post-253117", "text": "Well, if we persuaded Frank Borman and Jim Lovell to spend two weeks in aGemini capsule, I think we won't have trouble convincing three people to spend the better part of a year in a craft where at least they can take a shower.", "thread_id": 16349 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5865472Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-17T15:16:37+0100", "id": "55e43761bfb8c57f4c8869de50373ad8", "post_id": "post-220249", "text": "But there is absolutely NO advantage in expendable SSTOs.Also, the estimates in the presentation are not really realistic, did you already apply the estimates to existing rockets? If they would be really first order or second order estimates, they should be slightly higher (conservative estimate) than the real masses.The professor did not really go into details how he arrived at the formulas, also in the few cases you manage to see real measurement samples in a plot, you notice a really small number of samples.This is good enough for teaching students the work flow, but I would recommend correcting the estimates - especially the tank and tank insulation masses are way off if you use real numbers, simply because you don't know how high the pressure in the tank is and how high the structural loads are that pass through the tank structure.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.822016256Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-28T19:45:40+0100", "id": "f76a2e75bf34a45ea68da10af418c32b", "post_id": "post-219407", "text": "We should take a long, hard look at the evidence.Which is something Fox Mulder took 9 seasons to do...", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.870084096Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2012-08-06T06:31:34+0100", "id": "0a17c64a3f00b0779c08a7278e376bce", "post_id": "post-251583", "text": "Thrusters burning!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63170176Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-18T00:49:14+0100", "id": "ab294f875258fa13207e2dd09330dd98", "post_id": "post-220890", "text": "Look for SNAP-10 as reference.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/SNAP-10Aor what NASA researches today:http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Safe_Affordable_Fission_Engine", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.824333568Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-29T23:29:24+0100", "id": "4a82aa89be9525dd37a89a83fa1be9ff", "post_id": "post-219430", "text": "As far as humans are concerned, the sole prospect of something to be gained is enough. That something doesn't even have to be found on their world itself. It might be a welcome distraction for domestic problems.\n\nSooo... sending a manned mission to Pluto would be a \"welcome distraction from domestic problems\". I wonder why we aren't doing it.:pIf there is population pressure, there WILL be war, no matter how far advanced a society (at least where humans are concerned, where the rule that the IQ of a mass is that of its dumbest member divided by two applies without mercy).\n\nWhy? Sending large amounts of people to another star system is probably not desirable nor easy. Unless we should just \"start a war because we want to\", which doesn't check out in reality.If kicking some aliens but is the only way of a gouvernement to satisfy a raging mob at home that isn't really interested in any plausible facts, they'll do it.\n\nAnd who's to say the raging mob will be after aliens?;)They're usually raging after more mundane, nearby things.There isn't large support for space colonisation, for example, which would be a good idea (as opposed to just going to war with someone, a bad idea). Fair enough in that it's not as exciting as an alien species, but still.And they get afraid awfully fast.\n\nOh sure, and there's bound to be a large amount of fear in such a scenario.But people (or at least humans) still act rationally in times of fear. Nuclear threats in the cold war are an example.I guess my point is, if their psychology works anything like ours, we're screwed...\n\nIf that is indeed the case, we really are screwed...", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.99929728Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-31T12:44:24+0100", "id": "5941e969d7eb2df379b302468988f198", "post_id": "post-251901", "text": "Universe Today:Curiosity\u2019s Laser Leaves Its MarkBefore-and-after images from Curiosity\u2019s ChemCam micro-imager show holes left by its million-watt laser (NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/LANL\/CNES\/IRAP\/LPGN\/CNRS)\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.645504256Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-06T03:01:55+0100", "id": "b1b20ab61270e21099b75ad13c594dc7", "post_id": "post-220993", "text": "Voyager, you may want to take a look atthis page. It is a detailed compendium of pretty much everything going on now.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.082582784Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-08-12T04:44:10+0100", "id": "7edbb3bada91c2bf75b203610ee9720a", "post_id": "post-219537", "text": "About historical processes, here're a couple of videos showing the Daguerreotype process, which was one of the first photographic processes. The first video is a French animation with no sound, and shows it step by step:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.042695424Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2014-04-14T04:41:04+0100", "id": "7ba80e79bf03e5519041fba27aad93a6", "post_id": "post-252183", "text": "Ok, soI'm confused, was there a new image? I thought Peonix was saying there was a new photo with a glint in the same location", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664173824Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-04T20:01:20+0100", "id": "a9206d8707893d236a8b4a0344beec5f", "post_id": "post-220639", "text": "I think we're going about the design the wrong way here. What would be most efficient (in my opinion) is to have a central module where everything is stored (With the NERVA 2 behind it) and then have the hab modules on long tethers that will stretch out from the sides of the central module. A rotation around the Z axis will then produce artificial gravity. (I will post a pic of this later.) I also recommend that to save fuel, instead of making a Mars orbit insertion burn, we put a lightweight heatshield around part of the ship and skim through the outer layers of the Martian atmosphere (Like in \"Mission to Mars.\")", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581358592Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-07T15:27:38+0100", "id": "23c36209a12b5e3ca72dfa72c8261ad4", "post_id": "post-220190", "text": "T.Neo said:I removed the engines from the S-II for exactly this reason.If I add a whole 6000 kg to the ET, I still get a mass ratio of over 23. I would say that this is Absolutely No Contest for the S-II, or at the least, that the S-II isn't 'the most mass optimised hydrolox stage ever', as you suggest.If you aren't willing to explore other possibilities, just because they require more speculative effort on your part, then you will severely limit yourself.\n\nThe problem is the weights for those extra components that make up an actual stage are not trivial. Take a look for instance at the design of the Direct teams version of a 70 mT payload HLV that uses the shuttle ET. When 3 SSME engines are attached to the bottom of the ET and it is made into an actual stage, the dry mass balloons up to 63,725 kg. Actually even this is too small for our SSTO purpose because you would need to use 5 or 6 SSME's to be able to leave the pad and have a good enough T\/W ratio to not incur a large gravity loss.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.089949184Z", "author": "Capt. Windh", "date": "2010-08-29T13:52:21+0100", "id": "dce53ea703450a839997d79d2f77051e", "post_id": "post-252234", "text": "Took a few shots at ESMS, Rwy 35, yesterday. Pretty good crosswind... Had trouble with my internetconnection yesterday, so I couldn\u00b4t get METAR, but I\u00b4m guessing around 280@30G45Will post some videos here soon.Wizzair departure.Air Europa, taxiing on Yankee. First officer waving!Primera Arrival:Bounce!\/Johan", "thread_id": 16269 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817757952Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-26T19:17:02+0100", "id": "1d70ad3d3455fcbc4934a072e03a0181", "post_id": "post-219365", "text": "Give aliens access to internet, so we can communicate with them... :lol:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.561938688Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-06-04T14:57:47+0100", "id": "758b5d4469ca4363baee8e0a4ac8b488", "post_id": "post-220393", "text": "RGClark said:That's not how it happened in the aircraft industry, which is another reason why such vehicles need to be privately developed aside from the fact the development costs can by cut by 90%(!)\n\nIf you don't do any research at all, you can reduce your R&D costs by more than 90%. But generally a really poor choice since you can only fight by the profit margins then. A reduction in R&D costs is no innovation or achievement to be proud of. If the R&D costs in the actual product per flight or flight article is reduced, it is a small achievement, but generally, it is not important. The total cost of ownership is more important.Also, the aircraft industry had always been driven by military and companies, but private research had a strong impact for the first years until the idea was getting mature. If you would apply the same logic to SSTOs, they would already be an oddity of the early days of rocketry, while TSTOs will dominate the market - because the market is dominated by TSTOs.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.244574208Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-08-31T01:25:14+0100", "id": "70d06c35d99f57c2581d3b3297360ec5", "post_id": "post-252374", "text": "Yes there is. Here are some. [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2730\"]Anim8or tutorial: How to model a rocket (Lesson 2)[\/ame] If you want to make a multistage here is one I made. [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4013\"]How to make a multistage2 vessel[\/ame] Here is one to help make the .cfg. [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3640\"]Tutorial: Spacecraft3.dll advanced concepts[\/ame]", "thread_id": 16290 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555254784Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-02T22:51:02+0000", "id": "27d1cd44031d901b42e20995088cedbc", "post_id": "post-220306", "text": "T.Neo said:Good. The formatting of your post has greatly improved, however, the quality of its content is still the same.RGClark, I suggest (and not out of jest or sarcasm) that you do a simple cost comparison between a reusable TSTO and reusable SSTO. The conditions are that you have to show your work, and cite proper sources (i.e. NASA studies and technical papers, AIAA studies, etc) and not just things like space news websites. You cannot make baseless, referenceless and dubious claims (i.e. 'with modern materials, this can be reduced by half'). You have to show the reasoning behind the methods you use and your assumptions.Good luck. And have fun!:cheers:\n\nThe cost comparisons to currently existing vehicles come on two fronts. (There is little debate that a reusable SSTO would have lower operational costs than a TSTO oneif it exists. The debate is whether its lower payload would make it worthwhile.)First, a key problem for reducing the cost of spaceflight is that it can only come from reusability. But, the argument goes, reusable spacecraft are more expensive to develop and you need many launches to make that expense worthwhile. Where's the market for that?As I argued before for small SSTO's a large market would be for small privately owned manned SSTO's. In the examples in the post copied at the bottom of the prevous post, both the engines and the lightweight stage already existed. It is only required to marry them together. The cost? How much do you estimate to develop a launcher the size of a small business jet when the rocket engines and the primary structure already exists? How much do you estimate it cost to develop Falcon1?Furthermore for any estimates of rocket launchers it has to be kept in mind such estimates are based on the costs of government financed vehicles in the past.The most important accomplishment of SpaceX may turn out to be they showed in stark terms that a privately developed spacecraft can be developed for 1\/10th the cost of government financed ones.The importance of this can not be overemphasized. So if you estimate a manned launcher may take $3 billion to develop, divide this by 10 to get an idea what it really should cost if privately financed.Secondly, as mentioned in this thread a large portion of launch costs are because of operational costs due to the large labor costs as run as a government program. For the space shuttle this is literally thousands of people to run it. This has been recognized for a while. A key part of the proposal to cut launch costs for the VentureStar reusable launcher was to cut majorly this required labor force:Lockheed Secret Projects: Inside the Skunk Works.By Dennis R. JenkinsOne of the conclusions from the DC-X demonstration program was that it should not take a standing army to operate a launch vehicle. Almost 18,000 workers are employed to maintain and operate the space shuttle fleet, and it takes 60 to 70 days to prepare a shuttle for a new mission. By contrast, the X-33 will require only about 50 and have a 48-hour turnaround, and the VentureStar will require under 300 people and have a turnaround of less than one week. NASA and industry estimate the cost for each flight of a full-scale RLV will be about one-tenth as much as the space shuttle, or roughly $50 million each.\n\nhttp:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=DU... venturestar&lr=&pg=PA106#v=onepage&q=&f=trueElon Musk also recognized the need to cut the size of the ground crew:The Rocketeers. How a Visionary Band of Business Leaders, Engineers, and Pilots is Boldly Privatizing Space.by Michael BelfioreHarperColins, 2007Musk had identified five major drivers of launch vehicle costs and had set about bringing each one of those down. The first, and perhaps the biggest, was overhead. Looking around the Main Building I could see for myself that Musk ran a tight ship. He had fewer than a hundred employees, including all the engineers, machinists and associated support staff like the receptionists, administrative assistants, and a public relations officer.\"We are an extremely low-overhead company,\" said Musk. \"If we simply handed our blueprints to a Boeing or Lockheed, I think the price would at least double if not more.\"\"There was the rocket itself, with three major components contributing to its cost: engines, structures (the actual body of the rocket as well as fuel and oxidizer tanks), and avionics - the sophisticated computers and software that controlled the other components to guide the rocket through the air to space and into orbit.\"And then there was the launch operation. Musk laughed as he told me how a Lockheed Martin representative boasted to him of his company's \"lean\" launch crew: only three hundred people. \"Now what are those people doing? I can't tell you.\" Falcon 1's launch crew? Twelve to fifteen people sitting in a custom-made trailer at the launch site.\"\n\nThe Rocketeers, p. 175.http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Rocketeers-Visionary-Business-Engineers-Privatizing\/dp\/B00381B7OG\/Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62330112Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-11T05:56:22+0100", "id": "b40e05d0a7ef57568ae8ebfeb2d55ece", "post_id": "post-220810", "text": "Bj said:Good idea to setup COMSATs around Mars, we can do these with the Ares I think. Would the Carina 2 Satellite work or you thinking something else?Here is the thing though with launching separate vessels. If we launch one stack at a time (or otherwise not within the same month or so), we would have to wait for the next launch window to open, which could be a while.About the Moon base; I think that would be rather difficult since the Moon has such a slow spin, it would mean 1 month of continuous LOS, then 1 month of nothing. Unless you where on the pole then it might work out properly depending on the tilt and whatever.So we are going to push each individual module past LEO into a Lunar orbit and construct around the Moon? What about all the launchers?if you look at Ares V - 160,000kg to LEO, or 71,100-60,000kg to TLI. Much less weigh carried per launch meaning more Ares launches, meaning more (virtual) money (each engine, vehicle construction, ext).... a lot of dead weight and fuel to break into LEO. Better, I think to launch to LEO, then with a reusable engine push all the joined modules to Mars.So is anything wrong with Huston? Why do we need to try to make a mission control on the Moon? This would become one really ambitious project:)I agree there, the Arrow, DGIV\/XR2 is a little more past our technological capabilities now. We even have yet to make a true SSTO rocket. Thing is, unless we get some good modeler volunteering right now, and willing to make 2 ships at XR2 quality (both code and mesh) it would be rather difficult to simulate this in Orbiter. *(hint hint)* The best lander would look like Uwumpe's drawing a few posts back.Hey can you make some good satellite meshes? That would be nice.Good idea, a plaque would be easy, just really an indented box. Its just a matter of what to what to write for them.Best they can? :hmm: I'm not sure we would get anything out of it, actually I am not sure of the goal at all. Really its not that hard to get a unrealistic vessel anywhere, (ie Arrow, DGIV\/XR2 with alternate settings) so I think the greater challenge would to actually make our own vessels that would actually have more realistic Mars landings.\n\nI like how you think.Really the concept behind the MBC is to give us a lower gravity to launch our ship from. And Frankly. Something to do. See once the Ship leaves earth its gonna be 7 months before much else needs to be done. With a moon base it gives the project a new series of things to keep interest in the project. MBC resupply. Station building. Lunar exploration missions.As for the Thing of building the Mars ship in orbit and launching it to the moon. The ting is much of the fueling requirements for the ship would be set up on the moon.Still you bring up a great point about the weight issues. So I propose a sort of compromise. The is Launching modules into LEO. Say first four are launched. Put together in orbit. A temporary modular engine is attached the the front five sections are launched to the moon. Center section. Engine launch aft section constructed and launched. So Were not launching the whole thing at once nor going bit by bit. Sending up half a dozen parts at once.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.04668672Z", "author": "Nicholas Kang", "date": "2018-05-24T10:53:00+0100", "id": "2613e283272106c1000824bcdefc45da", "post_id": "post-252216", "text": "Drill again!And after a year-long hiatus, the drilling has resumed!Engineers working with NASA's Curiosity Mars rover have been hard at work testing a new way for the rover to drill rocks and extract powder from them. This past weekend, that effort produced the first drilled sample on Mars in more than a year.Curiosity tested percussive drilling this past weekend, penetrating about 2 inches (50 millimeters) into a target called \"Duluth.\"NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, has been testing this drilling technique since a mechanical problem took Curiosity's drill offline in December of 2016. This technique, called Feed Extended Drilling, keeps the drill's bit extended out past two stabilizer posts that were originally used to steady the drill against Martian rocks. It lets Curiosity drill using the force of its robotic arm, a little more like the way a human would drill into a wall at home.\"The team used tremendous ingenuity to devise a new drilling technique and implement it on another planet,\" said Curiosity Deputy Project Manager Steve Lee of JPL. \"Those are two vital inches of innovation from 60 million miles away. We\u2019re thrilled that the result was so successful.\"\n\nNASA's Curiosity rover successfully drilled a 2-inch-deep hole in a target called \"Duluth\" on May 20. It was the first rock sample captured by the drill since October 2016.This image was taken by Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam) on Sol 2057. It has been white balanced and contrast-enhanced.Credits: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200bDrilling is a vitally important part of Curiosity's capabilities to study Mars. Inside the rover are two laboratories that are able to conduct chemical and mineralogical analyses of rock and soil samples. The samples are acquired from Gale Crater, which the rover has been exploring since 2012.Curiosity's science team has been eager to get the drill working before the rover leaves its current location near Vera Rubin Ridge. Fortunately, it was near enough to drill targets like Duluth to drive back down the ridge. Sunday's drill sample represents a quick taste of the region before Curiosity moves on.\n\nA close-up image of a 2-inch-deep hole produced using a new drilling technique for NASA's Curiosity rover. The hole is about 0.6 inches across (1.6 centimeters).This image was taken by Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam) on Sol 2057. It has been white balanced and contrast-enhanced.Credits: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200bThere's also the next step to work on: delivering the rock sample from the drill bit to the two laboratories inside the rover. Having captured enough powder inside the drill, engineers will now use the rover's cameras to estimate how much trickles out while running the drill backwards. The drill\u2019s percussion mechanism is also used to tap out powder.As soon as this Friday, the Curiosity team will test a new process for delivering samples into the rover's laboratories.\n\nSource:NASA", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.612446208Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-06T22:19:20+0100", "id": "8910e8798f90648a37557ad73d901d6c", "post_id": "post-220717", "text": "The Moon? We've already done 14 pages of Mars planning...it's notthatmuch of a setback that we have to switch suddenly to the Moon.Wolfer, I like your stack. What addon is that on the back? It looks sort of like a Shuttle ET with gray foil. At any rate, it's better than mine.:)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.655268608Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-06-14T02:32:31+0100", "id": "322a38b17b6ef5574f58a42d18520694", "post_id": "post-221082", "text": "Wow! I'm still in shock over this. Watching my idea go from being a dream to a discussion, from a thread to several threads to being part of the forum itself...all I can say is...Wow! This is cool:)It appears to have already been done, so my opinion is moot. As long as it works, we'll work with it:)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.064250112Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-11-26T15:53:52+0000", "id": "647bb7820750e39be50ba398bf11727b", "post_id": "post-251277", "text": "What's that?\n\nRotation of 12 degrees\/second on the Z-axis, to avoid that one side of the spacecraft is overheated by the Sun while the other freezes in the dark.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.472431616Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-30T02:55:19+0100", "id": "42a566b32e066f1165be04033a4fcc4c", "post_id": "post-219922", "text": "Ark said:I dunno, I'd look at it and think \"Damn, we suck now.\"\n\nAh, so true.Except for me it's \"Damn,yousuck now.\"Err, on second thought I can't really complain about that. :lol:", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660014848Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-03T18:57:30+0100", "id": "04cc1cf739eadc6567ff1d8c9e06ee15", "post_id": "post-220599", "text": "Would a blimp work in the low density atmosphere of Mars?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.56057984Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-10-23T13:52:23+0100", "id": "a0c1213846ea67ac85b94741011ae8f0", "post_id": "post-252925", "text": "it dosnt work", "thread_id": 16336 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.548700928Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2010-05-01T15:22:06+0100", "id": "42de997af822d180d464fc5a4ccaa908", "post_id": "post-220075", "text": "The SpaceLaunchReport.com site operated by Ed Kyle provides thespecifications of some launch vehicles. Here's the page for the Falcon1:Space Launch Report: SpaceX Falcon Data Sheet.http:\/\/www.spacelaunchreport.com\/falcon.htmlQuite interesting is that the total mass and dry mass values for theFalcon 1 first stage with Merlin 1C engine give a mass ratio of about20 to 1. This is notable because a 20 to 1 mass ratio is the valueusually given for a kerosene-fueled vehicle to be SSTO. However, thisis for the engine having high vacuum Isp ca. 350 s. The Merlin 1C witha vacuum Isp of 304 s probably wouldn't work.However, there are some high performance Russian kerosene engines thatcould work. Some possibilities:Engine Model: RD-120M.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/rd120.htm#RD-120MRD-0124.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/rd0124.htmEngine Model: RD-0234-HC.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/rd0234.htmHowever, I don't know if this third one was actually built, being amodification of another engine that burned aerozine.Some other possibilities can be found on the Astronautix site:Lox\/Kerosene.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/props\/loxosene.htmAnd on this list of Russian rocket engines:Russian\/Ukrainian space-rocket and missile liquid-propellant engines.http:\/\/www.b14643.de\/Spacerockets_1\/Diverse\/Russian%2520engines\/engines.htmThe problem is the engine has to have good Isp as well as a good T\/Wratio for this SSTO application. There are some engines listed thateven have a vacuum Isp above 360 s. However, these generally are thesmall engines used for example as reaction control thrusters in orbitand usually have poor T\/W ratios.For the required delta-V I'll use the fact that a dense propellantvehicle may only require a delta-V of 8,900 m\/s, compared to ahydrogen-fueled vehicle which may require in the range of 9,100 to9,200 m\/s. The reason for this is explained here:Hydrogen delta-V.http:\/\/yarchive.net\/space\/rocket\/fuels\/hydrogen_deltav.htmlThen when you add on the fact that launching near the equator givesyou 462 m\/s for free from the Earth's rotation, we can take therequired delta-V that has to be supplied by the kerosene-fueledvehicle as 8,500 m\/s.I'll focus on the RD-0124 because of its high Isp, 359 s vacuum and331 s sea level. On the \"Russian\/Ukrainian space-rocket and missileliquid-propellant engines\" page its sea level thrust is given as253,200 N, 25,840 kgf. However, the Falcon 1 first stage weighs 28,553kg. So we'll need two of them. Each weighs 480 kg, so two would be 960kg. This is 300 kg more than the single Merlin 1C. So the dry mass ofthe Falcon 1 first stage is raised to 1,751 kg. There is a RD-0124Mlisted on the Astronautix page that only weighs 360 kg, but its sealevel Isp and thrust are not given, so we'll use the RD-0124 untilfurther info on the RD-0124M is available.Taking the midpoint value of the Isp as 345 s we get a delta-V of345*9.8ln(1 + 27102\/1751) = 9,474 m\/s (!) Note also the achieved delta-V would actually be higher than this because the trajectory averagedIsp is closer to the vacuum value since the rocket spends most of thetime at altitude.This calculation did not include the nose cone fairing weight of 136kg. However, the dry mass for the first stage probably includes theinterstage weight, which is not listed, since this remains behind withthe first stage when the second stage fires. Note then that theinterstage would be removed for the SSTO application. From looking atthe images of the Falcon 1, the size of the cylindrical interstage incomparison to the conical nose cone fairing suggests the interstageshould weigh more. So I'll keep the dry mass as 1,751 kg.Now considering that we only need 8,500 m\/s delta-V we can add 636 kgof payload. But this is even higher than the payload capacity of thetwo stage Falcon 1!We saw that the thrust value of the RD-0124 is not much smaller thanthe gross weight of the Falcon 1 first stage. So we can get a vehiclecapable of being lifted by a single RD-0124 by reducing the propellantsomewhat, say by 25%. This reduces the dry weight now since oneRD-0124 weighs less than a Merlin 1C and the tank mass would also bereduced 25%. Using an analogous calculation as before, the payloadcapacity of this SSTO would be in the range of 500 kg.We can perform a similar analysis on the Falcon 1e first stage thatuses the upgraded Merlin 1C+ engine. Assuming the T\/W ratio of theMerlin 1C+ is the same as that of the Merlin 1C, the mass of the twoof the RD-124's would now be only 100 kg more than the Merlin 1C+.The dry mass and total mass numbers on the SpaceLaunchReport page forthe Falcon 1e are estimated. But accepting these values we would beable to get a payload in the range of 1,800 kg. This is again higherthan the payload capacity of the original two stage Falcon 1e. In factit could place into orbit the 1-man Mercury capsule.The launch cost of the Falcon 1, Falcon 1e is only about $8 million -$9 million. So we could have the first stage for that amount orperhaps less since we don't need the engines which make up the bulk ofthe cost. How much could we buy the Russian engines for? This articlesays the much higher thrust RD-180 cost $10 million:From Russia, With 1 Million Pounds of Thrust.Why the workhorse RD-180 may be the future of US rocketry.Issue 9.12 | Dec 2001\"This engine cost $10 million and produces almost 1 million pounds ofthrust. You can't do that with an American-made engine.\"http:\/\/www.wired.com\/wired\/archive\/9.12\/rd-180.htmlThis report gives the price of the also much higher thrust AJ26-60,derived from the Russian NK-43, as $4 milliion:A Study of Air Launch Methods for RLVs.Marti Sarigul-Klijn, Ph.D. and Nesrin Sarigul-Klijn, Ph.D.AIAA 2001-4619\"The main engine is currently proposed as the 3,260lb. RP-LOX Aerojet AJ26-60, which is the formerRussian NK-43 engine. Thrust to weight of 122 to1 compares to the Space Shuttle Main Engine\u2019s(SSME) 67 to 1 and specific impulse (Isp = 348.3seconds vacuum) is 50 to 60 seconds better thanthe Atlas II, Delta II, or Delta III RP-LOX engines.A total of 831 engines have been tested for194,000 seconds. These engines are available for$4 million each, which is about 10% the cost of aSSME.\"http:\/\/mae.ucdavis.edu\/faculty\/sarigul\/aiaa2001-4619.pdfThen the much lower thrust RD-0124 could quite likely be purchasedfor less than $4 million. So the single RD-0124 powered SSTO could bepurchased for less than $12 million.Even though the mathematics says it should be possible, and has beenfor decades, it is still commonly believed that SSTO performance withchemical propulsion is not possible even among experts in the spaceindustry:Space Tourism is a HoaxBy Fredrick Engstrom and Heinz Pfeffer11\/16\/09 09:02 AM ET\"In 1903, the Russian scientist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky established theso-called rocket equation, which calculates the initial mass of arocket needed to put a certain payload into orbit, given that theorbital speed is fixed at 28,000 kilometers per hour, and that themaximum speed of the gas exhausted from the rocket that propels itforward is also fixed.\"You quickly find that the structure and the tanks needed to containthe fuel are so heavy that you will never be able to orbit asignificant payload with a single-stage rocket. Thus, it is necessaryto use several rocket stages that are dumped on the way up to get anynet mass, i.e. payload, into orbit.\"Let us look at the most successful rocket on the market \u2014 theEuropean Ariane 5. Its start weight is 750 tons, of which 650 tons arefuel, 80 tons are structure and around 20 tons are left for low Earthorbit payload.\"You can have a different number of stages, and you can look for minorimprovements, but you can never get around the fact that you need bigmachines that are staged to reach orbital speed. Not much has happenedin propulsion in a fundamental sense since Wernher von Braun\u2019s Saturnrocket. And there is nothing on the horizon, if you discountcontrolling gravity or some exotic technology like that. In any case,it is not for tomorrow.\"http:\/\/www.spacenews.com\/commentaries\/091116-space-tourism-hoax.htmlThe Cold Equations Of Spaceflight.by Jeffrey F. BellHonolulu HI (SPX) Sep 09, 2005\"Why isn't Mike Griffin pulling out the blueprints for X-30\/NASP, DC-X\/Delta Clipper, or X-33\/VentureStar? Billions of dollars were spent onthese programs before they were cancelled. Why aren't we using allthat research to design a cheap, reusable, Single-Stage-To-Orbitvehicle that operates just like an airplane and doesn't fall in theocean after one flight?\"\"The answer to this question is: All of these vehicles were fantasyprojects. They violated basic laws of physics and engineering. Theywere impossible with current technology, or any technology we canafford to develop on the timescale and budgets available to NASA. Theywere doomed attempts to avoid the Cold Equations of Spaceflight.\"http:\/\/www.spacedaily.com\/news\/oped-05zy.htmlThen it is important that such a SSTO vehicle be produced even iffirst expendable to remove the psychological barrier that it can notbe done. Once it is seen that it can be done, and in fact how easilyand cheaply it can be done, then there it will be seen that in factthe production of SSTO vehicles are really no more difficult thanthose of multistage vehicles.Then will be opened the floodgates to reusable SSTO vehicles, and lowcost passenger space access as commonplace as trans-oceanic airtravel.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 02:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:18 PM ----------...Even though the mathematics says it should be possible, and has beenfor decades, it is still commonly believed that SSTO performance withchemical propulsion is not possible even among experts in the spaceindustry...Then it is important that such a SSTO vehicle be produced even iffirst expendable to remove the psychological barrier that it can notbe done.Once it is seen that it can be done, and in fact how easilyand cheaply it can be done, then there it will be seen that in factthe production of SSTO vehicles are really no more difficult thanthose of multistage vehicles.Then will be opened the floodgates to reusable SSTO vehicles, and low cost passenger space access as commonplace as trans-oceanic air travel.\n\nThe calculation of the Falcon 1 first stage with more efficient engines having SSTO capability leads me to a surprising conclusion: it won't even have to be millionaires who could own such SSTO's.For instance to \"own\", in the sense of live in, a million dollar home you don't have to have a million dollar income or even a million dollar net worth.You just have to make the mortgage payments, which per year can be a fraction of the million dollar cost of the home. This is in the salary range of many just upper class individuals. Then such orbital rockets with financing will be in the cost range of many such individuals.A combination of factors suggest this is possible. First, with mass production the cost of the rocket structure and of the engines will drop significantly. Also, though the Falcon 1 is priced at about $8 million, remember a large proportion of this is to cover development cost. The large majority of this cost was for the development of the engines. But neither of these two SpaceX engines would be used for the SSTO purpose. Instead would be used the much cheaper for their size Russian engines.We can estimate how much they would cost based on their size and the costs for much larger, i.e., more powerful, Russian engines. The 1,000,000 lbs. thrust RD-180 costs $10 million. The 400,000 lbs. thrust NK-33 costs $4 million. Based on this we can estimate the cost of the 60,000 lbs. thrust RD-0124 I was recommending for the SSTO purpose as $600,000.Another reason for why such SSTO's will be lower cost than the $8 million Falcon 1 is that the manufacturing cost is actually only a fraction of the launch cost. See for example the estimates in Tables 3 and 4 here:When Physics, Economics, and Reality Collide. The Challenge of Cheap Orbital Access.by John M. Jurist, M.D., Sam Dinkin, Ph.D, David Livingston, DBAhttp:\/\/www.colonyfund.com\/Reading\/papers\/phys_econ_leo.html#elvNote then the methods for achieving such high mass ratios as with the Falcon 1 first stage don't appear to be especially hard. See for example the description of the Falcon 1 propellant tanks given here:Falcon 1 Overview.http:\/\/www.spacex.com\/falcon1.php#first_stageThey appear to use a combination of methods known for decades such as a common bulkhead and an isogrid design. So using these methods, similar high mass ratios could easily be achieved by other aerospace companies. Actually little in research and development costs would be required for the structures.There is another key cost that figures into launch costs mentioned in the \"When Physics, Economics, and Reality Collide: The Challenge of Cheap Orbital Access\" article. That is the cost of range access, usually provided by governments. With wide numbers of privately owned rockets launching daily this cost could be reduced significantly.A big component of the research and development costs however would be the actual flight tests. This would be significantly reduced with reusable systems.For this to have a high demand you would need for it to be manned-flight capable. The Falcon 1e sized SSTO would require two RD-0124 engines for a 1,800 kg payload capacity, but would be able to loft a Project Mercury-sized capsule:Mercury.http:\/\/www.braeunig.us\/space\/specs\/mercury.htmYou would also need a lightweight reentry system. Inflatable heat shields may fit the bill:NASA Launches New Technology: An Inflatable Heat Shield.08.17.09http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/topics\/aeronautics\/features\/irve.htmlPod People.They're the ones thinking outside the space capsule.* By James Oberg* Air & Space Magazine, November 01, 2003\"IN 1964, MOST VIEWERS OF TELEVISED SPACE \"SHOTS,\" AS THEY WERE CALLED THEN, knew what it took to protect a spacecraft from the fire of reentry. It took big, heavy shields bolted to pressurized metal vessels. One of the most nerve-racking moments of the early space program had been the final minutes of John Glenn\u2019s 1962 Mercury flight, when Mission Control waited to learn whether his shield had remained attached to the Friendship 7 capsule during the violent return.\"Two years later, on June 10, 1964, another, much lighter vehicle entered the atmosphere with no one on board. In engineering terms it was nearly as daring as the Mercury flights had been. Launched on a sounding rocket to an altitude of 96 miles over New Mexico, the craft dove back toward Earth at a speed of more than 5,000 mph. Being so light, it didn\u2019t generate as much heat from atmospheric friction as Glenn\u2019s capsule had, so it had only a thin coating of thermal protection\u2014no shield. Odder still, it was inflated like a balloon in a Thanksgiving day parade.\"http:\/\/www.airspacemag.com\/space-exploration\/cit-oberg.htmlThis second, which involves a lifting body inflatable heat shield, would result in significant reduction in reentry heating by making use of shapes optimized for high lift\/drag ratio at hypersonic speed.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 02:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:20 PM ----------I'm looking for a numerical trajectory integration program.These are the conditions under which I want to estimate the required delta-V to orbit:1.)use a dense propellant such as kerosene\/LOX; dense propellants are known to reduce gravity losses.2.)use a moderate to high liftoff thrust\/weight ratio, say, 1.4 and above; high liftoff T\/W also reduces gravity losses.3.)launch near equator to get the ca. 460 m\/s tangential boost.4.)only get to 100 km, the altitude considered space, to just launch satellites or make orbital transfers, not for long term orbits.Anyone know if the Orbiter sim could do this?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.082902528Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-08-13T00:35:48+0100", "id": "8c1d8251332ea18ecbcc9bbadba87ef8", "post_id": "post-219539", "text": "Shooting out of jetliner windows is always tough. You are confined, the wing or engine is often in the way, and of course the windows are scratchy and produce flare. But it's nice when you can capture the awesome view.More on Daguerreotypes: Click this link and read the article.http:\/\/www.wired.com\/magazine\/2010\/07\/ff_daguerrotype_panorama\/That series of images was shot in Cleveland, Ohio, in 1848 and is the equivalent of 140thousandmega pixels! Dust specks smaller than red blood cells actually hurt the details!And the science and tech behind how they are restoring it is very neat, too.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.76777984Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2012-08-03T14:28:49+0100", "id": "2ef4e702be9f65b36253d8eb7e1bd0c3", "post_id": "post-251446", "text": "Follow the flight of MSL into Mars...the attached scenario file puts a DG on the same trajectory as MSL at 2012-Aug-03 00:00:00 UTC. State vectors courtesy of JPL Horizons.The good news is that it appears to be heading for Gale crater:)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.466560256Z", "author": "rseferino", "date": "2010-04-29T19:13:11+0100", "id": "7718e695b8767af6383cda3e2b956717", "post_id": "post-219914", "text": "This add already exists, for 6 years. The mission has been changed since that time, I think the current plans are to launch a Zenit rocket, while there is add on a Soyuz-Fregat. On the other hand, with the current add I see that the next launch date could be for 12 to 13 November 2011.HTML:http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=12253&highlight=grunt", "thread_id": 14062 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.462681856Z", "author": "igel", "date": "2010-04-29T18:31:59+0100", "id": "92f71721deb5ab38332a02f645659474", "post_id": "post-219912", "text": "Do you have a prerequisite \"Project R7 by astronaut\" addon installed? This one: [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2844\"]Project R-7[\/nomedia] ?", "thread_id": 14061 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.784759808Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-04T22:54:41+0100", "id": "6d5b47329edd963c39c42eb545f42147", "post_id": "post-251464", "text": "Keatah said:I'm sure it will go well, but I'm trying to find out if the skycrane can do hazard avoidance. What if it gets blown off course over rocks?\n\nThat is why there is a landing ellipse. That ellipse includes wind drift. Did you already read how big the revised landing ellipse is?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.568161536Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-03T11:13:51+0100", "id": "47dbf532dc8f12a0e92d43526c01f74d", "post_id": "post-220097", "text": "RGClark said:Here's one explanation of this effect:Hydrogen delta-V (Henry Spencer; Mitchell Burnside Clapp).http:\/\/yarchive.net\/space\/rocket\/fuels\/hydrogen_deltav.html\n\nI recommend doing the math behind the assumptions chained there. This newsgroup posting only assumes (If a then b might happen\"), but doesn't really calculate. Also, the posting contains a lot of cargo cult science, I recommend reading it as bad example, not as reference for designing anything more complex than a toaster. Take for example the \"The mass line is more steep\" argumentation. The error is that the people put the origin of the mass line at launch: A Hydrolox SSTO with the same burntime will have a lower mass flow (m-dot), that is right, but that doesn't make a denser fuel rocket good: The Hydrolox SSTO also already lifts off with far less fuel, both plots will meet at cut-off and that is the point from where you should look for the comparison. And there the \"lower structural mass for smaller tanks\" fallacy will also tumble, since the structural mass reduction for the smaller tank volume will not be as high as the fluffy assumption makes it sound, since you have to deal with higher forces acting on the structure. In reality, you will get punished by the heaviest parts of any LV: The engines. The lower performance fuels will mean you will have surplus engines quickly in flight, that you can't use effectively. And engines weight more than tank structure.Also, you can always say the killer argument: Stop talking, build it. The universe is the best calculator.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.556778752Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-04T19:14:09+0000", "id": "87e9a9dfaa7b95f45ab3e9ada1a748a8", "post_id": "post-220326", "text": "But economically, I doubt he could even get the aluminum for building his rockets for that launch price.\n\nThe justification for the $100-$200\/kg launch costs by SpaceX involves reusability; the manufacturing cost of the vehicle is amortised over many flights.Of course, you also have hardware refurbishment costs, launch operations costs, payload integration costs, etc...Also, Elon Musk has never actually championed SSTO, at least not seriously. The vehicle that enables his supposed massive cost reductions is a TSTO.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.788577024Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-12-23T03:10:10+0000", "id": "223340519f280d7face3beb18fbb706e", "post_id": "post-251134", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA's Next Mars Rover to Zap Rocks With LaserDecember 22, 2010A rock-zapping laser instrument on NASA's next Mars rover has roots in a demonstration that Roger Wiens saw 13 years ago in a colleague's room at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.The Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument on the rover Curiosity can hit rocks with a laser powerful enough to excite a pinhead-size spot into a glowing, ionized gas. ChemCam then observes the flash through a telescope and analyzes the spectrum of light to identify the chemical elements in the target.Click on image for hi-res \/ details\u200bResearchers prepare for a test of the Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument that will fly on NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission. Image credit NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/LANLThat information about rocks or patches of soil up to about 7 meters (23 feet) away will help the rover team survey the rover's surroundings and choose which targets to drill into, or scoop up, for additional analysis by other instruments on Curiosity. With the 10 science instruments on the rover, the team will assess whether any environments in the landing area have been favorable for microbial life and for preserving evidence about whether life existed. In late 2011, NASA will launch Curiosity and the other parts of the flight system, delivering the rover to the surface of Mars in August 2012.Wiens, a geochemist with the U.S. Department of Energy's Los Alamos National Laboratory, serves as ChemCam's principal investigator. An American and French team that he leads proposed the instrument during NASA's 2004 open competition for participation in the Mars Science Laboratory project, whose rover has since been named Curiosity.In 1997, while working on an idea for using lasers to investigate the moon, Wiens visited a chemistry laboratory building where a colleague, Dave Cremers, had been experimenting with a different laser technique. Cremers set up a cigar-size laser powered by a little 9-volt radio battery and pointed at a rock across the room.\"The room was well used. Every flat surface was covered with instruments, lenses or optical mounts,\" Wiens recalls. \"The filing cabinets looked like they had a bad case of acne. I found out later that they were used for laser target practice.\"Cremers pressed a button. An invisible beam from the laser set off a flash on a rock across the room. The flash was ionized gas, or plasma, generated by the energy from the laser exciting atoms in the rock. A spectrometer pointed at the glowing plasma recorded the intensity of light at different wavelengths for determining the rock's atomic ingredients.Researchers have used lasers for inducing plasmas for decades. What impressed Wiens in this demonstration was the capability to do it with such a low-voltage power source and compact hardware. Using this technology for a robot on another planet seemed feasible. From that point, more than a decade of international development and testing resulted in ChemCam being installed on Curiosity in September 2010.The international collaboration came about in 2001 when Wiens introduced a former Los Alamos post-doctoral researcher, Sylvestre Maurice, to the project. The core technology of ChemCam, laser-induced breakdown spectroscopy, had been used for years in France as well as in America, but it was still unknown to space scientists there. \"The technique is both flashy and very compelling scientifically, and the reviewers in France really liked that combination,\" Maurice said. A French team was formed, and work on a new laser began.\"The trick is very short bursts of the laser,\" Wiens said. \"You really dump a lot of energy onto a small spot -- megawatts per square millimeter -- but just for a few nanoseconds.\"The pinhead-size spot hit by ChemCam's laser gets as much power focused on it as a million light bulbs, for five one-billionths of a second. Light from the resulting flash comes back to ChemCam through the instrument's telescope, mounted beside the laser high on the rover's camera mast. The telescope directs the light down an optical fiber to three spectrometers inside the rover. The spectrometers record intensity at 6,144 different wavelengths of ultraviolet, visible and infrared light. Different chemical elements in the target emit light at different wavelengths.If the rock has a coating of dust or a weathered rind, multiple shots from the laser can remove those layers to provide a clear shot to the rock's interior composition. \"We can see what the progression of composition looks like as we get a little bit deeper with each shot,\" Wiens said.Earlier Mars rover missions have lacked a way to identify some of the lighter elements, such as carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, lithium and boron, which can be clues to past environmental conditions in which the rock was formed or altered. After NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit examined an outcrop called \"Comanche\" in 2005, it took years of analyzing indirect evidence before the team could confidently infer the presence of carbon in the rock. A single observation with ChemCam could detect carbon directly.ChemCam will be able to interrogate multiple targets the same day, gaining information for the rover team's careful selection of where to drill or scoop samples for laboratory investigations that will take multiple days per target. It can also check the composition of targets inaccessible to the rover's other instruments, such as rock faces beyond the reach of Curiosity's arm.The instrument's telescope doubles as the optics for the camera part of ChemCam, which records images on a one-megapixel detector. The telescopic camera will show context of the spots hit with the laser and can also be used independently of the laser.The French half of the ChemCam team, headed by Maurice and funded by France's national space agency, provided the instrument's laser and telescope. Maurice is a spectroscopy expert with the Centre d'\u00c9tude Spatiale des Rayonnements, in Toulouse, France. Los Alamos National Laboratory supplied the spectrometers and data processor inside the rover. The optical design of the spectrometers came from Ocean Optics, Dunedin, Fla.The ChemCam team includes experts in mineralogy, geology, astrobiology and other fields, with some members also on other Curiosity instrument teams.With the instrument now installed on Curiosity, testing continues at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, is assembling the rover and other components of the Mars Science Laboratory flight system for launch from Florida between Nov. 25 and Dec. 18, 2011.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630708992Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-17T04:43:08+0100", "id": "34729f1977e22cfc15834c2683408c23", "post_id": "post-220881", "text": "Wow leave for a day and...Alright just staying outta this little scrap, I am gathering we are removing MSS? Has the vessel of choice for Earth-Mars trans been decided\/altered? AFAIK its still the Arrow...Anyway, nice grounds layout picture Urwumpe, though it looks like most of the buildings\/materials will have to be modeled.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.43273216Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2008-05-11T18:56:05+0100", "id": "a3f4a97b08355c571e3ff6d82ef7756c", "post_id": "post-65195", "text": "My opinion on this is negligible, but to all the people opposing this notion, I would like to ask you to think what you would want if you were in the situation of Burmese people. It's easy to say big words while we are in the comfort of our air conditioned houses with our bellies full and our thirst quenched.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.937295616Z", "author": "Suzy", "date": "2012-08-06T21:22:33+0100", "id": "4c49b467f49f0c931d5f75fb327553df", "post_id": "post-251727", "text": "Ripley said:Have you seen this?\n\nNASA page with caption", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.655379712Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-06-14T04:17:12+0100", "id": "1b52156a8aad01ebed9237f46892d8a4", "post_id": "post-221083", "text": "Izack said:It looks like a small amount of weeding may need to be done, though. Many of the ideas there have been dropped (The MSS, for instance.) Also, my post about the O-F section is now totally irrelevant. :lol:\n\nI can delete the MSS thread, I'll do a soft delete so it can be restored if you guys need it. I'll also remove the forum notice you posted.Izack said:Another thing I noticed is that if OFMM stuff appears in the forum pulse, like \"Operations and Technical Manual\" just did, then it's going to confuse a lot of people.\n\nIt should be easy to distinguish, look to the right side of threads in the new posts search or stats box to see the forum its from. If it bugs you guys enough you could always use OFMM prefixes for threads.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55392256Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-01T04:12:18+0000", "id": "dbba4086f8b73a48a26d2561dc8c0a56", "post_id": "post-220291", "text": "Altitude compensation on the Falcon 9 first stage and applications.Copied below is an argument for how two copies of the Falcon 1 combined together using a single Merlin engine with an altitude compensating nozzle could be SSTO. I had forgotten though that the Falcon 1e, which SpaceX wants to move to for small launches anyway, has about twice the propellant load of the Falcon so it could form the SSTO.Aerospike nozzles.So how to get the altitude compensation? The aerospike[1],[2] is the most extensively studied method of altitude compensation so to get to this quickly it would be nice if this could be used. However, the aerospike (or plug nozzle for the shortened version) requires a toroidal combustion chamber. This would require significant modification of the engine.However, one concept for getting an aerospike engine uses multiple small chambers arranged around a central spike. This was the idea for the X-33\/VentureStar[3]. It was also used earlier on the Beta SSTO concept of Koelle[4],[5]. This could be conveniently used on the Falcon 9 first stage because of its multiple engines. The idea would be to greatly shorten the nozzles on the Merlins and arrange them around a central spike.We need an estimate of the mass of the Falcon 9 first stage. This environmental assess- ment report on the SpaceX Grasshopper VTVL test vehicle[6] gives on p. 7 (page 17 according to the numbering as a PDF file) the Falcon 9 first stage kerosene load as 24,900 gallons and 38,900 gallons of LOX. Using a density of .820 gm\/cc for keroseneand 1.14 gm\/cc for LOX, this amounts to about 245,000 kg propellant for the first stage.Falcon 9 with aerospike nozzle becomes SSTO.SpaceX has said the Falcon 9 first stage has a better than 20 to 1 mass ratio. This would give it a first stage dry mass of 13,000 kg. But this is using the Merlin 1C engine. From the thrust level and thrust\/weight ratio[7] for this engine we can estimate its mass as about 650 kg. The Merlin 1D is supposed to be lighter, estimated as 440 kg. Using these brings the dry mass down to 11,000 kg.The question is what would be the weight with the truncated nozzles and aerospike? A complaint against the aerospike used on the X-33 is that it had a worse T\/W ratio than other LH2\/LOX engines. However it had been planned for the full VentureStar version to use lightweight ceramics for the aerospike, expected to double the T\/W ratio to about 80 to 1, better than the SSME's. With the advances in ceramics necessitated by the research and test flights with the hypersonic vehicles such high temperature lightweight ceramics should be further along now than they were with the VentureStar. For instance, the method of transpiration cooling using ceramics should make rocket engine combustion chambers and nozzles lighter and more reusable[8]. So I'll assume the total engine weight remains the same with the aerospike.As before I'll use the Merlin Vacuum Isp in calculating the delta-V and take the required delta-V to orbit as 9,150 m\/s for kerosene engines. Then we can get 6,000 kg payload:342*9.8ln(1 + 245\/(11 + 6)) = 9,167 m\/s.An SSTO is best utilized as a reusable though. Estimates of the added weight of reentry\/landing systems are in the range of 28% [9]. However, with modern materials this probably can be cut to half that. Then the payload will be reduced to about 4.5 metric tons.\"An increase of 10% in Isp corresponds to an increase in 100% in payload.\"This example illustrates well the importance of altitude compensation. Using it we are able to increase our engine Isp by 10% or more, to the extent we can achieve an SSTO with significant payload. Note that because of the rocket equation just being able to increase the Isp by 10% is no trivial feat. A rule of thumb among propulsion engineers is that \"an increase of 10% in Isp corresponds to an increase in 100% in payload\"[10]. I'll illustrate this with a single stage vehicle. A common estimate is that a kerosene-fueled SSTO needs a mass ratio of 20 to carry significant payload. Let's say a Falcon 9 sized rocket had instead high efficiency engines such as the NK-33[11] with an Isp of 331 s. You would need three of these. These have better thrust\/weight than the Merlin 1C. So the dry weight is reduced to about 11 mT. Then it could carry a payload of 4.5 mT:331*9.8ln(1 + 245\/(11 + 4.5)) = 9,150 m\/s.With vacuum optimized nozzles high efficiency engines such as the NK-33 can get an Isp at 360+ s. Ten percent higher Isp than 331 s is at 364 s. Using this as the Isp allows a payload of 9.4 mT: 364*9.8ln(1 + 245\/(11 + 9.4)) = 9,150 m\/s.Falcon Heavy with aerospike matches phase 1 SLS a hundred times cheaper.Interestingly an improvement in payload using altitude compensation also applies to staged vehicles. A preliminary calculation showed that with a two-stage vehicle you can increase your payload in the range of 25% to 30%. The improvement can be even better if the vehicle uses parallel staging, perhaps up to 50%. This is because with parallel staging the second stage still has to use the same nozzles as a lower stage because they still fire from the ground.I'll illustrate this with the Falcon Heavy. SpaceX has said its side boosters will achieve a 30 to 1 mass ratio[12]. Reportedly the lower stages also will be stretched to hold more propellant. A posting on the NASASpaceFlight forum suggests a stretched version of the Falcon 9 will have 480,000 kg gross mass[13]. I'll estimate the stretched Falcon 9 based boosters as having a 435 mT propellant load and 15 mt dry mass. The central core stage has to be stronger since it holds the upper stage as well as the heavy payload. I'll take the dry mass for this lower core stage as 20 mT with the same 435 mT propellant load.For the upper stage, I'll take the propellant load as 30 mT and the dry mass + fairing as 6 mT. For the vacuum Isp of the Merlin 1D I'll take the announced 310 s, and for the Isp of the upper stage, that of the Merlin Vacuum, 342 s. Then we can lift a payload of 51 mT:310*9.8ln(1 + 2*435\/(2*15 + 435 + 20 + 36 + 51)) + 310*9.8ln(1 + 435\/(20 + 36 + 51)) + 342*9.8ln(1 + 30\/(6 + 51)) = 9,155 m\/s.Now suppose we use altitude compensation to be able to get 342 s vacuum Isp for all the engines. Then we could lift 70 mT:342*9.8ln(1 + 2*435\/(2*15 + 435 + 20 + 36 + 70)) + 342*9.8ln(1 + 435\/(20 + 36 + 70)) + 342*9.8ln(1 + 30\/(6 + 70)) = 9,150 m\/sThis means we could get a 70 mT launcher from essentially the same vehicle as the Falcon Heavy by using altitude compensation on the engines. SpaceX has said they intend to sell the Falcon Heavy for the range of $80 to $125 million per launch. The modifications to the aerospike nozzle should be relatively low cost compared to designing a whole new engine so the price should still be in this range.Compare this to the estimates of the costs of the SLS program:Space Launch System.\"Program costs.During the joint Senate-NASA presentation in September 2011, it wasstated that the SLS program has a projected development cost of $18billion through 2017, with $10B for the SLS rocket, $6B for the OrionMulti-Purpose Crew Vehicle and $2B for upgrades to the launch pad andother facilities at Kennedy Space Center. An unofficial NASAdocument estimates the cost of the program through 2025 will total atleast $41B for four 70 metric ton launches (1 unmanned in 2017, 3manned starting in 2021). The 130 metric ton version should not beready earlier than 2030.\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Space_Launch_System#Program_costsIf that estimate for the total costs of the SLS is correct then that's $10 billion per launch for the interim 70 mT payload vehicle. That's two orders of magnitude higher than the Falcon Heavy with altitude compensation.Reusable first stage Falcon 9 with aerospike also serves as a reusable booster.This is for the expendable version of the Falcon stages. However, another benefit of the reusable version is that it could serve as the first stage of the reusable booster program (RBS) of the Air Force[14].Reusable Falcon 9 with aerospike also as next-generation shuttle.Another interesting possibility is suggested by the recent report of investigations of bringing back the shuttle as a commercial satellite launcher[15],[16]. My view is that the shuttle orbiter is too heavy for that role, ca. 80 mT in dry mass. This cuts greatly into the payload capacity. According to the reports the investigations also considered building their own shuttle but using the advancements made since the shuttle was designed. Then the reusable Falcon SSTO could be used to launch small payloads or even crew capsules. It could be modeled on the aerodynamic design of the shuttle since the aerodynamics for that are so well studied. Since kerolox has an overall density about 1,000 kg\/m^3, the propellant could fit within the 300 m^3 shuttle-sized payload bay[17]with 55 m^3 left over. For a cargo only version we could also use the 75 m^3 sized volume of the crew cabin, for a total of 130 m^3.The stretched version of the Falcon 9 first stage to be used for the side boosters of the Falcon Heavy are expected by SpaceX to have 30 to 1 mass ratio. The improved mass ratio over the current Falcon 9 first stage is probably coming from the fact that making your rocket larger in general improves your mass ratio, the fact that the new Merlin 1D is lighter, and also the fact the boosters do not have to support the weight of the upper stage and payload of the full vehicle. Using a 435 mT propellant load and a 15 mT dry mass, this could launch 15.3 mT: 342*9.8ln(1 + 435\/(15 + 15.3)) = 9,155 m\/s. If you take the reentry\/landing systems mass with modern materials as 14% of the dry mass this takes up 2.1 mT from the payload, so to 13.2 mT. To scale up the space shuttle design for a 435 mT propellant tank compared to a 245 mT tank, the linear dimensions would only have to be scaled up by 20%.Bob Clark1.)Aerospike Engine.http:\/\/www.aerospaceweb.org\/design\/aerospike\/main.shtml2.)Nozzle Design.by R.A. O'Leary and J. E. Beck, Spring 1992http:\/\/www.rocketdynetech.com\/articles\/nozzledesign.htm3.)Aerospike engine.[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Aerospike_engine\"]Aerospike engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]4.)Beta, A Single Stage Reusable Ballistic Space Shuttle Concept.Based on a study contract of the German Federal Ministery for Education and Science, Bonn (RFT 1017).May 1970Space Division, Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm ( MBB), Munich, Germany.www.spacefuture.com\/archive\/beta_a_single_stage_reusable_ballistic_space_shuttle_concept.shtml5.)A Cost Engineered Launch Vehicle for Space Tourism.D E KoelleTCS-TransCostSystems, Ottobrunn, Germany.IAA-98-IAA.1.5.07http:\/\/www.spacefuture.com\/archive\/a_cost_engineered_launch_vehicle_for_space_tourism.shtml6.)Draft Environmental Assessment for Issuing an Experimental Permit to SpaceXfor Operation of the Grasshopper Vehicle at the McGregor Test Site,Texas.September, 2011http:\/\/www.faa.gov\/about\/office_org...0110922 SpaceX Grasshopper Draft EA.Final.pdf7.)Merlin(rocket engine).http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Merlin_(rocket_engine)8.)Ceramic Materials for Reusable Liquid Fueled Rocket Engine Combustion Devices.http:\/\/ammtiac.alionscience.com\/pdf\/AMPQ8_1ART06.pdf9.)Newsgroups: sci.space.policy, sci.space.history, sci.astro, sci.physicsFrom: Robert Clark <[email\u00a0protected]>Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: Elon Musk's SpaceX to build 'Grasshopper' hover-rockethttp:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/sci.physics\/msg\/f3b4c27da1f13027?hl=en10.)Discovery of New Molecule Could Lead to More Efficient Rocket Fuel.ScienceDaily (Dec. 22, 2010)http:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2010\/12\/101222071831.htm11.)NK-33.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/nk33.htm12.)SPACEX ANNOUNCES LAUNCH DATE FOR THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL ROCKET.http:\/\/www.spacex.com\/press.php?page=2011040513.)Re: Falcon Heavy Master Update Thread.http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/index.php?topic=24711.msg723410#msg72341014.)Doing a 180 - AFRL's Rocket-back Pathfinder.Posted by Graham Warwick at 4\/7\/2010 7:52 AM CDThttp:\/\/www.aviationweek.com\/aw\/blog...79a7Post:1553afc7-cc1e-4b5e-9a6c-ced39704d34815.)Next Gen Shuttle-Capable vehicle interest as secret effort to save orbiters ends.December 19th, 2011 by Chris Berginhttp:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/2011\/12\/next-gen-shuttle-vehicle-secret-effort-save-orbiters-ends\/16.)Atlantis Journal \u2013 Epilogue.by MLD on Dec.19, 2011, under Commercial Space, Space Exploration, Space Policy, Space Shuttle Programhttp:\/\/www.marylynnedittmar.com\/?p=130317.)Space Shuttle orbiter.Shuttle Orbiter Specifications.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Space_Shuttle_orbiter#Shuttle_Orbiter_Specifications>RGClark said:In post#136I argued that small, low cost SSTO's are doablenow using lightweight design and high efficiency engines. However,I was surprised to find after doing the calculation you don't even needthe high efficiency engines to get the SSTO. The low efficiency SpaceXMerlin engines would be sufficient for example, IF you have altitude compensation.The impetus for trying the calculation was from a report by SpaceXthat you could get the same performance from a planned heavy liftfirst stage using a lower performance Merlin 2 engine compared to thehigh performance RS-84 engine. The reason was the lower Isp of theMerlin was made up for by its lower weight:SpaceX Propulsion.http:\/\/images.spaceref.com\/news\/2010\/SpaceX_Propulsion.pdfNow note that the biggest single contributor to the vacuum Isp of anengine is not the chamber pressure, but the nozzle length. Forexample, the Merlin Vacuum raises its vacuum Isp to 342 s from the 304s Isp of the Merlin 1C by having a longer nozzle, even though thechamber pressure remains the same, ca. 100 bar.So I'll redo the calculation for the SSTO using the SpaceX Falcon 1first stage but using Merlin engines this time. We'll assume thatusing altitude compensation we are able to get an engine with the samevacuum Isp as the Merlin Vacuum but able to launch from ground.We'll use the soon to be introduced Merlin 1D:SpaceX Plans To Be Top World Rocket Maker.Aug 11, 2011By Guy NorrisSan Diegohttp:\/\/www.aviationweek.com\/aw\/generic\/story.jsp?id=news\/awst\/2011\/08\/08\/AW_08_08_2011_p27-354586.xml&headline=SpaceX%20Plans%20To%20Be%20Top%20World%20Rocket%20Maker&channel=defenseUsing the 160 to 1 thrust\/weight ratio and 155,000 lbs. vacuum thrustgiven, it has a mass of 970 lbs., 440 kg. However, this would make itoverpowered for the Falcon 1 first stage only. So we'll use two copiesof this stage powered by a single Merlin 1D.The original Falcon 1 first stage with the Merlin 1C engine has a dry massof 1,360 kg. I estimated the mass of the Merlin 1C in the prior post tobe 650 kg. So without the engine, the stage weighs 710 kg. So two ofthem will be 1,420 kg without engines, and adding on the Merlin 1Dengine gives this a mass of 1,860 kg.The propellant mass of the two copies of the first stage is 43,080kg. Then to calculate the payload that can be carried I'll again justuse the vacuum Isp and take the required delta-V as 9,150 m\/s. Weconclude a payload of 1,140 kg can be lofted:342*9.8ln(1 + 43,080\/(1,860 + 1,140)) = 9,160.Now we'll estimate how much the payload can be if we use a higherenergy density fuel such as methylacetylene and use lightweightcomposites for the stage. I'll get a rough idea how high the Isp canbe for this case by assuming it is increased proportionally to thesame degree as for the high efficiency engine case. That is, usingmethylacetylene in the high efficiency case resulted in increasing thevacuum Isp to 384 s from the 360 s vacuum Isp for the kerosene.Assuming the vacuum Isp will be increased to the same proportion heregives us a vacuum Isp of 365 s for methylacetylene and the Merlin 1Dengine.For the reduced stage weight using composites, assume again it willbe reduced by 40% aside from the engines. Then the stage weight withthe Merlin 1D engine will be .6*1,420 + 440 kg = 1,290 kg. Then willbe able to loft a payload of 2,320 kg:365*9.8ln(1 + 43,080\/(1,290 + 2,320)) = 9,160 m\/s.Also, quite likely SpaceX could make a half-size version of theMerlin 1D engine. So you could use a single copy of the Falcon 1 firststage. Then the payload would be approximately cut in half, 570 kg forthe kerosene\/standard stage version and 1,160 kg for themethylacetylene\/composite stage version.Note that low chamber pressure, low performance engines can also beused to power the SSTO's is extremely important. Such engines haveless complicated combustion cycles and have to withstand much lessstrenuous operating regimes. This makes them cheaper, simpler, easierto maintain, and easier to make reusable. So the most costly componentof any rocket, the engines, become markedly cheaper for the proposedSSTO.What is key though is to come up with ways to get the needed altitudecompensation without adding on too much to the engine weight. In afollowing post I'll discuss some methods this might be accomplished.Bob Clark\n\n", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.010320128Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-11-21T17:35:04+0000", "id": "fc4f801d0e0119102b1735f60bcb82c7", "post_id": "post-252015", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Nifty animation: Dust in the air for CuriositySix Navcam images pointed toward the horizon taken over the course of Curiosity's time near Rocknest document changes in the transparency of the atmosphere.NASA \/ JPL \/ Egorov Vitaly (\"Zelenyikot\")\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.085929984Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2011-04-04T02:09:50+0100", "id": "843877e5ccca326ba179a04e46f3b5b9", "post_id": "post-219555", "text": "Still alive", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.643346176Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-26T05:30:01+0100", "id": "4d53558bc61e5732ee993b70b8918e58", "post_id": "post-220971", "text": "Bj said:So far SSTO ships don't exist yet. --I thought we scratched those off? :shrug:\n\nI must have missed the memo. :uhh:I suppose 'superhero' is an exaggeration. I was thinking of a hab only as an ISS-type white cylinder, with a heat shield and engines bolted on (or something; who knows?). If it has all of these things integrated, is it not more of a self-contained vessel than a module?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.607734784Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-03T15:24:06+0100", "id": "bf23318ca021f8d09a85e6f3ed60b9ef", "post_id": "post-252951", "text": "Sky Captain said:Main reason for putting reactors on front was to make as much ship as possible radiation free, especially the engines. Propellant tanks are there to provide another layer of radiation protection. That way if something goes wrong at engine section it is accessible by human crew. In a setup where engines are behind reactors engine section can be accessed only by RMS which could make repairs in some cases more difficult or impossible. Mind you it comes with some mass penalty, but then again every design decision has some tradeoffs\n\nAnd what if something goes wrong with the reactors?:pI would think that a problem with one of the nuclear reactors would be a much more urgent issue than a problem with one of the engines. If one engine goes kaput, the other engines can compensate (you have 5.) If one of the reactors undergoes meltdown, you lose the ship.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.58376448Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-08-11T18:54:01+0100", "id": "13e3f75b0409d81bf4221b45c552afc6", "post_id": "post-220213", "text": "RGClark said:If you don't find the topic interesting or believable you are freely encouraged not to read it or respond to it.However, I severely doubt that other readers of this forum would want you to make that decision for them.\n\nHow many people except me and TNeo do you see in this thread?;)", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66126976Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T03:33:37+0100", "id": "ec225fc7342609c33a9fe28bfdbeb2df", "post_id": "post-220613", "text": "You make a good point. Don't mind me! :blahblah:About the boxes, all I meant was that it was a measly maximum payload for a half-kilometer long vessel.Anyway...I toyed around with an exploration stack based on the Cook, and this is what I came up with.(Just a couple of default modules, Solar Service Modules and Dragonflies, as well as two default deltagliders (because the scenario had them anyway and this is just a demonstration.)Fuel tanks would be necessary for the station (which I did not add, oops), and two of the hab modules seen in the second image would be storage space. Also, two Dragonflies is a little unnecessary. What do you guys think?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.610191616Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-04T15:40:38+0100", "id": "fba6182caf5a7ac91b8b5ab1d26e2cdb", "post_id": "post-252967", "text": "I think it would be best to launch from Lunar orbit...", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.167777024Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-01T22:10:09+0100", "id": "fddf4705949a39b1275024602fe0ddfc", "post_id": "post-219679", "text": "Docking video:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=hmwkcxkP9EI\"]YouTube- New Supplies for Space Station Crew[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66571008Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T01:57:35+0100", "id": "796bab241b148488c152a40341c8d1bd", "post_id": "post-220654", "text": "Izack, Your stack idea looks good so far with 1 exception. With the xr-2's (or DG's for that matter) docked in that manner I'm afraid that once the stack is under thrust it would stress the docking collar to the point of failure. While I don't think that that particular effect is modeled in orbiter, I still think that they should be docked parallel to the stack instead of perpendicular to it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.642685184Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-29T18:57:10+0100", "id": "c35b4a0fdd879aaad325105ef09754fb", "post_id": "post-253070", "text": "Since it wasn't posted yet here, the less official SP+ page:http:\/\/solarprobe.jhuapl.edu\/Contains the 38 MB engineering report with all the design data and trajectory options that would be nice for an add-on.;)", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.168200192Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-05-02T12:08:54+0100", "id": "2026da9ec6db8c0c7209406f8875e186", "post_id": "post-219681", "text": "According to Novosti Kosmonavtiki forum, the Kurs might not be a blame. One possible cause of the failure could be an attitude engine malfunction causing a panic across the space freighter's automatics.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.739676672Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-28T07:07:28+0100", "id": "d49079cb59ccaaede2ee6f4344950b36", "post_id": "post-219305", "text": "O how about \"gallos de salchich\u00f3n\" from the future technology that may come from Costa Rica? :lol:", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.793546752Z", "author": "Blacklight", "date": "2012-08-06T05:47:06+0100", "id": "6a37c1b0157ab4226d1e1c8bf8048b24", "post_id": "post-251512", "text": "All I'm saying is, the way they're hyping it, that crazy landing contraption had better work. Hehe.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.07974528Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-07-15T15:39:06+0100", "id": "81a7ea5811c77bb4948aa5c6535018f5", "post_id": "post-219521", "text": "Here's a cool gallery of photos taken aboard the Shuttle & ISS using Nikon cameras!", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581278464Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-07-07T13:35:00+0100", "id": "d3f3c745e3e3c9c5c83d5bcdcfd21c70", "post_id": "post-220189", "text": "I removed the engines from the S-II for exactly this reason.If I add a whole 6000 kg to the ET, I still get a mass ratio of over 23. I would say that this is Absolutely No Contest for the S-II, or at the least, that the S-II isn't 'the most mass optimised hydrolox stage ever', as you suggest.If you aren't willing to explore other possibilities, just because they require more speculative effort on your part, then you will severely limit yourself.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.045528576Z", "author": "Ravenous", "date": "2017-03-24T11:21:59+0000", "id": "c8db0898fe56442eda6a857fbcce068f", "post_id": "post-252206", "text": "NukeET said:I was thinking more of Mark Watney.:lol::lol::lol:\n\nHeh anything with Plutonium on it, he'll be right there with one of his mylar blankets!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.087937024Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2012-05-07T17:29:58+0100", "id": "5193b0b213e3403cacc2bbcb927306c6", "post_id": "post-219573", "text": "China never fails to deliver.A ZnSe lens - broad IR transmittance, and much clearer focus compared to a plastic Fresnel.That allows for commercial-level quality images of things hotter than 90*C:Even the reflected \"light\" is visible:And the same, in classic colouration with better details:So, anything hot around that is worth taking a picture of?:)", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613301248Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-06T23:32:29+0100", "id": "5401c00875c799da1a55a2755599bbc6", "post_id": "post-220724", "text": "Bj said:Then that only leaves option 1. :thumbup:\n\nDon't overestimate the effect of Mars orbit on the mission dV. as far as I remember the Porkchop plots, the increase is rather harmless. And the pattern repeats every 15 years - the next such conjunction would already happen in 2018, maybe not as close as it was in 2003, but almost as close.AND: If we can't launch resupply missions and crew exchanges at every launch window, we can directly stay at home.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.168315136Z", "author": "Talon1", "date": "2010-08-30T07:03:35+0100", "id": "97919d81ef474a000570c1e8e01271d3", "post_id": "post-252316", "text": "Now that's one of the BEST homemade builds EVER!!! :lol::thumbup: I want one of those! *drooooool...*", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.622599168Z", "author": "cymrych", "date": "2010-05-10T23:09:47+0100", "id": "84d8992aeb9f2ebb07f18751b06f5118", "post_id": "post-220803", "text": "I started a new discussion page on the OFMM group's page, entitled \"The Stack development.\" Hopefully, it'll help keep us a little more organized, at least on this aspect of the development effort for Project Prometheus. And once we get a little closer to a final design of the machinery that will take us to Mars, we can all better assess the specific missions that we'll need to get the job done, and done realistically.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56121088Z", "author": "Matrix Aran", "date": "2012-06-03T02:50:54+0100", "id": "7d3afb5cff2e1383280421d1e0bb28dd", "post_id": "post-220382", "text": "I agree with you all, on orbit refueling is quite necessary to move forward, and the dangers don't seem too difficult to overcome. I'm just curious about how anyone plans on getting the fuel up to orbit in the first place. Well curious, and slightly concerned that someone is then going to suggest using an SSTO for fuel transport.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.245848576Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-09-14T12:35:52+0100", "id": "e562481309f51bc59bd4ca0a8858a37e", "post_id": "post-252379", "text": "spacecraft3 or custom dll is a choice that manly depends on your goals....i, myself, never really made anything with sc3... i started making ships as a fun way of getting some C++ hands-on practice, so i went for DLL right away, since i already knew modelling and all...so it's really up to what your initial goals are... if you have a lot of ideas on how a ship would handle (cockpit workings, button-flicking, the works...) - go for learning how to make DLL's -- if you have a mostly visual concept for a ship in mind, then use sc3, so you can focus more on modelling than on interactive features :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16290 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.642466816Z", "author": "Mojave", "date": "2010-05-23T20:11:34+0100", "id": "d8e1795a05356b9331cea6c3db42025f", "post_id": "post-220961", "text": "I still can build a landing site with AR81's Surfacebase wizard.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613154304Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-06T23:30:03+0100", "id": "56815517229837add19bbc4f56a47337", "post_id": "post-220723", "text": "Alright, this is what I am envisioning for the needed buildings. (Obviously this is a rough sketch I drew, anyone can do whatever as always:))", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.512037888Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-02T08:50:44+0100", "id": "2b2e2c09560e41cf725b5df04e415564", "post_id": "post-252756", "text": "gpugen_nc.exe - texgen.log:Code:GPU Name=NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS\n--Initializing precomputation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone, time=25265.8 per quad\n--Generating on cpu...\nDone, time=1732222 per quadNo warnings in shader.log. Everything looks fine.", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.658531584Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-02T23:05:49+0100", "id": "7bad86d3b0377d3017d7affa335b3585", "post_id": "post-220583", "text": "Bj said:This looks like its turning into developing a whole new vessel rather then concentrating on just getting there, doing the mission, come back.What about using the resources already available? Like the building blocks or similar. It would take a whole year just to get a station like it lifted into orbit and sent on its way.\n\nIsn't Mars mission all about the vessel that would get us there and back?A vessel like that, once developed, can be a stepping stone for various interplanetary missions.I'd say it's worth the effort.Bj said:The only real think that needs developing is an engine with controllable pitch, just in case the COG is really off center.\n\nA thing i had a long time.Dambuster said:What about some sort of DG-based shuttle, but one built for Mars (maybe far larger wings to account for the density of the atmosphere)?\n\nAny of such around? XR-2 seems to fit, conveniently powered-down.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.491336704Z", "author": "Silvercn", "date": "2008-05-11T12:56:49+0100", "id": "23aefc8b7ad8722dee9465c50101367a", "post_id": "post-65220", "text": "Hi there, i there a way from ISS to MIR?", "thread_id": 1407 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.041993216Z", "author": "ISProgram", "date": "2014-04-10T20:12:10+0100", "id": "5089a80ac05f59b0e5230a59dc07350c", "post_id": "post-252177", "text": "Ripley said:Fromslate.com\n\nWhat NASA said...I was thinking cosmic ray or bright rock too, but this is only valid if this has appeared in other images. Given the media hype on this one, I don't think so.But I'm probably wrong. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.4587584Z", "author": "Mojave", "date": "2010-04-29T14:59:20+0100", "id": "74ca5f458435182c5dd03e00483be856", "post_id": "post-219907", "text": "It just seems like there are more earthquakes. Last time I checked the Rate of earthquakes is in fact normal like Zatnikitelman said. There have been a lot of low grade quakes lately making people believe that the number has spiked in 2010.", "thread_id": 14060 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558972672Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-10T20:10:17+0000", "id": "0eed99747f2d5761462780e9c87449dd", "post_id": "post-220354", "text": "Urwumpe said:Really? Where did you hide the evidence for that?\n\nIn the post#217in the section \"Falcon 9 with aerospike nozzle becomes SSTO\", I calculated the payload even with reentry\/landing systems as 4,500 kg while the mass of the Dragon capsule is 4,200 kg.But it will be more interesting to calculate some payloads using the online Schilling payload estimator:Launch Vehicle Performance Calculator.http:\/\/www.silverbirdastronautics.com\/LVperform.htmlThis is interesting because it allows you to compare the payload when you use all 9 engines for the SSTO usage or reduce the engines to save on dry weight. I thought you would be able to increase payload by saving on dry weight by reducing the number of engines. But it occurred to me that keeping the large number of engines you reduce the time for the vertical thrust portion and therefore reduce gravity drag, which is a significant part of the delta-V required to orbit.I found that the payload did indeed increase a fair amount with heavier engine weight, i.e., more engines.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.048962048Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-11-25T12:46:09+0000", "id": "11f00d374f250668c81fe7c6c1709ed9", "post_id": "post-251233", "text": "There is also one inthe calendar event for MSL launch.Universe Today:Curiosity Rover \u2018Locked and Loaded\u2019 for Quantum Leap in Pursuit of Martian Microbial LifeFlorida Today - The Flame Trench:Atlas V at pad for Saturday launch of Mars roverPatrick AFB - 45th Weather Squadron:Launch Mission Execution Forecast(PDF)collectSPACE:Out of Curiosity: Toy stores missing NASA Mars Science Laboratory roverRIA Novosti:NASA to launch Curiosity rover to probe for life on Mars Nov. 26Discovery News:Mars Life? New Rover May Uncover Tantalizing CluesSPACE.com:Wheels on Mars: New Curiosity Rover Has Big Tracks to FillOut of Curiosity: Toy Stores Missing Mars Rover", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.550112768Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T17:21:52+0100", "id": "2e6509ad3da2f54b7b9763d44272855b", "post_id": "post-220090", "text": "AFAIR, the top-heaviness of the ET is also required because of the side-mount, otherwise the location of the SSMEs would be far worse.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.570957568Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2013-11-19T19:39:50+0000", "id": "40b898c8703ab21c9b1c0542f9567d6b", "post_id": "post-220467", "text": "Musk offers something. It's just not the magical fairy dust you like to see but a launch provider like Orbital or the ULA. Nothing new, nothing revolutionary.Until now at least. This might change.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.170971904Z", "author": "Talon1", "date": "2010-09-05T08:22:53+0100", "id": "0e9fb8aa1b002384b818da1219616ac6", "post_id": "post-252334", "text": "Talon1 said:Thank you very much for mentioning FreeTrack! Now I can see if I can get this thing to work with Orbiter.:)I have the parts in my junk box, might as well put it to good use. :lol:\n\nIt works!!! :lol: I tested it out with my un-modified Microsoft VX-3000 Webcam and used a single point yellow LED configuration and duct taped it to the top of my headset. It's just AWESOME, especially when your flying in Coolhand's kickass XR-2 virtual cockpit!:speakcool: Now I'm in the process of making a 3-point clip.:)", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.129747968Z", "author": "Orville", "date": "2017-03-26T04:35:27+0100", "id": "23ea82146305c85f890c0ef559085a9c", "post_id": "post-219629", "text": "I built a simple antenna and downloaded some software to capture and process signals from US (NOAA) and Russian (METEOR) weather satellites passing overhead. A couple of samples of what I captured are shown below.The METEOR satellite provides about 1 km\/pixel resolution. The older NOAA satellite provides around 4 km\/pixel resolution I think.Yes, I live in South Korea.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.626794496Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-13T03:20:28+0100", "id": "443d4ae82b93f174765d8c1781ba0d8b", "post_id": "post-220843", "text": "We could always place the modules in a way to minimize stress on the attachment points and make said attachments a bit sturdier (simulate this by giving them some more mass to the modules?). The modules alone can handle the acceleration as long as it's not too high, they've been launched on rockets after all.We can also reduce the deceleration needed to do an aerocapture if we do it in multiple steps. ie: Aerobrake into a high elliptical orbit-> then into a less eccentric orbit-> continue process until desired ApA is attained-> circularize.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.317696768Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2008-10-10T15:32:43+0100", "id": "fafaa000edde9b87ce7eedbfdc130cdb", "post_id": "post-12908", "text": "Restoring Orbiterschool.com after a hack takes a significant amount of time, so here are my tutorials, originally stored at Orbiterschool:Rocket Science for Dummies reworked:Lesson 1: Into orbitLesson 2: Climbing up and falling downLesson 3: Inclined to change?Lesson 4: Ships that pass in the nightLesson 5: There's no place like homeA bit outdated IMFD 4.6 tutorial,From the Earth to the Moon", "thread_id": 163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.566537728Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2013-11-10T15:45:20+0000", "id": "166cadd072f68a36faa066b26141f293", "post_id": "post-220442", "text": "Urwumpe said:......Problem 3: A SSTO will NOT have 4-5% construction mass. Simply because a parachute will alone weight 4% of the landing mass, a heat shield around 20% of the landing mass. Landing gear adds around 8% of the landing mass, alternative landing systems are between 2% (crushable structure, no reuse possible) and 5% (airbags, no powered landing possible). So at landing, even if you avoid using a parachute: More than 28% of your landing mass will be reserved. And you can't just make the rocket bigger for compensating this, like you could do on expendable rockets. The whole system has to grow to a point that the numbers work out again - and might never work out for some missions.If it would be easy to build an SSTO we would already have one.\n\nThe masses for the extra structures needed for reusability are far less than those. And SpaceX has already shown reusability of the engines with the Grasshopper. I admit though this has to be shown with rapid reuse.A key reason SSTO has not been used is lack of altitude compensating engines. Techniques for doing this however have been tested for decades, such as the aerospike. IF altitude compensation is used on a SSTO the payload increases dramatically.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 10:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:40 AM ----------Hlynkacg said:What leads you to conclude that the F9 first stage is SSTO capable. Or that it would be more efficient than a complete F9?Show your work.\n\nUse Dr. John Schilling's Launch Performance Calculator:http:\/\/www.silverbirdastronautics.com\/LVperform.htmlThe results I got are in the blog post.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.637950208Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-20T01:41:10+0100", "id": "685778d5e43ed3ca10653432dfd1b90b", "post_id": "post-220926", "text": "Proton = sameI just download Energy Project[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=1036\"]ENERGY project, release 4[\/nomedia]From the wiki, it is just barely able to lift it up (with full payload of fuel) We can cut back fuel if need be, but anything wrong with using this vessel?Urwumpe said:We could also try using the XR5 for on-orbit assembly, or a Nova SSTO...\n\nHey now I thought we where going with realistic? XR5? :rofl:Columbia42 said:I'll try putting it on top of an Ares V rocket and see how it does.\n\nWell at least it fits width wise..Actually I think it will fit totally, it just needs a offset adjustment.So Energy project or Aries V?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.560890624Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-10-23T14:12:08+0100", "id": "29afa6176d3cbfeb82b4ad6b8ffb4982", "post_id": "post-252927", "text": "ok the addon ''More packed things for UCGO'' does not work at all", "thread_id": 16336 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.584161536Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-08-16T20:02:52+0100", "id": "ca93c5f5837e699bfdb1b4b5099f9db4", "post_id": "post-220217", "text": "Fever said:Urwumpe's expression of the ascent equation in post 111 lacks a term. In addition to the gravity loss term, drag loss term, and steering loss term, there should be a fourth term for back pressure losses.Most trajectory codes, and in particular the industry-standard POST and OTIS codes, add this fourth term because it accounts for the difference between vacuum thrust and thrust at any given altitude as a delta-V loss rather than a specific impulse loss. When calculations are performed in this fashion, \"Trajectory averaged Isp\" isn't a helpful number. The difference between thrust at a given altitude and vacuum thrust is accounted for on the delta-V part of the budget rather than the Isp. It's a bookkeeping expedient - keeping all the deviations from ideal on one side of the equation.RGClark's understanding of Mitchell Burnside Clapp's argument in post 136 is incomplete. Using the vacuum Isp is industry practice, as explained above, but all that the linked post really claims is that a variety of stages have in excess of 30,000 ft\/s of delta-V, that 30,000 ft\/s is \"SSTO-class\" delta-V, and that many of them use dense propellants. Indeed, the ones using dense propellants are generally smaller than the ones using hydrogen, and while the mass ratios of such stages need to be higher for lower Isp propellants, the increase in propellant density that typically accompanies lower Isp makes that easier to achieve.Burnside Clapp does NOT argue that one should \"Just use 30,000 ft\/s.\" That's the whole point of argument linked in post 106 of this thread. Lower Isp propellants need somewhat less delta-V to orbit because of the reduction in gravity losses. It's about a 1000 ft\/sec advantage. It's nothing to do with density (except for perhaps a modest benefit in reduced drag losses), but just a \"accelerates faster earlier in the trajectory\" effect, which causes the reduction in gravity loss. But lower Isp fuels are generally also denser ones, so you can see how the two concepts get linked together.The conclusion of this line of reasoning is that while a hydrogen-based SSTO might be possible, a clear understanding of the engineering challenges of working with hydrogen and developing a vehicle that uses it might lead a designer to conclude that a dense-propellant, lower-Isp-based SSTO might be an easier engineering challenge, and have other operational advantages.Whether an SSTO is itself a good idea is an entirely separate matter. TSTO's have advantages in gross weight and payload fraction, but the upper stage has to support stage 1 burnout g fully loaded, and the lower stage has to support all that weight at burnout g as well. These conditions impose non-trivial structural penalties. A dispositive answer is design, market, and technology dependent, and while not yet definitive, the evidence at the moment seems to favor a TSTO approach.\n\nYou are correct that the origin of the reduction in gravity loss for \"dense\" propellants is due, counterintuitively, to their lower Isp and that the delta-V to orbit for all dense propellants is not 30,000 fps for all of them. The difference though between the Isp's of the hydrocarbon fuels being considered is relatively small compared to the large difference between hydrogen and kerosene, so 30,000 fps is being taken as a catch all delta-V for all the hydrocarbon fuels. For hydrogen though, the delta-V to orbit being in the range of 31,000 fps is significantly larger and this should be taken into account.BTW, if you want to see a mathematical argument for this reduction in gravity drag due to lower Isp see:A Flexible Reusable Space Transportation System.Steven S. Pietrobon, Member, BISJournal of the British Interplanetary Society, vol. 53, pp. 276-288, May\/June 2000.http:\/\/www.sworld.com.au\/steven\/pub\/nsto.pdfAlso, readers of this forum might enjoying trying out this program that allows you to calculate rocket engine performance parameters for various propellant combinations:RPA \u2013 Tool for Rocket Propulsion Analysis.http:\/\/www.propulsion-analysis.com\/examples.htmBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.815715072Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T14:57:32+0100", "id": "c7dcd0d10e4158854dec55c9f13c96c5", "post_id": "post-219343", "text": "If they could travel to Earth, they could certainly destroy the entire ecosystem. Whether they would want to is a different matter.Making first contact on our terms, well, we're a few decades to centuries from doing that...And meteors are so atomic age. Interstellar empires use RKKVs...:p", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.976556288Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-07T22:35:42+0100", "id": "3f7cfebe6b95adc975653396ba778968", "post_id": "post-251753", "text": "Possible that Oppy would outlive MSL? Oppy has a powersource with unlimited life. MSL does not. MSL's days have been numbered since it was put together!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.828653824Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-29T17:56:10+0100", "id": "ad46792f19ed232c3085904f9bcfbc0a", "post_id": "post-219435", "text": "I've just found out, there was a short launch report on Zvezda TV:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vBjuTN4Jgww\"]YouTube- Kosmos 3M rocket Launched Kosmos 2463 (Parus)[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14016 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433592576Z", "author": "thomasantony", "date": "2008-05-12T06:43:14+0100", "id": "a3c5ab59b23ad0437d5a0cfc57bb7ffb", "post_id": "post-65205", "text": "SiberianTiger said:No, the better and cheaper solution is to drop a dozen of nukes all over the place to stop their people's suffering. :dry:Any idea on what the adjacent ASPAC countries think of this problem? ASEAN, perhaps? Does anyone remeber how the rule of Pol Pot was put to end by Vietnamese invasion?\n\nNo thanks.I wouldn't appreciate anyone dropping nukes 2000km from my home town. Or for that matter anywhere there since Myanmar borders India. I am sure our government would have *something* to say or do about it.We may just decide to put something on the PSLV or the GSLV that shouldn't be there ... and fire it off.~Thomas", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.04460288Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2017-03-22T01:58:09+0000", "id": "63bc38f7e37718cf4839b8608edae1fb", "post_id": "post-252201", "text": "\"grousers\"Learned a new word today. Thanks NASA.Reminds me of the day I learned what \"mullions\" are.I certainly hope the wheels hold out long enough. Kind of embarrassing if the lowest tech item on your rover is the part that ends the mission prematurely.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.087466496Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2012-04-23T08:16:13+0100", "id": "f387b146d6e8bd2cf3a87ec60760947a", "post_id": "post-219567", "text": "Andy44 said:Do we get to see what it looks like? Did you build the whole body or just use an existing unit with your new innards?\n\nThere is a \"making of\" part on the project site, i'm slowly filling it up.Any comments on the site's legibility and design?Build the thing from scratch, box and all. Only recycled piece is a scanner bed for X axis.A plywood box, wrapped in tin foil to keep EMF away.And wrapped in duct tape to keep the tin foil intact.Inside is the scanning robot, all the electronics, and a UPS battery to power it all.And the main piece of magic, the InAs photodiode on the sensor head.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.50387584Z", "author": "Pilot7893", "date": "2010-04-30T14:35:43+0100", "id": "21a7da9e2d5cd57f3d67d0309b5b582a", "post_id": "post-220020", "text": "This should have replaced the Shovel in the Soldier update.Most people won't get what I'm talking about.", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.063687424Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2011-11-26T15:48:08+0000", "id": "8a9c0de02a37fd711f50a11e6ee9a592", "post_id": "post-251273", "text": "Great launch!:thumbup::woohoo:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581500416Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-11T22:09:38+0100", "id": "8af9fc353935a0c2f6af98c4fb737f63", "post_id": "post-220192", "text": "RGClark said:... this was using the low efficiency engines available in the early 60's. Let's swap these out for the high efficiencyNK-33. The sustainer engine used was theLR89-5at 720 kg. At 1,220 kg the NK-33 weighs 500 kg more. So removing both the sustainer and booster engines to be replaced by the NK-33 our loaded mass becomes 117,526 kg and the dry mass 2,826 kg, and the mass ratio 41.6 (!).For the trajectory-averaged Isp, notice this is not just the midpoint between the sea level and vacuum value, since most of the flight to orbit is at high altitude at near vacuum conditions. A problem with doing these payload to orbit estimates is the lack of a simple method for getting the average Isp over the flight for an engine, which inhibits people from doing the calculations to realize SSTO is possible and really isn't that hard. I'll use a guesstimate Ed Kyle uses, who is a frequent contributor to NasaSpaceFlight.com and the operator of the Spacelauncereport.com site. Kyle takes theaverage Isp as lying 2\/3rds of the way upfrom the sea level value to the vacuum value. The sea level value of the Isp for the NK-33 is 297 s, and the vacuum value 331 s. Then from this guesstimate the average Isp is 297 + (2\/3)(331 - 297) = 319.667, which I'll round to 320 s.Using this average Isp and a 8,900 m\/s delta-V for a flight to orbit, we can lift 4,200 kg to orbit:320*9.8ln((117,526+4,200)\/(2,826+4,200)) = 8,944 m\/s. This is a payload fraction of 3.5%, comparable to that of many multi-stage rockets....\n\nDr. John Schilling has a launch performance estimator on his company's web page based on a numerical formula:Launch Vehicle Performance Calculator.http:\/\/www.silverbirdastronautics.com\/LVperform.htmlThere is a disclaimer on the page that for user-defined vehicles it is limited to only 3-stage vehicles, and indeed I found previously when I tried to use it on a SSTO it didn't supply an answer. However, recently I found it even gives an answer for an SSTO vehicle.This is the answer I got when I used the numbers of the above example:-------------------------------------------------------------Mission Performance:Launch Vehicle: User-Defined Launch VehicleLaunch Site: Cape Canaveral \/ KSCDestination Orbit: 200 x 200 km, 28 degEstimated Payload: 4319 kg95% Confidence Interval: 3077 - 5820 kg\"Payload\" refers to complete payload system weight, including any necessary payload attachment fittings or multiple payload adaptersThis is an estimate based on the best publicly-available engineering and performance data, and should not be used for detailed mission planning. Operational constraints may reduce performance or preclude this mission.--------------------------------------------------------------The estimator requires you to input an Isp and thrust for the engines. This is meant the vacuum Isp and thrust. The program takes into account the losses due to reduced exhaust velocity at sea level and low altitude.For this case I used the 331 s vacuum Isp and 1,636 kN vacuum thrust of the NK-33.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.517891072Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-01T08:09:36+0100", "id": "61dc853487f9706c197d98bcaf880240", "post_id": "post-220043", "text": "Having actualy sat in one, I can't recommend it. Only thing in its advantage was it was cheap, and I think you only needed a motor-cycle licence to drive it.Personally I prefer the Bond Bug, rarity value...http:\/\/www.shorey.net\/Auto\/Miscellaneous%20Pictures\/1970%20Bond%20Bug.jpgYou don't see wing-mirrors like that anymore! Though, as it had a tendency to catch fire, you would see piles of melted glass-fibre and a chassis at the side of the road in the 1970's. Happy days.N.", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.552662016Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2011-01-10T21:50:27+0000", "id": "d286c6923029591d13374d1d202f8f63", "post_id": "post-252910", "text": "Thanks flytandem. Actually, i just finished another session with 2378,54 kg. Unforunately, i didn't record that one. I'll give it another try tomorrow. There still is some room for improvement. I think it can be done with about 15-20 Kg less.I had tried that but found the resulting position of the craft wandered unpredictably and took more fuel to keep on track than the savings.\n\nThe Map program of IMFD is very helpful for keeping track of your trajectory, where other MFDs fail.On the playback, i have it already set for the target, and it guided me all the way. Of course for finding the initial window, i used TransX. I made the TLI on the second node, when the moon \"is to the left\" on TransX, because it's closer to the Earth by 40M, so it takes a little bit less dV to reach it.:cheers:", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.626044416Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-12T13:12:28+0100", "id": "fe410afec29206ee11f89e553f600ca8", "post_id": "post-220836", "text": "The Ares V already has boosters. However we could add two more to increase its payload.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.459122688Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-29T19:32:39+0100", "id": "7a2387cddd963ed843d8c004bb55aae9", "post_id": "post-219910", "text": "statickid said:2010 is a chump compared to 2004 and 2007!:hmm:\n\nWell, one third of the year is just over now. But this still means a lot of Earthquakes to happen before it becomes an unusual year.", "thread_id": 14060 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.978839808Z", "author": "mojoey", "date": "2012-08-08T16:17:00+0100", "id": "7cfd669a392c5fa6dada71803d78c7b4", "post_id": "post-251773", "text": "Kinda...magnificent dont ya think?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62721024Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-13T05:04:32+0100", "id": "990824f0eb64c5b423d581d68743551c", "post_id": "post-220847", "text": "Bj said:My sentiments exactly. Especially with the solar panels out like that, more like huge sails.\n\nThis is the MSS inOrbitalconfiguration. It could always be rearranged to a stack configuration and then rearranged one into LMO. Either way, I still have my doubts about Aerobraking.Bj said:Pablo (or anyone else), since you have all the modules already built, can you give a estimate of the weight of each individual module there? Perhaps all we need is a little more fuel and\/or second engine.\n\nTotal Mass is 244050 Kg. That's assuming empty masses for all modules besides the Service Module, and not counting the URMS (I forgot to include that in the wiki, shall edit that in).That's more than I thought it would be. 104000kg is for the Solar panels alone; which are the most massive pieces.EDIT: You said individual modules, whoops. I shall edit those in now (though I'll post this edit first so you know it's coming.)Super Edit:Hab Core: 13900 KgHab Modules(x2): 14300 KgCommunications Truss: 7500 KgSolaris(x2): 52000 kgCupola: 11800 KgService Module: 19000 KgTruss(x4): 1000 KgStorage Modules(x3): 10000Hab Nodes(x2): 2500 KgWork Modules(x2): 10000 KgTruss Node: 250 Kg", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.472581376Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-30T03:11:31+0100", "id": "e9b8a2761660986e964f20e6f1852128", "post_id": "post-219923", "text": "It's not really original; there is a US 1-dollar coin which already has the Apollo 11 mission logo on it:", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.984050688Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2012-08-11T06:35:51+0100", "id": "29634ebebbda48ea6e5c13a9d03d0373", "post_id": "post-251806", "text": "http:\/\/www.brothers-brick.com\/2012\/08\/10\/mission-to-mars-an-interview-with-stephen-pakbaz\/Interview with a Curiosity Engineer, and links to the LEGO CUUSOO Curiosity Project.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65521792Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-14T02:18:27+0100", "id": "17cd04de02035269afd3249c3936dd1f", "post_id": "post-221081", "text": "I am also in favour, for the same reason.We seem to be missing some VIPs though, so no decision is final yet...EDIT: Seemed to have missed that last post. Thanks, Tex!It looks like a small amount of weeding may need to be done, though. Many of the ideas there have been dropped (The MSS, for instance.) Also, my post about the O-F section is now totally irrelevant. :lol:Another thing I noticed is that if OFMM stuff appears in the forum pulse, like \"Operations and Technical Manual\" just did, then it's going to confuse a lot of people.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.0882368Z", "author": "Eccentrus", "date": "2013-05-14T11:00:36+0100", "id": "5b768118c13a783f33246ee0ca5c550c", "post_id": "post-219576", "text": "Oh my god, I can't believe that this thread can be dead for so long, I think another year is an apt time to revive what is a magnificent and should be a lively threadI don't know if this is cool by your definition, but I found these gems among hundreds I shot last Sunday (coincidentally an exact year after Andy's post) with my new spanking Canon G15 (yay, finally, a proper camera with some manual control!)Waiting for the world to changeFor some people, traffic jam is notorious for the stress and is hated because of it. But I see differently. For me a traffic jam is like having the whole road posing for you, it's an entire scene in which slow motion you can capture many emotions. In this picture, which I composed purely by instinct (that's what 4 years of oil painting did to me) I managed to discard all the anxiety that is usually invoked by the activity of having to wait for your turn to move, instead I centered upon the direction boards and an outdoor ad, which have this particularly fitting portrait of a woman who seems to be waiting, but in an expression that is so serene. A very unique thing that I have managed to found out about traffic jams as I have 23 years of experiencing it is that, when the jam moves, the whole world moves with you, and so it gives the illusion that as you are changing, the world follows you with it, or the other way around. So this picture, at least for me, invoked a feeling that rather than rushing all the things around and being impatient, we can just be happily waiting, for the world to change.In LineThe separator line, which here is very long like a snake, in a rare moment before one of those cars would try to slip into any space that they can find, which would have ruined this kind of composition, but luckily I captured it right in that moment, and with the motorcycle in the edge acting as if it's the head of the snake. And of course, the wet asphalt and the diffracting red light of the lamps from the windscreen adds a particularly beautiful ambiance.InfiltrationSome people just can't wait, in this particular situation, the whole gap which purpose is for a safety net is being used by impatient drivers to go their way, and the effort to drive in one of those is like climbing up the mountains of troubles that is in front of you, a stark contrast to my previous photo which captures the sereneness of traffic jams, this one, just 15 minutes later, captured the hurrying folks who just can't wait.In anticipationI captured this particular frame in what is near the end of the jam, there's a crossroad ahead of this picture, an exit from the torturous hell of a journey for many, leaving them in anticipation of what's ahead, and this particular composition left me a little bit of the feeling.Three's A CompanyI was aiming for shooting the ambiance created by afternoon lights peeking through the clouds and along came these three motorcyclists. I was walking and they were moving through, and luckily my hands were fast enough to half-click the shutter and expect them to come in this formation before they all exit the junction, and their movement, and regularity were thus frozen forever in time.And my favorite amongst them allThe Daily ConfrontationI have always liked to capture the life of everyday working people, whenever I'm on the shuttlebus or just in the commuter cars seen in this picture, I've always been imagining myself capturing the moment, to spill it out later when I have the time (and the urge) to work it on my canvas. 5 years later, when my brush is all dry and I still can't bring myself to take all those toxic paints into my small habitat, I finally got myself a camera, and when I brought it to this trip here, I was blessed with my favorite lighting. The contrast and bluish hue brought in by the foggy sky and the reflecting surfaces made by rain water just after a rain is just beautiful and within this perfect environment, I found this gem.all except for the \"Three's A Company\" were shot from inside a shuttlebus, and I was lucky enough to have the front seat available and yes the distortions which came from the wet windscreen are particularly pleasing for me. I tried to as much as possible to shoot at aperture wide open and minimal zoom, to maximize my camera's potential, since it doesn't have a fancy APS-C sized sensor. I still don't know which's the better photographer in here, the camera, or me, but we should learn to know in the next month or so:).", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.99550848Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-08-09T20:22:23+0100", "id": "25713128d40637b308b0f17ced5ff481", "post_id": "post-251173", "text": "NASA:MEDIA ADVISORY : M11-166 - NASA Offers Media Access To Mars-Bound Rover On Aug. 12", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.785193984Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-28T20:03:10+0100", "id": "a97de6fa4645ea7b71edfedb8a4d9ebf", "post_id": "post-219324", "text": "Don't use TransX. use Orbit MFD and map MFD for the first step and lower the orbit OPPOSITE of the landing site, so the new periapsis is directly above the landing site and in 14 km altitude. Then, check the time to PDI and when the countdown is low enough, activate PDI and let the autopilot do its duty.Maybe you can pre-calculate the burn with transX (I am no TransX expert), but IMFD can do that.", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.553857536Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-12-11T19:50:01+0000", "id": "25f947e79440c8120640c52f96727668", "post_id": "post-220290", "text": "SSTO discussion continued on fromherein the Falcon 9 Flight 3 updates thread.The only reason SSTO was even considered is because people thought it would make for a more completely and rapidly reusable launcher. If SpaceX can pull that off with two stages (or 2.75 stages, with Falcon Heavy), SSTO is unnecessary.\n\nIt doesn't mean SSTO is 'unecessary'. The existence of fixed-wing aircraft doesn't negate the purpose of helicopters for example.The advantages to SSTO exist and will exist if and when SpaceX or whoever else achieves successful reusability with a TSTO.The problem is that these advantages are intrinsically linked to the set of disadvantages that make SSTOs unattractive, which have been discussed at length here and elsewhere.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.020661504Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-10-09T17:45:37+0100", "id": "71224af3e5543daeb7f8fa61aa6c42e9", "post_id": "post-251197", "text": "Universe Today:Assembling Curiosity\u2019s Rocket to Mars", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.472052224Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-04-29T23:48:33+0100", "id": "38198d9894e087885d619c9fe51dbcb7", "post_id": "post-219919", "text": "united states is too unimaginative and uncool to release something so progressive and unfailiar:rolleyes:", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57186048Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2013-11-20T21:38:04+0000", "id": "bbe135f2b29fa5da046895b19582c739", "post_id": "post-220478", "text": "Except that you seem to be saying that early quality problems should go undressed in the interests of building a sufficient dataset. By that reasoning there is realistic distinction between early quality problems and real operational problems. They are one and the same.As I stated before, because each rocket is a one-off, each rocket is effectively a prototype of the next. Requiring that a production model be exactly like it's prototype, warts and all, defeats the whole purpose of prototyping in the first place.as for the latter part.In a a fixed cost or managed service contract environment your first and last priority is always CYA. As such there is very strong incentive against change or trying anything that hasn't already been tried. Spaceflight is a high risk endevour dominated by such contracts so this is exactly whet we see.If we assume that Musk is serious when he says that SpaceX's objective is \"to open the frontier\" It is in SpaceX's best interest to be only as cautious as is required to keep insurance adjusters happy, AKA what they have been doing. Over-caution slows development and comes with severe performance penalties.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.115622144Z", "author": "Jacko13", "date": "2010-08-30T23:27:57+0100", "id": "16e5cf5e6010aff4573a4808ce981008", "post_id": "post-252257", "text": "Ok I found some files that looked important. Here goes nothin:Dragonfly.cfg (saved as .txt)View attachment Dragonfly.txtDragonfly.bmpView attachment Dragonfly.bmpFlightData.log (it says TUG-01, which is the vessel name in the scenarios)View attachment FlightData.logOh here's these:Any significant files missing?I know the way I posted these is probably frowned upon by the orbiter community...so I don't really want any crap about it. It was just easier...:dry:", "thread_id": 16272 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560951808Z", "author": "Matrix Aran", "date": "2012-06-02T17:56:37+0100", "id": "a31a4e5331562b1e372ed42f372fc41a", "post_id": "post-220377", "text": "Wouldn't this all be better achieved by a purpose built earth-moon \"ferry\", with cheap capsules to ferry crew back and forth to such a vessel? Without the mostly dead weight of a heat shield, and all the cacophony of other systems a SSTO would require?I have to say, it seems like trying to use an SSTO for such a mission seems like an effort to take a square peg and hammer it into a small round hole.P.S. I forgot to mention, you still haven't answered my question on how you would get the fuel to refuel any ship up into orbit in the first place.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65168Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-12T00:57:42+0100", "id": "5e3129d6c080682d3341c65e1e8695c7", "post_id": "post-221045", "text": "Alexw95 said:yes for sure dgiv panel = to complex lets not go higher than amso or the stock dg panel if we are going to make somthing\n\nWell, I wouldn't say the DG-IV panel is too complex, but I agree. Orbiter is complex enough for most people to handle. I for one don't want special training to fly a mission, especially if I fly more than one. Also, as Urwumpe said it adds too much complexity and time to the development process.I'm still working on a preliminary manual, but I have a few questions\/propositions:1. The OSHV is already decided upon, but what about the primary truss and service module? Communications?I suggest a second major vehicle, which is a combination of those three things, launched by the same vehicle (the Ares V in this case) as the OSHV, as a separate launch.2. Launch vehicles? I can't imagine we're going to use a pile of Ares Vs for one mission. The Ares I and Space Shuttle might be helpful (see below.)3. Crew? I was thinking an initial crew of no larger than 10, and optimally 8.PRELIMINARY LAUNCH SCHEDULE (Rough overview):Please tell me what you would have changed. I don't expect this will be finalised in even 10 versions.Launch 1: Ares V - OSHVLaunch 2 - Ares V - SSCM (Service Structure and Communication Module)Launch 3 - Ares I\/Orion CTV - Expedition A (4 astronauts)- Activation and shakedown of OSHV- Manual rendezvous with SSCMLaunch 4 - Ares I - Mission Package 1A - Cargo\/supplies needed for trip,and the SMEVLaunch 5 - Ares V - NERVA-2 IDMSLaunch 6 - STS - Expedition B (8 astronauts - 4 transfer to OSHV)- Mission Package 1B - Further cargo, Skycrane systemAgain, please assist me with improving this.Further requests:Could I get any extra information from Bj or Columbia42 regarding the OSHV? Mass, dimensions, shape, anything?Ashaman what is the mass of your refinery?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.756621568Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-04-27T19:51:50+0100", "id": "de57ab76815c56fb7b75758c17739042", "post_id": "post-251359", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:100 Days and Counting to NASA's Curiosity Mars Rover LandingApril 27, 2012At 10:31 p.m. PDT today, April 27, (1:31 p.m. EDT), NASA's Mars Science Laboratory, carrying the one-ton Curiosity rover, will be within 100 days from its appointment with the Martian surface. At that moment, the mission has about 119 million miles (191 million kilometers) to go and is closing at a speed of 13,000 mph (21,000 kilometers per hour).\"Every day is one day closer to the most challenging part of this mission,\" said Pete Theisinger, Mars Science Laboratory project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. \"Landing an SUV-sized vehicle next to the side of a mountain 85 million miles from home is always stimulating. Our engineering and science teams continue their preparations for that big day and the surface operations to follow.\"On Sunday, April 22, a week-long operational readiness test concluded at JPL. The test simulated aspects of the mission's early surface operations. Mission planners and engineers sent some of the same commands they will send to the real Curiosity rover on the surface of Mars to a test rover used at JPL.\"Our test rover has a central computer identical to Curiosity's currently on its way to Mars,\" said Eric Aguilar, the mission's engineering test lead at JPL. \"We ran all our commands through it and watched to make sure it drove, took pictures and collected samples as expected by the mission planners. It was a great test and gave us a lot of confidence moving forward.\"{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.562362112Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-06-05T15:17:56+0100", "id": "59a95953004ba51d08a8400b7549687a", "post_id": "post-220398", "text": "RGClark said:Do you have reference for the refueling time for the ISS?Bob Clark\n\n\"Soyuz - A Universal Spacecraft\", it explains the tanking system for the Russian space stations since Salyut 6, including the ISS.Don't have the book at hand here for exact numbers, but the process is described with some diagrams and explanations.EDIT: The actual transfer of 815 kg from one ATV to the ISS took 30 minutes according to ESA, but that isn't the full procedure. It involved pressurizing and depressurizing tank pairs, pumping nitrogen from tank bladder to storage tanks, etc. The fuel does not get in contact with any mechanical parts except valves.EDIT2: And the process is of course fully automatised and controlled from the ground, it is done without any astronaut involvement.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652986112Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-06-12T20:37:17+0100", "id": "f82dc347dfdfd223ebee95180c64278f", "post_id": "post-221059", "text": "Well now that we have most of the technical ways to get to mars and the surface. I must ask. What are we gonna do(Aside mine for fuel for the return trip?).I think the majority of us agree we should Land near Viking, Pathfinder or the MER rovers.The real question is. Are we gonna have to drive there? Walk, Hitchhike or are we gonna have some sort of aircraft so we can explore all of Mars? Maybe some sort of Martian rover?Next the Stacks orbit.Call me Crazy but the way most people talk about its final orbit is circular. When it comes to saving fuel I vote for a highly eccentric elliptical orbit. One that would also a few times provide flybys the Martian moons. It should save fuel on MOI and if it were a real mission provide opportunity to study Mars Surface and its moons. Which are pretty much asteroids.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.040323584Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2014-02-15T11:42:03+0000", "id": "a6a30667a92956a09e7223556deac669", "post_id": "post-252167", "text": "Looks like it simply drove over a too pointy rock too much.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660448Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-03T23:48:58+0100", "id": "dd848c42fad0635731925a114594bcc2", "post_id": "post-220604", "text": "Nah, they wouldn'treallybe RCS thrusters... I'm just saying that they would probably behave like them.And you're 100% correct in saying this thing would go nowhere fast. In the book they used them to wander around and seed these little windmill heater things.I had a fleeting thought of it working like a UGCO car, only with the mesh at 400-500 meters, it could just kind of wander around aimlessly.I'm not sure flying one around would be much fun, but it'd give some dynamic to the scenery off on it's own.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902458624Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-29T11:59:57+0100", "id": "9fb0a5ceef9268051efdf8b237203c5b", "post_id": "post-219472", "text": "I agree- tensionary designs have many advantages.A spacecraft is often a truss with stuff stuck to it, because this is an efficient way of doing things. Launch vehicles, for example, use their fuel tanks (roughly) as the supporting structure. But if your fuel tanks are small, or you have to be far away from the engine, or you don't have any engine, then that role is taken up by a truss.You don't need external plating or wings or whatnot, like a Star Trek ship. You just don't need them there. Sure, if your craft is fly through an atmosphere, it's going to look more like an aircraft, but it doesn't have to (Soyuz capsules, MER aeroshells for example).I can see cislunar \"yachts\" being \"sleek\", but I still don't see them looking like airplanes... because they won'tbeairplanes.:rolleyes:Star Trek spacecraft don't even fly like spacecraft, so one should not take design tips from them...", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.109565184Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-30T09:50:42+0100", "id": "086114e477ed1d5d72af0db5b0b66862", "post_id": "post-252247", "text": "There's a very old, very difficult space station building game called SpaceMAX, I remember it having a whole chapter on that topic in the manual. The game should be well available as abandonware by now, maybe that Manual could help...", "thread_id": 16271 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660755968Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T00:55:32+0100", "id": "640ab94aa1762eafead45c903acf5dbb", "post_id": "post-220607", "text": "I say we should use a stack, but perhaps not launch and assemble the whole thing in orbit ourselves. If we did that, it would be like another OFSS, and would take longer than the Mars voyage itself. Instead, maybe 'start' with it already partially built, or even just use a preexisting vessel, like the Mars 1994 addon or, as Phantomcruiser mentioned the James Cook.Essentially, \"let's not and say we did.\"Also, Ark has a valid point. If more than one or two people are going to have fun, there should be more than one flight. The first JC (if we use that) could bring parts for a station in orbit (then we can still have orbital construction involved), as it's one thing togoto Mars and quite another to actuallylandon it. Once we have that foothold, it will be a whole lot easier to bring in supplies (the larger ships can ferry supplies to the station, and smaller landers can bring them down. I don't like the idea of landing and launching an Arrow or XR-5 every time we need supplies, for fuel cost reasons.)Then come the first landings, first surface base, and then the polar outposts, balloons, science experiments, et cetera.That's just my two cents. :tiphat:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902981376Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-29T21:22:26+0100", "id": "46b1a84dc2441da5aecaf10bfbd75f59", "post_id": "post-219480", "text": "If the angle allows the actual exhaust stream to avoid the rest of the spacecraft, then that should not be a problem.The problem then would be the light emitted by the exhaust stream as it passes the rest of the spacecraft structure. Calculations would have to be done to see if this poses any real threat.\n\nI was actually thinking about the em radiation. if the actual particle stream would hit any part of the ship, no shield in the world could protect it at that short distance.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.979646464Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-08-08T20:08:19+0100", "id": "2d830b72bad903f28c0cac13fa68b837", "post_id": "post-251777", "text": "Wow, the resolution is just amazing!!!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.087156736Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-04-23T02:56:37+0100", "id": "fd94a9572e3f3d0b7f4fc53e1238e064", "post_id": "post-219565", "text": "Well, learn something new every day. And your homemade IR camera is very impressive. Do we get to see what it looks like? Did you build the whole body or just use an existing unit with your new innards?", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.854353664Z", "author": "to be", "date": "2008-05-11T04:38:53+0100", "id": "27edd601bd68581ff756bacf99698f0d", "post_id": "post-65178", "text": "You really don't need to use IMFD to launch to the moon. Since the moon is so far out, it moves very slowly with respect to something in low earth orbit, and you just need to get on the right inclination and LAN. That said, I don't see why you couldn't use IMFD, it is just overkill, something like Launch MFD, or even map MFD will easily do it for you.", "thread_id": 1402 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.52084096Z", "author": "orbitingpluto", "date": "2010-09-03T06:02:38+0100", "id": "c63f78c18388e4e6a22dcbaa47eb06cb", "post_id": "post-252777", "text": "You know, I was thinking of starting a Orbiter-Forum Mission to Mercury...Or maybe a Orbiter-Forum Mission to Mimas...:rofl:", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.093729024Z", "author": "Eccentrus", "date": "2015-01-09T01:49:32+0000", "id": "466cc2e008a9b63885b713a15009f620", "post_id": "post-219617", "text": "That last one andy, was that on a kodak tmax? I have recently acquired 2 rolls of its 135 cut, am waiting for a vacation or event to try and burn that roll inside my canonet's q17-3 chamber.Btw all my smartphone's cam use is left to photographing patient's data from the hospital's central computer because the bureaucrats here are too lazy to repair their printer or to put in proper internet connection :lol:---------- Post added at 08:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:40 AM ----------Unstung said:There is definitely a place for DSLRs, but most people don't require that kind of performance.\n\nIndeed, for most applications even the middle tier dslrs are overkill, not to mention that they are cheaply built! Large sensor advanced compacts are generally so well made these days I always recommend them to friends and families who are starting their forray into photography, these will serve them well for a considerable time and more portable in every way imaginable and they will carry it more. Although admittedly toddlers are still fooling the hell out of cdaf cams lol.For what I use, the classic fuji x100 fulfill my digital photography needs adequately and some. I just need to have the teleconverter for closer portraits and thinner dof and I'll be done. Then plus size of large sensors in this size is that because we all carry tablets and iPads these days, these type of compacts still fit snuggly into the side pouch together.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.60993536Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T19:15:08+0100", "id": "bb7530242d1376f04b740d5be41a4016", "post_id": "post-220534", "text": "supersonic said:Anyone mind if I start a social group?\n\nNot if you don't mind me joining.I can only agree, before you start things, have at least one part of the program planned. Not from beginning to end, but maybe plan the whole mars mission in episodes, and start each episode with a complete mission manifest, telling which launch will go where.If I would be permitted to be visionary: It would be much more fun, if once the episodes start to be played, all players that take part are represented in the scenario as UMMU astronauts, and the current state emailed around, as PBEM. So, any player could have his chance of \"landing\" on mars.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.632948992Z", "author": "Mantis", "date": "2010-09-03T12:40:12+0100", "id": "f164abcab4101f04838d47c01bf19440", "post_id": "post-253020", "text": "They were all pretty good but sadly none of them work with Orbiter 2010.", "thread_id": 16342 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902223616Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-29T01:25:08+0100", "id": "c50b1d0eab7dcfa453c567c2e9b983a5", "post_id": "post-219469", "text": "I'm just postulating here, but wouldn't a pyramid also be an effective shape for a spacecraft? Say...four main engines on the four corners of the base of a rectangular pyramid? You could then have propellant mass 'inside' the shape, and attach hab modules and whatnot to the outer edges (distributed correctly for balance, of course)?Or for a nuclear-powered craft, have one longer hab module at the 'point' of the structure?I just came up with that on the spot...feel free to blow me out of the water. I have my life-vest ready. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.446287104Z", "author": "Bill LeClere", "date": "2010-04-29T16:21:12+0100", "id": "bc10cb8728d431ac4d43e3b8a03ec635", "post_id": "post-219865", "text": "Anyone got a shovel?", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.639574272Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-03T14:04:19+0100", "id": "145ff314c02b12caa871b8c078faa8e6", "post_id": "post-253046", "text": "Here's some more articles about this:NASA: \"NASA Selects Investigations For First Mission To Encounter The Sun\".SwRI energetic particle instruments selected for Solar Probe Plus mission.Space Daily: \"Solar Probe Plus To Plunge Directly Into Sun's Atmosphere\".SPACE.com: \"NASA Aims to Plunge Car-Sized Probe Into the Sun\".", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.614834944Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-07T16:42:27+0100", "id": "896307d76841b3ace563cf7f4f3e7020", "post_id": "post-220735", "text": "Well, if I could just state my wishes:The mars spacecraft should be modular, but should not require at the same time excessive LEO assembly phases. More than 4 modules per mars transfer would be painful.Dilemma:I would like the technology to be closer to todays reality, but I can see that this would also prevent many less than advanced players from taking part. So, I would suggest that a DG-Tech Mars vehicle would be better. A NERVA looks good, but is maybe already too hard for some.A program patch would be nice, but is currently the most useless thing in the queue. We need to get things started so the program is running, and then, when all the dangerous decisions are behind us, we can talk again about the decorations.Instead of many people talking endlessly against each other, there should be a direction. So, let me suggest a very simple method of making sure work gets done, instead of just talking about it: Delegate responsibility. We have heard enough opinions now, and I think we all agree that this is a great forum project. Now, the talking can cease, and the metal has to be cut.Before we decide on which vehicle we use, we should know what the vehicle(s) will transport. Thus, I think the task for the weekend should be: \"Plan how the first Mars expedition should look like, how many consumables they need to survive there, and how it can get transported\". This includes making suggestions how the mars base will look like in the first 18 months or how it evolves in that time.Remember: There will be a few weeks of an open launch window on Mars, that permits us to transport material there and let spacecraft directly fly back to Earth before the return window closes for 18 months. After it closes, the permanent expedition crew that is left on Mars will have to survive on what is on Mars, no resupplies possible. And I am sure, we want to call such a thing a base and not a tent city for some days before all go away for months.I am also sure, we don't want to fast forward until the Earth-Mars window opens again. So, we need so meaningful missions on Earth and Mars that fill the gap.We also need to decide first, how the crew gets to Mars and how they leave it: On the same vehicle as they used for landing (Apollo like) or use a Earth Return Vehicle (Like Mars Direct)? Swap spacecraft or not? Mars Orbit Rendezvous?For not loosing the paperwork in Forum&Social Groups, let me suggest (like always) to use OrbiterWiki for gathering the important information. I would say it is the best tool for the documentation job.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.472824576Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-04-30T06:19:49+0100", "id": "2d3e23579a6792cf5297d301172fb350", "post_id": "post-219925", "text": "yeah, or i think it would be really cool if they were hand etched to look old fashioned, like the big panorama on the 2 dollar bill. kind of a dramatic baroque scene with interesting faces and expressions, but of mission control", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.664882944Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-03T21:19:44+0100", "id": "f781de6527bd0ebf23d68711333c658f", "post_id": "post-253111", "text": "In the state where things are, I'm more concerned by the HLV than by the capsule... The Pad 39B is still in one piece...", "thread_id": 16349 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.619616256Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-10T01:27:31+0100", "id": "c460b91a8b3d131b81e6b9d0b4c6d918", "post_id": "post-220780", "text": "Columbia42 said:Great ideas about the mining.As for the recovery of rovers, isn't the Spirit rover broken or stuck or something? Maybe we could fix that.\n\nIf someone could mesh it, then write a .dll that would allow it to be broken and 'fixable' then sure.:)Unless just going near a static mesh will constitute as 'fixed' then that works too.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.529214464Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-06-22T21:47:29+0100", "id": "fd7a1654850def83a7e20e99aefa4eb1", "post_id": "post-220072", "text": "I tried that. The problem is, that the Progress is 7 tons. The Shuttles is about 110 tons. The dV of a Progress, even fueled at 100%, is insufficient to deorbit the Shuttle.I loaded a Star48 SRM in STS132. This thing had enough power to deorbit the Shuttle, it worked. And I've read that some Shuttle satellite deployement missions carried this kind of engines (to send the sat on the wanted orbit).", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.87038848Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-06T06:31:53+0100", "id": "ba157c13b3e8724ee1b554cb20c2b050", "post_id": "post-251585", "text": "Standing by for skycrane. Catch me when I faint.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65709568Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T21:30:32+0100", "id": "9fb65ea106d47b680daf43cd78cc8a76", "post_id": "post-220567", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:Here's some ideas for landing sites.Columbia Hills and Spirit landingsite for MER-2003Ausonia MensaThere is always Olympus... I'd assume we'd get rid of the default Olympus base?\n\nIf we land there then yes, it would be easier to land somewhere else though :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.549316864Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-01T23:12:07+0100", "id": "a706c4fefd795a85c80bacae129c82f6", "post_id": "post-220080", "text": "Additionally: any staging system also means a mass penalty. It is not much mass, but small masses sum up to big mass increases in your design - see the Ares family as example, that not only American women quickly gain weight.And staging looks bad on a SSTO.;)The engines of the Atlas also had not been little mass - if I remember correctly, they reduced the structural mass by 40%.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.023892736Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2013-09-22T10:30:07+0100", "id": "26b3ab8d706507600ef4ca970e0af7f2", "post_id": "post-252104", "text": "JPL: \"NASA Curiosity Rover Detects No Methane on Mars\"The roving laboratory performed extensive tests to search for traces of Martian methane. Whether the Martian atmosphere contains traces of the gas has been a question of high interest for years because methane could be a potential sign of life, although it also can be produced without biology.\"This important result will help direct our efforts to examine the possibility of life on Mars,\" said Michael Meyer, NASA's lead scientist for Mars exploration. \"It reduces the probability of current methane-producing Martian microbes, but this addresses only one type of microbial metabolism. As we know, there are many types of terrestrial microbes that don't generate methane.\"Curiosity analyzed samples of the Martian atmosphere for methane six times from October 2012 through June and detected none. Given the sensitivity of the instrument used, the Tunable Laser Spectrometer, and not detecting the gas, scientists calculate the amount of methane in the Martian atmosphere today must be no more than 1.3 parts per billion. That is about one-sixth as much as some earlier estimates. Details of the findings appear in the Thursday edition of Science Express.[...]\n\nUniverse Today: \"Curiosity Rover Finds No Methane On Mars. What\u2019s Happening?\"This image shows concentrations of Methane reported on Mars in 2009, from an Earth-based observatory. Credit: NASA\u200bSPACE.com: \"Mars Mystery Deepens: Curiosity Rover Finds No Sign of Methane\"", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.075778816Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-06-19T22:36:33+0100", "id": "90a50646ab2584fdf443b5439110278d", "post_id": "post-219502", "text": "Okay, now that I've got some prints scanned in using my junky Lexmark scanner, I can try to show off a little. These photos were mostly shot in the Washington DC area, many on the Metro train or in the stations. Some were shot in Alexandria, VA, or in Philadelphia, PA. All were shot using 35 mm film and were processed by me in a traditional darkroom. The colored prints are actually black and white photos processed in lith developer, which turns the paper a pinkish-brown color and also gives it that surreal effect.Lately I've been messing around with abstraction. Being near cities and having a 35mm camera lends itself well to this. Wandering the city and subway at night alone, watching humans in their natural environment...", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613042432Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-06T23:17:30+0100", "id": "c1be444160d76c46ef6978320c0b82c2", "post_id": "post-220722", "text": "Izack said:The Moon?\n\nThen that only leaves option 1. :thumbup:Ashaman42 said:I meant more about changing the actual miner mesh, for the output I was just planning on having the miner(fueler) output DanSteph's standard space fuel cargo (pretty sure this is ok but will check first).However this will mean that the rock miner and fuel miner will look the same, though I guess we'll be able to identify which is which based on the kind of cargo stacking up near it.\n\nHmm, well I'm OK with it either way, but might the fuel cargo from UCGO be too small? 1048kg of fuel per cargo container is a lot, but the Arrows tanks carry 800,750kg and the DGIV carries 9600kg. Only 9 cargo tanks for DG, but ~800 for Arrow... Maybe it would be better for larger drums for the Arrow.So the drum would take like 15 minutes to create in Orbiter time and a different miner would take 30 sec to make UCGO fuel cargo. Or something similar. Whats everyone else think? I think waiting for 800x fuel to spawn would be way too long and tiresome.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.044431872Z", "author": "Evil_Onyx", "date": "2016-10-15T22:59:05+0100", "id": "de3f0da6903ae85ee37c373943b891ed", "post_id": "post-252199", "text": "Well as I cant find a thread for Opportunity and it still trudging on.NASA's Opportunity Rover to Explore Mars GullyNASA's Opportunity Mars rover will drive down a gully carved long ago by a fluid that might have been water, according to the latest plans for the 12-year-old mission. No Mars rover has done that before.The longest-active rover on Mars also will, for the first time, visit the interior of the crater it has worked beside for the last five years. These activities are part of a two-year extended mission that began Oct. 1, the newest in a series of extensions going back to the end of Opportunity's prime mission in April 2004.\n\nThe rover team will face challenges keeping Opportunity active for another two years. Most mechanisms onboard still function well, but motors and other components have far exceeded their life expectancy. Opportunity's twin, Spirit, lost use of two of its six wheels before succumbing to the cold of its fourth Martian winter in 2010. Opportunity will face its eighth Martian winter in 2017. Use of Opportunity's non-volatile \"flash\" memory for holding data overnight was discontinued last year, so results of each day's observations and measurements must be transmitted that day or lost.\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586692608Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-09-17T15:39:07+0100", "id": "348d300aaf5991897a2f87e47bbbb7a0", "post_id": "post-220251", "text": "I can't speak for what amount of vehicle mass the thrust structure makes up (I haven't a clue what percentage it is), but it would make sense for it to be quite heavy.Engines, however, are easier to compare as their masses as individual items are usually available. Let's compare a few stages, using data on Encyclopedia Astronautica:S-IC:Unfuelled mass: 135 218 kgF-1 engine mass: 8 391 kgEngines as percentage of total dry mass: ~31%Delta CBC:Unfuelled mass: 26 760 kgRS-68 engine mass: 6 597 kgEngines as percentage of total dry mass: ~25%Atlas CCB:Unfuelled mass: 22 461 kgRD-180 engine mass: 5 480 kgEngines as percentage of total dry mass: ~24%As you reduce tank mass (for example by moving to a pressure supported structure), engine mass becomes more and more of the mass of the vehicle. And while you can only reduce tank mass so much, you cannot really reduce engine mass, because lighter engines will be under more intensive engineering demands and will therefore be:- Less reliable.- More expensive.- Increasingly difficult to reuse.In short, you just have to live with engine mass.Because engines are so heavy and high levels of thrust are not needed late in ascent, this makes jettisoning engines and uneeded support structure attractive.If Astronautix is to be believed, the Atlas D 'booster stage' accounted for over 50% of the dry mass of the Atlas D vehicle!But there is absolutely NO advantage in expendable SSTOs.\n\nAgreed. NONE whatsoever, the extra cost and reliability issues of the seperation system are by far a better option than having to deal with the physical disadvantages of an SSTO.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6146112Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-05-07T06:17:09+0100", "id": "d64f46b85d92c1a922492e136fb75300", "post_id": "post-220733", "text": "Bj said:Hmm, well I'm OK with it either way, but might the fuel cargo from UCGO be too small? 1048kg of fuel per cargo container is a lot, but the Arrows tanks carry 800,750kg and the DGIV carries 9600kg. Only 9 cargo tanks for DG, but ~800 for Arrow... Maybe it would be better for larger drums for the Arrow.So the drum would take like 15 minutes to create in Orbiter time and a different miner would take 30 sec to make UCGO fuel cargo. Or something similar. Whats everyone else think? I think waiting for 800x fuel to spawn would be way too long and tiresome.\n\nI can make a larger fuel cargo easily enough, will have a look at the weekend, how big should we go? Both size and mass -wise. Not sure what our lifting capacity from Mar to orbit will be.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.41837312Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2011-01-21T23:13:48+0000", "id": "a4adda3a9b19f597f854aa740061bc87", "post_id": "post-252489", "text": "Hi,just a little update, now available on OrbitHangar.Includes auto-attitude modes (set mathematically by the sail module):max-prograde accel, max-retrograde accel, hold flux-relative attitude, hold velocity-relative attitude, \"escape\" strategy.Also, parameters such as sail area, sail albedo, paddle area, etc. can be set in the .cfg file.See Doc for more details.*******************The \"Escape Strategy\" mode works OK, but certainly not optimal.I never could figure out a \"Capture Strategy\" mode - it all depends how you are approaching the planet.I managed to get to Mars from Earth in about 1 year, then spent 1.5 years chasing it around trying to get into a lower orbit(not so easy) ;-)Max. velocity after 0.2 AU pass of the Sun, 130km\/s !Cheers,Brian", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.821320192Z", "author": "eveningsky339", "date": "2010-04-28T14:47:05+0100", "id": "74dad28aee6a2c937e54ad9a07a6190a", "post_id": "post-219398", "text": "Well, really, no one can know the motives of an interstellar alien race. They are, after all,alien. Hawking has a point, humans haven't exactly been good examples when it comes to \"meeting the natives,\" but aliens aren't humans.Perhaps an alien ship has come and visited earth only to take pictures of feet, because pictures of feet are the highest form of art... and then they went home and worshiped our feet. It's absolutely absurd, yet entirely plausible.Then comes the issue of whether aliensalreadyhave visited. I haven't made my mind up one way or the other; so-called cases of \"alien abduction\" range in credibility from obvious psychosis to disturbingly believable. (The latter category generally includes some sort of \"physical evidence\" that aliens performed experiments, etc.)", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.783826944Z", "author": "FordPrefect", "date": "2010-04-26T08:08:50+0100", "id": "2c8793c811ba6613ddc85a0735cb5b72", "post_id": "post-219316", "text": "Step 13 sure sounds like AMSO. You may want to read the \"Apollo Powered Descent Guidance.doc\" along the \"AMSO-User-manual.pdf\", both of them can be found in your YourMainOrbiterDirectory\\Doc\\AMSO folder.Additionally, you may have a look athttp:\/\/history.nasa.gov\/ap11fj\/andhttp:\/\/www.hq.nasa.gov\/alsj\/frame.html. Tons of information available there.", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.42330112Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-08-31T18:23:12+0100", "id": "f2a5fcd12a82a0fb72238ab4811dccfb", "post_id": "post-252499", "text": "are you using aerobrake MFD?you should be able to check your \"arrival\" velocity and ajust your angle apropriately.... i think :hmm:", "thread_id": 16302 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.077138432Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-03T15:51:15+0100", "id": "65526b641adf0c06967b2ba331f5f8be", "post_id": "post-219508", "text": "I don't even have a camera with removable lenses, though I'm watching the mirrorless interchangable lens market with interest, should one of my kids happen to accidentally drop my old Kodak compact :lol:\n\nYeah, if I was in the market for new digital gear, those ILC's look pretty nice. I wonder why a DSLR has to be so big? A film SLR has mirrors and prisms in it, and they aren't so thick.If Fujifilm makes one I would be tempted. I have one of their older cameras, and while it lack resolution at 6 MP, the CCD electronics in it gets amazing saturated color. I have been unable to reproduce those vivid colors using various brands of color film.But if I'm going to blow money on another camera, it will probably be a vintage twin-lens reflex...Something like this:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.821531648Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-04-28T16:49:07+0100", "id": "f028c5dbaa005f929642eba669da01cb", "post_id": "post-219401", "text": "Did anybody notice similarities between this thread (Human vs Aliens) and the \"Human vs God\" one?", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.606344448Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-03T03:14:54+0100", "id": "5527c173b2a8a87d63ada30065768546", "post_id": "post-252940", "text": "Slice N Splice said:All the deep space traveling ships look the same in my opinion.They are all long and thin and look the same.\n\nForm follows function.;)", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.618584064Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-10T00:00:09+0100", "id": "b7898717e9bffcef5f2fa085a3a4b13e", "post_id": "post-220773", "text": "Things we need dev...Alright, continuing from the last long post, we need a few things developed before we can leave LEO.1.Ashaman, do you think you can integrate your GDI MkI Miner with my soon to be finished program?Basically, I want the miner to its location with available resource deposits and only produce material if it is over a resource deposit. Integration should be simple I think, any chance of working on it?2.Next we need either static or deployable cargos textured and\/or meshed for the many various material that can be mined.This is a list of the resources that might be found on other planetsLithium = 3,Beryllium = 4,Boron = 5,Carbon = 6,Sodium = 11,Magnesium = 12,Aluminium = 13,Silicon = 14,Phosphorus = 15,Sulfur = 16,Potassium = 19,Calcium = 20,Scandium = 21,Titanium = 22,Vanadium = 23,Chromium = 24,Manganese = 25,Iron = 26,Cobalt = 27,Nickel = 28,Copper = 29,zinc = 30,Gallium = 31,Germanium = 32,Arsenic = 33,Selenium = 34,Bromine = 35,Rubidium = 37,Strontium = 38,Yttrium = 39,Zirconium = 40,Niobium = 41,Molybdenum = 42,Technetium = 43,Ruthenium = 44,Rhodium = 45,Palladium = 46,Silver = 47,Cadmium = 48,Indium = 49,Tin = 50,Antimony = 51,Tellurium = 52,Iodine = 53,Caesium = 55,Barium = 56,Lanthanum = 57,Platinum = 78,Gold = 79,Mercury = 80,Thallium = 81,Lead = 82,Rock = 99 \/\/dubbed for useless element3.A UCGO vehicle that also will integrate into my soon to be finished program. This vehicle will need to take samples from the ground and will analyze them for traces of deposits.The vehicle would have to be made with UCGOthen integrated into this program---Other than that, as soon as we get a MSS manager, and after they design the MSS, we can start launches of parts that are already created. So far we have a volunteer for ground manager (supersonic), anyone else want to preform the other roles?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.655749632Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-14T22:38:30+0100", "id": "85b42e8256b4bf873eb3cfe011dee626", "post_id": "post-221087", "text": "Forum ChangesI've made some revisions of the OFMM subforum, so everyone please have a look. All deletions were 'soft', so anything you want back can be returned.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.870879744Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-06T06:32:36+0100", "id": "3b39d12bebbaabe02a053a32066c13d4", "post_id": "post-251588", "text": "TOUCHDOWN", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.626608896Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-13T01:49:34+0100", "id": "5d8851de578c528ff466ba9dfae98af5", "post_id": "post-220841", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:Isn't \"google\" now accepted as a verb? Actually the use of Hohmann in that context made perfect sense to me...\n\nYou know your an Orbiter fan when... :thumbup:Richy said:I like to see a trans-martian stack ejection with boosters out of earth SOI. But that's just an opinion of a spectator.;)\n\ngoing from thecurrent mss concept, (btw good job Pablo:cheers:) it would be rather difficult to start sticking SRB's onto this and boosting it, for few specific reasons;1. How do you get a fueled SRB into orbit?2. SRB has a way low Isp, 269 -means it burns through a ton of fuel much faster than a higher Isp engine would, which in this case Nerva has is ~1800. So the Nerva will get more dV per kg of propellant. More logical, I think to strap 2x Nerva together and cut burn time by half or payload by 2.Izack said::lol:Anyway...If the payload were divided among smaller craft (say, two shuttle-sized modules end to end and a pile of cargo), the mass of the heat shields (inflatable, I assume) could be greatly reduced. Of course, then we have to fuel 3-4 engines instead of one...It really depends on how fast or how efficient you want it to go.I'm just shooting ideas now, but is it possible to send less up with the crew, and Hohmann an unmanned cargo vessel over so it arrives a couple months into the mission?\n\nOk but, if you look at the parts going with the MSS...A: Habitation modules (3) (12 astronaut capacity)B: Cupola and Command CenterC: Service moduleD: Communications trussE: Generic work modules (2)F: Generic storage modules (3)G: Solar arrays (2)Everything is really important, don't you think? Well if not you can be the guy to tell the crew they don't get any solar panels or hab modules, or food or...;)Anyway, lets just pretend we get a heat shield that would cover the MSS entirely.That would lower our required DV to 4.72km\/s. (assuming aerocapture not aerobraking)That would put us up to 148,479kg (using main fuel only, no drop tanks) from a payload of 98,900kg. Which puts us up at a 49,579 increase in payload(assuming no weight added for shield).If the heat shield would weigh less than 49,579 then it might be worth it.Now going off this;http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/File:800px-ShuttleTPS2col.pngFRSI has 1.60 kg\/sq m - below 700 FLRSI has 3.98 kg\/sq m - below 1,200 FHRSI has 9.20 kg\/sq m - below 2,300 FRCC has 44.66 kg\/sq m - exceed 2,300 FI can't go much farther because I don't really know how to calculate the skin temperature of a vessel or even estimate it.Anyway, aerobraking has a big bonus. As long as it might be structurally sound it might be worth it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902697728Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-29T15:01:36+0100", "id": "3a597ebedd05a5d4229f22c402995e9a", "post_id": "post-219476", "text": "The engines are canted outwards from the spacecraft.If the angle allows the actual exhaust stream to avoid the rest of the spacecraft, then that should not be a problem.The problem then would be the light emitted by the exhaust stream as it passes the rest of the spacecraft structure. Calculations would have to be done to see if this poses any real threat.I'm sure the characteristics of the engines have an effect, too.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.977382912Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-08T04:29:27+0100", "id": "d4e4b03ebdc88f536274e912b0aa1696", "post_id": "post-251761", "text": "mohawk guy more important than the rover -http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/2012\/08\/06\/bobak-ferdowsi-nasa_n_1749652.html#slide=1339795", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652907008Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-12T18:12:57+0100", "id": "410239d045863bb27e7daee53ef65b06", "post_id": "post-221058", "text": "Columbia42 said:Oh! I didn't know that we were going to return the hab to LMO via the skycrane. I thought that was just a landing system.\n\nIt is - but it would also have a useful upwards capability, at the expense of the next cargo downward.Columbia42 said:As for returning to Earth, I think the best strategy would be to bring the hab module back to Mars orbit and use the stack that brought us to mars to return to Earth. If the NERVA 2 doesn't have enough fuel for the whole journey (TMI, MOI, TEI and course corrections), than we can send a seperate flight to Mars carrying fuel and supplies for the return trip of the crew. (This flight can be launched in the launch window previous to the one the crew are launched in).\n\nI think this is not the best strategy if you want to extend the base over time - i think it is better to let the hab stay on the surface and append the base with new landers and habitats.Just as reminder - for the way down to mars, we can slow down by aerobraking, but for the way up, we need the full dV. Landing heavy payloads is easier than bringing them back.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63361408Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T20:23:27+0100", "id": "da998879f17c809fad3ec261af4ce26a", "post_id": "post-220549", "text": "Bj said:What kind of science experiments? Maybe more something like mining resources? Somone on mars would make payloads to fit the cargo ships, and there would be ground crews on both sides, that would be hauling, storing and mining the cargo plus the pilots that it takes to transport everything.\n\nI am sure we could also get a weather station set up, maybe we could also deploy mars seismometer stations. There is no lack of something to do. The question is, how much effort do we want to put into the things.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.004720128Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-05T02:30:18+0100", "id": "0cc297729801098f7ef4b7416220faa0", "post_id": "post-251949", "text": "[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=I5b6KSTst-o\"]Curiosity Report (Oct. 4, 2012): Rover Gets Set to Scoop - YouTube[\/ame]", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.504338176Z", "author": "Eagle", "date": "2010-04-30T16:37:11+0100", "id": "9d3b6ea06085b26c6e89c062d670a5b0", "post_id": "post-220023", "text": "Its a cool little gagdet. With a few more functions than the spade the E-Tool the US uses. Also the ruler on the handle is just overkill.", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663590912Z", "author": "Dambuster", "date": "2010-05-04T16:23:38+0100", "id": "f051ba6f6bdaa996d850f11efeb33cd3", "post_id": "post-220634", "text": "I seem to recall there was a deep space vessel addon made by French developers which included maintaining the vessel with built-in astronauts during a mission. Perhaps we could have something like that here (on second thoughts, since we'll be using UMMU, it would probably require a whole new addon...).", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.013115648Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-12-05T12:53:49+0000", "id": "acf6bb6df642e20fdffeb89921958390", "post_id": "post-252044", "text": "SPACE.com:Mars Rover Curiosity Gets Mission Extension", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55557248Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-03T10:08:09+0000", "id": "a47a93c463ed499cd66cf5b4e0ef594a", "post_id": "post-220311", "text": "Pablo49 said:Oh hello thread, outsider here. Every once and again I browse this whenever I have the patience. Just thought I would mention that your posts, RGClark, come across as silly. I really don't have much applicable knowledge regarding this so I could easily believe a well written post and yet be completely wrong, but your posts clearly come across as somewhat half-baked, sensational and in complete disregard to a lot of what others say (See above, you quoted TNeo's challenge to work out exact costs etc, and the only numbers you really mentioned were 1\/10). I know you aren't trying to convince people like me who aren't knowledgeable to this, but if you can't lead a blind man, I don't think you can lead one who can see.\n\nNo offense, but I prefer to accept the opinion of the SpaceX professional engineers who have actuallydoneit.You are freely allowed to believe however it's just a coincidence SpaceX was able to cut development costs by a factor of 10 when that was their business plan all along.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.437782528Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-29T14:19:52+0100", "id": "fac71711c987edf681fb421c837da10d", "post_id": "post-219819", "text": "You can nerf the Deepstar pretty easily by editing the ini-file to give it whatever thrust you'd like to have (I actually nerfed it DOWN, to the values of a moderately possible fusion engine, and pumped the mass up to 1000 tons empty mass... makes for interesting flying).", "thread_id": 14052 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.024307712Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-09-26T20:37:58+0100", "id": "29a67915a9936cfbab2188b35030de6e", "post_id": "post-252107", "text": "NASA:Curiosity's SAM Instrument Finds Water and More in Surface SampleSept 26, 2013The first scoop of soil analyzed by the analytical suite in the belly of NASA's Curiosity rover reveals that fine materials on the surface of the planet contain several percent water by weight. The results were published today in Science as one article in a five-paper special section on the Curiosity mission.\"One of the most exciting results from this very first solid sample ingested by Curiosity is the high percentage of water in the soil,\" said Laurie Leshin, lead author of one paper and dean of the School Science at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. \"About 2 percent of the soil on the surface of Mars is made up of water, which is a great resource, and interesting scientifically.\" The sample also released significant carbon dioxide, oxygen and sulfur compounds when heated.Curiosity landed in Gale Crater on the surface of Mars on Aug. 6, 2012, charged with answering the question: \"Could Mars have once harbored life?\" To do that, Curiosity is the first rover on Mars to carry equipment for gathering and processing samples of rock and soil. One of those instruments was employed in the current research: the Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument suite, which includes a gas chromatograph, a mass spectrometer and a tunable laser spectrometer. These tools enable SAM to identify a wide range of chemical compounds and determine the ratios of different isotopes of key elements.\"This work not only demonstrates that SAM is working beautifully on Mars, but also shows how SAM fits into Curiosity's powerful and comprehensive suite of scientific instruments,\" said Paul Mahaffy, principal investigator for SAM at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. \"By combining analyses of water and other volatiles from SAM with mineralogical, chemical and geological data from Curiosity's other instruments, we have the most comprehensive information ever obtained on Martian surface fines. These data greatly advance our understanding surface processes and the action of water on Mars.\"Thirty-four researchers, all members of the Mars Science Laboratory Science Team, contributed to the paper.In this study, scientists used the rover's scoop to collect dust, dirt and finely grained soil from a sandy patch known as Rocknest. Researchers fed portions of the fifth scoop into SAM. Inside SAM, the \"fines\"\u2014the dust, dirt and fine soil\u2014were heated to 1,535 degrees F (835 C).Baking the sample also revealed a compound containing chlorine and oxygen, likely chlorate or perchlorate, previously found near the north pole on Mars. Finding such compounds at Curiosity's equatorial site suggests they could be distributed more globally. The analysis also suggests the presence of carbonate materials, which form in the presence of water.In addition to determining the amount of the major gases released, SAM also analyzed ratios of isotopes of hydrogen and carbon in the released water and carbon dioxide. Isotopes are variants of the same chemical element with different numbers of neutrons, and therefore different atomic weights. SAM found that the ratio of some isotopes in the soil is similar to the ratio found in atmospheric samples analyzed earlier, indicating that the surface soil has interacted heavily with the atmosphere.\"The isotopic ratios, including hydrogen-to-deuterium ratios and carbon isotopes, tend to support the idea that as the dust is moving around the planet, it's reacting with some of the gases from the atmosphere,\" Leshin said.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|The Sample Analysis at Mars instrument suite, prior to its installation on the Curiosity rover.Image Credit: NASA Goddard\u200b|The Sample Analysis at Mars instrument suite found water in the dust, dirt and fine soil from the Rocknest site on Mars. (This file photo shows trenches Curiosity dug in October 2012.)Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200bSAM can also search for trace levels of organic compounds. Although several simple organic compounds were detected in the experiments at Rocknest, they aren't clearly Martian in origin. Instead, it is likely that they formed during the high-temperature experiments, when the heat decomposed perchlorates in the Rocknest samples, releasing oxygen and chlorine that then reacted with terrestrial organics already present in the SAM instrument.A related paper, published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Planets, details the findings of perchlorates and other chlorine-bearing compounds in the Rocknest sample. This paper is led by Daniel Glavin, a Mars Science Laboratory Science Team member at Goddard.Glavin notes that SAM has the ability to perform another kind of experiment to address the question of whether organic molecules are present in the Martian samples. The SAM suite includes nine fluid-filled cups which hold chemicals that can react with organic molecules if present in the soil samples. \"Because these reactions occur at low temperatures, the presence of perchlorates will not inhibit the detection of Martian organic compounds,\" said Glavin.The combined results shed light on the composition of the planet's surface, while offering direction for future research.\"Mars has kind of a global layer, a layer of surface soil that has been mixed and distributed by frequent dust storms. So a scoop of this stuff is basically a microscopic Mars rock collection,\" said Leshin. \"If you mix many grains of it together, you probably have an accurate picture of typical Martian crust. By learning about it in any one place you're learning about the entire planet.\"{...}NASA JPL\/ NASA:Science Gains From Diverse Landing Area of CuriositySept 26, 2013PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Curiosity rover is revealing a great deal about Mars, from long-ago processes in its interior to the current interaction between the Martian surface and atmosphere.Examination of loose rocks, sand and dust has provided new understanding of the local and global processes on Mars. Analysis of observations and measurements by the rover's science instruments during the first four months after the August 2012 landing are detailed in five reports in the Sept. 27 edition of the journal Science.A key finding is that water molecules are bound to fine-grained soil particles, accounting for about 2 percent of the particles' weight at Gale Crater where Curiosity landed. This result has global implications, because these materials are likely distributed around the Red Planet.Curiosity also has completed the first comprehensive mineralogical analysis on another planet using a standard laboratory method for identifying minerals on Earth. The findings about both crystalline and non-crystalline components in soil provide clues to the planet's volcanic history.Information about the evolution of the Martian crust and deeper regions within the planet comes from Curiosity's mineralogical analysis of a football-size igneous rock called \"Jake M.\" Igneous rocks form by cooling molten material that originated well beneath the crust. The chemical compositions of the rocks can be used to infer the thermal, pressure and chemical conditions under which they crystallized.\"No other Martian rock is so similar to terrestrial igneous rocks,\" said Edward Stolper of the California Institute of Technology, lead author of a report about this analysis. \"This is surprising because previously studied igneous rocks from Mars differ substantially from terrestrial rocks and from Jake M.\"The other four reports include analysis of the composition and formation process of a windblown drift of sand and dust, by David Blake of NASA's Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif., and co-authors.Curiosity examined this drift, called Rocknest, with five instruments, preforming an onboard laboratory analysis of samples scooped up from the Martian surface. The drift has a complex history and includes sand particles with local origins, as well as finer particles that sample windblown Martian dust distributed regionally or even globally.{colsp=3}Click on images for details\u200b||Target: Jake Matijevic Rock\u200bThis image shows where NASA's Curiosity rover aimed two different instruments to study a rock known as \"Jake Matijevic.\"Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200b|Curiosity's First Scoop of Mars, in Vibration Movie\u200bThis video clip shows the first Martian material collected by the scoop on the robotic arm of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity, being vibrated inside the scoop after it was lifted from the ground.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200b|Curiosity's Location During First Scooping\u200bThis 360-degree scene shows the surroundings of the location where NASA's Mars rover Curiosity arrived on the 59th Martian day, or sol, of the rover's mission on Mars (Oct. 5, 2012).Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bThe rover is equipped with a laser instrument to determine material compositions from some distance away. This instrument found that the fine-particle component in the Rocknest drift matches the composition of windblown dust and contains water molecules. The rover tested 139 soil targets at Rocknest and elsewhere during the mission's first three months and detected hydrogen -- which scientists interpret as water -- every time the laser hit fine-particle material.\"The fine-grain component of the soil has a similar composition to the dust distributed all around Mars, and now we know more about its hydration and composition than ever before,\" said Pierre-Yves Meslin of the Institut de Recherche en Astrophysique et Plan\u00e9tologie in Toulouse, France, lead author of a report about the laser instrument results.A laboratory inside Curiosity used X-rays to determine the composition of Rocknest samples. This technique, discovered in 1912, is a laboratory standard for mineral identification on Earth. The equipment was miniaturized to fit on the spacecraft that carried Curiosity to Mars, and this has yielded spinoff benefits for similar portable devices used on Earth. David Bish of Indiana University in Bloomington co-authored a report about how this technique was used and its results at Rocknest.X-ray analysis not only identified 10 distinct minerals, but also found an unexpectedly large portion of the Rocknest composition is amorphous ingredients, rather than crystalline minerals. Amorphous materials, similar to glassy substances, are a component of some volcanic deposits on Earth.Another laboratory instrument identified chemicals and isotopes in gases released by heating the Rocknest soil in a tiny oven. Isotopes are variants of the same element with different atomic weights. These tests found water makes up about 2 percent of the soil, and the water molecules are bound to the amorphous materials in the soil.\"The ratio of hydrogen isotopes in water released from baked samples of Rocknest soil indicates the water molecules attached to soil particles come from interaction with the modern atmosphere,\" said Laurie Leshin of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., lead author of a report about analysis with the baking instrument.Baking and analyzing the Rocknest sample also revealed a compound with chlorine and oxygen, likely chlorate or perchlorate, which previously was known to exist on Mars only at one high-latitude site. This finding at Curiosity's equatorial site suggests more global distribution.Data obtained from Curiosity since the first four months of the rover's mission on Mars are still being analyzed. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of Caltech in Pasadena, Calif., manages the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The mission draws upon international collaboration, including key instrument contributions from Canada, Spain, Russia and France.{...}Discovery News:This Scoop of Mars Soil is Two Percent WaterWater Discovery Is Good News for Mars ColonistsPhys.org:'Jake_M': Unusual Mars rock describedMars rover Curiosity finds water in first sample of planet surfaceMartian chemical complicates hunt for life's cluesScience benefits from diverse landing area of NASA mars roverWater for future Mars astronauts? Diversity of Martian soils leaves scientists thirsty for moreScience Daily:NASA Mars Rover Curiosity Finds Water in First Sample of Planet SurfaceSpaceRef:Water for Future Mars Astronauts?Universe Today:Curiosity Discovers Patch of Pebbles Formed by Flowing Martian Water on Mount Sharp TrekThis Earth-Like Mars Rock Shows Diversity of Red Planet Geology", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.549790976Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T13:09:54+0100", "id": "3343d32851f1f8455fdce0dedca170f4", "post_id": "post-220086", "text": "Yes - some payload. Will be pretty tiny, and still you have only managed to reach orbit without returning to Earth again, which makes SSTO a pure bonus. If you can ignore the ambient pressure effects of the specific impulse, you will get just 3.24% payload mass in your 0.1 structural mass constant plan. With ambient pressure, it would even be negative.Also you need to add RCS\/OMS anyway, if you want to be able to have a accurate orbit insertion. Again, additional mass.And don't overestimate the savings in mass by leaving side-mount and SRBs away: The SRBs also provide a large amount of stability to the ET during the early maneuvers. Most heavy structure is only in the intertank structure of the ET, where the loads of the SRBs are accepted and the thrust inbalances of both SRBs negotiated.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.629880576Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-15T22:39:08+0100", "id": "a10c5d833fc67d5b603e0f2fa01cab6a", "post_id": "post-220872", "text": "Urwumpe said:Also, I think working for 15 months on Mars surface is better than waiting 15 months in Mars orbit for the next assembly stage, and watch Mars from close. Yes, I say that as role-playing game fanatic. What would be needed one day would be a fuel station in Mars orbit, that is right (Unless in-situ fails). But if you plan to assemble this one first and then from time to time do flags and footprints, you are on the road to hell. A Mars space station will need water, food and fuel, and the best place to get this would be the surface of Mars.\n\nThing is, we were going to build it in LEO, so we could move it to Mars without sucking up all of our launch window. I never implied that we would sit up on orbit and every now and again go and plant some flags. I have always seen it has having the MSS in addition to all of our ground operations. I have not seen it stated otherwise.Urwumpe said:I won't do flags and footprints, I want the full package. And I also won't do a OFSS in Mars orbit only for pleasing under-performers. I can already see Space station modules being lost in space, because people suddenly realize that they failed the Mars orbit insertion and can't correct the orbit plane. It sounds all easy if it is not you who has to do it. A mars surface base has the tiny advantage that you need to wait maximal 12 hours before you get the next chance for landing nearby.\n\nI agree, I don't want to just do flags and footprints either. Personally, I'm excited for us to go out find resources, gather them, handle the logistics and such, definitely the best part. As for missing an orbit insertion and you gave as an example: that would also include getting any ship into Mars orbit, be it MSS modules or not. Obviously people who couldn't get into the proper orbit wouldn't fly those missions. We have plenty of people wanting to fly missions, and I am sure we will find people who can fly the more advanced flights.Urwumpe said:I disagree strongly. And if you have been to Mars, did you ever try landing precisely? Or why are you talking like building a *garble* space station in Mars orbit is the best of the world? A space station can also be done ourselves individually... how impressive. Doing five Mars transfer missions in one window, while you also do surface operations, that needs workforce, because juggling five balls alone is already hard enough, than to also do this while vacuum cleaning your kitchen floor.\n\nI have been to Mars, and yes I did precision landings. I don't see why you have to doubt me without cause, I have no reason to say it if it wasnt true. I also know we can do stations individually too, and I know it is not particularly impressive. I am not talking about it like it is the best thing in the world. We do not have to have it, nor do we have to not have it. Personally, I would like to see it.Urwumpe said:What you want is not OFMM, what you want is \"OFSS:Mars edition\"\n\nAgain you seem to forget that MSS was not, nor ever was going to be the main focus of OFMM. You seem hung up on that.Either way, we are getting derailed with this. If we are to scrap the MSS, lets start really discussing the alternatives and move forward.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.930072064Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2012-08-06T08:34:44+0100", "id": "da038a794159d118ccd8f56175758794", "post_id": "post-251687", "text": "Mars Odyssey is on the sky, while Curiosity experiences her first martian sunset.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56411904Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-08-08T12:31:44+0100", "id": "19a36a17bc3495489bb10609340bd7b9", "post_id": "post-220418", "text": "Did you even try with Velcro Rockets ?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.67120768Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-06T00:51:05+0100", "id": "8514ba688b5a773b82d0da8ee76dab3f", "post_id": "post-220701", "text": "Arrowstar said:Hey guys, looking good. Just remember that you don't want to kill your project before it has started - keep the initial project goals simple and easy to achieve. Once you build up something with a bit of momentum, then start with the more ambitious tasks of making your own modules and whatnot. I worry that if it takes too long to get off the ground in Orbiter, the project will never get off the ground at all....Good luck!\n\nIf we where really to go to Mars we would need to bring the necessary stuff, otherwise that 18 month for a round trip from Arrows resupply is a long wait. Besides, I don't think its really that much work to make these few objects we need. Thankfully with the help of UCGO and SC3, this should be up and running fairly quickly. We just need a few meshes and some config's made.Izack said:Arrowstar has a point...Why just do the reskinning for the XR\/DGs and then start construction right away? As we build we can plan the actual flight. Also, just browsing through Orbithangar I've found that we already have enough stuff for a pretty interesting Mars mission.As for texturing, Orbiter uses DDS format for its vessels, right? I'm sure there's a GIMP plugin for that, if it can't do it already. I'll seeNow to bring up a little idea...I've been looking around this site for a while now, and I keep finding these old threads about a multiplayer aspect of Orbiter. If anyone remembers how to do this, is it possible to set up a dedicated realtime server? This is probablywaytoo ambitious looking at what's being said now, and perhaps also impractical for a lot of people here.\n\nOMPOMP works, though a little buggy last I knew, but the only times I can see where it would be really useful, is while loading and unloading cargo. Otherwise, its really only the pilots running at their times. In that instance, it would be extremely useful. Though I rather lack knowledge in using OMP.Wolfer said:Well I was thinking more about something likethis.\n\nMy thought exactly. Would look great for the Martian cargo lander. On a side note from that, the lander cannot be parashoot all the way, because of Mars low density air. It would require a huge parashoot to land some 30tons(ish) of cargo...prometheus is good with me too:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.930840832Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T09:11:08+0100", "id": "f013947c93ffdc8938db7f721cb9d242", "post_id": "post-251692", "text": "Cool that unmannedspaceflight.com got a couple of plugs on nasa tv!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.569003264Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-02-21T10:48:04+0000", "id": "ca84a4beb180d281197e4448483519e3", "post_id": "post-220105", "text": "You can't average just by \"trajectory\", you would need to integrate thrust force during the ascent and then divide it by the propellant mass. if you ascent slowly, and loose a lot of thrust to atmosphere (as the SSME or J2X would), you would also have a much worse \"average specific impulse\", due to the fact that most fuel is used at a time when the engine is operating less effective.A single value is purely statistical - it helps you no where, since calculating it properly means roughly simulating the trajectory, and the 425 (which are bloody close to the middle between sea-level and vacuum ISP) are not even telling you how it went up.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.559186944Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2012-01-10T21:18:27+0000", "id": "7865ac4a587adb75c56d82a2713b3c34", "post_id": "post-220356", "text": "Well, even on a working SSTO I wouldn't like to remove the heatshield from the capsule. You may still need to separate the crew compartment (capsule) from the vehicle in case of an emergency. Reusable SSTO or not, it's kinda full of kaboomish stuff you want to get away from as quickly and painlessly as possible.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.931982592Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-06-22T17:35:05+0100", "id": "e97503abb9b8d99bfc6e54cb4eac9a0b", "post_id": "post-251161", "text": "Timelapse of Curiosity being packed for transfer to Florida", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.595874048Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-01T23:28:32+0100", "id": "9e62d8f00b61de1ae13b6c5278b8300a", "post_id": "post-220506", "text": "KosmoKen said:I read he did the CIA a great disservice by not activating the plane's self destruct and not killing himself with a cyanide capsule...\n\nHello. This is the real world. Please take some time and orient yourself here. :tiphat:There was not much plane left to be self-destructed, after the SA-2 shot it down, and self-destruct devices and cyanide capsules are only standard equipment in Hollywood movies. I don't even know a single instance where such capsules got used for suicide outside Germany.I would say, from the available wreckage, that the Soviets had very much fun with the \"secret\" technology of it.;)And about the suicide option:Powers carried with him a modified silver dollar which contained a lethal, shellfish-derived saxitoxin-tipped needle, but did not use it.", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.642695424Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-25T02:59:09+0100", "id": "243dec92e6a095ee04c2dfbe4c18b30a", "post_id": "post-220963", "text": "Sorry for the delay, I am getting backed up in real life:)Notebook said:I'm no expert, but 5-12 rem\/year seems low for a Mars trip?N.\n\nI agree, I found a source:http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18139.0;attach=160906says1800 mSv over 1095 days which leaves us at 1.64 mSv \/day.Look herehttp:\/\/www.unscear.org\/docs\/reports\/gareport.pdfpg 5It says 1-10 mSv isyearlynormal. --which means 1.64 mSv\/day --600 mSv\/year (or .6 Sv\/year |60 rem\/year)Though this sitehttp:\/\/www.universetoday.com\/guide-to-space\/mars\/mars-radiation\/Says MARIE picked up average of 22 millirads per day(.022 rem\/day | 8.03 rem\/year)...but depending on solar events, up to 2,000 millirads \/day (2 rem \/day || 730\/year)since increased solar activity only happens infrequently, I would say (year);2x large radiation events5x smaller radiation events8.03 + 4 + .5 =12.5 rem \/year.PG 4 states that blood forming organs (the most limiting) - 50 rem\/year is max.I think, given that we are always exposed to radiation (though small amounts) and that there are things like solar flares and whatever that cause huge changes in the emitted radiation levels, we can have the entire habital area covered in aluminum or polyethylene, then a 'lifeboat' module covered in radiation 'tiles' similar to the Shuttles HRSI tiles.-----------OK now I am a little unsure of exactly how much radiation you will get a day in deep space, but one thing is for sure, solar events happen, even the ISS crew had to stay in more protected areas during high radiation dangers. So I think the above proposal of a high strength radiation protection module would be best used for times of high solar activity. Everyone good with this? Or maybe we just assume it is apart of the hab module (just make the hab module have a tile like texture)Just curious: anyone have any data on the MRE or MARIE measurements? I cannot find them anywhere directly.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.647788288Z", "author": "Krys", "date": "2010-09-03T22:50:15+0100", "id": "6137d4b634b32b956258964bd2bce940", "post_id": "post-253081", "text": "Welcome to O-F, welcome welcome welcome!", "thread_id": 16344 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.618667008Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-10T00:10:15+0100", "id": "60ce3ec74ca4515f6aa378992e533a10", "post_id": "post-220774", "text": "I'll sign up for the MSS manager role. I'll go and download a ton of misc. modules and whip something together later tonight or tomorrow. Personally, I like Wolfer's idea of having the populsion part of MSS break away and return to mars, leaving MSS in mars orbit. So my design will incorporate that.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.641059328Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-22T02:00:40+0100", "id": "e00cb1bf7f4c91504e9e3471b1a2e9e4", "post_id": "post-220954", "text": "A bit off topic, but just to let you folks know. Due to real life constraints I will be away from Orbiter until the end of June approximately. Hence I wont be able to really participate in the project anymore. Otherwise I hope this project succeeds and wish you all good luck:cheers:.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.729019904Z", "author": "boogabooga", "date": "2011-11-27T18:49:05+0000", "id": "36eec7bf5d1a8b2f53db5b9422b04538", "post_id": "post-251310", "text": "Keatah said:The technology to do this is decades old anyways. They did it with the Viking Lander and Phoenix.\n\nAnd Mars Polar Lander, I assume...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.821151488Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-04-28T13:47:35+0100", "id": "15a89d562049babdb0777aed5eb1ee5c", "post_id": "post-219396", "text": "Urwumpe said:And have taxes on alien spacecraft flying through human airspace.\n\n...and space-space.:)", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.518476544Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2010-05-01T11:45:27+0100", "id": "33a2170ad1ae9c666c06d29c3e4451a3", "post_id": "post-220048", "text": "ahhaha I see it on the TV last month xD", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.0219072Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-10-31T08:58:39+0000", "id": "59b23e664394a05efc9abc2dd68bb781", "post_id": "post-251205", "text": "Universe Today:Closing the Clamshell on a Martian Curiosity", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.495467264Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-04-30T06:53:02+0100", "id": "a5f6e797185623e39ca6dd08aedcf60e", "post_id": "post-220004", "text": "The functions that are called for an MFD prompt are implemented in orbiter.exe. I think the only way you could implement what you want would be to hook those functions and handle the calls in your vessel module. FWIW, cjp has done some disassembly of orbiter.exe and identified some of those functions. Details of his work can be found in [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3609\"]Free Orbit MFD 1.2[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14071 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551791104Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-09-22T21:21:41+0100", "id": "6d51d7dcb04ac437fc4badf03ae1d4f9", "post_id": "post-220270", "text": "Wasn't the DC-X a McDonnel Douglas project first? Wikipedia seems to make outherethat was transferred to NASA when it became the DC-XA.Also, an interesting excerpt from the same article:In a post-accident report, NASA's Brand Commission blamed the accident on a burnt-out field crew who had been operating under on-again\/off-again funding and constant threats of outright cancellation. The crew, many of them originally from the SDIO program, were also highly critical of NASA's \"chilling\" effect on the program, and the masses of paperwork NASA demanded as part of the testing regimen.\n\nNASA, picture of efficiency...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.676307712Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-08-02T17:43:31+0100", "id": "0573b27ec908214a3ea40f7a75ea95f7", "post_id": "post-69120", "text": "GLS said:I'm sorry to bother you again with this but wouldn't it be simpler to create the SSME, then the EIU (passing the SSME pointer from data\/cmds) and the the ATVC (passing the SSME pointer so ATVC can get the thruster handle, which would be on public access inside SSME)?\n\nNo.Allowing direct access would make transparent testing of the MPS code impossible, also, the responsibility for the thruster belongs to the Atlantis vessel class. Letting the MPS handle the creation and control the SSME thruster will not be simpler.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.61982848Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-10T02:29:15+0100", "id": "9978cfb613b9a16702bdc9c95a01effd", "post_id": "post-220782", "text": "You could graple it with a UMMU, punch in a key command and then make it so the rover can drive. Just what I think it should do.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.580224768Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-05T15:52:38+0100", "id": "0474686da30a5f453fe39a7a9d08b577", "post_id": "post-220176", "text": "Loru said:And one more thing about SSTO with current technology.Most current engines are throtable in range 70-100%. Asuuming you're using 1 stage with one set of engines (not to carry on dead mass into orbit) you encounter more problem:During lift-off you need a big thrust to weight ratio to overcome gravity and clear the atmosphere.This high thrust gives you a problem in latest stage of boost phase. Engine - that has to work with at least 70% of it's nominal thrust, will create so much acceleration that many components (human crew included) may not survive boost phase.Let's do the numbers.As the example I'm using first stage of my ETS launch vehicle which has powerfull 1st stage(current configuration):Code:Themis LV Stage I\n\nstructural mass + engine 30 000 kg \nRP1\/LOX Isp 309 400 000 kg \n 430 000 kg total\nEngine:\n1 x RD-180: 3.83 MN at sea levelLet's add typical Soyuz spacecraft as payload: 7000kgAt full thrust rocket is incapable of launching:T\/W Ratio (lift off) = 8.76 means it can't even lift itself from a pad...\n\nFor SSTO you want to use weight optimized structures. SpaceX has already achieved a 20 to 1 mass ratio for its Falcon 9 first stage:SPACEX ACHIEVES ORBITAL BULLSEYE WITH INAUGURAL FLIGHT OF FALCON 9 ROCKET.\"The Falcon 9 first stage, with a fully fueled to dry weight ratio of over 20, has the world's best structural efficiency, despite being designed to higher human rated factors of safety.\"http:\/\/www.spacex.com\/press.php?page=20100607And they claim they will be able to achieve a 30 to 1 mass ratio for the side boosters used on the Falcon Heavy:Falcon Heavy.\"Anticipating potential astronaut transport needs, Falcon Heavy is also designed to meet NASA human rating standards. Falcon Heavy is designed to higher structural safety margins of 40% above flight loads, rather than the 25% level of other rockets, and triple redundant avionics. Despite being designed to higher structural margins than other rockets, the Falcon Heavy side booster stages have a mass ratio (full vs. empty) above 30, better than any launcher in history. By comparison, the Delta IV side boosters have a mass ratio of about 10.\"http:\/\/www.spacex.com\/falcon_heavy.phpIf your Themis LV first stage used the SpaceX structural design you could carry 600,000 kg propellant in that same sized stage.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.767191808Z", "author": "SolarLiner", "date": "2012-08-01T00:54:57+0100", "id": "f174d01b7cde1407244d85b1b9777c5d", "post_id": "post-251440", "text": "https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/photo.php?...36730240.23875.110938085622842&type=1&theaterEntry, Descent and Landing autopilot software uploaded and in functions. Really close to the T0 time !", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.089098752Z", "author": "Eccentrus", "date": "2013-05-15T00:44:28+0100", "id": "53d93a68d6b2d77f731ab17587dd8d4a", "post_id": "post-219581", "text": "damn artlav, I think I have to finally ask you this, what in the name of the seven probes is your day job? and how did you gain so much skills in so wide an area? :lol:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.59128832Z", "author": "pete.dakota", "date": "2008-05-11T15:00:10+0100", "id": "208757be05a8fcdb039dc87b57417153", "post_id": "post-65227", "text": "spcefrk said:The James Webb Telescope will replace it IIRC.\n\nThat's not it's designation or purpose, though. The James Webb will not be able to see visible light. It will only be able to see IR. Whereas the Hubble can see visible, near-IR and UV.", "thread_id": 1408 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.244989696Z", "author": "SolarStorm", "date": "2010-09-14T07:48:32+0100", "id": "4ba520641d199d5cdb3e99ce33487421", "post_id": "post-252376", "text": "DanScall said:What I'd like to know is, is there a tutorial that teaches you to create a ship from scratch? Like, the whole shebang. Meshes, textures and config.\n\nYeah, I've been wondering if there's a tutorial like that out there because I've only found a few pieces, but they aren't from the same jigsaws.Personally, I've made the mesh, but I can't figure out how to texture it (working on it and confident I'll get there in the end) but my main worries are that I don't know how to use MeshWizard 1.9, and I'm also having trouble using spacecraft3.Like you, I'm making my first add-on, and I know the manuals are supposed to help me, but I don't know what the manuals are saying (terminology problems) or even what I'm supposed to be looking for. I'm also wondering if I should even use spacecraft3 or just learn VC++.There has to be a tutorial somewhere that gives detailed step by step instructions in 'baby talk' on the method to get an idea from conception to actually piloting.", "thread_id": 16290 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.557235456Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-04T23:13:42+0000", "id": "532dc49e335ee9da1dd0f71b23f29dbc", "post_id": "post-220333", "text": "They pay 1.6 billion USD for 12 Falcon 9\/Dragon flights. That means 133 million per flight.\n\nWhich includes both Falcon 9andthe Dragon spacecraft, not just F9 alone.The estimates by SpaceX for the Falcon 9 without Dragon (not confirmed by any customer contract yet) are 35 million USD.\n\nNot anymore, F9 is now advertised as $54-60 million.The lowest estimate by Spacex for the Falcon 9\/Heavy is 78 million with 24500 kg payload: $3200 kg.\n\nFalcon Heavy is now advertised at $80-125 million.The prices you have given arepreviouslyadvertised ones... which shows something else: as SpaceX has gone on, its prices have increased.If you assume at least, that SpaceX's conduct is relatively respectable, this is pretty clear evidence of one thing: SpaceX is not infallible.However, analysis done by Dietrich Koelle suggests that the development and operational costs of a reusable SSTO will be less than a reusable TSTO even for the case where they lift the same payload:\n\nThe analysis can be flawed if it uses problematic assumptions. For example, if one were to use the exact same technological requirements (for propulsion, structure, TPS, etc) for a TSTO as one were an SSTO, then a higher operating and development costs for the former could indeed make sense.The key is that a TSTO, not having the same physical requirements as an SSTO, does not need to have the same technological requirements as well. By having more physical leeway in a TSTO design, you can use methods and techniques that are cheaper. And yes, you will have extra recovery\/integration costs, and costs for the development of seperate stages... but the less demanding technology overall makes up for it.And a TSTO need not have as much dissimilarity between the stages as you might imagine. There are lots of solutions that can potentially be employed- including near-identical stages (think shades of bimese\/triamese).In this respect, a TSTO is far more related to a \"designing for cost\" approach than anything you are suggesting. And it certainly matters when the technology needed for a reusable SSTO is either on the absolute bleeding edge of what is available, or does not even exist (yet).", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.78471552Z", "author": "mnagelvoort", "date": "2010-04-28T19:08:51+0100", "id": "7a1c4b1bffd742bf2923aa2c93d5bfd8", "post_id": "post-219321", "text": "AMSO", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.501309184Z", "author": "StableIT", "date": "2010-09-01T22:59:55+0100", "id": "6dc6b34893edb612ae654954162473fd", "post_id": "post-252712", "text": "While it isn't automated, RoboCopy and some networking could do this. Its not a perfect solution, but it is a solid way to move files around. Especially moving them inside your home network.At a company a few years back I used it to migrate gigs of data nightly from the US based office to the MX based factory for the company. A few years later I migrated a few 100 terra worth of NAS data with it, really solid bugger.", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.566682624Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2013-11-10T16:20:34+0000", "id": "4c8fd17e9780eddc8f21e86a9743f0e6", "post_id": "post-220444", "text": "I repeat,show your work.What are your masses for the stage and fuel. What allowances were made for maneuvering and contingencies. How does your thrust at sea-level compare to thrust in vacuum, what does your dynamic pressure curve look like? How heavy is your recovery equipment and landing reserve and what did you base that estimate? How much do your altitude compensating engines and their associated thrust structure weigh in comparison to the existing Merlins?Its easy to make a first order estimate and say that something should be possible. Making it actually work is much much harder.That and the assertion that the F9 first stage would be a more efficient launch vehicle than a complete F9 sounds suspiciously like homeopathic rocketry.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.824045312Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2010-04-29T19:52:59+0100", "id": "6ddb85b3b31d883759594640c3ccfce0", "post_id": "post-219426", "text": "Zachstar said:I kind of disagree with him. I don't believe aliens would actively target earth. Mass murder is not something any sentient species takes lightly and needless when there is massive resources at the outer parts of the solar system.\n\nWe've done it before...Sky Captain said:The biggest threat probably is that a truly advanced civilization I mean like 2+ level on Kardashev scale could wipe us out accidentally like a guy tasked to clear a bush with bulldozer don't care about ant nests he runs over.\n\nI disagree. First of all, it assumes that Kardashev II technology would make those that possess it more intellegent. This is by no means a given. For all our wonderful technology, we aren't any smarter than we were one or two or ten thousand years ago.Secondly, if we take the assumption that they are smarter, it also assumes that just because these hypothetical Kardashev II aliens are to us as we are to ants, they will be as aware of us as we are of ants. There are two problems here:1) That the Kardashev II civ will have historical records of having been a civilization on our level (we have no historical records of being ants), and will thus have more first-hand experience of how things are for civs on our level than we have for \"ant civilization\".2) That the greater intelligence of the Kardashev II civilization might just make them more aware of ants than we are, and correspondingly more aware of us. We might not care about running over an anthill, they might. (Now this does not necessarily mean that their treatment of anthills, or of us, would be benevolent, just that there would be more thought put into it. Where we might ignore an anthill, they might notice it, but whether they then leave the anthill alone or find a way to profit at its expense is left open)docabn said:I think the problem is that our civilization all of them would be destroyed almost instantly simply by their arrival.Imagine that you are a member of a small island tribe and you just figured out how to put a sail on a raft and travel to a nearby island. Of course there are plenty who think who cares we have what we need right here and such; while you are arguing with the leader of your tribe for more manpower and materials to build a better raft an aircraft carrier slides in over the horizon and send a hovercraft full of modern men and women to say hi and ask you mind if they build a shipyard on the far side of your little island.Suddenly your great invention; for that matter any invention your tribe has made seems insignificant. Your creative ideas are all but worthless in the face of vastly superior intelligence.\n\nHere again is the assumption that superior technology means superior intellect. It does not. It simply means a head start.Depending on the structure of your particular civilization, the result may be anything from utter chaos to a gradual blending with the new arrivals.Regardless, your society, your views, your civilization are irrevocably altered simply by the act of contact.Most importantly, anything you might have developed, independent of the visitors is now forever lost.\n\nYes, but if you keep calm and collected, and their intentions aren't too malevolent, you can jump-start yourself up to where they are and start trying to outdo them. Japan did a very good job of this, with the battle of Tsushima occuring about 50 years after Admiral Perry showed up in Tokyo Bay, and Pearl Harbor occurring within 90 years of that same event.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.606505216Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-03T03:55:26+0100", "id": "5f46bde8d600cd08859ad1d34e39081f", "post_id": "post-252941", "text": "This is just what I need to travel out and beyond! Here's a name suggestion:SS Carl Sagan,after the famous astronomer. May he rest in peace.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.567126784Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2013-11-19T04:56:27+0000", "id": "4abd9ceecfa5d9de9af9ff582404e65a", "post_id": "post-220448", "text": "Sky Captain said:If first stage can do SSTO then adding cheap and crude second stage will probably double the payload capacity and allow to launch payloads to higher orbits which SSTO could not do.\n\nThe two stage can indeed carry more payload than the single stage. However, SpaceX wants to transition to reusables. Elon has stated this will result in a surprisingly high loss of payload of 40% for the fully reusable case. A big part of this is due to the need to return the first stage, which doesn't reach orbit, to the launch site.This doesn't hold for the single stage case, resulting in a much smaller loss of payload. The result is the increase in payload of a fully reusable two stage is not nearly as large over a reusable single stage. In fact on a cost per kilo basis the reusable single stage is more efficient.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 11:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:41 PM ----------On the Spaceflight News forum in the \"ESA's future\" thread, the question waswill a reusable Falcon 9 make a solid-fueled Ariane 6 obsolete? SpaceX believes they are close to solving at least the case of the reusable first stage. This will require them to solve the problem of the spin of the vehicle on return.This was a spin around the longitudinal axis. They believe they can solve this by adding landing legs to the first stage which can be deployed like an ice skater extending her arms to slow down the spin. They plan to try this with landing legs on the first stage on their next delivery flight to the ISS in February of next year.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.405019392Z", "author": "simcosmos", "date": "2010-04-29T12:31:25+0100", "id": "b6a2703c23b03833a9c7707a5195ad12", "post_id": "post-219800", "text": "Hummmm (snif), I sometimes wonder if it is any good to take the time writing documentation for the addons!:hmm:Please read theMars for Less V1.6.txtor theMars for Less V1.6.docwhich are available atAdd-on Docs\\Quote:\u201cThe MFL package also includes a zip fileNASA_VSE_SC_v2.0dev_MFL20060614- Simcosmos's Crew Launch Vehicle - included in the package as a seperate zip file. During installation, and when prompted, say 'Yes to all'.\u201cI have shared that alpha \/ preview NASA VSE SC package with Mars For Less Development Team and gave permission for it to be distributed in its original compressed zip state on MFL addon. Please note that theconceptual alternative realityAresI configuration included there is outdated \/ incomplete in a number of ways (the provided guidance files were not really completed, at least not optimised at all and I have meanwhile changed some masses and engine specs, for example, using standard J-2S @ 436s vac. ISP on my current NASA VSE SC development files). EDIT: the package also includes stuff such as placeholder visuals for Ares NASA VSE SC launch pads, new horizon dds texture, etc (all about that is in the related pdf, please see note at the bottom).Please follow MFL Team documentation installation instructions and verify if the scenarios work or not. If not, maybe better to try to contact MFL Team.Thanks,Ant\u00f3nioPS: Link for the pdf documentation specifically related with the contents of my mini-zip can be found atREADME_NASA_VSE_SCv2.0dev_MFL20060614.htm(once the zip is uncompressed into Orbiter\u2019s main directory)", "thread_id": 14045 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.613547008Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-18T09:46:03+0100", "id": "e25ba64e15b51849da6bd54513da2070", "post_id": "post-252996", "text": "That is behind my idea to create a ghost vessel with very strong RCS to have 2 RCS modes one strong and one weak. I think there is problem somewhere in how spacecraft3 module implements the RCS function because landers and hab's are ~5 % of overall fueled LDDSV mass so in theory there shouldn't be noticable difference with or without docked landers and stuff.---------- Post added at 11:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:43 AM ----------I looked up spacecraft3 documentation and it says the RCS thrust is applied 1 m from rotational axis. I think that is where the problem lies and why I need so owerpowered RCS to be able to turn the vessel in reasonable amount of time. Only 1 m from rotational axis gives very short \"lever arm\" (I don't know how it's properly called in english) so it's very difficult to turn the vessel this large and with heavy payload docked ~100 m from rotational axis. If RCS were modeled to apply force few hundred meters away from center of rotation it would recquire relatively little thrust to rotate the vessel even with stuff docked to it.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581010944Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-07-06T18:10:16+0100", "id": "170d49b41c183575810e693084ea5bfc", "post_id": "post-220185", "text": "RGClark said:Obviously, I don't agree with that. These were very smart guys who actually spent their careers in the industry designing rockets. But more importantly the same effect works for multi-staged rockets andhas been proven in practice. That is, dense propellant first stages, such as kerosene or using SRB boosters, result in a lower gravity loss and therefore lower delta-V to orbit.\n\nFirst of all, don't try argument by authority against me. I hate incompetence.Second, your \"authorities\" are:Henry Spencer: Famous computer programmer, newsgroup activist and space enthusiast. He has NEVER worked for a spaceflight company, but is active in the Canadian Space Society. He is no professional however, just a very good amateur - we have dozens of those in the Orbiter community.Mitchell B Clapp: Inventor, book author, former USAF captain, military scientist\/engineer - holds two patents on rocket planes, space enthusiast, had been supporting the failed Rocketplane Limited in 1997. Was employed at the Phillips Laboratory, before he joined Rocketplane Limited, today the Phillips Laboratory is split into the Space Vehicles and Directed Energy Directorates of the Airforce Research Laboratory. Was last employed the at the VT-X, the Launch Vehicle Technology Office. Nothing known about his life since 1999.Notice something?Also, if I remember the newsgroup discussion between the two, that you treat here like a scientific publication, correctly, Clapp did actually correct Spencer a few times, but also based his findings on the Trident 2 missile, which is having a too high acceleration for any kind of payload that isn't a warhead.PS: For all those people that never heard of the ascent equation and are maybe feeling as surprised as Spencer:[math]\\Delta v = \\Delta v^{\\ast} - \\mu \\int_0^{t_b} \\frac{\\cos {\\alpha}}{r^2} \\mathrm{d}t - \\int_0^{t_b}\\frac{D}{m} \\mathrm{d}t - \\int_0^{t_b} \\frac{F}{m} \\left ( 1 - \\cos{\\delta} \\right ) \\mathrm{d}t[\/math][math]\\Delta v[\/math] is the velocity change between ground velocity and orbital velocity[math]\\Delta v^{\\ast}[\/math] is the total velocity change as produced by the engines and calculated by the rocket equation[math]t_b[\/math] is the burn out time, the moment you reach orbit[math]\\alpha[\/math] is the flight path angle (0\u00b0 = straight up)D is the drag forcem is massF is the engine thrust[math]\\delta[\/math] is the steering angle, the angle between total thrust vector and velocity vector.Thus, the first integral are the gravity losses, the second the aerodynamic losses and the third the control losses.As you can easily see - the smaller the [math]t_b[\/math], the lower the losses.(Yes, I finally had the time to hack this into Latex form)", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.580619776Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-05T22:17:36+0100", "id": "7451f85d515b5b9766cd19379bcb8ea9", "post_id": "post-220180", "text": "Urwumpe said:...The SSTO will reach the following payload mass ratio at a structural mass fraction of 0.05 and an specific impulse of 3300 m\/s:[math]\\lambda_{SSTO} = \\frac{e^{\\frac{-9200 \\frac{m}{s}}{3300 \\frac{m}{s}}} - 0.05} {1 - 0.05} = 0.0122[\/math]Just 1.22% of the mass will be available for payload (and any advanced recovery and landing systems, if desired)The TSTO will at equal parameters and approximately optimized stage ratio get:[math]\\lambda_{TSTO} = \\left (\\frac{e^{\\frac{-4600 \\frac{m}{s}}{3300 \\frac{m}{s}}} - 0.05} {1 - 0.05} \\right ) ^2 = 0.0435[\/math]That means 4.35% of the lift off mass will be available for payload. The SSTO will weight 3.57 times more for the same payload as the TSTO. That is about the difference between Soyuz and Space Shuttle.\n\nThanks for the calculation.It is averyimportant point to keep in mind that dense propellant SSTO's actually require less delta-V to orbit than hydrogen fueled SSTO's. This is trueeven whenthe two cases have the same liftoff T\/W ratio.See the discussion here:Hydrogen delta-V (Henry Spencer; Mitchell Burnside Clapp).The bottom line, when all this converges -- including a small gain fromlower drag on a more compact vehicle, and a very small bonus from lowerdrag making the acceleration still higher -- is that a standard orthodoxNASA LOX\/LH2 SSTO needs 31000ft\/s to reach the space-station orbit, and an H2O2\/kerosene SSTO needs only 29050ft\/s.(In fact, the explanation came after the numbers -- when good trajectorysimulations kept coming out with lower delta-Vs for H2O2\/kerosene, Mitchdecided he had to understand what was going on.)Now, consider. The H2O2\/kerosene SSTO is operating in a very steep partof the mass-ratio curve. A 6% saving in delta-V is *not* trivial. Forengines with a vacuum Isp of 320, the required mass ratio drops from 20 to16. Given the aforementioned sophisticated scaling models, at this massratio, the H2O2\/kerosene SSTO's payload at the same GLOM is now equal to that of the LOX\/LH2 design.So the dense-fuel SSTO has lower dry mass, smaller vehicle size, cheaperand easier-to-handle propellants, and now suffers no GLOM penalty... Justwhat was the advantage of LOX\/LH2 supposed to be again?http:\/\/yarchive.net\/space\/rocket\/fuels\/hydrogen_deltav.htmlFor a kerosene fueled SSTO the delta-V to orbit is often taken as 8,900 m\/s. To do a simple calculation, I'll use some estimated numbers for the Falcon 9 first stage: a dry mass of 15,000 kg and a propellant mass of 285,000 kg, to give a mass ratio of 20 to 1. Let's suppose we swapped out the low efficiency Merlin engines for an engine with an Isp of 3,300 m\/s. Then we could get 5,600 kg payload:3,300ln(1+285\/(15+5.6)) = 8,900 m\/s.This is a payload fraction of 5.6\/(300+5.6) = .0183, or 1.8%. It is indeed true though that SSTO's are best used as reusable. I gave an estimate before that perhaps 28% of the landed mass has to be set aside for reentry\/landing systems. However, with modern materials such as composites quite likely less than half this would be required. So .14*15,000 kg = 2,100 kg for the R\/L systems. This gives us 3,500 kg left over for payload.Since this is to be a reusable system we would need the maintenance costs to be kept minimal. The big focus of X-33\/VentureStar program was to cut support staff by two orders of magnitude over that of the shuttle, from literally ten's of thousands to a few hundred. Also, the engines and thermal protection system were designed to require minimal maintenance between flights. If you suppose then the reusable kerosene engines used could manage 100 flights, then this could indeed cut the costs to orbit significantly.Another factor to keep in mind though is that payload fraction really is not a good measure, figure of merit, to use to measure the efficiency of a launch system. The reason is that the cost of the propellant is a trivial component to the cost of the launch but makes up the great majority of the mass you're comparing the payload to in calculating the payload fraction.Many in the industry now say a much better measure would be to compare the payload to the dry mass, as this much better tracks the cost of the vehicle. The dry mass remember is the stuff that actually has to be constructed and tested.For this SSTO, this payload to dry mass ratio, for the expendable case to make an apple to apples comparison, is 5.6\/15 = 0.37, 37%.What is it for the TSTO case you are considering?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.611217408Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-09-10T13:29:24+0100", "id": "bc9257c9846d1929c3dbb870609a6f80", "post_id": "post-252976", "text": "VASIMR in high gear can only reach 294 000 m\/s, how do your engines reach such a high exhaust velocity?I think a mass flow of 0.17 kg\/s is quite doable, considering the size of the engines...", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.582680832Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-08-07T05:42:54+0100", "id": "8c0ff5f7b634b32bc238ccba1bec3237", "post_id": "post-220203", "text": "T.Neo said:Yeah... good luck getting down to $100\/kg. Has anyone done a calculation on the amount of energy expended on a transatlantic trip, and what a transatlantic air-freight cost\/kg would be?Mining and processing fuel off of Earth sounds like nonsense to me, firstly because concentration of uranium on the Moon is low, and secondly because processing isn't just something you do at any old camp site- it requires huge infrastructure, to the point where it just becomes absurd and just shipping a reactor(s) there makes far more sense.Seehere.People often go on about rare Earth metals or whatnot on the Moon. Well, if they're there, that's a nice bit of scientific trivia. But what are the actual concentrations? Does nobody bother to give that information?What is your justification for SSTO? Even I'veabandoned SSTOfor my addon simply because there was no reason for it.Are you suggesting single-component architectures are going to offer huge cost savings despite their larger size or more intensive construction? I can maybe see the logic of it... but I don't think it is universally applicable.\n\nThe amount of fissionable material required for a rocket would be much less than that required to run a nuclear power plant for an entire city. There is also the fact this would not be for making a profit on the power production as with uranium mines but just for producing propellant.I'll show in an upcoming post you can make a small SSTO using currentlyexistingengines and stages about the size of the smallest of the very light or personal jets:[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_very_light_jets\"]List of very light jets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]Except that instead of jet engines it would use rockets and the entire volume aft of the cockpit would be filled with propellant, i.e., no passenger cabin. So they would have the appearance of fighter jets.A manned orbital vehicle this size would have operational and cost advantages compared to a two-stage system especially for private use.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613474304Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-07T00:17:12+0100", "id": "19e42a887dddda12940dec0b3597f4e3", "post_id": "post-220726", "text": "Wolfer said:@BJ We also need someplace to store consumables and I think we should put most of the base under dirt to protect our ummus from radiation.\n\nMars does have high radiation from lack of magnetic field so I agree undreground layers would be a practical step for radiation protection, but how would we sim this in Orbiter? Make a mesh of our base and shift the mesh so that it's partway under the planet?Not sure how exactly to implement this.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.869534976Z", "author": "SolarLiner", "date": "2012-08-06T06:29:48+0100", "id": "ac49a96b21f48ce2aeaeebcff7a72c05", "post_id": "post-251579", "text": "Parachute deployed ! Heatshield removed ! RADAR activated ! YES !:11sign:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.755577344Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-04-26T06:29:48+0100", "id": "30a08ba8f85eccf607582daaf1c49af3", "post_id": "post-219308", "text": "So you are looking for a digital camera that happens to film video? or a digital camcorder thats primary purpose is to film video?If you are looking for a digital camera (that can also take videos) then get a Digital SLR camera. They are really over loaded with so many features it makes it almost worth the price. Usually, you can change the lenses on SLR cameras, so you have different shots all the time.For a digital camcorder this one looks good;Canon FS200--Cnet Editors reviewIt doesn't look like it takes any drivers, only software and the software works for XP. Though you could get around it entirely by getting a camera that has flash memory so you can remove it from the camera and stick it into your computer like just like a USB flash drive.Really the best way IMHO", "thread_id": 14013 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.61580928Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-08T08:15:19+0100", "id": "e4c66b50af0814ec0cc439ca43807d30", "post_id": "post-220746", "text": "I also approve of you as project manager, I'm kind of a noob at this.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.143930368Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-08-30T08:03:17+0100", "id": "8d1328849fc5e74dda8e12f4eb6dde31", "post_id": "post-252288", "text": "I always use the freeFormat Factory. You can convert anything to anything;)", "thread_id": 16278 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.821638144Z", "author": "eveningsky339", "date": "2010-04-28T19:02:23+0100", "id": "43d3e3f03cc77992b8f8c1312415ae27", "post_id": "post-219402", "text": "T.Neo said:I'm highly critical of abduction claims (or any claim of alien visitation) more from a biological point of view than anything else. The aliens are either practically human (Space Brothers) or some variation of a human (greys, reptillians). Their medical procedures don't seem particularly sound, and the notion of them creating human alien hybrids is pretty nonsensical, both from a strategy and biology point of view. Overall, it has the hallmarks more of a psychological and societal phenomenon- a good example is the similarity between abduction experiences and sleep paralysis.Nevertheless, if there is sound evidence for it...\n\nI'm critical of these as well. But there are a few aspects of some cases which warrant a closer look. When an \"abductee\" disappears for three days and then is found naked next a dumpster in a catatonic state, for example. Or when scars and bodily harm appear after a supposed \"abduction.\" It may very well all be nonsense, but we should not be so quick to dismiss it.But then again, most abductees tend to be religiously obsessed with the idea of abduction in the first place...", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.819673856Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-27T11:01:36+0100", "id": "5a44575a764675e38652b4ce424e21e1", "post_id": "post-219383", "text": "I get a bit annoyed when people talk of us \"destroying our planet\" and whatnot. We're not destroying the ecosystem, we'repartof the ecosystem.Humans are a very successful organism, and what successful organisms tend to do a lot of the time is displace other organisms in the ecosystem.Now, I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, and I'm certainly not saying I'd want my great grandchildren to live on a world swarming with humans and owls, but issues like this should always be assessed in a sociological and biological manner, and not an emotional one.I'd also like to note that you don't have to be a god to traverse interstellar space. Many principles and technologies for doing so have been around since the 1960s.How compassionate are you to a piece of seaweed? Do you think the piece of seaweed is content with the level of compassion you give it?\n\nThe second question solves the first right there; you can't compare a piece of seaweed with all or one of a sophont species. There's a fundamental difference from us and seaweed. And this difference exists whether you are a caveman or a magical interstellar entity.Amusing, indeed. But a true reality nonetheless among humans. Today.\n\nA human among humans.And if a more or less calm species was already influencing the Earth's managment, would small fish like us know it?\n\nThese \"small fish\" actively monitor the Earth, so we could detect conscious control of it.If there was also an operating spacecraft between Earth and the Moon, we would know about it. There is no Stealth in Space.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.441302528Z", "author": "bpops", "date": "2010-09-14T22:27:39+0100", "id": "b2b46d74b02b7dc8e1f10498d27d4029", "post_id": "post-252570", "text": "I'm a little late to this party, but thanks Martin on the latest update.:thumbup:", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611885568Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-06T18:06:41+0100", "id": "e1aca018d285ad7cc4f8c224173b32bd", "post_id": "post-220712", "text": "Pablo49 said:We can just assume this is an alternate history kind of project. Assuming that technology by this time would be more advanced. This is more about simulating the tasks themselves, not when exactly they would happen.\n\nWhile I agree with everything you've just said, part of simulating the tasks is the actual flights. How exactly THEY play out depends on where in their orbits they are, which is determined by the date. I have nothing against starting the mission in the present, I just thought it would be better to start at a later one. If there actually IS an issue with using later dates (actually STARTING at a later date, not simply time warping there) then it was a bad idea on my part and I will circular file the later date idea in a heartbeat.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.093598976Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2015-01-08T09:41:34+0000", "id": "2d781c94c0f75fa7a47c1a4998c423a4", "post_id": "post-219615", "text": "DSLRs still have the best performance and are cheaper than interchangeable lens compacts (ILCs), probably due to their less compact bodies. There is more to a DSLR than its mirror and viewfinder. While smaller cameras have to rely on a contrast detection system for autofocus, DSLRs have a more accurate and faster phase detection system. There's an explanationhere.The performance of ILCs are improving and closing the gap, but they also fall behind DSLRs in burst shooting, weather sealing, and battery life. It's also easier to fit a larger sensor into a bigger SLR body, which results in better image quality. DSLRs have a bigger lens selection, and the bigger lenses are superior because they can hold more elements, have longer focal lengths and wider apertures.There is definitely a place for DSLRs, but most people don't require that kind of performance.In comparison, iPhones and other smartphones have miniscule sensors which cannot come near to matching the light sensitivity and image quality of a simply larger piece of silicon. It's also very difficult to generate a thin depth of field with a smaller light collecting area, and impossible with the tiny lenses on smartphones unless the subject is very close.Point-and-shoots (or compact cameras) have made giant gains in sensor size recently because camera companies have to compete with smartphones. So the performance of some compact cameras are far better than smartphones, but they still don't match cameras with changeable lenses. However, compacts areapproacingthat kind ofperformance.Most photographs I take now are with the original Sony RX100, one of the first cameras to fit a large sensor into a tiny body. The image quality from that little compact is close to a DSLR, but it lacks the lenses, battery life, depth of field control, and performance.Smartphone:http:\/\/fav.me\/d7zlkug2008 point-and-shoot:http:\/\/fav.me\/d6oz6fz2012 point-and-shoot:http:\/\/fav.me\/d85jzpjDSLR (shallow DoF):http:\/\/fav.me\/d4u0yn0DSLR (wide DoF):http:\/\/fav.me\/d6eadg2", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.496412416Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-11-17T21:18:09+0000", "id": "6091147b8f567c1430cc809a31de4ca9", "post_id": "post-252696", "text": "Maybe a bit old news, but, in case you cared, Anna now works for FundServiceBank, the authorized bank of Roscosmos (and whose name probably incidentally, has the same acronym as the FSB - the domestic security agency of Russia).This is exactly the explanation why sheattended TMA-01M's launch.http:\/\/www.spacedaily.com\/reports\/Russian_spy_Chapman_working_for_space_agency_bank_999.htmlRussian spy Chapman working for space agency bankby Staff WritersMoscow (AFP) Oct 11, 2010A Russian bank linked with the country's famed space programme confirmed Monday that it had hired glamorous Russian spy Anna Chapman to work as an advisor to its president.The auburn-haired Chapman caused a stir last week when she unexpectedly showed up for the launch of a Soyuz rocket carrying three astronauts at Russia's Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.In a statement, FundServiceBank, an authorised bank of Russian space agency Roskosmos, confirmed Chapman was an employee and had attended the launch as part of her duties.\"Anna Vasilyevna Chapman does in fact work for FundServiceBank since October 1 as an advisor to the bank's president on issues of investment and innovation,\" the bank said, noting that it had released the statement following \"numerous inquiries\" from local and foreign media regarding Chapman's presence at the launch.It said Chapman would be working on developing the bank's \"information technologies\" and described her as a \"creative and multi-faceted employee who truly cares about Russia's destiny.\"The bank also revealed that Chapman was working on a book about \"the new possibilities of Internet resources.\"Chapman was at the centre of the biggest spy crisis between the United States and Russia since the Cold War as one of the US-based \"sleeper\" agents who in July were exchanged in a dramatic spy swap.Since her arrival back in Moscow she has posed in cocktail dresses for a weekly magazine and appeared at a party at a nightclub, but has not given any interviews about her experience.Roskosmos denied the agency was involved in Chapman's visit to the launch, saying she had attended as a \"private individual\" and noting that she had not met with any members of the Soyuz crew.\n\nNo reporter is still able to talk to Anna Chapman directly, but, in response to a reporters question for the CEO of FundServiceBank about why Anna chose to take up space related matters,he answered:CEO: \"She told me that. We have been to the Cosmodrome togther and when we were inspecting the launch sites, she explained that to me very simply: when we, the humans think about what is going to happen to Earth in the near future, we can't wave off the problems like asteroids flying in our direction, meteorite showers and other factors that influence our civilization.\"\"From my standpoint, I shall note that the threat of an asteroid coming down on us is real. There are several programs developed by space agencies and offered to the international community on how we can avoid the real threat of obliterating our civilization on Earth. Also there are certain plans on settlement on the Moon by making there livable clusters, and even plans for manned flights to Mars.\"\"These topics are of great interest for Anna Vasilyevna. She is researching them for a long time. In particular, her project is connected with finding a way to compensate for that worrying asteroid situation with minimal losses and how humanity can develop if we have to use Earth's orbit for resisting these phenomenae. That's also about how we can use international space stations and international collaboration. In her work she models different situations.\"Rep: \"How long ago Anna took this up?\"CEO: \"In depth, no less than a year ago, as I can judge by her project\"Rep: \"It sounds like a science fiction, doesn't it?\"CEO: \"Every situational modeling is fictional by nature. But this is a fiction based on a precise calculation and pragmatic analysis of the situation.\"Rep: \"And how about PR plugging activity?\"CEO: \"I find it ridiculous to plug an asteroid that's on collision course with Earth. But if you regard PR a system to inform society, then we probably do just that.\"\n\nAnd finally, some guys impressed by the startling news about Anna's new activities, decided to promote her bursting into blossom career with a littleflash game called SuperAnna:http:\/\/marker.ru\/interactive\/superannaAs it is not localized to English, I'll explain few things.To begin playing, click on \u0421\u041f\u0410\u0421\u0422\u0418 \u041f\u041b\u0410\u041d\u0415\u0422\u0423 flashing title.Your goal is to earn as much\u20b1's for Anna as possible.To do that, you must shoot down unfriendly objects and avoid shooting friendly ones. If you are successul, you upgrade from machine gun to laser, and ultimately, to Bulava missiles.Unfriendly objects are:Asteroid (+200 roubles)GPS satellite (+500 roubles)Space Shuttle (+700 roubles)Red Flying Saucer (+1000 roubles)Friendly objects are:GLONASS satellites (-1000 roubles, every next one is fined with extra -1000)Black flying saucer escorting yellow Lada Kalina (-10000 roubles and disgrade)Yellow Lada Kalina (Game Over)Every penetrating asteroid fines for -500 \u20b1.Game is over in each of the cases:Earth is destroyed by asteroidsAnna is brokeAnna shoots at Yellow Lada KalinaToo much of GLONASS constellation is downGood hunting!", "thread_id": 16320 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.615726592Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-08T04:57:12+0100", "id": "9fa3d76ef3d444e7f314fad2f3c008e0", "post_id": "post-220745", "text": "supersonic said:I would like to fly assembly flights, after thats done dock to the main ship and put my ship in the hands of the person flying the stack until we get to Mars. I will freight cargo and UMMUs to Mars and other stuff that may be needed at Mars.( I would prefer to fly a DGIV or maybe an XR2.)\n\nAs stated before by Uwrumpe, we really aren't at the point to volunteer for flying missions right now. We don't even have any missions to fly yet.Bj, I approve of you taking project manager role. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.59521792Z", "author": "Star Voyager", "date": "2010-05-01T17:30:35+0100", "id": "792aa0c9b7af080e6d5715dfa6ee373c", "post_id": "post-220503", "text": "50 years ago today, Gary Powers was flying his U-2 at 70,000 ft. when a SA-2 SAM ripped through his empinage. He was tried and kept in the U.S.S.R. for 2 years, then released:Thank you Capt. Powers for your service :tiphat:!", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.55124864Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-09-19T17:24:03+0100", "id": "192a28c35bb9d2a5316df96753fa6ce9", "post_id": "post-252894", "text": "Tommy: WOW! 5498,119 on the first challenge!\n\nThanks. I've made well over a hundred ascents and dozens of \"test\" flights to gather drag data while coming up with my ascent profile - it's nice to see that the effort has paid off. Managing to get the launch perfectly in plane certainly didn't hurt either! Also, you'd be surprised how much fuel the AP's can waste - you can easily save over a dozen KG by orienting the vessel by hand before engaging an AP.", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.640549888Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-21T05:30:29+0100", "id": "e4895cab76fac5a0545e7c9045fbc585", "post_id": "post-220949", "text": "Bloodworth said:I had a question, and not sure if it has been addressed quite yet.Are we going to do the mission like the OFSS (mission commander hands off mission, pilot completes mission and turns in mission report, mission commander hands off next assignment...) or are we planning to do this in real time in OFMP?\n\nIt looks like we're going to email around a .scn of the mission, and every pilot will do his part before sending it to the next guy. (This post.)OFSS had IRC coverage. I'd like to include that in this project as well, when we actually get around to flying the mission. There's an MFD for realtime communication with the pilot.I've looked at OFMP, and it looks too darned complex for me to figure out.:p", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62789248Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-14T02:33:21+0100", "id": "5850ae1b2684aa25ac67ae03cabb0df9", "post_id": "post-220854", "text": "Hm, that is a good idea, about the prelaunch fuel tank. We could send one of Kulch's space tankers to Mars, and dock it straight to the Nerva and transfer fuel.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.758793216Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-06-11T20:10:07+0100", "id": "a58cea29c836fec23260fd7f3ec5ab1d", "post_id": "post-251378", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Mars Rover Team Aims for Landing Closer to Prime Science SiteJune 11, 2012PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has narrowed the target for its most advanced Mars rover, Curiosity, which will land on the Red Planet in August. The car-sized rover will arrive closer to its ultimate destination for science operations, but also closer to the foot of a mountain slope that poses a landing hazard.\"We're trimming the distance we'll have to drive after landing by almost half,\" said Pete Theisinger, Mars Science Laboratory project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. \"That could get us to the mountain months earlier.\"It was possible to adjust landing plans because of increased confidence in precision landing technology aboard the Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft, which is carrying the Curiosity rover. That spacecraft can aim closer without hitting Mount Sharp at the center of Gale crater. Rock layers located in the mountain are the prime location for research with the rover.{colsp=3}Click on images for details\u200b||This image shows changes in the target landing area for Curiosity, the rover of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory project. The larger ellipse was the target area prior to early June 2012, when the project revised it to the smaller ellipse centered nearer to the foot of Mount Sharp, inside Gale Crater.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/ESA\/DLR\/FU Berlin\/MSSS\u200b|A June 2012 revision of the landing target area for Curiosity, the big rover of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission, reduces the area's size. It also puts the center of the landing area closer to Mount Sharp, which bears geological layers that are the mission's prime destination.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/ESA\/DLR\/FU Berlin\/MSSS\u200b|As of June 2012, the target landing area for NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission is the ellipse marked on this image of Gale Crater. The ellipse is about 12 miles long and 4 miles wide (20 kilometers by 7 kilometers).Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/ESA\/DLR\/FU Berlin\/MSSS\u200bCuriosity is scheduled to land at approximately 10:31 p.m. PDT Aug. 5 (1:31 a.m. EDT, Aug. 6). Following checkout operations, Curiosity will begin a two-year study of whether the landing vicinity ever offered an environment favorable for microbial life.Theisinger and other mission leaders described the target adjustment during an update to reporters on Monday, June 11, about preparations for landing and for operating Curiosity on Mars.The landing target ellipse had been approximately 12 miles wide and 16 miles long (20 kilometers by 25 kilometers). Continuing analysis of the new landing system's capabilities has allowed mission planners to shrink the area to approximately 4 miles wide and 12 miles long (7 kilometers by 20 kilometers), assuming winds and other atmospheric conditions are as predicted.Even with the smaller ellipse, Curiosity will be able to touch down at a safe distance from steep slopes at the edge of Mount Sharp.\"We have been preparing for years for a successful landing by Curiosity, and all signs are good,\" said Dave Lavery, Mars Science Laboratory program executive at NASA. \"However, landing on Mars always carries risks, so success is not guaranteed. Once on the ground we'll proceed carefully. We have plenty of time since Curiosity is not as life-limited as the approximate 90-day missions like NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers and the Phoenix lander.\"Since the spacecraft was launched in November 2011, engineers have continued testing and improving its landing software. Mars Science Laboratory will use an upgraded version of flight software installed on its computers during the past two weeks. Additional upgrades for Mars surface operations will be sent to the rover about a week after landing.Other preparations include upgrades to the rover's software and understanding effects of debris coming from the drill the rover will use to collect samples from rocks on Mars. Experiments at JPL indicate that Teflon from the drill could mix with the powdered samples. Testing will continue past landing with copies of the drill. The rover will deliver the samples to onboard instruments that can identify mineral and chemical ingredients.\"The material from the drill could complicate, but will not prevent analysis of carbon content in rocks by one of the rover's 10 instruments. There are workarounds,\" said John Grotzinger, the mission's project scientist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. \"Organic carbon compounds in an environment are one prerequisite for life. We know meteorites deliver non-biological organic carbon to Mars, but not whether it persists near the surface. We will be checking for that and for other chemical and mineral clues about habitability.\"Curiosity will be in good company as it nears landing. Two NASA Mars orbiters, along with a European Space Agency orbiter, will be in position to listen to radio transmissions as Mars Science Laboratory descends through Mars' atmosphere.{...}NASA Press Release:RELEASE : 12-192 - NASA Mars Rover Team Aims for Landing Closer to Prime Science SiteSPACE.com:Huge Mars Rover Faces Contamination Issue Ahead of August LandingCBS News Space:Mars Science Lab rover on track for August descent to red planetUniverse Today:Engineers Able to Narrow Landing Ellipse for Curiosity RoverDiscovery News:Mars Rover Now Aiming for Sweet SpotFlorida Today:NASA's Curiosity rover eyes closer landing to targetNASA's Discovery rover zeroing in on Mars crater landing", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.654435328Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-13T15:17:01+0100", "id": "e430f9785e9b0e9caa24e1969dfc8ffc", "post_id": "post-221071", "text": "Essentially the return engines and supply modules would be docked together by a small two man crew in the return engines. They would then set up the autopilot to head to Mars and leave in their CTV.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.650470144Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-11T03:14:57+0100", "id": "fbc7311b7c01b58d7e7e3c485618847a", "post_id": "post-221034", "text": "fireballs619 said:I noticed in the wiki we have the need for 52 different textures for elements, none of which have developers. I have almost no texturing skill so i can't volunteer, but do we really need all of those?\n\nCurrently I'm trying to make a general template for those cargo modules, so that for the most part it will just require slapping a different name on each label. So far I've had little success, because of inexperience, time constraints (work, other projects, the usual) and most importantly procrastination, for which I apologise. I'll try to speed things up this weekend and maybe get a design posted.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.760225024Z", "author": "streb2001", "date": "2012-07-06T17:49:47+0100", "id": "85c4fdd617aee39456d33186ea4bc62f", "post_id": "post-251391", "text": "SpaceNut said:my guess is that it uses accelerometers and \/ or gyros like any other guidance system.\n\nLet's hope they soldered them the right way round this time!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.958134272Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-17T20:39:59+0100", "id": "21e06ef893d1c58539e78d73c407c022", "post_id": "post-219499", "text": "Anybody here ever try using or making your own pinhole camera? Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day was last month, here's the website:http:\/\/www.pinholeday.org\/gallery\/2010\/To view the gallery click the link on the left.I've never built my own pinhole camera per se, but I did build a pinhole lens for my 35mm SLR camera using an old body cap, some electrical tape, and a piece of tin foil. It worked, but the photo wasn't as sharp as I wanted because I don't think the pinhole was small and round enough. But I will try again soon, and since it only takes a half hour to make one and costs almost nothing, why not?The photos I took looked a lot like this one, and this guy used the same technique I did, except his SLR is digital:http:\/\/www.pinholeday.org\/gallery\/2010\/index.php?id=45", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.661067264Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-04T03:05:10+0100", "id": "7bcbedd7d6026000f02617d759a706dd", "post_id": "post-220611", "text": "The Arrow would probably work for a second orbital space station for part time, and the other times it will freight cargo to Mars from Earth.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.874292224Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-08-06T06:37:19+0100", "id": "dff9a617c4085a60ff107faa2d633342", "post_id": "post-251614", "text": "Congrats NASA for that great technological achievement ! :thumbup: :10sign:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56292736Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2012-07-18T17:24:01+0100", "id": "31ff676756d8fb30896789dd514555e5", "post_id": "post-220405", "text": "And once again you're blithely ignoring the economic and engineering aspects of your own argument.If it were simply an issue of strapping engine A to stage B SSMEs would be on EVERYTHING.Likewise an SSTO (that is not reusable) and costs twice as much as TSTO is not an improvement. It is a step backwards.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.667661312Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T05:30:20+0100", "id": "eb0167fee2b6bd85c1067374b530bd89", "post_id": "post-220670", "text": "'Mission To Mars,' I believe.Since the Ares vehicles will likely come into play during assembly, Aries might be scratchable.Pegasus may be a good idea, and would make a nice graphic for the mission patch.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.013317376Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-12-05T21:15:05+0000", "id": "d29154f5759cfd5a4f728536f47f5733", "post_id": "post-252046", "text": "orb said:NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Mars Rover Fully Analyzes First Soil Samples...NASA | Curiosity Rover Shakes, Bakes, and Tastes Mars with SAM - YouTube\n\nIn regards to the origin of the carbon, it could also be the carbonate dust known to be wide spread on Mars.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.556302848Z", "author": "Cras", "date": "2012-01-04T02:50:12+0000", "id": "73fc916ac76b55c3db5684804148695c", "post_id": "post-220321", "text": "EnDSchultz said:Wow, really? I just read this entire thread. Most of it, anyway (I went through all the pages!). It started early last year and you two are STILL at it? Interesting as it is, I have a nagging suspicion this is going in circles. Please, people, for your own sanity, call a stalemate and put this one to bed.\n\nIt is how these sort of discussions tend to go around here.But I wouldn't call it a stalemate. My scorecard shows someone with a lead.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66828032Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-05T15:08:23+0100", "id": "8b48789505269c29b28758be76baeb86", "post_id": "post-220675", "text": "Nergal is good, and is it the Sumarians that we have to thank for algebra? Can't remember... Might be Mesopotamians", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.02051584Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-10-07T13:56:53+0100", "id": "a4221d54ceef353766f6ec30f0e561aa", "post_id": "post-251196", "text": "Universe Today:Encapsulating Curiosity for Martian Flight TestDiscovery News:Mars Rover Curiosity Gets Sealed Up", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.572250112Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-20T23:12:38+0000", "id": "ac81aa953daa2bc210480ae5bcf09522", "post_id": "post-220484", "text": "Hlynkacg said:As I said before, from where I am sitting you appear to be arguing that the whole concept of iterative design is unsound.\n\nYes, and from where I am sitting, I have the feeling that you never did any iterative design yourself, but instead just start many new expensive projects to fix a few bugs that disturbed you on the first try.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.441082624Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-04-28T21:33:35+0100", "id": "d9949866fc6292d55473ad7aedb75f1e", "post_id": "post-219827", "text": "Anyone here grab one of those new AMD 6 core CPUs yet? The silicon on those badboys is supposed to be far superior to my C2 Phenom II X3", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.87458048Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-06T06:37:24+0100", "id": "84f93ad01bbe959738ed04665749d425", "post_id": "post-251616", "text": "Touchdown confirmed... Curiosity has landed!Now I can return to my bed... :goodnight:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.577285632Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-03-11T19:57:00+0000", "id": "bfdaa54171eb5239239918aae86e4129", "post_id": "post-220143", "text": "RGClark said:In doing some background web searches, I found that the upper stage of theDirect team's Jupiter-246 vehiclealso would become SSTO when switched to a SSME engine. I guess I should not have been surprised by this. The thesis I have been arguing repeatedly via email with individuals in NASA and the industry and on space forums such as this one is that if you use BOTH the most weight optimized designs AND the highest efficiency engines available, then what you will wind up with will be SSTO capable whether you intend it to or not.By highest efficiency engines I don't mean just an engine optimized to have a high vacuum Isp only. I mean an engine of highest efficiency over the entire flight range to orbit. For hydrogen engines that is the SSME, and the Russian analogue RD-0120...\n\nAnother highly weight optimized stage was the S-II second stage on the Saturn V. According to this Wikipedia page it was even better optimized than the S-IVB stage :Saturn V.S-II second stage.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Saturn_V#S-II_second_stageThe 5J-2 enginesused had a mass of 1,580 kg each, for a total mass of 7,900 kg. You'll need 3 of the SSME'soperating at 109% thrustto lift the mass. So the 7,900 kg mass of the engines is replaced with 9,300 kg. And the 36,000 kg S-II dry mass is raised to 37,400 kg and the gross mass is raised to 481,400 kg.Now usingGary Hudson's 425s trajectory averaged Isp for the SSME engines, and the 9,200 m\/s required delta-V to orbit. We get a 17,000 kg payload:425*9.8ln((481400 + 17000)\/(37400 + 17000)) = 9,225 m\/sHowever, again we can get 10% greater total mass to orbit by propellant densification. This brings the payload to 22,440 kg. Also perhaps 10% off the structural mass can be saved by using aluminum-lithium alloy. And an additional 10% mass can be saved by the new weight saving methods. These weight savings can go to extra payload to bring the payload mass up to 28,000 kg. Note this is sufficient now to carry the Orion spacecraft as a SSTO.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.499697152Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-04-30T09:20:12+0100", "id": "3c439c739cda46a38e338fb5e8c88d17", "post_id": "post-220009", "text": "Have you tried pressing F4 and using the scenario editor? That the simple way anyway.", "thread_id": 14072 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.041801216Z", "author": "Ripley", "date": "2014-04-10T17:28:39+0100", "id": "7956c711f27c63a87816a8223add518c", "post_id": "post-252175", "text": "Fromslate.com...When I saw the picture, I knew right away it wasn\u2019t from some artificial source. It wasn\u2019t even really a light source on Mars! I\u2019ve worked with astronomical cameras for many, many years, and we see little blips like this all the time. To make sure though, I asked my friend Emily Lakdawalla, who is also a planetary scientist and journalist. Her immediate response: cosmic ray.\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652520192Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-06-12T16:23:15+0100", "id": "146ff281ba3edaa6fe46db00cbe4d026", "post_id": "post-221054", "text": "One place where I think we could end up wasting fuel is on the hab module's engines. All that module needs to do is deorbit (for this we can use a small, solid fueled engine). As for taking off from the surface, I think we should avoid carrying that engine\/fuel (Some of the fuel can be produced in situ) down to the surface on the same flight as the hab module. Instead maybe we could leave room for some kind of detachable engine\/fuel tank on the hab module. This could be brought down seperately and attached on the surface in preperation for liftoff.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.627289088Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-13T05:36:21+0100", "id": "1261f09401ec0a7039a090a1f9582393", "post_id": "post-220848", "text": "Pablo49 said:Total Mass is 244050 KgSuper Edit:Hab Core: 13900 KgHab Modules(x2): 14300 KgCommunications Truss: 7500 KgSolaris(x2): 52000 kgCupola: 11800 KgService Module: 19000 KgTruss(x4): 1000 KgStorage Modules(x3): 10000Hab Nodes(x2): 2500 KgWork Modules(x2): 10000 KgTruss Node: 250 Kg\n\nwow thats a lot. It looks like an external drop tank is needed, but going off the calculations above, that means half an ares load and like a 16 or so minute burn. Ill crunch numbers later but that is most definitly plausable.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.16876032Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-08-30T22:03:24+0100", "id": "1b0bcc56a162f08ad4d751991b182668", "post_id": "post-252319", "text": "jinglesassy said:Some companies make motion simulators for about 30,000 us.\n\nAnd they're significantly higher quality than that thing and don't require dozens of hours of work to get set up.That's how things work. You can pay more to get it done professionally, or you can pay less and invest a lot of time to do it yourself. Not surprising.Keatah said:But track IR with a single monitor is pretty stupid, you end up looking back at the screen 'shifty-eyed' anyways. You need multiple monitors.\n\nHave you ever actually used a trackIR with a single monitor? I have glasses, so am fairly limited in how \"shifty-eyed\" I can get, and I have absolutely no problems with it. Far from \"stupid,\" it's an absolutely amazing experience and I can't live without it.Plus, since FSX doesn't support a single viewport spanning multiple monitors, and the TrackIR only affects one viewport, you can't have a TrackIR work very well with multiple monitors. Given the choice between a TrackIR with a single fairly large monitor, or multiple monitors, I'd have to go for the TrackIR.", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.666486784Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-05T04:10:21+0100", "id": "8388f111ff7106de6ffe1fd54d9ad855", "post_id": "post-220660", "text": "Urwumpe said:At least a few of the inflatables from UCGO... never a bad choice.Otherwise we modules that contain functions like:\n\nKey ;Red = Full develop(mesh\/texture)Green = Textures onlyorange =mixedFor ground;Green houses-UCGO cargoMed Bay-UCGO inflatable, just texture differencePower supply, power storage-Umm besides needing a battery, UCGO solar panelsHabitat -UCGO inflatableTool storage-Like a shed? Don't think it would be inflatable then, probably need its own makeoverRover garage-Same as above just biggerFuel storage-Huge drums would be good, like oil refinery style.In-situ fuel plant - GUI MinerWater plant-Could be the same drums as the fuel storage, just different textureCommunication-Big antennaBase command\/Administration-UCGO inflatable commandMeteorological office-:hmm:Workshop-:hmm:Galley-:hmm:Recreation-:hmm:UMMU respawning :lol: -I think it should be on Earth but that's just me :thumbup:Arnold Schwarzenegger for the terraforming project - With the sound \"look, sa reacter is melting sa ice\". :rofl:For MSS;Green houses -*Med Bay -*Power supply, power storage -*Habitat -*Tool storage -*Rover garage -inside ArrowFuel storage -[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2650\"]simple tank payload 2.5[\/nomedia]In-situ fuel plant- GUI Miner(packed?)Water plant-maybe a big cylinder that contains all the necessary parts to be deployed. (*?)Communication-Antenna?Base command\/Administration-inside ship*Meteorological office-*Workshop-*Galley-*Recreation-**=one ofhttp:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=13http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=15http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=32http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=53http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=60http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=72http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=63http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=64http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=61http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=62http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=67http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=69http:\/\/www.orbiterfrancophone.com\/index.php?disp=addons&id=66..or other candidatesThis obviously will take a bit of dev time... Anyone good at making meshes?Izack said:I vote 'Project Sagittarius' in lieu of NASA's habit for naming things after constellations (Gemini, Orion,Constellationfor crying out loud...)\n\nWell at least the constellations NASA picks are easy to pronounce;)Should get a list of candidate constellations going,Izack said:I've included averyrough sketch using a tiny laptop finger pad thing.\n\n:rofl: Urwumpe...Ashaman42 said:For moving some of the cargo from martian orbit to the surface would a simple heatshield\/capsule that could hold a number of ucgo cargos (be it 4 or 8 or whatever) work?I'm thinking drop the hardy stuff and then either start the base wherever it lands or fetch the stuff via rover to where we want the base to be.\n\nI think it would be more efficient if the heat shield\/capsule thing would have its own small eject-able engine. It might be less efficient to try to set the main-ship on its way to reentry just to line up the payload, and burn back up to orbit. This way, it would push itself into its own trajectory. Plus, this would make the landing precision much better. Preferably, landing of the cargo would be within 1km of the base\/target, so that we don't have to worry about really long drives to and from landing site. (otherwise drivers of cargo packing trucks wont have long drives. :thumbup:Also on that note, would it be nice to carry more than 2x cargo at once? Can we get a UCGO style electric semi going?Also, if anyone could tell me how exactly to insert an object using a text editor instead of the in-sim scenario editor, it would save me a bit of shame and aggravation\n\nSimplest way is to use copy-past:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.818729472Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-04-26T22:38:03+0100", "id": "7ebdcba0b949830cd3eee56fc15b8c81", "post_id": "post-219375", "text": "I think that we live in a world that is going to be better rather than worse. There is war and environmental destruction of course. At some places more, at some less, and in fact at most places none. But compared to the past century I think especially the developed world is as peaceful as almost never before. Almost nobody here in Europe certainly wants to live like an average citizen of the 19th century or the Middle Ages. I imagine that 100 years ago I would have been one of those who aimed for a one-way trip to the USA because they have seen the deep **** comming. Life has become rather easy and peaceful these days and I'm thankful rather than prone to be a sad naysayer. I do not see environmental pollution and wars causing the end of the world at all. I think that such thinking is a little bit too pessimistic\/exaggerated. Or I'm too much optimistic, but I doubt.Anyway, if a species is able to travel through universe fast, they may have seen things we possibly can't even imagine. They certainly might own resources we can only dream about. They may have seen more earth-like planets than we can imagine. So I don't think that our earth would make them be astonished, nor would they be deeply interested in it, well, in our non-renewable resources that are going to be exploited anyway. I think the most likeliest thing is that they would be surprised the same way we would be, to meet another intelligent species. That would be such a strange event that possibly would change our world and their world forever. I think it won't cause war at all, but quite careful and interesting meetings. Especially if they do not travel fast through space. If they would have been on the way for generations and ages, they wouldn't do anything but war. They would be just as amazed and careful as we would be.And hey, just imagine their spaceship would land, the hatches open and thousands of pretty females climb out of it...:cheers:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.239620608Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2008-05-27T22:30:57+0100", "id": "aa6114743dd246df6e1a1c9abb5f6a6e", "post_id": "post-69042", "text": "My apologies to Meshermitz, but are they displaying during the show?N.", "thread_id": 1629 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.14658048Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-04-27T13:16:55+0100", "id": "092da971933f90b90a0b43ecdd17ae8f", "post_id": "post-219651", "text": "Bj said:What gets me is how can they make up for the atmospheric distortions? Must be some pretty advanced stuff.\n\nWell, you know, it is extremely large - maybe it pokes out above the atmosphere?!:p", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.565986816Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2013-10-22T19:00:45+0100", "id": "bde9a59dad162a2fc55ff6c95cc56085", "post_id": "post-220436", "text": "The benefit of the SSTO would be for smaller payloads where the upper stage is not needed.\n\nLike ?Why pay $54 million, for wasted payload capability, when you only need the $40 million single stage launcher?\n\nAFAIK, the \"old\" R-7 can deliver 7,5 tons payloads to LEO (10 tons with the new Arianespace Soyuz facility at Kourou), light payloads to GTO, and is much cheaper than that.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.508965888Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-09-01T20:27:20+0100", "id": "86f56366b32d83cd77084dc0b6f966d3", "post_id": "post-252728", "text": "ok... now with the new version:GPU Name=NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT--Initializing precomputation...--Done.--Generating on gpu...Done, time=68790.8 per quad--Generating on cpu...Done, time=1179785.5 per quadthe GPU was considerably faster :thumbup:this is still on my work rig:salute:what are you using to pass the calculations to the GPU? i see it's not CUDA, since it works on non-NVidia :blink:", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.549395712Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-01T23:25:12+0100", "id": "3a5d93c771189c0a915ac64f456948c8", "post_id": "post-220081", "text": "Atlas (therealAtlas) was an engineering marvel. Unless I'm mistaken it remains the rocket with the best mass-ratio. Starting all the engines on the ground was indeed designed in from the beginning due to development risk for air-starting, but by the time the program was in production air-starting was pretty far along. Thus the Agena and Centaur upper stages later used with the Atlas.And as Urwumpe stated, the two booster engines were heavy beasts and jettisoning them made the system work. The fuel tank was very lightweight and used pressurization to achieve strength with low mass. The design was among the earliest rockets but it was so successful it flew unti 2004.Convair even studied the idea of a fly-back Atlas during all the space shuttle studies.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.557166848Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-04T22:45:04+0000", "id": "1b4c1b9921d85d4f1095269649384109", "post_id": "post-220332", "text": "RGClark said:Keep in mind the $100 to $200 per kg number is not arbitrary but is based on estimates by the SpaceX engineers of, for example, their understanding of the reusability of their engines, the most costly part of a rocket. Elon has said the Merlin should be reusable ten's of times.\n\nEstimates of Elon Musk impress me not at all - when he did so, I am impressed. Until that day, I have to assume that all he does is cooking with water like all the others. And is using cheaper, low technology gas generator cycle engines that can have a pretty long run time, but are no magic at all. They still run very hot, need expensive checks after each burn if you for example test them on the ground and can still explode if you mistreat them. Actually all photo and video evidence of the launches, which is the most solid evidence you have from SpaceX, since they keep most of the technical data of their launchers secret (for a reason), show no especially advanced launcher, just a company that applies Russian quality assurance on western technology (which is in case of SpaceX, using the worst of both worlds, since Russian rocket engines are much more advanced as the stuff they build).Also, if you can reuse your rocket engines 20 times, this does not make the rocket 20 times cheaper. And especially not the launch.The figure for NASA is like that: They pay 1.6 billion USD for 12 Falcon 9\/Dragon flights. That means 133 million per flight. That is in the same range as you pay for a Ariane 5 flight and 50% cheaper than an EELV flight. Worlds apart from the $100 per kg that you advocate by faith.Each Falcon 9 can haul 9,500 kg into space, this means every flight like that costs $14000 per kg - not even the $6000 that are accepted as low technological risk today. There is no number known about the launch costs without a dragon, and especially no number that is really business as usual.The estimates by SpaceX for the Falcon 9 without Dragon (not confirmed by any customer contract yet) are 35 million USD. That is $3600\/kg - a great number, right in the Russian price range. But not especially cheap.The lowest estimate by Spacex for the Falcon 9\/Heavy is 78 million with 24500 kg payload: $3200 kg. Conservative optimistic estimates from real engineers go to 120 million which is 50% higher, but more realistic, making the Falcon 9\/Heavy a whole lot cheaper as the current Ariane 5, with better performance, but that is still a number that has to be achieved first.Notice something?What SpaceX promises in their marketing mode, and what they really charge as price, are not the same at all.If you assume, SpaceX manages to (magically) reduce the costs by 5% every year (a pretty good value, it means it gets cheaper despite inflation), SpaceX would need 137 years to get that low. If spaceX manages to half the cost every year (which is after decades of spaceflight a tiny bit unrealistic), it would take just 4 years.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.7649728Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-27T15:22:29+0100", "id": "c53c0ca95a9497244149ca63f3229558", "post_id": "post-251425", "text": "Discovery News:Tiny Pieces Make a Big Difference in Mars LandingSPACE.com:Why Do We Keep Going Back to Mars?Curiosity Rover Will Sleuth for Clues to Water on Mars", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555408128Z", "author": "C3PO", "date": "2012-01-03T03:53:08+0000", "id": "749119b877e24b69fd23828b298f11d8", "post_id": "post-220308", "text": "The fact SpaceX managed to develop a ELV at 1\/10 of the \"normal\" cost doesn't guarantee that the same ratio will be possible with a manned craft, flyback stages, SSTOs, etc.A lot of the hard lessons were learnt during those 10x$ programmes. But as SpaceX ventures into unproven methods, I bet they will run into some unexpected problems that will push up the cost.Comparing the actual workforce for running a prototype like STS to a planned X-33 that has no final operational hardware built yet is a perfect example of nonsensical argument. I'm quite sure NASA didn't plan on that size of workforce for their once-a-week STS.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.577422848Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-06-12T05:20:18+0100", "id": "6881a5053eb8f433880e81e0927a77a4", "post_id": "post-220145", "text": "RGClark said:Perhaps you are thinking of a vehicle of the same size as the X-37B? It is known that if you can scale up a rocket you can improve your mass ratio.To have a SSTO, it is commonly said that for a hydrogen-fueled version you need a mass ratio of 10 to 1 and for a kerosene version you need a mass ratio of 20 to 1.It is important to remember also I am filling pretty much the entire internal volume with propellant, no payload bay or even avionics bay. So it's not just a matter of density of the propellant since you actually have more volume to hold the propellant.Bob Clark\n\nI just saw this on Hobbyspace.com:Boeing proposes SSTO system for AF RBS program.The new issue of Aviation Week has a brief blurb about a Boeing proposal for the Air Force's Reusable Booster System (RBS) program: Boeing Offers AFRL Reusable Booster Proposal - AvWeek - June.13.11 (subscription required).Darryl Davis, who leads Boeing's Phantom Works, tells AvWeek that they are proposing a 3-4 year technology readiness assessment that would lead up to a demonstration of a X-37B type of systembut would be smaller. Wind tunnel tests have been completed. Davis says the system would be a single stage capable of reaching low Earth orbit and, with a booster, higher orbits. The system would return to Earth as a glider.Davis says \"that advances in lightweight composites warrant another look\" at single-stage-to-orbit launchers.http:\/\/www.hobbyspace.com\/nucleus\/index.php?itemid=30110I don't have a subscription to AV Week. If anyone does perhaps they could look it up.I'm curious about the statement it would be \"smaller\" than the X-37B. I did some preliminary calculations that if you switched to kerosene fuel and a high efficiency engine such as the NK-33, and filled every scrap of internal volume with fuel, then a vehicle twice the size of the X-37B could be SSTO. I'm surprised they are able to get it to work with a smaller vehicle than the X-37B.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.017567744Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-02-16T08:16:13+0000", "id": "51a891678312948522acd19a5ecd1e77", "post_id": "post-252071", "text": "JPLnews:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56170752Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-06-04T10:20:55+0100", "id": "41debff416409e6a35055da7a3b76873", "post_id": "post-220390", "text": "No they aren't. They are the same as already produced vehicles. SpaceX deserves credit for producing a lightweight stage in the Falcon 9 first stage, but then they saddled it with engines no more efficient than those produced in the very earliest days of spaceflight.Orbital Sciences deserves credit for using the highly efficient NK-33 engine on their Taurus II, renamed the Antares, rocket, but then they saddled it with stages no more weight efficient than those from the very earliest days of spaceflight.To produce the SSTO you just do what's obvious: use both the most efficient engines and the most efficient stages at the same time.\n\nYou've made the very poor assumption that every space launch vehicle, its engines\/tankage\/etc, is equal in cost. This is wrong.You've argued the physics ad infinitum. Noone is actually doubting much of what you say there (mostly just the technical absurdity how you present the ease of marrying together different LV components).The main issue here is the economics- and in specific, the economics of an SSTO compared to a TSTO (since you have to justify the concept you are supporting compared to its competitors). And this analysis in the full sense is far more in-depth than any of the math you've done here.But from a basic viewpoint, reality is in your way: the more advanced technology that you require is obviously going to cost more than the less advanced technology that a TSTO requires. This is what has been argued by everyoneelsead infinitum.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.582540544Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-08-04T16:43:51+0100", "id": "1048154969b2ac02f82b68b7ea8e8900", "post_id": "post-220201", "text": "In regards to getting the most economical delivery of payload to orbit. Quite key here is that if you use the principle of usingboththe most lightweight stagesandthe most efficient enginesat the same timethen you can loft even more payload to orbit with your mult-stage launchers. Plus, the individual stages can now be used as SSTO's to loft smaller payloads at a lower cost than using the full multi-stage launchers.I mentioned before that SpaceX is using weight optimized design for their Falcon 9 launcher. They are getting a 20 to 1 mass ratio for the Falcon 9 first stage. And they expect to achieve a 30 to 1 mass ratio for the side boosters on their Falcon Heavy. If they had used high efficiency engines such as the NK-33 or the RD-180 instead of the Merlins on their Falcons they could lofteven morepayload to orbit as well as using the first stages or boosters alone as SSTO's to launch smaller payloads.It is notable that Elon Musk this week announced that SpaceX will be working on a \"super efficient\" engine which he says will allow reusable launchers that can bring the price to orbit down to $50 to $100 per pound, in the range of what I was saying. The key point is this is doablenowwith the high efficiency engines already existing and the lightweight stages already existing.August 03, 2011Looking at Spacex plans for Making Falcon Rockets Reusable to get to $50 per pound launch costs.http:\/\/nextbigfuture.com\/2011\/08\/looking-at-spacex-plans-for-making.htmlAugust 02, 2011Elon Musk of Spacex talks about a Reusable Falcon Heavy to get to $50 a pound to space.Two technology areas Musk didn\u2019t like were lifting bodies\/wings and nuclear rockets.On the former, he said he was a \u201cvertical takeoff, vertical landing\u201d type guy and eschewed wings since they had to be tailored for each planet\u2019s atmosphere and were useless on airless bodies such as the Moon.Drawbacks to nuclear power included the need for shielding (heavy), water (heavy), and public objections against launching nuclear fuel on a rocket.\u201cIt\u2019s a tricky thing getting a reactor up there with a ton of uranium,\u201d Musk said and went on to say while nuclear power would be useful for Mars or lunar operations, he implied that some assembly (i.e., mining and processing fuel off planet) would be required.\u200b\n\n\u200bhttp:\/\/nextbigfuture.com\/2011\/08\/elon-musk-of-spacex-talks-about.htmlc.f.,SSTO's would have made possible Arthur C. Clarke's vision of 2001.http:\/\/orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?p=281049&postcount=78Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.418755328Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2011-01-22T12:31:30+0000", "id": "a42a6babaae59a172723ffc112b87148", "post_id": "post-252491", "text": "Ah, you are too kind, sir ;-) 'Tis done.", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.651982336Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-12T12:44:45+0100", "id": "7dfc9e97c65e7d9e344780438bced654", "post_id": "post-221048", "text": "Ashaman42 said:The rock miner comes in a packed cargo box of 1000kg and the ore mill requires 4 packed boxes of a 1000kg each.\n\nThat's a lot lighter than I expected. In that case the Ares I isn't necessary. For 5 tonnes of equipment, and I'm guessing the SMEV isn't any bigger than 5 tonnes itself, Than 25.4 tonnes of carrying capacity (Ares I) is more than a little overkill...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.627115008Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-13T04:23:45+0100", "id": "48bddea86a064aa2fde28989a30b6e77", "post_id": "post-220846", "text": "Bloodworth said:I think aerobreaking the stack would be a mistake. A stack simply is not intended to take that kind of stress. Heatshields or not, the sheer stress of plunging that thing into the atmosphere would rip it apart. It is afterall held together mostly with airlocks and other assorted docking ports. The sheer size of the heatshield needed (even if it is inflatable) is space and weight that could be better used elsewhere or left behind altogether.\n\nMy sentiments exactly. Expecially with the solar panels out like that, more like huge sails.Pablo (or anyone else), since you have all the modules already built, can you give a estimate of the weight of each individual module there? Perhaps all we need is a little more fuel and\/or second engine.---------- Post added at 08:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:21 PM ----------Pablo49 said:We could use that Hohmann (it's a verb now, btw) idea but send unmanned cargo to LMObeforewe send crew. Launch the storage modules and such over a couple trips, then send the hab modules last with the astronauts in them.\n\nI figured the storage modules would be for food, water, O2... :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.923855872Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2012-08-06T06:53:53+0100", "id": "e5699e8de4a0c8fd20ddcd1c144f75db", "post_id": "post-251643", "text": "Where did they put the descent stage down?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.659588352Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-03T15:01:08+0100", "id": "ecaef30ddc388e7cd4245a9f28a598da", "post_id": "post-220596", "text": "I think the stack idea would be more interesting than using the Arrow or another big unrealistic spacecraft, because it would mean more missions for assembly in earth orbit and the need for dedicated landers, thus there could be more pilots. But whatever the decision this looks promising and I would like to fly a mission or two if possible. Also, as far as teraforming goes, I think Urwumpe is right.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.653649664Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-12T21:11:03+0100", "id": "fc43414019ce5f09d89a0b733b59e237", "post_id": "post-221061", "text": "Salun said:Call me Crazy but the way most people talk about its final orbit is circular. When it comes to saving fuel I vote for a highly eccentric elliptical orbit. One that would also a few times provide flybys the Martian moons. It should save fuel on MOI and if it were a real mission provide opportunity to study Mars Surface and its moons. Which are pretty much asteroids.\n\nI, too, would like to study martian moons. I wouldn't want to place this in a priority position, but if it can be accomplished without majorly changing mission plans, I'm all for it. Perhaps a probe can detach from the stack once we're in mars orbit, then rejoin before returning? I don't know if that is realistic, because I'm not that caught up on the mission plan. But if we're gonna be in that part of the neighborhood, why not :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.925758976Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-08-06T07:18:00+0100", "id": "d982003c5a5f353bbc197aef8a431568", "post_id": "post-251656", "text": "Does anybody have a status of the rover itself?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.815830528Z", "author": "willy88", "date": "2010-04-26T15:21:00+0100", "id": "5ebf7b97546e67a0cee40495feb4d909", "post_id": "post-219344", "text": "Perhaps the aliens would try to avoidus, in order to prevent the same kind of disaster that happened with Native Americans, for example.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.81433088Z", "author": "martins", "date": "2010-04-26T12:05:47+0100", "id": "447a0d0ad3c06d8bf51f19596b4d7b0d", "post_id": "post-219329", "text": "Looks like Steven Hawking isn't a fan of SETI:http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/hi\/uk\/8642558.stm", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.938615808Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-08-07T01:32:21+0100", "id": "77a4ae1c74dc408f66caea6882ebaa89", "post_id": "post-251735", "text": "Mattyv said:Curiosity's Descent - YouTubeSweet! NASA is really outdoing themselves this time.\n\nWow, that was kind of cool, even if the last few seconds were hard to decipher. The heat shield sure dropped away real fast!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.083592448Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-08-13T23:36:40+0100", "id": "37525e598cfeec793a6ccf4a2770a10b", "post_id": "post-219543", "text": "Back on topic:[ame=\"http:\/\/vimeo.com\/13888708\"]Journey through Canyons on Vimeo[\/ame]", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.280814336Z", "author": "carlpilot", "date": "2010-04-27T21:20:15+0100", "id": "c901ab50dd80b380e8ca0ed74af4f9b5", "post_id": "post-219749", "text": "I have Anim8or and am trying to make a simple launch vehicle that works.Is it possible to make a working rocket with Anim8or or will I need another program\/programs?I don't have much money to spend on software so any freeware suggestions are most welcome.Thanks in advance,Carlpilot", "thread_id": 14037 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.500455936Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-09-01T20:55:41+0100", "id": "2ce346ecf798f78d04c7422cd0035828", "post_id": "post-252702", "text": "Oh look, it's the \"nothing to hide\" argument. If you've nothing to hide, please post your full real name ans social security number, address, credit card number, photos of your passport and driver's licence, and all of your browsers' histories for good measure.That argument is invalid. And while you could argue that you can protect yourself from privacy breaches by just not posting private info on an antisocial networking site, that isn't the case with Dropbox, because you're deliberately installing an application on your computer that you know will communicate with an undisclosed server. And you can only hope it only takes what you nicely asked it to take.", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560291328Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-02-10T15:02:42+0000", "id": "f486a021a549592c4ff9fead6857f8f3", "post_id": "post-220368", "text": "T.Neo said:I see nothing amiss there. Except this:Musk is nuts. :rofl:\n\nActually what he says there makes sense, assuming he does return the first stage to the launch site, based on the experience with the engines on the DC-X:DC-X NewsJune 23rd, 1993Demonstrating fast turnaround between flights is also a major DC-X objective. May 26th's eight-hour fire\/defuel\/service\/refuel\/fire cycle time goes a long way toward that goal too.\"We were pleased with the vehicle's performance as well as the ease with which we can turn it around between tests. We're realizing the benefits that come from designing the system to be totally reusable.\" -- Pete Conrad, DC-X flight manager.\u200b\"The entire DC-X system, including avionics, software, hydraulics, propellant feed systems, engines, and sub-systems met or exceeded our expectations. Through this rigorous series of tests we learned how to efficiently service the vehicle and quickly load and unload propellant. We acquired extensive data showing that the vehicle's operations, support and maintenance features will help us to achieve our goal of aircraft-like operations.\" -- Paul Klevatt, DC-X program manager.\u200b\n\nhttp:\/\/www.islandone.org\/SpaceAccessUpdates\/930623-DCXN.htmlBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.600837376Z", "author": "Wally", "date": "2010-05-12T09:49:42+0100", "id": "c1ce97e6fb25202dcfc9dab51ce9a271", "post_id": "post-220521", "text": "I'm not familiar with IMFD (yet), but thanks for the tips, I will try with Attitude MFD, it's been on my queue for some time.Also, I think a lower thrust can be obtain via the CTRL key, not Shift:)", "thread_id": 14081 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.03510144Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-11-14T04:40:58+0000", "id": "28e483cbc32b53ea8209d8e74649722e", "post_id": "post-252120", "text": "Universe Today:A Guided Aerial Tour of Curiosity\u2019s Journey So Far on MarsNASA JPL:Curiosity Out of Safe ModeNovember 12, 2013Mars Science Laboratory Mission Status ReportNASA's Mars Science Laboratory Project received confirmation from Mars Sunday (Nov. 10) that the Curiosity rover has successfully transitioned back into nominal surface operations mode. Curiosity had been in safe mode since Nov. 7, when an unexpected software reboot (also known as a warm reset) occurred during a communications pass with the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Mission science planning will resume tomorrow, and Curiosity science operations will recommence on Thursday.\"We returned to normal engineering operations,\" said Rajeev Joshi, a software and systems engineer for the Curiosity mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. \"We are well into planning the next several days of surface operations and expect to resume our drive to Mount Sharp this week.\"After analyzing the data returned by the spacecraft on Thursday evening, Nov. 7 (Pacific Time), the Curiosity operations team was able to determine the root cause. An error in existing onboard software resulted in an error in a catalog file. This caused an unexpected reset when the catalog was processed by a new version of flight software which had been installed on Thursday. The team was able to replicate the problem on ground testbeds the following day. Commands recovering the spacecraft were uplinked to the spacecraft early Sunday morning.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.583048448Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-08-07T20:14:43+0100", "id": "7174883fea4a7addd945e12c52ed795f", "post_id": "post-220208", "text": "T.Neo said:Do we really need to operate spacecraft as amateurs though? This is what RGClark has stated (or is at least implying), but I can imagine many levels of operation that are not nearly as simple as a very small-scale private operation, that are still much better than the current state(s) of where spaceflight is at.\n\nWell, it is the extreme, isn't it? A platinum coated titanium bullet with diamond heat shield tiles would sure also be possible, but for what?T.Neo said:That said, your super-expensive hyper-intensive maintainance operations and accidental metal-chip production machines will come down in price with time... of course there will always be limits and more intensive systems will always cost more, but the more experience is gained, the better things will become.\n\nLet me tell you an old German fairy tale:After a senior engineer retired, the machine that this engineer supervised failed. Despite all attempts of the younger engineers and technicians, nothing worked, and the alternative started to become buying a new machine for a few million Euro. The owner of the company saw the proposed solution and was not willed to get deeply in debts without fighting, so he called the retired engineer, if he couldn't do anything there.The engineer arrived, looked a few minutes at everything, measured a few things, pushed against some parts and then marked a part of the machine with chalk and said \"Replace this axle and all will be fine again\". The technicians did as told, and suddenly, the machine was running as good as a new one.The engineer went to his former employer, and produced a bill over 10,000 Euro for his work. The company owner was surprised, after all, he didn't do anything except making a chalk mark. The engineer explained the bill in detail:Chalk - 1\u20acKnowing where to put the mark - 9,999\u20acNow the company owner was enlightened and paid the bill.Experience and skills together are extremely rare and extremely valuable. And they define their price.Also, you have to look at the physical aspects there: The more performance you want, the less tolerances for errors you get. Performance is not just brute force alone, but also effectivity. The more effective your spacecraft should get, the more effective have its parts to get. The whole is maybe more than just the sum of all parts, but still you can't use junk parts alone with only junk skills of your engineers.The math is pretty simple there: The less chamber pressure you have available, the less effective your rocket will be because the exhaust has less energy per kg. At the same time, a higher pressure means a lighter rocket engine for the same thrust. without pumps, you can't get very high chamber pressures, you are limited by the tank pressure and the structural mass.For anything worth talking as SSTO or TSTO, you will need pumps, simply because the limitations of pressure-fed will be ugly. for pumps, you have the same downsizing: the higher your rotor speed, the smaller and lighter a pump can get for the same pressure change and mass flow. Also, for turbo-pumps, a higher rotor speed means the turbine can run faster and be more effective.So, you are pretty soon getting in hells kitchen: If you want less good parts, the parts will get heavier or the performance of your spacecraft has to drop. When the parts get heavier, you need more performance from the other parts to compensate or the spacecraft performance will drop.Now the annoying part starts as well: For a TSTO, you can compensate a performance drop of your second stage by making the first stage better (or the other way around). But there are limits. A SSTO has no such option, it can only try finding a better planet to launch from.Thus, a first stage, that could for example haul a single low-performance second stage into its launch window, could also maybe carry two higher-performance vehicles with the same payload each. Or you could grow an existing first stage for something obsolete and low-performing into something that can launch two modern second stages. or shrink to become more effective itself.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.617122048Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2010-05-09T03:06:01+0100", "id": "69df44c9ac5edbfb960bbd3ee69221b7", "post_id": "post-220758", "text": "Urwumpe said:(Also, I think it is far too soon for that question. It would be better to ask it again, when we know which missions are planned. Maybe all people want to fly the same mission, but nobody another less prestigious one.)\n\nBut that was kind of the point: Find out what kind of missions people *want* to fly, design a program around that, and leave the boring stuff that nobody wants to do out, or schedule a few missions for the people that want to do it.If more people want to do interplanetary flights than assembly flights, schedule a long-term program with lots of interplanetary flights starting with the spacecraft already assembled in orbit. If more people want to do assembly flights than interplanetary flights, do fewer (maybe even one) interplanetary flights with several assembly missions per flight.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.4405952Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-03T00:15:11+0100", "id": "cb00cff033ae647b534c45c2624612ae", "post_id": "post-252564", "text": "Kyle said:So only the original Delta Glider has the local lights right? Or am I missing something?\n\nIf you ask whether other versions of DeltaGlider have local lights, then also DG-XR1 has local lights defined.If you ask if only DeltaGlider of the stock vessels has local lights, then no, also stock Atlantis uses local light sources for engines.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5853376Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-09-06T22:32:50+0100", "id": "a86db4332bb379b9e9d019aaf9b2cbe5", "post_id": "post-220232", "text": "This will allow us to add a Dragon-sized capsule and also the reentry and landing systems to make it reusable.\n\nTo make the Dragon reusable, or make the whole vehicle reusable?I have a feeling that to make the whole vehicle reusable, you would need a good deal more mass.Also, did you include the extra piping and support structure for those two extra Vulcains? You can't just slap extra engines onto a rocket.Does anyone have any data on how much the piping and support structure of a launch vehicle weigh? I haven't been able to find this data so far.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586201088Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-14T20:29:12+0100", "id": "7de32493f2316a43eeb9a176af6d65b1", "post_id": "post-220244", "text": "RGClark said:You'll have to give to give me a reference on that one. What I saw was that use of composites did result in weight savings in the Dreamliner that will result in reduced fuel usage compared to a comparably sized aircraft.\n\n[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Boeing_787_Dreamliner\"]Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame][ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Boeing_767\"]Boeing 767 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame][ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Airbus_A330\"]Airbus A330 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]The question on the 787 is: Could you have build such wings without composites? I think no. But the composite hull for PR reasons should have been scrapped. No weight advantage there and lots of expensive maintenance in service.RGClark said:Certainly, Rutan has shown weight savings in his aircraft and now with his spacecraft using composites.\n\nRutan could also make a lead aircraft fly. This isn't really about the material. Also most sail planes are also made of composites today, because of weight constraints, but still, you have to differ there a lot HOW the material is used.A thrust structure made of composites for example (which is one of the heaviest structures in a rocket), would fail after a few seconds, regardless how strong you make it. Composites don't like strong vibrations. Same problem if you have a moving part that needs a certain hardness. Temperature resistance can be a problem. you can use composites for some decoupled structures that don't experience the full vibrations. But alone aerodynamic vibrations can mean a lot of trouble for simple composites structures.If you properly combine composite structures with metal structures, you save weight. But there is not much room for composites in rockets. Some interstages work great, but tank structures of composites alone are pretty impossible, cryogen temperatures neutralize all advantages of composites and make them much weaker as comparable metal tanks.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.629613824Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-09-05T22:43:36+0100", "id": "33eaa553378a60e1d9809ab9819dfff0", "post_id": "post-253018", "text": "Why do you wanna know? Are you.... STAY PUFTS EVILER TWIN!!!!?Darren", "thread_id": 16341 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.617360896Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-09T08:48:32+0100", "id": "84115ab5661410f6c045de0ec9987717", "post_id": "post-220761", "text": "Linguofreak said:But that was kind of the point: Find out what kind of missions people *want* to fly, design a program around that, and leave the boring stuff that nobody wants to do out, or schedule a few missions for the people that want to do it.If more people want to do interplanetary flights than assembly flights, schedule a long-term program with lots of interplanetary flights starting with the spacecraft already assembled in orbit. If more people want to do assembly flights than interplanetary flights, do fewer (maybe even one) interplanetary flights with several assembly missions per flight.\n\nYes, but that doesn't work out, once you try to play the missions. You need to have a concept, and then assign the people by skills and preferences into it. Otherwise, you will get a pretty boring program, and the people will divide into two groups:Those who are constantly stressed because they opted to fly missions that are too hard for their skills, without chances to downgrade, since the poll was used for deciding the mission shape.Those who are not having room to improve their skills because they are assigned only to easy missions, and never have to learn do something better.I think opinion polls are nice, but irrelevant for planning such things. You would need to apply some filtering and own experience yourself in the planning anyway.Also, the poll is pretty useless since it is the first time we do something like that. Nobody has any experience with such missions and does not know yet how it will develop.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.816969472Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T17:54:36+0100", "id": "f377b314e03d6dd9f1919a16f3534aae", "post_id": "post-219356", "text": "The DNA that you carry, influences also your brain -> your way of thinking -> the way you behave as \/ in society.\n\nAh, the old nature vs. nurture debate.Of course an alien species is going to differ in terms of nurture, but they will have fundamental similarities with humans, in terms of both psychology and society.Society isn't wholly determined by psychology. A lot of it is determined by history and ideologies.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.552586752Z", "author": "flytandem", "date": "2011-01-10T21:25:43+0000", "id": "0978bebc80a6393ba4d7fde306e3d9e3", "post_id": "post-252909", "text": "2399! wow. Better than my best shot at it might ever be. I saw in the playback you had a very high Ap after the orbit insertion at the moon. I had tried that but found the resulting position of the craft wandered unpredictably and took more fuel to keep on track than the savings. But you managed to do it. Great.My 2429 had the first Ap about 6 moon diameters and had some savings for the plane change and the rendezvous happened fairly quickly, but you definitely had better savings from that higher Ap.:cheers:", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.135282944Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-04-27T03:17:19+0100", "id": "d56acaa81e9a64d99bab1ea238dd2ccc", "post_id": "post-219633", "text": "Getting inspired? Hard to say, I think the best way to get motivated for freely developing software is to listen\/read the constant comments that you might have. I think the thought of everyone drooling over the Arrow got Dan motivated. :tiphat:Deep down though its a matter if you want to rather than need to. Personally I am working 46 hours a week + full time student + whatever random jobs on the side which could account as high as 20 hours a week. Quite simply, all I want to do is sleep, so that's all I do.;)Best advice; do it when you want to do it, don't force yourself to do anything you don't want to do. Otherwise you will just end up hating it.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14023 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.553772544Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-12-09T17:28:55+0000", "id": "f62717b472dd0068fdcc27b218a94675", "post_id": "post-220289", "text": "You ask me this me every time, I tell you every time and you ignore the fact that I told you like a half dozen times before.It's coming from reusability.\n\nYes, but here is what annoys me about your claims: you treat reusability as if it is some magic phenomena that cuts costs by two orders of magnitude, magically.This is emphatically not the case, and STS is the concrete evidence of this fact. The expendable parts of STS weren't the problem here, it was rather how the reusable parts needed to be treated.To have any benefit from reusability, you need to do it correctly. There are many ways you can fail and many ways you could succeed. This is what makes your \"the cut of two orders of magnitude comes from reusability\" claim even more annoying.This is why I ask you time, and time, and time again, for the calculation(s) that you performed that led to the \"two orders of magnitude\" statement. \"It comes from reusability\" is no calculation, it is just an empty claim. The more extraordinary something is, the more extraordinary evidence it needs behind it.The low cost, expendable test version is important because it will show not only that SSTO's are possible\n\nThe expendable test version would be a total waste of time, better to test out subscale models\/construction techniques to verify predictive calculations and estimations of mass.in fact they can be done at high payload fraction.\n\nThis is your claim, and as I understand it, a pretty dubious one.you had so much payload that you could add reentry\/landing systems and still have significant payload left over.\n\nAgain, your claim, and one that I have trouble believing. Have you ever calculated the mass of these systems?Conservatively, and not with \"modern materials magically cut this mass in half\"?I think it's been shown that reusability (in present form of the words) is still somewhat mythological.\n\nIt isn't mythological just because it hasn't been done right before (unless you ask Mike Griffin). The SSME took a high performance, bleeding-edge-of-technology engine and tried to make it reusable. And on top of that, they increased the throttle rating to increase payload.So there's no wonder the engine required such intense refurbishment. It doesn't necessarily have to correlate with other engines, but it can correlate with high performance ones, which is generally why you don't want to stick to those.There are other options: for example, you could run the SSME at a 70% throttle setting throughout the flight. This will reduce T\/W and ISP (a bit), and make the engine grossly overdesigned for this role, but this could help both with reusability and reliability.TheCommon Evolved Cryogenic Engine(CECE, an RL-10 derivative) is listed on the PWR website as having a service life of 10 000 seconds, and 50 in-space starts.This is enough for perhaps 20 flights, including a two-burn trajectory.Inthis threadon the NSF forums, it is said that the RS-68 has a flight rating of 1200 seconds, a maximum burn time certification of 1800 seconds, and has been tested to a maximum of 2400 seconds and 8 starts (unfortunately the link provided as a source no longer seems available). The limiting factor in the RS-68's maximum burn time is most probably the ablative nozzle, and even at a maximum of 1200 seconds, you can fit in four whole 250 second burns.The limiting factor in actually making the RS-68 reusable is probably a lack of access panels, etc.So if you have a $10-30 million engine (and RL-10s are relatively cheap), that you could reuse 20 times or more for only a bit of inspection between each flight, you could achieve pretty significant cost savings. Still not down to two orders of magnitude less- for that, you'd probably have to amortise the cost of the hardware over perhaps something like 1000 flights.I'm not saying that is impossible- maybe an enginecouldexist someday that could be robust enough and with good enough monitoring systems to withstand and that have a low refurbishment cost, but if you look at the RL-10, it is a pretty low performance engine- in terms of ISP it is quite good, but it has a far lower chamber pressure than say the SSME (640 psi on the RL-10-B2, compared to 3280 psi on the SSME), and makes up for it with a high expansion ratio (the RL-10 is a vacuum engine so this doesn't matter, the flip side is that it cannot be used from takeoff and is thus unsuitable for an SSTO unless it has athrust augmented nozzle).RGClark keeps saying that with the highest performance engines around, SSTO can be created and costs can be reduced by two orders of magnitude. But \"highest performance\" and \"cost reduction\" just don't jive. You don't want to have to select for the highest performance around, but rather the most reliable, practical system.The thing is, SSTO only makes economic sense for reusability, and the reason it is attractive for reusability is because it simplifies the recovery and re-launch process. However, if you have to deal with the burden of extra costs from the propulsion side for example, this advantage could quickly diminish and won't be worth it at all.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.868063232Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-06T06:26:50+0100", "id": "acf9cf660bc53e0fa2fd2129f0ef1ed2", "post_id": "post-251569", "text": "That was the end of peak heating and acceleration. The spacecraft reached 11 to 12 Gs.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.473039104Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-30T09:08:07+0100", "id": "0701c1efbadcad77ca47544a31d98165", "post_id": "post-219926", "text": "Yeah, it always begins with government making money look like sweets envelopes...:rolleyes:", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.584513024Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-08-24T20:02:32+0100", "id": "49146719417a9b8470d044fe27abd8b6", "post_id": "post-220222", "text": "RGClark said:It would be a truly watershed moment just creating a SSTO even if it doesn't carry much payload. It wouldn't have to be anything extensive like perhaps what Boeing is planning with their X-37B derivedSSTO.A small one could be demonstrated by amateur science or technical organizations, for instance by the British Interplanetary Society, or the Planetary Society.The Planetary Society is spending about $5.8 million total on their two attempts at solar sail demonstators:Cosmos 1.Cosmos 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaLightSail-1.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/LightSail-1#CreationA small SSTO demonstrator that could carry a few hundred pound payload could be developed for less than this amount and would be far more important for it would show that low cost SSTO's are possible.In fact the organization developing it could even make money on it because they could use it to launch small scientific payloads.\n\nFor the purpose of just making the demonstration it might work to make the vehicle half the size of the one I described here:http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?p=292116&postcount=136So it would use one RD-0242 engine, have a propellant load about 10,000 kg, and, perhaps, have a dry weight of 475 kg. However, vehicle dry weights don't scale linearly. Scaling a vehicle up actually improves your mass ratio. So by making the vehicle half-scale we probably would not get as good a mass ratio, i.e., the dry mass would likely be more than just half that of the full sized vehicle.In addition to the amateur science organization funded test SSTO's, it might be funded as an X-prize competition. This might have the same effect as the Ansari X-Prize had in spurring commercial suborbital ventures. It would spur manned commercial orbital ventures.However, these would need high performance turbopump fed engines. This is an entire level of difficulty above that of the suborbital rockets which just use pressure-fed engines. In fact the complexity of turbopump fed engines have led rocket engineers to opine \"orbital launchers are turbopump developments with rockets attached\".I recommend teams attempting the venture engage in partnerships with Aerojet or Pratt & Whitney who have experience with high chamber pressure, turbopump-fed engines, especially of the Russian type. They both also have experience in converting an engine from one fuel to another, Aerojet with the conversion of the Titan II engines from kerosene to hypergolics, and Pratt & Whitney more recently with the conversion of the Apollo lunar lander engines from hypergolics to methane.Their costs would be partially defrayed by the amount of the X-prize. This prize amount should at least be that of the $30 million total prize money offered for the Google Lunar X-Prize competition, since its importance greatly exceeds it. Note too for such prize competitions the amount spent by the teams often exceeds that offered by the prize. They could also be offered a portion of the profits that would come from development of the vehicles as small payload orbital launchers.For this prototype test vehicle you probably would not need to use the SpaceX weight optimized Falcon 1 first stage since you just want to get positive payload to orbit. Interestingly I found that Armadillo Aerospace has successfully used common bulkhead design which saves significantly on tank weight for their suborbital test rockets. They would be a good choice for a low cost stage.However, Armadillo has not been successful in their last two suborbital test flights, apparently due to failures in guidance and control. Though Armadillo apparently has solved this for hovering vehicles, it is a significantly more difficult problem for a vehicle traveling at high speed. I recommend a partnership with the MIT Draper labs. They did the G & C for the Apollo missions. More recently they are engaged in partnerships to win the Google Lunar X-Prize.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 07:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:40 AM ----------A common estimate is that orbital flight is an order of magnitude more difficult than suborbital flight, as measured for example by the energy requirements. On that basis a prize for a commercial manned flight to orbit might be 10 times that of the suborbital X-Prize, so to $100 million. This is actually probably doable considering that the required engines and stages already exist to do it as an SSTO.Another source for funding might be Bigelow Aerospace. Bigelow had offered a prize in 2004 of $50 million for a commercial reusable manned launcher to orbit. The prize though expired in January 2010 with no takers:America's Space Prize.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/America's_Space_PrizeHowever, the original Orteig Prize for a non-stop cross Atlantic flight also expired with no takers. It was the second offer of the prize for an additional 5 year period which was won by Lindbergh.Then Bigelow could offer the manned space flight prize for an additional 5 year period. But the original conditions for the prize were probably too ambitious. Bigelow appeared to want manned transport craft to his Bigelow space hotels to be fully developed from the winner of the prize in his requiring a 5 man vehicle. However, following the example of the suborbital X-Prize, just accomplishing a small 1 man test flight would be sufficient to serve as an impetus for commercial ventures to invest in developing such launchers aside from the prize.Then I suggest Bigelow lower the requirement to only needing a single crew member. This would allow multiple test flights before a manned flight is attempted.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.014805504Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-01-10T20:37:23+0000", "id": "7f2ef0bd5c3684629f73219f574c2f96", "post_id": "post-252062", "text": "JPLnews:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.503802368Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-04-30T12:06:36+0100", "id": "a04168bb965cf09108abd92e8a0377e8", "post_id": "post-220019", "text": "That was awesome :rofl:shangding said:i see it ,and i want to laugh,but i can't ,i'm a chinese.\n\nYou can't laugh at your own people? We do it all the time down here - there's plenty laugh at to be honest:pGhostrider said:That will make the Chinese version of MacGyver so totally not hard to spot.\n\nMacGyver with a shovel would be horribly over-equipped :dry:EDIT: I should mention the Australian Defence Force version: theField Ration Eating Device (FRED)", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.625803264Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-12T06:25:25+0100", "id": "b55ffef007ca062e3dd22b337bfb30d7", "post_id": "post-220834", "text": "Bj said:How so?I'm thinking those satellites that came with DGIV (I think) would work good too. Ill add it to the list:cheers:Yes think of it this way, if we have 98,900kg absolute maximum, with only a single tank load, that is much less than a single payload from the Ares V. So what is that, like 4 modules space shuttle sized?Note: after a quick check, if we load a AresV full of fuel (160,000kg) onto the MSS, we can jump our payload up to 484,474kg.Which makes me think, how long of a burn would it take for so much fuel?Reversing Specific impulse equation:[math]1500000\/9.18 = 1797.38 * \\frac{42000+160000}{\\bigtriangleup t} [\/math][math] ~90.91 = \\frac{202000}{\\bigtriangleup t} [\/math]which turns to ~2221.98 seconds or 37.03 minutes. Ouch:blackeye:... but still doable.Well anyway more planning tomorrow.\n\nMaybe with the launch from earth(Or moon) We can add a little power with SRB's that disengage like the shuttles after fuel consumption. Great way to add a lot of power with minimal weight gain.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.245929472Z", "author": "SolarStorm", "date": "2010-09-16T08:26:18+0100", "id": "cdeff7a2a40617cc10233bf4b6abf6b2", "post_id": "post-252380", "text": "I'm trying to make my ship (actually a purely atmospheric aircraft to start with) as aerodynamicly realistic as possible. Sure I want it to look good, butmymain goal (for now) is to make it fly as the real version did. I've got as much data as I can about it's performance, but now I need to try and put that into orbiter, and if what Moach is saying is right, then it sounds like I need to use C++ for this. First time for everything I guess...", "thread_id": 16290 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.504201984Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-04-30T16:03:52+0100", "id": "99bd2656b282be8204f8d54630c49fb5", "post_id": "post-220022", "text": "That is a pretty awesome little tool!I want one!I don't know what I'd use it for, but I want one anyway!:p", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.636190976Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-19T22:21:12+0100", "id": "cf7bd76aa57593f636d379e27ee06684", "post_id": "post-220911", "text": "If we are going to land in the vicinity of a Mars lander than I think it should be Viking (seeing how it was, I think, the first man made object to land on Mars). To this end I will create a preliminary surface base near the Viking landing site.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.326381568Z", "author": "Kyle", "date": "2008-07-17T01:46:21+0100", "id": "7e2a40b8d41c829b62d9f0b054796259", "post_id": "post-69054", "text": "Oh my god, its increadbile, I cant find any other words to describe it.", "thread_id": 1630 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.585869568Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-14T04:03:50+0100", "id": "1aed1f943c14d6a483c2918520512744", "post_id": "post-220239", "text": "Loru said:seriously - create a blog.If SSTO is such a good idea from engineering\/economic point of view why we haven't got one already?\n\nBoeing believes it might be doable:Boeing proposes SSTO system for AF RBS program.The new issue of Aviation Week has a brief blurb about a Boeingproposal for the Air Force's Reusable Booster System (RBS) program:Boeing Offers AFRL Reusable Booster Proposal - AvWeek - June.13.11(subscription required).\"Darryl Davis, who leads Boeing's Phantom Works, tells AvWeek thatthey are proposing a 3-4 year technology readiness assessment thatwould lead up to a demonstration of a X-37B type of systembut would be smaller. Wind tunnel tests have been completed. Davissays the system would be a single stage capable of reaching low Earthorbit and, with a booster, higher orbits. The system would return toEarth as a glider.Davis says \"that advances in lightweight composites warrant anotherlook\" at single-stage-to-orbit launchers.\"http:\/\/www.hobbyspace.com\/nucleus\/index.php?itemid=30110A key technology that has to be accomplished is an altitude compensation method that doesn't add too much to the engine weight. Note that Reaction Engines is investigating one possibility with the expansion-deflection nozzle for their Skylon vehicle. I'll discuss some other possibilities in a following post.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 03:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:53 AM ----------Urwumpe said:RGClark: If real engineering would be really that easy, my coworkers and me would be out of work, since just a single beard with a whiteboard is enough. Luckily, the real world is so complex, that we can't just stop employing new specialists here, despite us only doing CAx services for many more engineers at the actual projects - good work is always rewarded with more work, and real engineering is a lot of work.Your first order estimates here already fail to correlate with any experience values, so don't you think you should better calm down a bit, take a deep breath and then calculate really conservatively?If you think that it is below your dignity to do proper CAE on your first-order estimates to prove that you are right despite the conservative first-order estimates being far away from your claims: There are always people like my company to do the dirty numerical work for you and let you concentrate on the decision-making. But be aware: Specialists cost money, because while we like our job, we like our job to be profitable.\n\nI don't agree with that. Conservative estimates say you can do it withcurrently existingstages and engines. Use of composites just gives you better payload fraction.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.643666176Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-27T02:03:44+0100", "id": "808f312120b55ae447707b72ad8845e3", "post_id": "post-220975", "text": "Urwumpe said:A point which I think requires some redesign: The cargo boxes in the Wiki are currently showing many elements, including rare noble gases or rare metals, which we will hardly find on Mars in large numbers. Maybe we should abstract rarer cargos into categories which group many of them. At the same time, we have no cargo boxes reserved for any useful tools or consumables, alloys or molecules. For example, we could use spare CO2 filter beds for regular maintenance. We could need tins with selected minerals for preparing green houses. We have not a single box with medical supplies in the list.\n\nThat's not a problem. I went ahead and made a basic template (though it's not quite done yet...I'm in the middle of a move so progress is slow), and I just need to fill in whatever labels are needed. Whenever the list is finalised I'll give it a shot.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.453447936Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-01T03:12:24+0100", "id": "0837469576a6fbbd8c41f0da1179b0dc", "post_id": "post-252585", "text": "Belated:welcome:to Orbiter-Forum!No renal activites of any kind around here, please! Or we'll have to quarantine the Meets & Greets subforum!", "thread_id": 16309 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6483904Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-09T02:26:34+0100", "id": "48ed1c993248fcd56e980bb3cde5d641", "post_id": "post-221016", "text": "Yes, it looks like 2010 is the platform of choice. However, I thought we had opted out of using XRs or DGs.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.669288192Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T21:25:37+0100", "id": "3170399b04c9c8714e2213745814f3a7", "post_id": "post-220685", "text": "I think Pegasus is a typical compromise name, that has absolutely no connection to Mars, Spaceflight, Exploration or Colonization. Also we have at least three add-ons named Pegasus.Even Theseus would be more fitting (The hero who went into the Labyrinth to slay the Minotaur).", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.607926784Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-09-03T16:56:32+0100", "id": "b728192f2f73e9ac2ba99e98a6ca444f", "post_id": "post-252953", "text": "As fine as one would do trying to drill a hole with a hacksaw.\n\nNot sure I understand what you're saying. The navigator works very well for low-thrust trajectories...And an interplanetary trip is a good deal more difficult than a lunar one...\n\nFor a low-thrust vessel, no. Hitting the moon is very difficult, hitting Jupiter or Saturn is relatively easy. I made a low thrust flight there once with IMFD, you can make do. But how he managed to hit the moon is beyond me... unless he extended the orbit and just waited for the moon to come by.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.458526976Z", "author": "Zatnikitelman", "date": "2010-04-29T14:55:09+0100", "id": "dc6d559194ec46e942d66bb6d56c5429", "post_id": "post-219905", "text": "Actually, from what I understand, the amount of earthquakes in 2010 has been normal, the ones that have happened have just taken place closer to populated areas or somesuch than others so that they get more attention.", "thread_id": 14060 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.44655232Z", "author": "Face", "date": "2010-04-29T16:33:31+0100", "id": "7fa4d8de5525c33664caabfe7b08fa73", "post_id": "post-219867", "text": "SiberianTiger said:What's so exciting about a huge buried slab of iron?\n\nTMA-1", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.759846144Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-06-29T13:34:29+0100", "id": "b0501fe94ede46cc9025875b1709aabb", "post_id": "post-251388", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:How Curiosity Will Land on Mars, Part 2: Descent", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.48632448Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-04-30T06:50:46+0100", "id": "654aaddaf7ef1686d5ee1ae7cd3538fc", "post_id": "post-219980", "text": "I think a spaceship is something that doesn't really exist for us yet. I agree with silent_protagonist. To me, a \"spaceship\" seems informal now, but in the future it will be a larger vessel that has a large crew and longer duration \"voyages\" as it would be long enough to not just be considered a short \"flight\" and a \"craft\" for me can be almost any of them, but more generically, and certainly does NOT need a crew. for example i consider all satellites and probes and things all be spacecraft and also i might say, in the future, \"that particular ship is a fine vessel, and it can deploy lots of spacecraft\"", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.54924672Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-05-01T21:05:02+0100", "id": "b20706245ae2fb29f9b6d2740979522d", "post_id": "post-220079", "text": "Dropping engines like the Atlas means more complex tubing because you need to cut off and isolate the fuel lines that go to the jettisoned engines. Atlas was made that way because it was still unknown if a rocket engine could be ignited in space, so the safest thing was to light them up all of them at lift-off. When it was proven that you could indeed ignite an engine in space, the concept was abandoned. That staging procedure was also the cause of many a problem with the Ranger moon probes.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.974788096Z", "author": "mojoey", "date": "2012-08-07T07:24:58+0100", "id": "38e01b7414351e79812c1b6260feabac", "post_id": "post-251742", "text": "fraxudemspas said:\n\nThis guy looks like this guy...Also this.Aannd now presenting: Condescending Voyager!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.577581312Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-06-19T02:40:35+0100", "id": "1876e64f423e452dc9c99e609c8f1680", "post_id": "post-220147", "text": "How can you fill every single internal space with propellant? The best shape for a propellant tank is a spheroid, or a cylinder with spheroid (or ogive) endcaps. As I understand it the complex propellant tank shape of the X-33 is what caused structural problems.Unless your hull is directly based around the propellant tank (read: itisthe propellant tank), then fitting propellant into every nook and cranny will be difficult and likely be too much trouble for what it is worth.In addition, not all the volume within a propellant tank can actually be filled with propellant. You have internal stringers for rigidity, baffles and suchlike to control fluid dynamics within the tank, various other infrastructure, and ullage space.If the avionics is in an external pod, how is it recovered? Is the avionics just thrown away after every mission? What about the mounts for this pod? How does it disrupt airflow?Same goes for the payload. Is it like a fairing on a conventional launcher? Payload has a nonzero volume, and that fairing will have nonzero mass and nonzero drag.In addition, how are payloads returned from orbit? Arguably this is the sole capability of a spaceplane that isunseen anywhere elsewith any other spacecraft, despite its un-use in history.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56633216Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2013-11-10T15:24:48+0000", "id": "aded3bf988fe7aad0ce751e73f52cccc", "post_id": "post-220440", "text": "RGClark said:Though in the first test flight of the new version of the Falcon 9, the F9 v1.1, they did not stably \"land\" the first stage, SpaceX is optimistic they can solve the problem to get a reusable first stage:SpaceX Hit Huge Reusable Rocket Milestone with Falcon 9 Test Flight (Video)By Mike Wall, Senior Writer | October 17, 2013 02:01pm EThttp:\/\/www.space.com\/23230-spacex-falcon9-reusable-rocket-milestone.htmlSpaceX also plans to transition the half-scale Grasshopper VTVL test vehicle to a full scale Falcon 9 first stage:Final flight of Grasshopper v1.0 sets new record.By Brian DodsonOctober 14, 2013http:\/\/www.gizmag.com\/grasshopper-retires-altitude-record\/29384\/This article says this \"Grasshopper 2\", as it were, would have all 9 engines of the regular F9 first stage. However, discussions on other forums have said it would only have 3 engines. That would make sense since on stage return, you are using at most 3 engines, and moreover this way, you would not be risking an expensive loss of 9 copies of the Merlins during these Grasshopper test flights.Still, in point of fact there would be an advantage of using all 9 engines on this first stage Grasshopper, and with a full propellant load. In November, 2012 Elon Musk gave a lecture in London at the Royal Aeronautical Society.Elon Musk lecture at the Royal Aeronautical Society - YouTubeAbout 30 minutes in, he gave the propellant fraction of the new Falcon 9 v1.1 as around 96%, or perhaps 95.5%. The 96% propellant fraction number gives a 25 to 1 mass ratio. But at an Isp of 311 s for the Merlin 1D, the rocket equation gives a delta-v of 311*9.81ln(25) = 9,800 m\/s. Since the delta-v to orbit is only about 9,100 m\/s, this would allow a significant amount of payload.Then using the 9 engines and the full propellant load on the F9 first stage would allow in fact not just a VTVL test vehicle, but in fact a fully reusable and fullyorbitalvehicle.Amusingly, about 36 minutes into Elon's lecture someone asks a question about what he sees as the next big breakthrough in rockets after full reusability. Elon thinks for awhile and can't come up with an answer. He finally jokes maybe warp drive. Ironically, he already has the next big advance: a reusable SSTO.\n\nSpaceX has given the propellant amounts for both the first and second stages in the required Environmental Impact report for the Falcon 9 v1.1. These propellant amounts have been much speculated about on the internet. The amount for the first stage is about what has been estimated. However, the propellant load for the second stage is about 50% higher than the estimates.Given this and the propellant fraction for the first stage given by Elon in the Royal Aeronautical Society lecture, you can calculate the dry mass at least for the first stage. Plugging these values into the rocket equation you see it can carry quite a significant amount of payload as an SSTO.However, an SSTO achieves its best performance when altitude compensation such as aerospike is used. Then the payload in fact becomes surprisingly high. So high in fact that the cost per kilo of the expendable SSTO F9 is better than that of the standard expendable two stage without altitude compensation.In other words by investing in altitude compensation, the F9 first stage SSTO is a more efficient launcher than the standard two stage F9 if you don't invest in altitude compensation. Surprisingly, this superiority of the SSTO on the cost per kilo metric, is still true for the reusable launcher case, even when you make an apples-to-apples comparison of also giving the two stage an altitude compensating first stage.Discussion here:The Coming SSTO's: Falcon 9 v1.1 first stage as SSTO, Page 2.http:\/\/exoscientist.blogspot.com\/2013\/11\/the-coming-sstos-falcon-9-v11-first.htmlBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.00290304Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-22T23:02:34+0100", "id": "063b7289b72ee622065b2f7e25f8e0de", "post_id": "post-251934", "text": "Universe Today:Curiosity Shows Off Its CredentialsPlaque on the exterior of Mars Science Laboratory, aka \u201cCuriosity\u201d (NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS)Curiosity\u2019s \u201cstars and stripes\u201d American flag mobility logo (NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS)\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6221632Z", "author": "gaidheal", "date": "2010-05-10T21:43:20+0100", "id": "88ec306cd5498d93c92b05da5a3f4ba4", "post_id": "post-220800", "text": "HelloPerhaps, after a colony is established on Mars, an exploratory mission to Europa (moon of Jupiter) could be considered.I've been using Orbiter for less than a week, and love it already. I've also read this entire thread, and think you lot should watch this video:http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/iplayer\/episode\/b00rz5ys\/Wonders_of_the_Solar_System_Aliens\/?from=rSome of you may have already seen some of the documentaries by Prof. Brian Cox, and the whole series is well worth your time. This particular episode has astounding information about the possibilities of life on Mars, that there could be large amounts of bacteria producing the plumes of methane that have been detected rising from the surface.And on Europa.... bacterialivingin ice? An ocean of liquid water100km deep?!Although I would love to join this mission, I don't feel that I'm yet capable of doing the things required. Happy to say though, I had my first successful docking of the DG with the ISS at around 2:30am this morning!:D", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.574899456Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-02-28T20:52:36+0000", "id": "cd1b691b2de08c77e65eb67a5a0d08cf", "post_id": "post-220116", "text": "Urwumpe said:Much more simpler in a way: If the nozzle is operated at an ambient pressure, at which it is not designed for, the gas flow inside it can not follow the cross section of it properly.If you for example have higher ambient pressure, the gas flow separates from the nozzle walls already before the nozzle exit, additionally producing shock waves that slow the exhaust down (over-expanded case). Or if you have lower ambient pressure, the exhaust is under-expanded and keeps on fanning out after the nozzle exit, so a part of the exhaust is only contributing partially to thrust.But 3% is good enough for government work. The orbiter way is simply[math]I_{sp} = \\frac{I_{sp,vac} \\cdot \\left ( p_{sl} - p_a \\right ) + I_{sp,sl} \\cdot p_a}{p_{sl}}[\/math]\n\nI believe your explanation is valid and this does have an effect on performance. However, I've been informed that the main source for the discrepancy in the calculation is that the cited value of the nozzle exit area is wrong. That wikipedia page gives it as 4.67 m^2:http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Space_Shuttle_main_engine#Thrust_specificationsBut on that same page is given the diameter of 90.7 in., about 2.304 m. This corresponds to an area of about 4.168 m^2. This value for the diameter comes from this Pratt & Whitney page:Nozzle Designby R.A. O'Leary and J. E. Beck, Spring 1992http:\/\/www.pwrengineering.com\/articles\/nozzledesign.htmso is probably reliable. Using this value for the exit area, the calculated value for the sea level thrust is quite close to the actual value.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.010939136Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2012-11-21T20:14:36+0000", "id": "174fe332cadc51955aff78d88cb77296", "post_id": "post-252022", "text": "T.Neo said:It is pretty easy to understand that some discoveries by NASA are regarded as pretty boring by most people; it's because those discoveriesareboring, in certain regards (if not any less scientifically interesting). It is perfectly understandable and perfectly acceptable.But if NASA comes along with a really extraordinary statement, such as \"We've made a discovery for the history books!\" and then makes what can be quite fairly called a lackluster announcement, it damages their reputation. They need to be a bit more careful about how they act in that regard.\n\nThis is what I'm trying to say, instead of just being a naysayer or parade-rainer. I'm sure the scientific interest in whatever discovery has just been made is considerable, and I'm quite interested to read about it. But as you say, these grandiose claims, if unjustified for the masses, just make NASA look like the boy who cried wolf.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.627494656Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-13T14:01:14+0100", "id": "c028e4d4ee2ef3aa6d8aa8e9c6da6d09", "post_id": "post-220850", "text": "The Nerva 2 has a thrust of 1,500,000N and the MSS+the Nerva without any fuel has a mass of 276,050kg. That gives us about 5.43m\/s^2 of maximum acceleration, less than one g. I doubt we can keep the deceleration during aerobraking under that so we would need to reinforce the docking ports. But I still think we need to get the total mass if we aerobrake and see if we really get some benefits compared to using our engine to do the MOI.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.640764928Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-21T05:40:50+0100", "id": "eb285e1395ca196430e609f1c4082777", "post_id": "post-220951", "text": "Thank you, was just wondering. I'm good with it either way.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.143780096Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-08-30T03:11:57+0100", "id": "813594ba9010d5dffe265d0765156fc4", "post_id": "post-252287", "text": "I've used both VLC and Windows Media Encoder with ffdshow before. Generally successful but results vary depending on the codec used inside the QuickTime container.", "thread_id": 16278 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.474148608Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-01T22:12:16+0100", "id": "2f29d87d7688a1864ee479bc7a9ac8c4", "post_id": "post-219935", "text": "Just pay attention, some of them are still in circulation.", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.092613888Z", "author": "sorindafabico", "date": "2014-03-10T20:58:14+0000", "id": "008b97e7edd4b6ede88e0bcec268166f", "post_id": "post-219607", "text": "I just bought a new battery to replace the old damaged one. Tested the new one on a downtown building:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.786995968Z", "author": "ADSWNJ", "date": "2012-08-05T19:57:42+0100", "id": "7977cc3ba220189795fc95d94de3ec37", "post_id": "post-251483", "text": "Keatah said:This thing will be doing S-turns to control the amount of lift, very much like the space shuttle used to do.\n\nCool. Didn't see this before your post. It just gets better, doesn't it? This has to be the most complex landing in the history of unmanned spaceflight.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.569428992Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-02-24T07:22:10+0000", "id": "f649a73097ec9db281f626091a10c927", "post_id": "post-220111", "text": "RGClark said:Do you have a reference for the formula for calculating the thrust based on the surrounding air pressure?\n\nThe closest approximation is a linear interpolation of specific impulse. for the exact measured numbers, you need a look-up table for a nozzle, since the data is highly non-linear and also no longer just depending on atmospheric pressure, but also chamber pressure.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.473755904Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-05-01T20:33:17+0100", "id": "8ecfd47eaa851bbfc433c7f099102e39", "post_id": "post-219932", "text": "I think the portraits are dumb. i'd much rather have no people. oh-except the lady liberty walking coins are cool.", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.67483008Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-01T23:19:21+0100", "id": "25b2f0734260ff2f12e6b356785472de", "post_id": "post-221098", "text": "Wow, an Saturn-class Atlas... I want one! Request seconded.", "thread_id": 14084 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.995283456Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-24T23:42:01+0100", "id": "e827d90003790ccbe58bb3307cbd8bc2", "post_id": "post-251892", "text": "RGClark said:Anyone know if the relative humidity sensor was damaged?Bob Clark\n\nThe sensor checks out fine.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.661444864Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-04T04:01:54+0100", "id": "10e85f706a2197031addcee1ab136712", "post_id": "post-220615", "text": "Izack said:You make a good point. Don't mind me! :tiphat:About the boxes, all I meant was that it was a measly maximum payload for a half-kilometer long vessel.Anyway...I toyed around with an exploration stack based on the Cook, and this is what I came up with.(Just a couple of default modules, Solar Service Modules and Dragonflies, as well as two default deltagliders (because the scenario had them anyway and this is just a demonstration.)Fuel tanks would be necessary for the station (which I did not add, oops), and two of the hab modules seen in the second image would be storage space. Also, two Dragonflies is a little unnecessary. What do you guys think?\n\n2 Dragons, most definitely wast of space;)1 dragon is fine if it is needed, though I don't think it would be.I found a problem, Arrow (under default settings) will not take off from Mars. So we can either, adjust config, or alter plan.is [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3105\"]Jumbo Tanker v1.0[\/nomedia] adequate?---------- Post added at 08:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:58 PM ----------PhantomCruiser said:But, part of the challange could muscling modules around with that dragonfly...\n\nIf we have to rearrange stuff like the ISS does then we might need one or at least the RMS", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.548949248Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-05-01T18:56:57+0100", "id": "97da8bc049c5121bde495327f48a825c", "post_id": "post-220076", "text": "I suggest you just take a suitable Velcro rockets stage since it is config file based and easy to edit. Set the physical values from Falcon 1 first stage and test fly it in Orbiter. I think it should work with reasonable accuracy.While an expendable SSTO booster might be relatively easy to achieve a reusable one would be a completely different matter. Suppose a Falcon 1 based SSTO has 600 kg payload. To make it reusable would need a thermal protection, aerodynamic surfaces and some sort of recovery system to for gentle landing which would quickly add extra mass.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.512172288Z", "author": "Weirdo Earthtorch", "date": "2010-09-02T09:52:26+0100", "id": "b4dbda4e9178b6be73ef42305b819e7b", "post_id": "post-252757", "text": "fc:Code:PU Name=NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800\n--Initializing precomputation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone, time=488462.3 per quad\n--Generating on cpu...\nDone, time=2979041.8 per quadsome shader errorsnc:Code:GPU Name=NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800\n--Initializing precomputation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone, time=493840.4 per quad\n--Generating on cpu...\nDone, time=3573803.3 per quadno errorsTextures generate correctly on both versions.", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56930176Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-02-22T18:50:50+0000", "id": "4250a98cb84867f33ba3107cad54b4f5", "post_id": "post-220109", "text": "I wouldn't call 69 Million USD per SSME low cost or even thinkable for commercial operations. Even the RD-0120, despite being much cheaper, would be anything attractive for commercial operations, if you want to reuse.Blending the best of Russian rocket engine technology with the best of western avionics would likely be a much more attractive base for commercial rocket engines... like a Full Flow Staged Combustion engine with 1.5 MN thrust (100 times more than the test bed NASA is currently researching into nirvana). The engine cycle isn't really the problem, the largest bipropellant rocket engines ever build in human history had been full-flow staged combustion engines.The NK-33 is of course much cheaper - somebody else already paid the lunch. Attractive for a while, but not offering chances for future growth, since you can't expect upgrades.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.64217984Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-22T14:38:19+0100", "id": "eb2b7016666c2d7ae7e0f2b42d722b92", "post_id": "post-220959", "text": "Voyager said:I volunteer to build a space station at about 1000km above Earth to help!\n\nUm, I'm not sure how that will help.Can you explain what this base will do? Also, 1 000km isn't very far, by astronomical standards. The Moon is ~360 000km away when it comes closest (perigee), for instance.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.047058944Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-11-15T18:36:29+0000", "id": "4e49e782c1fc1ebc103810a99839c0d5", "post_id": "post-251214", "text": "NASA:Nov. 15, 2011\u200bLaunch Team Focuses on Unique Needs of CuriosityAbout the size of a small SUV and weighing as much as some cars, the Mars Science Laboratory \"Curiosity\" is being asked to conduct the most intensive examination of the surface of the red planet ever attempted. It carries cameras, a robotic arm, drill and even a laser to vaporize bits of rock at a distance.That's too much work for solar panels to power, so NASA is fueling the rover with a plutonium-powered battery of sorts called a multi-mission radioisotope thermal generator, or MMRTG. Loaded with 10 pounds of the material, the power source is expected to generate electricity for a mission lasting at least two Earth years.\"It requires a fancy power supply in order to do the job,\" said Dr. Pam Conrad, deputy principal investigator for MSL. \"This enables us to make measurements all day, every day, at night, in the winter.\"Before researchers get a taste of groundbreaking research about Mars, the launch team at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida is focusing on its responsibility to safely launch the spacecraft and its power source.Even if there were an accident and a release of plutonium, something officials put at a 3-tenths of one percent chance of happening, the material would most likely remain on federal property either at Kennedy or Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, the mission's launch site.However, preparation has been the foremost thought for NASA officials and the launch team will be beefed up with officials from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Calif., specifically the National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, or NARAC, a team that models plumes to predict radiation hazards.Ron Baskett, an atmospheric scientist for NARAC, said a network will be in place on launch day to feed critical information to the Livermore lab to generate the models if there is a release of radioactive material.Even the network to collect that data will be strengthened a bit over the usual launch day measures. The National Weather Service's Melbourne office will focus some of its instruments on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station on the day of launch, now targeted for Nov. 25.For its part, NASA and the Air Force's 45th Space Wing have 46 towers to collect wind data and two more detailed instruments that collect information about conditions more than 20 miles above Earth.\"We believe we have the right team put together, with the right people and all the control and functions that you might expect for this type of launch,\" Brisbin said.Officials expect a normal launch day, culminating in an Atlas V lifting Curiosity off the Earth and on a path to Mars.\"If you see a plume, it does not mean there's been an accident,\" said Dr. Frank Merceret, director of research for Kennedy's weather office. Most launches produce a plume of some sort, he said, and even accident would not necessarily indicate any radiation has leaked from the spacecraft.NASA has used the power units 26 times in the past, including the Apollo moon landings and the Viking landers on Mars. Also, they've been used to power the Pioneer and Voyager spacecraft, along with the Galileo mission to Jupiter. More recently, the Cassini mission to Saturn and New Horizons mission to Pluto both run on RTGs. All were launched safely.{...}NewScientist:Mega-rover ready to hunt for life signs on Mars", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.644113664Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-01T16:17:40+0100", "id": "92e7a1cf0494023543a50a6ec945056f", "post_id": "post-220980", "text": "After reading all 31 pages of posts, I've decided I want in on this. I'd probably be best as ground crew or piloting landers, but I'll help however I can. Just let me know what I should do.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.78413824Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-04-26T14:16:10+0100", "id": "9ccef9ee194b361f3f0a00c03d7f1798", "post_id": "post-219318", "text": "IronRain said:or, if you want it very simple, you can useLola MFD (Fixed version);)\n\nNo point using that with AMSO. AMSO comes with a great built-in landing AP.", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.435185664Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-01T02:33:41+0100", "id": "57276084deb58ad0809507da0de7d776", "post_id": "post-252521", "text": "Hartmann said:It means that the sky now can show the milk way and nebulas ??\n\nEssentially, yes. There were some images in the screenshot thread about this feature when it was first implemented into a beta version. It's a lovely chunk of eye candy.:D", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.820770816Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-28T13:19:37+0100", "id": "d405fdb7c32dc188846ed0d2377090b5", "post_id": "post-219393", "text": "Maybe the aliens really come as tourists...and you know how destructive tourism is on Earth.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.591497984Z", "author": "silent_protagonist", "date": "2008-05-11T18:24:34+0100", "id": "6582fa8d7fd94f12bead81fab4781c47", "post_id": "post-65228", "text": "I imagine NASAcouldservice the HST or another LEO satellite with Orion if they decided they really needed to. It would probably require at least a mission module with an airlock and some means grappling the sat, which would mean two launches if NASA sticks with the current Ares I design. You also still occasionally hear talk of using Orion to service Earth-Sun L2 satellites (like the JWST), replacing the lunar lander on top of the Ares V with whatever equipment you would need. (Does anyone know what the delta-v is to L2?)Of course I doubt if any of this would actually happen, but I think the capability is there.pete.dakota said:spcefrk said:The James Webb Telescope will replace it IIRC.\n\nThat's not it's designation or purpose, though. The James Webb will not be able to see visible light. It will only be able to see IR. Whereas the Hubble can see visible, near-IR and UV.\n\nThat's true about JWST not being a complete replacement; it's more an upgrade from Spitzer than a replacement for Hubble. I guess they just decided that they weren't getting enough science from the visible spectrum to justify the expense, but it'll be a shame to see it go. I still say that NASA's budget woes would be solved if they were allowed to charge royalties for Hubble pictures.;)( I suppose it's worth mentioning, though, that a lot of Hubble's targets are far enough away that what would be visible light up close has been redshifted to IR by the time it gets to us, so in a sense you are still seeing \"true to life\" images.)", "thread_id": 1408 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.758257152Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-05-10T02:42:18+0100", "id": "7dfcacae2600ccea4509fc8ec42bdf90", "post_id": "post-251373", "text": "orb said:Universe Today:Take a Peek Inside Curiosity\u2019s ShellLED-lit image from Mars Science Laboratory inside its shell (NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Malin Space Science Systems)\u200b\n\nThat image is so bland yet the conditions it was taken in is very exciting.Curiosity's image resolution is a much bigger improvement over Cassini's than I thought.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613912576Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-07T04:07:45+0100", "id": "d50954be83fd3f4ec4f97ab02d47b18b", "post_id": "post-220730", "text": "Kveldulf said:You could always have the meshes be a little short, and pretend that the rest is underground.\n\nWolfer said:Couldn't the buildings just be textured so they look covered in a couple layers of dirt?\n\nYes to both.Whoever makes it, can do it however\/whichever they want:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.824578048Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2010-05-01T20:26:15+0100", "id": "21735ccee8cb3a963cfefb4e64712b8a", "post_id": "post-219433", "text": "Hawking and Alien ContactMOD NOTE: THIS POST MERGED FROM ANOTHER THREAD.I'm surprised this hasn't been posted on this forum (unless I missed it):http:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/s\/afp\/20100425\/sc_afp\/scienceastronomyextraterrestrialhawkinghttp:\/\/www.timesonline.co.uk\/tol\/news\/science\/space\/article7107207.eceFor the new Discovery show.But why would such advanced civilizations want to have any involvement with such a primitive one?Such advanced civilizations would need to go tothisoccupied planet for resources?EDIT: I'm blind, how'd I miss this thread?", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.835213568Z", "author": "SolarLiner", "date": "2012-08-06T06:11:31+0100", "id": "5795ccda0a3d1cf2f3acbadcb7b8ccd7", "post_id": "post-251533", "text": "Keatah said:Navigation data indicates right on the X in the middle. so far..!Pyros armed and ready\n\nReady to fireworks ! :lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.437951232Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-04-29T21:18:22+0100", "id": "2d81e20b5e8b10a3b3f97ba83e082868", "post_id": "post-219820", "text": "jedidia said:You can nerf the Deepstar pretty easily by editing the ini-file to give it whatever thrust you'd like to have (I actually nerfed it DOWN, to the values of a moderately possible fusion engine, and pumped the mass up to 1000 tons empty mass... makes for interesting flying).\n\nThat's what I was thinking as a solution, I was just curious if there was anything else out there with the thrust to tow those pigs.", "thread_id": 14052 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55635584Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-04T08:51:56+0000", "id": "b7987026a85213f8e17728b7255bc483", "post_id": "post-220322", "text": "I'm talking specifically about Elon Musk's track record. Both with his prior businesses and with SpaceX.Nobody sent a privately financed rocket to orbit until he did it.It had long been speculated among insiders that rocket costs were greatly inflated by government financing but he proved the fact by cutting costs by a factor of 10.If we are finally to make space access routine it's going to take people of guts, insight and of sufficient financing.Elon has all of those.\n\nNo track record (and it has already been explained here where the SpaceX track record is lacking) can magically make your venture to lower launch costs down to $100\/kg successful. Nobody has a track record relating to that. If it is possible at all, it is extremely challenging.This is only the tip of the iceberg once you accept what the rocket equation has been saying all along.\n\nRubbish. The rocket equation is a miniscule fraction of the effort that goes in to making a launch vehicle. Nearly 100% of that effort is actually applying the math technologically.You can get the rocket equation to do all sorts of nonsense for you that couldn't be done in reality.RGClark, you never actually bother to answer tough questions (like my SSTO vs TSTO challenge). It seems you pick up on a sort of 'buzzword' (for example, \"SSTO can cut costs to $100\/kg\", \"private development can be 1\/10th the cost of government development\" or soforth) and keep on repeating it (in a manner that harkens the term 'stuck record') whenever someone challenges your claims or asks you to properly substantiate them.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.927887104Z", "author": "ADSWNJ", "date": "2012-08-06T07:59:48+0100", "id": "1a9bdf6c6acda3ef890971d9bf01c1d3", "post_id": "post-251672", "text": "Check this out ...Expected landing ellipses (the darker one was the final revised one on the NASA site)...The actual landing coordinates from the live stream, transposed onto Google Earth (which has a great Mars mode!!) ...Still stunned that NASA can call it to that precision and land it remotely right on the ellipse.Bigger pictures:http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/84337094@N02\/7723525758\/in\/photostream", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.658413056Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-02T23:00:36+0100", "id": "bb0a794d550048ea82d64db093dc3747", "post_id": "post-220582", "text": "Bj said:The only real think that needs developing is an engine with controllable pitch, just in case the COG is really off center.\n\nKulch's Mir2 has the titan service module, which apparently compensates for the total mass of the station. So could we use that with SSBB or whatever?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57893376Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2011-07-03T10:04:19+0100", "id": "e4c860f24813545c1bd21bb92f544832", "post_id": "post-220160", "text": "RGClark said:Perhaps. But I have yet to see anyone on this forum to actually do the calculation using the most weight optimized stages and the most sea level to vacuum efficient engines we have now.Anyone on this forum could do that calculation but no one on this forum has done it.Bob Clark\n\nExactly - anyone means that You can do the math also. You don't have to be add-on developer to experimentally verify your claims. As you claim SSTO is possible with current technology: do it.Velcro rockets gives you simple and ellegant way to make your rockets (It comes with a lot of meshes so you don't have to mesh something) and has nice ISP-sl parameter that differs ISP in vacuum from ISP within Earth's atmosphere. All you need to do is do the math and put it into velcro cfg file.Then you can release it and anyone can check your SSTO concept.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.00327424Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-25T11:34:38+0100", "id": "8561f36626537b18780a6637d4e966bf", "post_id": "post-251938", "text": "NewScientist:Meet the man who gave the Mars rover its eyes", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.8201088Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-04-27T17:35:02+0100", "id": "6d00a1ee4a42624ae34f1dc505e64a56", "post_id": "post-219386", "text": "Hey i have proof aliens are already attacking us with a picture they are already here! :lol:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.633979904Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T20:46:26+0100", "id": "88d619f4616ad091b1fefec3f6afd003", "post_id": "post-220553", "text": "Bj said:nah not me :thumbup:\n\nYou don't know for what I allocated the last 47 hours of SSU time...especially since I actually should have been getting the last bugs out of the IUS...:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.013732096Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-12-13T14:50:40+0000", "id": "1e142822663000cf6a45b808f84cf287", "post_id": "post-252051", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Curiosity Rover Nearing Yellowknife BayDecember 11, 2012Mars Science Laboratory Mission Status ReportPASADENA, Calif. -- The NASA Mars rover Curiosity drove 63 feet (19 meters) northeastward early Monday, Dec. 10, approaching a step down into a slightly lower area called \"Yellowknife Bay,\" where researchers intend to choose a rock to drill.The drive was Curiosity's fourth consecutive driving day since leaving a site near an outcrop called \"Point Lake,\" where it arrived last month. These drives totaled 260 feet (79 meters) and brought the mission's total odometry to 0.37 mile (598 meters).The route took the rover close to an outcrop called \"Shaler,\" where scientists used Curiosity's Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument and Mast Camera (Mastcam) to assess the rock's composition and observe its layering. Before departure from Point Lake, a fourth sample of dusty sand that the rover had been carrying from the \"Rocknest\" drift was ingested and analyzed by Curiosity's Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|Layered Martian Outcrop 'Shaler' in 'Glenelg' Area\u200bThe NASA Mars rover Curiosity used its Mast Camera (Mastcam) during the mission's 120th Martian day, or sol (Dec. 7, 2012), to record this view of a rock outcrop informally named \"Shaler.\"Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200b|Curiosity Traverse Map, Sol 123\u200bThis map traces where NASA's Mars rover Curiosity drove between landing at a site subsequently named \"Bradbury Landing,\" and the position reached during the mission's 123rd Martian day, or sol, (Dec. 10, 2012). The inset shows the most recent legs of the traverse in greater detail.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Univ. of Arizona\u200b|Sol 120 Panorama from Curiosity, near 'Shaler'\u200bThe NASA Mars rover Curiosity used its Navigation Camera (Navcam) during the mission's 120th Martian day, or sol (Dec. 7, 2012), to record the seven images combined into this panoramic view.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Sol 120 Panorama from Curiosity, near 'Shaler' (Stereo)\u200bThis stereo panoramic view combines 14 images taken by the Navigation Camera (Navcam) on the NASA Mars rover Curiosity during the mission's 120th Martian day, or sol (Dec. 7, 2012). The scene appears three-dimensional when viewed through red-blue glasses with the red lens on the left.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bCuriosity ended Monday's drive about 30 percent shorter than planned for the day when it detected a slight difference between two calculations of its tilt, not an immediate risk, but a trigger for software to halt the drive as a precaution. \"The rover is traversing across terrain different from where it has driven earlier, and responding differently,\" said Rick Welch, mission manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. \"We're making progress, though we're still in the learning phase with this rover, going a little slower on this terrain than we might wish we could.\"Curiosity is approaching a lip where it will descend about 20 inches (half a meter) to Yellowknife Bay. The rover team is checking carefully for a safe way down. Yellowknife Bay is the temporary destination for first use of Curiosity's rock-powdering drill, before the mission turns southwestward for driving to its main destination on the slope of Mount Sharp.{...}NASA\/ NASA JPL:Mars Rover Self-Portrait Shoot Uses Arm ChoreographyDecember 11, 2012PASADENA, Calif. - The robotic arm on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity held the rover's Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera in more than 50 positions in one day to generate a single scene combining all the images, creating a high-resolution, full-color portrait of the rover itself.A larger version of the previously released self-portrait is now available online, along with an animation video showing how it was taken, and a practice self-portrait taken earlier by Curiosity's test-rover double on Earth.The new version of Curiosity's self-portrait, online at:http:\/\/photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov\/catalog\/PIA16457, shows more of the surrounding Martian terrain than a version completed last month.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|On the 84th and 85th Martian days of the NASA Mars rover Curiosity's mission on Mars (Oct. 31 and Nov. 1, 2012), NASA's Curiosity rover used the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) to capture dozens of high-resolution images to be combined into self-portrait images of the rover. This version of the full-color self-portrait includes more of the surrounding terrain than a version produced earlier (PIA16239).Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200b|Camera and robotic-arm maneuvers for taking a self-portrait of the NASA Curiosity rover on Mars were checked first, at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., using the main test rover for the Curiosity.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200bThe animation video at:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/multimedia\/videogallery\/index.html?media_id=156880341depicts how the rover moved its robotic arm on Oct. 31 to record the component images that would be combined into the self-portrait. The same software that rover planners use when designing the rover's moves was used to generate the animation.The arm movements were practiced on Earth first, using the closest double that exists for Curiosity, the Vehicle System Test Bed rover at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. The rover team typically uses that rover to test maneuvers before they are tried by Curiosity. The Vehicle System Test Bed's self-portrait, from the engineering model of MAHLI on that rover, is at:http:\/\/photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov\/catalog\/PIA16458.MAHLI is mounted on a turret at the end of Curiosity's robotic arm. The arm is not visible in the portrait because the arm was positioned out of the shot in the images or portions of images used in the mosaic. Some images taken during the day show portions of the arm. However, the Martian ground that the arm hides from view in those images is visible in alternative images chosen for the mosaic, taking the arm out of the scene.{...}SPACE.com:Drill Issue Could Threaten Mars Rover Curiosity's MissionMars Daily:Curiosity Rover Nearing Yellowknife BayScience Daily:Mars Rover Curiosity Nearing Yellowknife BayMars Rover Self-Portrait Shoot Uses Arm Choreography", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.168828416Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-05T21:58:55+0100", "id": "c042f96f60829a0bcb7894b50476289c", "post_id": "post-219685", "text": "Has anyone noticed what appears to be a new addition to Progress?It looks like a new video camera has been added - see the white coloured protrusion in the top-left of Progress in this photo.Click here for hi-res version.Anyone know anything about this (SiberianTiger)?;)", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817364736Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-26T18:54:19+0100", "id": "a95bd29fc90072a7d434ce062641ac23", "post_id": "post-219361", "text": "And when Europeans reached China, it was equally disastrous, it is now long gone and destroyed...Next in the news: Vint Cerf recommends steaks.Actually, if you read the original statement of Hawking, you will find out that he is not concerned about us making contact, but how we do it: With love letters, music, photographs of our dogs and other egoisms.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.353752832Z", "author": "Coolhand", "date": "2008-07-19T21:25:08+0100", "id": "c0273c0d2a80f8c4bce718e486622c60", "post_id": "post-69059", "text": "if i load a scenario which starts on the moon it works fine.with the same configuration it also works with the lunar transfer tutorial that comes with orbiter.", "thread_id": 1630 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902521856Z", "author": "rseferino", "date": "2010-04-29T13:05:53+0100", "id": "5fc810e5e08e7b5dac7b8b3007ed04fc", "post_id": "post-219473", "text": "Spike Spiegel said:I've noticed over the years that many sci-fi spacecraft that are meant to appear \"near-future\" in design or construction have a major similarity. They often have a central truss\/beam that the other components are \"mounted\" to. For example, the Discovery from 2001\/2010, the Event Horizon, the ship fromDefying Gravity (Antares?), the ship from Avatar, and even the Deepstar addon for Orbiter.I'm wondering if there's a really good engineering reason why this design is so popular. Sure it looks pretty cool, and is acceptable since the ship won't fly in an atmosphere, but why not use a different design? Why is that type of design popular?\n\nAntares from Defying Gravity in turn be based on the designs for a BBC documentary called \"Space Odyssey: Voyage To The Planets\"HTML:http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Space_Odyssey:_Voyage_To_The_Planetswas based on several ideas engineers, so that would be most acceptable, in my opinion. A two-part documentary highly recommended. In fact, be my avatar.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.018372096Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-06-16T06:51:31+0100", "id": "ed46942fa66865d5a1ec1e1146fa5a6b", "post_id": "post-219500", "text": "Here's a website I check almost everyday to see cool stuff. I especially like the black and white stuff:http:\/\/1x.com\/Lately digital has gotten so hi-res that it's trying to compete with chemical black and white, but in many cases you can still tell the difference, especially the ones that almost have to have been done with digital equipment and software, like [ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/High_dynamic_range_imaging\"]HDR[\/ame].The two technologies can be mixed, though, so there is no clear divide between the two. Many photographers shoot on film, then scan in the negatives and process them in software, and print them out on printer paper. You can also shoot in digital, print it as a negative on a transparency, and then burn the image onto chemical paper the old-fashioned way. Then you can tone the paper or apply other chemical dark room techniques.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.438567168Z", "author": "cinder1992", "date": "2010-09-02T17:19:33+0100", "id": "5dadb12457752db7b2f0a961f5c5a1f7", "post_id": "post-252550", "text": "I have CONFIRMED that the lighting engine WORKS withOrulex 2010! of course, the light on the DG was tiny, so it only lit a single vertex:p.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5783232Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-07-02T17:24:03+0100", "id": "690b6de8982782758ab6dcbc4060c143", "post_id": "post-220153", "text": "Space travel the path to human immortality?That must be the most absurd thing I've read in months.SSTOs will not drop prices down to $100\/kg.This has been explained again and again and again and you have not satisfactorily refuted (or attempted to refute) it.And no, the 2001 space vision would not have come true... for one single, simple reason:There was no need for it to.No reason to go to the Moon, no reason to go to Mars, not even a reason to build a Station V.The problem with getting propellant from the Moon is that it is a desolate wasteland; there is a deficiency of infrastructure there, you either have to ship from Earth, or attempt to construct on the Moon from what little youcanship from Earth. Physics is one thing, economics is another. Just because it is easier physics-wise to launch propellant from the Moon doesnotmean it is a logistically viable large-scale operation (unless, perhaps, DeltaGliders have replaced the family car).Especially if we consider that launch costs would be magically low.FurthermoreUranium is present only in low concentrationson the surface.The \"trillions of dollars\" thing doesn't matter because, as has been discussed, asteroids are difficult to get to, difficult to mine, and they are common heritage of mankind which prevents private exploitation.The resources within an entire mountain may be worth trillions of dollars too, but it isn't like someone is going to come along and try to process that mountain in a useful amount of time.And \"having uranium\" is only a tiny, tiny part of actually building and operating a nuclear rocket engine, or nuclear propelled vehicle. For example you need to design and build the engine itself, which would be pretty difficult to do from lunar materials. And the exhaust velocity increase that you have with a nuclear rocket is not everything; nuclear propulsion comes with many disadvantages as well.2001 being the year of the turn of the millennium (no, it was NOT in the year 2000.)\n\nYeah, it was- depending on which definition you take. Back then they regarded it to be in 2001, by the time 2000 came around everyone was just pretty thrilled that the first digit changed from a '1' to a '2'...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.58047872Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2011-07-05T20:30:40+0100", "id": "fa692cf354c407b84de6510ce3f15d89", "post_id": "post-220179", "text": "Ergo - SSTO is possible but makes no sense with current technology.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.557777152Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-05T21:05:31+0000", "id": "f9816ef95ff9fb32dc8d9482bdead309", "post_id": "post-220339", "text": "T.Neo said:Within the first 10 years of its life, Orbital had only launched- if I read correctly, twice. Taurus first launched in 1994, Minotaur only in 2000.\n\nactually wrong, they had already 8 launches until 1990 - makes 8 launches in 8 years.http:\/\/www.orbital.com\/About\/Milestones\/", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.618427904Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-09-03T03:48:24+0100", "id": "475dea0ed78410132e10e2fd8b802b0e", "post_id": "post-253009", "text": "Is there an MFD that allows me to see the distance angle between myself and target spacecraft during rendezvous?\n\nYes. SyncMFD. Whenever SyncMFD displays values for DLang, Dist, and RVel these are CURRENT values - not predictions. Only DTmin is \"predictive\". DLang is what you want, it's the same as angular distance.I would love to hear the answer too, because in a Soyuz manuall I 've been advised to do the deorbit burn at 170(or so) degrees from the Landing-Place, but neither Base-Sync-MFD nor Map-MFD could give me that information\n\nI'm not aware of any MFD that gives this for bases - perhaps Re-EntryMFD but I haven't used that in ages. Not sure it even works under 2006P1, much less 2010P1. You should be able to \"eyeball\" it well enough using BasesyncMFD's DEO (de-orbit) view.", "thread_id": 16339 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.669566464Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T21:54:27+0100", "id": "9af6abae2ef9723d2a62be02c62484ae", "post_id": "post-220687", "text": "Izack said:You're right: there's no relation. But how was Apollo related to the Moon?\n\nApollos twin sister is Artemis, the moon goddess. Also Apollo is the god of colonization.But the real reason is explained here:http:\/\/history.nasa.gov\/SP-4205\/ch1-6.html", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.762134784Z", "author": "C3PO", "date": "2012-07-20T02:12:42+0100", "id": "8de93d077e6ea73e6251263f339e7386", "post_id": "post-251405", "text": "N_Molson said:mh no, the signals will take 7 minutes to travel from Mars to Earth. The spacecraft will send the data, so that we will know \"real-time + 7 minutes\" what happenedthere;)\n\nNo. The signal would take 13.8 min to reach Earth. The entry and landing will take 7 minutes, so the MSL would have been on the surface for 7 min when we see the signals from the entry. But with the Mars Odyssey problem, it's all a bit iffy at the moment.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.568621824Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-02-03T20:02:27+0000", "id": "4ba743c270e5a0abb63fd514c51c8547", "post_id": "post-220101", "text": "Another option for a manned launcher. NASA is in a quandary right now about what to do about their manned flight capability. Congress wants this reinstituted quickly but NASA says they can't do it with the money being provided by Congress.In regards to this proposal it is notable McDonnell Douglas, now a subsidiary of Boeing, was also the contractor on the DC-X, legendary for its low development cost, quick turnaround time, and small ground crew.In this report Boeing proposes heavy lift launchers using existing components:Heavy Lift Launch Vehicles with Existing Propulsion Systems.Benjamin Donahue, Lee Brady, Mike Farkas, Shelley LeRoy, Neal GrahamBoeing Phantom Works,Huntsville, AL 35824Doug BlueBoeing Space Exploration,Huntington Beach, CA 92605http:\/\/www.launchcomplexmodels.com\/Direct\/documents\/AIAA-2010-2370-650.pdfOne of the proposals is of a manned launcher with the Orion capsule using a shuttle ET propellant tank and four RS-68 engines. This does not use an upper stage but is not a single-stage-to-orbit vehicle because the final push to orbit is made by the onboard thrusters on the Orion spacecraft.However, it is interesting in this report comparison is made to theS-IVBupper stage on the Apollo rocket. I was reminded of a suggestion of Gary Hudson that the S-IVB would be single-stage-to-orbit with significant payload if it used the high efficiency SSME rather than the J-2 engine:A Single-Stage-to-Orbit Thought Experiment.Gary C Hudsonhttp:\/\/www.spacefuture.com\/archive\/a_single_stage_to_orbit_thought_experiment.shtmlIn Hudson's proposal the vehicle could lift 10,360 lbs, 4,710 kg. This would be just enough to carry the crewed version of theDragon spacecraftwithout cargo. Boeing's proposal for a manned capsule the CST-100 might be launchable by this also since it is of comparable size and design to the Dragon:Boeing space capsule could be operational by 2015.BY STEPHEN CLARKSPACEFLIGHT NOWPosted: July 21, 2010http:\/\/www.spaceflightnow.com\/news\/n1007\/21boeing\/NASA has shown in their crewed spacecraft versions to want to hearken back to Apollo in their use of capsules. This SSTO idea of Hudson would have the advantage of using a proven Apollo component that is already manrated. The SSME's are also already manrated rather than the RS-68 of the Boeing proposal.Because of its small small size compared to the shuttle ET propellant tank it would also be relatively low cost as well as only needing one SSME engine. In fact it would even be smaller than the Falcon 9, Delta IV, and Atlas V expendable launchers. Note as well NASA is leaning now to using SSME's or their expendable versions rather than the RS-68 for their shuttle derived manned launchers.Hudson in his article stated the S-IVB was designed by the Douglas Aircraft Company, which merged with McDonnell Aircraft to form McDonnell Douglas. McDonnell Douglas is now a division of Boeing, so Boeing should have access to the design documents of the S-IVB.NASA in their shuttle-derived launcher studies have focused on getting a cheaper version of the SSME by making an expendable version. However, the greatest advantage of a SSTO is in being reusable. Then I suggest studies be made on the SSME going the opposite direction: how can it be made to be reusable at much reduced maintenance cost?Now the SSME's have to be overhauled after every flight costing ten's of millions of dollars. However, Henry Spencer a highly regarded expert on the history of space flight has said Rocketdyne studies show that with a lot of work to upgrade it, maintenance could be reduced to $750K per flight:Engine reusability (Henry Spencer)http:\/\/yarchive.net\/space\/rocket\/engine_reusability.htmlSpencer here said this would not be satisfactory for really large reductions in space costs. But this would be a reduction in SSME maintenance costs by 1 to 2 orders of magnitude, a major reduction in the costs for using the engine. The question is: how much would it cost to make the necessary upgrades to the engine?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.077449472Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-07-03T18:42:58+0100", "id": "d3cc216e279b64f7fc8001cb0127abea", "post_id": "post-219510", "text": "Interesting.Strangers are more strange when they are somewhat out of their natural habitat.When i'm in cities that are rich on monuments, i often take shots of the tourists playing their role:They don't usually notice, or look the wrong way:Or just waste time in the hot sun doing something that they think is unavoidable:I'm still thousands of miles from my collection, so i'll have to watch birds fly below:And, for a different definition of cool, here is an incomplete attempt to film the entire year as would be seen by somebody, who accidentally set 3000000x time accel, and looked out of the window:And 100000x one (HD available in both):The camera, unfortunately, gave way after only four months.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.929647616Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-06T08:22:17+0100", "id": "a912915100fc2a2a6416662d66069932", "post_id": "post-251684", "text": "Codz said:And it was launched and ferried by a US rocket and probe. I'd still partially count it though.\n\nRosetta has the chance in two years to become the first probe to land on a comet, without US contributions... but no planet.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433006336Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2008-05-11T22:57:26+0100", "id": "5991ea67b6ea6b1f558a7abb94818351", "post_id": "post-65199", "text": "computerex said:My opinion on this is negligible, but to all the people opposing this notion, I would like to ask you to think what you would want if you were in the situation of Burmese people. It's easy to say big words while we are in the comfort of our air conditioned houses with our bellies full and our thirst quenched.\n\nComputerex, I agree with you there. The US doesn't want to start a war, doesn't want to change the government, Just help the out the people there.The article doesn't always tell the full story, I heard about a day after the cyclone that the US were thinking about unauthorised air drops. I also doubt that they would be fired upon unless Burma has gotten some decent AA weapons", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.281737472Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-28T00:37:00+0100", "id": "ec0c424e5f343d72b59a47614bd79ed7", "post_id": "post-219754", "text": "I can vouch for ar81's tutorial, it's worth the download (get the other anim8tor tutorials as well).Texturing is kind of an art form, I'm learning as I go. It's less voodoo than I thought, but can still be tricky.", "thread_id": 14037 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.977632Z", "author": "Ripley", "date": "2012-08-08T07:07:34+0100", "id": "1f417716dee6c089d38d39da8debc72e", "post_id": "post-251763", "text": "Me too. And how big is Gale.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.491703552Z", "author": "Silvercn", "date": "2008-05-11T19:23:09+0100", "id": "4bd8f4ea91d9ffc099d0115fb2bcad4f", "post_id": "post-65222", "text": "Hehe okay thx, i Comlpete to MIR today also.I was thinking is more difficult:pReally nice:D", "thread_id": 1407 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.632763392Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-19T01:48:40+0100", "id": "93e089b0490bcf03bea945c7fdfc0338", "post_id": "post-220900", "text": "Columbia42 said:I'll start doing some preliminary models of the surface base including (hopefully) the CM. When you're finished with the dunes, could you post them so that I can add them to my surface base?\n\nColumbia42 said:---------- Post added at 12:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 AM ----------btw, an update to the list of models needed on the wiki; we also need greenhouses.\n\nCool thanks,Um the dunes will be separate from the other buildings. ie, dunes is its own separate meshes\/vehicles. So they don't have to be added to your mesh:cheers:Bloodworth said:BJ, forgive me, I know this is trivial compared to the rest of the project. I was just looking at the wiki page and noticed the memorial plaque. I think that if we are going to do this then we should put it on the viking 1 lander as that was the first vehicle to land on mars. Again, sorry for such a trivial thing.\n\nSo, we are supposed to drag along a viking lander? The plaque was suggested a while ago and truly is not a 'necessity' just something suggested a while ago. I think it will be more like a 'if we are in the area,' type of thing.---------- Post added at 05:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:45 PM ----------Izack said:Could someone send me a list of cargoes required for this mission? I can get on making the textures, if you'd like.\n\nright-oIll get it on wiki in a quick secIzack said:Bloodworth: Why not? You're the surface expedition manager, so it's your choice.\n\nWe do have to drag that vessel over, so unless that vessel could be used as the 'sampler' then actually it would work out well... though I smell another model...;)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.115691776Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-30T23:30:19+0100", "id": "3e77647bdcf40f3d8b604a560881aaac", "post_id": "post-252258", "text": "Have you actually read the last two posts in this thread? If the file was missing, Orbiter would stop and complain about it, it wouldn't just carry on regardless and pretend nothing's wrong. That only happens in certain circumstances, as detailed above. It's not due to missing files.", "thread_id": 16272 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57720832Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-03-07T19:20:50+0000", "id": "8a527828a22fecb9c98dfe87a83ddc54", "post_id": "post-220142", "text": "RGClark said:In doing some background web searches, I found that the upper stage of theDirect team's Jupiter-246 vehiclealso would become SSTO when switched to a SSME engine. I guess I should not have been surprised by this. The thesis I have been arguing repeatedly via email with individuals in NASA and the industry and on space forums such as this one is that if you use BOTH the most weight optimized designs AND the highest efficiency engines available, then what you will wind up with will be SSTO capable whether you intend it to or not....We'll take the liftoff thrust\/weight ratio to be 1.2. This will bring the gross mass down to 170,000 kg. Then the propellant mass has to be reduced by 34,000 kg. This brings the propellant mass down to 156,850 kg. Note this results in a mass ratio close to 13, well sufficient for SSTO with a hydrogen-fueled engine....Then using Hudson's 425s average Isp for the SSME and the 9,200 m\/s required delta-V value for orbit, this stage as an SSTO could loft 6,200 kg to orbit:425*9.8ln(1 + 156,850\/(13,150 + 6,200)) = 9,200 m\/s.Again, we might be able to loft 10% greater total mass to orbit withpropellant densificationby subcooling and also shave 10% off the structural mass of the stage with therecent weight saving research. This will bring the payload mass up to about 9,000 kg...\n\nThere might still be some resistance to using the upper stage as a SSTO. However, the point of the matter is even if you use these upper stages as part of a multistage system you are still better off usingbothhighly weight optimized structuresandengines of highest surface-to-orbit-efficiency (not just vacuum optimized engines)at the same time.We'll use in this case parallel staging of the same sized stages, abimeseversion, but using cross-feed fueling. This is a fueling method that has both stages firing, as with parallel staging, but all the propellant is coming from only a single stage at a time. Then when that stage exhausts its propellant, it is jettisoned, and the remaining stage proceeds on with its own full tank of propellant still remaining.Let's see how much payload we can carry in this case. Again assume the 425s trajectory averaged Isp of Hudson, and the 9,200 m\/s required delta-V for orbit.Estimate the possible payload as 29,000 kg. For the first segment of the flight the achieved delta-V would be: 425*9.8ln(1+156,850\/(2*13,150 + 156,850 +29,000)) = 2,305 m\/s.For the second segment, use the 455s vacuum Isp of the SSME's:455*9.8ln(1 + 156,850\/(13,150 + 29,000)) =6,921. And the total delta-V is 9,226 m\/s, sufficient for orbit with a 29,000 kg payload.Note that a 29,000 kg payload is sufficient to even carry a Orion capsule, at least in an expendable version of the staged vehicle without reentry and landing systems.Then you have different options for the vehicle. As a single stage it could carry a small capsule such as the SpaceX Dragon, or the Boeing CST-100. But using twinned copies of it, it would be able to loft the heavier Orion spacecraft.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664992512Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T23:08:00+0100", "id": "c902f548c165a88f01551a981e27fbf7", "post_id": "post-220647", "text": "Dambuster said:ISV Venture Star, anyone?:p\n\nThat is...exactly what I was thinking.On the upside, there probably won't be any blue monkey women where we're going. Or...is that a bad thing? :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.13871616Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-08-29T21:40:48+0100", "id": "857d1b232b03a6ba51e8320f949ef623", "post_id": "post-252280", "text": "ahh, that's really sad news:(", "thread_id": 16277 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.614052352Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-07T05:05:20+0100", "id": "575489647a35ce178967a97dfa8a3632", "post_id": "post-220731", "text": "Bloodworth said:Ok, we appear to have a majority concencus. The name of the project is officially Prometheus.:)The only suggestion I can come up with for a mission patch is that it should include a flame (in recognition of prometheus).\n\nI'll start making us a mission patch then. I'll having it finished early next week, since I'm busy this weekend. Not like were in a rush for a patch.:pI can also make a couple meshes (Though, I'm no master modeler, but they aren't too complicated.) but same as the patch, I can't get started until next week, due to busy weekend. I also probably can't texture this well enough, so someone else will have to texture whatever I model.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555323392Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-02T23:12:59+0000", "id": "1e9e527fcbec2bdfcc7d9a5125a601d1", "post_id": "post-220307", "text": "Can't tell that this impresses me a lot. The Falcon 1 did nothing more but reach orbit, something which the Scout rocket already did with a much smaller launch crew as the Falcon 1 needed. And the Russians use even less for their Dnepr launches.If you don't need to do much, you don't need a big launch crew. And in case of the Falcon family, you can't even say that the small launch crew of it is really effective. Their big advantage is that they can afford letting their rockets catch rust on the launch pad for weeks before finally lifting off. They have no serious launch rate yet. And use NASA resources quite a lot during the launches.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.758665216Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-06-11T19:02:44+0100", "id": "8f7f1ef2ed9063de1439e060bdcdef1d", "post_id": "post-251377", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity's shrinking landing ellipse:There was good news and bad news in this morning's press briefing about Curiosity rover's upcoming landing on Mars, just eight weeks from now. First, the good news: the landing ellipse has shrunk. What does that mean? When you try to land something on Mars, you aim at a specific location, but nature has a way of throwing unexpected things at you. The Curiosity team has built extremely sophisticated computer models of their spacecraft and of the Martian atmosphere and then threw a jillion different sets of starting conditions at the simulated rover on landing day. Those simulations result in a scatter plot of sorts of likely actual landing sites for the rover. Draw an oval around those, and you have what's called a landing ellipse. {...}Anyway, getting back to Curiosity, the landing ellipse used to be 25 kilometers long by 20 kilometers wide, but now it's much smaller: 20 by 7. This is actually not a surprise -- throughout the site selection process it was mentioned that the final ellipse would likely shrink -- but I am pleasantly surprised by how small they got it.{...}The bad news: there's a lurking problem with the drilling system, in that there are materials including Teflon and molybdenum disulfide (if I understood John Grotzinger correctly) that wind up getting mixed with the sampled rock and delivered to the science instruments. They're working to understand its nature and develop workarounds; to do so, they've had to build two more drill test facilities in addition to the one they already had. Grotzinger was actually discussing ways to use the scoop only to get uncontaminated samples. I know that journalists like Dick Kerr and Dan Vergano have their hooks into this story, so I'll be looking for their reports later to see what specifics they dig up.{...}\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660238336Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-03T19:58:49+0100", "id": "a8eefb96cc6c370d7f26acc45d8a3d01", "post_id": "post-220601", "text": "Urwumpe said:Would a blimp work in the low density atmosphere of Mars?\n\nWhy not? It would naturally have to be enormous. Average surface pressure is 600 pascals as opposed to Earth's 14 690, which presents a few engineering problems, but it is certainly not impossible. Certainly a dirigible would be ludicrous, but something more akin to a weather balloon is totally plausible.I'd be more concerned with its propulsion than its buoyancy.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.576283136Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-03-05T19:08:18+0000", "id": "11c4cbc980701f3aefd5d4863a6f4039", "post_id": "post-220131", "text": "RGClark said:I think of mass ratio in the other direction so would say it would change by a factor of 3. That's a big change.\n\nNot at all. Like said above, it only adds 1.09 x average exhaust velocity to the spacecraft.[math]\\ln{3} = 1.09[\/math][math]\n-w \\cdot \\ln \\left ( \\frac{1}{3} \\cdot r \\right ) = -w \\cdot \\ln{\\frac{1}{3}} -w \\cdot \\ln { r }\n[\/math]If it previously had 1200 m\/s, which is roughly the maximum feasible of the current spacecraft, the larger one will just have 3000 m\/s. Still about 6000 m\/s short of a SSTO.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.933485568Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-08-06T10:03:35+0100", "id": "4e9521aff7462b1fe5bc477f9d4e49f5", "post_id": "post-251694", "text": "Codz said:Image received!\n\nCongrats to NASA and JPL.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.082077696Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-08-06T08:44:18+0100", "id": "e3d40fe4ecc99960f58a188b17e802cd", "post_id": "post-219534", "text": "These are pretty cool IMHO:FromAPOD:What that CME looked like when it got here:A live webcam from Casey Station where the above pic was taken:http:\/\/www.aad.gov.au\/asset\/webcams\/casey\/default.asp", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.73721088Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-04-26T08:44:29+0100", "id": "6ba3815d9f4f93441458655b53869af8", "post_id": "post-219294", "text": "must......resist.....can't.....Mustn't.......RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!http:\/\/www.southparkstudios.com\/clips\/155142\/?searchterm=Free+Willzyx", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.51013888Z", "author": "Mindblast", "date": "2010-09-01T20:51:49+0100", "id": "115d5ca2b3c26abb298fdee8d6439c32", "post_id": "post-252738", "text": "Code:GPU Name=ATI MOBILITY RADEON X1600\n--Initializing precomputation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone, time=145151.1 per quad\n--Generating on cpu...\nDone, time=4473546.7 per quadThe GPU window just showed as white though while the CPU one showed a generated texture.edit: shader.log:Code:genprog:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nWARNING: 0:87: implicit cast from int to float\nWARNING: 0:93: implicit cast from int to float\nWARNING: 0:125: implicit cast from int to float\nFragment shader(s) failed to link, vertex shader(s) linked. \nFragment Shader not supported by HWWARNING: 0:87: implicit cast from int to float\nWARNING: 0:93: implicit cast from int to float\nWARNING: 0:125: implicit cast from int to float", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.458996224Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-04-29T19:25:35+0100", "id": "b426819b90ec54425407e3f348808bf0", "post_id": "post-219909", "text": "2010 is a chump compared to 2004 and 2007!:hmm:", "thread_id": 14060 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551642112Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-22T02:42:11+0100", "id": "c7ed3d81751f79ebc2cb8a3c5a40a96b", "post_id": "post-220268", "text": "From what I've read the DC-X did achieve its performance goals:LESSONS LEARNEDDC-X OPERATIONS.A.J. Polizzip. 8http:\/\/www.ispcs.com\/files\/ww\/files\/presentations\/nino.pdfDC-X experimental lander set up Boeing for future NASA work.by Ed Memi\"The DC-X was designed for reliability,maintainability, supportability and operability.Given the uncertainties of the design, theplan was to produce a deliberately simple testvehicle and to \u201cfly a little, break a little\u201d togain experience with a fully reusable quickturnaroundspacecraft. Demonstration objectivesincluded a 7-day turnaround betweenflights with a 3-day goal and use of 50 orfewer on-vehicle maintenance personnel.The program achieved a 26-hour turnaroundwith 10 maintenance personnel.\"http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/news\/frontiers\/archive\/2008\/aug\/i_history.pdfThe new FFSC (full-flow staged-combustion) engine being investigatedthough is interesting in being able to cut down the maintenance costswhile extending the engine life to the range of 200 missions:New liquid rocket engine cycle fares well in test.http:\/\/www.sae.org\/aeromag\/techfocus\/10-2006\/2-26-9-27.pdfRethinking engines.March 8, 2007Stephen J. MrazRocket engines and the internal-combustion cycle get a remake, thanks to engineering ingenuity.http:\/\/machinedesign.com\/article\/rethinking-engines-0308Bob Clark---------- Post added at 01:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:20 AM ----------Just saw this:The SpaceXFalcon Heavy Booster: Why Is It Important?by John K. Strickland, Jr.September, 2011\"What amazes people is that SpaceX has broken the long-sought 1,000dollars a pound to orbit price barrier with a rocket which is stillexpendable. 'How can he (SpaceX CEO Elon Musk) possibly do this?' theyask. The Chinese have said flatly that there is no way they cancompete with such a low price. It is important to remember that thiswas not done in a single step. The Falcon 9 already has a large priceadvantage over other boosters, even though it does not have thepayload capacity of some of the largest ones. The 'Heavy' will eventhis score and then some. At last count, SpaceX had a launch manifestof over 40 payloads, far exceeding any current government contracts,with more being added every month. These are divided between theFalcon 9 and the Falcon Heavy.\"http:\/\/www.nss.org\/articles\/falconheavy.htmlI think the most important accomplishment of SpaceX might turn outto be that they showed in stark terms that privately financed spacecraft,both launchers and crew capsules, can be accomplished at 1\/10th thedevelopmental cost of government financed ones. Imagine a manned,reusable orbital launcher, for example, instead of costing, say, $3 billion,only costing $300 million to develop.As I argue, the key variable that made this reduction possible is thatthe launcher was privately financed. That is, it was the launchcompany's own money that was financing its development. In that caseit makes sense the company would be more fiscally responsible indeveloping it.Then the first step in reducing the price to orbit is making thevehicles be privately financed. But if the launch companies are goingto spend their own money, they have to be convinced they can make aprofit on them. This will come if there is a significant market.My view is that there would be a significant market for small,privately owned, SSTO's. When you consider that with orbital refuelingsuch craft can also make lunar missions, the market becomes even moreapparent.An additional finance stream of such vehicles that would make themmarketable I argue could be salvage of satellites in LEO or GEO:Space junk at 'tipping point', now getting worse on its own.More collisions generate more debris, so more collisions.By Gavin ClarkePosted in Space, 2nd September 2011 11:18 GMThttp:\/\/www.theregister.co.uk\/2011\/09\/02\/space_junk_danger\/Article:World's First Space Gas Station for Satellites to Launch in 2015.by Clara Moskowitz, SPACE.com Senior WriterDate: 15 March 2011 Time: 06:03 PM ET\"Until now, satellites orbiting around Earth have been limited by howmuch fuel they carry onboard. Once those tanks run dry, the satellitesdie, sometimes languishing in space as uncontrollable debris that thenposes the risk of colliding with other spacecraft.\"The new plan offers the potential not just to extend the lives ofworking satellites, but to help combat the growing space junk problem.The satellite, called the Space Infrastructure Servicing (SIS)vehicle, is designed not just to transfer more fuel into existingsatellites, but to inspect, tow, reposition and make minor repairs tothem.\"In addition to its tank of fuel, the refueling satellite will carry arobotic arm that can be used to grab onto satellites and tug at stucksolar array panels, for example, or attempt other minor fixes tobroken parts.'This is a first-time-ever, huge, huge, huge event,' said AndrewPalowitch, director of the Space Protection Program, a joint projectof U.S. Air Force Space Command and the National ReconnaissanceOffice, speaking at a National Research Council workshop on orbitaldebrislast week.\"Palowitch stressed that the ability to tow or refuel dead satellitesin order to steer them out of the way would have a big impact on thegrowing problem of dangerous space debris clogging the crowdedcorridors of Earth orbit. [Worst Space Debris Events of All Time]'In the context of debris removal, this is the absolute best andabsolute most fantastic new venture for the entire space community,'he said.\"The refueling satellite will be able to move dead spacecraft towhat's called the 'graveyard orbit,' where they are high enough thatthey should not pose a risk to working satellites, or maneuver themlow enough that they break apart in Earth's atmosphere.\"http:\/\/www.space.com\/11135-satellite-refueling-mission-space-debris.htmlRemember the TV showSalvage 1?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.532979712Z", "author": "Master of Blades", "date": "2008-05-28T13:26:53+0100", "id": "96776309ccae0820c66fcf917dfe1efc", "post_id": "post-69071", "text": "No i can't code C++ (yet), and neither am I requesting any form of complex processing. But imagine following scenario:Shutte launches, jettisons SRB Et yadayada (you know how it's done). SRB are recovered, taken into VAB (where they, presumably, despawn) shuttle deorbits lands at KSC, taken into VAB, you press funny button, new launch ready shuttle pops out.However, the ET jettisoned from the previous launch, would IRL have burned up in the atmosphere, but it won't (i presume) in orbiter, and will crash land somewhere.If i launch again, i will jettison yet another ET, i was thinking, perhaps, after a while, all these ETs might affect performance D:", "thread_id": 1633 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5288064Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T20:49:06+0100", "id": "f232f66f5035622cf83849f2e3cf2d4e", "post_id": "post-220068", "text": "IronRain said:in fact, Soyuz was kind of build to be automated, right?\n\nYes, it is like all Russian spacecraft, heavily automated. You could let a Soyuz TMA land yourself automatically, with only minimal knowledge about it.N_Molson said:And it looks like there is a very intersting cable aboard the ISS (that allows Ground Control to control Fuel Cell reactant valve).\n\nsuch control over the valve is needed for safing the orbiter AFTER a safe landing.", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.654052096Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-06-12T22:44:04+0100", "id": "3c70892e261170f5927f36d00b809c50", "post_id": "post-221066", "text": "This is just me thinking (err, typing) out loud here, but...I'd been thinking also about surface exploration, and depending on the landing site could be tailored accordingly. There is already an aircraft (UAV) available at the 'hanger that could be deployed for data gathering, manned and unmanned rovers, plus the blimps I'd mentioned (thinking of Kim Stanley Robinson'sMarsseries).I've been tinkering with the blimp, what I've come up with looks nothing like the Goodyear blimp in any way, form or fashion. Just basically a group of gas-bags tethered together with a gondola slung underneath. I think at best it'd only hold a crew of 3, but it'd be cramped. I'm really not that good with meshes (these things are complicated) and the textures are rudimentary at best.I'm not sure how to manuver them around either, I don't remember what they used inMars...For ground exploration I think something like the Azure rover would be perfect, if not a little fantastic. Plus it's probably too heavy to consider for now...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.6294784Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-09-03T13:28:24+0100", "id": "97015fcc26606791461946c6cdc04ae5", "post_id": "post-253017", "text": "I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it!LET'S DO IT!", "thread_id": 16341 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.559029504Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-10T20:34:03+0000", "id": "6c21af74b95074134793d1aa48805530", "post_id": "post-220355", "text": "I calculated the payload even with reentry\/landing systems as 4,500 kg while the mass of the Dragon capsule is 4,200 kg.\n\nFor Dragon to be useful, it has to carry other stuff-mass, like people or cargo (and propellant). Having effectively just the mass of the capsule means that you have little or nothing left over to allocate to payload.If you keep the capsule\/cargo\/crew cabin attached to the vehicle at all times, you can eliminate some things (such as the heatshield, for example), but then you also have to deal with other disadvantages- such as modifying the entire stage for operation for relatively long durations in space, carrying enough propellant for rendezvous\/proximity operations, etc...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.656443648Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-06-22T03:23:48+0100", "id": "413b5043426f1156349dace692e51cf2", "post_id": "post-221093", "text": "ar81 said:but I do not see life support.\n\nLife support more or less would be integrated, however we aren't going to attempt to simulate everything that could happen in a mission like this, it would take years to code it all, and quite a bit of time training.ar81 said:Humans ned food, water and air to live and they produce solid and wet waste that account a very important amount of mass during the period of the mission. Recycling is a key element. There are more and less efficient methods to process these substances.\n\nI think the ISS ECLSS probably be a great ECLSS model for us. Actually I was looking for the kg a person would need for food\/water\/air ext and only just now found the human requirements.http:\/\/ntrs.nasa.gov\/archive\/nasa\/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov\/20090029327_2009028591.pdf-pg3I hope at least we will have something like Dan's UCGO modification for the ISS, where the hab module will have a 'trash' dump feature and food intake feature. The food intake willnot exactly be like Dan's ISS where it takes it from the outside. The food storage should be in a pressurized cargo container that could even be detached later when empty. It could probably be stored along the truss of the station.ar81 said:Photosynthesis is the most efficient method to absorb carbon dioxide, much more efficient than lithium or potassium based systems, for example.\n\nCorrect me if I am wrong, but wouldn't dependence on a plant source for CO2 scrubbing be a little unreliable? What if the plants don't grow? They also need water to grow and water is fairly heavy. Also the light energy at Mars distance from the Sun is less so it might not let the plants photosynthesize effectively or at all.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.67426176Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2008-07-28T16:30:49+0100", "id": "ef3fc05065c405f462457572919c0aa5", "post_id": "post-69101", "text": ":sos: Anyone has a list of the data in the VDT (Vehicle Data Table)??? I have around 20-25 (of 128 fields) taken from the docs posted above...:sos:Also about the start enable\/shutdown enable and start\/shutdown cmds: my understanding is that they have to be sequential (ex. start enable, start). Any other cmd after the start enable will \"reset\" the enable... can anyone confirm this?", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.437214464Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-04-28T23:42:39+0100", "id": "1eb1192c83cabf5e57d3ee39859ed203", "post_id": "post-219816", "text": "What do you guys use when you want to take one or two XR-5s with you on an interplanetary flight? Most of the usual suspects for interplanetary stuff don't have the power or the proper balance for the job. The James Cook and Deepstar 2.0 both have opposite docking ports for balance, but don't have the thrust. Has anyone else successfully taken an XR5 to Jupiter or Saturn?", "thread_id": 14052 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56446848Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-08-08T14:55:49+0100", "id": "4cd10e1a7b6cb2ee725c2c5d50f2b3e1", "post_id": "post-220421", "text": "N_Molson said:Not at all. Basically, you just have to input the correct numbers in the configuration files. Just take any rocket that comes with the package and replace the numbers by your own, as a theoretical experiment.\n\nWhere are the configuration files and how do you execute the program?Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.50498816Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-30T21:25:11+0100", "id": "49ba1889ea361cc3659f1c3e934365b8", "post_id": "post-220027", "text": "I want one!!!It would be highly useful on a geology field trip.", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.935196928Z", "author": "Pipcard", "date": "2012-08-06T16:52:49+0100", "id": "87d0088bda4a7a84929ba4022ce97953", "post_id": "post-251708", "text": "I wasn't here to see the live landing, but congratulations NASA!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6437504Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-27T06:55:28+0100", "id": "37fdd3aee98445fc13f284ef8347e3b1", "post_id": "post-220976", "text": "Bj said:Sounds cool, I like this version. Question though, would the skycrane be used as a lift on earth as well? Or splashdown for Earth landings? Effective use of the Mars to orbit vessel. I suppose we can use tether MFD or something. (Does it look like a rope or...?)\n\nOnly as Mars Shuttle, and for heavy payloads even just for landing. I think with an attachment, we would be better off, no need to use tether MFD for something that simple. The design could maybe also be used as orbital space tug, since it does some berthing\/unberthing operations for its duty.Bj said:If you want its fine but don't expect any VC outta me :thumbup:\n\nI want it all.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.986824448Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2012-08-17T10:05:14+0100", "id": "6652c92ef55c335a52be5c286a750ce8", "post_id": "post-251827", "text": "n122vu said:I couldn't think of a better place for this...:rofl:http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=QFvNhsWMU0c&feature=youtu.be\n\n:thumbup: What SpaceX will respond with?\"We can saw down a nozzle! \/ we can saw down a nozzle!\":lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.295885568Z", "author": "The Aviator", "date": "2010-04-27T22:21:01+0100", "id": "b00221df4dfc289fb04ebad983076ff3", "post_id": "post-219759", "text": "Thanks for your quick response.:)VistaBoost resolved the low fps problem, but the 2d panel is still all messed up. I can't figure out what could be the cause of this. :blink:", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.511801856Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-30T09:14:17+0100", "id": "78933605e3911166913a69d215ec0c46", "post_id": "post-220028", "text": "i watched a video on youtube.these are screenshot of the video.who knows what's that .another simulator?", "thread_id": 14074 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.046566912Z", "author": "Ripley", "date": "2018-02-02T16:53:24+0000", "id": "15c3c28d133ab0d4ed40162596787a28", "post_id": "post-252215", "text": "Edit:\"Curiosity at Martian Scenic Overlook\" YouTube video already posted", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433400064Z", "author": "eveningsky339", "date": "2008-05-12T01:47:48+0100", "id": "ede5ec97a0621af43f3306614751f816", "post_id": "post-65203", "text": "\"Humanitarian Invasion\"? There's no such thing. People have a tendency to die in wars, and I believe that the countries giving aid are trying to achieve the opposite effect.Besides, the U.S. is so tied up in the Middle East right now that sending more troops to Asia would be sheer folly, unless we mobilized our marines staying in Japan.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.130475264Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-08-29T23:18:44+0100", "id": "db59173bf3e35d1a47667f59b63992f4", "post_id": "post-252272", "text": "Jarvit\u00e4 said:It just gives you a sense of scale when you keep in mind that even with all those asteroids, a random transfer orbit through the asteroid belt still gives you a practically zero probability of coming close to an asteroid.\n\nTell that to the dinosaurs...", "thread_id": 16276 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.600553216Z", "author": "Wally", "date": "2010-05-12T09:35:39+0100", "id": "bdcfd26582a2470901b026a4c805ac23", "post_id": "post-220519", "text": "astrosammy said:It should be somehow possible writing a simple module, using the SetThrustLevel function or so (don't remember the exact name). That could also be used to simulate the forward RCS fuel limitations (allowing to dump it's fuel before re-entry. The killrot as described in the post may be possible. I'll take a look tomorrow.\n\nAny luck with that?:)", "thread_id": 14081 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.517315584Z", "author": "markl316", "date": "2010-05-01T01:18:10+0100", "id": "98d2f4fec31e182ac9346c754cb42f8a", "post_id": "post-220038", "text": "So, given an ejection seat and a parachute, how many of you would ride the Reliant Robin? I probably would, given the two things mentioned above.", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.579269376Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2011-07-04T17:50:02+0100", "id": "5b5ad22faff0135747e0b6ce116f26b8", "post_id": "post-220165", "text": "SSTOs do not make launches cheap. They make the rockets simpler because they do away with the staging stuff. However, with chemical rockets it's not feasible and even if you could fly the thing into orbit, what about the payload? SSTOs also make sense if you're also recovering it intact, otherwise you're leaving a big bad rocket stranded Up There waiting to come down and burn your investment or something else on the ground.If we want practical SSTOs we need nuclear engines. However, we'll have to call them \"fuzzy fluffy bunny rockets\" or the public opinion will commit mass suicide in order not to risk being killed by radiation.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.36176512Z", "author": "Suzy", "date": "2010-09-02T07:14:42+0100", "id": "3e2de74f48be48f56914246997b42896", "post_id": "post-252448", "text": "Isn't the Russian government concerned about technology transfer? I couldn't see the USAF allowing private companies to buytheirjets.", "thread_id": 16300 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.625247488Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-12T03:04:57+0100", "id": "d4dbc41a9a26f24c463761f9894a53b4", "post_id": "post-220827", "text": "Wolfer said:We can reduce that by aerobraking into Mars orbit.\n\nFor parts that have heat shields and whatnot, but you realize this would be for the MSS... like putting a huge heat shield over the ISS. I am pretty sure the joints, solar panels and connecting pieces where not meant to take a lot of wind resistance & heating. :thumbup: also lugging around a heatshield of that size would cause more weight then its worth.This would only work for vessels capable of aerobraking, though if there are vessels that are capable, then that would help quite a bit.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630538752Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-16T21:06:45+0100", "id": "811ecfec5ba3214f73e7081672d8e88e", "post_id": "post-220879", "text": "I pictured the Mars greenhouses similar to what you described. I agree on that being the best course.Covering modules with martian soil was mentioned before, and again I agree.How would we simulate construction of the artificial dunes? Or would we just have them there as part of the base from the start and just pretend we did it?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.759981824Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-03T00:02:23+0100", "id": "d5601e38f30df80adfa9ae37360c5f47", "post_id": "post-251389", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Fireworks Over Mars: The Spirit of 76 PyrotechnicsJuly 02, 2012One month and a day after celebrating its independence with fireworks exhibitions throughout the country, America will carry its penchant for awe-inspiring aerial pyrotechnic displays to the skies of another world. Some pyrotechnics will be as small as the energy released by a box of matches. One packs the same oomph as a stick of TNT. Whether they be large or small, on the evening of August 5th (Pacific time), all 76 must work on cue as NASA's next Mars rover, Curiosity, carried by the Mars Science Laboratory, streaks through the Red Planet's atmosphere on its way to a landing at Gale Crater.Click on image to enlarge\u200bOne month and a day after America celebrates its independence with fireworks, a series of meticulously-engineered fireworks must operate for the Curiosity rover to safely reach the surface of the Red Planet as shown in this artist's concept.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b\"We are definitely coming in with a bang - or a series of them,\" said Pete Theisinger, Mars Science Laboratory project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. \"You only get one shot at a Mars landing, and the pyrotechnic charges we are using are great for reliably providing instantaneous, irreversible actions like deploying a parachute or opening a fuel valve.\"Explosive pyrotechnic devices predate the space age by about a thousand years. Around 750 A.D., people in China began stuffing an early form of gunpowder into bamboo shoots and throwing them into a fire. At some point, someone interested in taking this new discovery to the next level (probably also from that region), decided aerial explosions would be even cooler, and the \"aerial salute\" was born. Fireworks were also part of America's very first Independence Day in 1777.Pyrotechnics, or pyromechanical devices, are a natural but highly-engineered extension of these early fireworks. Instead of a rocket's red glare and bombs bursting in air, the energy from these explosions is contained within a mechanism, where it is used to move, cut, pull or separate something. Controlled explosions are a valuable tool to those who explore beyond Earth's atmosphere because they are quick and reliable.\"When we need valves to open, or things to move or come apart, we want to be confident they will do so within milliseconds of the time we plan for them to do so,\" said Rich Webster, a pyromechanical engineer at JPL. \"With pyros, no electrical motors need to move. No latches need to be unlatched. We blow things apart -- scientifically.\"Seventeen minutes before landing, the first 10 of 76 pyros will fire within five milliseconds of each other, releasing the cruise stage that provided the entry capsule (and its cocooned descent vehicle and the Curiosity rover) with power, communications and thermal control support during its 254-day journey to Mars.\"We have essentially three miniature guillotines onboard that, when the pyros fire, cut cabling and metal tubing that run between the cruise stage and the entry capsule,\" said Luke Dubord, avionics engineer for Mars Science Laboratory at JPL. \"Then a retraction pyro pulls them out of the way. Along with that, we've got six pyrotechnic separation nuts, which when fired, will actually accomplish the separation.\"One hundred and twenty-five milliseconds later, two more pyros fire, releasing compressed springs that jettison two 165-pounds(75-kilogram) solid tungsten weights. These weights allow the entry capsule to perform history's first planetary lifting body entry (seehttp:\/\/mars.jpl.nasa.gov\/msl\/mission\/technology\/insituexploration\/edl\/guidedentry\/). A dozen minutes and one fiery, lifting-body atmospheric reentry later, another smaller set of tungsten weights is ejected by pyros to re-adjust the lander's center of mass for the final approach to the surface. A few seconds after that, the largest bang since the spacecraft separated from its Atlas rocket 254 days before is scheduled to occur.\"The Mars Science Lab parachute is the largest used on a planetary mission,\" said Dubord. \"When folded up and in its canister, it's still as big as a trashcan. We have to get that folded-up chute out of its canister and unfolding in a hurry. The best way to do that is get it quickly away from spacecraft and out into the freestream using a mortar.\"The best way to do that, the engineers at JPL decided, was to include a pyrotechnic charge equivalent to a stick of TNT.\"When something like this goes off, it makes a lot of noise\" said Dubord. \"Of course, at 8.7 miles [14 kilometers] up and a little over Mach 1, over Mars, I doubt anybody will be there to hear it.\"While the ejection of the parachute is the biggest pyrotechnic display during the crucial entry, descent and landing, it is certainly not the last. The landing system needs to be released from the backshell that helped protect it during entry. The sky crane's descent engines need to be pressurized, and the rover itself needs to be released from the sky crane, where it is lowered on tethers toward the surface. All told, there are another 44 controlled explosions that need to happen at exactly the right time and at absolutely no other time for Curiosity to touch down safely at Gale Crater.\"Excluding the parachute mortar, the total 'explosive' material in all the pyrotechnics aboard the spacecraft is only about 50 to 60 grams,\" said Webster. \"That is about the same amount of combustible material in the air bag in your car's steering wheel. When you do the math, the amount of explosive material in each pyrotechnic is only about what you would get out of a pack of matches.\"The thing is, a pack of matches won't help you land on Mars....pyrotechnics will,\" Webster added.The Mars Science Laboratory mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Curiosity was designed, developed and assembled at JPL. Caltech manages JPL for NASA.A video about the challenges of the landing is online at:http:\/\/go.nasa.gov\/Q4b35norhttp:\/\/go.usa.gov\/vMn.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.67130752Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-06T01:08:49+0100", "id": "5037f6d1a2f5a7589c7b8521b99afd77", "post_id": "post-220702", "text": "I`m highly disappointed no one else wanted `Pablo is Awesome`. I suppose Prometheus is the second best.:pSo it get`s my vote.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.764120832Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-24T17:19:14+0100", "id": "e74c5b82114389225051d2084b1ddf39", "post_id": "post-251418", "text": "Wil \"Wesley Crusher\" Wheaton talks about Curiosity on NASAtelevision's video:JPLnews:SPACE.com:Mars Rover Curiosity's Landing Site: Gale Crater (Infographic)\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902337792Z", "author": "Richy", "date": "2010-04-29T10:59:19+0100", "id": "d58e8086f706cb5a022c015b963a7dd8", "post_id": "post-219471", "text": "Tension is always better handled then compression, so theISV VentureStarin Avatar is designed topullit's cargo.I think for interplanetary or at least interstellar space ships, the puller design is much more favorable than the pusher, as it's used today.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.658876416Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2010-05-02T23:38:49+0100", "id": "f94e61013dda8b4097a06d12c0da0249", "post_id": "post-220587", "text": "\"Gather resources? build scientific outposts?\"Oh, i see...[Mars is the next step, but we need a time-table.Instead of building just a couple of bases on Mars and a Martian space station, how's this for an idea? Terraform Mars....Begin the construction of a Martian monitoring system with satellites and a space station to monitor the process...with \"local\" material...Phobos and Deimos could be exploited for minerals...\"]", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.929938432Z", "author": "ADSWNJ", "date": "2012-08-06T08:30:33+0100", "id": "cabc1d13fab3dd37090dfb4c438045ca", "post_id": "post-251686", "text": "Looking at the high-res grey strip on the Google Mars imagery, you can identify a couple of distinct craters, and then a surface feature that aligns with the NASA landing ellipses. I've ringed these in red. Using this, I have estimated the landing location (white).Looks like a bullseye to me.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.738765312Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2010-04-27T00:16:03+0100", "id": "64832204160fcd65b519b067a33ca94f", "post_id": "post-219300", "text": "I hope the American and Russian astronauts like burritos.", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.092021248Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2014-03-10T03:42:05+0000", "id": "b6e64fabd00c58d4fad9fd66b91e948c", "post_id": "post-219601", "text": "Unstung said:I'm not familiar with that photographer's work,\n\n\"That photographer\" is me LOL.I shot that photo in the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC a year or two ago. I just thought it was interesting that you and I both saw a similar visual pattern and decided to photgraph them. I purposely waited until there were people visible.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.49628672Z", "author": "Suzy", "date": "2010-09-02T07:17:56+0100", "id": "3fc3a1ff28cc62e811ccc243a48d3b1c", "post_id": "post-252695", "text": "And some women wonder why they aren't taken seriously...what a bimbo!:rolleyes:(She also looks like she's had some \"chest enhancement\")", "thread_id": 16320 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.296233472Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-04-27T23:07:01+0100", "id": "bb55cdc876d2011b3911e1d8745d3e0a", "post_id": "post-219760", "text": "Have you verified that your video mode is set to \"Direct3D T&L HAL\"? Also, please make sure you're using the latest NVidia driver for your card: you can checkhere.", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.563533568Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-07-26T20:42:45+0100", "id": "0f1494d0c8d262f2dcccca979351a5bd", "post_id": "post-220411", "text": "RGClark said:...The required delta v to orbit is frequently estimated as 30,000 feet per second for kerosene-fueled vehicles, 9,144 m\/s. When calculating the delta v your rocket can achieve, you can just use your engines vacuum Isp since the loss of Isp at sea level is taken into account in the 30,000 fps number. Then this version of the Falcon 9 first stage could lift 1,200 kg to orbit:310*9.81ln(1 + 250\/(11.8 + 1.2)) = 9,145 m\/s.Then the Falcon 9 first stage could serve as a proof of principle SSTO on the switch to the Merlin 1D engine.\n\nWe can probably do better than this. The Merlin 1D has a 147,000 lb sea level thrust:Modified Merlin engine completes full duration firing.BY STEPHEN CLARKSPACEFLIGHT NOWPosted: June 25, 2012http:\/\/www.spaceflightnow.com\/news\/n1206\/25merlin1d\/The gross mass of the Falcon 9 first stage with the Merlin 1D's and a 1.2 mT payload would be 250 + 11.8 + 1.2 = 263 mT, 578,600 lbs. This could be lofted by just 4 of the Merlin 1D's. But the thrust would be just a little over the gross mass resulting in high gravity loss. So let's use 5 Merlins. Subtracting off 4 Merlins makes the dry mass 11,800 - 4*450 = 10,000 kg.The number of 30,000 fps delta-v for LEO is assuming a T\/W ratio common for liquid fueled rockets, in the range 1.1 to 1.2. With all 9 Merlins the T\/W ratio would above 2.2. This would result in a much reduced gravity loss. So the required delta-v would be less than the 30,000 fps number, and so actually higher than 1.2 mT could be sent to LEO even in that case.But let's look at the case of using 5 Merlins. SpaceX has given a vacuum Isp of the Merlin 1D as actually 311 s. Then we could send 3.1 mT to LEO:311*9.81ln(1 + 250\/(10 + 3.1)) = 9,152 m\/s.SpaceX has said though they want to move to a larger version of the Falcon 9 called the Falcon 9 v1.1, in accordance with the Merlin 1D's larger thrust. The Falcon Heavy will use this version's first stage for its core stage and side boosters. SpaceX expects the Falcon 9 v1.1 to be ready by the end of the year.Elon Musk has said the version 1.1 will be about 50% longer:Q&A with SpaceX founder and chief designer Elon Musk.BY STEPHEN CLARKSPACEFLIGHT NOWPosted: May 18, 2012http:\/\/www.spaceflightnow.com\/falcon9\/003\/120518musk\/I'll assume this is coming from 50% larger tanks. This puts the propellant load now at 375,000 kg. Interestingly SpaceX says the side boosters on the Falcon Heavy will have a 30 to 1 mass ratio. This improvement is probably coming from the fact it is using the lighter Merlin 1D engines, and because scaling up a rocket actually improves your mass ratio, and also not having to support the weight of an upper stage and heavy payload means it can be made lighter.So I'll assume for this SSTO version of the Falcon 9 v1.1 the mass ratio is 30 to 1, which makes the dry mass 13 mT. Then this version can lift 6.7 mT to LEO:311*9.81ln(1 + 375\/(13 + 6.7))Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.520612608Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-09-02T15:59:38+0100", "id": "489cc904f86d7b56f9d66d5c56abaafa", "post_id": "post-252773", "text": "Right, we've been to the moon yes. But this is\/would be just a small set of scenarios for another small group of people, and a learning project for Polaris, should he desire to be the project manager.@ Polaris - I meant to ask last night, do you want to use current-tech, near-tech, or fantasy-tech? Or a mix?", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.089637888Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2013-10-05T12:25:05+0100", "id": "9a732c98746cf5d683e98a19beb2c99a", "post_id": "post-219584", "text": "The lack of activity in this thread disappoints me.I've recently complied all my photographs taken at or around ASU that I've edited and uploaded to the web. It's been just over a year and 25 photos.Album here, oldest to newestSome of the photos:(September 2012)(December 2012)(February 2013)(February 2013)(March 2013)(May 2013)(September 2013)(October 2013)The photos in the post above were captured with a DSLR (Nikon D3100), while these were taken with a point-and-shoot (Canon PowerShot S90).", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56799104Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-05-03T02:56:02+0100", "id": "8bda6f6f47a405a26dabbe9adc86b7df", "post_id": "post-220095", "text": "RGClark said:Thanks for the info. I haven't used the Orbiter sim yet. How long would it take to get up to speed to do this?\n\nNot long with the right instructions (Hint:Go Play in Space), and even easier if you already have a basic understanding of orbital mechanics.There are other tutorials here:http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/tutorials.phpGood luck, and say farewell to your significant others for few nights (more if you getaddicted:p).", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.521407488Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-05T02:33:01+0100", "id": "1878cea9444c49ad11d085ee3026a3ef", "post_id": "post-252782", "text": "Polaris said:Okay, I'll use someone else's addons. Sorry for turning you guys off to my ideas. I just had a concept in development.\n\nWell, if you can build your own vessels, etc. for your mission, by all means do so. Just...don't expect much turnout of other developers.May I ask what you had in mind for your vessel?", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.093856512Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2015-01-09T19:51:59+0000", "id": "c67383fa124be67001ab153602fac82a", "post_id": "post-219619", "text": "Can't remember if I had already posted this..Taken with my Samsung NX300 camera.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.669785856Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T22:23:07+0100", "id": "9916aba8d2ca1ac0a52944526a221ddc", "post_id": "post-220689", "text": "Bloodworth said:I have been wondering about that fordecades!!I just had an idea for a name:PROMETHEUSPrometheus brought fire down to man from the heavens, just as we are bringing that very same fire down to mars. That fire being (in the literal sense) the fire of the rockets (and in the figurative sense) the fire of knowledge. In acknowledgment of this fact, the mission patch could contain a flame.\n\nYES!! You have my vote. :thumbup:I believe I've made an accidental pun. (\"related\")Also, I should have paid attention during Greek mythology. (Actually I did pay attention, but it was still four years ago.:p)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.761313792Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-07-17T14:34:56+0100", "id": "df7fb4250231f9eeb3bd2fbf61415b5a", "post_id": "post-251399", "text": "xbox game about the landing --http:\/\/gizmodo.com\/5926464\/experien...tes-of-terror-with-your-own-body?popular=true", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.154713344Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-04-27T08:41:10+0100", "id": "f6241d2b9a10c1a1af91beeab20fc411", "post_id": "post-219666", "text": "I can attest to the the fact that the \"beta\" version of the XR vessels Doug mentions work just fine in the 2010 (beta) version of Orbiter, and handle the same as the \"originals\" - they just don't blow up in LEO. IMHO they are \"release candidates\" at the very least.", "thread_id": 14027 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.678485248Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-01T22:55:54+0100", "id": "c9e7d847eac081e544feff3d81adb37b", "post_id": "post-221104", "text": "Are the UCGO cargo's compatible with the XR-5 or is it limited to the cargoes that come with it? If they are compatible, how do I get the thing to grapple them?", "thread_id": 14085 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.552465408Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-11-13T12:22:25+0000", "id": "02b28a8329d24930858970e660276b6f", "post_id": "post-220277", "text": "T.Neo said:Wasn't this argued not to be the case? I tried to give examples inthis postshowing that engines could make up a fourth to a third the total stage dry mass, and I didn't include the thrust structure. And the figuresherefor the Atlas D show a booster mass of over 50% of the vehicle's dry mass! That isn't even including the sustainer engine and its thrust structure.Also, does anyone have a source describing the mass breakdown percentages of rocket stages? I've been trying to find this information for months! :shrug:\n\nFor the Atlas, since that is a booster section that drops away, that makes the comparison more difficult. Also the Atlas had an unusual method to save weight on the propellant tanks. It used what are called \"balloon tanks\". It's based on the idea that inflating a structure can increase its compressional and bending strength. Consider an inflated tire or basketball for example. Then this fact was used to reduce the thickness of the walls of the Atlas tanks. The reduced strength of the walls was made up for by the increased strength due to the internal pressure.In fact for the Atlas its walls are so thin the structure can not stand on its own when empty. When in storage its propellant tanks are filled with nitrogen. Otherwise it would collapse under its own weight:Atlas.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/lvs\/atlas.htmAs for a weight breakdown for the propellant tanks of a proposed SSTO, see the the estimates at the end here:Mass Estimating Relations\u2022 Review of iterative design approach\u2022 Mass Estimating Relations (MERs)\u2022 Sample vehicle design analysishttp:\/\/spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu\/academics\/483F09\/483F09L13.mass_est\/483F09L13.MER.pdfNote the propellant tanks for this hydrogen fueled SSTO weigh more than the engines. This problem of tank weight is especially true for hydrogen fueled vehicles because the tanks for hydrogen have to be so large, therefore heavy, because of hydrogen's low density.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.403212288Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-28T12:06:22+0100", "id": "17b75af7471acb66e06287b357f2cb9c", "post_id": "post-219797", "text": "Would be easier of you say which scenario you downloaded and what add-on it is part of.", "thread_id": 14045 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.250712064Z", "author": "Qdog002", "date": "2010-08-31T04:12:01+0100", "id": "2b538446576d3faae2264f31ee9015dc", "post_id": "post-252381", "text": "Can anyone tell me what version of the \"eagle\" works in Orbiter 2010?", "thread_id": 16291 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.445366272Z", "author": "DanM", "date": "2010-09-01T02:03:18+0100", "id": "805daca472d00fc8aa6b1bddd8985880", "post_id": "post-252574", "text": "I'm attempting a more proper rendezvous (DG-IV to Arrow Freighter). I used this formula from orbiterwiki:where- thedistance anglebetween the chasing spacecraft and the target spacecraft.m- the number ofapogeepasses on thetransfer ellipse.a- the semi-major axis of the transfer ellipse.rz- the radius of the target orbit (assumed circular).In my situation, a=rz. However, how do I find m?Also, when I have calculated the distance angle of my burn, how do I find the distance angle between myself and target? Is it an MFD?All answers are appreciated. Thank you!EDIT: Also, if anyone could please tell me the name of this formula it would be a big help.EDIT 2: Ok, I realized that the formula is used to find the number of apogee passes, not the distance angle. I realized that the dist. angle can be chosen as desired, but I personally would use a multiple of pi so then the number of apogee passes is a round number. However, how can I find the distance angle between myself and the target so I know when to burn?So am I correct if I want my distance angle to be -6\u2565, then -6\u2565=\u2565[1-2m+1], ultimately resulting in 2 apogee passes while on the transfer ellipse. Is this right?", "thread_id": 16307 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.631619584Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-18T00:44:31+0100", "id": "db6379d3dbb2bd7c563fccea566701d3", "post_id": "post-220889", "text": "Urwumpe said:I decided to use a mix between UCGO cargo boxes and larger prefab modules... it is just better for the start, if some critical buildings are quickly done.For the Command\/Hab module, the plan was to install the whole module as command section on the interplanetary spacecraft, and separate from it in Mars orbit. This way, less mass needs to be hauled around unused. Landing should be first by an inflatable heat shield (along the design of the IRDT, instead of the ballute), then by a skycrane module (just landing engines + enough fuel for flying back to Mars orbit again), that can be reused.The landing areas don't need a special texture, they are just for telling on the map, where to put landing beacons and where to land.A nuclear reactor does not need to be large, there had been one in the Mars Direct project, which had about the same power output as the ISS solar arrays. didn't need large cooling towers, because of the small power output.\n\nOh I see what your saying, the Hab module will stay in its current configuration throughout the entire mission, so it willnot be deploy-able, merely shift positions a lot.So this IRDT, I guess it will be super sized for the hab modules and whatever. They will also need to be modeled as well. I am guessing since this is inflatable, that the mesh can be in its rigid form when first deployed, (since inflatable we can use UCGO) then when deployed, will turn into its own vessel. (with attach points? docking doesn't work too well on the ground) When that vessel senses the ground it can switch meshes between the inflated version, to a deflated version.. or we can just make it easy and have it self delete...Um so we are going to use askycrane helicopterfor our LMO to surface missions? (OH version)I guess your talking a little different from RTGs. I have a hit on smallest nuclear reactorhttp:\/\/www.physorg.com\/news145561984.htmlor herehttp:\/\/www.hyperionpowergeneration.com\/product.html<- actually might be a suitable reactor. Small, and they say less than 50 tons. Think its possible to use this reactor?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.553340416Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-12-08T10:00:13+0000", "id": "43b805e3fb1ee8a774146a3c76a4d0c5", "post_id": "post-220285", "text": "RGClark said:Space Travel: The Path to Human Immortality?Space exploration might just be the key to human beings surviving mass genocide, ecocide or omnicide.July 24, 2009On December 31st, 1999, National Public Radio interviewed the futurist and science fiction genius Arthur C. Clarke. Since the author had forecast so many of the 20th Century's most fundamental developments, the NPR correspondent asked Clarke if anything had happened in the preceding 100 years that he never could have anticipated. \"Yes, absolutely,\" Clarke replied, without a moment's hesitation. \"The one thing I never would have expected is that, after centuries of wonder and imagination and aspiration, we would have gone to the moon ... and then stopped.\"http:\/\/www.alternet.org\/news\/141518\/space_travel:_the_path_to_human_immortality\/I remember thinking when I first saw 2001 as a teenager and could appreciate it more, I thought it was way too optimistic. We could never have huge rotating space stations and passenger flights to orbit and Moon bases and nuclear-powered interplanetary ships by then.That's what I thought and probably most people familiar with the space program thought that. And I think I recall Clarke saying once that the year 2001 was selected as more a rhetorical, artistic flourish rather than being a prediction, 2001 being the year of the turn of the millennium (no, it was NOT in the year 2000.)However, I've now come to the conclusion those could indeed have been possible by 2001. I don't mean the alien monolith or the intelligent computer, but the spaceflights shown in the film.It all comes down to SSTO's. As I argued above these could have led and WILL lead to the price to orbit coming down to the $100 per kilo range. The required lightweight stages existed since the 60's and 70's for kerosene with the Atlas and Delta stages, and for hydrogen with the Saturn V upper stages. And the high efficiency engines from sea level to vacuum have existed since the 70's with the NK-33 for kerosene, and with the SSME for hydrogen.The kerosene SSTO's could be smaller and cheaper and would make possible small orbital craft in the price range of business jets, at a few tens of millions of dollars. These would be able to carry a few number of passengers\/crew, say of the size of the Dragon capsule. But in analogy with history of aircraft these would soon be followed by large passenger craft.However, the NK-33 was of Russian design, while the required lightweight stages were of American design. But the 70's was the time of detente, with the Apollo-Soyuz mission. With both sides realizing that collaboration would lead to routine passenger spaceflight, it is conceivable that they could have come together to make possible commercial spaceflight.There is also the fact that for the hydrogen fueled SSTO's, the Americans had both the required lightweight stages and high efficiency engines, though these SSTO's would have been larger and more expensive. So it would have been advantageous for the Russians to share their engine if the American's shared their lightweight stages.For the space station, many have soured on the idea because of the ISS with the huge cost overruns. But Bigelow is planning on \"space hotels\" derived from NASA'sTranshabconcept. These provide large living space at lightweight. At $100 per kilo launch costs we could form large space stations from the Transhabs linked together in modular fashion, financed purely from the tourism interests. Remember the low price to orbit allows many average citizens to pay for the cost to LEO.The Transhab was developed in the late 90's so it might be questionable that the space station could be built from them by 2001. But remember in the film the space station was in the process of being built. Also, with large numbers of passengers traveling to space it seems likely that inflatable modules would have been thought of earlier to house the large number of tourists who might want a longer stay.For the extensive Moon base, judging from the Apollo missions it might be thought any flight to the Moon would be hugely expensive. However, Robert Heinlein once said: once you get to LEO you're half way to anywhere in the Solar System. This is due to the delta-V requirements for getting out of the Earth's gravitational compared to reaching escape velocity.It is important to note then SSTO's have the capability once refueled in orbit to travel to the Moon, land, and return to Earth on that one fuel load. Because of this there would be a large market for passenger service to the Moon as well. So there would be a commercial justification forBigelow's Transhab motels to also be transported to the Moon.Initially the propellant for the fuel depots would have to be lofted from Earth. But we recently found there was water in thepermanently shadowed craters on the Moon. Use of this for propellant would reduce the cost to make the flights from LEO to the Moon since the delta-V needed to bring the propellant to LEO from the lunar surface is so much less than that needed to bring it from the Earth's surface to LEO.This lunar derived propellant could also be placed in depots in lunar orbit and at the Lagrange points. This would make easier flights to the asteroids and the planets. The flights to the asteroids would be especially important for commercial purposes because it is estimated even a small sized asteroid could havetrillions of dollars worth of valuable minerals. The availability of such resources would make it financially profitable to develop large bases on the Moon for the sake of the propellant.Another possible resource was recentlydiscovered on the Moon: uranium. Though further analysis showed the surface abundance to be much less than in Earth mines, it may be that there are localized concentrations just as there are on Earth. Indeed this appears to be the case withsome heavy metals such as silver and possibly goldthat appear to be concentrated in some polar craters on the Moon.So even if the uranium is not as abundant as in Earth mines, it may be sufficient to be used for nuclear-powered spacecraft. Then we wouldn't have the problem of large amounts of nuclear material being lofted on rockets on Earth. The physics and engineering ofnuclear powered rockets have been understood since the 60's. The main impediment has been the opposition to launching large amounts of radioactive material from Earth into orbit above Earth. Then we very well could have had nuclear-powered spacecraft launching from the Moon for interplanetary missions, especially when you consider the financial incentive provided by minerals in the asteroids of the asteroid belt.Bob Clark\n\nJust saw this article onThe Space Reviewdiscussing a recently discovered copy of a 1963 TV interview with Arthur C. Clarke:The perils of spaceflight prediction.by Jeff FoustMonday, December 5, 2011http:\/\/thespacereview.com\/article\/1981\/1In the interview Clarke gives some predictions of the future of space exploration. From the standpoint of the beginnings of human spaceflight, he suggests a manned Mars mission within 25 years, which would have been by 1988, and Moon bases by the end of the 20th century.This turned out to be too optimistic. But as I argued above, this could indeed have been technically and even financially feasible: if it had been recognized that reusable SSTO's are possible and in fact aren't even really hard, we would have had routine, private spaceflight by the 1970s.Such wide spread, frequent launches using reusable spacecraft would have cut the costs to space by two orders of magnitude, at least. This would then have made the costs of lunar bases and manned Mars missions well within the affordability range.The important point is that the required high efficiency engines and lightweight stages for SSTO's already exist and have for decades. All that is required is to marry the two together. An expendable test SSTO could be produced, like, tomorrow. Just this one simple, cheap test would finally make clear the fact that routine spaceflight is already doable.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.488470528Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2010-09-01T14:18:58+0100", "id": "a166435c7e62f9aeda8afd6ec57fee02", "post_id": "post-252681", "text": "Author:markpLanding vehicles based on those found in NASA's Design Reference Mission 1.0 from the 1990s. Includes a cargo lander and crew lander. Requires Vinka's spacecraft3 module. Also needs AutipilotMFD if you want to run the new flight plans.Updates:Improved meshes, wheels mesh added to hab, 2nd hab included for Mars base, MAV capsule with chutes, lander stabilisation parachute removed, airbrake key changed from k to g, Autopilot flight plans included for computer aided landings, updated scenarios and documentation, new scenariosSee documentation for further detailsDOWNLOAD", "thread_id": 16319 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63734784Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-20T00:45:21+0100", "id": "ab3f07ebc405c74ceeb25eaa537c4eb1", "post_id": "post-220921", "text": "We could also try using the XR5 for on-orbit assembly, or a Nova SSTO...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586004992Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-14T04:23:33+0100", "id": "0442bee6308e9f7215a5722afa3b0a2b", "post_id": "post-220241", "text": "T.Neo said:Doable does not mean viable. Viable does not mean \"magically cuts costs down to the region of $100\/kg\".Just because Boeing is supposedly doing some far-out study project doesn't mean they are actively pursuing something that is viable. Or even doable.\n\nI don't agree it is far out. Boeing is well aware of the weight savings that can be accomplished using composites because of their experience with the Dreamliner 787 and the X-37B.It's not a coincidence that Boeing is the one investigating this.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.511265792Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-09-01T23:04:06+0100", "id": "6bde6ae787af529c4433431537e20cae", "post_id": "post-252750", "text": "GPU Name=AMD M880G with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200--Initializing precomputation...--Done.--Generating on gpu...Done, time=217475.8 per quad--Generating on cpu...Done, time=2816009.5 per quad", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.88091776Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-04-28T19:46:51+0100", "id": "759fb60b8612f212c2127935b32d6d16", "post_id": "post-219461", "text": "...in order words, beautifully ugly :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.644888064Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-04T05:52:05+0100", "id": "73512416103db9e4aec27d736e5d1dbe", "post_id": "post-220988", "text": "I wasn't expecting the ISS to pop out of there. :rofl:It works great, though. I have a feeling we'll have a big pile of fairings once we get to Mars...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.951365632Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-27T02:56:13+0100", "id": "a092957af46df8cb36a7ea491bc6ac97", "post_id": "post-219496", "text": "Well, to deviate from the \"Nature Photograph\" thread a but, while acknowledging the obvious overlap, I thought I'd start a thread for cool photography in general.Somebody told me film is \"the new digital\", meaning that digital used to be the newest coolest thing, but now it's common and film is the niche for people who want to do things differently.Whatever, film is my chosen method, for various reasons, especially black and white, so that is my focus, but whatever you think is cool goes here.Here is a guy who took6-month longexposures with pinhole cameras made out of soda cans!http:\/\/www.pinholephotography.org\/gallery\/slow\/index.htmlFeel free to post your own favorites. And if it's nature-related, consider posting it in the nature thread, unless the focus is on the process rather than the subject.:cheers:---------- Post added at 09:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:47 PM ----------Oh, a note on the images in that link: the exposures started at the winter solstic and stopped at the summer solstice, so the streaks in the sky are the paths of the sun each day, each path higher than the last.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.937604864Z", "author": "Mattyv", "date": "2012-08-06T21:50:40+0100", "id": "174e346f87d6e0549beaf834c67eac42", "post_id": "post-251728", "text": "I see what was done here!:lol:This is quite possibly the best pun I have ever seen.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.651854848Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-06-12T09:59:25+0100", "id": "f10351890148972316102c2dec51ac77", "post_id": "post-221047", "text": "Izack said:Ashaman what is the mass of your refinery?\n\nThe rock miner comes in a packed cargo box of 1000kg and the ore mill requires 4 packed boxes of a 1000kg each.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.006567424Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-22T15:54:40+0100", "id": "deeb9a5a1ebf98459a189e018cada3e8", "post_id": "post-251971", "text": "Universe Today:Gorgeous Glenelg \u2013 \u2018Promised Land\u2019 Panorama on Mars", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.638779904Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-20T03:32:48+0100", "id": "d349dc962739fed4c0413b0771987c49", "post_id": "post-220933", "text": "Izack said:I don't know. I don't really like it somehow. Too off-balance.I'd say the Ares V looks like the best choice. Also, Constellation needs a little glory.;)\n\nYeah Ares V it is. Can someone make the INI file so that the Nerva fits perfectly inside the Ares (if it is not already done). We can distribute the Ares ini later.Working on project guideline now", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.168610304Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-02T23:52:07+0100", "id": "2d8377e80f6774f4e7e5df74fd5b7a41", "post_id": "post-219683", "text": "From ISS Daily Report for 02\/05\/2010:Progress 37P Update:During the 37P rendezvous yesterday, after completion of the Impulse 5 burn the automated rendezvous sequence was automatically aborted by the Progress vehicle, triggered by a sensed thruster failure on both DPO manifolds at the initiation of the attitude maneuver back to line-of-sight tracking. Skvortsov & Kotov took over manual TORU mode at a range of 1000m and completed the docking at DC-1. Until TsUP-Moscow specialists have analyzed the issue, 37P will not perform ISS roll-axis attitude control. All maneuver burns will be done by SM thrusters.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.007183616Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-30T02:30:19+0000", "id": "a388b9d18fb8228b4cfb1ae3dad53bd3", "post_id": "post-251978", "text": "NASA JPL:Continuing Work With Scoops at 'Rocknest'October 29, 2012NASA's Mars Rover Curiosity on Sol 82 (Oct. 29, 2012) used its Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) to photograph the diverse rocks in the \"Rocknest\" area and prepared for an overnight analysis of a soil sample by the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instrument.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|The Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) on the arm of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity took this image of a rock called \"Et-Then\" during the mission's 82nd sol, or Martian day (Oct. 29, 2012.).Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200b|This focus-merge image from the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) on the arm of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity shows a rock called \"Burwash.\" The rock has a coating of dust on it. The coarser, visible grains are windblown sand.Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\u200bOn the preceding sol, the rover completed its third round of using vibration of scooped Martian soil to scrub the interior surfaces of the sample-processing mechanisms on the rover's arm. Also on Sol 81, the rover's Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument completed an analysis of a sample of Martian atmosphere.The rover continues regular monitoring of the surrounding environment using the other instruments of its science payload.Sol 82, in Mars local mean solar time at Gale Crater, ended at 1:35 p.m. Oct. 29, PDT (4:35 p.m., EDT).{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.495919616Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-05-23T15:13:52+0100", "id": "45ce371489021c534cdddbac90b544ca", "post_id": "post-220007", "text": "exactly how the hook is placed is something i'm not sure...i used a .lib made specifically for that, so all i did was feed it the memory address, and it did the dirty work for me...when i get to that point (still trying to figure out GDI things), i'll try using the debugger to find the addresses for the other functions as well...this is gonna turn out so cool :woohoo:", "thread_id": 14071 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.43255296Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2008-05-11T16:42:08+0100", "id": "ec261361941b62ed730d0b1fc7207e9a", "post_id": "post-65193", "text": "Is it time to invade Burma? no. Because if things go on like this, Burmese people will find a way to get rid of their governement.Or would americans have been happy if the french would have fought the whole revolution for them??", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.764256Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-25T01:26:43+0100", "id": "6d3bd3732dc2b9af88cb5f41f52f9519", "post_id": "post-251419", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Mars Orbiter Repositioned to Phone Home Mars LandingJuly 24, 2012PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Odyssey spacecraft has successfully adjusted its orbital location to be in a better position to provide prompt confirmation of the August landing of the Curiosity rover.NASA's Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft carrying Curiosity can send limited information directly to Earth as it enters Mars' atmosphere. Before the landing, Earth will set below the Martian horizon from the descending spacecraft's perspective, ending that direct route of communication. Odyssey will help to speed up the indirect communication process.NASA reported during a July 16 news conference that Odyssey, which originally was planned to provide a near-real-time communication link with Curiosity, had entered safe mode July 11. This situation would have affected communication operations, but not the rover's landing. Without a repositioning maneuver, Odyssey would have arrived over the landing area about two minutes after Curiosity landed.A spacecraft thruster burn Tuesday, July 24, lasting about six seconds has nudged Odyssey about six minutes ahead in its orbit. Odyssey is now operating normally, and confirmation of Curiosity's landing is expected to reach Earth at about 10:31 p.m. PDT on Aug. 5 (early Aug. 6, EDT and Universal Time), as originally planned.\"Information we are receiving indicates the maneuver has completed as planned,\" said Mars Odyssey Project Manager Gaylon McSmith of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. \"Odyssey has been working at Mars longer than any other spacecraft, so it is appropriate that it has a special role in supporting the newest arrival.\"Two other Mars orbiters, NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and the European Space Agency's Mars Express, also will be in position to receive radio transmissions from the Mars Science Laboratory during its descent. However, they will be recording information for later playback, not relaying it immediately, as only Odyssey can.{...}NASA News Release:RELEASE : 12-255 - NASA Mars Orbiter Repositioned to Phone Home Mars LandingSpaceRef:Mars Odyssey Moved to Relay Curiosity Landing DataCBS News Space:Orbiter nudged back into position to cover upcoming Mars landingSPACE.com:NASA Moves Old Spacecraft to Track New Mars Rover's LandingSpaceflight Now:Odyssey nudged into position to hear Curiosity's landingAviation Week:Mars Odyssey Repositioned For Better MSL Comms Relay", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.54903936Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-01T19:24:12+0100", "id": "d6d71a8bfb1e2699575dc9c12302c213", "post_id": "post-220077", "text": "Gravity losses depend on trajectory and burn time, not propellant density. This is a fallacy. Only because most rockets with high propellant density also have a short burn time (solids!), this can backfire for SSTOs. Assuming 8900 m\/s as first-order estimate for designing an SSTO is exactly the wrong direction. First of all, because the value is way off reality, it is calculated by assuming an SLBM ascent profile (no acceleration restraints, extremely high thrust), which needs only little over two minutes for reaching MECO - yes, there you have really low gravity losses.If you also want to reduce acceleration loads on the payload and limit to 3G, you will quickly approach 300 seconds burn time as practical minimum. There is no engineering law cast in silicon carbide, that says that cryogen rocket engines can't provide 3G acceleration for most of the flight.Also, you need to include aerodynamic loads on the rocket - you CAN use brute force for getting through a high max-Q, but this increases your structural mass, resulting in mass that you will have to carry with you until landing. So, unless you can afford the higher structural mass, you will want to have net acceleration down to 1.2 g or even less during the Max-Q phase, and less than 2g on lift-off, because you otherwise have max-Q at too low altitude and too high air density.There is a reason why we still have no SSTO - TANSTAAFL. On the paper, it is simple, if you can choose your first-order estimates to make things work out. But once you get into further iterations of the design, you will be forced to correct your optimistic first-order estimates, making your SSTO quickly unrealistic. And that way is standard for all SSTOs, likely because the first order estimate makes you select a design, that is optimal for your optimistic estimates, but not surviving in reality.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.570405888Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2013-11-19T19:16:32+0000", "id": "875dbaccdec2928f71422be2a444408a", "post_id": "post-220461", "text": "Man, I don't get thatirrationalCult of Musk.\n\nOk. You're not afanof Musk or of SpaceX. We're not going to agree.\n\nWow, a rational argument ! Since when do you need to be a fan of someone to agree on a technical, hence factual, topic ?? :blink:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.791034368Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-05-25T17:50:02+0100", "id": "255b8cd8455d8ffb830766d1af7a46d9", "post_id": "post-251152", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Hardware Lifting IncidentMay 24, 2011PASADENA, Calif. -- During processing of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, Fla., an incident occurred on Friday, May 20, involving the spacecraft's back shell.A crane lift of the hardware caused unexpected mechanical loads on interfaces between the back shell and its ground support equipment. These interfaces are used during ground operations in preparation for launch. A structural assessment of the back shell was performed in the area of these interfaces.Inspections and analyses through Monday, May 23, have not identified any damage. Flight processing is expected to continue this week.The back shell is used to protect the rover and descent stage during entry in Mars' upper atmosphere.Mars Science Laboratory will launch during the period from Nov. 25 to Dec. 18, 2011, taking its rover, Curiosity, to an August 2012 landing. During a two-year mission on Mars, Curiosity will investigate whether a selected area of Mars has offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life and for preserving evidence about life.The spacecraft's back shell, heat shield and cruise stage were delivered to Kennedy Space Center on May 12. The rover and descent stage will be delivered in June.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.569146112Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-02-21T15:41:45+0000", "id": "483d4a8bec19f7b693c4640e0d503aac", "post_id": "post-220107", "text": "RGClark said:One possibility for how it could be done if you had the data for the thrust of the SSME's for the shuttle over the entire trajectory to orbit, a \"thrust profile\". Then you could calculate what is the average Isp over this trajectory.\n\nAssuming Orbiter lacks the accuracy and Matlab is too much effort, I would just use a simple spreadsheet: Every 5 seconds one new line of state data. enter a pitch profile into the lines get standard atmosphere pressure for the specific impulse... should work out. Isn't the most accurate solution, but cheap and quickly done.425 seconds still means that the majority of the fuel consumption happens at vacuum specific impulse, 408 seconds should still be pretty optimistic... my first order estimate (using 10 second steps and pretty crude vector math) was at 385 seconds, assuming no throttle down and no drag force. Just pure atmosphere effect on thrust and specific impulse, interpolated between selected samples. And no really optimized trajectory. I would say 405 seconds is feasible, 425 s would be based on a lot of hope as third fuel component.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.618507008Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-09T23:09:57+0100", "id": "23d4cbd29a9d50786f5383d400ed2dc1", "post_id": "post-220772", "text": "For goals while on mars, one thing I think we should do is to locate and ascertain the conditions of the Viking landers as well as Spirit and Opportunity rovers (as well as any other spacecraft currently on mars). If we managed to locate it, we could even enshrine Viking 1 (UCGO glass dome) for posterity. Perhaps recover and return one of the rovers.Also, I recently came across a set of mars maps here:http:\/\/www.google.com\/imgres?imgurl=http:\/\/ralphaeschliman.com\/mars\/gutopo.jpg&imgrefurl=http:\/\/ralphaeschliman.com\/id22.htm&usg=__pCRQI0YUobO5G4ro9HU-wv0oNK0=&h=768&w=1024&sz=201&hl=en&start=7&sig2=YkywmKd5qxXD1eQLGkNS2w&itbs=1&tbnid=OexRHANrcQAbmM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=\/images%3Fq%3Dmars%2Bmaps%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=xSHZS-vWBJHeswPmoY1h", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.926187008Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2012-08-06T07:21:35+0100", "id": "748c4499e516815949e743583a011707", "post_id": "post-251659", "text": "Press conference started.---------- Post added at 06:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:19 AM ----------werdnaforever said:Of course, it doesn't change the fact that the Soviets made the first successful (secret) Mars landing in 1978. The landing site was at the highest point of Olympus Mons (chosen for a symbolic reason, obviously). Unfortunately, the collapse of the USSR forced the demise of the Soviet Manned Mars Exploration Program (SMMEP). They only landed on Mars 7 times between 1978 and 1989; after the last crew returned home the project was abandoned due to lack of necessary funding. A permanent base was planned- the hope was to colonize the planet before NASA knew what hit them.\n\nI really hope you're joking.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.639519744Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-20T09:50:09+0100", "id": "d270bca32d71118f35ea33927949ad8e", "post_id": "post-220940", "text": "For the MSS - The maximum long-term spin-rate for producing artificial gravity without critical Coriolis force is 6 rpm, and since I assumed in the hab design that it gets such artificial gravity during Mars-Earth transfer (only short phases of micro-gravity), this means the minimum distance from rotation axis to Hab bottom is 12.6 meters. If we use a longer radius, the differences in artificial gravity become less, and we can use even smaller rotation rates.Thus a long boom like structure would be optimal in the MSS design. If we want only 10% variance in artificial gravity between top and bottom of the hab, the length would have to be 126 meters...it scales linear.http:\/\/iaaweb.org\/iaa\/Scientific Activity\/Study Groups\/SG Commission 2\/sg22\/sg22finalreportr.pdf", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.657534208Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T21:40:32+0100", "id": "eb5a23ca80b00a0948a5ce3ec3302355", "post_id": "post-220571", "text": "Pablo49 said:I think it would be cool to have the landing sites have some sort of importance. Like a polar site to gather water, etc. Any Mars missions would be at least somewhat sustainable.\n\nA polar site would be nice, but as we already said, It's not going to happen for a while.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.929235712Z", "author": "HR_Oso", "date": "2012-08-06T08:14:43+0100", "id": "65e4a05563988844a6133e962ab7e42f", "post_id": "post-251681", "text": "Codz said:Exactly what I was thinking.\n\n\u00bfHuygens?....", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.661338368Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-04T03:54:42+0100", "id": "b832715560a07c5c33bea15b100cac0c", "post_id": "post-220614", "text": "I agree, 1 dragonfly should be adequate. I'm not a big fan of them myself, I'd prefer to have a station module set up as a \"core\" with a URMS mounted on it. It makes for a much quicker construction.But, part of the challange could muscling modules around with that dragonfly...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.080591104Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2010-07-19T06:22:41+0100", "id": "3a2ddff5a75fc4c5117dd20d7d6ca869", "post_id": "post-219525", "text": "Andy44 said:Oh they're still going strong. The basic model used by the Apollo crews is still in production, and there's a digital back for it that is even more expensive than the already-expensive camera body. Just look them up.http:\/\/www.hasselbladusa.com\/products\/v-system.aspxI think NASA uses digital SLRs because they are portable, light, and simple to use. It's not like they wouldn't spring for a Hasselblad if they thought they needed it.\n\nDoes the V System shoot film or digital (then wouldn't it be a DSLR)?", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.932194304Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-06-23T21:33:56+0100", "id": "c4a3531771337b7c6faf5b25b2ed2ac9", "post_id": "post-251163", "text": "NASA's Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) rover, known as Curiosity, arrives at the Shuttle Landing Facility at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida aboard an Air Force C-17 cargo plane. Also aboard is the rocket-powered descent stage that will fly the rover during the final moments before landing on Mars(SOURCE):{colsp=3}Click on images to view larger versions\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66866304Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-05T16:43:44+0100", "id": "ad4bdf3b1803b90b560d2020d45a25f0", "post_id": "post-220679", "text": "@ anemazosoI don't think we should go the way of centrifuges for artificial gravity. They are a maintenance technician's nightmare. Instead, we should make the stack longer, which would also reduce the need for shielding from the engine, and spin it along the lateral axis. I also like your idea of using the lander's heat shield for aerobraking. But if we use something else than a capsule it won't work. Perhaps we could bring along an inflatable heatshield?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.087300096Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-04-23T07:02:22+0100", "id": "9b897ae3f99f0100c033d3716f9420c2", "post_id": "post-219566", "text": "Some of the very best aircraft photos come from Airliners.netAnd then there's the sci-fi airshow, its not really photography, but a cool concept nonetheless.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.768148736Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-04-29T06:52:22+0100", "id": "3c95ea17c1eba4494860e91d4c57dd99", "post_id": "post-219313", "text": "TSPenguin said:If you are looking at making videos, you certainly want a camcorder. I recommend to stay away from those with internal memory, as this boosts the price by much more than what the memory is worth. Camcorders recording on SDHC cards are perfectly fine.I just bought theSamsung SMX-K40. I actively decided against the FS200, as the K40 is a little bit bigger and fits into my, small, hand. It also has a bigger lens, not ridiculously unprotected connectors, records in H.264 and has a bigger native resolution.On top of that a few more features and is easier to handle. Oh, and it comes in black too:p\n\nHad a look at both the recommended cams here, but opted for this one in the end. It's just the thing. Thanks!!:thumbup:", "thread_id": 14013 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65101696Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-11T14:19:40+0100", "id": "cde086cd3c437a9d029df09ba53df31c", "post_id": "post-221039", "text": "I'm working on one now. I have work today so I'll post it this evening, assuming no one beats me to it.It'll be rather drab, in Arial with no pictures (other than diagrams) because I want it printable.I expect 10-14 pages, give or take.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.441168128Z", "author": "Marg", "date": "2010-09-07T17:27:33+0100", "id": "c841f30bac4d90fa2b0da0e9ba31e277", "post_id": "post-252569", "text": "thanks to Martin!!!local lights - it`s huuuuge feature!P.S. Only... what is necessary to make local lights (from exhausts) work - default atlantis has this feature, but not Shuttle fleet:(At least someone has to program pad 39 lights...", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.472647936Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2010-09-01T12:26:20+0100", "id": "8f1c618b4e66c1e043ca5eaf12f6a792", "post_id": "post-252631", "text": "while you dont get drunk like most of the young tourists... I will be happy that you visit my city :thumbup: I like Costa Daurada but I prefer Costa Brava Its the most beautifull of Catalonia.", "thread_id": 16316 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.145573376Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-04-27T03:20:55+0100", "id": "a3a634fb3595fcee1e0ded18c879e55e", "post_id": "post-219644", "text": "http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/science\/nature\/8645511.stmEurope has chosen the place it wants to build the world's biggest telescope.The observatory will be constructed on Cerro Armazones, a 3,000m-high mountain in Chile's Atacama Desert. The E-ELT (European Extremely Large Telescope) will have a primary mirror 42m in diameter - about five times the width of today's best telescopes.....E-ELT - BIGGEST EYE ON THE SKYBasic design completed in 2006; detailed work now under wayMain mirror consists of 984 segments; each is 1.45m wideFinal image requires use of four further - but smaller - mirrorsLatest optics techniques correct for atmospheric distortionsConstruction could start in 2011; likely cost is one billion euros\n\nWhat gets me is how can they make up for the atmospheric distortions? Must be some pretty advanced stuff.", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.656298496Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-16T18:48:18+0100", "id": "c0a5dfec1a1df8888cd7171a57adbb0c", "post_id": "post-221091", "text": "fireballs619 said:I did a quick scan through the wiki page and couldn't find the info, so I'll ask here. What element\/material are we mining for fuel? We should locate an area with high amounts of it for a landing site. If I know what we are mining, I'll start pick candidates for landing sites.\n\nIt is TBD - we don't even know what fuels we will be using, the favorite is currently Methane\/LOX, but theoretically, if you have Methane, you can with some more complex chemistry even get to storable propellants like UDMH, Dinitrogentetroxide or MMH.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.608496128Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-09-03T21:30:52+0100", "id": "f2d8c72bef7fab0d72992af2c1adba49", "post_id": "post-252958", "text": "Actually various missions have sampled astronauts waste for analysis back on Earth.;)", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.615583744Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-08T04:28:07+0100", "id": "1af96f98141924d4f38c352cb6e680ed", "post_id": "post-220744", "text": "I would like to fly assembly flights, after thats done dock to the main ship and put my ship in the hands of the person flying the stack until we get to Mars. I will freight cargo and UMMUs to Mars and other stuff that may be needed at Mars.( I would prefer to fly a DGIV or maybe an XR2.)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.554367232Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-01T17:02:54+0000", "id": "08e30ee81af2d387e99c63e4f893bbce", "post_id": "post-220295", "text": "Hlynkacg said:There are too many questionable (borderline nonsensical) assumptions in that post to even begin parsing them all.\n\nLet's discuss them.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.035313152Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-11-15T10:51:35+0000", "id": "53c4d68bac8f7693f713276b7557a3ee", "post_id": "post-252122", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog - Emily Lakdawalla:Features at both rover field sites on Mars named for Bruce Murray:{...}For Curiosity, though, the choice was harder. The plains on which Curiosity is driving are more interesting than the trackless wastes of Meridiani's sand sea, but they're still not compelling enough to spend a long time at. Curiosity is bent on her destination of Mount Sharp. So I really like what the team chose to do to commemmorate Bruce. They didn't name anything nearby for him; they named the features that they're aiming for.There are black sand dunes in between Curiosity and the mountain, forming a nearly continuous band. But at about 6 kilometers from Curiosity's current position, the band of dunes is broken up, interrupted by a set of buttes poking up above the landscape. That's where Curiosity will turn toward the mountain, weaving her way among the buttes to cross the sand hazard to get to the enticing rocks at the foot of Mount Sharp. Getting to the Murray Buttes will mark the end of Curiosity's arduous road trip and the beginning of her journey upward through Martian time.{...}A strip of black sand dunes separates Curiosity's landing site in the flat northern floor of Gale crater from the enticing rocks of Mount Sharp. A gap in the dunes occurs in a field of buttes, which the rover team has named for Bruce Murray, a founder of The Planetary Society. Two HiRISE images taken on August 17 and 22, 2008, allow a 3D view of the landscape.NASA \/ JPL \/ UA \/ Emily Lakdawalla\u200b{...}\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.634845184Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T21:16:06+0100", "id": "b97a1ba1d8e0d407d639fd0a1d0fa2fa", "post_id": "post-220559", "text": "Please no Orulex. It looks fancy, but is a PITA for older computers like mine.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.609443328Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-02T18:21:19+0100", "id": "ecc9e74a84e684a832db6e45a8888d4e", "post_id": "post-220531", "text": "I'd love to help with an Orbiter Forum Mars Mission however I think it would be much cooler if we used semi-feasible technology such as the Ares V\/Ares I rockets and the Mars DRM 5.0 plan that NASA is working on (Cymrych is currently working on an addon of that which will use my Ares V.)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.267751168Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-02T18:00:17+0100", "id": "4114eaf506c6173155ad2adaa5475899", "post_id": "post-252412", "text": "\u0423 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0432\u0437\u043b\u0435\u0442! (We have liftoff!)Great news!:)", "thread_id": 16293 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.638290176Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-20T02:55:00+0100", "id": "a1a7a5fb1299dba8077c0339444cdf46", "post_id": "post-220929", "text": "Izack said:I'd hardly say that fits...I assume the fairing will be removed entirely? The NERVA is a good shape for the top of the rocket anyway.I'm hesitant to use Energia if it can be helped. It's an excellent launcher, but I don't think it will carry the NERVA well.\n\nBy width it fit, it still had another object below it, so it was put 'above' the module.I tried again without that module,actually the fairing isn't to short, itstoolong. Actually the fairing can be dropped down some.And Energia doesn't look all that bad...:)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63443072Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T20:57:35+0100", "id": "0c88b4de2b593158ea0bb798c5cf963a", "post_id": "post-220556", "text": "Polar would be nice, but your right, polar missions would be launched from Mars not Earth.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.318545408Z", "author": "iam_inorbit", "date": "2009-02-17T14:29:03+0000", "id": "e57adf479f0a8a3e5d1d3ed1f8478767", "post_id": "post-12911", "text": "hi, I am inorbit.I want to add orbiter tutorials to my blog. so I want permission of developers of tutorials._____________________http:\/\/www.astrofame.blogspot.com", "thread_id": 163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6706816Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T23:50:06+0100", "id": "b9204a1c77153231d65c67cf38501e0f", "post_id": "post-220697", "text": "Okay, so no one wants to call it \"Pablo is Awesome.\"This is good. :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6393536Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-20T05:08:20+0100", "id": "4e8003265dd3e5928926c53c0f766d30", "post_id": "post-220938", "text": "Izack said:I believe Artlav wrote a dll for it.Thanks for the scenario section, by the way. I think I get a few things I didn't before now.\n\nOh right, how many pages ago was that?:):coffee:dougkeenan said:Am I doing the math right - a Nerva 2 alone masses about 55mt?\n\nI dont think so,inside ini file;[CONFIG]MESHNAME=\"NERVA2\"SIZE=30EMPTY_MASS=42000FUEL_MASS=5846658466 + 42000 = 100,466 kg = 110.74 short tonsAnyway, graphical of our flight;", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.319437056Z", "author": "key", "date": "2014-12-25T20:29:21+0000", "id": "debb450aef00acd9b8d5275fa8d02486", "post_id": "post-12914", "text": "Tutorial en castellano \/ Spanish tutorialEs un peque\u00f1o tutorial b\u00e1sicoAqu\u00ed esta la lista de reproducci\u00f3n:https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?li st=PLVi50wo_4rckVaBxbCAWJs8zDb7j3TV8FVuelo de ida y vuelta a la ISS:https:\/\/www.y outube.com\/watch?v=9oZMX7KFTCk&list=PLVi50wo_4rckVaBxbCA WJs8zDb7j3TV8F&index=1Ida a la luna dese KSC con transfer:https:\/\/www.y outube.com\/watch?v=MpI57ZgWBp4&list=PLVi50wo_4rckVaBxbCA WJs8zDb7j3TV8F&index=5Vuelta desde la luna a KSC:https:\/\/www.y outube.com\/watch?v=mVD80pYlF8k&list=PLVi50wo_4rckVaBxbCA WJs8zDb7j3TV8F&index=8Gu\u00eda b\u00e1sica de XR2 Ravenstar:https:\/\/www. youtube.com\/watch?v=-3zzcPau2rQ&list=PLVi50wo_4rckVaBxbC AWJs8zDb7j3TV8F&index=11", "thread_id": 163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.819585024Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-27T08:40:36+0100", "id": "6716b16dab65dc9b52f15b00eeb210de", "post_id": "post-219382", "text": "orb said:We should stop our own expansion, stop sending probes, deorbit all satellites, hide ourselves in vaults (the best on Earth, Moon, Mars, and maybe some other bodies, so we have some extra space for future), so aliens won't notice and find us, and enslave us, when they look at Earth either passively or actively while trespassing through our system, after they caught our earlier radio transmissions, before we stopped all high-frequency radio communication.:rofl:\n\n... and shroud our Earth in an all-spectrum impenetrable shell, preventing thise darn Oxygen and Cholrofyll from giving away the fact that our planet is harbouring a Carbon life!", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.485490944Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-30T03:41:51+0100", "id": "2756d263c74ee4b5ebabc8a1320bf549", "post_id": "post-219973", "text": "what's that ?is it different?", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.934026752Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-08-06T11:17:56+0100", "id": "e675f5f3857e8ee80b548a1a76e74d2d", "post_id": "post-251698", "text": "There's no Olympic category for Mars landings, but I believe NASA\/JPL just set the record...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433452032Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2008-05-12T02:06:44+0100", "id": "cee9ee0a200e17749a4fa5c81f7b7c9f", "post_id": "post-65204", "text": "Any invasion, if it happened, would likely be more a UN action than a unilateral US action. It would probably be a bad idea, but then again, some of these things only become clear in hindsight, whether they are good ideas or bad...", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.552862976Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-11-13T15:29:33+0000", "id": "1190d0ee867c7c56d0e8519bbe0fb960", "post_id": "post-220279", "text": "Urwumpe said:This one goes into the tank department, which is fairly simple, but good enough to show that the tank structural mass isn't that large.https:\/\/www.princeton.edu\/~stengel\/MAE342Lecture4.pdf\n\nActually, it doesn't say what the tank mass is for a given propellant load. But it does show on p.9 that you can increase your structural strength by having a pressurized tank, as proven by the early versions of the Atlas rocket that used \"balloon tanks\".Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.982260992Z", "author": "fsci123", "date": "2012-08-09T15:03:49+0100", "id": "33cbbddad9536dc10a5b3048592d94b9", "post_id": "post-251793", "text": "Just out of curiosity...Do these hi res cameras take video?:shrug:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.90275328Z", "author": "Richy", "date": "2010-04-29T15:12:20+0100", "id": "632b5bf1a8e21c6c0b2122d12ec7164b", "post_id": "post-219477", "text": "That's right, additionally, both engines have to point some degrees outwards, so the exhaust jet doesn't hit the cargo linked behind.edit: too late... ^^May the pulling cable is designed relatively long, so the angle of the engine exhaust gives a remarkable distance between cargo and jet. And as we know, radiation decreases in square of distance.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.621268992Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-10T14:16:03+0100", "id": "ba055c0b4c671a0f5f8d87a0c3db3552", "post_id": "post-220792", "text": "Well, my personal favorite for a first mars landing would look like that:The Hab and command module of the Earth-Mars spacecraft gets landed on Mars by use of a special Skycrane vehicle, which is just powerful enough for landing heavy loads on Mars and fly back to Mars orbit with light payloads. The hab\/Command module contains no abort option of its own, instead it is meant to land close to a ERV. During reentry it should be protected by a inflatable heatshield, that is large enough to also protect the skycrane during reentry.If no abort of the mission is needed, the next crew lands on Mars with the next rigid module. This way, the core modules of the mars base are rigid, and the inflatable modules can be used for storage or green houses.The connection to the earth-Mars spacecraft is at the top of the Hab\/Command module and design as such, that during transfer, the spacecraft could spin in yaw direction for providing artificial gravity. When the spacecraft reaches Mars, the hab command modules is detached and the skycrane maneuvers itself for docking with the HC automatically. The rest of the spacecraft remains in (medium) Mars orbit, acting as communication relay and is used again for return from Mars, but this time docking the ERV at its end.Since the Skycrane is separate, the Earth-Mars ship could also contain cargo modules at it, that are delivered to the ground. For the first mission, the Skycrane would get refueled in Orbit, with fuel transported to Mars, so the payload would be reduced, but later missions could refuel on the surface of Mars, if in-situ fuel production is possible.This concept doesn't contain any special assumptions on the technology, it should work with reduced performance with realistic technology as well as being still an economic option with \"DG-Tech\" fictional technology.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.00768Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2012-11-02T07:44:47+0000", "id": "6775fecc459b91521ca16f96b796479f", "post_id": "post-251984", "text": "conspiracy!! there is someone on mars and they dont want to tell us!! :lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.504673536Z", "author": "Evil_Onyx", "date": "2010-04-30T17:11:40+0100", "id": "98810a4c552f4d5f80908c911aed2df4", "post_id": "post-220025", "text": "Useful tool, but who would dig a fox hole then use the same tool to open their food with....Pilot7893This should have replaced the Shovel in the Soldier update.Most people won't get what I'm talking about.\n\nyes i do get it and yes is should have.", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817138176Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-04-26T18:30:07+0100", "id": "d72096b7449c75103cc3add2c7add5d4", "post_id": "post-219358", "text": "Enjo said:Nope. Some species could evolve into peace loving observers with a temper of a sheep, and other into something more brutal like humans. All the species on Earth are in the best shape that the evolution could give them in their environments until now ... as far as I understand evolution. It's not a linear progress towards divinity.\n\nHumans are not entirely brutal. Humans are actually a good example of what happens to animals which become intelligent and self-aware. Our social progresses have caused a lot of primitive instincts to almost disappear. We can take decisions rationally and consciously rather than just driven by a feeling of hunger and what genes tell us to do. We decide to have sex consciously because we want to enjoy it, not just to beget children and do self-preservation, but even consciously try to be without children (which is in some regions a problem).Scientific (and its technological) progress actually goes not along with brutality. Brutality is what is caused politically. We don't go into space to be brutal. We go into space because we are curious and because we want to explore places we have never seen before. I expect the same for other intelligent species because we live in the same universe and certainly consist of the same elements under almost equal laws. And if those species are able to travel light years of distances, I think it is for sure that they have reached a state of intelligence and rationalism that is ahead of ours.But the fact that it took quite a while until there was the proper conditions for intelligent life on our earth, and this compared with the age of the universe, drastically shrinks the chances that there are other comparable forms of life anyway I think. The window for such conditions seems to be more than damn small and anything but common in space. I think of course it is possible because we are an example, but this seems to be anything but common.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.014442496Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2013-01-08T06:29:06+0000", "id": "9acb8b653d088e2d0d543e6c1bd33b34", "post_id": "post-252059", "text": "RisingFury said:700+ meters in a few months. Pretty impressive. For a reference Opportunity has managed to drive a total of 35 km over her years on the Red Planet. I wonder what the total will be for Curiosity. Her larger size and nuclear power give her the potential to cover very long distances...\n\nYes, she is really in good shape.And then they claimed to \"go slow\".I only can imagine what her potential really is if they decided to put the pedal to the metal.:)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.573796352Z", "author": "orbitingpluto", "date": "2014-11-16T11:46:04+0000", "id": "a73e95ee7bde79fd1dad74888170f8bb", "post_id": "post-220495", "text": "Loru said:Pure dV derived from rocket equation is not enough. You have to acount for gravity losses, which are determined mostly by thrust\/weight ratio in initial phases of flight.Silverbird rocket calculatorsays that Titan 1st stage with single LR-87-5 can't achieve orbit on it's own. Adding second engine to the stage gives me astonishing payload of 28kg! And that's for straight eastward launch on equator.\n\nMy thrust values are about one-half of the actual, thanks to some Wikipedian who thoughtfully decided to list the specs of the LR-87-5 as if there was only one combustion chamber. I did go ahead and post it without sanity checking it first, so I'm glad you caught my error.Anyway, I do know the Titan 2 first stage is marginal on usefulness as a SSTO(in my opinion at the very least), and the idea of making it a space plane doesn't make sense to me- but it did seem a passable reason to hand out resources so someone so they can use the rocket equation to explore how rocketry works. My estimate of ~9000 m\/s does include margin for gravity losses and drag, but I do realize I was making things a bit too simple. :shrug:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.549856Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-02T16:29:52+0100", "id": "e28eb9c330cb577e5fdde6dc2534467d", "post_id": "post-220087", "text": "If you were using the ET as a conventional rocket body like that, wouldn't you swap the locations of the LH2 and LOX tanks?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.6332288Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-09-05T18:07:57+0100", "id": "dac4e8a3913e6543f8ad8e3d02f78e72", "post_id": "post-253022", "text": "orbitingpluto said:I looked at all of them myself. They stink. Almost makes me want to make my own Buran.:dry:\n\nMaybe you *should* make your own Buran before you criticize in this manner.", "thread_id": 16342 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817926912Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2010-04-26T19:55:55+0100", "id": "ac14eb9e07f25a84ae1a1bbef1a6f390", "post_id": "post-219367", "text": "T.Neo said:I'm not saying that all societies lead toward divinity, just that they would become less opressive.\n\nHistory shows that societies tend to become less oppressive in a few ways and more oppressive in a few more, all the while patting themselves on the back for getting rid of the old evils, and often for bringing in the new ones as well.T.Neo said:Again, it makes very little sense to get resources from an earthlike planet.\n\nFor any civilization likely to be able to get here, yes.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.631952128Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-18T21:07:55+0100", "id": "4c3b18601d3849037cc4e5cbaf1a0221", "post_id": "post-220892", "text": "Welcome to the project DanScall:)Don't forget to check out the social group (check Izack's sig line) for further details.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.834239488Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-13T22:53:09+0100", "id": "61360cd1cfad877f07d672b5f39896d1", "post_id": "post-219447", "text": "Single seat Delta Gliders...", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.648952576Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-09T03:08:02+0100", "id": "1d7cbeb232cc939909958b27d1601975", "post_id": "post-221020", "text": "To put it shortly, realism. DGIVs and XR2s rely on too much fairy dust.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.7667584Z", "author": "Spacethingy", "date": "2012-07-31T21:54:13+0100", "id": "d948be2202b7c1ac6913a8c2651a62a4", "post_id": "post-251437", "text": "What happens to the probe after dropping the rover? Just a random smash, or something more scientific?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.920694016Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-08-06T06:43:20+0100", "id": "1a844f4f54541ca2d5cda3a77170ea14", "post_id": "post-251627", "text": "If this was a manned mission, it would be over next week.\n\nNo. A 1-week manned mission would be a nonsense.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.659674368Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-03T15:47:51+0100", "id": "aac3b6ab39d60c00b76395ccb357af38", "post_id": "post-220597", "text": "Just kind of thinking out loud here... Well typing out loud er, silently...What about a James Cook mission to establish a base using the HLV modules to establish an initial base. The Cook can then return to Earth and an Arrow can return to Mars with the crew, and subsequent base modules for expansion. A crew return module (Mars-For-Less perhaps) could be available to return a crew to the Arrow if need be.Be also the GDI mining rig needs to be deployed. There is a refinery in the works, if someone made a smelter\/foundery\/forge etc, the base may be somewhat sustainable.An \"outpost\" in the polar region (with a miner for ice) could be established soon after the initial landing.I'd be willing to work on a blimp (think KSR's Red Mars) that could be used for recon\/survey work.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65859584Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2010-05-02T23:08:25+0100", "id": "1943ad55d288ce7d5d20025a34768e04", "post_id": "post-220584", "text": "supersonic said:Good idea, but first I think we need to think about getting there.:)\n\nAs flytandem has shown, you can get there, departing today (far from a Hoffman transfer) in a DG with 20% fuel. The question is... once you get there, what will you do?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.930557696Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-06T09:02:24+0100", "id": "30ec100d73680a93023e6c7c2a64bb1f", "post_id": "post-251690", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.518274048Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-05-01T08:53:21+0100", "id": "4112721ec341a10e2a191af9684b1085", "post_id": "post-220046", "text": "Notebook said:The c5 , British Motor Industry reached its peak when that hit the road.\n\nYes, taking a look at the spectrum of electric vehicles around at the time, it was a quantum leap. :lol:", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.833956608Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-04-29T19:29:03+0100", "id": "423c8175856ada866bc4be5127345d18", "post_id": "post-219444", "text": "I made a delta glider warp engine cargo for Rwarp MFD, but it needs to be textured. anybody want to take a crack at it? haven't bothered to figure out texturing in anim8or yet... right now it looks so-so with plain colored materials, the model is good, i think. I made it like a \"let's see what ya got under the hood\" kind of warp engine.", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.07024512Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-08-29T02:11:13+0100", "id": "00f9d38aea0279c26036d36b5f277d1e", "post_id": "post-252219", "text": "Since we managed to have picture threads about astronomy, 'COOL' photography, and Orbiter screenies, why not have a random one? In general, post pictures of random stuff that you have taken or that you are in the process of doing something. Here are some of mine at Tulsa and Dallas.", "thread_id": 16266 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55974272Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-11T18:36:36+0000", "id": "b785942dd7551e7dce5d65da1ee3bb74", "post_id": "post-220361", "text": "RGClark said:if you assume that...\n\nThese four words are really disqualifying you every day. We have enough assumptions already. Where is the evidence? How much specific impulse can \"altitude compensation\" give you, if you are comparing different technical approaches for altitude compensation? Yes, that means you really have to look at the details and deal with mathematics beyond the rocket equation. Yes, that means you have to calculate more than a single number for every alternative.I can assume just as well that your rocket designs will just explode when a bag of rice topples in China. It is stupid, absolutely. Ignorant, you name it. But you treat us just the same here every day without noticing it. If you assume that pigs can fly and cows jump over the moon, why do you need rockets at all?You do bad engineering. The Michael Griffin Medal for the best of the 69% engineering projects that failed can maybe be your goal, but not mine. Your circular self-references are not just annoying for the reader, it also seems to give you a wrong kind of security about your claims. Hey, didn't I already claim so one year ago? Yes, you did. And you did it already by assuming more than you did know.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558093824Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-06T19:53:57+0000", "id": "541fccece9d7773eaa7d770b9aea1c82", "post_id": "post-220342", "text": "Hlynkacg said:Ok, here are a few that jumped out at me.This is a baseless and most likely incorrect assumption. Even if your aerospike made out of wonder-materials performs as advertised you do not appear to have accounted for the structural modifications that would need to be made to the stage itself to accomidate the spike and repositioned engines.I'll repeat what Urwumpe said...*Which modern materials?*Is it really only because of the materials or are different structural solutions also required?*How probable?*Where are you getting \"half\"?You do realize that altitude compensation does not increase ISP correct? It simply cuts your ambient pressure losses. Have you actually plotted out your thrust curve from sea-level up through MAX-Q and back?Speaking as an engineering student, I stopped and laughed at this point. :lol: The modifications you propose would require signifigant structural changes and re-working of the engine's auxillary components. (Fuel-pumps, cooling, etc...) Depending on how much re-design is actually required it might actually be easier to start from scratch.Mass has very little to do with cost. The chief driver of $ per Kilogram is the number of man-hours required per launch. (and in the case of a re-usable booster recovery\/refurbishment as well)\n\n1.)Lightweight aerospikes.Ceramic Materials for Reusable Liquid Fueled Rocket Engine Combustion Devices.Part of the Integrated High PayoffRocket Propulsion Technology (IHPRPT) program, the effortsof the directorate include:1.Developing continuous fiber reinforced ceramic matrixcomposites (CMCs) for actively cooled thrust chambers andnozzles2.Demonstrating the feasibility of a transpiration-cooled thrustchamber3. Evaluating ceramic matrix composites for radiation coolednozzles.The goal is to develop and demonstrate these new technologiesso that they may be incorporated into future rocketengines.Using lightweight ceramics has the potential to reducethe weight of the combustion devices by up to 50%....Table 1 lists the materials and type of construction ofnumerous combustion devices, both historical and current. Asthe table shows, the materials of choice (for all the engine manufacturers)for combustion devices in large liquid fueled rocketengines have historically been stainless steels, nickel-basedsuperalloys, and copper alloys. These materials are selected fortheir high strength and high thermal conductivity in orderto cope with the stresses and extreme thermal environmentsof rocket engines. Since these alloys also have high densities(8-9 g\/cm3), widespread reliance on them has traditionallyresulted in heavy engines.Designers would like to reduce the weight of rocketengines. A key performance criterion for engines is thrust-to-weightratio. Lighter engines and launch vehicles would allowheavier payloads to be placed into orbit at a lower cost. Onepath to lighter weight engines is replacement of conventionalhigh-density engine alloys with lightweight, high specificstrength ceramic composites. Two attractive candidates forthis application are carbon fiber reinforced silicon carbide(C\/SiC) and silicon carbide fiber reinforced silicon carbide(SiC\/SiC). These materials have low densities (2.0-2.4 g\/cm3)and high strengths that they maintain to relatively high temperatures(2400-3000\u00b0F).\n\nhttp:\/\/ammtiac.alionscience.com\/pdf\/AMPQ8_1ART06.pdfReportedly such lightweight, high temperature ceramics have already been used on hypersonic, scramjet test vehicles. Keep in mind also that for this application while you are adding on the weight of the aerospike you are also removing much of the weight of the nozzles.For the size of the engines fitting within the Falcon 9 diameter around a central spike, remember most of the nozzles will be removed. As it is now, 8 engines are in a square pattern with the ninth engine in the center. So there are 4 corner engines with 1 engine between any pair of these corner engines. Then these engines between the corner engines can be moved outside instead to the circumscribed circle around the square. Taking into account the extra space without much of the nozzle width the ninth engines should fit in this space as well.Furthermore, I realized that you don't need all 9 engines now. With the upper stage removed and with the smaller payload, and with the higher thrust and lighter weight of the Merlin 1D, you would need only 5 to 6 of the engines for liftoff. This makes the dry mass even lighter, which can go to further payload.The engines combustion chamber and turbopumps will not have to be changed, only the nozzle. From images of the Merlin 1C it looks like the nozzle is bolted on. So you would bolt on a shorter nozzle, like you bolt on a longer addition when you producing the Merlin Vacuum.2.)Weight of added reentry\/landing systems.a.)Thermal protection.Robert Zubrin has given an estimate of 15% of the landed weight for the weight of thermal protection systems(TPS):Reusable launch system.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Reusable_launch_system#Reentry_heat_shieldsHowever, I gather this was in relation to the older capsules, Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, etc. Indeed the weight of the ablative heat shield on the Apollo capsule was about 15%:Apollo Command\/Service Module.2.7 Specificationshttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Apollo_Command\/Service_Module#SpecificationsHowever, the space shuttle with its mostly silica tiles was able to reduce the TPS weight to about 8% of the maximum landing weight of 104,000 kg:Space Shuttle thermal protection system.3.3 Weight considerations.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Space_shuttle_thermal_protection_system#Weight_considerationsAlso, for the X-37b the TUFROC leading edge material instead of the shuttles RCC and the TUFI AETB material instead of the shuttles silica tiles are either of equal or lower weight than the shuttles TPS materials while being tougher and requiring less maintenance:X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle.http:\/\/www.boeing.com\/defense-space\/ic\/sis\/x37b_otv\/x37b_otv.htmlFor ablative TPS, the PICA-X material used on the Dragon capsule weights about half the weight of the AVCOAT material used on the Apollo heat shield:Re: Dragon v\/s Orion.http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/index.php?topic=23522.msg754168#msg754168while being able to survive lunar and even Martian reentry speeds.SpaceX has found that at least for LEO reentry speed judging from the minimal degradation on the Falcon 9\/Dragon test flight, the PICA-X heat shield could be reused hundreds of times.Also, for vertical powered landings a la the DC-X, you might not even need an extra heat shield for base first landings. One proposal for a VTVL SSTO uses low thrust during the descent as well as the high temperature-resistant aerospike to serve as the reentry thermal protection. You would need to retain more mass in propellant or some inert gas for this purpose though.b.)Weight of the wings and the landing gear.A common estimate is that the weight of wings is 10% of the landed weight. This comes from aircraft examples though where the wings have to carry the weight of the fuel which can be as much as the dry weight of the aircraft itself or more.An example where the propellant will not be carried in the wings and lightweight composites will be used is the Skylon. According to their released specifications the wing weight will be less than 2% of the take-off weight, which is the appropriate weight to compare to for a horizontal take-off vehicle:The SKYLON Spaceplane.by Richard Varvill and Alan BondJournal of the British Interplanetary Society, Vol. 57. pp. 22\u201332, 2004p. 32.http:\/\/www.reactionengines.co.uk\/downloads\/JBIS_v57_22-32.pdfOn that same page the landing gear weight is the only 1.5% of the take-off weight.For a vertical take-off vehicle these low weight proportions should apply to the dry weight.3.)Increasing Isp with altitude compensation.The most important characteristic for having a high vacuum Isp for an engine is having a long nozzle, i.e., area ratio, much more so than the chamber pressure. For instance the RL-10B2 while having a combustion chamber pressure of only 40 bar, has a vacuum Isp ca. 465 s. This comes from its very long vacuum optimized nozzle. And the Merlin Vacuum increases its vacuum Isp to 342 s from the 304 s of the Merlin 1C just by having a long nozzle extension attached.The problem with this for a SSTO is that long nozzles give poor performance at sea level. In fact it's even worse then this. A vacuum optimized nozzle used at sea level can cause instabilities in the exhaust that can damage or destroy the engine. So the purpose of the altitude compensating nozzle is they can give this high performance of vacuum optimized nozzles, yet still work efficiently as well at sea level.4.)Saving weight and increasing payload with a next-gen shuttle.My comment about the shuttle orbiter being too heavy for high payload delivery was only in regards to the fact that every extra pound you take to LEO has to be subtracted from your payload capacity. The shuttle orbiter at ca. 80,000 kg subtracts majorly from the payload capacity of such a large launcher. With the lightweight composites now available we can cut significantly into that orbiter dry mass and therefore increase our payload.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.656657664Z", "author": "IgnoreThisBarrel", "date": "2010-09-03T18:15:00+0100", "id": "8718108cbecd4ee768e75a5939945639", "post_id": "post-253102", "text": "NO!!! I was wrong in the \"You know you're addicted to Orbiter\" thread:p", "thread_id": 16347 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.575585792Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-03-05T11:50:28+0000", "id": "0e0532d1e90bab7687e61c06cae71978", "post_id": "post-220123", "text": "I am skeptical of a multi-stage reusable vehicle. I think that what you make up for in not needing absurd, paper-thin lightweight construction and high performance propulsion you lose in terms of logistics and complexity.A flyback system already adds a lot of complexity and mass, I would dread to think about attempting to recover a second stage.I have no idea how the Kistler upper stage was supposed to be reused, but my limited knowledge makes it seem that an upper stage isn't exactly an optimal shape for reentry...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.616676608Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-08T15:36:26+0100", "id": "46a78227daa4fdd5d7eff85b4c472603", "post_id": "post-220754", "text": "Urwumpe said:Who finds humor in my post, may keep it.;)\n\nFunny guy :lol:Reminds me of a project with, I think Oracle where I volunteered to lead the group project. You would have thought I learned from that but...Anyway my teammates would write code poorly, inefficiently, or not at all. Ended up re-writing\/redoing almost everything. At leastIrecieved an A...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.758879744Z", "author": "Yoda", "date": "2012-06-11T20:17:58+0100", "id": "4f9ee5f402837902554e8ebfce231c44", "post_id": "post-251379", "text": "I said it 6 months ago and I'll say it again now; I'd be surprised if they can actually pull this kind of landing of; too many variables that can go wrong.I think they bit of more then they can chew using this kind of \"hover\" landing approach.But then again, who knows; it might actually work.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.636606208Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-19T23:06:04+0100", "id": "b6add326fed0ea742b55d75cbaa56105", "post_id": "post-220915", "text": "Also, the landing sites of the landers had been chosen for having flat terrain in the whole huge landing ellipse. And this was a few hundred kilometers large for Viking.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.646201088Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-08T17:25:08+0100", "id": "411654b7a8ca3039ec1b525f902446ab", "post_id": "post-220998", "text": "I would say, we do it in 2010. We have no add-ons yet, that require a painful update to 2010", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.866252544Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:20:28+0100", "id": "7b3b7896a73ba7905202c2f5bdf377ca", "post_id": "post-251555", "text": "4 min to entry", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.641915904Z", "author": "Mojave", "date": "2010-05-22T13:59:43+0100", "id": "dab83c27de1f1aa72e146fc80c431f0d", "post_id": "post-220958", "text": "That should be interesting Voyager. Good Luck.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.655164928Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-06-14T02:15:31+0100", "id": "8f0b6a9184629a90b0a628b331a237c2", "post_id": "post-221080", "text": "I went ahead and made the forum through the social group as it was easier to handle the permissions that way. It looks like all the discussions converted to threads successfully.You can see the new OFMM forum on the home page under Orbiter Web Forum or from the OFMM social group as well.http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/forumdisplay.php?f=96", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.99663744Z", "author": "Turbinator", "date": "2011-09-01T22:25:13+0100", "id": "0a7d98ab2c8abaec63c0fa45ea6b86ae", "post_id": "post-251180", "text": "orb said:They don't want to contaminate Mars with alien (Earth) life forms (yet).;)\n\nIf I was one of the scientists at NASA, I would sneeze all over the rover, every day.The only way NASA is going to get serious founding, and the scientists their job security; is if they find a form of life out there.Real, living, lifeforms.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.650000384Z", "author": "Alexw95", "date": "2010-06-11T02:47:02+0100", "id": "9bc80439eccc0a64606078eca9dfa66c", "post_id": "post-221030", "text": "We could use the alitar mesh and costomize it to make it reuasble so we can transfer crew from the orbital station to the ground with pre enetry matnence in orbit", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.080436992Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-19T04:52:36+0100", "id": "f3403cd73ab23e198c17e1012d6c3333", "post_id": "post-219524", "text": "Unstung said:What happened to Hasselblad anyways? Their cameras are very expensive, I know.According to their website, the last time they mentioned their cameras being used by NASA was in 2001.\n\nOh they're still going strong. The basic model used by the Apollo crews is still in production, and there's a digital back for it that is even more expensive than the already-expensive camera body. Just look them up.http:\/\/www.hasselbladusa.com\/products\/v-system.aspxI think NASA uses digital SLRs because they are portable, light, and simple to use. It's not like they wouldn't spring for a Hasselblad if they thought they needed it.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.03605632Z", "author": "Proximus", "date": "2013-11-24T17:25:24+0000", "id": "93d32006d80a356c5ba3e4f205004b52", "post_id": "post-252129", "text": "I thought there would be multiple isolated bus's running varying voltages (32V for motor drives, 5V for CPU's etc...) rather than all power coming directly from the RTG!Pulling your main power supply as low as 4V I'm surprised communications are even possible never mind \"not being in safe mode\" .", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.657312768Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-02T21:35:15+0100", "id": "665b6b167f834e0098b053e258dcc216", "post_id": "post-220569", "text": "I think it would be cool to have the landing sites have some sort of importance. Like a polar site to gather water, etc. Any Mars missions would be at least somewhat sustainable.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.495785728Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-05-03T12:14:21+0100", "id": "74c1ec0a84d1a1c84f2f438bc3fd4dae", "post_id": "post-220006", "text": "Moach said:what about overriding the prompts for vessel, base and celBody selection?i\u00b4ve managed to bypass those functions as well, using CJP's findings... but i can't figure out what sort of values should be entered for the callback...and CJP never did gave us the address for the base selection popup function... so this one has yet to be found...now, my knowledge of assembly language is prettly slim... so any help would be quite a hoot...\n\nI've included a document in the Free Orbit MFD sources that explains some things about how I found these addresses. Did you read it? Following the same lines of reasoning, you can probably repeat the trick to find the address of the base selection pop-up.I'm not a real assembly expert either: I'm just learning it by doing. Luckily, Visual Studio has a real nice debugger that shows which register values and memory addresses have been modified by an instruction, so you can really see step by step what it's doing.Some knowledge of how C++ is translated to assembly language is already present in the document in the Free Orbit MFD sources. You can also experiment with this by compiling your own C++ code and see what it looks like in assembly.How did you place the hook in the orbiter.exe memory? Is it a JMP instruction, or maybe a CALL followed by a RET?", "thread_id": 14071 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.43906688Z", "author": "Woo482", "date": "2010-09-02T21:02:28+0100", "id": "eb82fa599588622548e15f22fe8b91c1", "post_id": "post-252553", "text": "The new XR vessels come with lights so you don't need to add them:pand I'm pretty sure you could just use Lua to add a light source to the DGIV, last time I looked it was documented pretty well and should be relatively easy", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.667266304Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T05:17:22+0100", "id": "4679dd2e97687d4347e236ba507d34ee", "post_id": "post-220667", "text": "Orbiter forum _ _ _ ? Is Orbiter Forum Mission to Mars:)(look at thread title:))", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.414312192Z", "author": "zionn", "date": "2010-04-28T16:08:33+0100", "id": "a9f39870483cdf1c8877e5b19c7ee3d1", "post_id": "post-219807", "text": "i downloaded the NASSP add-on and if i want to play with it, i cant find the scenario'shelp", "thread_id": 14047 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.552160768Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2011-01-06T22:04:48+0000", "id": "6ef6a59943d265a78a16a8c0e93514d2", "post_id": "post-252904", "text": "Thanks to hribek's excellent example of the IMFD's Delta Velocity and Map programs, i was able to complete this challenge using only 298.47kg of fuel.The whole flight was done in a single burn (1061 m\/s), no corrections were needed.First, i used TransX, to find a cheap plan to the moon with a PeD of about 6.500M back at Earth. Then, i reproduced that plan on IMFD, so that i could see more accurately, my trajectory at Earth Periapsis.I'm attaching the playback here, which also has the IMFD plans.Fuel used in the actual flight: 298.47 kgFuel shown on the playback : 302.30 kgHave fun, happy orbiting:cheers:CLARIFICATION: This flight was made with the \"Gravity-gradient torgue\" and \"Non spherical gravity sources\" checked, in the Orbiter launchpad.", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.755771136Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-04-26T15:44:13+0100", "id": "7e81054d5236bb59945e9bd558b86d13", "post_id": "post-219310", "text": "Many thanks for those recommendations. I knew I could count on you for some guidance for singling out the better ones within the budget constraints.:tiphat:", "thread_id": 14013 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.563446272Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2012-07-21T06:45:12+0100", "id": "a3ceb60aff40b38689baa75f6e9402cb", "post_id": "post-220410", "text": "No, his.The vehicle being test or production really has no bearing on the underlying feasability of mating engine A to stage B and as you pointed out the Grasshopper is not even an example of the type of vehicle he's advocating.Frankly I'm starting to wonder if RGclark is not some sort of sophisticated spam\/troll-bot.The self-referentialism and odd shifts kind of remind me of a turing-test control program.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.612154624Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-12T07:37:45+0100", "id": "f6762078d4e0a2d142dab0a6c770872b", "post_id": "post-252984", "text": "That's cool, when reading the paper about Discowery II my first thought was it would be awesome to have it in Orbiter.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.448719872Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-04-30T21:16:07+0100", "id": "7195a93c99bf1a440fd6cf99f6d98cda", "post_id": "post-219879", "text": "You have to take that ancient history with a big reserve. I don't believe that one shuttle was able to do all that.:p", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.636313856Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-19T22:28:25+0100", "id": "4a94344433c6ab3067a52ed3777b49a8", "post_id": "post-220912", "text": "Would be pretty hard to build a good base where the probes are...boring places.http:\/\/www.google.com\/mars\/#lat=-19.145168&lon=-110.742187&q=spacecraft", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.643104768Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-26T02:12:20+0100", "id": "085101f630e2935fbb131930e99cb787", "post_id": "post-220968", "text": "Izack said:If someone wants to build it, then sure. It doesn't really add anything to be done en route, since it seems automatic. It will generate data to go over at the end of the flight, though, which could be interesting, depending on what actually gets done with that data (which isn't really my forte, so I'll stay out of it.)\n\nI guess there wouldn't be anything useful from the actual data. If the hab module was covered first in radiation tiles then with heat tiles (reentrys) then there wouldn't be any point in 'evacuating' to another module for safety reasons.Which brings me to point 1;The hab module (for effective use of resources) will both be a hab module in space, and on Mars. So it will have to be able to carry itself to Mars surface surviving reentry. ( Like Urwumpe's post a while back, Apollo style, though with heat shield and\/or para-shoot of some sort) will also have to come back to Earth for another reentry. Because of Earths higher gravity, a powered descent stage is unlikely, so a splashdown is best.Which brings me to the point, the hab module is going to make a powered landing on Mars, and reenter to Earth. Unlikly that it will be able to carry the food for astronautics for the duration of the stay and be able to land safely after reentry on Earth with so much cargo weight ( of whatever rock we bring back) so I think separate reentry are needed. Perhaps use our own HCV (modify requirements of vessel)?That also brings me to point 2;Food. -Or are we going that far in details?Trying to find some stats on average consumption (in weight) I found about 400 kg\/person\/year. So rounding up that puts us at 5,000 kg for 5 people. So this is interesting, if we have the area for all this food, might it be better for disposable modules, or should it be built into the station?Also, O2. IIRC Dans UMMU can have the O2 consumption integrated with the ship, so at least it will provide us some more realism. Also would this be a drop tank thing as well? No use packing around useless weight...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.579001856Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-03T11:29:07+0100", "id": "12a44a2b7c05308af19b01a70211cdd5", "post_id": "post-220161", "text": "T.Neo said:Perhaps because nobody cares?Your claim is that SSTO is important because it can magically slash launch costs to roughly $100\/kg. Claims like these made byanyoneare dubious, and you haven't really put forth much of a justification for this claim either.\n\nI don't believe that.The calculation is on the high school level. And it is an interesting topic. The readers on this forum are very scientifically interested people.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.66476544Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-03T21:12:55+0100", "id": "65887249fa9918b69387f364a99766f2", "post_id": "post-253110", "text": "Aviation Week: \"Off To Asteroids\".---------- Post added at 09:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:48 PM ----------A related press release:Target NEO.APL team shapes robotic 'precursor' mission for human exploration of an asteroid.Hopkins Lab taps creativity of NASA\/APL interns as well as experts in robotic and human spaceflight.Ten years ago, NASA's Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous mission (NEAR) made history as the first spacecraft to orbit and land on an asteroid. Now the team behind that successful mission proposes a sequel that could pave the way for astronauts to explore an asteroid for the first time.Engineers and scientists from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Laurel, Md., have teamed up with NASA's Goddard and Johnson Space Flight centers to devise \"Next Gen NEAR,\" a concept of a robotic precursor for a human visit to a near-Earth asteroid.In April, President Barack Obama announced a new direction for the nation's space program, including plans for NASA to send the first human mission to an asteroid by 2025. This requires building a capability to live and work in deep space, beyond the Earth-Moon system. Beyond our Moon, asteroids near Earth (called near-Earth objects, or \"NEOs\") are our closest and most accessible planetary neighbors, making them a practical stepping-stone for expanded human space exploration.Only two missions \u2013 NEAR, and Japan's Hayabusa \u2013 have ever visited and touched the surface of a NEO, and scientists say we need more insight into these objects before we can safely send humans.\"We've learned a lot about NEOs using telescopes, Earth-based radar and two robotic missions, but we'd have to get up close and personal with a specific asteroid again, and learn much more about its environment, before we could send human explorers,\" says Dr. James Garvin, chief scientist at Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. \"But there is nothing intuitive about operating at an asteroid; in fact, sending humans to an asteroid would be one of the most challenging space missions ever. So to make sure we really understand that challenge, we've paired NASA experts in small-body robotic and human spaceflight with the only team in the U.S. to design, build and operate an asteroid-orbiter mission.\"Planners say the mission could launch as soon as 2014 and begin to return data from a target asteroid the following year. The mission's goal is to collect data on the asteroid\u2019s surface and interior, and to scope out potential resources as well as hazards to human visitors. \"We can't make these measurements by telescopic remote sensing from Earth or even by spacecraft flyby encounters or distant rendezvous,\" says Dr. Andrew Cheng, chief scientist in APL's Space Department, who also served as NEAR's lead scientist and is on the Hayabusa team.Experts say landing on a small body, without an atmosphere or gravity, is completely different than landing on a planet like Mars. \"We've worked together to design the Next Gen NEAR concept of operations to parallel, to the extent possible, operations of a future human mission,\" says Rob Landis, a NASA mission operations specialist.\"A mission like this requires extensive science operations from close-in orbit, including contact with the surface.\" says Dr. Paul Abell, of Johnson Space Center, Houston, and also a member of the NEAR and Hayabusa science teams.The Next Gen NEAR spacecraft would run on commercially available subsystems and carry lightweight scientific instruments (such as a camera, composition-measuring spectrometers and even a surface-interaction experiment) with flight heritage. It would be fitted with solar power, propulsion and communications systems that are compatible with launch on a medium-class rocket toward any one of several targets. It would also have payload capacity to spare for a co-manifested mission, as was done with NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter\/LCROSS spacecraft.\"This is a simple, straightforward workhorse of a mission that can launch quickly in 2014, stay within tight cost and schedule constraints and return the necessary data, for less than the cost of a low-risk Discovery-class mission,\" Cheng says. \"It can provide the critical capability NASA needs for the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate\u2019s new robotic-precursor exploration program even when budgets for such missions are being severely cut.\"The project has also captured the spirit of NASA's Summer of Innovation, with interns at APL playing a key role in the Next Gen NEAR study. Challenged to design an asteroid mission on a capped budget and tight schedule, 15 college interns worked with senior engineers and scientists from APL, GSFC and JSC in the APL concurrent engineering design center. Their innovative mission and spacecraft concepts contributed to Next Gen NEAR. \"The experience and results of this study are a win-win for all stakeholders,\" says Dr. Robert Gold, APL Space Department chief technologist and NEAR mission payload manager.\"Everybody was fired up to work on this project,\" adds Daniel Kelly, the systems engineer on the student team and an aerospace engineering graduate student at the University of Michigan. \"This joint team really clicked.\"NEAR Retrospective: NEAR was the first mission to orbit an asteroid and \u2013 after a comprehensive year-long study that yielded more than 160,000 images and measurements of the geology, composition and geophysics of asteroid 433 Eros \u2013 the first mission to land on an asteroid surface. Designed and built in just 26 months, the car-sized, solar-powered NEAR Shoemaker was one of 64 spacecraft APL has designed, built or operated over the past half-century. Revisit the mission athttp:\/\/near.jhuapl.edu.Source.", "thread_id": 16349 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.767653888Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-01T19:08:30+0100", "id": "2206a89a9d8f7970ff44b05fbb3df4e9", "post_id": "post-251444", "text": "Discover Magazine - Bad Astronomy:Curious about Curiosity? Here\u2019s info on where to watch!The Planetary Society Blog:Videos: Where are Curiosity's science instruments and how do they work?[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=diygR-TeXoI\"]Exploring Curiosity--Part 2: The Other Science Instruments - YouTube[\/ame]SPACE.com:Daring Mars Rover Landing Has High Stakes for NASANew NASA Mars Rover is a Red Planet Mini-Truck, Ford SaysDiscovery News:Curiosity: The Ultimate Off-World Vehicle", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63644416Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-19T22:39:52+0100", "id": "b66db66f9bde3f15578c93743dca9310", "post_id": "post-220913", "text": "Urwumpe said:Maybe we can find Beagle 2...or its crater.\n\nUgh...don't remind me.As it is, I think I'm safe making some of the more obvious textures now while I have the free time, since I'm pretty sure no one can scrub the need for supplies on this mission.It looks like most of them will be the same, but with replacing the names of the element. I've smacked together a basic design, and I'll work on weathering it a little tonight (maybe :shifty:), so that when the time comes to finalise everything I'll have less work to do.Excellent plan structure, by the way.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.609775872Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T19:00:23+0100", "id": "4c7e49d44590fee2cd2eb18ce9aecaff", "post_id": "post-220533", "text": "Anyone mind if I start a social group?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.872546048Z", "author": "fraxudemspas", "date": "2012-08-06T06:33:49+0100", "id": "eea116c7f2373488ef56ca134ab91741", "post_id": "post-251601", "text": "That was awesome. Congratulations to everyone involved!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65381376Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-06-12T21:34:13+0100", "id": "0f9fef603b28d606bee9983e67bdae5d", "post_id": "post-221063", "text": "Izack; I am totally against the idea of leaving the interplanetary segment in an eccentric orbit. Quite frankly it is ludicrous. Sure it saves fuel said:Good point. Though maybe we can over time using the moons use a gravity assist to circularize our orbit.Plan be might be at a latter point towards the end of the mission the stack does a parking orbit burn to loose it eccentricity. Making it safe for a rendezvous.In that scenario it does make my point of saving fuel pointless on the stack but still we get a awesome view of the moons.As for launching probes we could put it in the mission plan. But not actually do it. As a sort of\"Hey this is what we do now\" sort of deal. Rather than waist time making a whole new item that we could have to carry on board.And on a final note. Why retrieve the probe?:)hail::probe:) Why not plan it as an impactor?\n\n", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613632Z", "author": "Kveldulf", "date": "2010-05-07T01:04:06+0100", "id": "d9a94cec304404e170f8216290a1ca04", "post_id": "post-220728", "text": "You could always have the meshes be a little short, and pretend that the rest is underground.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.927007488Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2012-08-06T07:38:58+0100", "id": "238990a8712357afb059d543d30359da", "post_id": "post-251666", "text": "Keatah said:Too much dirt on the hazcam lenses.. skycrane kicked up more dust than expected.\n\nNot the lenses but the covers. The HazCams have lens covers that protected the lenses from dust and debris kicked up during landing. The next set of images should be clearer.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.668414208Z", "author": "Arrowstar", "date": "2010-05-05T15:19:21+0100", "id": "fad0a4b45cb2c60fa0bb04711ffbbf82", "post_id": "post-220676", "text": "Hey guys, looking good. Just remember that you don't want to kill your project before it has started - keep the initial project goals simple and easy to achieve. Once you build up something with a bit of momentum, then start with the more ambitious tasks of making your own modules and whatnot. I worry that if it takes too long to get off the ground in Orbiter, the project will never get off the ground at all....Good luck!", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.666667776Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T04:30:42+0100", "id": "7d83e2bd35bdcf75f5a909ac11ebd7de", "post_id": "post-220661", "text": "Item # 14680 out of 20000I would still like to see mission specific skins for all ships involved in this endeavor if at all possible.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.986141952Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2012-08-16T01:55:23+0100", "id": "1f4929e41a3204084b41e8e215bb9cea", "post_id": "post-251822", "text": "I couldn't think of a better place for this...:rofl:http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=QFvNhsWMU0c&feature=youtu.be", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.566614784Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-10T15:46:16+0000", "id": "45cbf42830fdf589e37a58062deebb6f", "post_id": "post-220443", "text": "RGClark said:The masses for the extra structures needed for reusability are far less than those.\n\nYou are right if you claim that the real masses for all this stuff is likely lower - it is first order estimates. But the reality is not \"4% will mean 1% eventually\". The numbers are more like \"From 4% initial estimate, you can cut it down to 3.5%\"", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66779008Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T06:06:12+0100", "id": "22c8b1adb6065681fb52dd0e417d625d", "post_id": "post-220671", "text": "Lol, well, there's always \"Red Marble Express\" :rofl:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.084299776Z", "author": "Sunset_Twilight", "date": "2010-08-29T15:36:57+0100", "id": "a36c6332c7db3a606fc497c2284f29f0", "post_id": "post-252232", "text": "Can't believe what Vettel did to Button:(", "thread_id": 16268 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.623765504Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-11T16:42:15+0100", "id": "40eecb29b713a42b3914526dcb95a26b", "post_id": "post-220815", "text": "I personally think assembly a space station in Mars orbit is not the best choice since it distracts a lot of resources for the primary goal of actually landing on Mars.And I like the Cycler idea, this would be really cool to have, especially since you would need at least six cyclers for a complete system.;)And assembling a cycler would be far more \"different\" to OFSS, compared to just doing the same on another planet.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.81764352Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-04-26T19:15:05+0100", "id": "8d5d86bbe340a4b2e22079f494edf2ff", "post_id": "post-219364", "text": "This is your assumption based on what you currently know.Anyway. I'm going out with my alien dog before this threadevolvesinto a flame war.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.17016832Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2010-08-30T22:48:44+0100", "id": "ab50445e6c9e0676637ce49a7e89b994", "post_id": "post-252325", "text": "when a certain undetermined amount of early-adopter suckers buy it the price will drop to where I'll buy one. till then, to me, it is non-existent. A tech demo, nothing more.---------- Post added at 04:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:42 PM ----------Hielor said:And they're significantly higher quality than that thing and don't require dozens of hours of work to get set up.That's how things work. You can pay more to get it done professionally, or you can pay less and invest a lot of time to do it yourself. Not surprising.Have you ever actually used a trackIR with a single monitor? I have glasses, so am fairly limited in how \"shifty-eyed\" I can get, and I have absolutely no problems with it. Far from \"stupid,\" it's an absolutely amazing experience and I can't live without it.\n\nI still have to disagree, if I look left then I see perhaps a wall or the hallway or bookcase. I am certainly not looking at a monitor. So if trackIR shows me something and I'm not looking that way, what's the point. I ain't gonna see it! Sure, it lets you get a bouncy view with a slightly different perspective. But that's about it.It is a concept product, that, when refined, may be useful and fun.. Meantime to all you beta-testers out there! Let's get purchasing the next version and keep it up!!", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560893696Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-06-02T16:40:30+0100", "id": "2818a94654ab53e1b5c822dfe5859a84", "post_id": "post-220376", "text": "Matrix Aran said:Begging your pardon, but I'm having trouble here. If you can refuel the SSTO and go to the moon, why not develop a TSTO that can be refueled in orbit and also go to the moon. Surely it would have the advantage of being a smaller mass being sent to the moon?Which then begs another question, how would you get the fuel up there in the first place?\n\nGood question, which reminded me of another interesting fact. The explanation involves the concept ofdelta-v, which is the increase in velocity a rocket stage can impart. Note: a related but not quite the same use of the term is how much of a velocity change is required to complete a certain mission. For instance you'll see a phrase like the \"delta-v to orbit is about 9,200 m\/s.\"Now for a two stage to orbit vehicle typically the largest delta-v is imparted by the upper stage at around 6,000 m\/s, with the lower stage giving a smaller amount, around 3,000 m\/s. Now, take a look at this diagram that give the delta-v requirements for getting to and from the Moon:Delta-v budget.Earth\u2013Moon space \u2014 high thrusthttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Delta-v_budget#Earth.E2.80.93Moon_space_.E2.80.94_high_thrustIf you add up the delta-v required to get from LEO to the Moon and back again it's around 8,700 m\/s. Note this is less than the delta-v needed to get to LEO.However, it is true that the delta-v a stage can impart is dependent on how much payload it is carrying. So for instance aCentaur upper stagecan be used on an Atlas V rocket or Delta IV rocket to carry a 10mT or 20mT payload to orbit. But it would not have enough delta-v if refueled in orbit to carry the same size payload to the Moon and back according to the amount of delta-v required for such a mission.But if you wanted it to do this for a much smaller payload, it could. You can calculate that it could carry a bit more than 1 mT to the Moon and back if refueled in LEO. This would be useful for robotic missions to carry a robotic lander to the Moon to pick up samples to return to Earth. This would be useful for prospector missions. Note also since the delta-v to some near Earth asteroids is even less than that to the Moon, this could also be useful for prospector missions to some NEO's.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.818825984Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-26T22:59:01+0100", "id": "027f612a175fd81863a40ec1f014f844", "post_id": "post-219376", "text": "A human goes to the bottom of the sea and says \"hello, noble fish, bring me before your leader\"...We are just fish in the gas waters filled with oxygen. Why would an alien race want to contact us?Or just imagine that Valles Marineris could have been caused during a space war... our only defense would be the umbrellas we use against rain.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.496136192Z", "author": "Star Voyager", "date": "2010-09-01T21:52:24+0100", "id": "b47e1c92227f6b9d4bc5b8f98e421b74", "post_id": "post-252694", "text": "TMac3000 said:This chick is right out of James Bond:thumbup:\n\nShe looks pretty hot :10sign::11sign:!", "thread_id": 16320 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.651175936Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-06-11T16:04:57+0100", "id": "e35f8a3ee91f0aff7d4e97c91fa09cc4", "post_id": "post-221040", "text": "Bloodworth said:The problem with the Apollo LM is that the engines are nowhere near powerful enough to keep the vehicle from becoming a small smoking hole on the surface of mars. Even if the descent engine could handle the load you still have 2 problems left; the ascent engine would barely lift the ascent stage off the descent stage under martian gravity and two; the entire vehicle would collapse under its own weight under martian gravity. The Apollo LM was an EXTREMELY fragile vessel that was only meant to be able to support its own weight under LUNAR gravity. There's also the small matter of it not having been designed for atmospheric reentry...The LM also gives us a maximum surface operations crew of 2...\n\nWhen I said we should modify the LM, I guess what I really meant was that I would like to see a design similar more to the Altair than the LM however I would like to have some accurate systems simulations and I think that the control panels etc. would probably be similar between both vehicles. Therefore, if we could modify the LM code so that it would behave like the Altair yet retain its realism and basic design, it would save time as opposed to creating a whole new ship.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.496136192Z", "author": "Star Voyager", "date": "2010-09-01T21:52:24+0100", "id": "b47e1c92227f6b9d4bc5b8f98e421b74", "post_id": "post-252694", "text": "TMac3000 said:This chick is right out of James Bond:thumbup:\n\nShe looks pretty hot :10sign::11sign:!", "thread_id": 16320 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.473283584Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2010-05-01T04:25:11+0100", "id": "8e2e360f75cf7e8a6f55cf0330e5c27e", "post_id": "post-219928", "text": "T.Neo said:I concur with Linguofreak. Make the money prettier.And the 1 dollar coin with the Apollo 11 mission logo on it... purely awesome.\n\nExcept Kennedy needs to be on the front, or put it on the back ofthis.The problem with making NASA money is that the people on it could still be alive.", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.8146496Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-04-26T12:43:00+0100", "id": "dad9593aec23ca00c50a100dfe4345e3", "post_id": "post-219331", "text": "I'm suprised he would take this sort of position. Part of me wants to think he is just being dramatic.If you take the famousDrake Equationand divide it by the volume of the Milky Way you would have an intelegent alien civ every 250 LY. INow this is probably way to optimistic because it's all just a bunch of assumtions.I would think though that Hawking would be one who believes intersteller travel is virtually impossible.My personal belief and answer to theFermi paradoxis that we will never see a living intellegent alien. We may discover their remains or works some day but it's probably akin to what Clark described in the Rama series. Civs are to far apart and to spread out in time to make contact with each other.I think it more likley we will meet their robots rather than them.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.694330624Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-10-03T14:33:52+0100", "id": "9a162c51350f1010db995f93f42c5466", "post_id": "post-251126", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog: \"Fourth MSL Landing Site Workshop: Day 3: Final discussion\".", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.552072192Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-11-12T20:31:38+0000", "id": "3ee71f46de6cabe980c044060f6dcb9a", "post_id": "post-220273", "text": "The propellant tanks are frequently the heaviest component of the dryweight of the vehicle, even more than the engines.\n\nWasn't this argued not to be the case? I tried to give examples inthis postshowing that engines could make up a fourth to a third the total stage dry mass, and I didn't include the thrust structure. And the figuresherefor the Atlas D show a booster mass of over 50% of the vehicle's dry mass! That isn't even including the sustainer engine and its thrust structure.Also, does anyone have a source describing the mass breakdown percentages of rocket stages? I've been trying to find this information for months! :shrug:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.579889152Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-07-04T22:52:44+0100", "id": "3782a44f6d30e51788e14dcab64a874a", "post_id": "post-220172", "text": "Gravity losses are problem in the begining of flight when you have to quickly clear dense parts of atmosphere and gain tangential speed.\n\nBut we're not talking about the beginning of the flight, where you are passing through the thick lower-altitude parts of the atmosphere. At that point, your vehicle is still carrying a large amount of propellant, is accelerating relatively slowly, and itneedsa large amount of thrust to accelerate.We're talking about late in the flight with most of the propellant expended. With the engines running at full capacity, the acceleration would either be too much for the astronauts, at least, or even too much for the spacecraft structure to withstand.Exactly - throttled down engines work usually below theirs maximum efficiency.\n\nI was talking about lugging around engine mass that from a physics perspective you no longer need, but you make a good point. If throttling down the engine reduces exhaust velocity in some way, it is an extra problem.BTW my most with ETS calculations was intended to show that doing numbers for orbiter isn't that hard. There are plenty of tools to do it both online and on OHM to do it.\n\nSeconded. With Math (tm) And A Bit Of Knowledge, You Too Can Become An Amateur Rocket Scientist!**WARNING: Actual scientific validity not guarunteed.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.932681728Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-07-22T15:28:10+0100", "id": "75d165386c791b1f6dc8c3f5bdbc9971", "post_id": "post-251168", "text": "NASA's Next Mars Rover to Land at Gale CraterPASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's next Mars rover will land at the foot of a layered mountain inside the planet's Gale crater.The car-sized Mars Science Laboratory, or Curiosity, is scheduled to launch late this year and land in August 2012. The target crater spans 96 miles (154 kilometers) in diameter and holds a mountain rising higher from the crater floor than Mount Rainier rises above Seattle. Gale is about the combined area of Connecticut and Rhode Island. Layering in the mound suggests it is the surviving remnant of an extensive sequence of deposits. The crater is named for Australian astronomer Walter F. Gale.\"Mars is firmly in our sights,\" said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. \"Curiosity not only will return a wealth of important science data, but it will serve as a precursor mission for human exploration to the Red Planet.\"During a prime mission lasting one Martian year -- nearly two Earth years -- researchers will use the rover's tools to study whether the landing region had favorable environmental conditions for supporting microbial life and for preserving clues about whether life ever existed.\"Scientists identified Gale as their top choice to pursue the ambitious goals of this new rover mission,\" said Jim Green, director for the Planetary Science Division at NASA Headquarters in Washington. \"The site offers a visually dramatic landscape and also great potential for significant science findings.\"In 2006, more than 100 scientists began to consider about 30 potential landing sites during worldwide workshops. Four candidates were selected in 2008. An abundance of targeted images enabled thorough analysis of the safety concerns and scientific attractions of each site. A team of senior NASA science officials then conducted a detailed review and unanimously agreed to move forward with the MSL Science Team's recommendation. The team is comprised of a host of principal and co-investigators on the project.Full Article...Gale Crater", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.621601792Z", "author": "dnt462", "date": "2010-05-10T19:29:29+0100", "id": "64e4ef235676fd45821e00a697d4462a", "post_id": "post-220796", "text": "Salun said:THis is a rough draft of how I think the mission should go.Stage oneStarting right off the bat first day we have ourselfs and a luanch of a unmanned probe to mars.\n\nYou mean:probe:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.647702784Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-08T18:52:42+0100", "id": "0b91f725ede539736eb59038a284d346", "post_id": "post-221011", "text": "Whoo! I'm a demigod! :lol:In all seriousness, I don't see any need for titles aside from BJ as project manager. What am I? Senior Director of Texture Failing? Pablo is Lord of the Biodome? Urwumpe is, well, Qualified Person who Keeps us All on Track?Titles are moot. We're all just members contributing what we can to a project.And for your LMO space station Voyager, that idea was already thrown around and discarded. You missed it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.989410304Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-08-22T01:36:26+0100", "id": "929fd1c906a08e4eeda98c1e71a10935", "post_id": "post-251849", "text": "Now that is very interesting.Is that data what they expected?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.629128448Z", "author": "lennartsmit", "date": "2010-05-14T21:35:36+0100", "id": "88ba991883ce5b515edbdf566e598112", "post_id": "post-220865", "text": "I think we need to keep it at least moderately realistic. First we need good, scientific research on mission goals and possible landing-spots.Then we need a small space-station in orbit around Mars. This should be built up by separate launches, with modules that stay dormant until the launch-window opens. We could launch the modules with a derivative of the Ares V or a Saturn rocket.Then, not in an unrealistically large stack, but with separate tugs, the modules would go to Mars. Supplies could go up in that same launch-window.After the space-station is completed we could prepare a small Martian base that would later be used for human habitation.After that we need a lander and a realistic spacecraft that can support crew for at least a year. We shouldn't use the DGIV or the XR series as landers as they are completely impractical and unrealistic for landing without a runway.Just my two cent's but I hope to steer this project in the somewhat realistic.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.43267584Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2008-05-11T17:58:17+0100", "id": "616c40d9dbb9f9501e800bc010cb9710", "post_id": "post-65194", "text": "A \"coercive humanitarian invasion\" is an oxymoron. What stupidity. But it certainly doesn't surprise me that some boneheads would be thinking of this. There are several faults in thinking prevalent worldwide, starting with the notion that you are responsible for everyone else and their problems, as well as the idea that there is a Good War. War is a last resort for defending yourself when there is no other choice. You can't feed people by killing them, unless your objective is to reduce the number of hungry mouths by any means available.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.991483392Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-22T17:16:14+0100", "id": "0648d1ce5abf7024a542fe1799c64b61", "post_id": "post-251866", "text": "Universe Today:Take a Look Through Curiosity\u2019s ChemCamThis (adjusted) image was taken by ChemCam\u2019s Remote Micro-Imager on Sol 15 (NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/LANL)Images: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/LANL. Edited by J. Major.\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63578368Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-19T04:18:02+0100", "id": "87d566965641c2fb91d245e898a0dd50", "post_id": "post-220906", "text": "Bj said:..was being sarcastic about the helicopter. Helicopters need air to lift and there is little air at LMO... but I guess it didn't convey well enough :thumbup:\n\nI shouldn't post when sleepy. :lol:I'll start work on modeling the greenhouses. Not the best at texturing, so I may leave that up for someone else. I'm going to make the doors on the greenhouse the standard UCGO door, so it's compatible with any modules we may ever link them to.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.575499008Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-03-04T23:47:05+0000", "id": "da161ecaf950e6256cda04eca1abd9b6", "post_id": "post-220122", "text": "I think that, until technology will have progressed far enough, two stage rockets are the optimal for low operating costs - a two stage rocket can already haul a lot of payload for its take-off weight, needs not much mass for separation systems and can also work well with less than optimal engines.Also, it is much simpler to introduce reuse into two stage rockets...simpler in this case means: It is still pretty hard, but no longer a test of faith.That one here was already pretty advanced, sadly it is now completely dead:http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/lvs\/kislerk1.htm", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.006088704Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-12T17:33:36+0100", "id": "1c1d2f8fab06233e06ef4f15db6c888d", "post_id": "post-251965", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.669073664Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T19:24:38+0100", "id": "359b5dc4493f19af4cce77e4d1e118d7", "post_id": "post-220683", "text": "@WolferThat makes more sense. So does that double as a heat shield for the stack and a cargo lander? It could be interesting.---------- Post added at 06:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:20 PM ----------Short video of the stack spinning...gives a somewhat better view (or it would if I had any sense when positioning the camera.)[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=b5QZDF8EdFg\"]YouTube- Gravity by rotation[\/nomedia]I have two questions about this:1. How does one determine the centre of mass in a cluster of objects?2. How does one determine the required rotational energy for Earth-normal (or almost normal) gravity near the ends of the craft?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.575729664Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-03-05T12:24:27+0000", "id": "e16d964b7ac0968a6415d8db91d7c2db", "post_id": "post-220125", "text": "Yes... I forgot Raduga and PARES, should have paid more attention to the shape of the vehicle. :facepalm:I'll keep it in mind if I ever come across the subject in future.Still, you need to have thermal protection... even if you minimise heating on most parts of the vehicle, it is still a large surface area to cover.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.676081408Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-08-02T16:28:00+0100", "id": "adc29a9b3d9f6358b428a2fd328d3de1", "post_id": "post-69117", "text": "GLS said:Urwumpe: did you read my questions regarding your new MPS functs??\n\nYes, I think I already answered them, but if the answer was too brief, feel free to ask more questions. Basically, you should call them from the Propagate() function (as this is the transition from the last state to the next). But Prestep() would also be good. PostStep() will be too late.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.471625472Z", "author": "Wally", "date": "2010-04-29T21:17:29+0100", "id": "af43da2c3d5299a4d6d3f8a9d7f18bf6", "post_id": "post-219917", "text": "This would be so cool:http:\/\/richardsmith.posterous.com\/a-giant-leap-for-mankind-nate-castiglione", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.823071232Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-04-29T00:16:20+0100", "id": "4f913c1070b45b242464af5ef96ce2bc", "post_id": "post-219415", "text": "Star Voyager said:If she was an alien, let our Earth be overtaken by her:)! Nice picture :speakcool:!\n\nAs I said a few pages before: the hatches open, and they crawl out of their giant spaceship, thousands of female aliens. Their goal: self-preservation by an \"alien\" species. I could imagine female alien could become rather popular:cheers:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.560098048Z", "author": "Thundersnook", "date": "2010-09-02T21:10:29+0100", "id": "e80f25631ff2deb1912cbe12b1c09d4c", "post_id": "post-252922", "text": "Thats very cool!!:)Especially the rover! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16336 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.562861312Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-07-18T14:45:47+0100", "id": "c1bd3aaf26e7a559ad618a5730259f41", "post_id": "post-220404", "text": "I've been arguing that SSTO's are actually easy because how to achieve them is perfectly obvious: use the most weight optimized stages and most Isp efficient engines at the same time, i.e., optimize both components of the rocket equation. But I've recently found it's eveneasierthan that! It turns out you don't even need the engines to be of particularly high efficiency.SpaceX is moving rapidly towards testing its Grasshopper scaled-down version of a reusable Falcon 9 first stage:Reusable rocket prototype almost ready for first liftoff.BY STEPHEN CLARKSPACEFLIGHT NOWPosted: July 9, 2012http:\/\/www.spaceflightnow.com\/news\/n1207\/10grasshopper\/SpaceX deserves kudos for achieving a highly weight optimized Falcon 9 first stage at a 20 to 1 mass ratio. However, the Merlin 1C engine has an Isp no better than the engines we had in the early sixties at 304 s, and the Merlin 1D is only slightly better on the Isp scale at 310 s. This is well below the highest efficiency kerosene engines (Russian) we have now whose Isp's are in the 330's. So I thought that closed the door on the Falcon 9 first stage being SSTO.However, I was surprised when I did the calculation that because of the Merlin 1D's lower weight the Falcon 9 first stage could indeed be SSTO. I'll use the Falcon 9 specifications estimated by GW Johnson, a former rocket engineer, now math professor:WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2011Reusability in Launch Rockets.http:\/\/exrocketman.blogspot.com\/2011\/12\/reusability-in-launch-rockets.htmlThe first stage propellant load is given as 553,000 lbs, 250,000 kg, and the dry weight as 30,000 lbs, 13,600 kg. The Merlin 1C mass hasn't been released, but I'll estimate it as 650 kg, from its reported thrust and thrust\/weight ratio. The Merlin 1D mass has been estimated to be 450 kg. Then on replacing the 1C with the 1D we save 9*200 = 1,800kg from the dry weight to bring it to 11,800 kg.The required delta v to orbit is frequently estimated as 30,000 feet per second for kerosene-fueled vehicles, 9,144 m\/s. When calculating the delta v your rocket can achieve, you can just use your engines vacuum Isp since the loss of Isp at sea level is taken into account in the 30,000 fps number. Then this version of the Falcon 9 first stage could lift 1,200 kg to orbit:310*9.81ln(1 + 250\/(11.8 + 1.2)) = 9,145 m\/s.Then the Falcon 9 first stage could serve as a proof of principle SSTO on the switch to the Merlin 1D engine.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.084115712Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-08-14T13:17:25+0100", "id": "6f0047b32480368fb2b4398644f11529", "post_id": "post-219545", "text": "Here is a cool photo by iconic Australia photographer Max Dupain, of an iconic Sydney building (Australia) square, designed by iconic Australian architect Harry Seidler:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.67857536Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-11-04T23:09:17+0000", "id": "b2e547439772bfabce405bf08b7dd6e4", "post_id": "post-69146", "text": "DaveS said:I remember reading about it. All the force from the constant thrusting while attached is applied all at once released. That does explain the severe vertical speed on lift-off.\n\nYeah, a rubber band effect. I don't yet know what causes it, as it is contrary to what the remaining behavior of attachment points is like.I think I solved it by manually setting the rvel parameter of the state to the rvel of the pad.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.50346624Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-04-30T10:57:14+0100", "id": "899d8cd3141ef46898db2b5bc7338df5", "post_id": "post-220016", "text": "SiberianTiger said:Why? Do they deny you of laughing? Look, it's simple: :lol:\n\nI think he means he can't watch Youtube?", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62931072Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-15T04:04:07+0100", "id": "9addd8146fb7dc7222a86f2420b923c5", "post_id": "post-220867", "text": "Urwumpe said:The loads for aerobraking are, at most, lower than the loads by propulsion.\n\nGood to knowUrwumpe said:I don't find much more data on how much punishment they really take, but it seems you can generally say, that your spacecraft module will break before the bolts of the CBM.\n\nProgress offers what 196 kN thrust? Though I doubt they would ever run at 100%.Urwumpe said:And sorry, I find the cargo cult science in the thread a bit annoying. I might be a bit sarcastic right now, but let me put an conservative estimate: 99% of the posts in the thread are done by people, who couldn't even land on the moon, but who think that writing more posts and wild assumptions here is better than listening to the questions, suggestions and objections of those, who have the flight experience.Hell, I can't really understand why we suddenly got the MSS, and I am completely lost why we have many posts already discussing the name for it. Instead of serious calculations, people need to discuss the most basic form of the rocket equation, without any of the really needed extensions to it. What goes on here? If the thread is about pushing the ISS into Mars orbit, we can be done in 25 seconds, write the scenario and be done with it. Sorry, I feel the focus of landing on Mars is completely lost to making screen shots and naming contests of a spacecraft, of which we still don't know, what we expect of it. I can't believe that a week had to pass, without any progress towards Mars, but with a lot of red tape being handed around. I can already see NASA landing on Mars before we have decided if we should paint the floor grass-green or mars-red. That is *garble*, absolutely *garble*.\n\nIs that my fault? Urwumpe, look at who is exactly on this little project here. How many of them are addon devs? Counting from the social group, 2 good quality devs, + me(at about average skill dev)...NASA = 100% engineers at 40 hours a week + budget = progressOF = less than 1% can code like Artlav or you (counting the 700 some odd people that actually have 10 posts or more, not the 3,213 people that are < 10)There is a fuzzy line between realistic and unrealisticThere is a fuzzy line between work and fun.There is a thick hard line between possible and impossible.What some might consider realistic is pure bogus for others. Some developing might be considered fun for some, would be a job for others.For this project, the question becomes how to balance realistic and possible and being fun while using Orbiter for the simulator? Keep in mind the number of engineers and addon dev volunteers for this project...:rolleyes:Right now, for this project anyway, it would be impossible to create a realistic vessel using this crowd within any feasible timeframe. Given a year maybe I could pull together something worth anything, but till then.I think the MSS was created only for the reason of having something to do because, 1. no feasible realistic lander:)cough: arrow, :cough:), 2. sending a few modules into space, ship to Mars, deorbit some vessels, walk around a bit, return.... I think some of us have been there, done that. I have by myself already did that in a few hours. At least trying to send a larger mass to Mars would provide some pseudo-complexity.Wanna scrap the MSS? OK great, now then the mission boils down to, moving Arrow to mars, deorbit, walk around a bit..... :dry:Dont like the Arrow? OK great, now the mission boils down to making something that will work, any volunteers? :tumbleweed:(I hope I am one of those 1%...)Urwumpe said:Especially, even considering to your advantage that most people here have no university education on manned space mission design, I still feel that we have one day of discussion for just 5 minutes of using a pocket calculator. I would prefer the other way around. See that people really put effort into comparing alternatives or calculating how the flight manifest could work out for a while, before they go posting their findings for bringing the discussion forward.\n\nYES YES YESWant to know what I would like to see? Something like the constellation program except for Mars. Altered landing\/launching vessels of course.Whats everyone on this project think this project is about? Developing the craft using realistic technologies of today's working standards, or just flying to Mars with what is readily available. After reading posts from this thread, I would assume the former.If however, you find this unacceptable, please start a separate project that is sole purpose is to create a AMSO\/NASSAP\/SSU type vehicle(s) that is dedicated to flying to Mars. I would like to join that project and help any way I could, though it would be limited to mathematics and simple coding. (and I an not being sarcastic on this either)Urwumpe said:I am getting a bit frustrated here, and if people really decide to name even the toilet paper dispenser Colbert, I'll openly revolt. Colbert is a perfect name for the current state of the project. The hero of the under-performers, for a under-performing project.\n\nI feel your frustration, I feel a replica of it M-F 7Am to 3:30PM when working with\/for people at work that seem to have:censored:for brains.This disagrees,Colbert;)though [insert word here] for [your definition] would fit perfectly.lennartsmit said:First we need good, scientific research on mission goals and possible landing-spots.\n\nOK, anyone have any science experiments they wanna do?lennartsmit said:Then, not in an unrealistically large stack, but with separate tugs, the modules would go to Mars. Supplies could go up in that same launch-window.\n\nOk what should the modules consist of? Should this station be habitable? If so, we would need area for at least 2 years of food for # of astronauts, solar panels large enough to provide power for astronauts, radiators ext ext.. so just about the same as ISS but reconfigured.lennartsmit said:After that we need a lander and a realistic spacecraft that can support crew for at least a year. We shouldn't use the DGIV or the XR series as landers as they are completely impractical and unrealistic for landing without a runway.\n\nOK have any suggestions for the lander? At what stage is the design for this lander, contemplative?Ashaman42 said:Surely it's better to have a bit of discussion and see what people want to do\/how they want to go about it before going off half-cocked and getting things modelled\/coded that may not even be used.\n\nAh if only we where that ambitious.;)Ashaman42 said:And if some people are making suggestions that maybe they could have worked out for themselves, well, does it really matter? It is adiscussionforum after all. I know there are at least a few things I've understood better from talking them over rather than reading\/googling them.\n\nNo, small suggestions are fine, but darastic changes are really... like, lets go to the Moon, and after we have moved to Mars, as long as we are there, lets jump to Neptune...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.98246144Z", "author": "Thunder Chicken", "date": "2012-08-09T16:07:13+0100", "id": "849e7a0ee585a220d3e065cb2608ebf6", "post_id": "post-251795", "text": "And from the Martian Olympic judges...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.528957696Z", "author": "dre120v", "date": "2010-05-03T05:15:12+0100", "id": "002550d10b2628460fa914f868142df2", "post_id": "post-220069", "text": "Also:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/mission_pages\/station\/expeditions\/expedition23\/p37_launch.html", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630292736Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-16T14:40:51+0100", "id": "8b304a3139c27c5fa10f2610f0cc9f9e", "post_id": "post-220876", "text": "Pablo49 said:Hm, by semi-automatic, what do you mean? Like sending them to Mars before astronauts, so there is food ready on arrival or they operate themselves? Or something different? Can you upload the base sketch (assuming it's finished)?\n\nNo, actually just that not all tasks need to be done by astronauts, but that manual action is needed. For example irrigation can happen automatically, but harvesting or planting seeds not.Once the base sketch is done, I can upload it, I have still some small details that don't work together (eg where and how to install a nuclear reactor), also I am not sure yet how much \"farm\" land an astronaut needs for getting completely self-sustained and now much he needs if only 50,75, 90% sustainment-level is needed (eg, 50% of the food is from Mars, the rest is from Earth)Also I would like to get a map as background... :lol:---------- Post added at 03:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:02 AM ----------Here is the map of how I imagine the first phase of the Mars base so far:The whole image is about 500m x 500m large, I included two areas for landing\/launching spacecraft and one for the reactor (for which I am still not sure how to install it best).The central hab\/command module is the biggest massive structure, with 10m diameter, the greenhouses around the base are semi-rigid, which means they are a soft-skin kept stable by both internal pressure and a rigid framework. I left away an airlock from the current \"sketch\" of them, because it might make sense to not have one, but instead either have a tent-like airlock that gets installed additionally, and later connect the green houses to nodes and tunnels that permit entering the green houses without EVA.Since the greenhouses would be \"pretty\" light it would be possible to relocate them by astronaut power. I calculate with 2 greenhouses per astronaut.The hab\/command would be between 4 and 6 levels high, with the lowest full level containing airlocks and rover garage. The lowest level below the rover garage would contain support gear, like waste tanks, batteries, etc. and is only partially pressurized. the next levels would contain workshops, laboratories, crew quarters and the base command center\/communication on the top level, including astronomical gear, that could be used during Mars transit for navigation.Later extensions would be either using the same hull as the Hab\/Command module, or be cylindrical modules of smaller diameter, that will be dug below mars soil.The idea is to make the base slowly look more and more like Olympus is in Orbiter already.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.049635072Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2011-11-26T12:31:44+0000", "id": "fc30cf5f718f8c23ae246ebc33303ce3", "post_id": "post-251240", "text": "Coverage started.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.665584896Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-05T01:40:22+0100", "id": "ac96f3bd5d42cbf4966a22c9808f1609", "post_id": "post-220653", "text": "That booster idea is interesting, but then we have to find a way to use all three engines (or how ever many we might use) at the same time to get an accurate burn.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555678464Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-03T11:00:57+0000", "id": "8370a943c5fb4b0d04c42b65be889d35", "post_id": "post-220313", "text": "Hlynkacg said:Annecdote does not equal data.SpaceX was able to cut developement and launch costs by designing thier program by desinging their prgram to minimize overhead. This fact does not validate your post's other numerous flawed assumptions.\n\nThe importance of their accomplishment is that they showed space costs do not have to be as expensive as commonly believed. One of the key cuts in overhead as Elon has admitted was by keeping labor costs low.Elon also believes he can cut the costs to space to the $100 to $200 per kg range by reusability. Based on his track record I'd say it's a good bet he's probably right.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.417147392Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2010-10-13T17:01:35+0100", "id": "cd965d060bd3dc695084a5bf77190f12", "post_id": "post-252478", "text": "SolarStorm said:I realise the benefits of solar sails, but the part that always confuses me is this: once you move out to wherever you want to go, how do you get back? Ships tack to move against the wind, but last time I checked, fluid mechanics (specifically aerodynamics) and electromagnetics (specifically photonics) are completely different.Are solar sails just one-way craft or is there some way to fly them back to earth?\n\nDepending on the attitude of the sail with regard to the Sun, you can boost or reduce your orbit. See this .pdf (particularly the diagram at top of p.4)http:\/\/intrance.org\/paper\/200408_Providence_Dachwald_Sail.pdfor have a play around with the Java Applet solar-sail trajectory simulation on this sitehttp:\/\/www.u3p.netCheers,Brian---------- Post added at 05:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:31 PM ----------Wishbone said:Love the idea (you may have guessed as much from my nickname...), will check out the code and see what can be done navigation-wise (in other words right now in SolarSailEx I'm up a creek w\/o a paddle)EDIT: looking up the code will take a bit more than I expected - no Shockwave at the PC I'm using now\n\nSome kind of navigation tool would be great! I hope you can get somewhere with it.Wishbone said:EDIT #2: Whatever the PMIs are, paddles have to be continuously controlled to achieve desired torque (to end the roll and then to maintain a given attitude). By the way, my attempt to steer it from the Lua console ended in a CTD... pretty sure I got the arguments wrong.\n\nI'm totally ignorant of how Lua interfaces with vessel .dll's, but I tried not to change any of Martin's original code, so if Lua works with the original SolarSail, it should work with SolarSailEx.Wishbone said:Think that having to control paddles is slightly inconvenient. Currently I use Sceneditor to vary attitude to get the most Prograde and outward force. Maybe the process can be automated (with conjugate gradient maximization of the rate of growth of SMa), and only after that can we think of using paddles to get to that attitude. Just my 2 cents.\n\nWould be very cool to have some kind of attitude autopilot.Like low-thrust ion drive spacecraft, solar-sail missions to other planets can be quite long duration. So, I was thinking of implementing a \"high time acceleration attitude-hold\" function (for use with time accel >100x), similar to those I did for Smart-1 or Dawn add-ons (required attitude is calculated and set mathematically). I reckoned a \"maintain sun-angle\" function, together with \"maintain maximum prograde\/retrograde thrust angle\" functions, would be useful.A more sophisticated\/elegant\/realistic solution would be most welcome!Wishbone said:Wonder if a GaAs solar panel and a CMG would be better for attitude control... (how much do they add to the mass? - a CMG is 28 kg, how large a panel and the joint should be to get 150 W)\n\nSorry - whats a \"GaAs solar panel\" and a \"CMG\" ?:)Cheers,Brian", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.170349312Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-11-12T19:04:10+0000", "id": "9c6693fd2393facdc6eacc7d778f131a", "post_id": "post-219700", "text": "Roscosmos PAO: \"Progress M-05M to be Deorbited on Nov. 15\".Progress M-05M autonomous mission will finalize on Nov. 15.In line with the program uploaded by MCC, Progress retroburn will be initiated at 11:49 Moscow time. The main engine will operate for 186.2 sec, providing the braking burn of 89.7 mps to the vehicle. Remaining parts of the Progress, not burnt during the reentry, are expected to fall down in the south area of the Pacific ocean at about 12:35 MSK. Coordinates of the splashing-down center are: 47\u00b057` s.l., 220\u00b044`w.l.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56823424Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-04T00:48:15+0100", "id": "4adc1bdfd6b55c1a9b796c268ee9c744", "post_id": "post-220098", "text": "Urwumpe said:Stop talking, build it. The universe is the best calculator.\n\nI'm going to have to steal that line.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.43699072Z", "author": "fausto", "date": "2010-09-01T13:01:10+0100", "id": "a2ae0379e5046aefcf7a114e91e16e02", "post_id": "post-252535", "text": "Thank you from the italian community, too!:cheers:", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.632914176Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-19T01:53:31+0100", "id": "1c0925260437072dd01baac28bf1cd72", "post_id": "post-220902", "text": "Izack said:Could someone send me a list of cargoes required for this mission? I can get on making the textures, if you'd like.Bloodworth: Why not? You're the surface expedition manager, so it's your choice.\n\nActually, Supersonic is the sem, Im just an assistant manager:)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.577005568Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-03-05T23:40:54+0000", "id": "a124fe917709f903743d168d581fe53e", "post_id": "post-220139", "text": "of course, the external payload canisters had been last-resort solutions to keep the project at least slightly viable. Practically, such canisters are even on simpler shaped rockets a vicious thing.Also such canisters can only be used for satellites, for transporting experiments, they are less useful, since you can't return them to earth. Extremely bad for those missions, in which you need the wings as well.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.46895872Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-01T08:17:46+0100", "id": "84fa4e1e7bec57f2d2174bf6d675cbe6", "post_id": "post-252626", "text": "Currently, it doesn't look too dangerous.http:\/\/www.noaawatch.gov\/2010\/tc_at07.php", "thread_id": 16315 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.600691968Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-05-12T09:41:21+0100", "id": "0c60dfd6199e0ad4255a711b04181f6a", "post_id": "post-220520", "text": "Wally said:Thanks, that would be great. Also, I think a killrot for translation is also implemented, but I'm not sure.\n\nYou can do that via IMFD's Vem (Velocity match mode) or Attitude MFD's Target relative mode.Also, all RCS thrusters in Orbiter can be changed to a lower thrust setting (10%) via the shift key.", "thread_id": 14081 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.621107712Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-10T14:08:23+0100", "id": "ff830f1509a53d60c6b43e697d432ee6", "post_id": "post-220790", "text": "Linguofreak said:[...]I think it would be somewhat more realistic to send the station to Mars a few modules at a time (that way you don't need a super-huge propulsion unit to get it there), and do the assembly in Mars orbit[...]\n\nGood idea. Or maybe we could separate the station in sections and send it on more than one vessel. Althought that might more complicated for little benefit.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.012897536Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-12-03T19:23:09+0000", "id": "529cb062f0a81c13c2a05ef34f853527", "post_id": "post-252041", "text": "Is this the earth-shattering news for the history books?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630013696Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-15T22:51:42+0100", "id": "ff01807e67e19cbff02976ccf2fd1737", "post_id": "post-220873", "text": "Just as excuse: I did not intend to disqualify you, but to remind you on the Mars landings as challenge.Pablo49 said:Either way, we are getting derailed with this. If we are to scrap the MSS, lets start really discussing the alternatives and move forward.\n\nNo, what I am talking about is finally, and with the needed discipline, discuss the requirements of such a MSS or what ever we are going to use for the task. We still have not a single good manifest of what we are going to transport when with how many spacecraft. I don't expect final numbers, but at least a good first-order estimate that we can design the MSS for the payload mass and flight activities.I have a first phase mars base nearly sketched out, including some semi-automatic green houses for providing an initial crew with food and some additional oxygen (I doubt that we can best the failure of Biosphere II). Currently I am at a crew size of 8, but I think a larger crew of <16 would make sense. This is just first phase, for the first 18 months on Mars. The second phase could already see a small growth of the crew.The latest MSS design sketches had also been just a modular something in Mars orbit and not even something that could act as cycler station, that was maybe luring me to the wrong conclusions.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.903276032Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-30T04:33:30+0100", "id": "507498e5790ade79f34cf6edff340a94", "post_id": "post-219484", "text": "Well, looks like all the evidence points to a single-truss design as the best after all.However, I have one more postulation: if a ship did require plate-shielding (military reasons, maybe?), would a cone be an effective shape? Forgo the truss entirely, and simply put the load on the hull?To be specific, put the engine at the point of a narrow (10-15 degree or so) cone, with a hemisphere at the bow?Also, I have to bring up the bulletlike design of the Apollo spacecraft. I know at least the CM was designed to be aerodynamic, but the SM wasn't exposed to an atmosphere under normal circumstances was covered in plating.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.043364352Z", "author": "Ripley", "date": "2015-12-16T10:38:52+0000", "id": "a1ed28080e842ba615dda7982ea16ad5", "post_id": "post-252190", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.089714688Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2013-10-05T15:37:59+0100", "id": "2dff802a4067127302f32c1919ac8b2f", "post_id": "post-219585", "text": "Unstung said:The photos in the post above were captured with a DSLR (Nikon D3100), while these were taken with a point-and-shoot (Canon PowerShot S90).\n\nI prefer the latter, but I'm into architectural and street photography.The lack of activity in this thread disappoints me.\n\nSorry... Let's see some more 35mm monchrome film.These next two are from an old prison in Lorton, Virginia, which has been turned into a county park. They are demolishing some of the structures while others are fenced off. Meanwhile, there is a gated community next to it, which I find ironic.This next one is from the waterfront in Alexandria, Virginia. I used a Lensbaby lens to get the distorted edges.All these were shot on Kodak TriX film, which I believe just got sold, but the new owners say they'll keep making it thankfully.All three of these were printed and developed in \"lith\" developer, which gives them that grain and color. The first two were on Arista EDU brand paper while the last is on Fomatone MG Classic paper. Different chemistry in the different papers yields very different results.I prefer the Arista for that gritty dystopian look, and the Foma paper for that dreamy look. By changing up the developer chemistry I can get even more control.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.559288064Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-11T06:30:46+0000", "id": "8635f04b1c6bc8a28622e1c6069da422", "post_id": "post-220357", "text": "T.Neo said:For Dragon to be useful, it has to carry other stuff-mass, like people or cargo (and propellant). Having effectively just the mass of the capsule means that you have little or nothing left over to allocate to payload.\n\nYou may find it interesting to see what payload you get for this SSTO Falcon 9 from Schilling's launch performance calculator if you assume that with altitude compensation you can get the vacuum Isp of the Merlin Vacuum and vacuum thrust of the Merlin 1D.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.638741504Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-09-03T06:53:49+0100", "id": "338da04f6ae3d14a5a8bde15268bd433", "post_id": "post-253040", "text": "Shadow Addict said:I can't comment on how viable a program like this is so I'll just say what came to my mind:THAT IS SO BADASS. Can't wait til the media gets a hold of this and reports on NASA bombing the Sun!\n\nYep they sure are going to have a field day with this more so then with the \"THEY ARE BOMBING THE MOON TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BLOW IT UP STOP THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\"", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.556042752Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-03T20:54:23+0000", "id": "d1109d881cf756c96c669d76bb516777", "post_id": "post-220318", "text": "RGClark said:Are you saying SpaceX benefits financially by intentionally deceiving people on this issue?\n\nCongratulations, you just became aware of marketing. :rofl:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.44854144Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-30T19:58:14+0100", "id": "c206660e84313c3a98acf7197cf5ef6b", "post_id": "post-219878", "text": "Did you know about the space program in Atlantis? They blasted the Cylon iron mothersips that crashed on the moon and that's why you have magnetic field. This war started when Cylons attacked Atlantis Mars base with a big asteroid that carved Valles Marineris... If you fly to other planets you may find some landers made by Atlantis space program.It is ancient history, you earthlings.", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.676362496Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2008-08-02T18:45:21+0100", "id": "47dab3da6358919f7da39807626f59af", "post_id": "post-69121", "text": "Urwumpe said:No.Allowing direct access would make transparent testing of the MPS code impossible, also, the responsibility for the thruster belongs to the Atlantis vessel class. Letting the MPS handle the creation and control the SSME thruster will not be simpler.\n\nsorry about the delay... I was taking a shower...OK... so going back to your functs:1) What's the purpose of SetSSMEParams? (my guess: engine creation)2) If my guess above is correct, how do I get\/set engine throttle??", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.512609792Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-30T10:05:22+0100", "id": "4603513bff0e1c66a8ebad2a4ef26034", "post_id": "post-220031", "text": "i don't remember the linkA-OK's wings of memcury,it isn't free,is it funny?", "thread_id": 14074 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55293312Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-11-13T15:42:11+0000", "id": "3000aca575c102b9ad2196540585ce10", "post_id": "post-220280", "text": "RGClark said:Actually, it doesn't say what the tank mass is for a given propellant load. But it does show on p.9 that you can increase your structural strength by having a pressurized tank, as proven by the early versions of the Atlas rocket that used \"balloon tanks\".\n\nyes, but if you did not skip the first 4 pages, you will also be able to put the structural engineering concepts of the various stresses, elasticity and moduli into perspective... even more if you had been involved in structural mechanics projects before.;)", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.930207488Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2012-08-06T08:51:25+0100", "id": "ea23cf671eb6229164951be4106b32be", "post_id": "post-251688", "text": "Mega-cool! :thumbup: God Bless America!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55370752Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2011-12-09T08:45:11+0000", "id": "fa20daeaf6ecb27f58ad19ad80c0e7df", "post_id": "post-220288", "text": "My $0.02...I'm not sure if this has been previosly mentioned in this thread or not. I've tried going back to read it all, and well... It's almost as hard to read as some of the proceedures I have to work through here at a nuclear plant.I think it's been shown that reusability (in present form of the words) is still somewhat mythological. The SSME are reuseable, but only after a long and lengthy (and expensive) rebuild process to again certify them flight ready.SpaceX wants Dragon to be reuseable, but there will still be some in-depth non-destructive examination (NDI), along with other tests to recert the Dragon for spaceflight, correct?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.56728064Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-19T08:43:38+0000", "id": "313ed8e52db47146067e2dcca38a8e04", "post_id": "post-220449", "text": "RGClark said:However, SpaceX wants to transition to reusables.\n\nCitation needed.---------- Post added at 09:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:41 AM ----------RGClark said:This was a spin around the longitudinal axis. They believe they can solve this by adding landing legs to the first stage which can be deployed like an ice skater extending her arms to slow down the spin.\n\nThat was no simple spin, that was a tumbling including vortexing and sloshing of the liquid propellants. You can damp this by thrusters, but these consume fuel. You can add heavy gyroscopes. Or make the tanks heavier by including more anti-slosh and anti-vortex baffles.Also about your reuse calculations: Do you know why the Ariane 5 does not recover its boosters, like the Space Shuttle did?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.981977088Z", "author": "fort", "date": "2012-08-09T13:59:54+0100", "id": "325b7c57e3726fa0278f1b96b4aec85d", "post_id": "post-251791", "text": "The mouth of the Martians when they will discover that the Terrians are in metal! :huh:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5655552Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2013-10-22T13:02:18+0100", "id": "3f6f7bd97e7b681815fb3edbe13c0c0b", "post_id": "post-220432", "text": "Assuming a stage mass of 415 tons, a propellant fraction of 95.5% and a dV to orbit of 9100 m\/s, that would be a 'significant payload' of roughly two tons. This with a takeoff mass of over 400 tons; indeed, the majority of F9 v 1.1's takeoff mass, for only a small fraction of the payload. Even Antares lifts more payload, at roughly half the takeoff mass.It really puts the advantages of staging in perspective; for only about 20% increase in mass, you get an overfive-foldincrease in payload. And if the first stage truly is the majority of the launch cost, you won't get much of an increase in cost either.If SSTO were as advantageous, and as possible to make happen with SpaceX hardware, as you make it out to be, then SpaceX would be actively pursuing SSTO vehicles. All indications are that they aren't. It doesn't make sense.And being able to recover a stage from F9 staging velocity and from orbit are two very,verydifferent things. If you tried that with the F9 first stage, you would end up adding a lot of mass to the stage- obliterating your payload and probably the ability to make orbit altogether.You also wouldn't be able to deliver payloads to higher orbits, which is a big part of the launch market.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586480384Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-17T14:54:05+0100", "id": "59109ab94db39f20e11c4bca6355a684", "post_id": "post-220248", "text": "Urwumpe said:The actual tank structure mass has always been very low on rockets, compared to the thrust structure holding the engines. About 70% of a rockets dry mass is engines and thrust structure.\n\nThis is not correct. The propellant tanks are always a significant mass for any rocket. This is especially true for hydrogen fueled vehicles since the tanks have to be so large to hold the low density LH2.I am aware that on the Saturn V the thrust structure had to be particularly heavy. But this is probably the case because the Saturn V was such a large vehicle, with the large masses of the upper stages and payload that had to be lofted.This report by an aerospace professor uses some mass estimating relationships that rocket engineers use to estimate masses in designing their vehicles:Mass Estimating Relations\u2022 Review of iterative design approach\u2022 Mass Estimating Relations (MERs)\u2022 Sample vehicle design analysishttp:\/\/spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu\/academics\/483F09\/483F09L13.mass_est\/483F09L13.MER.pdfThis shows that for a SSTO the thrust structure is a relatively small proportion of the dry mass compared to the mass of the engines and propellant tanks.It also confirms that an expendable SSTO is feasible using hydrogen fuel.However, these same mass estimation formulas can also be used to show that a dense propellant SSTO can be made of smaller dry mass to carry the same payload.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.495863552Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-01T14:45:56+0100", "id": "ecdf97cf61f4c2af8a626e883d5954da", "post_id": "post-252692", "text": "O-F Staff Note: Moved to Off-topic.", "thread_id": 16320 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.618071296Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-09T21:53:57+0100", "id": "487f8ce76fdcf65622d7053d0f82bd1e", "post_id": "post-220768", "text": "Awesome ship! How exactly will the shuttles land on Mars without a runway? Are you planning on installing parachutes, hover thrusters, and landing gear?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6559936Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-06-14T22:47:55+0100", "id": "b2284ce908ab0d0914a0c74c3cf96e76", "post_id": "post-221088", "text": "Good work mate:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.520729088Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-03T03:39:21+0100", "id": "f3dbba87548251776ac3a1e3f9932bac", "post_id": "post-252775", "text": "Okay, I am planning my trip to the Moon. Since I have something of a notorious record for crash landing, I will not use a UMMU compatible ship. My landing site will be at Rhysling Crater.By the way, I should tell you I am still up in the air about my ship. I would like to design it myself. I need some help with coding, the mesh, and the texture. The config and scenarios I would like to design myself. By the way, when did you guys do Orbiter Forum Mission to the Moon?", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.628338432Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-14T04:26:00+0100", "id": "d1971b0d6a6415ca7abc93b3a0cb3bd1", "post_id": "post-220858", "text": "I vote for teh stack to be named the MSS H.G Wells or the MSS Samual ClemensEdit: That or the MSS Stephen Colbert. But for the Lose of signal system I'm naming it the Tesla Constellation.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.168070912Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-05-02T01:46:18+0100", "id": "8863e689dc5ee73f39142e75113fb668", "post_id": "post-219680", "text": "I was scared when I saw in the headlines that something went wrong with the Progress \"Kurs\" system... The same kind of scenario happened on Mir, but the cosmonaut had no velocity readings on the TORU. It ended with a collision, and the depressurization of a science module that could never be repaired (the leak was behind some electrical panel).Good thing that Kotov mastered the situation :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.677650176Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-11-04T16:06:00+0000", "id": "aa84638d4bc9d2f072a36079a4b46620", "post_id": "post-69135", "text": "GLS said:My code is still not active...\n\nYou just had to remove the comments from the lines in the Atlantis constructor to enable it.I just edit some lines in it, so it does use the existing SSME thrusters.PS: How do you want to set the thrust level?0.0 - 1.0or0 to 109% ?", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.657424384Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T21:37:32+0100", "id": "9d9d41be2b7d2b245c26f68a2e5c586e", "post_id": "post-220570", "text": "Bj said:Really? I would have thought with all the developing you do, you would have this insanely fast expensive computer. How old is old?\n\nDuron 2300+.... about 4 years old in general, only the graphics and GPU got replaced.I plan buying a new computer since 3 years, but the money is a bit tight currently.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.169274112Z", "author": "acesax23", "date": "2010-10-25T15:33:13+0100", "id": "d0544dd0e2956c2e1ada53ef63e3f3ff", "post_id": "post-219690", "text": "why November 15 !??", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.062925312Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-11-26T15:35:25+0000", "id": "e8649d578ee4aef4bf51a184c3c492bb", "post_id": "post-251268", "text": "What is PTC Roll?\n\nPassive Thermal Control. BBQ roll if you prefer.---------- Post added at 03:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:34 PM ----------Second burn started. :thumbup:1534 GMT (10:34 a.m. EST)T+plus 32 minutes, 40 seconds. Ignition! The Centaur's single RL10 engine has re-ignited to propel Mars Science Lab into its hyperbolic departure orbit.\n\n1536 GMT (10:36 a.m. EST)T+plus 34 minutes. The engine is burning well. This is a planned eight-minute firing by the Centaur's single Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne RL10 engine.\n\n1537 GMT (10:37 a.m. EST)T+plus 35 minutes. This burn is occurring 100 nautical miles above Africa.\n\n1538 GMT (10:38 a.m. EST)T+plus 36 minutes, 10 seconds. Continued good engine operation is being delivered by the RL10.\n\n1539 GMT (10:39 a.m. EST)T+plus 37 minutes. The vehicle skirting just south of Madagascar now.\n\n1539 GMT (10:39 a.m. EST)T+plus 37 minutes, 55 seconds. Vehicle's current acceleration is 0.95 g's.\n\n1540 GMT (10:40 a.m. EST)T+plus 38 minutes, 5 seconds. About two minutes are left in the burn to reach MSL's planned escape velocity\n\n1540 GMT (10:40 a.m. EST)T+plus 38 minutes, 45 seconds. Engine performance remains normal.\n\n1542 GMT (10:42 a.m. EST)T+plus 40 minutes, 30 seconds. MECO 2. Main engine cutoff confirmed. Centaur has completed its second burn of the day, this one to give the final boost to propel the Curiosity rover out of Earth orbit.\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.088146688Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-05-11T00:11:56+0100", "id": "24b1fb4a440aaf98b4dc0cf12dc51c1c", "post_id": "post-219575", "text": "Blacklight said:It's a shame that film is getting made less and less. Proper pinhole camera photography is eventually going to go away.\n\nNot so fast. Film is not the big consumer item it once was, but it's going strong among the art photography crowd and companies are even releasing new products. The Agfa brand name has been ressurected, new printing papers are being introduced. Even as Kodak filed for bankruptcy they announced that despite discontintuing lots of stuff, Tri-X film and chemicals are still making money. Go look athttp:\/\/freestylephoto.biz\/for an example of the cool new stuff coming out.Now the down side is that it's a lot harder to find someone to process your film and make prints since photo labs are closing. Drugstores still process C-41 film in their machines, though. If you're a serious film user you'll have to have a home dark room, which is nothing new.It's also a little harder to find new film cameras. Canon and Nikon still make student model 35mm SLRs, but the raft of fancy consumer gear we used to see is no more. Toy cameras like Holgas and Dianas are popular, and if you got money and want to go medium format, you can still buy a Leica M7 or a Hasselblad, and Fujifilm recently released two really nice new 120-film cameras. Large format film cameras are still selling and probably will as they have always been niche items. And Fujifilm makes Polaroid-style instant film in large format. In fact, the Impossible Project is a company run by former Polaroid employees who are recreating Polaroid film for sale to the art photo world.And if all else fails, you can build your own stuff and mix your own chemicals. That's how they did it in the 1850s.---------- Post added 05-10-12 at 07:11 PM ---------- Previous post was 05-09-12 at 11:47 PM ----------Right on time, a friend sent me this link today concerning the future of film:http:\/\/www.pdnonline.com\/features\/The-Future-of-Film-5631.shtml", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.082422784Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-08-07T19:58:46+0100", "id": "2d3e1aaf8fac725a3b51b8104a7d57d8", "post_id": "post-219536", "text": "FordPrefect said:Alright now.Check this out. That's veeeryyy cool (and sometimes almost eerie):http:\/\/sergey-larenkov.livejournal.com\/:thumbup:\n\nThis one is the most powerful:large:http:\/\/pics.livejournal.com\/sergey_larenkov\/pic\/000029eg", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.437414912Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-01T14:24:10+0100", "id": "da57734e2fc6ca89350bc3ade0af3240", "post_id": "post-252539", "text": "I set the background sky strenght to 0.1, the result is breathtaking ! I can see faintly the Milky Way, and now constellations are much much easier to recognize !:cool:", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.169399808Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-10-25T16:01:44+0100", "id": "5035cbc01536dd1f2d468c9bae3c28b4", "post_id": "post-219691", "text": "acesax23 said:why November 15 !??\n\nFrom Wikipedia:The Progress M-05M spacecraft will spend three weeks orbiting a safe distance from the space station to enable Russian engineers to conduct technology experiments before being deorbited November 15.\n\n---------- Post added at 17:01 ---------- Previous post was at 16:40 ----------Roscosmos:Progress M-05M Autonomous Mission:Today, on Oct. 25, cargo vehicle Progress M-05M undocked from the International Space Station Pirs module at 18:25 Moscow time.The autonomous mission will last about 3 weeks. Within these days, geophysical experiment is to be carried out, and then the Progress is to be deorbited and drowned in the South Pacific....\n\n", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.352187136Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-28T03:09:33+0100", "id": "8b8889e69761f0f779979711076f7ee9", "post_id": "post-219771", "text": "windows xp sp3 ,and run in windows mode,the screen will not flash.-----------------------------------------------------------------have another problem.in chinese windows xp , will have a garbled display.like this", "thread_id": 14040 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.520672256Z", "author": "River Crab", "date": "2010-09-02T17:08:46+0100", "id": "acc38b1188bcb1a2d026c2a2bad1ae1b", "post_id": "post-252774", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:Also, one of the guys is heading up a Venus trip, he's playing his cards close to his chest for now though. I do wonder what those guys are up to...\n\nLet's try not to leak too much...That project isREVIO, it's headed by Pyromaniac605. The structure is much different, we're trying to build off past experience with such projects (like OFMM) and thus some things will change. However, I still view it as a successor to OFMM.REVIO is sequenced into Phases, Pyro has done a great job of structuring in an insightful way...the current phase involves unmanned missions....Currently our group has...some members, if you include me that's...a few. Not that many. However, it won't be like OFMM's early stages as a social group, when (mostly useless) members flooded in as if it were a Facebook group. REVIO promises much greater reward.Since we're short of members, maybe you (yes, you) might consider helping us? Right now we're in need of someone capable of doing the number-crunching to see what's feasible. We will also need a hardcore researcher who knows where to find records of previous spaceflights.Maybe you're the talented youth we're looking for?:)(To join, you can post in theREVIO forum threadasking to join, make sure to tell us what you can do. Or, PM Pyromaniac605)", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664784384Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T22:36:46+0100", "id": "7dd225da96f4cfab660d569ca34c2785", "post_id": "post-220645", "text": "I agree with Pablo and Ashaman. Producing fuel en route will save space mass without cheating much (unchecking 'limited fuel').There is plenty of space available to have fuel production modules and keep the special Mars equipment.Anyone know of a good communications module for a stack? Artlav's right: we're sorely lacking in addons for this type of mission.And to think...this is only the first stage. Of course, the Arrow should be at least somewhat easier to plan out and send packing. Speaking of which, is it possible to Velcro a couple of boosters to the Arrow's hull for some extra thrust on Mars Ascent?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.48638592Z", "author": "Vanguard", "date": "2010-04-30T08:08:43+0100", "id": "b99672556bb9232c6514b24c9439fe81", "post_id": "post-219981", "text": "I agree as well. I don't think it's informal. Children just have a bigger imagination:)Spacecraft = boatSpaceship = shipStarship = Cruise liner", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.756475392Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-04-11T07:51:29+0100", "id": "0afe721f67680a880877128e64dc6be7", "post_id": "post-251357", "text": "This isREALscience! Just better hope this rover's descent system works correctly.As a side note, if first two rovers were designed for, what, 40 sols?? And are lasting many years.. Consider that this rover is designed for 2 years; and we'll probably get 10 or 15 years outs of it!I'd just love to see a manned mission with this type of endurance.. bwaahahahaaaaaa!! AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooopppppppppfffttthht!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6697024Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T22:17:02+0100", "id": "31f3919a7af88fa76d1a630ceda63d2b", "post_id": "post-220688", "text": "Urwumpe said:Apollos twin sister is Artemis, the moon goddess. Also Apollo is the god of colonization.But the real reason is explained here:http:\/\/history.nasa.gov\/SP-4205\/ch1-6.html\n\nI have been wondering about that fordecades!!I just had an idea for a name:PROMETHEUSPrometheus brought fire down to man from the heavens, just as we are bringing that very same fire, from the heavens down to mars. That fire being (in the literal sense) the fire of the rockets (and in the figurative sense) the fire of knowledge. Conversely, the mission could represent prometheus' ascent INTO the heavens to acquire that knowledge. In acknowledgment of this fact, the mission patch could contain a flame.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5512832Z", "author": "Tacolev", "date": "2011-09-21T19:49:38+0100", "id": "8b89ac22d2e70522b16a64d1bd3f81ce", "post_id": "post-220265", "text": "I'm still a fan of the \"Plane so big it's still in ground effect at cruising altitude\" first stage.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.785484288Z", "author": "fraxudemspas", "date": "2012-08-05T14:37:52+0100", "id": "085f3e789a09ffa58065ac29bade9d7f", "post_id": "post-251471", "text": "Mikeol1987 said:Hello all, hope we're all getting ready for the landing! I've already got my eyes on the solar system simulation running so I can keep track of where we're at, I have to stay up late tonight as I'mGMTBut I'm making it into a little event, hoping to photograph the mars 'triangle' later tonight too.-Main concern for landing-Parachute Failure within its first stage\n\nStaying up late? More like not sleeping, the landing is 7:31 CEST (5:31 UTC). I'm hoping to catch the whole coverage, so stocking up on coffee as we speak.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57287808Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2013-11-28T19:53:47+0000", "id": "9ab70aa2513b1cc2c5bb2542f5756b98", "post_id": "post-220489", "text": "Loru said:@RGClark.Yes. I use John Schilling's calculator as base for my rockets but I noticed that results vary from those in orbiter. I'm not sure what ascent profile is used in calculator but for example Themis-A and HCLV have less payload capacity than in calculator (both are throttling down to avoid more than 4G forces on payload).So it's nice prototyping tool but not magic ball to answer all your questions.BTW Have you ever tried putting numbers in for example Velcro add-on and testing propsed ideas?? It's not that hard TBH. There are already some Falcon meshes so you can test it yourself. Velcro already have 2 ISP values (for vacuum and sea level).Yes. SSTO is possible but if it was economically vialble it would be around for some time already.\n\nYes. I will, finally, give Velcro a try.About the Schilling calculator, I haven't done this with all known liquid fueled rockets, but for the ones I looked at the Schilling calculator was within about 10% of the listed payload value. I noticed though it was much less accurate when I applied it to the Ares I or Ares V or SLS, perhaps because they use large solids with highly variable thrust values. I also haven't tried it for the case of rockets using small strap-on solids.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.816317952Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T16:21:18+0100", "id": "d91e5be94fec22b03763f6f10e435d3e", "post_id": "post-219348", "text": "No.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.985587968Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-14T22:25:38+0100", "id": "3be03057250f4429f5e4e47abffdbe56", "post_id": "post-251816", "text": "CBS News Space:Curiosity's software successfully updated; mobility tests on tapSPACE.com:Mars Rover Curiosity Survives 'Brain Surgery,' Set for 1st DriveDiscovery News:Curiosity Ready to Drive After 'Brain Surgery'The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity's Marsdial is on Mars!Four Mastcam images of the calibration target -- the Marsdial -- were taken on Curiosity's sol 3 (August 9, 2012) over a period of about 8 minutes. In that time, the shadow of the gnomon moved slightly, marking time on Mars with a sundial.NASA \/ JPL \/ MSSS \/ Gordan Ugarkovic\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.585803776Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-13T23:13:06+0100", "id": "bf1754756d30159d75e9d73a8828a52a", "post_id": "post-220238", "text": "RGClark: If real engineering would be really that easy, my coworkers and me would be out of work, since just a single beard with a whiteboard is enough. Luckily, the real world is so complex, that we can't just stop employing new specialists here, despite us only doing CAx services for many more engineers at the actual projects - good work is always rewarded with more work, and real engineering is a lot of work.Your first order estimates here already fail to correlate with any experience values, so don't you think you should better calm down a bit, take a deep breath and then calculate really conservatively?If you think that it is below your dignity to do proper CAE on your first-order estimates to prove that you are right despite the conservative first-order estimates being far away from your claims: There are always people like my company to do the dirty numerical work for you and let you concentrate on the decision-making. But be aware: Specialists cost money, because while we like our job, we like our job to be profitable.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.8331072Z", "author": "Goth", "date": "2010-04-26T19:34:41+0100", "id": "7da65beae8bb4184a31a3c4f7ae4815b", "post_id": "post-219438", "text": "A better VC for the Shuttle-A.", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.039853824Z", "author": "Donamy", "date": "2014-02-11T05:16:56+0000", "id": "cac84cb01bff92ce4b2caf2b0851d000", "post_id": "post-252163", "text": "Could it have happened on landing ?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.628853504Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-14T19:12:33+0100", "id": "e69e47a59d434667e900d045eacb0e66", "post_id": "post-220863", "text": "The loads for aerobraking are, at most, lower than the loads by propulsion.There are no different types of loads by situation, only static and dynamic loads.The acceleration is a useless value on calculating loads. What counts is the pure raw force and the torques, that are resulting from it.The CBMs of the ISS use 16 bolts with 19,600 pounds pre-load force each, once completely connected. A rock solid connection. I don't find much more data on how much punishment they really take, but it seems you can generally say, that your spacecraft module will break before the bolts of the CBM.And sorry, I find the cargo cult science in the thread a bit annoying. I might be a bit sarcastic right now, but let me put an conservative estimate: 99% of the posts in the thread are done by people, who couldn't even land on the moon, but who think that writing more posts and wild assumptions here is better than listening to the questions, suggestions and objections of those, who have the flight experience.Hell, I can't really understand why we suddenly got the MSS, and I am completely lost why we have many posts already discussing the name for it. Instead of serious calculations, people need to discuss the most basic form of the rocket equation, without any of the really needed extensions to it. What goes on here? If the thread is about pushing the ISS into Mars orbit, we can be done in 25 seconds, write the scenario and be done with it. Sorry, I feel the focus of landing on Mars is completely lost to making screen shots and naming contests of a spacecraft, of which we still don't know, what we expect of it. I can't believe that a week had to pass, without any progress towards Mars, but with a lot of red tape being handed around. I can already see NASA landing on Mars before we have decided if we should paint the floor grass-green or mars-red. That is *garble*, absolutely *garble*.Especially, even considering to your advantage that most people here have no university education on manned space mission design, I still feel that we have one day of discussion for just 5 minutes of using a pocket calculator. I would prefer the other way around. See that people really put effort into comparing alternatives or calculating how the flight manifest could work out for a while, before they go posting their findings for bringing the discussion forward.I am getting a bit frustrated here, and if people really decide to name even the toilet paper dispenser Colbert, I'll openly revolt. Colbert is a perfect name for the current state of the project. The hero of the under-performers, for a under-performing project.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.613766656Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-07T02:27:26+0100", "id": "1d56926dee4dfbc07ba4c11d00136664", "post_id": "post-220729", "text": "Couldn't the buildings just be textured so they look covered in a couple layers of dirt?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.044802816Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2017-03-22T09:17:12+0000", "id": "60482d8166085a27d3323e863ab06a74", "post_id": "post-252202", "text": "Maybe a chance for some space-crazed entrepreneur to fly to Mars and swap tires...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.649375744Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-06-10T08:24:38+0100", "id": "181efafdfabf34053705505dd4c817dd", "post_id": "post-221024", "text": "Shadow Addict said:Is the wiki article an accurate summary the topic so far? I'd like to get in on this but 34 pages is a little hard to read, especially if there's an alternative.\n\nYes, to my knowledge the wikki is a fairly accurate summary. It gets updated frequently.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62572544Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-12T05:54:15+0100", "id": "4424357c05075dc0fa68a12b2954d90a", "post_id": "post-220833", "text": "Izack said:Could this be where multiple smaller transfer vehicles become useful? :hmm:\n\nHow so?Pablo49 said:I was thinking about the UCGO satellites earlier.\n\nI'm thinking those satellites that came with DGIV (I think) would work good too. Ill add it to the list:cheers:Arrowstar said:Well, it's really not a fuel wasting issue, though I suppose that can be part of it. The more fuel you require to stop at Mars, the less payload you can bring because your payload mass has partially been replaced with fuel mass. Aerobraking has the benefit of allowing more payload mass, so long as the heat shield isn't larger than the fuel required to stop, as well.:)\n\nYes think of it this way, if we have 98,900kg absolute maximum, with only a single tank load, that is much less than a single payload from the Ares V. So what is that, like 4 modules space shuttle sized?Note: after a quick check, if we load a AresV full of fuel (160,000kg) onto the MSS, we can jump our payload up to 484,474kg.Which makes me think, how long of a burn would it take for so much fuel?Reversing Specific impulse equation:[math]1500000\/9.18 = 1797.38 * \\frac{42000+160000}{\\bigtriangleup t} [\/math][math] ~90.91 = \\frac{202000}{\\bigtriangleup t} [\/math]which turns to ~2221.98 seconds or 37.03 minutes. Ouch:blackeye:... but still doable.Well anyway more planning tomorrow.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.766631936Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-31T21:22:47+0100", "id": "a0577fdbf8abaff861482e040a7164a6", "post_id": "post-251436", "text": "NASA News Release:RELEASE : 12-257Daring NASA Mars Mission Broadcast Lands In Times SquareJuly 31, 2012WASHINGTON -- The Toshiba Vision screen in New York City's Times Square will become the largest East Coast location for the public to see live mission coverage of Curiosity, NASA's most advanced planetary rover, as it lands on the Martian surface at 1:31 a.m. EDT August 6.The Toshiba Vision screen will broadcast NASA TV coverage beginning at 11:30 p.m. EDT August 5 and continuing through 4 a.m. EDT the next day. Programming will originate from Mission Control at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory's (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. The rover is on a precise course for a landing beside a Martian mountain to begin 2 years of unprecedented scientific detective work.\"In the city that never sleeps, the historic Times Square will be the place for New Yorkers to participate in this historic landing,\" said John Grunsfeld, associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate. \"When you think of all the big news events in history, you think of Times Square, and I can think of no better venue to celebrate this news-making event on Mars.\"Getting Curiosity to the surface of Mars will not be easy. During a critical period lasting only about 7 minutes, the MSL spacecraft carrying Curiosity must slow down from about 13,200 mph (about 5,900 meters per second) to allow the rover to land on the surface at about 1.7 mph (three-fourths of a meter per second). For the landing to succeed, hundreds of events will need to go right, many with split-second timing. All are controlled autonomously by the spacecraft.Prominently positioned below the world-famous New Year's Eve ball in Times Square, the Toshiba Vision dual LED screens will allow viewers to see the action from Mission Control, including receipt of the first signal from Mars following a successful landing. \"We're pleased the Toshiba Vision screens will offer a unique view of this great scientific achievement, the landing of the rover Curiosity on Mars,\" says Eddie Temistokle, senior manager of corporate communications and corporate social responsibility for Toshiba America Inc.Visitors to Times Square can hear the audio portion of NASA's coverage along with other listeners around the world by tuning in to the online radio station Third Rock Radio. This is the first time Third Rock Radio will provide live coverage of a NASA event. Third Rock Radio can be streamed from the NASA homepage at and on smart phones and tablets through the Tuneln mobile app.In the first several weeks after landing, JPL mission controllers will put the rover through a series of checkouts and activities to characterize its performance on Mars while gradually ramping up scientific investigations. Curiosity then will begin investigating whether an area with a wet history inside Mars' Gale Crater ever has offered an environment favorable for microbial life.{...}SPACE.com:NASA to Broadcast Mars Rover Landing From NYC's Times Square Sunday NightDiscovery News:Mars Rover Curiosity Makes it to Times SquareUniverse Today:What Will Curiosity\u2019s \u201cView\u201d Be as it Approaches the Red Planet?Join Universe Today\u2019s Live Webcast of the Curiosity Rover Landing", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664653056Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-04T22:08:17+0100", "id": "18bf86827a6a12e6f38f9741a4420f9a", "post_id": "post-220644", "text": "I think we should go the miner route, where we produce fuel cargo.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.82222336Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-28T20:55:25+0100", "id": "b4c60036886fd080d96873f6df8e648f", "post_id": "post-219409", "text": "I for one welcome our new redhead, Catholic skeptic gun-toting pathologist black lace lingerie-wearing overladies.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.989692928Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-08-22T03:43:46+0100", "id": "f5d14b21c8343aa33bdc35826753a6d5", "post_id": "post-251851", "text": "Screamer7 said:Now that is very interesting.Is that data what they expected?\n\nI believe also Spirit and Opportunity showed above freezing daytime surface temperatures and above triple point (6.1 millibars) pressure readings.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.14169344Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-04-30T00:14:55+0100", "id": "e0f408d0093eabea0bf55cf3d90ae66f", "post_id": "post-219639", "text": "Version 4.3 doesn't have them. The RNDZ checklists I can use...they are a bit complicated but I will eventually get them. I hope. In the mean time could someone tell them to me in everday english:)Also I don't believe their is enough info in the setup notes to do one of the menouvers. (pardon my spelling) I guess what I really need is how much do I burn my engines for to preform the menouver. I understand what to do for the pitch rate but what do I need to do for the burn. Thank You", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.089855232Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2013-12-17T02:34:03+0000", "id": "64cae077be84181bd011550de2e1da5f", "post_id": "post-219587", "text": "What exactly is this effect, other than the underexposure?", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.993062912Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-23T14:17:59+0100", "id": "c03016c33fc6b34bb4e349d8521fd32e", "post_id": "post-251880", "text": "Keatah said:The sensor's responsiveness to different windspeeds would be less if there was a grating or screen over it. So it should have been protected until ready for use. OR, a less sophisticated but inherently more durable sensor could have been utilized. But then progress stagnates.\n\nJettisoning the shielding after a few million kilometers of travel (and not earlier or never) takes a lot of equipment that has to work and that costs mass.Also the system of two pitot tubes at a spot where undisturbed wind can reach them is hardly sophisticated (No moving parts, that might fail because of dust and loss of lubrication).", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555730688Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2012-01-03T11:19:04+0000", "id": "f6cddaeb674fa4a1ac44ec89ccd7915c", "post_id": "post-220314", "text": "RGClark said:The importance of their accomplishment is that they showed space costs do not have to be as expensive as commonly believed. One of the key cuts in overhead as Elon has admitted was by keeping labor costs low.Elon also believes he can cut the costs to space to the $100 to $200 per kg range by reusability. Based on his track record I'd say it's a good bet he's probably right.Bob Clark\n\nThat may be, but it has little to nothing to do with engineering challenges behind building a SSTO \"as God and Robert Heinlein intended\".", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.596602112Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-05-04T05:05:22+0100", "id": "f7460bbd182bcbfcdef2d7924fa5a0cb", "post_id": "post-220511", "text": "Actually what jump started A8 was fear of a soviet manned lunar flyby attempt. But that is besides the point.You don't fly peacetime missions in high threat environments. And dont say they \"Didn't know\" The SA-2 development could not have been hidden from us that well.", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.416905984Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2010-10-11T23:50:22+0100", "id": "60b3b3f9bcefabbb27e2302c12c6b31e", "post_id": "post-252475", "text": "Love the idea (you may have guessed as much from my nickname...), will check out the code and see what can be done navigation-wise (in other words right now in SolarSailEx I'm up a creek w\/o a paddle)EDIT: looking up the code will take a bit more than I expected - no Shockwave at the PC I'm using now:(EDIT #2: Whatever the PMIs are, paddles have to be continuously controlled to achieve desired torque (to end the roll and then to maintain a given attitude). By the way, my attempt to steer it from the Lua console ended in a CTD... pretty sure I got the arguments wrong.", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.64480768Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-06-04T05:11:34+0100", "id": "b23114dcff9ed16f7cd66ad457f751f1", "post_id": "post-220987", "text": "Izack said:I have a small question.Can the mission-specific UCGO boxes be weathered a bit with Martian red soil? They look too shiny and generic right now...Pretty simple; just a layer of red rusty stuff over the reflective bit (in ear grating layman's terms:p)\n\nWhy not, just a texture change, but what if the box is used before even stepping foot on Mars? :tiphat:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611725568Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-06T07:41:54+0100", "id": "eca8f2f1ed9c79f0db1f0f73a0f2c23b", "post_id": "post-220710", "text": "Ok, Im willing to bend on the date, but here is my reasoning (as stated before). I honestly do not believe that a manned mission to mars will HAPPEN in the next 50-75 years. We have not even been able to get back to the moon in the last 35 years and that is, what, 1\/100,000th of the distance to mars! I do believe that it will happen eventually, but I am not overly optimistic that it will even happen in my lifetime (and frankly 41 ain't that old anymore).As far as scenario is concerned, I've been practicing at that time period and have had no problems. I simply launch a scenario, open scenario editor, add whatever vessels I want and just before I save the scenario I set the date; I don't attempt to warp that sort of timespan. I think the issue is when you have scenarios that try to last more than x span of time. I could be wrong though.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.674798592Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-07-31T13:18:10+0100", "id": "2bcc53c722d857175ceac0d5a223732b", "post_id": "post-69107", "text": "GLS: In the constructor, this function would not have any effect. I can include you a function to define the creation parameters for the SSMEs, but they will not exist in the constructor.DaveS said:Speaking of venting how about adding something like this:\n\nWow, this is really impressive!!!How do they vent the stuff, I would have expected a large cloud by it, but the brightness is more than I expected, is it combusted partially? And I thought the vent valves are at the top of the ET, but this looks like they are at the intertank.And do I see a small trail of hydrogen in the video? The oxygen is easy to notice as it is sky blue, but there is also a transparent flow.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.785329152Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-04-28T22:47:36+0100", "id": "61a2b8ea5eefb4468dd9d3883f91c2b1", "post_id": "post-219325", "text": "if you're just talking about lining yourself up, like Urwmpe says orbit and map are hard to beat for me.If you're having trouble lining up with the mark, just make sure your orbit intersect the base on the map, with DN or AN burns.south of equator DN burns flatten orbit towards equator, north of equator DN burns make it more perpendicular to equator.AN burns do the opposite. think of equator like a fulcrum for your orbit!I don't know how much you played yet but the \"orbit mfd\" is all powerful! in fact i never even learned how to trans x. just make sure you push the PRJ (projection) button so its reference is the ship, then you will see the true situation of your personal orbit for landing and intersecting with the surface.I also switch to the \"surface\" mfd when landing or in atmosphere it has tons of useful information, probably most important is the vertical acceleration, IMO", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.628240896Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-14T04:04:19+0100", "id": "04d2dc4c05a8609379372317b94cf404", "post_id": "post-220857", "text": "Bj said:I guess 5\/ms is tolerable perhaps though not (realistically) with the solar panels extended like that, maybe if they where brought in more for burns?\n\nWe could bring in the solar panels, undock them, and have them running parallel with the main stack.Bj said:Pablo, as MSS designer, that includes the order at which these modules are launched and how they are built. It looks like being single file, these modules can be placed in their final position immediately.\n\nI have them in a row for that very reason, easier to form the stack and then switch into orbital configuration. Question: Will this be built in stack formation in LEO right away, or as a station and then switched before flying as the stack? Perhaps even a hybrid could be done, I suppose. Or is that my decision to make? Also, do I need to give you the stage configuration too? (Minus the engines for now, since I don't know how many we are using and how many droptanks etc.)Edit: Yeah, the stack needs an epic name. Like, Pablo, perhaps. :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.985293824Z", "author": "Topper", "date": "2012-08-14T18:15:58+0100", "id": "16223e1fe96d5f28645b8bbba0ec6c46", "post_id": "post-251814", "text": "Obamas call at NASA---------- Post added 14-08-12 at 19:15 ---------- Previous post was 13-08-12 at 22:55 ----------And Curiosity from upsite position (in Exaggerated Color)...Whats the little black spot in the right of the rove (on the very little hill)?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.556641024Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-04T17:08:49+0000", "id": "0eccd95d8fbb6954ed84abbf86b5a3d2", "post_id": "post-220324", "text": "RGClark, I don't believe anyone in this thread is saying that SSTO is a physical impossibility: it is not. It is probably physically possible (as an expendable) with existing technology, too. That isn't the issue.The issue is the economics. Just because something is physically possible doesn't mean it is economically worth doing. Yes, if you use lightweight tankage and high performance engines, you can get an SSTO... it could work and fly to orbit, but thatisn't the issue.The issue is that SSTO is at a physical disadvantage. To reduce costs, youdon't wantthe bleeding edge. You don't want things like high performance engines.In your quest to prove that SSTO is not magically impossible, you totally and entirely gloss over the economic aspect. The issue isn't whether you can build an SSTO or not, but rather: if your SSTO costs twice as much as a TSTO design, why bother with the SSTO at all?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.638031872Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-20T02:38:04+0100", "id": "d0d45aa11f73177ca233397ae44af306", "post_id": "post-220927", "text": "I'd hardly say that fits...I assume the fairing will be removed entirely? The NERVA is a good shape for the top of the rocket anyway.I'm hesitant to use Energia if it can be helped. It's an excellent launcher, but I don't think it will carry the NERVA well.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.986568704Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-08-16T03:26:46+0100", "id": "0d87223769f4b83226098acfd5706a47", "post_id": "post-251825", "text": "Curiosity Surveys a Martian 'Mojave Desert': Big Pic.Aug. 8, 2012 --http:\/\/news.discovery.com\/space\/big-pic-mars-curiosity-mojave-desert-120808.htmlThe panoramic image, attached below, shows what appears to be \"haze\" at the base of the mountains in the distance in Gale crater. This was predicted prior to landing:Pink skies, water ice haze in forecast for Curiosity landing.12:56 PM, Aug 5, 2012\"PASADENA, CALIF. \u2014 Expect pink skies with a chance of a water ice haze over Gale Crater Monday when NASA\u2019s Mars Science Laboratory and Curiosity rover arrive at the red planet.\"Seasonal winter temperatures are expected to be a balmy 10 degrees Fahrenheit when Curiosity touches down at 3 p.m. local Mars time.\"http:\/\/www.floridatoday.com\/article...ies-water-ice-haze-forecast-Curiosity-landingIt is important to realize that clouds, fogs and hazes can have some proportion of liquid water even well below freezing temperature. This is well known to happen when salts are dissolved in the water through freezing point depression. But it can also happen with pure water through supercooling:Supercooling.[ame]http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Supercooled[\/ame]The temperature at which supercooled liquid water can occur can even be below -40C, which coincidentally is also -40F:Supercool Water.Posted: 11\/28\/11\"Liquid water as cold as minus 40 F has been found in clouds. Scientists have done experiments showing liquid water can exist at least down to minus 42 F.\"http:\/\/www.astrobio.net\/pressrelease\/4363\/supercool-waterBob Clark", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.58641408Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-15T17:31:56+0100", "id": "7376a9645efb7a516f2572da8dd044a1", "post_id": "post-220247", "text": "The actual tank structure mass has always been very low on rockets, compared to the thrust structure holding the engines. About 70% of a rockets dry mass is engines and thrust structure.Also, as tiny question to your ability to differ between press release and reality: The press release is from 2006, today is 2011. Five glorious or not so glorious years have passed. Notice something?http:\/\/www.scorpius.com\/about.htmNot only is the company that is customer of Microcosm actually a spin-off of Microcosm, since 2006, nothing there happened at all.Also: They talk always aboutoverwrappedtanks in context of cryogenic fuel tanks. Those aren't really a new thing, even the Shuttle already contained overwrapped tanks. Overwrapped tanks are already standard technology, having a full-composite wrap structure isn't: Those aren't really popular, because of their rapid aging in a dynamic environment.(overwrapped tanks are thin metal shells supported by a composite structure - no direct contact of the fuel with the composite, but making large tanks with that technology is extremely hard to impossible)What is really interesting:http:\/\/www.scorpius.com\/Documents\/First gauntlet thrown 2 _2_ _1_.pdfHelium (gas) tanks without inner liner. This means a very high standard of quality assurance, since it is generally pretty hard to make gas-tight composites. But no cryotank. Also nothing of a large scale. And also nothing that is designed to deal with dynamic loads.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65652352Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-06-22T06:09:27+0100", "id": "dcbb01de128b40d81d3efb7a56b95f77", "post_id": "post-221094", "text": "Bj said:Life support more or less would be integrated, however we aren't going to attempt to simulate everything that could happen in a mission like this, it would take years to code it all, and quite a bit of time training.\n\nSpace travelling or living in alien planets is more about managing your resources than just navigating for fun. Whatever you do will be determined by resource management.If it was for fun, humanity would have been already living on the moon.I understand you may not want to include this, for it is a headache. But I can tell you life support is the core of our own existence here on Earth and in space it is no different.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.317870592Z", "author": "Bud", "date": "2008-11-17T23:29:52+0000", "id": "a95b4dd3aa230a9674c6e7deacfcb14f", "post_id": "post-12909", "text": "Just like to add a link to my Earth to Mars tutorial using TransX. It says its for an old version of Orbiter but is still usable with the newest edition.[ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2091\"]Interplanetery Flight Tutorial[\/ame]Its proved popular over the years so perhaps i'll do a 2nd edition!Andy", "thread_id": 163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.644342528Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-01T20:15:20+0100", "id": "c4529fbd8247bf14fd8c40a8820b9981", "post_id": "post-220982", "text": "Pablo49 said:I did basically finish the greenhouses a few days. After a few tweaks and more final textures I'll up a shot of them. Basically the same area as Urwumpe's original design. Though they are circular.\n\nPractically no problem for me.would just be important that we can install lights there, since even bright day on Mars is a pretty dim thing.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664864512Z", "author": "Dambuster", "date": "2010-05-04T22:41:10+0100", "id": "136c806bcc76124db4d6e06315ac9595", "post_id": "post-220646", "text": "ISV Venture Star, anyone?:p", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.415600128Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2010-08-31T17:35:05+0100", "id": "a7ce7534e13ffacd9fabce00cfc0d40a", "post_id": "post-252464", "text": "Hi Izack,blimey! You're pretty quick off the mark :-D Thanks for checking it out anyway.Do you mean you get a CTD when you open the scenario? (since it starts in cockpit view). It could be the extra HUD stuff.Does Orbiter render the cockpit view before the CTD?Anyone else get the same problem?Thanks,Brian", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.331497728Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2008-05-11T04:00:03+0100", "id": "c087aeb87910028a0a55e7ac787eebc5", "post_id": "post-65187", "text": "Another XR-1 skin based on Formula 1. This one was in response to a request on orbiter-forum.com.[ame=http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3360]More...[\/ame]", "thread_id": 1404 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.170160896Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-10-30T08:43:08+0100", "id": "ba2c2d17610e50b1ff7a8cd7a75244bb", "post_id": "post-219698", "text": "orb said:Maybe it's a part of equipment for its current geophysical experiment. :shrug:\n\nFinally, I've got an answer. The object is a camera, it's neither used for the spacecraft navigation, nor it is a part of an information loop cosmonauts could use. Its exact purpose is unknown and it was installed on Progress s\/n #404 and #405 to perform some dury in course of\u041e\u0442\u0440\u0430\u0436\u0435\u043d\u0438\u0435(Reflection) experiment in a free flight after undocking from the station - which is currently under way.It sounds like a MoD thing.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.45360512Z", "author": "River Crab", "date": "2010-09-01T03:36:43+0100", "id": "3682061786df8a407501727aa84c4fa2", "post_id": "post-252586", "text": ":welcome:Welcome aboard!By all means, don't touch that stuff, I don't know how long it's been there. Longer than me. :tiphat:", "thread_id": 16309 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.4468032Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-04-29T20:24:08+0100", "id": "8e454e5d5479ec3beb1e03d149dd6796", "post_id": "post-219869", "text": "Kinda neat! While reading the article I started thinking about the possibility of creating an artificial magnetic field. Could that be done without causing harm to inhabitants living under it?Also kinda funny that the article calls it a magnetosphere when it is not by description a sphere. :lol:", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.580782592Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-07-06T01:50:52+0100", "id": "25ee5c50c245e260cc5bbaea050c6865", "post_id": "post-220182", "text": "I am skeptical of the diminutiveness of the 'SSTO window', over deep time...Let's go back to the ET figures for a bit here;Let's imagine that we have one SSME, and threeRS-68Aengines. This should provide enough thrust at liftoff to adequately lift the vehicle.Assuming an engine mass of 6600 kilograms for the RS-68 engines, this is a total mass of 19 800 kg for the RS-68 engines, and a total mass of 3177 kilograms for the SSME. We will suggest that 50% of the engine mounting structure is jettisoned with the RS-68 engine cluster, and 50% remains fixed to the vehicle. We will not consider staging systems or disconnectable fluid transfer systems, as the original mass of the ET already includes these (for the Orbiter Vehicle).This leads to a dry mass of 53 077 kilograms.We will break launch into three phases:1. 2000 m\/s of dV, all engines, sea-level ISP figures.2. 1000 m\/s of dV, all engines, vacuum ISP figures.3. 7000 m\/s of dV, SSME only, vacuum ISP figures.With these figures, it seems like the vehicle could make it to orbit using under 345 tons of its propellant only. It must be noted, however, that for phases 1 and 2 the exhaust velocity was based on the individual exhaust velocity of all engines, averaged together, and did not take into account any relationship with mass flow. Any wisdom regarding calculating the effective average exhaust velocity of different engines operating together would be much appreciated.For 20 tons, the vehicle would use around 570 tons of its propellant to get to orbit.For a payload of 30 tons, under 650 tons of the propellant would be used to get to orbit; 30 250 kilograms or so seems to be the total limit.With a 10 ton fairing, a 3 ton payload interface and a 23 ton payload, it seems as if the vehicle could reach orbit using only around 595 tons of its propellant. The upper limit for payload at these figures is presumably slightly higher than 23 tons.Assuming that the RS-68 engines each have a cost of $15 million, the SSME has a cost of $50 million, the rest of the hardware has the same cost of $60 million, and the additional hardware (fairings, etc) add $10 million, then the vehicle would have a cost to LEO of under $7200\/kg, based onhardware cost aloneand not including other factors. While this is not magic-$100-low, and isn't even exceptionally-realistic low, it is perhaps approaching modern US launchers, and is at least on a par with the lowest cost estimates of STS.As for acceleration, with the RS-68 engines still attached and working off lowest throttle settings at vacuum thrust, the vehicle will reach 4G when it masses in total around 190 tons. The minimum acceleration that the vehicle would experience just before MECO, would be just under 2 G at minimum thrust from the SSME; at maximum thrust, it would be under 3G.Obviously you would want to dump the engine package as soon as it is not needed. Of course, this is just one arrangement, you could maybe have two engines staying with the vehicle, for example.Another option might be to change the type of engine- using the RS-68B as a compromise between the RS-68 and the SSME, still costing far less than the SSME.This is all just hot air, of course; a far better experiment would be to try this concept out in Orbiter.It is important to note that engines account for roughly 30% of of the dry mass of the vehicle at launch, minus payload, and would comprise an even larger amount of the mass of the vehicle with optimised propellant tanks.Parachuting, recovering, shipping, refurbishing, and stacking an engine module could be easier and cheaper than doing the same with a flimsy propellant tank. The only thing that worries my simplistic mind is corrosion from salt water, and there is probably a way around that as well.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.528261888Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2010-09-02T09:27:02+0100", "id": "e7b83ff23ddb880ab3301656c82c5690", "post_id": "post-252790", "text": "Author:hal9001Another little Add-On.I bettered the Azure Rover and I packed it into a cargo. (packing cargos seems to be my new hobby)You will need the Ummu and UCGO.It works at Orbiter 2010, too, I don't now what's about 2010p1.For the Scenario (included since last Update) you need the DGIV, tooDOWNLOAD", "thread_id": 16328 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560353024Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-02-10T15:16:54+0000", "id": "a1aaa9d6511936f468216853865fee49", "post_id": "post-220369", "text": "based on the experience with the engines on the DC-X\n\nIt should be noted though that the engines on the DC-X were different engines. The engine cycle for example was different- the more thermally benign expander cycle, rather than gas generator cycle.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.643423744Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-26T10:29:41+0100", "id": "047e447da64d5bfabeb98408fb840568", "post_id": "post-220972", "text": "Izack said:I must have missed the memo. :uhh:I suppose 'superhero' is an exaggeration. I was thinking of a hab only as an ISS-type white cylinder, with a heat shield and engines bolted on (or something; who knows?). If it has all of these things integrated, is it not more of a self-contained vessel than a module?\n\nI would say that we have still not selected a hab design, I just made a proposal for one, that would be closer to the \"pseudo-realistic\" mission desires stated often in the thread. Please feel explicitly encouraged to make your own thoughts about a design and submit them, the more different mission designs, the better.In this proposal, it is pretty much a strengthened ISS module without any engines at all, but with integrated ECLSS, communications and GNC. It wouldn't even have RCS of its own, this would all come from an integrated space-tug\/propulsion module, the \"Skycrane\", which does the transport of the module from Space to Mars surface. This way, we can't contaminate the landing site with RCS residuals.---------- Post added at 11:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:29 AM ----------A point which I think requires some redesign: The cargo boxes in the Wiki are currently showing many elements, including rare noble gases or rare metals, which we will hardly find on Mars in large numbers. Maybe we should abstract rarer cargos into categories which group many of them. At the same time, we have no cargo boxes reserved for any useful tools or consumables, alloys or molecules. For example, we could use spare CO2 filter beds for regular maintenance. We could need tins with selected minerals for preparing green houses. We have not a single box with medical supplies in the list.we would need such stuff more than a detailed chemistry.If somebody had too much geology lectures in his life, he could think about how to get Mars geology into such a fun program.Getting a lab into a hab VC that looks almost like CSI:Mars is no big deal, realism should be our least concern there, fun to play and story telling would be a better focus.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.726011136Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-11-09T23:33:32+0000", "id": "6be8f33a6a4c7195063a44b4d45dfb8c", "post_id": "post-251130", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Sensor on Mars Rover to Measure Radiation EnvironmentNovember 09, 2010About eight months before the NASA rover Curiosity touches down on Mars in August 2012, the mission's science measurements will begin much closer to Earth.The Mars Science Laboratory mission's Radiation Assessment Detector, or RAD, will monitor naturally occurring radiation that can be unhealthful if absorbed by living organisms. It will do so on the surface of Mars, where there has never before been such an instrument, as well as during the trip between Mars and Earth.Radiation Assessment Detector for Mars Science Laboratory\u200bRAD's measurements on Mars will help fulfill the mission's key goals of assessing whether Curiosity's landing region on Mars has had conditions favorable for life and for preserving evidence about life. This instrument also will do an additional job. Unlike any of the nine others in this robotic mission's science payload, RAD has a special task and funding from the part of NASA that is planning human exploration beyond Earth orbit. It will aid design of human missions by reducing uncertainty about how much shielding from radiation future astronauts will need. The measurements between Earth and Mars, as well as the measurements on Mars, will serve that purpose.\"No one has fully characterized the radiation environment on the surface of another planet. If we want to send humans there, we need to do that,\" said RAD Principal Investigator Don Hassler of the Boulder, Colo., branch of the Southwest Research Institute.Whether the first destination for human exploration beyond the moon is an asteroid or Mars, the travelers will need protection from the radiation environment in interplanetary space. Hassler said, \"The measurements we get during the cruise from Earth to Mars will help map the distribution of radiation throughout the solar system and be useful in mission design for wherever we send astronauts.\"RAD will monitor high-energy atomic and subatomic particles coming from the sun, from distant supernovas and from other sources. These particles constitute the radiation that could be harmful to any microbes near the surface of Mars or to astronauts on a Mars mission. Galactic cosmic rays, coming from supernova explosions and other events extremely far from our own solar system, are a variable shower of charged particles. In addition, the sun itself spews electrons, protons and heavier ions in \"solar particle events\" fed by solar flares and ejections of matter from the sun's corona. Astronauts might need to move into havens with extra shielding on an interplanetary spacecraft or on Mars during solar particle events.Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere provide effective shielding for our home planet against the possible deadly effects of galactic cosmic rays and solar particle events. Mars, though, lacks a global magnetic field and has only about one percent as much atmosphere as Earth. Just to find high-enough radiation levels on Earth for checking and calibrating RAD, the instrument team needed to put it inside major particle-accelerator research facilities in the United States, Europe, Japan and South Africa.An instrument on NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter, which reached Mars in 2001, assessed radiation levels above the Martian atmosphere. Current estimates of the radiation environment at the planet's surface rely on modeling of how the thin atmosphere affects the energetic particles, but uncertainty in the modeling remains large. \"A single energetic particle hitting the top of the atmosphere can break up into many particles -- a cascade of lower-energy particles that might be more damaging to life than a single high-energy particle,\" Hassler noted.The 1.7-kilogram (3.8-pound) RAD instrument has an upward-pointing, wide-angle telescope with detectors for charged particles with masses up to that of iron. It can also detect secondary neutrons coming from both the Mars atmosphere above and Mars surface material below. Hassler's international RAD team includes experts in instrument design, astronaut safety, atmospheric science, geology and other fields.Southwest Research Institute, in Boulder and in San Antonio, Texas, and Christian Albrechts University, in Kiel, Germany, built RAD with funding from the NASA Exploration Systems Mission Directorate and Germany's national aerospace research center: Deutschen Zentrum f\u00fcr Luft- und Raumfahrt. The team assembling and testing the Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., installed RAD onto Curiosity last month for the late-2011 launch.RAD measurements during the trip from Earth to Mars will enable correlations with instruments on other spacecraft that monitor solar particle events and galactic cosmic rays in Earth's neighborhood, then will yield data about the radiation environment farther from Earth.Once on Mars, the rover's prime mission will last a full Martian year -- nearly two Earth years. A one-time set of measurements by RAD would not suffice for determining the radiation environment on the surface, because radiation levels vary on time frames both longer than a year and shorter than an hour. Operational planning for Curiosity anticipates that RAD will record measurements for 15 minutes of every hour throughout the prime mission.Radiation levels probably make the surface of modern Mars inhospitable for microbial life. The measurements from RAD will feed calculations of how deeply a possible future robot on a life-detection mission might need to dig or drill to reach a microbial safe zone. For assessing whether the surface radiation environment could have been hospitable for microbes in Mars' distant past, researchers will combine RAD's measurements with estimates of how the activity of the sun and the atmosphere of Mars have changed in the past few billion years.\"The primary science goal of Curiosity is to determine whether its landing site is, or ever was, a habitable environment, a place friendly to life,\" said JPL's Ashwin Vasavada, deputy project scientist for the Mars Science Laboratory. \"That involves looking both for conditions that would support life as well as for those that would be hazardous to life or its chemical predecessors. Natural, high-energy radiation is just such a hazard, and RAD will give us the first look at the present level of this radiation and help us to better estimate radiation levels throughout Mars' history.\"JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Science Laboratory Project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. For more information about the mission, seehttp:\/\/mars.jpl.nasa.gov\/msl\/.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5778048Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-06-26T14:40:38+0100", "id": "f8c12e1bebd43b09a36c0d94b2b710d9", "post_id": "post-220150", "text": "It is my contention that the reason why launch costs are so high, the reason why we don't have passenger access to space as routine as say trans-Pacific flights is that the idea has been promulgated that SSTO is impossible. That is not the case. In fact it is easy, IF you do it in the right way. The right way is summarized in thatonesimple sentence at the end of my sig file.We all know that to get a good payload to space you want a high efficiency engine. And we all know we want to use lightweight structures so the weight savings can go to increased payload. So you would think it would be obvious to use both these ideas to maximize the payload to orbit, right?And indeed both have been used together -for upper stages. Yet this fundamentally obvious concept still has not been used forfirst stages. It is my thesis that if you do this, then what you wind up with will automatically be SSTO capable. This is true for either kerosene fueled or hydrogen fueled stages.Part of the misinformation that has been promulgated is that the mass ratio for SSTO's is some impossible number. This is false. We've had rocket stages with the required mass ratio's since the 60's, nearly 50 years, both for kerosene and hydrogen fueled. Another part of the misinformation is that it would require some unknown high energy fuel and engine to accomplish. This is false. The required engines have existed since the 70's, nearly 40 years, both for kerosene and hydrogen fueled.What has NOT been done is to marry the two concepts together forfirst stages. All you need to do is swap out the low efficiency engines that have been used for the high mass ratio stages and replace them with the high efficiency engines. It really is that simple.This makes possible small, low cost orbital vehicles that could transport the same number of passengers as the space shuttle, about 7, but would have a comparable cost to a mid-sized business jet, a few tens of millions of dollars.Then once you have the SSTO's they make your staged vehicleseven betterbecause you can carry greater payload when they are used for the individual stages of the multi-staged vehicle.In disseminating the false dogma that SSTO's are not possible it is sometimes said instead that they are not practical because the payload fraction is so small. Even this is false. And indeed this is just as damaging as making the false statement they are not possible because the statements are often conflated into meaning the same thing. So when those in the industry make the statement they are not \"practical\", meaning actually they are doable but not economical, this becomes interpreted among many space enthusiasts and even many in the industry as meaning it would require some revolutionary advance to make them possible.The fact that you can carry significant payload to orbit using SSTO's can be easily confirmed by anyone familiar with the rocket equation. To get a SSTO with significant payload using efficient kerosene engines you need a mass ratio of about 20 to 1. And to get a SSTO with significant payload using efficient hydrogen engines you need a mass ratio of about 10 to 1. Both of these the high mass ratio stages and the high efficiency engines for both kerosene and hydrogen have existed for decades now.See this list of rocket stages:Stages Index.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/stages\/index.htmAmong the kerosene-fueled stages you see that several among the Atlas and Delta family have the required mass ratio. However, for the early Atlas stages you have to be aware of the type of staging system they used. They had drop-off booster engines and a main central engine, called the sustainer that continued all the way to orbit. But even when you take this into account you see these highly weight optimized stages had surprisingly high mass ratios.See for instance the Atlas Agena SLV-3:Atlas Agena SLV-3Lox\/Kerosene propellant rocket stage.Loaded\/empty mass 117,026\/2,326 kg. Thrust 386.30 kN. Vacuum specific impulse 316 seconds.Cost $ : 14.500 million. Semistage: LR89-5. Semistage Thrust (vac): 1,644.960 kN (369,802 lbf). Semistage Thrust (vac): 167,740 kgf. Semistage specific impulse: 290 sec. Semistage Burn time: 120 sec. Semistage specific impulse (sl): 256 sec. Semistage Jettisonable Mass: 3,174 kg (6,997 lb). Semistage- number engines: 2. Semistage: Atlas MA-3.Status: Out of production.Gross mass: 117,026 kg (257,998 lb).Unfuelled mass: 2,326 kg (5,127 lb).Height: 20.67 m (67.81 ft).Diameter: 3.05 m (10.00 ft).Span: 4.90 m (16.00 ft).Thrust: 386.30 kN (86,844 lbf).Specific impulse: 316 s.Specific impulse sea level: 220 s.Burn time: 265 s.Number: 140 .http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/stages\/atlaslv3.htmLooking at only the loaded\/empty mass you would think this stage had a mass ratio close to 50 to 1. But that is only including the sustainer engine. The more relevant ratio would be when you add in the mass of the booster engines to the dry mass since they are required to lift the vehicle off the pad. These are listed as the jettisonable mass at 3,174 kg. This makes the loaded mass now 117,026 + 3,174 = 120,200 and the dry mass 2,326 + 3,174 = 5,500 kg, for a mass ratio of 21.85.But this was using the low efficiency engines available in the early 60's. Let's swap these out for the high efficiencyNK-33. The sustainer engine used was theLR89-5at 720 kg. At 1,220 kg the NK-33 weighs 500 kg more. So removing both the sustainer and booster engines to be replaced by the NK-33 our loaded mass becomes 117,526 kg and the dry mass 2,826 kg, and the mass ratio 41.6 (!).For the trajectory-averaged Isp, notice this is not just the midpoint between the sea level and vacuum value, since most of the flight to orbit is at high altitude at near vacuum conditions. A problem with doing these payload to orbit estimates is the lack of a simple method for getting the average Isp over the flight for an engine, which inhibits people from doing the calculations to realize SSTO is possible and really isn't that hard. I'll use a guesstimate Ed Kyle uses, who is a frequent contributor to NasaSpaceFlight.com and the operator of the Spacelauncereport.com site. Kyle takes theaverage Isp as lying 2\/3rds of the way upfrom the sea level value to the vacuum value. The sea level value of the Isp for the NK-33 is 297 s, and the vacuum value 331 s. Then from this guesstimate the average Isp is 297 + (2\/3)(331 - 297) = 319.667, which I'll round to 320 s.Using this average Isp and a 8,900 m\/s delta-V for a flight to orbit, we can lift 4,200 kg to orbit:320*9.8ln((117,526+4,200)\/(2,826+4,200)) = 8,944 m\/s. This is a payload fraction of 3.5%, comparable to that of many multi-stage rockets.This is just using the engine in its standard configuration, no altitude compensation. However, for a SSTO you definitely would want to use altitude compensation. Dr. Bruce Dunn in his report \"Alternate Propellants for SSTO Launchers\" estimates an average Isp of 338.3 s for high performance kerosene engines when using altitude compensation. Then we could lift 5,500 kg to orbit:338.3*9.8ln((117,526+5,500)\/(2,826+5,500)) = 8,928 m\/s.But kerosene is not the most energetic hydrocarbon fuel you could use. Dunn in his report estimates an average Isp of 352 s for methylacetyene using altitude compensation. This would allow a payload of 6,500 kg : 352*9.8ln((117,526+6,500)\/(2,826+6,500)) = 8,926 m\/s.Bob Clark---------- Post added 06-26-11 at 01:40 PM ---------- Previous post was 06-25-11 at 04:34 PM ----------Because SSTO's are controversial I should make the disclaimer that citing the references in the prior post should not be construed as the cited authors endorsing the viewpoint I expressed in that post.Note also in fact that this SSTO has a very good value for a ratio that I believe should be regarded as a better measure, i.e., figure of merit, than the payload ratio for the efficiency of a orbital vehicle. This is the ratio of the payload to the total dry mass of the vehicle. The reason why this is a good measure is because actually the cost of the propellant is a minor component for the cost of an orbital rocket. The cost is more accurately tracked by the dry mass and the vehicle complexity. Note that SSTO's in not having the complexity of staging are also good on the complexity scale.For the ratio of the payload to dry mass you see this is greater than 1 for this SSTO. This is important because for every orbital vehicle I looked at, and possibly for every one that has existed, this ratio is going in the other direction: the vehicle dry mass is greater than the payload carried. Often it is much greater. For instance for the space shuttle system, the vehicle dry mass is more than 12 times that of the payload.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.675025408Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-01T23:21:39+0100", "id": "871426ba45e43a3c9bae13ba4ee32286", "post_id": "post-221099", "text": "Why do they want to use dual RD-180 and not a single RD-170 in the plan?", "thread_id": 14084 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.787218176Z", "author": "Der Zeitgeist", "date": "2012-08-05T20:19:53+0100", "id": "a55b44f2825882ef3b326b6937c87fd4", "post_id": "post-251485", "text": "This \"Eyes on the Solar System\" application from JPL is just amazing. You can actually see Mars getting bigger and bigger from Curiosity's point of view!:cool:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.482185472Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-04-30T15:53:56+0100", "id": "70b59573e376de3251fa1f1e16727bf8", "post_id": "post-219969", "text": "Pilot7893 said:Because kids these days don't take video games seriously enough already.*points at MW2 and CS:S*\n\nToday's games are a lot more serious than Super Mario Brothers ever was. We have actual writing and voice acting. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14067 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.081391104Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-24T12:48:01+0100", "id": "cb012e1a29e7a262ee31e4facf6caf40", "post_id": "post-219530", "text": "Very cool, Sib Tig! I think I may have seen those before somewhere, maybe in a magazine. Some of those appear to be taken from shoulder height; surely he's not hand-holding his camera for those long shots?", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.7960384Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2012-08-06T06:06:38+0100", "id": "a97717345773c7eccaec00b17b16eaba", "post_id": "post-251528", "text": "Oh crap guys, I don't have any peanuts. The mission is doomed.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.559800832Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-02-09T20:29:26+0000", "id": "51b2e66028bd950471050fe262a53c8d", "post_id": "post-220362", "text": "Just saw this discussed on Nasaspaceflight.comElon Musk on SpaceX\u2019s Reusable Rocket Plans.February 7, 2012 6:00 PMThe key, at least for the first stage, is the difference in speed. \"It really comes down to what the staging Mach number would be,\" Musk says, referencing the speed the rocket would be traveling at separation. \"For an expendable Falcon 9 rocket, that is around Mach 10. For a reusable Falcon 9, it is around Mach 6, depending on the mission.\" For the reusable version, the rocket must be traveling at a slower speed at separation because the burn must end early, preserving enough propellant to let the rocket fly back and land vertically. This also makes recovery easier because entry velocities are slower.However, the slower speed also means that the upper stage of the Falcon rocket must supply more of the velocity needed to get to orbit, and that significantly reduces how much payload the rocket can lift into orbit. \"The payload penalty for full and fast reusability versus an expendable version is roughly 40 percent,\" Musk says. \"[But] propellant cost is less than 0.4 percent of the total flight cost. Even taking into account the payload reduction for reusability, the improvement is therefore theoretically over a hundred times.\"\n\nhttp:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/sci...musk-on-spacexs-reusable-rocket-plans-6653023Then for the Falcon 9, the payload would be reduced from 10 mT to 6 mT. If the reduction in payload really is this high, then maybe it would be better to recover the first stage at sea. The loss in payload is coming from the reduction in the speed of staging as well as the need to retain a portion of the fuel for the return to base. Recovering at sea would not have these disadvantages because you could let the first stage make its usual trajectory at returning to the sea but use just small amount of propellant for the final slowdown before the sea impact.In this article Musk does mention that returning back to the launch point allows the turnaround time at least for the first stage to be just hours. But will we really need that short a turnaround time at this stage of the game? A turnaround time of a few days would seem to be sufficient.Perhaps the idea that retrieval at sea would be so expensive comes from the experience of the shuttle with the SRB's. But these were quite large and heavy at ca. 90 mT dry compared to that of the Falcon 9 first stage at less than 15 mT. Also, it is well known the labor costs for the shuttle were greatly inflated compared to a privately funded program.The only additional requirement is that you would need a cover that could be extended to cover the engine section and would be watertight.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57231488Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2013-11-21T01:15:49+0000", "id": "b35b86e2461f14056be71bbb0444171f", "post_id": "post-220485", "text": "I think the problem here is that I am viewing each successive F9 launch as an experimental prototype. A flight test in the development of the SpaceX Reusable Launch System shown inthat video.As such it just seems silly to me to think that SpaceX would not update their design or their procedure based on the newest available test data.You on the other hand view F9 development as essentially complete and as such view any changes to the design or procedures as an unnecessary \"rocking of the boat\".", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.975452928Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-07T11:03:08+0100", "id": "df2c51ac32ad1cd3eb425858c4102781", "post_id": "post-251745", "text": "N_Molson said:And the first color image from Mars (well, from MSL on Mars) :Weather seems to be a bit dusty today in Hale Crater.:)\n\nThedust coveris still on.Where Curiosity landed:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.753147904Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-04-26T03:22:47+0100", "id": "41fcc0617a3d8922bc11c6e9fa7d14a8", "post_id": "post-219307", "text": "Hi all,A question for those who know about the subject, could you please recommend a reasonable digital camera that films video (with audio) for the price range between 200 - 300 USD?To be more specific, it is the best possible video picture quality for the price that I am after, audio second, and I place no special no emphasis on weather or shock proofing whatsoever.Thanks in advance.Edit:Ah, yes. And no Vista only drivers, please. I run XP SP2 & SP3 on my two computers, and would like to stay that way for the time being. Thanks.", "thread_id": 14013 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.352598272Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-28T04:23:29+0100", "id": "52ca060d20697523d3317c8fcfaa0eab", "post_id": "post-219773", "text": "i don't know,may you said the chinese characters isn't chinese.:)like the characters in my picture is just not chinese,i don't know what's that.", "thread_id": 14040 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.064968448Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2011-11-26T17:07:31+0000", "id": "aecb93b410cb739b82fce1dfb4c59529", "post_id": "post-251282", "text": "Go, Curiosity, go!And please leave the cat alone.:)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.814746624Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T12:49:34+0100", "id": "2378e4d6d686876327470ab1b6c615fc", "post_id": "post-219332", "text": ":lol:Seriously though, if the Europe of today were to make contact with uncontacted peoples, rather than the Europe of Colmbus' time, the outcome would be far better. A sophont capable of traversing interstellar space should know better than humans of the 1600s, barring societal and cultural differences.Mr Hawking may be a good physicist, but he isn't an anthropologist, and not even an anthropologist can know how another intelligent organism will react to a certain situation.Some things don't make sense at all, such as \"raiding Earth for resources\", with our thick atmosphere, relatively deep gravity well, pesky biosphere and threatened natives...He is right on one thing though, life, and intelligent life, are probable. You get quite large numbers on even very conservative estimates.EDIT:Interesting timing as it seems SETI want to try a different approach and start really looking for signs of stellar engineering instead of radio waves.\n\nThat is of course if such engineering is possible, common or required. But the logic behind SETI's approach is sound, I don't think it's worth looking for extraterrestrial signals unless they are very powerful and pointed at you.INow this is probably way to optimistic because it's all just a bunch of assumtions.\n\nAgain, even the pessimistic assumptions give quite large numbers. And at least some of these assumptions have a little grounding in fact, such as stellar attributes.I would think though that Hawking would be one who believes intersteller travel is virtually impossible.\n\nVirtually impossible? We have spacecraft travelling into interstellar spaceright now. Ok, so they're going at pitiful velocities, but going faster should not be too troublesome. Interstellar travel doesnotrequire FTL, although if you want to go anywhere is remotely human timescales you'll have to travel at relativistic velocities.the Fermi Paradox\n\nI think the answer to the so called \"Fermi Paradox\" is more an issue of observation and time than anything. Signals are not that detectable unless they're aimed at you, and engineering detectable over large distances may not be required or common. And we've only been open to the idea of extraterrestrial sophonts for a century at most, and we've only been discovering exoplanets for the last 20 years.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.814847744Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-26T12:56:44+0100", "id": "df8201db0087978be0b4603019bc6244", "post_id": "post-219333", "text": "T.Neo said::lol:Seriously though, if the Europe of today were to make contact with uncontacted peoples, rather than the Europe of Colmbus' time, the outcome would be far better.\n\n... For Europe, of course.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.61189248Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-11T22:53:46+0100", "id": "b6f1b95a65a88707c7cf4c3538029d4f", "post_id": "post-252982", "text": "I have finished the lander and LH2 tank payload for itLiftoff2 landers and their LH2 payloads docked to LDDSV.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558695936Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-09T21:19:43+0000", "id": "3f6c71b1a5dced8f2477e7bdda282bba", "post_id": "post-220349", "text": "T.Neo said:1. What advantage, exactly, does an aerospike provide? If I understand correctly, an aerospike allows for some kind of altitude compensation, but it does not greatly improve vacuum ISP (and in fact diminishes it slightly). Considering that most of the ascent is spent in a vacuum or near-vacuum, shouldn't a scheme to increase vacuum ISP (such as an extendible nozzle orTAN) be more relevant?\n\nI looked at the paper talking about the Thrust Augmented Nozzle (TAN). I like that idea too. I wanted a method that could quickly be applied to an already existing engine. This seems to fit the bill.The aerospike can be designed to have the same area ratio as a usual bell nozzle of long length. The advantage then is that it can also operate well at sea level, while the large bell nozzle would lose at sea level or even damage the engine.There may very well be other methods of altitude compensation that can more easily adapted from current engines.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.817982464Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T20:00:54+0100", "id": "c61e0b5271117ca4e3c244afd4a5d14c", "post_id": "post-219368", "text": "This is your assumption based on what you currently know.\n\nWaitwhat?I mean, with all the atmosphere and the gravity well, and the pesky humans, and the potentially poisonous air and whatnot. Soldoeshave an oort cloud...I think you will be able to look up the statistics of how many Ecuadorians alone there are living in (especially) Spain and Italy, and other countries of Europe. Even those figures lie, as a good many more are there illegally. Then there's the rest of Latin America.\n\nYes, but aren't these people primarily descended from Europeans?So, is that what could happen if we are invaded by aliens? We get back at them two to five centuries later?\n\nDepends on the definition of \"get back\". Illegal humans? That's an amusing concept...By the word \"native\" I am assuming that you are using it in its correct sense, as in \"born\" somewhere, and don't mean specifically Chief Sitting Bull or Tupac Yupanqui, yes?\n\nYes, native as in born somewhere. I'm native to South Africa, although many people would like to believe otherwise due to my heritage.When I speak of \"Native Americans\" though, I'm talking about the people that came to America thousands of years ago via the bearing strait land bridge.EDIT:and often for bringing in the new ones as well.\n\nSuch as?For any civilization likely to be able to get here, yes.\n\nOr some who cannot?Ok, so maybe mining NEOs and oort objects isn't the easiest task, but if you'regoing to other star systemsfor resources, you should be able to do it.Maybe there's a scenario where the people entering the solar system are not geared up for ISRU, or they're in a bad way. But that is hardly a reason to invade Earth and pillage our resources.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.786449152Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-05T18:54:22+0100", "id": "ee48ae984e86ee59aa96dbc359516983", "post_id": "post-251479", "text": "http:\/\/www.ustream.tv\/recorded\/24467433At about the 11-minute mark this vid explains the relationships of MRO and ODY, and presents the arrangement in good graphical format of how MSL will communicate during EDL.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.575403008Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-03-04T23:26:05+0000", "id": "e3d8ff1d2746ab53d74101db1093bb73", "post_id": "post-220121", "text": "T.Neo said:Is there any major advantage to an expendable SSTO? Do the interstages and explosive bolts and seperation motors really cost that much?Forgive me here, I have not really followed the conversation that well, but won't any properly-built rocket stage with efficient enough (read: not steam-powered) propulsion be able to lift at least some payload into orbit?I remember the Aquarius concept... it was simple, pressure-fed and sea-launched, but hydrolox, and managed to get a 1 ton payload into orbit as an SSTO (the vehicle was rather large though). The premise was that Aquarius would ship replacable bulk goods to the station, such as food, clothing and water, which would mean that 30% of all flights failing would be acceptable, and warranted for the reduction in launch (and thus kg to orbit) costs.\n\nI like the Aquarius concept. The only qualms I have about it is the plans for it were made too big. It required this huge infrastructure to launch quite a large number of rockets.What should be done is just do a small scale test program. The most important effect of this would be to prove SSTO is possible even if at this small scale you don't see the savings in launch costs.Once it is seen it is possible that would lead to investigating the possibility of reusable launchers that could cut the costs to orbit by 1 to 2 orders of magnitude.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.549724416Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-05-02T10:55:55+0100", "id": "2d97f7ebe4a99b9557e19308e8801973", "post_id": "post-220085", "text": "But ET dry mass already include structural strengthening to accept thrust from SRB's and shuttle. In SSTO application those are not needed so you would basically remove now unnecessary thrust structures from sides and build a new thrust structure at the bottom. Since in this application there are no SRB's that apply huge loads to the ET the upper part could probably made lighter than it is now. Even if after redesign ET with six SSME's have mass ratio of 10 to 1 it would still reach orbit and could carry some payload. I' m not trying to argue that it would be cost effective way to launch something just to prove a point that it should be possible to build an expandable SSTO with existing technology.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.01352064Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2012-12-06T00:41:47+0000", "id": "04e1b2ad81728ccc2ea0bebe6d1ec7ae", "post_id": "post-252048", "text": "By the tone of the article, I'd say they are preemptively extending the mission to \"indefinite\" in order to justify including it in long term plans, for example it mentions MSL needing viable orbiters for communication, and points out that odyssey is showing signs of age. Maybe the will use this as a bureaucratic move to promote a new orbiting vehicle", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.59180928Z", "author": "ijuin", "date": "2008-05-12T10:23:21+0100", "id": "f30a4f89053f5b5e39b4fcee067dd635", "post_id": "post-65230", "text": "Many of the non-replaceable components of Hubble will be wearing out or extremely obsolete by the time it shuts down for good. What we should do is use a Delta-IV to launch a Hubble II.", "thread_id": 1408 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66269696Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-04T05:50:20+0100", "id": "dee7e1bdd7c814a735a653fd488ad3ed", "post_id": "post-220624", "text": "Well if we got vessel stack to work, we could make a stack without having to use the Cook. To use the cook we have to assume we already have it built in orbit.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.035984896Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-24T15:28:03+0000", "id": "be3a22da5652d4f348204921f3714fa4", "post_id": "post-252128", "text": "Because there is likely just one power supply, the RTG.http:\/\/trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov\/dspace\/bitstream\/2014\/43261\/1\/12-5442_A1b.pdfThis file explains this a bit more, you have essentially five separate bus systems, that are all supplied with electrical power by the same source. Only three are active now, two had been supply only by battery power.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.623476992Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-11T14:06:04+0100", "id": "89659646c6166de9d0ab15bd022b672f", "post_id": "post-220812", "text": "Izack said:I'm sorry I've missed the last few days of planning. Reality had me busy...It looks like I've been left in the dust, but I'll make myself useful in the meantime by keeping compiling all the data so far (saving all the important posts, etc.) and perhaps adding to the Orbiterwiki page. Perhaps I could be the official book-keeper. :lol:\n\nWhich reminds me,Check out the OFMM wiki page;http:\/\/www.orbiterwiki.org\/wiki\/OFMMIf I left any important parts out then you could add them please :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.17003776Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-10-27T22:40:02+0100", "id": "196a14f35b745d103f56a055cf37702b", "post_id": "post-219697", "text": "SiberianTiger said:Can it be an experimental equipment?\n\nMaybe it's a part of equipment for its current geophysical experiment. :shrug:", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.416573696Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2010-09-04T20:13:44+0100", "id": "a5537bdbc85f347384ea9d9d527d6b89", "post_id": "post-252471", "text": "Frogisis said:I was really surprised by how fast it starts to turn once you move the paddles\n\nActually, the mass and inertia is still too small for a realistic vessel of this size.The SolarSailEx area is ~785000m^2Current materails for solar sail film range from 3g\/m^2 to 12g\/m^2So mass(for the sail only) should be between 2355kg to 9420kgMoments of inertia (for the sail only) should be more like41500 41500 83000You can change the values in the solarsailex.cfg file, e.g.Code:Mass = 3000kg\nInertia = 41500 41500 83000and see how the performance changes.It would be nice to have some kind of navigation tool for solar sailing in Orbiter. The following site contains a lot of interesting information about solar sails and has a rather fun Java simulation, together with some C++ code for a DOS version:http:\/\/www.u3p.netIn the Java simulation the user can input the Sail->Sun angle and see the resulting trajectory - it would be cool to have an MFD that worked something like that. I'd have a go at making an MFD but I'm not sure if my programming skills are up to it - anyone else interested in making a SolarSailNavigationMFD?Cheers,Brian", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.550650368Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-17T19:24:07+0100", "id": "73998b5ea7160bafc7b7e5918f646c69", "post_id": "post-220256", "text": "RGClark said:Come on. EVERYBODY argues by authority. If you are having a discussion on relativity and you quote Einstein's opinion on an issue that's arguing by authority.\n\nNo, that is absolutely horrible.Einstein said that Black Holes are impossible and any such interpretation of his theories wrong. Today we know that Einstein was right in his theories but wrong about Black Holes. Einstein was wrong pretty often, and sometimes he admitted it.There is no \"because Einstein said so, it must be right\". The same applies to any living person.For me, arguing with Einsteins authority is futile. But using Einsteins arguments isn't. Einstein did never just say \"I am Einstein, and this is fact.\" He explained his results.Which is pretty much what we often demand from you. Not just claim something and then summon the divine authority of some engineer to back you up.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.486630656Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-04-30T09:22:01+0100", "id": "9cc68828a80fadc2a1412bb88e1dad0f", "post_id": "post-219983", "text": "Whilst all spacecraft are what they are. I go so far as to say, that the term spaceship is only applicable for manned vehicles.", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.614020864Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-25T19:15:02+0100", "id": "e9187571429b7281aa6a3f742cc0592e", "post_id": "post-253000", "text": "I got an idea to break down LDDSV in components and make it buildable in LEO like a space station. And to transport all the pieces to LEO in reasonable number of flights we will need a large rocket.So here it isRecoverable booster modules seperatingDelivering The:probe:to orbit:hail::probe::hail::probe:", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.552266496Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-11-12T20:53:33+0000", "id": "96811c0aaa51a9ca9abaabbf95cb2fc9", "post_id": "post-220275", "text": "I only have this one for winged TSTOs.\n\nFigures, so far all the documents of that sort I've found have had to do with reusable spaceplanes and not more usual launch vehicle stages. :dry:I think that generally, peoplereallylike reusable spaceplanes...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.571084032Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2013-11-19T19:41:06+0000", "id": "042367d832d944688c7362aaefa0ad3c", "post_id": "post-220468", "text": "Musk offers something.\n\nHesayshe has something to offer, and he is charismatic, which means that people believe him regardless of rational arguments. Not the same.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.419170048Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2020-06-11T20:15:17+0100", "id": "461bce72df34643dbebe47fcdc1297e2", "post_id": "post-252494", "text": "Now updated for Orbiter2016, v.200611 on OrbitHangar.", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902281728Z", "author": "tori", "date": "2010-04-29T09:12:15+0100", "id": "74993ec046ea23dee712026d9fa86764", "post_id": "post-219470", "text": "You'd end up with a bending load on the base plate of the pyramid - as the four engines in the corners push forward, the main mass pushes on the plate, inducing torques that try to fold the pyramid.It'd be better to flip it upside down - one engine on its point and the pyramid would accelerate base-first. That way all the load would be divided between a compressive load on the side edges (going from corners to the point) and a tensile load on lines going from the corners to the center of the baseplate. Trusses for compression, cables for tension, add some tankage and what not, and off you go.:)", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.609284096Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T18:14:50+0100", "id": "01efc9a9e35ed3a1d1cd66abe368e567", "post_id": "post-220530", "text": "I would like to give this a shot as well. If it works out, can I get ground crew?tex said:It'd be a shame to leave a crew stranded on Mars with no foreseeable support heading their way. :thumbup:\n\nyeah, don't leave me behind... unless you left me a computer with internet access and Orbiter installed. :rofl:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.538452736Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-02T18:06:31+0100", "id": "3ea55f88245144cd35e719d177410208", "post_id": "post-252846", "text": "Again, the critical problem concerning mining is ISP... For example Apollo 17 brought back 111 kg of lunar samples. That's the record.Even if they picked 111 kg of pure gold laying on the moon's surface, they would had brought back to Earth :48,200 (USD\/kg gold) * 111 kg = $5,350,200That's money for sure, but completely out of scale with the price of a whole Apollo-Saturn stack which was $431,000,000 in 1967 (according to astronautix).According to an inflation calculator :$431,000,000.00 in 1967 had the same buying power as $2,828,997,537 in 2010.To sum up : in 2010 dollars, a SaturnV launch costs $2,828,997,537 (roughly).111 kg of pure gold cost $5,350,200.The trip would have earned benefits if they brought back 58.7 tons of pure gold. :blink:So I agree with SiberianTiger on the point that we are still very far away of seriously making money in space.And anyway, if the reason of not giving the medal to the cosmonaut is the private politics of Roscosmos, that's completely dumb. A medal cost them nothing, earn them some international prestige and keep cosmonauts happy. Plus the fact that the Soviet Union initiated space travel as a source of prestige, so honors and medals have become a tradition. Not giving the medal \"just because we want to show we don't make things the same way that the Soviet Union\" seems equally stupid.", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.081231616Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-07-24T10:41:10+0100", "id": "77d955ed6fa4c24aa263378800f8ce9d", "post_id": "post-219529", "text": "Foundthese eerie B&W photos taken with high exposure in Moscow subway:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.82190976Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-28T19:34:42+0100", "id": "d83617aa5c0b15f08b11509ac21678a3", "post_id": "post-219406", "text": "Ghostrider said:The Truth is out There.\n\nThe truth is over there.:probe:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.754757632Z", "author": "NovaSilisko", "date": "2012-02-08T00:31:30+0000", "id": "63301078db8ed38fe65dd9ff3f33b33e", "post_id": "post-251347", "text": "EnDSchultz said:It's where great presidents go to preside over when they die.\n\nAbraham Lincoln: President of Mars!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.441514752Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-04-29T00:03:34+0100", "id": "9edbb2141389e3458b8004e011b3353d", "post_id": "post-219829", "text": "Hielor said:I looked at it and must admit to being tempted to switch to the red team after having been on the green team for the last several years, but some of the reviews\/benchmarks, especially for gaming, were less than glowing.\n\nThat's because they cant help themselves but compare it to i7. It gets its ass handed to it because most games cant utilize more than 2 cores let alone 6.Its absurdly unfair to compare it to the i7 i7 requires new mobo, expensive ram and chipsets that dont do SLI\/crossfire well. PhII X6 requires only a bios upgrade on a majority of AM2 AM2+ and AM3 mobos. Giving extreme flexibility.Tho I have to admit tho. These wont sell nearly as good as their X4 and X3 counterparts. The new silicon is expected to produce VERY fast quads.", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.616028928Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-08T10:01:33+0100", "id": "2a0ddf1ae275ea5b4c9bf6831188a3a4", "post_id": "post-220748", "text": "Bj said:This would assume that we are developing a new realistic multistage Apollo like vessel capable of Mars landings and returns. I am all for it, but I think it would take more time then most is willing to wait... unless I am wrong.\n\nMust not be a Apollo like vessel, but I would also note, that there is no suitable vehicle at all for the things we want to do. For example landing bigger modules on Mars (since we can't inflate it all), would require something along the XR5 from the available vehicles. but the XR5 is already over-sized for all the rest. We have hundreds of station building in LEO vessels or long-range cruisers, but no simple Mars lander.If we use a XR5 in the project, we don't need anything else, this big beast can transport tons to Mars, land large modules and could also be overloaded with UCGO cargo. We would just fly once...and then have nothing to do in space anymore - simply because a XR5 could carry enough cargo to build the first mars base in one, maximal two landings.I would rather have something more specialized for such tasks, for the fun of it.Bj said:About mission windows, while I get they are limiting, what if we dont really go for the 'most fuel efficient manner.' If the stack or any other ship has enough Delta V supply to get to a planet at the most direct, fastest and least efficient possible methods, why not cut out the months of wait and launch imminently? -so long as you have it in the delta V budget of course.\n\nYes, that is why it is called window. The limit of the window is your dV budget, but the required dV approaches the speed of light between the windows.I already calculated it into my statement, when I said that there is a phase for some weeks, where we can haul cargo to Mars or back. We don't need to launch just one mission per season, but these missions would then be flying in parallel and arrive closely stacked.Bj said:Who's delegating? If anyone doesn't mind, I volunteer be the project manager for this and delegate sub-portions of the project.\n\nFine, then do it and take the whole responsibility for the project. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. The buck stops at your desk now.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.987468032Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-18T10:33:18+0100", "id": "cf07d378fc80d841815dbf8ac6e4ad01", "post_id": "post-251833", "text": "An update on Curiosity by \"Mohawk Guy\":[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-45pcRWjcg4\"]Curiosity Rover Report (Aug. 17, 2012) - YouTube[\/ame]", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.503693568Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-30T11:10:21+0100", "id": "00a8a077db8f5f23f97765983f694a39", "post_id": "post-220018", "text": "Has less functions than the German Army Standard hand excavator. this one comes with built in lock-picking, tree-chopping and works also as jack and fire place... and is also a very valuable tool for peace negotiations.", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.58297216Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-08-07T19:42:54+0100", "id": "68d43515725cc0a1dd4c9cca40a2981c", "post_id": "post-220207", "text": "Still, it's lift-off mass is in one league with the 747. Despite Hydrogen being the lightest variant. A kerosene based version would be heavier than a A380 - if it could fly and reach orbit at all.\n\nWell yes, but what do you expect? It is a space launch vehicle after all, even if it is an SSTO one, you can't expect it to be the size of a fighter jet.Even if you built a TSTO vehicle with a similar payload, it would probably end up being quite big as well.Even the DeltaGlider would need to be larger, if it actually had to carry its propellant mass in liquid hydrogen.Approximately yes, maybe even more. A small drop in ISP means a big change in vehicle mass for the same trajectory.\n\nThat is very understandable, but ISP also does not correlate directly with a certain degree of user-friendliness (though obviously it makes a big difference- the difference between cost of the SSME and RS-68 are an example).Lets define \"user-friendly\" as such: The pilot\/owner\/whoever can do the preflight and post-flight checks himself, and only needs specialist knowledge for dealing with the big problems. if you permit some additional mass penalty for example, you could make it possible for a skilled technician to swap a turbopump assembly, without you needing to hire a specialist team, like for example if you would need for replacing a turbopump rotor or bearing.Current situation in spaceflight is as such: For everything, you need experts, usually in the price class of engineers. You can already do some small maintenance as IVA and EVA, which is about on the skill level for skilled technicians, but it is impossible to fly without. And the problem is not the staging system, but such mundane things like the engines or the propellant utilization system.Calibrating a IMU isn't that complex, you could do that with adequate accuracy without studying physics. But the subsystem has to be designed for this task.Swapping a LRU or installing new software would be fairly easy, providing automated test equipment isn't a problem. But could you for example replace a damaged heavy-duty valve? Not that easy without the valve helping you.Replacing a worn-out bearing on a engine turbopump is really rocket science - not only do you need to deal with complex pneumatics and extreme accuracies, but you also need to do tasks like being able to balance a turbopump shaft afterwards again to prevent destructive vibrations. A high-performance turbopump runs at 250,000 RPM. If you want to be at least effective, you run at 100,000 RPM. if you want it cheap, but bulky, you use just 50,000 RPM and pay a hefty fuel efficiency price. Even for the 50,000 RPM turbopump, you will need to balance the rotor carefully. At 250,000 RPM, you balance in the range of a few hundred nanogram. Special engineers can do that, with special expensive machines. They cost you a few million per rotor then (alone about 400,000 USD for the wages). And you can't make it automatic. You will always need specialists to make sure the machines are not optimizing the rotor away into tiny chips of metal waste. The local optimum for the balance is not always the global optimum that you want.If a spacecraft owner would need to send his spacecraft to a special company every every flight to check for such expensive problems and do the overhaul because even small checks mean disassembling sensitive parts, it is not user-friendly, the user who paid for it will spend less time with his investment as the technicians to maintain it.Even if you want to just attract major companies, you need a low-cost approach to maintenance. Especially since you will have to assume that you are not alone in the world and your design might be the first, but not the last to appear. The first in a market is not always the one who makes the biggest profits.\n\nDo we really need to operate spacecraft as amateurs though? This is what RGClark has stated (or is at least implying), but I can imagine many levels of operation that are not nearly as simple as a very small-scale private operation, that are still much better than the current state(s) of where spaceflight is at.That said, your super-expensive hyper-intensive maintainance operations and accidental metal-chip production machines will come down in price with time... of course there will always be limits and more intensive systems will always cost more, but the more experience is gained, the better things will become.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.002306816Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-19T23:21:29+0100", "id": "fa401da0d935e7975075fe2225dfa419", "post_id": "post-251931", "text": "CBS News Space:Curiosity poised for first 'hands-on' geologyFlorida Today:Curiosity aims to interrogate first Martian rockThe Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity sol 43 update: First science stopDiscovery News:Mars Rover Curiosity Has First Target in Sight", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.549979648Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T16:36:16+0100", "id": "e3374bebe84a90a947e787330550d7ea", "post_id": "post-220088", "text": "Andy44 said:If you were using the ET as a conventional rocket body like that, wouldn't you swap the locations of the LH2 and LOX tanks?\n\nYes, you would prefer to do so, so the denser fuel is aft and thus the CoG closer to the engines. But that is not too critical, since rockets are always instable, you just choose HOW instable it is.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.600147712Z", "author": "Wally", "date": "2010-05-01T21:35:09+0100", "id": "f71c660307e9911464e3320287a4d294", "post_id": "post-220516", "text": "I've noticed that RCS behavior for Shuttle Ultra mimics the RCS for the real shuttle, meaning a pulse mode for RCS burns (as seen and heard [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=v4uZeeUWrU0\"]YouTube- STS-125 Atlantis Hubble SM4 - Hubble Release [HD][\/nomedia]). Can this feature be implemented for Shuttle Fleet also, maybe like a 3rd party addon of some kind, maybe with posibility of swtiching back to continuous mode when needed?Also, can the feature describedherebe implemented too, maybe in the same addon?", "thread_id": 14081 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.17049216Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-08-31T00:34:33+0100", "id": "8a22f2b9b29e6b67e60689547e718aec", "post_id": "post-252328", "text": "Turbinator said:Why should they be, my big widescreen monitor costs $170, get 3 of them together and its $510. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why a single piece ultrawidescreen monitor should cost more than that. It would be a normal flat panel LCD in every way, except the screen would be long. And if there there was one for $700 I would buy it at once. There is NO reason why these things should cost $6,500. A 70 inch plasma screen doesn't cost that much...\n\nBecause manufacturing curved screens is a whole lot more expensive than manufacturing flat ones, and it's a lot higher pixel pitch than the 70\" screen you point out. The more pixels you're manufacturing on a single panel, the more likely you are to run into manufacturing defects, and the more expensive it gets.Keatah said:I still have to disagree, if I look left then I see perhaps a wall or the hallway or bookcase. I am certainly not looking at a monitor. So if trackIR shows me something and I'm not looking that way, what's the point. I ain't gonna see it!\n\nHave you actuallyuseda TrackIR? Judging by your comments, I suspect not.Are your eyes glued straight forward in your sockets?The TrackIR will amplify the angle of your head movement quite a bit (and you can configure by how much. For me, I have it set so that turning my head to point at the edge of my monitor--5-10 degrees--causes about a 90 degree change in the view on screen. Only a few more degrees takes the view all the way to 180). Again, I wear glasses, which restricts my usable forward field of view, but I have absolutely no trouble keeping my eyes focused on the center of the screen while I turn my head a few degrees.Sure, it lets you get a bouncy view with a slightly different perspective. But that's about it.\n\nThis comment alone makes be pretty sure that you've never used one. It gives you far more than \"a bouncy view with a slightly different perspective.\" It gives you the ability to look around your cockpit in a very natural way, directly controlling where you look by the direction you turn your head, without needing to fiddle with the hat switch.It is a concept product, that, when refined, may be useful and fun.. Meantime to all you beta-testers out there! Let's get purchasing the next version and keep it up!!\n\nIt already is useful and fun. If you haven't used one, I strongly recommend finding someone who has one and getting them to let you borrow it and try it out. Now that I've used one, I can't live without it when simming--it very quickly becomes second nature. And, like I said--I had the conscious choice between using multiple monitors and using a TrackIR, and I picked the TrackIR, and would repeat that choice any day. The TrackIR allows you to look inanydirection, which is amazing for flying anything that isn't an airliner.With three monitors, your field of view is still limited to a narrow band in front of and slightly to the sides, with no ability to look \"up\" during aerobatic maneuvers to see where you're going without resorting to the unnatural and clunky hat switch.River Crab said:Also, I think TrackIR is an incredible ripoff as well. Such a thing is possible for, at most, $50 USD, using free software (FreeTrack), a Wii remote, cheap DIY tracking clip, and Bluetooth adapter. I'm actually very surprised that this guy built that whole thing, and yet, just bought a TrackIR.I think he either didn't know about it, or ran out of Coffee.:coffee:\n\nI'd guess you haven't used one either? TrackIR has overall higher quality, more options, and is better supported than FreeTrack. When it comes to how much he's saving, saving tens of thousands of dollars on a DIY motion rig in exchange for lots of time building makes perfect sense. Saving a mere $100 isn't worth the added work and reduced quality.It's also possible that he already owned the TrackIR (wouldn't surprise me to learn that someone who would go to this much trouble for a simpit already owned one), so it didn't cost him anything for this project. This is also suggested by the fact that he's using the older passive hat-tracking device and not the newer active one which is more accurate (and doesn't cost much at all).", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63562368Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-19T02:06:34+0100", "id": "3bfd68af4406c0932ec6f3ded1bd66ee", "post_id": "post-220904", "text": "No, we wouldnt have to drag it along at all. The idea is to already have models of certain old landers already in place on mars before the mission begins. Most, if not all of these models are already available in OH. They do not need to be flown or carried at all, we simply write them into place at the start of the mission. The idea was to give us something to look for beyond minerals and scientific data.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.651374592Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-11T16:16:11+0100", "id": "7c301aac3d10ba5f8a4c9d2d2949ca6b", "post_id": "post-221042", "text": "Perhaps, we could launch a scouting mission to find where we are going to set up the base. I say we should put a flag there, till we set up modules.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.416982528Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2010-10-13T12:26:18+0100", "id": "dc09c83e822d8ef51f1b7611770c2caa", "post_id": "post-252476", "text": "Think that having to control paddles is slightly inconvenient. Currently I use Sceneditor to vary attitude to get the most Prograde and outward force. Maybe the process can be automated (with conjugate gradient maximization of the rate of growth of SMa), and only after that can we think of using paddles to get to that attitude. Just my 2 cents.---------- Post added at 11:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:45 AM ----------Wonder if a GaAs solar panel and a CMG would be better for attitude control... (how much do they add to the mass? - a CMG is 28 kg, how large a panel and the joint should be to get 150 W)", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.736908544Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-26T07:15:38+0100", "id": "fb9223b83a78f9f868e310067c28307c", "post_id": "post-219293", "text": "Well I'd love to see those addons...Great news. It seems that Mexico may dream on space some day.", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.087661568Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2012-05-02T00:13:25+0100", "id": "ae9e6097f44a904edd72931a43cf5219", "post_id": "post-219570", "text": "Andy44 said:Now that's you've got the capability, the next hard part is finding creative ways to use it.\n\nThat is so.I was thinking of taking pictures of regular scenes in the light of a warm soldering iron - that's got to look quite psychedelic.Unfortunately, it would take better optics than a plastic fresnel with about 1-5% transparency in the target band, and shipping times from China are never quick.In the meantime, i hunt for the regular things in the new shape.For example true color images, Prokudin-gorsky style.With some NIR leakage in the red channel, amazing how adding some real color sharpens a blurred image:And actual true color, but with some distortion in the red from the hot mirror filter.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.931634944Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-06-17T22:24:02+0100", "id": "a70cd0d1c42831fc3014a5b185db585e", "post_id": "post-251158", "text": "Looks like a genuine flying saucer. No better shape to enter the Martian atmosphere ! :lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.086238464Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-04-19T04:48:23+0100", "id": "527aed970dadcae35576388975782268", "post_id": "post-219557", "text": "Time to bring this thread back to life!From yesterday of course:And here's a few the OF community has not seen before, all from the Goddard Spaceflight Center outdoor rocket garden. Like some of the others I've posted here, these are dry-plate ambrotypes on 4\" by 5\" glass plates, hand-coated and shot in my home-built camera, and developed in my home. Lots of work but rewarding results.Delta Launch Vehicle with hold-down clamps:Delta Third Stage with payload mock-up and aero shroud:Boilerplate Apollo Command Module and Sounding Rockets:---------- Post added at 11:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:25 PM ----------And I'll re-post this one for good measure; my old Lunar Space Shuttle add-on:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.1409984Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-04-27T03:18:35+0100", "id": "79129f0765253f07115047422f1e33a4", "post_id": "post-219634", "text": "Hey guys I was wondering how you do TORRA's or TORVA's in the space shuttle...thanks. AtlantisOnline", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.170065152Z", "author": "River Crab", "date": "2010-08-30T22:34:10+0100", "id": "7d30f3160d3971e395bb9af5ff2a8e12", "post_id": "post-252324", "text": "Turbinator said:Why should they be, my big widescreen monitor costs $170, get 3 of them together and its $510. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why a single piece ultrawidescreen monitor should cost more than that. It would be a normal flat panel LCD in every way, except the screen would be long. And if there there was one for $700 I would buy it at once. There is NO reason why these things should cost $9,000. A 70 inch plasma screen doesn't cost that much...\n\n...Because it's made byAlienware!? :lol:", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.664016384Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T19:41:38+0100", "id": "9e3da95b35159f491be1d57a10794adf", "post_id": "post-220638", "text": "Stack concept No. 2 (Minus the NERVA2):Feedback?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.503575552Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-30T11:01:49+0100", "id": "115f17c3af917e112266057c52a33c28", "post_id": "post-220017", "text": "That will make the Chinese version of MacGyver so totally not hard to spot.", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.504493312Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-09-01T17:14:48+0100", "id": "3708523d9038349b811246293ff41ec5", "post_id": "post-252718", "text": "I just updated to 2010 P1, and continued developement on Orbiter Galaxy. However, since the switch to P1, I can't trigger any breakpoints in visual studio anymore (which makes debugging rather difficult, obviously).When I set a breakpoint and then run the code, the breakpoint becomes inactive. When I move the mouse over it it says \"the breakpoint can currently not be reached. No symbols have been loaded for this document\". I know this hapens if I run code that's not actualised (contains changes from last build and wasn't re-built), so I rebuilt the code, then completely rebuilt it, all with the same result.Using VS 2005 Express. Does anyone have an Idea what could be the problem here?", "thread_id": 16323 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.903451648Z", "author": "tori", "date": "2010-04-30T12:54:09+0100", "id": "d647b6bcb46b7241af0a9bcc68b1bd7f", "post_id": "post-219487", "text": "You sure a quadruple-redundant twin fusion drive canted outward would be better mass-wise than a little bit of structure and say two parallel drives?", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.51708288Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-30T21:50:00+0100", "id": "8047db54167b00c986746436a77bf7df", "post_id": "post-220036", "text": "Hielor said:it was another clip that they spliced in.\n\nYeah, now that I think of it the colors were kind of funky. I'd like to see some of the raw footage.", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.865987584Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:18:59+0100", "id": "d2de81c67895759f1123acbebeca7c67", "post_id": "post-251553", "text": "Tones indicate aeroshell orientation is working", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433175808Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2008-05-12T01:35:23+0100", "id": "041dd29e2ec69d3a98f1f34ccfb7b629", "post_id": "post-65201", "text": "No, the better and cheaper solution is to drop a dozen of nukes all over the place to stop their people's suffering. :dry:Any idea on what the adjacent ASPAC countries think of this problem? ASEAN, perhaps? Does anyone remeber how the rule of Pol Pot was put to end by Vietnamese invasion?", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.574281984Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2014-11-17T17:31:16+0000", "id": "830b741add2f2544452ee7db1cd390ba", "post_id": "post-220499", "text": "Loru said:Pure dV derived from rocket equation is not enough. You have to acount for gravity losses, which are determined mostly by thrust\/weight ratio in initial phases of flight.Silverbird rocket calculatorsays that Titan 1st stage with single LR-87-5 can't achieve orbit on it's own. Adding second engine to the stage gives me astonishing payload of 28kg! And that's for straight eastward launch on equator.\n\nThe Wikipedia page on the Titan II is confusing but actually it did usetwoLR-87's on the first stage. So your entry for the thrust is actually the correct one for the two engines used. I already mentioned at least one version of the Titan II only had a dry mass for the first stage in the 4,300 kg range.There is also a quirk of the calculator you need to be aware of. The option \"Restartable Upper Stage\", you would think wouldn't matter if it is only a single stage. But I think it takes the last stage firing as the upper stage, so keeps some propellant in reserve even for a SSTO. In any case it results in a significant loss in the payload if you leave the \"Yes\" option checked here.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.992059904Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2012-08-23T01:24:29+0100", "id": "29de9ffa8bfbecb48f1fa5c565e04550", "post_id": "post-251871", "text": "As far as I know the wind sensor its made by Polytechnic University of Catalonia (My university) I hope the problem not to be a cause of negligence.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.555039232Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-02T18:32:09+0000", "id": "53d4463fe635d8203d72b47b49dce877", "post_id": "post-220303", "text": "Good. The formatting of your post has greatly improved, however, the quality of its content is still the same.RGClark, I suggest (and not out of jest or sarcasm) that you do a simple cost comparison between a reusable TSTO and reusable SSTO. The conditions are that you have to show your work, and cite proper sources (i.e. NASA studies and technical papers, AIAA studies, etc) and not just things like space news websites. You cannot make baseless, referenceless and dubious claims (i.e. 'with modern materials, this can be reduced by half'). You have to show the reasoning behind the methods you use and your assumptions.Good luck. And have fun!:cheers:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581211392Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-07-07T03:51:36+0100", "id": "0563fc9304c79f5bcc1d325c67c1e6de", "post_id": "post-220188", "text": "T.Neo said:Who says I am in the mood for anything? These calculations take time and effort, I am practically mathamatically illterate, I am likely missing certain factors, there is a high chance of inaccuracy, and everyone probably thinks I am a moron for doing so.\n\nI appreciate your taking the time to do the calculation.About the comparison between the ET and the S-II empty weights, the more relevant comparison would be when you add the engine weight to the ET. But then you also have to add on the thrust structure which transmits the thrust evenly to the propellant tanks, the wiring, and the hydraulics for the engine gimbaling. You also have to add on the avionics but you would have to add this also to the S-II, and with modern miniaturization this should be a small component of the empty weight.These extra weight considerations are why I prefer to do this swapping out of engines with already existing stages, such as the S-II.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.152165376Z", "author": "Slice N Splice", "date": "2010-08-30T21:10:46+0100", "id": "a0d6a4564344d323a977585d25af9399", "post_id": "post-252297", "text": "Can i have the link to the energia jinglesassy?", "thread_id": 16279 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.557004288Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-04T21:16:35+0000", "id": "839f6bf6deb2ab96b7b9793a0441219d", "post_id": "post-220330", "text": "RGClark said:In the example in my prior postifyou had the aerospike nozzle on the Falcon 9 first stage then you could lift a Dragon size capsule.\n\nReally? Where did you hide the evidence for that?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611505152Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-06T04:26:16+0100", "id": "8c32f42e914fa040a5f4ab6878cc75e7", "post_id": "post-220708", "text": "We can just assume this is an alternate history kind of project. Assuming that technology by this time would be more advanced. This is more about simulating the tasks themselves, not when exactly they would happen.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.159669248Z", "author": "spcefrk", "date": "2008-05-27T02:31:28+0100", "id": "e60cd8af508bbbeea9a670c37d89b891", "post_id": "post-69030", "text": "November 29th:1961 MA-5 Enos (A monkey) was launched to test the Mercury Atlas1984 Baker (one of the two first animals to survive spaceflight) died at age 27. She flew with Able on a Jupiter AM-18 in 1959. They apparently survived 38 gs during reentry.", "thread_id": 1628 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.08012672Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-16T01:42:22+0100", "id": "7582188bb61b5542efa23bf98027036a", "post_id": "post-219522", "text": "You know Nikon's lovin' that. Time for Hasselblad to get back in the game! Hasselblad makes a ridiculously expensive digital back for their already-steep medium format cameras.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.615019264Z", "author": "Wolfer", "date": "2010-05-07T20:22:29+0100", "id": "482f63aae9d96c969673af4f5b1fff41", "post_id": "post-220737", "text": "Urwumpe is right, we need to figure out the basic mission profile before anything else. Will we launch a permanent base? If yes, will we do some crew rotation or will the crew stay there and then we peridiocally launch ressuply missions maybe with some more crew and base expansions? Will we do lots of surface exploration? Etc.Linguofreak's poll idea sounds like the best way to acheive a consensus on these matters.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.438888704Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-09-02T20:59:39+0100", "id": "a079c0c95cb2219a7f5b7d13939d2873", "post_id": "post-252552", "text": "Anychance someone could just release a how to or mod with say a DG-IV MK2 with a light and XR vessels?", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.454267392Z", "author": "Ursus", "date": "2008-05-11T22:37:01+0100", "id": "9c245fa700510e1662aa13432795c579", "post_id": "post-65217", "text": "Linguofreak said:I do wish myself though that there was something like docking MFD that worked even without one of the ships being equipped with a dock\/transponder\/etc.\n\nI thought the same thing 'til I realized that I could actually select a target in Docking MFD even if it doesn't have a transponder or IDS beacon, then click the HUD button on the MFD to set the HUD to that target.Come to think of it... now that I've realized that, maybe I'll try playing around with some of Greg Burch's add-ons again. He's got some really nice stuff, but a lot of them don't have transponder\/IDS frequencies set by default. (And... come to think ofthat... I guess it kind of makes sense with such things as SSBB, in which it's likely that two modules of the same type will be in close proximity...) Sometimes I feel too lazy to edit the scenario files.", "thread_id": 1406 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.393097472Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-04-28T22:53:55+0100", "id": "e535cedea1f179ff84897c4fc985c3ad", "post_id": "post-219794", "text": "yeah and if set it to a low enough altitude at the earth, you will just slam into the atmosphere at like .4C before slowing down. it sounds like you are using it to warp right to the place you go, when you say \"pinpoint\" the earth atmosphere is like a \"surface\" you never want to just crash into it.---------- Post added at 02:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:53 PM ----------just like you wouldn't warp to a location 100km below the moons surface LOL", "thread_id": 14044 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.520187136Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-09-02T03:57:34+0100", "id": "3bbfb7340c5d8cf5a80c0f59d9f17683", "post_id": "post-252768", "text": "I'd be interested in a mission to the Moon maybe, if we get a plan set up. Definitely should go with existing addons for simplicity though.", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.485853184Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-30T04:49:27+0100", "id": "e59af5604b3c28868576f075bf1a2407", "post_id": "post-219975", "text": "thanks , i understand.spaceship is a unreal spacecraft.", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.432216064Z", "author": "dutchpirate", "date": "2008-05-11T12:39:20+0100", "id": "9ce5080e76914cb6734fa9f847531f4f", "post_id": "post-65191", "text": "How about a high altitude food and supply drop test that 'accidentally' drifts over Burma.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.53814144Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-09-02T16:58:20+0100", "id": "023ebcf5701844ac20e4d4c07ed304a8", "post_id": "post-252842", "text": "Well, if privatized spaceflight really takes off it will be that way everywhere and astro\/cosmonauts will be just salarymen. A couple of decades down the line and they will be paid an ever-dwindling pittance while space companies' managers will be lining their pockets with megatons of dosh while firing engineers by the dumptruckload.", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558278912Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-06T20:44:10+0000", "id": "cb379d4036361c27f9c342f3efeb52ef", "post_id": "post-220345", "text": "RGClark said:This is only a first order analysis using general mass numbers. A more extensive analysis would use expensive computer software for calculating the various components and their interactions.This is what you do before you proceed to the expensive detailed calculations.Bob Clark\n\nwrong. You mistake a first research into possible solutions as first order analysis. A first order analysis is not even using expensive computer software, you need Excel or similar at most. What you mean is the second phase. When you go over to first one-dimensional simulations (Special software is now getting a bit more expensive, but the price is peanuts compared to the full R&D budget for that phase already), later 3 dimensional (OpenFOAM does not cost anything BTW, being capable to use it properly is a real complex skill though). Eventually you start putting it all together into CAD and simulation models and simulation results that are thousands of Gigabyte large.The first order research is really just turning ideas into quantifiable and comparable models. You want to compare an aerospike to 9 classic engines, so find a way to describe them in numbers in a comparable scenario.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.651291392Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-11T16:13:36+0100", "id": "5141b5f6d134160700643d990133c6b4", "post_id": "post-221041", "text": "Columbia42 said:...I would like to have some accurate systems simulations and I think that the control panels etc.\n\nI am against this, what ever we do, it should NEVER exceed the complexity of a XR-Vessel or AMSO, because otherwise, we woulda) need years to develop thingsb) need years to teach all pilots to fly it.Ideally, we should maybe have a common base class for all our DLL based vessels, that like for the XRs implements a lot of common stuff and allows to just adapt it to something else.Personally, I would even prefer if the subsystem simulations focus on the ground operations and survival of the crew, and does not go to extremes with navigation or electrical power stuff.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.51194112Z", "author": "Mindblast", "date": "2010-09-02T07:56:16+0100", "id": "fd52109986e69abfa2d1a2058d513bad", "post_id": "post-252755", "text": "GPU window is back to white again. shader.log and texgen.log show the same as before:shader.logCode:genprog:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) failed to link, vertex shader(s) linked. \nFragment Shader not supported by HWtexgen.logCode:GPU Name=ATI MOBILITY RADEON X1600\n--Initializing precomputation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone, time=88751.7 per quad\n--Generating on cpu...\nDone, time=4215803 per quad", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.574186752Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2014-11-16T17:31:29+0000", "id": "b8128e25498ba2503db460a32910f91e", "post_id": "post-220498", "text": "RGClark said:That might be due to the various versions of the Titan II that were made. I noticed that dry mass value you used was higher than the cited Wikipedia value. Wikipedia is sometimes inaccurate but here's another more reliable source that gives a lower value for the dry mass of the Titan 2G version of the titanhttp:\/\/www.braeunig.us\/space\/specs\/titan.htmBob Clark\n\nDry mass or empty mass is not burn-out mass.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.63185024Z", "author": "DanScall", "date": "2010-05-18T15:15:51+0100", "id": "7899cbafa3ea39b31e2e9c1e56453c1a", "post_id": "post-220891", "text": "First of all, having loved the OFSS project but unfortunatly been too busy to take part.Anyways, I'd seriously love to take part, preferably as an XR-2 pilot. My IMFD\/TransX skills are a little shaky, as is my knowledge of transfers and launch windows and all the other crap that involves math, I tend to run out of fingers too quick for that stuff. To\/from\/on orbit stuff I can do to perfection however, both for Earth and Mars.If all the pilot spots are taken (didn't read the full 25 pages:p) I'll literally take whatever's spare.Reading the rest of this insanely long thread now to see what else I can contribute!:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.61155968Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-09-10T17:35:53+0100", "id": "10e3cacd7921c949331322c690bb0e30", "post_id": "post-252979", "text": "I for one like the design. A unique approach to a subject where, as was mentioned, a lot of the craft start to look the same. Very cool.Maybe I'm not seeing it, but is there any type of communication array on this vessel?", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.59160192Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2008-05-11T18:48:31+0100", "id": "de3630c540b878c81b44023d950b0149", "post_id": "post-65229", "text": "It was decided to put a docking clamp on JWST so that Orion could clamp onto it, but this is only for very limited tasks, since JWST is not designed to be serviced. The parts are not designed to be removed and replaced once the vehicle ships to the launchpad on JWST; Hubble was purposely built modular for servicing in bulky spacesuits.", "thread_id": 1408 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.163014656Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-27T13:43:17+0100", "id": "434a2103b6891cb139bb8eb1994d92a5", "post_id": "post-219668", "text": "Mission:Supply run to the ISS replenishing onboard reserves of fuels, food, water and other consumables essential for continued manned flight of the complexThe launch site:Baikonur(Launch pad no. 1\/5 45\u00b055'12.85\"N, 63\u00b020'32.27\"E)The launch time is:23:15:09 Baikonur 28.04.201021:15:09 Moscow Summer Time 28.04.201017:15:09 UTC April 28, 20101:15:09 p.m. EDT April 28, 2010[eventTimer]2010-04-28 17:15:09?before|after;%dd% Days %hh% Hours %mm% Minutes %ss% Seconds %c%[\/eventTimer] Progress M-05M launchThe expected docking time is:22:35:30\u00b13 min Moscow Summer Time 01.05.201018:35:30\u00b13 min UTC May 1, 20102:35:30 p.m. \u00b13 min EDT May 1, 2010[eventTimer]2010-05-01 18:35:30?before|after;%dd% Days %hh% Hours %mm% Minutes %ss% Seconds %c%[\/eventTimer] Progress M-05M dockingSpacecraft:Progress M-05M (production #405, NASA id Progress 37P)The spacecraft's mass is about 7290.0 kgCargo manifestCode:Refueling system propellants amount 870 kg\n* Oxygen 50 kg\nWater in Rodnik (\"Creek\") system tanks 100 kg\nSelf fuel reserve available for the ISS 250 kg\n\nPressured section cargo (total mass 1318 kg)\n\nEqupiment for systems:\n* SOGS gas mixture composition control 33 kg\n* SVO water supply control 73 kg\n* SOTR heat exchange conrtol 6 kg\n* SUBA equipment control 5 kg\n* BITS2-12 telemetry 2 kg\n* BVS computers 3 kg\n* STTS telephone and telegraph comms 2 kg\nSTOR maintenance and repair items 5 kg\nHygiene and sanitation items 71 kg\nFood rations, fresh products 325 kg\nMedical equipment, underwear,\npersonal hygiene and care 155 kg\n\nFGB Zarya equipment 64 kg\nMRM2 Poisk equipment 53 kg\nScientific equipment 19 kg\nOnboard documentation, crew parcel,\nvideo and photo equipment 35 kg\n\nEquipment for Russian crewmembers 42 kg\n\nStorable Equipment (Package #9) 5 kg\n\nAmerican Sergent delivery, including\nfood rations, life support means,\nmedical, personal hygiene and care means,\nzero 6 prophylaxis means 420 kg\n\nTotal cargo mass 2588 kgLaunch vehicle:Soyuz-U(model 11\u0410511\u0423)|\"Soyuz-U\" unified middle-class launch vehicle is intended for injection of \"Soyuz\"-type and \"Progress\"-type manned and cargo spaceships into near-earth orbit, spacecraft for special purposes (\"Kosmos\"-series spacecraft), spacecraft for national economy (\"Resurs-F\"-type spacecraft), spacecraft for space technology research and spacecraft for medical and biological purposes (\"Foton\"-type and \"Bion\"-type spacecraft ), as well as foreign spacecraft. \"Soyuz-U\" launch vehicle can be equipped with nose fairing of the following diameters: 2,7; 3,0; 3,3; 3,7 m.Manufacturer:Samara Space CentreThe vehicle'sreliability statsup to date:Code:================================================================ \nVehicle Successes\/Tries Realzd Pred Consc. Last Dates \n Rate Rate* Succes Fail \n================================================================ \nSoyuz-U 729 749 .97 .97 46 10\/15\/02 1973-Mission Profile:1. Soyuz-U's ascent chartThe times below are Moscow Summer Time (UTC+4):The expected payload separation time: 21h 23m 59.18s2. Orbital Parameters of Progress M-05M and the ISSParameter|Designation|Prorgess-M-05M at 28\/04|ISS at 01\/05Orbital Period|T, min|88,59 \u00b10,37|91,44Inclination|i, degrees|51,66 \u00b10,06|51,66Min altitude|h, km|193 +7 -15|346,3Max altitude|H, km|245 \u00b142|361,2Phase angle between the space ship and the ISS is about 358 degreesProjected duration of the space ship at the nominal orbit is no less than 20 orbits (~30 hrs)3. Transfer manoeuvres(three days long approach scheme applied)* 1st two-burn manoeuvreDate|Burn at|Orbit #|Delta V, m\/s|Burn duration, s|post-burn T,min|post-burn h,km|post-burn H,km|post-burn i,deg29.04.10|00:57:30|3|21,78|55,1|89,34|216,6|276,4|51,6629.04.10|01:49:03|4|6,22|16,6|89,51|225,0|289,0|51,63* 2nd one-burn correctionDate|Burn at|Orbit #|Delta V, m\/s|Burn duration, s|post-burn T,min|post-burn h,km|post-burn H,km|post-burn i,deg30.04.10|22:10:43|33|3,00|44,2|89,58|234,2|286,0|51,67Autonomous approach program is initiated at 20:14:594. Approach at the Close rangeFlyaround, station keeping and docking are to be performed on May 1st, 2010 since 22 hrs 12 min 37 sec \u00b13 min till making contact5. DockingContact and capture are to be performed on May 1st, 2010 since 22 hrs 35 min \u00b13BACKUP TIMES:Launch: 29.04.2010, 20 hrs 49 min 29 secDocking: 01.05.2010, 22 hrs 35\u00b13 minThe Approach Chart:Weather forecast for Baikonur, Kazakhstan for April 28, 2010Hi: 20\u00b0Lo: 5\u00b0There is a 0% chance of precipitation. Partly cloudy. Mild. Temperature of 20\u00b0C. Winds SW 26km. Humidity will be 40% with a dewpoint of 6\u00b0 and feels-like temperature of 20\u00b0C.Sunrise\/Sunset and associated twilight times for Baikonur on April 28, 2010Times are local.Event|TimeAstronomical twilight begins|04 : 39Nautical twilight begins|05 : 24Civil twilight begins|06 : 05Sunrise|06 : 36Transit (sun is at its highest)|13 : 44Sunset|20 : 51Civil twilight ends|21 : 23Nautical twilight ends|22 : 03Astronomical twilight ends|22 : 48Watching the launch liveTSENKI video streams(begins at 19:15 MSK - 15:15 UTC; ends at 22:15 MSK - 17:15 UTC)http:\/\/www.tv-tsenki.com\/live.phphttp:\/\/www.tv-tsenki.com\/live3.phpENERGIA's Webcast(Russian)http:\/\/www.energia.ru:8080\/ramgen\/broadcast\/lagoon\/encoder\/live.rmAlso, Vesti on-line coverage will be available in Russian (a short video report with narration):Vesti - High Qualityhttp:\/\/www.vesti.ru\/video1.asx?vid=onairVesti - Low Qualityhttp:\/\/www.vesti.ru\/video1.asx?vid=onair_lowLaunch preparation picture chroniclesApr 20, 2010 - Progress M-05M after tanking came back for the final assembly stagesApr 21, 2010 - Mated to the adapterApr 25, 2010 - Assembling the upper composite with the rocket stackApr 26, 2010 - Rolling out and erection at pad 1\/5Progress M-05M mission videosRolling out and erection at pad 1\/5[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=d8B_eAfb5vA\"]YouTube- \u00d0\u2019\u00d1\u2039\u00d0\u00b2\u00d0\u00be\u00d0\u00b7 \u00d0\u00a0\u00d0\ufffd \u00d0\u00a1\u00d0\u00be\u00d1\u017d\u00d0\u00b7 -\u00d0\u00a3 \u00d1\ufffd \u00d0\u201c\u00d0\u00a2\u00d0\u0161 \u00d0\u0178\u00d1\u20ac\u00d0\u00be\u00d0\u00b3\u00d1\u20ac\u00d0\u00b5\u00d1\ufffd\u00d1\ufffd \u00d0\u0153-05\u00d0\u0153.[\/nomedia]Source Referenceshttp:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.comhttp:\/\/www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ruhttp:\/\/www.mcc.rsa.ruhttp:\/\/www.energia.ruhttp:\/\/www.samspace.ruhttp:\/\/www.tvroscosmos.ruhttp:\/\/www.spacelaunchreport.comhttp:\/\/weatherbug.comhttp:\/\/www.good-stuff.co.uk\/suntimes\/sunmap.php", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.73211904Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-12-06T20:06:13+0000", "id": "a2d7ab63678c9fa8e7eefd5224a4ec30", "post_id": "post-251332", "text": "SPACE.com:How NASA's Curiosity Rover Will Study Building Blocks of LifeAviation Week:Mars Probe Heads Toward Gale Crater", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.627666176Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-14T02:09:35+0100", "id": "9eaf459abfa394af9f0814cc5a7e27fb", "post_id": "post-220852", "text": "How about a sacrificial ballute? If properly mounted they could take the load of aerocapture, then be detached... And it looked really cool in 2010 surrounding the Leonov.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.582826496Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-08-07T10:17:40+0100", "id": "648c78cc329ba39ecc1ea1e2da4656b6", "post_id": "post-220205", "text": "The amount of fissionable material required for a rocket would be much less than that required to run a nuclear power plant for an entire city. There is also the fact this would not be for making a profit on the power production as with uranium mines but just for producing propellant.\n\nExcept, if you're aiming for a profit, you have to make that profit somehow. If you just add uranium production for nuclear rockets to the chain, it doesn't help- it makes it worse.It isn't a viable operation. Not nearly. Not even with $100\/kg. If you had $100\/kg, you'd be better off educating people and just shipping a reactor to the Moon instead!I'll show in an upcoming post you can make a small SSTO using currently existing engines and stages about the size of the smallest of the very light or personal jets:\n\nErOne thing I've learnt is that you can't just ascribe maths to everything. Well, technically you can, but you always have to realise the engineering limitations, for example.And the other thing is that you need to add mass to create a spacecraft. You need seperate power generation systems. You need an RCS. You need thermal control and a TPS for reentry!You would add literally tons to your vehicle.You can't have a fighter-jet sized SSTO, even with nuclear propulsion. I realised this when I did ROCS. I knew it was going to be large potentially larger than STS- but I didn't exactly know how large. If I used LH2 as propellant, it would have been absolutely huge.This is for a spacecraft supposed to carry six people and 4 tons of cargo to LEO. I believe it was somewhere around 70 meters long by the end of it.In your calculations, you would need a very large vehicle (Think of Skylon, which isn't small at all), with very complex and maintenance heavy engines.\n\nSkylon is large just in dimensional terms because it uses LH2 as fuel. You could make the vehicle a good deal smaller if you used something like methane, but you would of course take a performance hit...you could either haul two second stages with a vehicle of the size of the Skylon (and very expensive technology) or a single second stage with more user-friendly hardware\n\nDo you really have to slash your performance by half to get 'more user-friendly hardware'?What is the cutoff point for 'user-friendly'? How user friendly do you have to be? Is it absolutely guaranteed that an SSTO would not be 'user-friendly'?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.873492992Z", "author": "Mandella", "date": "2012-08-06T06:35:11+0100", "id": "5149db708d1b7ad0e7b79f31690e4ea7", "post_id": "post-251608", "text": "Images coming down!!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65077632Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-11T04:30:01+0100", "id": "f08762d55e3fc12a43fa41bddcba5d5e", "post_id": "post-221037", "text": "Izack said:Maybe the mods could set up our own little section? (Pretty please?)\n\npleaaaaassssee?We do have the social group, where we can make threads. It doesn't seem like many people check up on that though...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560839424Z", "author": "Matrix Aran", "date": "2012-06-02T07:07:08+0100", "id": "5368de3b330b06a90c7fefd184006f1b", "post_id": "post-220375", "text": "RGClark said:I assume you mean reusable TSTOs since we already have TSTOs. SpaceX is working on reusable TSTOs. The Air Force is nearly there since they want to make the first stage reusable.However, as is well known SSTO's have the characteristic that if refueled in LEO then they can fly to the Moon, land, lift off and fly back to Earth on that one single fuel load. This is not true of TSTO's where the upper stage might only get, say, a delta-v of 6,000 m\/s.So if one did have his own private, SSTO vehicle, then with propellant depots he would also have his own private lunar vehicle.See discussion here:SSTO's would have made possible Arthur C. Clarke's vision of 2001.http:\/\/exoscientist.blogspot.com\/2012\/05\/sstos-would-have-made-possible-arthur-c.htmlBob Clark\n\nBegging your pardon, but I'm having trouble here. If you can refuel the SSTO and go to the moon, why not develop a TSTO that can be refueled in orbit and also go to the moon. Surely it would have the advantage of being a smaller mass being sent to the moon?Which then begs another question, how would you get the fuel up there in the first place?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.99972864Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2012-08-31T17:19:34+0100", "id": "3423c1434eca8eb79ec9efba42dd8dd6", "post_id": "post-251904", "text": "Ripley said:I thought this new deserved a post.\n\nI dont think so. I don't understand why people talk so much about this, it's a bit annoying, I dont care about his hair and how he wants it to be seen. It seems there is a problem with that haircut, he is just another employer. The one thing Im happy about is that it seems that people of JPL doesnt care about the aspect of his employers and we should do the same. But of course its a thing that people like and will be shared around the internet.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.08706048Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2012-04-22T17:54:43+0100", "id": "8da97da8ec1a1c171440167fd04a4499", "post_id": "post-219564", "text": "Andy44 said:Can't you use an old SLR camera lens? Lots of DSLRs can shoot IR, and IR film is used in film SLRs as well.BTW, way cool project. You've always been one of Orbiter Forum's resident MacGyvers!\n\nThere's IR and there's IR. And a lot of confusion on which IR is which IR.Silicon cameras (all consumer ones) are sensitive only up to about 1000nm, the NIR band.Then goes the SWIR band, up to 3000nm.At about 2500nm glass ceases to be transparent.Long-range IR communications are in 1000-2000nm.Air is opaque in 1.9um (H2O absorption), and in 2.5 to 3um (CO2 absorption).After that we are going into thermal IR radiation, starting at the MWIR band - 3000nm to 8000nm.There the soldering irons are light bulbs and humans are glow bugs.Quartz glass have a small transparency window around 3500nm, where my sensor is.But Silicon, Germanium, ZnSe are the most commonly used materials with transmission in all longer IR bands (1.1um to 7um for Si).Air is very transparent around 3.4um, the MWIR window, a little between 4.5 and 5.5, and opaque everywhere else.Below goes LWIR band, the ambient and below-zero thermal, extending down to 1000 microns, followed by Thz and microwaves.Thermographic cameras are MWIR and LWIR, photographic white-trees-black-sky IR cameras are NIR.If latter were sensitive to thermal IR, why would thermographic cameras cost multiple kilodollars per 0.016 megapixel and millions of dollars for 1-4 megapixels?", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.637609216Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-20T00:47:38+0100", "id": "84f438d85388b4f39ab5b260f17412f7", "post_id": "post-220923", "text": "Or possibly this monster: [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4527\"]Jarvis Heavy Launch Vehicle[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.013418752Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-12-05T23:32:25+0000", "id": "dc99d4ddc52432d7995059695e2b707f", "post_id": "post-252047", "text": "orb said:SPACE.com:Mars Rover Curiosity Gets Mission Extension\n\nSurprised it happened so early in the mission.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.44165888Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-04-30T11:13:33+0100", "id": "039a09b916766f008393ad54fac2d038", "post_id": "post-219831", "text": "Intel's latest chipsets which basically completely lockout Nvidia or other companies from building chipsets for the latest i3 i5 and i7 platforms.", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62119168Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-05-10T14:13:04+0100", "id": "7af5491d22b6262767d28e7e456e7c62", "post_id": "post-220791", "text": "Salun said:You know guys if we're gonna do this. Do you think it would be a good idea to say tell say NASA or ESA what were doing? Lets face it a bunch of teenagers and space enthusiasts doing a real time Mars Mission. Highly unlikely but may in small ways they could even help us out with the project. NASA's always interested in new ways to get good PR\n\nUntil you have an actual mission plan with the details, crew and processes all worked out I don't think this is a good idea and right now I see a lot of thoughts and ideas but no structure.If you are going to do this then can I suggest setting up a website some where with documentation, checklists, backgound, etc.Checkout JPL's pages for an example of the sort of thing I'm talking about.http:\/\/www.jpl.nasa.gov\/missions\/index.cfm", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.038730496Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2014-02-03T10:36:38+0000", "id": "dc443434480b6f93f80e867e2c46ca82", "post_id": "post-252150", "text": "The wheels are wearing out at a faster than expected rate. Sure, they could have made them far more durable for minimal weight increase. But that's not the intention. The wheels (it has been said) is one of the fail-safe \"timers\" used to prevent the mission from dragging on and on. Except they're failing sooner than later.They don't want to end up with a functional rover that's living for 10 years again. Believe it or not, there are plenty people that want Oppy to die asap.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.351654656Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-28T02:43:31+0100", "id": "7dba70556076f433c4f8e1e2b10f7276", "post_id": "post-219769", "text": "when i update my directx to new version,like directx 9.0c(4.09.0000.0904) or other version .i run orbiter 20091124 beta in fullscreen mode , and the screen will flash.why ?and what will i domy videocard is intel945GMIntegrated graphics", "thread_id": 14040 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.647574272Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-08T18:45:13+0100", "id": "2245a60fa231e7e80778e785085030f4", "post_id": "post-221010", "text": "Voyager said:Urwumpe, I am this close to not making meshes for this project.:blahblah:\n\nDiscuss this with the program manager. I am just the janitor here.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.874038528Z", "author": "ADSWNJ", "date": "2012-08-06T06:35:47+0100", "id": "b973c22a468e2704a1a321fd856d0032", "post_id": "post-251612", "text": "Phenomenal achievement for NASA JPL. Congrats to all.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.466998016Z", "author": "rseferino", "date": "2010-05-03T18:43:47+0100", "id": "3934daf58e46d514d54c185cd3cdad1a", "post_id": "post-219916", "text": "Be very good to know. The weekend will I be testing the Add. The launch be on November 12, 2011, and the approach to Mars on July 25, 2012 (Hohmann transfer orbit) that if, spends months before the descent on Phobos and many more to take off and return to Earth.[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=wNxzZ3sf_zo\"]YouTube- Phobos Grunt (\u0424\u043e\u0431\u043e\u0441-\u0413\u0440\u0443\u043d\u0442), Cute as a Fox (Kieran Griffith)[\/nomedia][nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=4xGscFj7j6k\"]YouTube- Phobos-Grunt (\u0424\u043e\u0431\u043e\u0441-\u0413\u0440\u0443\u043d\u0442) Sample Return Mission[\/nomedia]Off topic... Indeed the re-entry capsule will resist? I remember the Genesis.", "thread_id": 14062 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.662968064Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-05-04T06:34:31+0100", "id": "df883285ae8e92d795de21d92c33ad87", "post_id": "post-220626", "text": "One problem I noticed with VesselStack is that even in the default scenario as shown in the photo is that if for some reason the two DGs acting as engines end up with different fuel levels is that you get a lot of twisting under thrust due to the CoG being off centre.Though I guess that's more realistic so not necessarily a bad thing.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.999190528Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-30T10:43:22+0100", "id": "4e9d14d20f0097f489bf05cceb0bbeb4", "post_id": "post-251899", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Rover Leaves Tracks in Morse CodeAugust 29, 2012NASA's Curiosity rover took its first test stroll Wednesday Aug. 22, 2012, and beamed back pictures of its accomplishment in the form of track marks in the Martian soil. Careful inspection of the tracks reveals a unique, repeating pattern, which the rover can use as a visual reference to drive more accurately in barren terrain. The pattern is Morse code for JPL, the abbreviation for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., where the rover was designed and built, and the mission is managed.\"The purpose of the pattern is to create features in the terrain that can be used to visually measure the precise distance between drives,\" said Matt Heverly, the lead rover driver for Curiosity at JPL.{colsp=3}Click on images for details\u200b||Curiosity Leaves Its Mark\u200bThis image shows a close-up of track marks from the first test drive of NASA's Curiosity rover.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|Reading the Rover's Tracks\u200bThe straight lines in Curiosity's zigzag track marks are Morse code for JPL, which is short for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., where the rover was built and the mission is managed.|Curiosity Tracks Its Tracks\u200bThis image shows a close-up of track marks left by NASA's Curiosity rover. Holes in the rover's wheels, seen here in this view, leave imprints in the tracks that can be used to help the rover drive more accurately.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bThis driving tool, called visual odometry, allows the rover to use images of landscape features to determine if it has traveled as far as predicted, or if its wheels have slipped. For example, when the rover drives on high slopes or across loose soil, it will routinely stop to check its progress. By measuring its distance relative to dozens of prominent features like pebbles or shadows on rocks -- or patterns in its tracks -- the rover can check how much its wheels may have slipped. If Curiosity has not slipped too much, it can then re-plan the next leg of its drive, taking its actual position into account.\"Visual odometry will enable Curiosity to drive more accurately even in high-slip terrains, aiding its science mission by reaching interesting targets in fewer sols, running slip checks to stop before getting too stuck, and enabling precise driving,\" said rover driver Mark Maimone, who led the development of the rover's autonomous driving software.The Morse code imprinted on all six wheels will be particularly handy when the terrain is barren. Curiosity won't be able to read the Morse code symbols in the track marks directly, but it will note that the pattern is a high-contrast feature. This will give the rover the anchor it needs in an otherwise featureless terrain.\"Imagine standing in front of a picket fence, and then closing your eyes and shifting to the side. When you open your eyes, you wouldn't be able to tell how many pickets you passed. If you had one picket that was a different shape though, you could always use that picket as your reference,\" said Heverly. \"With Curiosity, it's a similar problem in featureless terrain like sand dunes. The hole pattern in the wheels gives us one 'big picket' to look at.\"NASA's Mars Exploration rovers Spirit and Opportunity also used visual odometry to ensure accurate driving in difficult terrains. Their wheels had been bolted to their landing platform, leaving holes that left distinguishing marks in their tracks. Those marks proved critical for the visual odometry system on Opportunity when it traversed the relatively featureless terrain at Meridian Planum. Opportunity is still trekking on Mars more than eight years after setting down on the Red Planet.Curiosity likewise has holes in its wheels, only in the shape of Morse code letters.\"Even though Curiosity didn't need to be bolted down, we wanted to have the holes anyway. The mechanical team suggested multiple smaller holes rather than one large one like the Mars Exploration Rovers had, and one earlier design had spelled out letters in a cleat pattern, so I proposed using a Morse code version,\" said Maimone. \"And the rest is history.\"{...}NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Curiosity Rover Begins Eastbound Trek on Martian SurfaceAugust 29, 2012PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars rover Curiosity has set off from its landing vicinity on a trek to a science destination about a quarter mile (400 meters) away, where it may begin using its drill.The rover drove eastward about 52 feet (16 meters) on Tuesday, its 22nd Martian day after landing. This third drive was longer than Curiosity's first two drives combined. The previous drives tested the mobility system and positioned the rover to examine an area scoured by exhaust from one of the Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft engines that placed the rover on the ground.\"This drive really begins our journey toward the first major driving destination, Glenelg, and it's nice to see some Martian soil on our wheels,\" said mission manager Arthur Amador of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. \"The drive went beautifully, just as our rover planners designed it.\"{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|Soil clinging to the right middle and rear wheels of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity can be seen in this image taken by the Curiosity's Navigation Camera after the rover's third drive on Mars.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b|On Aug. 28, 2012, during the 22nd Martian day, or sol, after landing on Mars, NASA's Curiosity rover drove about 52 feet (16 meters) eastward, the longest drive of the mission so far.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bGlenelg is a location where three types of terrain intersect. Curiosity's science team chose it as a likely place to find a first rock target for drilling and analysis.\"We are on our way, though Glenelg is still many weeks away,\" said Curiosity Project Scientist John Grotzinger of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. \"We plan to stop for just a day at the location we just reached, but in the next week or so we will make a longer stop.\"During the longer stop at a site still to be determined, Curiosity will test its robotic arm and the contact instruments at the end of the arm. At the location reached Tuesday, Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam) will collect a set of images toward the mission's ultimate driving destination, the lower slope of nearby Mount Sharp. A mosaic of images from the current location will be used along with the Mastcam images of the mountain taken at the spot where Curiosity touched down, Bradbury Landing. This stereo pair taken about 33 feet (10 meters) apart will provide three-dimensional information about distant features and possible driving routes.{...}Universe Today:Mars Trek begins for CuriositySpaceRef:Curiosity Begins Eastbound TrekDiscovery News:Mars Rover Hits the RoadSPACE.com:Mars Rover Snaps Test Shot Near Landing Site (Photo)Mars Rover Curiosity Begins 1st Long Martian Drive", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.556941056Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-04T21:13:57+0000", "id": "9672c8b3b31621fc8312fe7ef0d7afd4", "post_id": "post-220329", "text": "T.Neo said:I would say there is much more than little debate. The disadvantages of SSTO- a larger vehicle and more intensive technology, will increase operating as well as development costs.\n\nWhat I am considering as the primary benefit of SSTO's is the use of small, privately owned manned spacecraft to make space access routine. In the example in my prior postifyou had the aerospike nozzle on the Falcon 9 first stage then you could lift a Dragon size capsule.The payload capacity of this reusable SSTO version of the Falcon 9 would be less than a reusable two stage Falcon 9 but you don't want it for lifting large cargo anyway. Both cases would have the operational costs of reusability, but the SSTO version would not have the added purchase costs of the second stage nor its added operational costs.An extensive discussion of the economic benefits of reusable SSTO's is presented in the book:Halfway to Anywhere: Achieving America's Destiny In Space.by G. Harry Stinehttp:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Halfway-Anywhere-Achieving-Americas-Destiny\/dp\/0871318059Stine was an engineer who worked on the DC-X program.Also, I was considering the costs benefits of the SSTO's even if they were only used to lift smaller payloads. However, analysis done by Dietrich Koelle suggests that the development and operational costs of a reusable SSTO will be less than a reusable TSTO even for the case where they lift the same payload:COST ENGINEERING \u2013 THE NEW PARADIGM FOR SPACE LAUNCH VEHICLE DESIGN.by Dietrich KoelleAbstract. The paper describes the basic definition and application of \u2018Cost Engineering\u2019 which means to design a vehicle system for minimum development cost and\/or for minimum operations cost. This is important now and for the future since space transportation has become primarily a commercial business in contrast to the past where it has been mainly a subject of military power and national prestige. Several examples are presented for minimum-cost space launch vehicle configurations, such as increasing vehicle size and\/or the use of less efficient rocket engines in order to reduce development and operations cost.Further a cost comparison is presented on single-stage (SSTO)-vehicles vs. two-stage launchers which shows that SSTOs have lower development and operations cost although they are larger, respectively have a higher lift-off mass than two-stage vehicles with the same performance.The design of a space tourism-dedicated launch vehicle is an extreme challenge for a cost-engineered vehicle design in order to achieve cost per seat not higher than $50 000. Finally an outlook is presented on the different options for manned Earth-to-Moon transportation modes and vehicles \u2013 another most important application of \u2018cost engineering\u2019, taking into account the large cost of such a future venture.http:\/\/faculty.kfupm.edu.sa\/AE\/hmomar\/Air_Launcher_Project\/Cost_Engineering.pdfBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.169015552Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-05T22:28:25+0100", "id": "bdfdb824f67fe3b140075e293a6dec52", "post_id": "post-219687", "text": "george7378 said:I have just started reading these launch reports - very good jobs, Pete and SiberianTiger! I really think the Soyuz and Progress are beautiful craft - Soichi's pictures really make it look great. Also, I have wondered - is it possible to see Soyuz and Progress from the ground - I cannot find any pictures or tracking data for any of them.Thanks.\n\nThanks, George!:cheers:It is possible to see Soyuz and Progress from the ground - I've seen them trailing the ISS many times! They don\u2019t usually publish tracking data for Soyuz and Progress, but the easiest thing to do is to get tracking data for the ISS, and Soyuz\/Progress will be following about ~1 minute behind it!", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.49212928Z", "author": "thomasantony", "date": "2008-05-27T14:19:29+0100", "id": "e750f500555dd0f4f1f68375d68a8896", "post_id": "post-69062", "text": "Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger, the German rocket scientist, passed away on May 25, at the age of 94. He was one of the pioneers of electric propulsion.http:\/\/www.efluxmedia.com\/news_Ernst_Stuhlinger_Leaves_This_World_But_His_Dream_Continues_18120.htmlThere was also a thread in this forum regarding a letter he wrote about \"Why Explore Space?\"http:\/\/www.resonancepub.com\/space.htmRIP~Thomas", "thread_id": 1632 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663716864Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T16:43:54+0100", "id": "2719928534bdcda7228d656e8243a303", "post_id": "post-220635", "text": "Ah, anyone get the NERVA2 working? I can't get it into the scenario...I built a preliminary stack, just to demonstrate what I meant. It's just the rear section, as the other bits haven't been ironed out. I had to use a tanker instead of a NERVA, because it has an engine and propellant tanks and looks better than nothing. I don't want to be pushed to Mars by a tanker. I included two possible configurations. (The first one seems better, though.)PS: Sorry, Urwumpe.;)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.570183936Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2013-11-19T19:01:16+0000", "id": "6f8e89fa30eb10b70312c2acc910ade7", "post_id": "post-220459", "text": "Man, I don't get that irrational Cult of Musk. :idk:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.49547776Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-09-01T14:36:58+0100", "id": "02d543bb401196504280f1cc0e60a6d6", "post_id": "post-252689", "text": "gotta love read-heads:cheers:- i would know, being practically \"married\" to one :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16320 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.8181824Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-26T21:05:49+0100", "id": "7fdcf6cefb8cf25bd33cb58fb03578ff", "post_id": "post-219370", "text": "Sun Tzu said: In the operations of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand mile, the expenditure at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men.When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be damped. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength.Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain.Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.The skillful soldier does not raise a second levy, neither are his supply-wagons loaded more than twice.Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy. Thus the army will have food enough for its needs.Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes prices to go up; and high prices cause the people's substance to be drained away.When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions.With this loss of substance and exhaustion of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare, and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated;While government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses, breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields, protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons, will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.Hence a wise general makes a point of foraging on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy's provisions is equivalent to twenty of one's own, and likewise a single picul of his provender is equivalent to twenty from one's own store.Now in order to kill the enemy, our men must be roused to anger; that there may be advantage from defeating the enemy, they must have their rewards.Therefore in chariot fighting, when ten or more chariots have been taken, those should be rewarded who took the first. Our own flags should be substituted for those of the enemy, and the chariots mingled and used in conjunction with ours. The captured soldiers should be kindly treated and kept.This is called, using the conquered foe to augment one's own strength.In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.Thus it may be known that the leader of armies is the arbiter of the people's fate, the man on whom it depends whether the nation shall be in peace or in peril.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.670813696Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T23:54:17+0100", "id": "a0b65f9bd4feb72585a9d6ad98a411c1", "post_id": "post-220698", "text": ":)That's ok, I don't think anyone would want to call it \"bloodworth is awesome\" either:D", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.63470208Z", "author": "4throck", "date": "2010-09-07T10:27:06+0100", "id": "417f85bf0c2888a0af7a160b5d4570ff", "post_id": "post-253035", "text": "River Crab said:...Wow. I could've swore I did that. ...\n\nIt really depends on what keywords you search. Buran cockpit \/ instruments \/ panels all give different results. Sometimes the image search is better, other times the sites with images option is better. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16342 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.834126336Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-05-01T16:45:42+0100", "id": "87c6996f5c07361aceb9a838206e9778", "post_id": "post-219446", "text": "The early Soviet interplanetary probes, including the most successful, Zond 3, which would have reached Mars if Mars had been there...", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.41031296Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-28T15:51:03+0100", "id": "f61b26d11a344d3dc141bde7635b1d6f", "post_id": "post-219805", "text": "b-rad said:1.) Angara2.) Titan3.) H-II4.) Falcon 15.) Falcon 56.) GSLV\n\n1. Has no public MPG anymore, was hosted on ILS for a while, but is now gone.2. The Titan does no longer fly and was never used for commercial launches. maybe you can find a NASA contributor report about the vibrations.3. Not available for public, need to email JAXA Space Transportation Services for that.4.&5. SpaceX:http:\/\/spacex.com\/falcon9.phpNote that the Falcon 5 is no longer in development, it got scrubbed for working on the Falcon 9.6. Only via Email to ISRO.", "thread_id": 14046 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.764892416Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-27T10:48:01+0100", "id": "bf5e5f6084dbf3eefb8af05fde3fd724", "post_id": "post-251424", "text": "ESA:Call for Media: Mars Express supports NASA\u2019s Curiosity landing27 July 2012ESA PR 24-2012 - Media representatives are invited to ESA\u2019s operations centre in Germany on Monday, 6 August, to follow ESA's Mars Express supporting the entry, descent and landing of NASA\u2019s Mars Science Laboratory.On 6 August, NASA\u2019s Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) is set to deliver the Curiosity rover onto the Red Planet\u2019s surface.The landing in Gale Crater will mark the start of an ambitious exploration programme studying Mars\u2019 habitability, climate and geology and collecting data for a future human mission to Mars.Click on image to enlarge\u200bCuriosity landing target: Gale Crater\u200bCredits: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/ESA\/DLR\/FU Berlin\/MSSS\u200bDuring MSL\u2019s critical entry, descent and landing phase, approximately 06:15-07:30 CEST, ESA\u2019s Mars Express orbiter will perform a complex tracking operation.The European spacecraft will be in an ideal position to record signals from the NASA lander to help scientists reconstruct the entry and landing profile to improve our understanding of the Red Planet\u2019s atmosphere.Confirmation of touchdown by NASA is set for 07:31 CEST.Click on image to enlarge\u200bDiagram showing the overall geometry when Mars Express tracks signals from NASA's MSL during its arrival at Mars.Credits: NASA\/ESA\u200bESA\u2019s tracking and data recording by Mars Express will be a crucial back-up to NASA's own tracking efforts.The Agency's ground network of 35 m-diameter deep-space antennas will also support the landing, standing by as \u2018hot back-up\u2019 to NASA\u2019s own deep-space network.{...}Programme: 06:00-09:00 CEST06:00 Doors open06:30 Opening by Thomas Reiter, ESA Director for Human Spaceflight and Operations, Head of ESOC06:35 Europe at Mars: Eight years of Mars Express science by Mark McCaughrean, ESA Head of Research and Science Support06:50 Profile: Mars Express support to NASA MSL by Michel Denis, Mars Express Spacecraft Operations Manager07:05 Watch NASA TV live coverage of MSL EDL, moderated by Paolo Ferri, ESA Head of Planetary Mission Operations07:31 Confirmation of MSL landing on Mars (planned)07:50 Programme wrap-up by Manfred Warhaut, Head of ESA Mission Operations Department08:00 Interview opportunities, Q&A09:00 End{...}Live web streamingOn 6 August, expert briefings and technical activities at ESA\u2019s operations centre will also be streamed live online (06:30\u201308:00 CEST) viawww.livestream.com\/eurospaceagency.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.667104512Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T05:03:07+0100", "id": "5e50d7dc9112e7a24b88852bbf245538", "post_id": "post-220665", "text": "Aries...Ares...I'm not sure which one's correct. At any rate, it makes more sense than Sagittarius, which just came off the top of my head.Although...by this reasoning wouldn't Apollo be a mission to Mercury?I was thinking we'd have OFMM in bold near the bottom of the patch, with Ar(i)es curved over the top, and the monikers of whoever flies the mission curved around the sides and bottom. Perhaps as a symbol we could have the Stack and the Arrow crossed with Mars in the background?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.58430208Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-08-17T14:52:29+0100", "id": "d4fd17670dcf086bd5da66dc967de71f", "post_id": "post-220219", "text": "Urwumpe said:How did my old professor teach me, there is no better way to deceive somebody than by mathematics... lets see...page 2, equation 1, already rocket equation done wrong. Ka-pow.[math]w \\cdot \\ln{\\frac{m_0}{m_1}} < w \\cdot \\ln{\\left ( 1 + \\frac{m_0}{m_1} \\right )}[\/math]Interestingly, this error doesn't really matter, because they investigate on the following pages something else than what you claim.Let me quote, because you obviously didn't even bother readingandunderstanding it.This implies that for a fixed propellant volume, not as much propellant can be carried as for a higher density propellant.Fixed propellant volume. of course this will automatically favor something with a higher energy density, as long as the gains in density exceed the loss of performance.But practically, propellant volume is rarely fixed during early design. Not even for those rockets that start with it as design constraint.\n\nThat eq. 1 is on page 3 in this version of the paper downloadable from the authors site. It actually says this:[math]\\Delta{v} = v_e \\cdot \\ln{\\left ( 1 + \\frac{m_p}{m_f} \\right )}[\/math]Here, the m_p represents the propellant mass and m_f is the final mass, i.e., vehicle dry mass + payload. This is a common way of writing the rocket equation for doing calculations because you can plug in different values for the payload in only one position to see how high you can make it and still reach the delta-v for orbit.The author reaches the conclusion that LH2\/LOX is theworstpropellant combination because of its low density despite its high Isp, and gives some examples that would work better:A Flexible Reusable Space Transportation System.Steven S. Pietrobon, Member, BIS.Some comment needs to be made as to why O2\/H2 has been traditionally chosen for SSTO vehicles, whereas we have come to the opposite conclusion, that O2\/H2 is the worst combination (atleast for VTHL). We believe this is due to historical reasons where it was initially recognised thatthe high exhaust speed of O2\/H2 gave significant payload increases when used in the second stage.It could have easily been thought that this advantage could flow into the first stage as has been demonstrated by the many single and two stage vehicles designed using O2\/H2.As we have shown, this is not true. For the first stage of a multistage vehicle, the propellant impulse density is the most important factor. O2\/H2 has a poor impulse density and thus makes a poor18first stage propellant. For NSTO or SSTO, high impulse density propellants are still desirable, although the highest impulse density propellants may not give the best performance.\n\np. 17The equation that shows the acceleration is increased with smaller Isp, and so smaller time required for the period where gravity drag is operating, is equation 4 on page 14.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.986654464Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-17T09:37:15+0100", "id": "29b4b2f895504dfd0517b04673d22047", "post_id": "post-251826", "text": "The descent sequence is still missing a lot of frames, but it's still amazing in high definition nonetheless:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.584672Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-08-24T20:39:28+0100", "id": "fae9a3b64b1cec2392b17846e2fac032", "post_id": "post-220224", "text": "Also, what T.Neo did not mention yet: Ground infrastructure is also part of your vehicle costs. Even for aircraft, though the costs there are more indirectly hidden already because of the huge infrastructure available for aircraft. For spacecraft, such kind of infrastructure still has to be build up.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.819826944Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-27T11:34:47+0100", "id": "1c733b2720a5f9f31e9f5a90e556e30b", "post_id": "post-219384", "text": "T.Neo said:Again, it makes very little sense to get resources from an earthlike planet.\n\nWhy not? Earth's tectonic activity is good for exposing deep residing core metals and metamorphic minerals.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.990112256Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2012-08-22T09:57:30+0100", "id": "f0057d11bda66d9bbb126d9fab52d8f1", "post_id": "post-251854", "text": "Afraid I can't read the Italian page...however I see from the first linkMARS SCIENCE LABORATORY\/CURIOSITYCustomers: NASA, EADS AstriumRover Environmental Monitoring System ASICProgramme completed\n\nI'm guessing ASIC is Application Specific Integrated Circuit.Maybe the Prime Contractor is Spain, with that company supplying ICs?Probably the BBC got it wrong, they are fairly rubbish on science these days.EDIT: just noticed the article is by Jonathan Amos, he's usually quite good.Looks like JA is correct:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/mission_pages\/msl\/multimedia\/pia13646.htmlN.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.585191936Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-06T22:17:10+0100", "id": "ef82f925cc3c3266916d4b428d66ea88", "post_id": "post-220230", "text": "RGClark said:The point of the matter is that if you use highly weight optimized structures and high efficiency engines at the same time then what you wind up with will be a SSTO capable stage. The Ariane 5 core stage is another weight optimized structure using common bulkhead design for its propellant tanks. The Ariane 5 core stage will also become SSTO if using high efficiency SSME's instead of the Vulcain engines.The specifications of the Ariane 5 are given here:Ariane 5 Data Sheet.http:\/\/www.spacelaunchreport.com\/ariane5.htmlThe Ariane 5 generic \"G\" version could be lofted by a single SSME. It's gross mass is listed as 170 mT, and the propellant mass as 158 mT, for a dry mass of 12 mT. The Vulcain engine is listed on this page as weighing 1,700 kg:Vulcain - Specifications.http:\/\/www.spaceandtech.com\/spacedata\/engines\/vulcain_specs.shtmlSwitching to a heavier SSME engine would add 1.4 mT to the vehicle dry mass, so to 13.4 mT for the dry mass. Using a 425s average Isp again for the SSME, this would allow a 6,000 kg payload:425*9.8ln(1 + 158\/(13.4+6)) = 9,218 m\/s.We wish to use this for a man-rated vehicle though. The Ariane 5 was originally intended to be man-rated using the Hermes spaceplane to carry crew. However, it's not certain the degree this was followed-through when the Hermes was canceled.As with the Ares I upper stage, there are means to increase the payload capacity. Subcooled densification allows 10% greater propellant to be carried, so then 10% greater mass can be lofted to orbit. This brings the total lofted weight from 19.4 mT to 21.3 mT. This extra weight can go to extra payload, so from 6 mT to about 8 mT in payload.The Ariane 5 uses an aluminum alloy, but not the aluminum-lithium alloy being used now for the lightest weight designs. Switching to aluminum-lithium allows approx. 10% weight saving over the previous aluminum alloy. The structural mass sans the SSME engine is 10.3 mT, so about 1 mT would be saved that could go to extra payload.I also mentioned before thenew research that suggests 10% to 20% can be saved in structural massbecause of overly conservative design now used. This would be another 1 mT that could be saved off the dry weight. These weight savings could go to extra payload, bringing the payload capacity to 10 mT.ESA appears to be amenable to adapting the Ariane 5 core stage for other uses, considering its agreement with ATK to use it for an upper stage. So NASA or a private company should be able to make an agreement with the ESA to use it for this purpose, based on getting sufficient financing. In this regard, to get a prototype done at low cost I suggest using the RD-0120 russian analogue of the SSME's. These are in mothballs and probably can be obtained at greatly reduced price. As a point of comparison the NK-33 was mothballed by the russians and Aerojet was able to buy 36 of them for only $1.1 million each(!) Aerojets version of the NK-33 is now on track to be used by Orbital Sciences on their Taurus II launcher.Then the Ariane 5 core version of this SSTO has the advantage over the Ares I upper stage and S-IVB versions in being already built and in current use. It also has now the capability when powered by an SSME or RD-0120 to launch a SpaceX Dragon sized spacecraft to orbit without having to use special fuel densifying or lightweighting methods.NASA has said they want to support commercial space. Support for this launcher would allow for a small, relatively low cost launcher that would permit independent private companies to launch their own manned, or cargo flights to space.\n\nHere's how you can get an all European manned SSTO using the Ariane 5 core stage and Vulcain engines this time. Note that this is one that can be produced from currently existing components, aside from the capsule, so at least an unmanned prototype vehicle can be manufactured and tested in the short term and at lowered development cost.We'll use three Vulcain 2's instead of the 1 normally used with the Ariane 5 core stage. There are varying specifications given on the Vulcain 2 depending on the source. I'll use the Astronautix site:Vulcain 2.http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/engines\/vulcain2.htmFrom the sea level thrust given there, using three Vulcain 2's will give us one engine out capability. The weight is given as 1,800 kg. So adding on two will take the dry mass from 12 mT to 15.6 mT.To calculate the delta-V achieved I'll use the idea again to just use the vacuum Isp, but adding the loss due to back pressure onto the delta-V required for orbit, as I explained in post#136. However, here for hydrogen fuel which has higher gravity loss, I'll use a higher required delta-V of 9,400 m\/s when you add on the back pressure loss. With the vacuum Isp given for the Vulcain 2 of 434 s, we get an payload of 3.8 mT:434*9.8ln(1+158\/(15.6+3.8)) = 9,412 m\/s.Note this is just using the standard nozzle Isp for the Vulcain, no altitude compensation. So this could be tested, like, tomorrow.However, for a SSTO you definitely want to use altitude compensation. Using those engine performance programs such as ProPEP we can calculate that using long nozzles, you can get a vacuum Isp of 470 s for this engine. This means if you use altitude compensation you can get a comparable Isp. This allows us to get payload of 8 mT:470*9.8ln(1+158\/(15.6+8) = 9,400 m\/s.This will allow us to add a Dragon-sized capsule and also the reentry and landing systems to make it reusable.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.080713984Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-07-19T07:32:35+0100", "id": "ab507eff0b201e053ffe2cb6c34f7b8e", "post_id": "post-219526", "text": "Unstung said:Does the V System shoot film or digital (then wouldn't it be a DSLR)?\n\nIt can be used with either film or digital, depending on the back you put on it. They also have a Polaroid back.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.672781312Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2008-06-11T16:17:01+0100", "id": "8879e9b24c975b8a3a9312426900459d", "post_id": "post-69089", "text": "Yes, I'll mantain it! But I need someone to put the mps files in the project, and then use the fucts in the GPCs... Then as I update the files I'll just send someone the updated files to replace them in the SVN. (for now internet access is a little... less than perfect...)And about the switches, I'll study the discsignals!Also one thing I keep forgetting to ask: Who creates the ET?", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.471894784Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-29T23:07:11+0100", "id": "0c9366f6d0a2787168c080ff2972a4e3", "post_id": "post-219918", "text": "In the beginning there was gravity, but man discovered he needed money to defeat gravity, and he tried to make more and more money, until he forgot about defeating gravity...", "thread_id": 14063 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.667525888Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-05T05:26:44+0100", "id": "267b032665e246eeb4d4db85deb1358d", "post_id": "post-220669", "text": "How about we call it, \"Pablo is Awesome\" Eh? And we can name our airlock after Urwumpe. :lol:On a serious note: I like Cygnus as a name. Also, I can probably lend a hand making a mesh or two. Preferably if I can get some designs for whatever mesh (I don't wish to design them myself.:))", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.476864256Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-09-01T10:50:29+0100", "id": "2b4aec8e11bc112c340364979a033f88", "post_id": "post-252639", "text": "Thanks again Urwumpe, we've had this thread conversation before!What I find hard to visualise is the amount of gaseous Oxygen being continually generated in flight.I can't find any mechanism to regulate this, I can only guess that its just a restricted orifice from the main LOX pipe to the heat-exchanger? Whatever comes out of the heat-exchanger is fed to the top of the tank, and the M5 is continously dumping excess presure.N.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.562469888Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-06-05T16:41:34+0100", "id": "0cb7b82c481273e8e049c275250d3484", "post_id": "post-220400", "text": "RGClark said:Do have a link for the ATV refueling procedure?\n\nNot for that, only for the time. But as said above the refueling system is mostly unchanged since Salyut 6. Components and materials have been modernized for the ISS compared to Mir, but not the architecture.http:\/\/www.esa.int\/esaMI\/ATV\/SEMEJGRHKHF_0.htmlI recommend reading the ISS reference guide for general information there, it describes the propellant storage system of the ISS in brief.http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/pdf\/508318main_ISS_ref_guide_nov2010.pdf", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.561882368Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-06-04T14:31:42+0100", "id": "171b8347efc974a4c81660df54d0b7cb", "post_id": "post-220392", "text": "Notebook said:From RGClark #313 above.Don't forget the slingatron:http:\/\/www.slingatron.com\/spacelaunch.htmThough it may make you dizzy at launch...N.\n\nThanks for the link. I had heard of the Slingatron but I had thought the projectiles were accelerated by EM fields. So I thought it was in a similar class to the railgun or coilgun. But apparently they are accelerated mechanically, like someone twirling around a bob at the end of a string, which is a different type of launch process.Bob Clark---------- Post added at 09:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:27 AM ----------Matrix Aran said:Doesn't space flight have to become routine before people will trust it enough to own personal vehicles to orbit? This is starting to sound like the story about the chicken and egg.\n\nThat's not how it happened in the aircraft industry, which is another reason why such vehicles need to be privately developed aside from the fact the development costs can by cut by 90%(!)Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.532614144Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-05-28T09:17:47+0100", "id": "607c78806f915d1b34f9e7d301f47be2", "post_id": "post-69067", "text": "Master of Blades said:But what would happen to the ET?\n\nGone with the wind.", "thread_id": 1633 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65506432Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-06-14T01:59:02+0100", "id": "84c396f32a83160545b644a0cadccb11", "post_id": "post-221079", "text": "For reasons of not cluttering up the forum (like what has happened to this thread) I am in favor of only allowing those in charge to post new threads.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.563597312Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-07-26T21:24:15+0100", "id": "96eca1082d556a0f8904575194bee713", "post_id": "post-220412", "text": "Zero is not better than Zero.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.641638912Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-06T20:57:58+0100", "id": "91a934a9e1d85e12e2e378ea812723d0", "post_id": "post-253061", "text": "Discovery News: \"Spacecraft to Fly Into the Sun\".UAHuntsville Will Team With America's Top Scientists For 'Defining' Mission In Solar Physics.", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.665129216Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-05T00:21:00+0100", "id": "ddfe126ea46f3954560ca1a2a62645b3", "post_id": "post-220648", "text": "Izack said:I agree with Pablo and Ashaman. Producing fuel en route will save space mass without cheating much (unchecking 'limited fuel').There is plenty of space available to have fuel production modules and keep the special Mars equipment.\n\nIt would be more along the lines of once we get to Mars, bring down equipment to produce fuel from Mars' resources. Then bring them back up to the Stack (we should name the stack btw.:)) with DG-IV or XR-2s etc. (Instead of how we would have had the Arrow land on the surface to get fuel. The stack stays in orbit.)Well, you are already using SSBB, and it has a com module. It's only a small truss like module with dishes and such on it, I'm not sure if you are looking for something different.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.575170304Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2011-03-04T23:12:03+0000", "id": "959cf8765319d0e21e9f226d36ea4f5c", "post_id": "post-220119", "text": "An SSTO, even expandable one would be advantegous where maximum reliability and safety is needed like manned launches and very expensive payloads.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.921148928Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2012-08-06T06:45:12+0100", "id": "7fe736b92fe8efe627c08cf1525e2e89", "post_id": "post-251630", "text": "Keatah said:Unmanned spacecraft totally rock! If this was a manned mission, it would be over next week. But we now have years to cruise around!\n\nOne of the primary reasons we even have unmanned missions is to pave a path toward manned missions. Also, as N Molson posted, it would be absurd for a manned mission to Mars to last only a week.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.086350592Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-04-19T05:39:03+0100", "id": "b36b339794a6d8f47a1b410dce3f6423", "post_id": "post-219558", "text": "This thread has been down for a while.Most recent, still the first shot I've uploaded using my new wide-aperture lens.I'm glad I caught this moment; it makes the baboon seem human-like.Macro filters.Something for O-F.Earlier photos.Gallery:http:\/\/unstung.deviantart.com\/gallery\/10887137", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.584018176Z", "author": "Fever", "date": "2011-08-15T16:49:02+0100", "id": "de84d879616dcfc823561b83fac41064", "post_id": "post-220215", "text": "Urwumpe's expression of the ascent equation in post 111 lacks a term. In addition to the gravity loss term, drag loss term, and steering loss term, there should be a fourth term for back pressure losses.Most trajectory codes, and in particular the industry-standard POST and OTIS codes, add this fourth term because it accounts for the difference between vacuum thrust and thrust at any given altitude as a delta-V loss rather than a specific impulse loss. When calculations are performed in this fashion, \"Trajectory averaged Isp\" isn't a helpful number. The difference between thrust at a given altitude and vacuum thrust is accounted for on the delta-V part of the budget rather than the Isp. It's a bookkeeping expedient - keeping all the deviations from ideal on one side of the equation.RGClark's understanding of Mitchell Burnside Clapp's argument in post 136 is incomplete. Using the vacuum Isp is industry practice, as explained above, but all that the linked post really claims is that a variety of stages have in excess of 30,000 ft\/s of delta-V, that 30,000 ft\/s is \"SSTO-class\" delta-V, and that many of them use dense propellants. Indeed, the ones using dense propellants are generally smaller than the ones using hydrogen, and while the mass ratios of such stages need to be higher for lower Isp propellants, the increase in propellant density that typically accompanies lower Isp makes that easier to achieve.Burnside Clapp does NOT argue that one should \"Just use 30,000 ft\/s.\" That's the whole point of argument linked in post 106 of this thread. Lower Isp propellants need somewhat less delta-V to orbit because of the reduction in gravity losses. It's about a 1000 ft\/sec advantage. It's nothing to do with density (except for perhaps a modest benefit in reduced drag losses), but just a \"accelerates faster earlier in the trajectory\" effect, which causes the reduction in gravity loss. But lower Isp fuels are generally also denser ones, so you can see how the two concepts get linked together.The conclusion of this line of reasoning is that while a hydrogen-based SSTO might be possible, a clear understanding of the engineering challenges of working with hydrogen and developing a vehicle that uses it might lead a designer to conclude that a dense-propellant, lower-Isp-based SSTO might be an easier engineering challenge, and have other operational advantages.Whether an SSTO is itself a good idea is an entirely separate matter. TSTO's have advantages in gross weight and payload fraction, but the upper stage has to support stage 1 burnout g fully loaded, and the lower stage has to support all that weight at burnout g as well. These conditions impose non-trivial structural penalties. A dispositive answer is design, market, and technology dependent, and while not yet definitive, the evidence at the moment seems to favor a TSTO approach.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.99261568Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-23T07:50:40+0100", "id": "b7318cce72527d1048cbcea13709e20f", "post_id": "post-251876", "text": "What annoys me most: Keatah already knows that rocks kicked up by the landing damaged the sensor, but that is just one possibility now. And he knows what is the best for laying the cable for REMS, without even bothering to ask, what is inside the mast now. Or that such a cable must fail when 5 mm pebbles hit it. And it is sure bad that the ASIC with the sensor surfaces is exposed to the medium that it should measure undisturbed.It is all sloppy work in the eyes of somebody who does a sloppy analysis.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.458689792Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-29T14:58:50+0100", "id": "c082673a31c6beae29e8024aa3f75931", "post_id": "post-219906", "text": "Well, sometimes a large-scale earthquake can be predicted on the same day without much equipment - read about 1906 San Francisco quake, when there were rumblings and shakings hours before the 8.3 magnitude disaster.A good monitoring network of various sensors can usually give you a warning that someplace around there a quake will happen some day around then.I don't know the figures behind these somes, but apparently there is no method reliable enough so far.There are also various speculations, ranging from plausibility of sattelite tracking of specific pre-quake dust clouds and all the way down to shamen and clairvoyants.", "thread_id": 14060 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.823222272Z", "author": "docabn", "date": "2010-04-29T04:25:01+0100", "id": "dbbd72f68b59d9b66e1e148f3cda9267", "post_id": "post-219416", "text": "I think the problem is that our civilization all of them would be destroyed almost instantly simply by their arrival.Imagine that you are a member of a small island tribe and you just figured out how to put a sail on a raft and travel to a nearby island. Of course there are plenty who think who cares we have what we need right here and such; while you are arguing with the leader of your tribe for more manpower and materials to build a better raft an aircraft carrier slides in over the horizon and send a hovercraft full of modern men and women to say hi and ask you mind if they build a shipyard on the far side of your little island.Suddenly your great invention; for that matter any invention your tribe has made seems insignificant. Your creative ideas are all but worthless in the face of vastly superior intelligence. Depending on the structure of your particular civilization, the result may be anything from utter chaos to a gradual blending with the new arrivals.Regardless, your society, your views, your civilization are irrevocably altered simply by the act of contact.Most importantly, anything you might have developed, independent of the visitors is now forever lost.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.012384256Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-11-29T10:27:03+0000", "id": "224d24f75198f98644c0e3ec335b985e", "post_id": "post-252036", "text": "CBS News Space:Mars rover sparks curiosity, but NASA downplays speculationSpaceflight Now:NASA downplays rumors of major Mars rover discoverySPACE.com:Mars Rover Curiosity Celebrates 1st Birthday Off Earth", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.631144192Z", "author": "mc_", "date": "2010-05-17T15:17:09+0100", "id": "d67db3ce6cc46c2646023e77457c1f3e", "post_id": "post-220885", "text": "Izack said:To boldly go where it has not been made convenient by others to do so before...\n\nSounds cool :thumbup:Also, a proper level of pathos detected :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.83351296Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T20:52:40+0100", "id": "0746b582af1912ae671c1e02ad530ca1", "post_id": "post-219441", "text": "I have my own cool concepts to mesh.:p", "thread_id": 14017 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.42367744Z", "author": "Adelanthal", "date": "2010-08-31T21:29:00+0100", "id": "9df76bad36eb46505cda53c63a3b43a9", "post_id": "post-252501", "text": "Using Aerobrake and Basesync, I can drop the lander to a gentle landing right beside an Olympus pad (landing ON the pad auto-fuels, bleh) with enough fuel to achieve orbit and nearly enough to dock with the orbiting bay. Unfortunately, I'm usually popping my parachute through a ball of re-entry plasma and loading several dozen G's while doing so; was wondering if there was an approach that doesn't exhibit these traits.", "thread_id": 16302 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66100608Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-04T02:58:49+0100", "id": "54e92d90810116ca708e0ae00913064c", "post_id": "post-220610", "text": "Izack said:I have a few problems with this plan, most of which involve the Arrow.1. It's unnecessarily large, and carries very little cargo\/personnel for its size (which is 470m, I believe). (those tiny exterior cargo racks in the middle look almost funny...40 little boxes maximum load for such a positivelyenormousvessel)2. It's too futuristic. It's 3 steps away from Star Wars.\n\nIt is large because it has to carry all that fuel and O2;)... And it has all that room for all that crew.Izack said:I was originally inclined to support the Arrow, but after giving some hard thought to the matter I believe an interplanetary stack with equipment to build the MSS is the way to go, at least for the first phase of the operation. Perhaps once it has built the station, the Arrow can be launched.I really have to support the James Cook for this job. It can carry two landers, as well as the station building supplies and tugs to build it without being too enormous (like the Deepstar or Descartes.)I'd say two journeys to establish a foothold: one for the MSS and two initial landings (At Juventae Chasma and Olympus Mons, perhaps?), and one to bring two heavy landers and parts for a permanent base....\n\nAs far as realism goes, how many magnetoplasmadynamic thrusters do you know in current operation on SSTO vessels?;)But yes the Cook vessel would be a good candidate as well. It would also make a good platform to haul the MSS over to Mars. (rather than attatching a large booster rocket to the MSS.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.595683328Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-05-01T23:23:26+0100", "id": "1329933e84820680fe25c8293fab8403", "post_id": "post-220505", "text": "I read he did the CIA a great disservice by not activating the plane's self destruct and not killing himself with a cyanide capsule...", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.550845952Z", "author": "ivan_w", "date": "2010-09-18T17:50:07+0100", "id": "dd7aa39ab0c24547223394bcf3e0875a", "post_id": "post-252889", "text": "#1 : 5829.47Not an exceptional score.. But it was my 4th attempt at docking with the ISS - (2 failed miserably, 1 test run.. And 1 in the Challenge)Here is what I do now :- Start with a low profile ascent (~100K Alt, 380K AP at MECO)- Adjust Ecc at next AP (350\/380 usually good enough)- Align planes (Takes 1 orbit if launch was done right)- Sync orbits At PE if in front or target, AP if behind target-- Adjust PEa\/APa on next AP\/PE to match target Alt-- Adjust APa\/PEa for timing (until <1 Sec) and then wait.. (Or rather Time warp). - When distance <150k, turn to XPDR Docking mode- 30 Secs to RDV, nullify Delta V.. Should be ~2k or so from ISS- Docking : Go within 300m of ISS lined up with docking path, Kill Delta V in RCS Lin mode, Adjust alignment in RCS Rot mode- Then forward in RCS Lin mode until docking.. (I couldn't believe how happy I was when it worked the 1st time !)", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.577070336Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-03-06T00:01:46+0000", "id": "20b5db3633cd740186d2009732a4cc20", "post_id": "post-220140", "text": "For one thing you need a solar panel for the long space mission.\n\nYou need a power source for any space mission. Considering than an SSTO is going to spend at least a day in space if delivering satellites, and multiple days in space if delivering people to a space station or waiting orbital craft (even if it uses only external power while docked), you will need to have a way to generate power... none of the options are zero-mass or zero-volume...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.596897024Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-04T09:44:03+0100", "id": "0d692053293c66059c3061ff9de5fda8", "post_id": "post-220513", "text": "Glad they got that sorted:Corrects the \"Divide by Zero\" problem at Hanoi, at elevations above 45 degree.\n\nN.", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.729859584Z", "author": "Messierhunter", "date": "2011-11-28T14:50:18+0000", "id": "c2a65a81b00fc96ba3556f88d8024879", "post_id": "post-251316", "text": "deadshot462 said:Great launch, good luck MSL.When will NASA add MSL\/Curiosity to its \"Eyes on the Solar System\" program?Is there another way to track of its current location?\n\nJPL's HORIZONS system can provide you with the data on its predicted position based on the pre-launch planning trajectory.http:\/\/ssd.jpl.nasa.gov\/horizons.cgiThat's how I acquired it about 9 hours after the second MECO. I also generated an orbital solution based on observational data of its position, and it agrees pretty well with the pre-launch planning trajectory.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611116288Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-06T02:09:07+0100", "id": "5aa038a69dbdb735bffaf618f2a87d5e", "post_id": "post-220704", "text": "You're not very optimistic for the future of spaceflight, are you? :lol:Seriously though, I think 2082 or 2129 may be good ideas, as Mars will come quite close to Earth in those times (0.373564 AU in 2082 and 0.37327582 AU in 2129)It's not really that important, though. It's not like we're wasting fuel by coasting farther. It's an executive decision anyway.You think we can finish planning by 2110? :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.616989184Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-09T02:28:58+0100", "id": "58e957bc0897a6a13a54ce8803f180a7", "post_id": "post-220757", "text": "Awesome! Count me in! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.928864Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-06T08:14:10+0100", "id": "1135c9f25d424942f31052ea329032df", "post_id": "post-251679", "text": "Linguofreak said:I could have sworn that when they were interviewing John Holdren he claimed that the US was the only country to successfully land surface probes on another planet. (Venera anyone?)\n\nMaybe he considered Venus landings as diving expedition. :lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.526102272Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-30T20:39:30+0100", "id": "48aaafa520f4ee93705860cbbaa87c85", "post_id": "post-220054", "text": "N_Molson said:But now I've only2350 kgof propellant left, which is not enough for de-orbit.\n\nLets check the options according to the SCOM. Is it total propellant or only OMS propellant?If it is just OMS propellant: I get 5300 lb fuel from your calculations, that means 42% OMS fuel (2x21% or 1x42%). With that amount of OMS fuel, I can reduce the speed by 252 ft\/s and lower the orbit by approximately 126 n.mi (235 km), just as a quick calculation. Theoretically even enough for a good deorbit burn.If I still have RCS fuel left, I can also use the RCS for lowering the orbit even more, ensuring deorbit and still have enough RCS for a safe reentry maybe.Since I would have to dump a lot of FRCS propellant anyway, in such a scenario I could use the forward RCS thrusters to exhaustion for deorbit. The forward RCS is disabled in a real space shuttle during reentry.", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.623685632Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-11T16:19:57+0100", "id": "42b3910ee1622c9e7e7696894204f662", "post_id": "post-220814", "text": "Bj said:Which reminds me,Check out the OFMM wiki page;http:\/\/www.orbiterwiki.org\/wiki\/OFMM\n\nHoo boy! I can't really top that. Very well done, Bj!For contacting NASA, I'll go with the majority here and say we should have a comprehensive plan before we think about doing that. If we impress them enough, maybe it will shame them intoactuallygoing to Mars! :lol:If only, if only...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.007240192Z", "author": "romanasul", "date": "2012-10-30T03:09:03+0000", "id": "3d96aab7bd2f44b184b75002ea480172", "post_id": "post-251979", "text": "It would be really cool if someone makes an addon simulating the whole Mars Science Laboratory mission, from launch to landing.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.59088768Z", "author": "pete.dakota", "date": "2008-05-11T14:14:19+0100", "id": "56ca85c6318afb891fea3d981f57dfdf", "post_id": "post-65225", "text": "STS-125 is the last planned service mission to the Hubble. It's expected to be de-orbited when it stops producing useful science. Probably within 10 years of 125, I would say.", "thread_id": 1408 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.66792448Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-05-05T06:30:43+0100", "id": "f571756175c30276ef943213102346a5", "post_id": "post-220672", "text": "Bj said:I think it would be more efficient if the heat shield\/capsule thing would have its own small eject-able engine. It might be less efficient to try to set the main-ship on its way to reentry just to line up the payload, and burn back up to orbit. This way, it would push itself into its own trajectory. Plus, this would make the landing precision much better. Preferably, landing of the cargo would be within 1km of the base\/target, so that we don't have to worry about really long drives to and from landing site. (otherwise drivers of cargo packing trucks wont have long drives. :thumbup:Also on that note, would it be nice to carry more than 2x cargo at once? Can we get a UCGO style electric semi going?\n\nYeah, thought about that later, would need a liquid fuelled engine to allow better control of the deorbit and some simple RCS for a bit of guidance on the way down. Maybe a paraglider type parachute to give a controllable glide stage as well (Would a parachute work on Mars or would it need to be a ballute?).I will have a think about coding for it at work today unless someone else wants to make it?Something like the Ucgo flatbed reskinned would do the job, I agree that 2 cargos at a time could take a while.I'll have a look at modifying the GDI miner once I've finished the ore mill. The code bit will be nice and quick. Although I should probably make a new mesh too to stop the fuel miner getting mixed up with the rock one.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.07667328Z", "author": "Sunset_Twilight", "date": "2010-08-29T11:11:01+0100", "id": "b7347135971719fa9c4cf8b61f0b1f12", "post_id": "post-252224", "text": "A couple of years ago, a friend from australia sent me a signed poster from Robert McNaught.", "thread_id": 16267 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.616897024Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-09T00:44:03+0100", "id": "60f1e7373aeac1b98fdb049b4526d873", "post_id": "post-220756", "text": "Alright, this is going to turn into one huge project!Reviewing this entire thread, this is what I am seeing;Assembly missionsScientific expeditions (to fill the void between launch windows)lots of cargo hauling Earth - MarsaMore 'ground crew' than actual pilots-which is good, because when you look at the airport, many more ground crew than pilots...We will need to have;Many Earth to LEO launches carrying parts of MSS and cargo.MSS & a cargo hauler transferred to MarsLandings on Mars to setup bases and begin fuel and resource production.Transfers of cargo from the martian surface to Cape.General Mission plan:Build MSS (and cargo hauler if applicable.)Transfer MSS and hauler to Mars orbitLand hauler and crew on Martian surface.Begin building habitation area.Begin building propellant resource collectionFuel up hauler\/vehicles if applicableStart resource\/cargo productionWhen Mars-Earth launch window approaches, launch cargo\/resources to EarthIf crew is getting rotated, they ride along with the cargo containers.Seems there is also a few that might want to manage as well, so I have broken the project down into specialized 4 parts.We will need Cargo Manager, Launch Manager, Ground Manager and a MSS Manager.Responsibilities;Cargo ManagerManages Miner and the miners productions (cargo)Manages cargo placement & storageManages cargo hauler (limited to sub orbital flights only)Launch ManagerManages any vehicle launching to, or returning from space.Manages launch equipmentGround Expedition ManagerManages all vehicles, equipment and UMMU on the ground at any time.Designs habitual base camps for UMMUResponsible for the exploration of Mars and locating resources.MSS ManagerManages orbital vehicle construction, position, location and maintenance.Manages Earth to Mars voyagesThis is how the managers will work all together;\u200bThe Cargo manager (CM) tells the Launch Manager (LM) the space and weight for cargo transfers which the LM will have to figure ways of achieving that goal.The LM tells the MSS manager (MM) how much cargo will be transferred to the MSS where the MM will be responsible for its storage on MSS and transfer to Earth.The Ground Manager (GM) will explore the planet, looking for resources and tells the CM where resource locations are. GM tells the LM when ships will be ready for transfers.The LM will have to find ways to comply with the requests from the ground and cargo managers.People can multi-task (ie they can perform multiple roles, like ground manager, then one of the guys on the ground actually doing the work.This takes care of; 1. what is the point, and 2. what we are going to do on Mars during the long launch windows.This also shows that station assembly\/dissassembly will never cease, also quite a lot of ground operations for production and what have you.---------------(dev caps)---------------Now for the grand finale: since we have a miner that can be placed anywhere and start producing cargo it is a little unrealistic and boring after a while. Especially since the ground explorers can drive in any direction and say, 'eh dig here'. So lets turn it up a bit.There are several systems we need to make;UCGO sample drill vehicle that will drive around and pickup samples and analyze them for traces of material.This will not be a function of time or something where you can be in the same place, and just keep sampling until you hit something. This will be a function oflocation. Meaning that you actually have to find deposits on the planet to drill for.When you find a deposit, and start mining for it, there will be a limited amount of resources before you have emptied that deposit. Then you have to move on.Resources will depend on your location so the ground crew will have to hunt for them.This helps us a little bit. (being it gives us more jobs and it is not dependent scenario to scenario.) This means that someones UMMU can start driving E while another drives N, at the same time. The manager has to figure roughts for the drivers to take... As long as they park in the same spot as they started, then many scenario swapping will be avoided.This sample drill vehicle and other adjustments will have to be collectively integrated together, without the ability for users to just open a config file and 'find' resource deposits (makes it fun this way).We will also need the UCGO cargo textures and possibly meshes made for the various types of materials found on the periodic table.Big project but I think its doable and will be fun too. :thumbup:Thoughts?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.4461568Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-29T08:12:53+0100", "id": "ac025c9d1ee2ba68dcc193ee410bfe67", "post_id": "post-219864", "text": "Is it near the Tycho crater? Because if it's the case, I'll start worrying.", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.01012224Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2012-11-21T16:27:56+0000", "id": "23c3bda578c9078eb6a0e339ef9253c0", "post_id": "post-252013", "text": "Keatah said:Pffaggh.. Some sort of gas concentration or new kind of radiation or something equally dumb.\n\nNews: Curiosity detects neutronial phason quadropolarised radiation on Mars: Gene Roddenberry wasn't just making it up!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.643017728Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-25T04:41:07+0100", "id": "9d5d283e499e36005422bc2f96abe60c", "post_id": "post-220967", "text": "Bj said:I think it might be not-very-entertaining to be on the way to Mars, stop and 'pretend' to get bombarded from some radiation or something. (since the same might happen on Mars) can we get a program going where it will every say orbiter hour get a radiation intensity measurement & prediction and output it to a txt file or something. Then the hab module will include a interface similar to the UMMU where it can (when docked to the radiation shield chamber, if its not built in) move the UMMU to the chamber to keep them 'safe' during the radiation shower.Of course I could be dreaming now, if this gets too complex. Thoughts?\n\nIf someone wants to build it, then sure. It doesn't really add anything to be done en route, since it seems automatic. It will generate data to go over at the end of the flight, though, which could be interesting, depending on what actually gets done with that data (which isn't really my forte, so I'll stay out of it.)I had an idea a while ago, but I'm so tired right now I'll wait until morning...:goodnight:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.569214976Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-02-22T18:31:52+0000", "id": "1119badc9b0b14f284d0a0659efb5ae0", "post_id": "post-220108", "text": "RGClark said:Another option for a manned launcher.NASA is in a quandary right now about what to do about their manned flight capability. Congress wants this reinstituted quickly but NASA says they can't do it with the money being provided by Congress.In regards to this proposal it is notable McDonnell Douglas, now a subsidiary of Boeing, was also the contractor on the DC-X, legendary for its low development cost, quick turnaround time, and small ground crew.In this report Boeing proposes heavy lift launchers using existing components:Heavy Lift Launch Vehicles with Existing Propulsion Systems.Benjamin Donahue, Lee Brady, Mike Farkas, Shelley LeRoy, Neal GrahamBoeing Phantom Works,Huntsville, AL 35824Doug BlueBoeing Space Exploration,Huntington Beach, CA 92605http:\/\/www.launchcomplexmodels.com\/D...0-2370-650.pdfOne of the proposals is of a manned launcher with the Orion capsule using a shuttle ET propellant tank and four RS-68 engines. This does not use an upper stage but is not a single-stage-to-orbit vehicle because the final push to orbit is made by the onboard thrusters on the Orion spacecraft.However, it is interesting in this report comparison is made to theS-IVBupper stage on the Apollo rocket. I was reminded of a suggestion of Gary Hudson that the S-IVB would be single-stage-to-orbit with significant payload if it used the high efficiency SSME rather than the J-2 engine:A Single-Stage-to-Orbit Thought Experiment.Gary C Hudsonhttp:\/\/www.spacefuture.com\/archive\/a...periment.shtmlIn Hudson's proposal the vehicle could lift 10,360 lbs, 4,710 kg. This would be just enough to carry the crewed version of theDragon spacecraftwithout cargo.\n\nThe point of the matter is that if you use highly weight optimized structures and high efficiency engines at the same time then what you wind up with will be a SSTO capable stage. The Ariane 5 core stage is another weight optimized structure using common bulkhead design for its propellant tanks. The Ariane 5 core stage will also become SSTO if using high efficiency SSME's instead of the Vulcain engines.The specifications of the Ariane 5 are given here:Ariane 5 Data Sheet.http:\/\/www.spacelaunchreport.com\/ariane5.htmlThe Ariane 5 generic \"G\" version could be lofted by a single SSME. It's gross mass is listed as 170 mT, and the propellant mass as 158 mT, for a dry mass of 12 mT. The Vulcain engine is listed on this page as weighing 1,700 kg:Vulcain - Specifications.http:\/\/www.spaceandtech.com\/spacedata\/engines\/vulcain_specs.shtmlSwitching to a heavier SSME engine would add 1.4 mT to the vehicle dry mass, so to 13.4 mT for the dry mass. Using a 425s average Isp again for the SSME, this would allow a 6,000 kg payload:425*9.8ln(1 + 158\/(13.4+6)) = 9,218 m\/s.We wish to use this for a man-rated vehicle though. The Ariane 5 was originally intended to be man-rated using the Hermes spaceplane to carry crew. However, it's not certain the degree this was followed-through when the Hermes was canceled.As with the Ares I upper stage, there are means to increase the payload capacity. Subcooled densification allows 10% greater propellant to be carried, so then 10% greater mass can be lofted to orbit. This brings the total lofted weight from 19.4 mT to 21.3 mT. This extra weight can go to extra payload, so from 6 mT to about 8 mT in payload.The Ariane 5 uses an aluminum alloy, but not the aluminum-lithium alloy being used now for the lightest weight designs. Switching to aluminum-lithium allows approx. 10% weight saving over the previous aluminum alloy. The structural mass sans the SSME engine is 10.3 mT, so about 1 mT would be saved that could go to extra payload.I also mentioned before thenew research that suggests 10% to 20% can be saved in structural massbecause of overly conservative design now used. This would be another 1 mT that could be saved off the dry weight. These weight savings could go to extra payload, bringing the payload capacity to 10 mT.ESA appears to be amenable to adapting the Ariane 5 core stage for other uses, considering its agreement with ATK to use it for an upper stage. So NASA or a private company should be able to make an agreement with the ESA to use it for this purpose, based on getting sufficient financing. In this regard, to get a prototype done at low cost I suggest using the RD-0120 russian analogue of the SSME's. These are in mothballs and probably can be obtained at greatly reduced price. As a point of comparison the NK-33 was mothballed by the russians and Aerojet was able to buy 36 of them for only $1.1 million each(!) Aerojets version of the NK-33 is now on track to be used by Orbital Sciences on their Taurus II launcher.Then the Ariane 5 core version of this SSTO has the advantage over the Ares I upper stage and S-IVB versions in being already built and in current use. It also has now the capability when powered by an SSME or RD-0120 to launch a SpaceX Dragon sized spacecraft to orbit without having to use special fuel densifying or lightweighting methods.NASA has said they want to support commercial space. Support for this launcher would allow for a small, relatively low cost launcher that would permit independent private companies to launch their own manned, or cargo flights to space.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.046038784Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2018-02-02T10:27:50+0000", "id": "13a61cf335ccf9d097311ee2462ce5f3", "post_id": "post-252211", "text": "An Interesting Picture From MarsKeith's Note: NASA recently posted an image taken by the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) aboard NASA's Mars rover Curiosity. A reader from Australia contacted me to point out some curious structures within the rock featured in that image.\n\nhttp:\/\/astrobiology.com\/2018\/02\/an-interesting-picture-from-mars.htmlThis might spur-up the thread...:shifty:---------- Post added at 10:27 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:19 AM ----------The markings appear to be caused by the laser in Curiosity... :uhh:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660944896Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T02:17:29+0100", "id": "c6c7f4b1283c1b9d20bcde6a269286b2", "post_id": "post-220609", "text": "I have a few problems with this plan, most of which involve the Arrow.1. It's unnecessarily large, and carries very little cargo\/personnel for its size (which is 470m, I believe). (those tiny exterior cargo racks in the middle look almost funny...40 little boxes maximum load for such a positivelyenormousvessel)2. It's too futuristic. It's 3 steps away from Star Wars.I was originally inclined to support the Arrow, but after giving some hard thought to the matter I believe an interplanetary stack with equipment to build the MSS is the way to go, at least for the first phase of the operation. Perhaps once it has built the station, the Arrow can be launched.I really have to support the James Cook for this job. It can carry two landers, as well as the station building supplies and tugs to build it without being too enormous (like the Deepstar or Descartes.)I'd say two journeys to establish a foothold: one for the MSS and two initial landings (At Juventae Chasma and Olympus Mons, perhaps?), and one to bring two heavy landers and parts for a permanent base.The second voyage could be where the Arrow comes in (it's a base in its own right and can land on the surface by itself, no landers needed.)For the initial historic landings, we'd obviously use XR-2s or DG-IVs (Not quite unrealistic if we use realistic settings.) Since both of these craft can take off themselves, after a few days on the surface they can head back up for rendezvous at the MSS and await the arrival of Expedition Two in whatever form it takes. If the Arrow is used for the second, then we have a spaceworthy vessel already at Mars doing nothing, so why not send it to Phobos while we wait? It can also act as the emergency return vehicle in case of, well, and emergency.Now that I've said that, the Arrow looks like the ideal way to go for the second voyage. Oh, how fickle I am. :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.571421952Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2013-11-20T19:04:14+0000", "id": "286fd09ac6b65f2d3f7c5b5c96009f92", "post_id": "post-220472", "text": "Urwumpe said:The difference to ULA or Orbital is: SpaceX lacks persistence. Just look how many of their rocket models had been flying before the Falcon 9. And how many Falcon 9 launches happened before the Falcon 9 1.1 appeared.They quickly proceed to new rockets and never manage to gain experience on one rocket model to actually gain experience.\n\nTo be fair, the F9 1.1 is an iterative advancement. Holding off on applying learned lessons simply so you can rack up additional flight-time with a existing (inferior) variant is rather stupid and irrational.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.101768192Z", "author": "jtiberius", "date": "2010-08-29T13:55:04+0100", "id": "83a45928a96e63ca5028d7de93de5103", "post_id": "post-252236", "text": "Hi there,anyone working on an update for spacecraft3?I would like to see ummu\/ucgo or tilting engines like shuttle-a.Thanks a lot for answers.greetingsjtiberius", "thread_id": 16270 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.958009344Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-28T17:42:24+0100", "id": "833ad9c08c2f645e691e16aaf877a254", "post_id": "post-219498", "text": "Here's a cool vid from a guy who does wet-plate photography, using a 19th century collodian process:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Gyf8fQOdvDs\"]YouTube- The Wet Plate Collodion Process[\/nomedia]---------- Post added at 12:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:35 PM ----------Here's another of the same guy doing a photo from end-to-end, with cool soundtrack:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=v8Rw0xwQRFg&feature=related\"]YouTube- Making ULF Wet Plate Collodion Ambrotypes in Barcelona[\/nomedia]Notice how he makes a positive photo by placing a thin negative in front of a dark background at the end.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.576936448Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-03-05T23:35:04+0000", "id": "13f63e750765065f98d8e6157039f793", "post_id": "post-220138", "text": "Urwumpe said:Forget this idea quickly. A spacecraft is no aircraft, in which you can fill every volume with unpressurized fuel. Also payload or avionics bay are not optional. The payload bay give you the purpose, the avionics the ability. You also can't make them infinitely small or put them anywhere. The avionics for example must be installed in a way, that inertial navigation platform and star trackers or GPS can work together.\n\nYou can certainly fill the payload bay with propellant. The X-33 and the VentureStar in their latest versions were expected to have payload cannisters on top of the vehicle rather than internally.With modern miniaturization that space that needs to be taken up by avionics is rather small. For the X-37B you need other equipment besides the avionics in the \"equipment bay\" because of all the different missions the X-37B was expected to do in space. For one thing you need a solar panel for the long space mission.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.479730944Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-12-08T10:04:35+0000", "id": "47aea2dddb9cd1fbd03fa7888bdc2b4e", "post_id": "post-252666", "text": "Sounds ok, if you used the ideal gas law. The curve is exactly as it should be... remember Boyle's law.https:\/\/secure.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/wiki\/Boyle's_law", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.169081856Z", "author": "Star Voyager", "date": "2010-05-05T22:49:28+0100", "id": "8a80d2a07c2c603246c3b2ee6a44208c", "post_id": "post-219688", "text": "Pete, I think it is a new addition, using this photo:http:\/\/spaceflight.nasa.gov\/gallery\/images\/station\/crew-21\/hires\/iss021e008113.jpgas a reference.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.61549184Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-08T04:26:31+0100", "id": "413a18952832995c5c3884a876b04f89", "post_id": "post-220743", "text": "Ashaman42 said:I can make a larger fuel cargo easily enough, will have a look at the weekend, how big should we go? Both size and mass -wise. Not sure what our lifting capacity from Mar to orbit will be.\n\nUsing the ET as a rough estimation of LOX\/LH2 mass\/volume ratio, it has 358.69kg of propellant per cubic meter.Alright, this is what I'm envisioning; containers likethis(for ground fuel containers) would be good as semi-permanent structures. While the miner can produce smaller drums that can be used for packing fuel to orbit.Now I am starting to think that for the 'smaller drums' we can actually use the fuel cargo supplied with UCGO. Since like ~9 of them will fill up the fuel tanks of DGIV, they should be enough. Anyway, if we had to haul them, we would have to make them fit in cargo bays and well, more hassle then I think its worth and redesigning the wheel I think.Summary: the miner should produce UCGO fuel cargo for simplicity sake.The larger drums (since I am assuming, alteration of Arrows hover engines to permit landing) should fill up 800,750kg of fuel with say, 5 drums.Assuming 1.25:1 ratio for width\/high large drum size and 160,150 kg for drum,(don't mind my scribbles)[MATH]\\pi hr^2 = [\/MATH](volume of container)[MATH]2r=1.25(h)[\/MATH][MATH]\\pi h(0.625h)^2 = .39\\pi h^3[\/MATH][MATH]~.39\\pi h^3 = ~446.49[\/MATH] ( = (1\/5)\/358.69 of 800,750kg)So the large drum should be;h = ~7.14r = ~4.46Now then, I think either we can do 2 things, be realistic and set the miner (or other vessel) to have fuel containers fill as a function of time, or we can just have the oil drums set to act as UCGO fuel stations.Urwumpe said:The mars spacecraft should be modular, but should not require at the same time excessive LEO assembly phases. More than 4 modules per mars transfer would be painful.Dilemma:I would like the technology to be closer to todays reality, but I can see that this would also prevent many less than advanced players from taking part. So, I would suggest that a DG-Tech Mars vehicle would be better. A NERVA looks good, but is maybe already too hard for some.\n\nThis would assume that we are developing a new realistic multistage Apollo like vessel capable of Mars landings and returns. I am all for it, but I think it would take more time then most is willing to wait... unless I am wrong. :shrug:Urwumpe said:A program patch would be nice, but is currently the most useless thing in the queue. We need to get things started so the program is running, and then, when all the dangerous decisions are behind us, we can talk again about the decorations.\n\n:hesaid:Urwumpe said:Before we decide on which vehicle we use, we should know what the vehicle(s) will transport. Thus, I think the task for the weekend should be: \"Plan how the first Mars expedition should look like, how many consumables they need to survive there, and how it can get transported\". This includes making suggestions how the mars base will look like in the first 18 months or how it evolves in that time.Remember: There will be a few weeks of an open launch window on Mars, that permits us to transport material there and let spacecraft directly fly back to Earth before the return window closes for 18 months. After it closes, the permanent expedition crew that is left on Mars will have to survive on what is on Mars, no resupplies possible. And I am sure, we want to call such a thing a base and not a tent city for some days before all go away for months.I am also sure, we don't want to fast forward until the Earth-Mars window opens again. So, we need so meaningful missions on Earth and Mars that fill the gap.\n\nI thought we kind-of already got an idea of whats coming along?post141Its just a matter of writing up something that the UMMU have to be doing during the stay there.About mission windows, while I get they are limiting, what if we dont really go for the 'most fuel efficient manner.' If the stack or any other ship has enough Delta V supply to get to a planet at the most direct, fastest and least efficient possible methods, why not cut out the months of wait and launch imminently? -so long as you have it in the delta V budget of course.Urwumpe said:We also need to decide first, how the crew gets to Mars and how they leave it: On the same vehicle as they used for landing (Apollo like) or use a Earth Return Vehicle (Like Mars Direct)? Swap spacecraft or not? Mars Orbit Rendezvous?\n\nAFAIK, so far we have 2 vessels, the stack which is doubling as the station and the Arrow(with smaller craft included)Just checking around OH, we really don't have any 'realistic' vehicle capable of a Mars journey. Everything is unrealistic SSTO vessels.Urwumpe said:For not loosing the paperwork in Forum&Social Groups, let me suggest (like always) to use OrbiterWiki for gathering the important information. I would say it is the best tool for the documentation job.\n\nExcellent idea as always.:cheers:Urwumpe said:Instead of many people talking endlessly against each other, there should be a direction. So, let me suggest a very simple method of making sure work gets done, instead of just talking about it: Delegate responsibility. We have heard enough opinions now, and I think we all agree that this is a great forum project. Now, the talking can cease, and the metal has to be cut.\n\nCutting metal now...:chainsaw:Who's delegating? If anyone doesn't mind, I volunteer be the project manager for this and delegate sub-portions of the project.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.546370048Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-09-03T20:18:49+0100", "id": "4c9670825be64a38f082af3215715af5", "post_id": "post-252882", "text": "Thank you all for testing.The news is good, the average performance&compatibility appears good enough, and the thing already integrates nicely into OGLA\/Orulex\/Spaceway\/Orbiter galaxy generation system.", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.670944768Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-06T00:26:08+0100", "id": "7c6e03edab29ec1ff34d65ce997befcf", "post_id": "post-220699", "text": "I like Prometheus, but until I'm elbows deep into a mission I'm going to think of the ship in Stargate.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.633898752Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T20:42:20+0100", "id": "69b4477b6bb81130ae5c4fe9716f703f", "post_id": "post-220552", "text": "Urwumpe said:The question is, how much effort do we want to put into the things.\n\nsupersonic said:Probably alot.\n\nI guess wherever the line is where you consider it 'fun' or 'work' :tiphat:On the idea of a 'weather station' AFAIK we don't have that addon already made, but then when thinking in terms of NASA's inventions\/methods of getting to the moon, NASA or other scientists created the equipment for the actual mission. So copying that, do you think once the missions designed, we have to create the software\/hardware (addon dev) to incorporate into these missions as apart of this 'game'? Or are you implying we just generate random data? :tiphat:---------- Post added at 12:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 PM ----------Urwumpe said:I already annoy enough people there with my antics, I am sure.\n\nnah not me :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.043780608Z", "author": "SolarLiner", "date": "2016-08-05T21:31:53+0100", "id": "17ddd889c062e5adadb95d40e8dc8000", "post_id": "post-252194", "text": "The first video thumbnail - \"What an anniversary gift I got! More worked being forced to do! Yay!\"", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.49938304Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-04-30T05:41:51+0100", "id": "e1509a7cb47820cfdfce9779046a89fc", "post_id": "post-220008", "text": "Hi,For some time now I have been trying to re-name the stock Atlantis, but I keep hitting snags and I was wondering if there is a tutorial showing the steps needed to do this.Graham", "thread_id": 14072 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.646335232Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-08T17:30:15+0100", "id": "e4678cccdef303d32d81790f0f1db133", "post_id": "post-220999", "text": "Perhaps we could use kulch's space refueling things so we do not run out of fuel that long. Also perhaps why don't we launch a small station into LMO to act as a transfer station. Also, can I be launch manager since no one has talked about it yet?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.416398336Z", "author": "Frogisis", "date": "2010-09-04T17:32:41+0100", "id": "b7c2ba205baf38612b1c3ebda131f311", "post_id": "post-252469", "text": "This is so cool - I was really surprised by how fast it starts to turn once you move the paddles.I really hope people take notice of this addon so someone has the incentive to put together an actual solar sail \"ship.\" We can't let the Arrow freighter have all the fun. Imagine coming up to the payload area to dock and seeing the sail stretch for miles in every direction...", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581709824Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-07-12T16:36:44+0100", "id": "e8e50d655fa4b89ce4b05f2fbedfcc4f", "post_id": "post-220195", "text": "1st stage;Dry mass:53 962 kgPropellant mass:730 000 kgThrust:13 100.4kN (vacuum thrust of 6 SSMEs)Isp:428(I know it calls for vacuum ISP; I tried to give an average throughout the flight).Propellant residuals:1%Restartable upper stage:No.Payload fairing:10 000 kg, jettisoning 120 seconds into the flight.Launch site:Cape Canaveral.Orbit:200x200, 28.5 degrees.Shutdown mode:GCSBy adding two SRBs, capability is boosted to maybe 75 tons to LEO; by adding a stage loosely based on the S-IVB and J-2X, capability goes up to maybe 100 tons.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.441906432Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-05-03T06:47:37+0100", "id": "c76d728a44ad4a4bb7fa06224522dcb4", "post_id": "post-219834", "text": "Hielor said:Uh, that doesn't mean that they don't support SLI\/CrossFire. Back when the i7 first came out, it was already supported well enough:http:\/\/www.guru3d.com\/article\/core-i7-multigpu-sli-crossfire-game-performance-review\/\n\nThat is not the P55 H55 mobos that that older socket that costs a fortune more than p55 mobos. Yes it did have crossfire and SLI but that was before the switch.", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.434881536Z", "author": "Bibi Uncle", "date": "2010-09-01T01:54:49+0100", "id": "b2a6308970c6b01e77581819b38d7cd2", "post_id": "post-252519", "text": "Thanks Martin !Downloading right now...:rolleyes:EDIT :I am testing it. My MFDs still don't display (see topicMFD don't display) but the multiple lights sources is just awesome. The scenario include for testing the spotlight is perfect. Once again, wonderful job Martin.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.528134656Z", "author": "dre120v", "date": "2010-05-02T20:33:00+0100", "id": "a250acc664187049a68e95529411a8cd", "post_id": "post-220065", "text": "jinglesassy said:Since when has there been an automated soyuz?\n\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Automated_Transfer_Vehicle", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.503360512Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-30T10:53:41+0100", "id": "033e1f06052de1536d108e22cb23ef44", "post_id": "post-220015", "text": "shangding said:i see it ,and i want to laugh,but i can't ,i'm a chinese.\n\nWhy? Do they deny you of laughing? Look, it's simple: :lol:", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.755438592Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-02-24T21:16:06+0000", "id": "0203cb236d4bcb8eadf53ad26518cda8", "post_id": "post-251350", "text": "NASA:Curiosity, The Stunt Double:Feb. 24, 2012With a pair of bug-eyes swiveling on a stalk nearly 8 feet off the ground, the 6-wheeled, 1800-lb Mars rover Curiosity doesn't look much like a human being. Yet, right now, the mini-Cooper-sized rover is playing the role of stunt double for NASA astronauts.\"Curiosity is riding to Mars in the belly of a spacecraft, where an astronaut would be,\" explains Don Hassler of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado. \"This means the rover experiences deep-space radiation storms in the same way that a real astronaut would.\"Indeed, on Jan. 27th, 2012, Curiosity's spacecraft was hit by the most intense solar radiation storm since 2005. The event began when sunspot AR1402 produced an X2-class solar flare. (On the \"Richter Scale of Solar Flares,\" X-flares are the most powerful kind.) The explosion accelerated a fusillade of protons and electrons to nearly light speed; these subatomic bullets were guided by the sun's magnetic field almost directly toward Curiosity.When the particles hit the outer walls of the spacecraft, they shattered other atoms and molecules in their path, producing a secondary spray of radiation that Curiosity both absorbed and measured.\"Curiosity was in no danger,\" says Hassler. \"In fact, we intended all along for the rover to experience these storms en route to Mars.\"Unlike previous Mars rovers, Curiosity is equipped with a Radiation Assessment Detector. The instrument, nicknamed \"RAD,\" counts cosmic rays, neutrons, protons and other particles over a wide range of biologically-interesting energies. RAD's prime mission is to investigate the radiation environment on the surface of Mars, but researchers have turned it on early so that it can also probe the radiation environment on the way to Mars as well.Curiosity's location inside the spacecraft is key to the experiment.\"We have a pretty good idea what the radiation environment is like outside,\" says Hassler, who is the principal investigator for RAD. \"Inside the spacecraft, however, is still a mystery.\"Even supercomputers have trouble calculating exactly what happens when high-energy cosmic rays and solar energetic particles hit the walls of a spacecraft. One particle hits another; fragments fly; the fragments themselves crash into other molecules.\"It's very complicated. Curiosity is giving us a chance to actually measure what happens.\"Even when the sun is quiet, Curiosity is bombarded by a slow drizzle of cosmic rays\u2014high-energy particles accelerated by distant black holes and supernova explosions. In the aftermath of the Jan. 27th X-flare, RAD detected a surge of particles several times more numerous than the usual cosmic ray counts. Hassler's team is still analyzing the data to understand what it is telling them about the response of the spacecraft to the storm.{...}\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.824425472Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-01T12:47:57+0100", "id": "2d55004b2cb23424ef67466e762f6e48", "post_id": "post-219431", "text": "Enjo said:AFAIK German rocket scientists were given an offer they couldn't refuse by the US to work for them after the US took over.Wernher von Braunwas even happy that he could continue working on his rockets, so modern rocketry partly uses the same German ideas as those from WWII.\n\nSorry for offtopic and bumping in the same post, but just for historical correctness - my father and grandfather told me that the Soviets also borrowed some brainpower back then.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.314105856Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-04-28T03:24:10+0100", "id": "ca2057b0b4ec82e036ec2986603f117e", "post_id": "post-219764", "text": "Can your PSU support the use of the card? What about the motherboard?", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.758431232Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2012-06-07T19:54:18+0100", "id": "5942dcbb0c5781c626d0418c8f6a8042", "post_id": "post-251375", "text": "Mars in a Minute: How Hard Is It to Land Curiosity on Mars?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.901678592Z", "author": "Spike Spiegel", "date": "2010-04-28T22:22:30+0100", "id": "9fe3f802795bbe266676687d00962a68", "post_id": "post-219464", "text": "Excellent answers, thanks. I figured it might be something like that, but you guys are good at filling in all the details and explaining the engineering and such.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.565854976Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-10-22T17:58:23+0100", "id": "b142acd9142e9f8787108e7c6acf6a13", "post_id": "post-220435", "text": "1. I can't verify the numbers, the site is down again for everyone.2. What I remember from that page was, that it ignored happily everything that matters for the ascent equation, except launch latitude, ISP and burn time.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.78568576Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-05T15:18:36+0100", "id": "53391f376b95fbf2f03bdcc11c6ec0ac", "post_id": "post-251473", "text": "I already plan to watch it, waking up on 4:30 so I am ready when the real show begins from 5:30 on. Luckily I have holidays for the next two weeks.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.518777088Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-02T01:28:08+0100", "id": "d5bb01933d25bff3d7bb83db0b84c612", "post_id": "post-220051", "text": "Even if the explosion at the end was spliced in, freaking awesome video. Yeah, I'd give it a go if it had an ejection seat :headbang:", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.83846528Z", "author": "zeldafan156", "date": "2010-04-27T00:08:52+0100", "id": "8bb2203c8b49a071311928f25fecd665", "post_id": "post-219454", "text": "ive downloaded the XR-5 shuttle-A cargo thing and i was wondering how you refuel the shuttle with them...", "thread_id": 14019 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.97852928Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2012-08-08T14:58:39+0100", "id": "c316b361ecc17ac3fa6f2d46385edf9c", "post_id": "post-251770", "text": "Amazing. I'd love to see what sort of images come about when the primary color camera is available.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551858176Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-11-12T18:21:49+0000", "id": "e003c7069bf53035344cd259eecf4369", "post_id": "post-220271", "text": "RGClark said:The SpaceXFalcon Heavy Booster: Why Is It Important?by John K. Strickland, Jr.September, 2011\"What amazes people is that SpaceX has broken the long-sought 1,000dollars a pound to orbit price barrier with a rocket which is stillexpendable. 'How can he (SpaceX CEO Elon Musk) possibly do this?' theyask. The Chinese have said flatly that there is no way they cancompete with such a low price. It is important to remember that thiswas not done in a single step. The Falcon 9 already has a large priceadvantage over other boosters, even though it does not have thepayload capacity of some of the largest ones. The 'Heavy' will eventhis score and then some. At last count, SpaceX had a launch manifestof over 40 payloads, far exceeding any current government contracts,with more being added every month. These are divided between theFalcon 9 and the Falcon Heavy.\"http:\/\/www.nss.org\/articles\/falconheavy.htmlI think the most important accomplishment of SpaceX might turn out to be that they showed in stark terms that privately financed spacecraft, both launchers and crew capsules, can be accomplished at 1\/10th thedevelopmental cost of government financed ones. Imagine a manned, reusable orbital launcher, for example, instead of costing, say, $3 billion, only costing $300 million to develop.As I argue, the key variable that made this reduction possible is that the launcher was privately financed. That is, it was the launch company's own money that was financing its development. In that case it makes sense the company would be more fiscally responsible in developing it.Then the first step in reducing the price to orbit is making the vehicles be privately financed. But if the launch companies are going to spend their own money, they have to be convinced they can make a profit on them. This will come if there is a significant market.My view is that there would be a significant market for small, privately owned, SSTO's. When you consider that with orbital refueling such craft can also make lunar missions, the market becomes even more apparent....\n\nSpace vehicle launches could be routine if they could take off horizontally from airliner runways as a single stage, like aircraft. It was thought that wings would just be dead weight on ascent but in fact following a lifting trajectory can cut in the range of 40% off the propellant requirements from a SSTO if it is at high lift\/drag ratio. So wings can \"carry their own weight\", so to speak even on ascent.Here's a heuristic argument that an SSTO making a lifting trajectory at high L\/D ratio can save on propellant requirements. I'll regard the straight-line path as my X-axis and the perpendicular to this as the Y-axis. Note this means my axes look like they are at an angle to the usual horizontal and vertical axes, but it makes the calculation easier. Call the thrust T, and the mass, M. Then the force component along the straight-line path, our X-axis, is Fx = T - gMsin(\u03b8) - D and the forcecomponent along the Y-axis is Fy = L - gMcos(\u03b8).We'll set L = gMcos(\u03b8), since the vehicle is traveling along the straight-line, our X-axis, so the force component in the Y-direction is zero. Then the force along the straight-line is Fx = T -gMsin(\u03b8) - gMcos(\u03b8)\/(L\/D). As with the calculation for the usual rocket equation, divide this by M to get the acceleration along this line, and integrate to get the velocity. The result is V(t) = Ve*ln(M0\/Mf) - g*tsin(\u03b8) - g*tcos(\u03b8)\/(L\/D), with M0 the initial mass, and Mf, the mass at time t, a la the rocket equation. If you make the angle \u03b8 (theta) be shallow, the g*tsin(\u03b8) term will be smaller than the usual gravity drag loss of g*t and the (L\/D) divisor will make the cosine term smaller as well.Now note that the equation includes *both* the gravity and air drag. Secondly, note that though using aerodynamic lift generates additional, large, induced drag, this is covered by the fact that the L\/D ratio includes this induced drag, since it involves the *total* drag.Some preliminary calculations I did suggest you could save in the range of 40% off your propellant requirements by reducing the gravity loss in this fashion if indeed your L\/D ratio is 7+, at the speed range up to the high supersonic to low hypersonic.A reduction in the propellant requirements this high means you could carry significant payload to orbit even with standard wing weight, estimated as 10% of the vehicle weight, which would be the gross takeoff weight for a horizontally launched vehicle.However, we can cut this weight even further. First, even for standard wings you could cut this wing weight by half with modern materials. But a key fact is that you don't even need wings for a horizontal liftoff. Lifting bodies can perform horizontal takeoffs without additional wings. Lifting bodies have long been investigated for use as reentry vehicles, but it seems to have been overlooked to use them also for horizontal takeoff.The problem though would be to get mass efficient propellant tanks for the vehicle. The propellant tanks are frequently the heaviest component of the dry weight of the vehicle, even more than the engines.But the lifting body would have non-cylindrical shape. What killed the X-33\/VentureStar program was the inability to get light-weight tanks for the X-33's conformally shaped tanks. Even using composite materials the non-circular cross sections would have resulted in tanks twice as heavy as aluminum tanks of usual cylindrical shape [1].It turns out the determining factor for the heavy weight of rocket propellant tanks is they have to be pressurized. This is because of the requirements for proper operation of the turbopumps on rocket engines [2]. Pressurized tanks have to have a certain thickness to safely hold the contents.However, quite key is the fact that this is a requirement of turbopumps but not other types of pumps [3]. XCOR because it's using wing tanks for its Lynx suborbital vehicle plans to use reciprocating (piston) pumps [4]. These require reduced pressurization in the tanks, if any. And the tanks in the wings on aircraft commonly are also not pressurized. XCOR had to develop these since they intend to carry the propellant in wing tanks which being non-circular would have been very heavy if they had to be pressurized.Another possibility would be to use inflatable wings. These can also save weight over standard wings [5].Bob Clark1.)Space Access Update #91 2\/7\/00.The Last Five Years: NASA Gets Handed The Ball, And Drops It.\"...part of L-M X-33's weight growth was the \"multi-lobed\" propellant tanks growing considerably heavier than promised.Neither Rockwell nor McDonnell-Douglas bid these; both used provencircular-section tanks. X-33's graphite-epoxy \"multi-lobed\" liquidhydrogen tanks have ended up over twice as heavy relative to theweight of propellant carried as the Shuttle's 70's vintage aluminumcircular-section tanks - yet an X-33 tank still split open in testlast fall. Going over to aluminum will make the problem worse; X-33's aluminum multi-lobed liquid oxygen tank is nearly four times asheavy relative to the weight of propellant carried as Shuttle'saluminum circular-section equivalent.\"http:\/\/www.space-access.org\/updates\/sau91.html2.)Fuel tank scaling laws (Henry Spencer).http:\/\/yarchive.net\/space\/launchers\/fuel_tank_scaling_laws.html3.)[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/NPSH\"]NPSH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]4.)XCOR Aerospace and United Launch Alliance.Announce Successful Hydrogen Piston Pump Tests.http:\/\/www.xcor.com\/press-releases\/...nounce_successful_hydrogen_pumping_tests.html5.)An inflatable wing using the principle of Tensairity.http:\/\/www.empa.ch\/plugin\/template\/empa\/*\/107170", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.225664Z", "author": "dougkeenan", "date": "2010-04-27T19:12:53+0100", "id": "2d6d454885cf1b1ec4daee7a8c8388e4", "post_id": "post-219730", "text": "When switching from interior VC view to exterior view the panel mesh is displayed but the MFD sub-display seems to no longer get rendered. Is it possible to tell Orbiter to keep rendering MFD's in EXT view?", "thread_id": 14034 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.005735168Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-10-10T12:25:50+0100", "id": "50cd8fd09639ea420b9cdb4dd0cf92a5", "post_id": "post-251961", "text": "As the Sun set on sol 49 (September 25, 2012), Curiosity used its Navigation Camera to take a panoramic view of the dramatically lit landscape.\n\nSo beautiful... :blink:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.646063872Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-08T17:20:10+0100", "id": "5a1fc5e905aa1534bf4b6ee45d165db5", "post_id": "post-220997", "text": "I personally think we should switch to Orbiter 2010, because of cleaner HUDs, not to mention graphics. It shouldnt take long to track down the addons needed for this mission and throw them into 2010.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.738582784Z", "author": "Arrowstar", "date": "2010-04-26T17:36:41+0100", "id": "725a2ebdc0841e6eb10bb2422687f063", "post_id": "post-219299", "text": "Salun said:must......resist.....can't.....Mustn't.......RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!http:\/\/www.southparkstudios.com\/clips\/155142\/?searchterm=Free+Willzyx\n\nGah, beaten to the punch!:)", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.521465088Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-05T17:56:53+0100", "id": "112c39daeaf4f98402644be9f5820475", "post_id": "post-252783", "text": "Izack, I had something like theRocketship Galileoin mind.", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.141871872Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-05-01T01:11:05+0100", "id": "109179421e2dcdbc9d0e7e4454a9e482", "post_id": "post-219642", "text": "Ok I apoligize when I first started watching the playback senerio it stopped playingback suddenly. This time though it worked.", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.585270528Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-06T22:32:46+0100", "id": "b872e8e78ff517fb31a0e37745791007", "post_id": "post-220231", "text": "If I am not completely wrong, the sea level thrust of the Vulcain II can be well described as \"Not existing\" (Just 318 s according to Astronautix, that means only 989 kN thrust left). The boosters do the work, the Vulcain II is just ignited on the ground for health checking.Also, you are completely wrong about your ProPEP \"estimate\" (lets call it wild-guestimate) for the Vulcain II vacuum thrust with longer nozzles: It is still a gas generator\/open cycle engine.You can't get the same specific impulse from it as if you would use a closed cycle high pressure engine with the same propellant combination. The maximum chamber pressure is limited to 130 bar (theoretical limit by using hydrogen\/oxygen) and the specific impulse is reduced a lot by the turbine exhaust.The Vulcain II is actually already at the maximum possible for a gas generator cycle engine. You would need a closed cycle there for further improvements in effectivity, effectively a new engine.The RS-68 has even less chamber pressure as gas generator cycle engine.Also, you can't gain much more vacuum performance by making the nozzle even longer - the Vulcain II has already a very long nozzle.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.66541824Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-09-06T17:23:42+0100", "id": "de4f002b47e29cd9b4dc7b152585ff19", "post_id": "post-253115", "text": "8 years? I wouldn't count SpaceX out...", "thread_id": 16349 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.516609536Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-30T20:11:43+0100", "id": "896179ae058929c1e809fac109832df2", "post_id": "post-220033", "text": "That was some good quality television entertainment right there. Those are my favorite show hosts below the Mythbusters.Also, they knew it wouldn't separate, something about a shear pin that wouldn't be delivered on time. Made a nice boom eh?", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.550717952Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-18T10:16:38+0100", "id": "6240c4754cb83fb8f5871cd71f192e6f", "post_id": "post-220257", "text": "T.Neo said:Personally my opposition of SSTOs has nothing to do with insisting that it can't be done, it's about SSTOs not beingpractical. Don't get me wrong, I see the benefits of an SSTO system... but those benefits are not worth it if they come at a cost that is simply too high.The fact that an S-IVB or S-II with SSMEs strapped onto it would be able to make orbit is a novelty and does not mean much for real-world LV design.Trying to find optimal solutions isn't about taking your favourite idea and driving it to death. If an idea isn't that good of an idea, you move on and try to find a new idea which works better.\n\nYes they are and they're not even hard. In fact, they are no harder than themost efficientmulti-stage launchers.All you have to do is what you naturally do for the most efficient multi-stage launchers: useboththe most efficient enginesandthe most efficient stagesat the same time.If you do that then what you will get will automatically be a SSTO stage. In fact the payload will be so high you can add reentry and landing systems and still carry significant payload. The full reusability will allow the costs to orbit to be cut by 1 to 2 orders of magnitude.The only thing needed to accomplish this is to believe what the rocket equation is actually saying.\"Free your mind. The rest will follow.\"- En Vogue---------- Post added at 09:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:03 AM ----------Urwumpe said:No, that is absolutely horrible.Einstein said that Black Holes are impossible and any such interpretation of his theories wrong. Today we know that Einstein was right in his theories but wrong about Black Holes. Einstein was wrong pretty often, and sometimes he admitted it.There is no \"because Einstein said so, it must be right\". The same applies to any living person.For me, arguing with Einsteins authority is futile. But using Einsteins arguments isn't. Einstein did never just say \"I am Einstein, and this is fact.\" He explained his results.Which is pretty much what we often demand from you. Not just claim something and then summon the divine authority of some engineer to back you up.\n\nAs I said, literally EVERYBODY argues by authority.\"Don't smoke cigarettes. Doctors say they're bad for you.\"\"Eat plenty of fruits and vegetables. Doctors say they are good for you.\"Moreover, every academic paper in any field, science, the arts, the humanities, anything, that has ever been written for the last few hundred years argues by authority. The reason is they all use that format where you make an argument and you cite references at the end by experts in the field that support that position.That's arguing by authority.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.415954944Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2010-09-01T10:41:17+0100", "id": "fa1a1552f52e11c6cd12cf8d9753bfa1", "post_id": "post-252466", "text": "Hmmm.I'll be recompiling the solarsailex .dll module for the latest Orbiter patch in the next couple of days, so maybe that will sort out the problem.In the meantime, you can try running the add-on in a clean installation of Orbiter2010(100606) - there may be a conflict with another add-on somewhere.Since nobody else is reporting a CTD, it may be something specific to your computer system - what OS\/graphic card\/Orbiter version are you using?Thanks,BrianPS Yes, the attitude control was quite interesting to think about. The way I have implemented it is about the simplest way I can think of doing it, but I reckon there are more efficient and subtle ways to set it up(especially for the Roll control). I'll be looking at this for future versions. Any ideas\/suggestions welcome:)", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.442215424Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-04T03:27:05+0100", "id": "ef3ea46f314f006acd063bddbdce74e3", "post_id": "post-219837", "text": "Zachstar said:Thats the \"Main\" i7 with an absurdly expensive NB the one I speak of ishttp:\/\/www.newegg.com\/Product\/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115214which pairs with less expensive but locked out P55 and H55 chipsets.\n\nIf you're running SLI with a subpar processor, you're spending money in the wrong places.", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.570875904Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2013-11-19T19:33:17+0000", "id": "bb594a4af4e49114a503d3d2398b7f48", "post_id": "post-220466", "text": "Uhh let's be clear, for me the \"technical, hence factual, topic\" is about reusable rocketry, not the Cult of Mr Musk personality...I am not following SpaceX developments because of Musk and what Musk says is usually a reason to cry out loud. But there are capable people below him in every company, who are actually suffering by the hype\n\nExactly my position. I don't like SpaceXbecauseMusk pisses me off. Remove him and, for me, it becomes interesting again.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.488984832Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-11-05T14:15:51+0000", "id": "4b2182b8278b5b6ba20fdda947339bc8", "post_id": "post-252685", "text": "I'm having problems with the Descent phase. I get a CTD when I try to run the descent flightplan.The log for people who wants itCode:**** Orbiter.log\nBuild Aug 30 2010 [v.100830]\nTimer precision: 4.52889e-007 sec\nFound 0 joystick(s)\nDevices enumerated: 6\nDevices accepted: 5\n==> RGB Emulation\n==> Direct3D HAL\n==> Direct3D T&L HAL\n==> Direct3D HAL (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 530v )\n==> Direct3D T&L HAL (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 530v )\nModule AtlantisConfig.dll .... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule AtmConfig.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule DGConfigurator.dll .... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule ScnEditor.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule Rcontrol.dll .......... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule Framerate.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule FlightData.dll ........ [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule ExtMFD.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule ScriptMFD.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule LuaConsole.dll ........ [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule OrbiterSound.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: oapiRegisterMFDMode\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\nModule InterMFD55.dll ........ [Build 100826, API 100704]\nModule LuaMFD.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule CustomMFD.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule dock_port_show.dll .... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule uap.dll ............... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule WeatherMFD.dll ........ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule AutopilotMFD.dll ...... [Build ******, API 050206]\n\n**** Creating simulation session\nDirectDraw interface OK\nDirect3D interface OK\nGraphics: Viewport: Fullscreen 1366 x 768 x 32\nGraphics: Hardware T&L capability: Yes\nGraphics: Z-buffer depth: 32 bit\nGraphics: Active lights supported: 8\nLoading 15382 records from star database\nModule Sun.dll ............... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(E) Sun: Precision 1e-006, Terms 554\/6634\nModule Mercury.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Mercury: Precision 1e-005, Terms 167\/7123\nModule Venus.dll ............. [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule VenusAtm2006.dll ...... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Venus: Precision 1e-005, Terms 79\/1710\nModule Earth.dll ............. [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule EarthAtmJ71G.dll ...... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Earth: Precision 1e-008, Terms 2564\/2564\nModule Moon.dll .............. [Build 100830, API 100830]\nELP82: Precision 1e-005, Terms 116\/829\nModule Mars.dll .............. [Build 100830, API 100830]\nModule MarsAtm2006.dll ....... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Mars: Precision 1e-005, Terms 405\/6400\nModule Phobos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Deimos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Galsat.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Jupiter.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Jupiter: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1624\/3625\nModule Io.dll ................ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Europa.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Ganymede.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Callisto.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Satsat.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule Saturn.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Saturn: Precision 1e-006, Terms 2904\/6365\nModule Mimas.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Mimas: Terms 113\nModule Enceladus.dll ......... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Enceladus: Terms 33\nModule Tethys.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Tethys: Terms 101\nModule Dione.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Dione: Terms 59\nModule Rhea.dll .............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Rhea: Terms 68\nModule Titan.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Titan: Terms 100\nModule Iapetus.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Iapetus: Terms 605\nModule Uranus.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Uranus: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1827\/5269\nModule Miranda.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Ariel.dll ............. [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Umbriel.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Titania.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Oberon.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Neptune.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]\nVSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391\/2024\nFinished initialising world\nModule Spacecraft3.dll ....... [Build ******, API 060425]\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::SetBankMomentScale\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\nFinished initialising status\nFinished initialising camera\nFinished initialising panels\nFinished setting up render state\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh", "thread_id": 16319 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.639602688Z", "author": "DanScall", "date": "2010-05-20T10:36:29+0100", "id": "372b88c0b24519920af190df0eb81435", "post_id": "post-220941", "text": "What's the sort of \"upper limit\" than a NERVA can push to Mars, with enough fuel to get itself (but not the other modules) back home?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.571485184Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-20T19:32:50+0000", "id": "2e57df3e27c509c393f7f2ab12a4a240", "post_id": "post-220473", "text": "Hlynkacg said:To be fair, the F9 1.1 is an iterative advancement. Holding off on applying learned lessons simply so you can rack up additional flight-time with a existing (inferior) variant is rather stupid and irrational.\n\nNot really - since the F9 1.1 is a major improvement, regardless what the minor version step 1.1 implies. There are huge differences between the two and there is simply little that was learned from the F9 in terms of operations. And the 1.1 might share the same fate.It is just appearing to me, as if SpaceX is changing their company strategy very quickly.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.55113856Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2010-09-19T10:44:45+0100", "id": "e2ac5575bacd7993535198c93ef655b2", "post_id": "post-252893", "text": "Lazy Sunday morning today. I found some time to give the challenges a go.The only one i had tried before, was challenge #4.Here are my scores:#1: 5688.64 (second attempt)#2: 2389.32 (first attempt)#3: 2801.78 (first attempt, the second one was close to that too).#4: 384.34 (Stopped counting after the 8th or 9th attempt, :lol: )@Tommy: WOW! 5498,119 on the first challenge!? Amazing work!:thumbup:", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.661176832Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-04T03:32:22+0100", "id": "9acc0c1c048b0fc4b33fb4bbdd16a30a", "post_id": "post-220612", "text": "Alright alterations colored;Vessels;Cargo vessel - ArrowMSS station platform (engines to push MSS to Mars) - James CookMini landers - (XR2||DGIV)Ares launchersSome fabricated (ISS like) vessel that will be transport\/crew type ship (MSS)Other LaunchersGoal of Project;Establish colony forScience ExperimentsMiningGeneral mission line;Start construction of Mars space station (MSS)Develop modules so that Arrow can dock with station. (or the alternative, design the MSS to be narrow enough to dock within Arrows bay.Supply Arrow (which is orbiting) with cargo via launchersSend the Arrow on its way to Mars, with the capabilities of manufacturing its own fuel.Load up the additional XR2s and\/or DGIVs with the MSS\/Cookand send it on its way to Mars.Arrow arrives, (Arrow's XR2\/DGIV stays in orbit) land Arrow on the designated landing site. Deploys rovers and crew. They start setting up camp and processing facilities for making fuel. (which ultimately can turn into a UCGO gas station or we can be even more realistic and make a vessel with a huge amount of fuel reserves that adds fuel to the tanks as time goes by but that's debatable)Cook\/MSS arrives, placed into stable lowish inclination orbit. XR2 & DGIVs that are attached start bringing down loads of cargo.Mining begins. XR2\/DGIV hauls it up to Arrow\/MSS\/Cookas they are dropping off cargo.Arrow drops off as much fuel as it can spare to MSS and heads to Earth.Back on Earth, launches are made for any additional cargo needed for mining or scientific experiments. The cargo is linked together so that they are not freely floating in space. Vehicles are also in place to bring back cargo to Earth.Arrow gets loaded up and sent backVehicles lower down Arrow's cargoRepeatAll in all, really unchanged, other than the James Cook vessel is the actual platform to bring the MSS over.40 little boxes maximum load for such a positivelyenormousvessel)\n\nI was thinking 40 would be too much, after-all how big is this outpost going to be anyway?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.665797888Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T02:24:30+0100", "id": "9b0caaada557ec04102de0146214bca0", "post_id": "post-220655", "text": "The departure plan you showed is an interesting idea, Wolfer. Sounds good. As for the NERVA2, my computer has been acting up this evening, and doesn't want to run Orbiter.If any of you guys want to test it, here's the scenario:Code:BEGIN_DESC\n\nEND_DESC\n\nBEGIN_ENVIRONMENT\n System Sol\n Date MJD 51982.1247234492\nEND_ENVIRONMENT\n\nBEGIN_FOCUS\n Ship Service2\nEND_FOCUS\n\nBEGIN_CAMERA\n TARGET Service2\n MODE Extern\n POS 17.09 105.16 9.96\n TRACKMODE GlobalFrame\n FOV 50.00\nEND_CAMERA\n\n\nBEGIN_SHIPS\nISS:ProjectAlpha_ISS\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS -2371273.77 -5936006.98 2134810.71\n RVEL -7058.973 3001.525 520.647\n AROT 30.00 -0.00 50.00\n IDS 0:588 100 1:586 100 2:584 100 3:582 100 4:580 100\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n XPDR 466\nEND\nMir\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 5814523.91 -199199.54 -3256887.18\n RVEL 3782.881 411.812 6733.052\n AROT 0.00 -45.00 90.00\n IDS 0:540 100 1:542 100 2:544 100\n XPDR 482\nEND\nLuna-OB1:Wheel\n STATUS Orbiting Moon\n RPOS -2233185.87 146955.54 -44.07\n RVEL -97.198 -1476.903 -0.002\n AROT 0.00 0.00 56.07\n VROT 0.00 0.00 10.00\n IDS 0:560 100 1:564 100\n XPDR 494\nEND\nGL-01:DeltaGlider\n STATUS Landed Earth\n POS -82.4988276 23.0005396\n HEADING 174.13\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000 1:1.000\n NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0\n XPDR 0\n GEAR 1 1.0000\nEND\nGL-02:DeltaGlider\n STATUS Landed Mars\n BASE Olympus:3\n POS -135.4300000 12.7366196\n HEADING 0.00\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000 1:1.000\n NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0\n XPDR 0\n GEAR 1 1.0000\nEND\nSH-01:ShuttleA\n STATUS Landed Moon\n BASE Brighton Beach:1\n POS -33.4375002 41.1184067\n HEADING 0.00\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000 1:1.000\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n XPDR 0\n PODANGLE 0.0000 0.0000\n DOCKSTATE 0 0.0000\n AIRLOCK 0 0.0000\n GEAR 0 0.0000\n PAYLOAD MASS 0.0 0\nEND\nNode1:BT102\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112915.21 15.21 7007197.02\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT 0.00 -23.20 28.07\n DOCKINFO 0:4,Truss2 1:4,Truss3 2:4,Truss4 3:4,Truss5 4:0,Hab1 5:5,Truss1\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nTruss1:BT101\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112912.78 15.21 7007191.35\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT -180.00 23.20 -28.07\n DOCKINFO 0:0,Tank1 1:0,Tank2 2:0,Tank3 3:0,Tank4 4:0,Service1 5:5,Node1\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nService1:Tranzit\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112907.24 15.21 7007178.42\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT 0.00 -23.20 118.07\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:4,Truss1\n NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0\n XPDR 0\n DEPLOY 1 1.0000\n TUGSTATE 2\n SPROTATE 0.909\n DEPCOUNTER -0.021\nEND\nTank1:BTank101\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112915.48 13.64 7007190.20\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT -180.00 23.20 151.93\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:0,Truss1\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nTank2:BTank101\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112910.08 16.78 7007192.51\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT 0.00 -23.20 28.07\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:1,Truss1\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nTank3:BTank101\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112911.34 12.27 7007191.97\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT 180.00 23.20 61.93\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:2,Truss1\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nTank4:BTank101\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 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7007276.32\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT -180.00 23.20 -28.07\n DOCKINFO 0:1,Node3 1:0,Observation1\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nTank5:BTank101\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112948.26 19.17 7007268.75\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT -180.00 23.20 -118.07\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:4,Node3\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nTank6:BTank101\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112944.37 11.25 7007270.42\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT 0.00 -23.20 -61.93\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:5,Node3\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nObservation1:BCP01\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112951.66 15.21 7007282.05\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT 0.00 -23.20 118.07\n DOCKINFO 0:1,Hab5\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nArm1:URMS\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 112917.64 15.21 7007202.69\n RVEL -7540.718 0.006 121.518\n AROT -180.00 23.20 -28.07\n ATTACHED 0:0,Hab1\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n MAIN_STATUS 2\n JOYSTICK_STATUS 1\n JOYSTICK_CFG 1\n PLATFORM_MESH 0\n CORE_NAME Hab1\n CORE_PARAMS 0.0000 0.0000 -10.0000 0.0000 0.0000 10.0000 0.50000\n ORIENTATION -0.00000 -1.00000 -0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 1.00000\n CAMERA_STATUS 0\n SCALE_FACTOR 2.5000\n LIN_PARAMS 0 10.0000 0.0000\n ROOT_ROT 2 179.7481 0.0000\n SHOULDER_ROT 2 87.4183 0.0000\n ELBOW_ROT 2 60.8612 0.0000\n WRIST_ROT_H 2 61.7052 0.0000\n WRIST_ROT_V 0 104.0000 0.0000\n WRIST_ROT_R 0 0.0000 0.0000\n CARGO_PARAMS -0.06 -4.41 -3.97\n FLASH_OFF 1\n IK_PARAMS 1 0.00000 0.00000 0.000\nEND\nEND_SHIPSAlso, if anyone could tell me how exactly to insert an object using a text editor instead of the in-sim scenario editor, it would save me a bit of shame and aggravation. :embarrassed:PS: Known flaws:- Insufficient radiator surfaces- Potentially insufficient RCS- Total lack of communications equipment (due to my lack of scenario-editing prowess...apologies)- Lack of NERVA2 (ditto)These seem to be pretty easy to fix. Once that's ironed out, perhaps it will make it to second reading?---------- Post added at 01:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:16 AM ----------Bloodworth said:Izack, Your stack idea looks good so far with 1 exception. With the xr-2's (or DG's for that matter) docked in that manner I'm afraid that once the stack is under thrust it would stress the docking collar to the point of failure. While I don't think that that particular effect is modeled in orbiter, I still think that they should be docked parallel to the stack instead of perpendicular to it.\n\nThat should be fairly easy to fix. At first I had them docked to the port and starboard hab modules instead of the core block, but they were misaligned and overlapped the stack. It's probably just a matter of rotating the two habs 90 degrees so the Ravens' will be parallel with the stack. I'll get right on it. Would you prefer them pointing toward the front or the back?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.73349632Z", "author": "NovaSilisko", "date": "2012-02-07T22:17:30+0000", "id": "b0e1ba86996865ef1ed14640a1326c24", "post_id": "post-251345", "text": "Abraham, what are you doing on Mars? That is not where presidents go!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.083442176Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-08-13T13:37:52+0100", "id": "f39063095d3cf5b086e02ca193f8bada", "post_id": "post-219542", "text": "Ghostrider said:You can still take pictures of the sky from inside a plane? Surprising. I thought that as soon as the camera comes out, the crew and other passengers would scream \"ZOMG! ATERR-OW-RIST! He's planning to BLOW UP THE CLOUDS!\" and then they would shoot antitank rocket launchers all around to the cry of \"SAVE TEH CHILDREN!\".\n\nI also thought that the rules would be a little more restrictive, especially since you can't take liquids on board unless they are in a bag that has certain dimensions, etc..., but I filmed the takeoff and landing without trouble. Also, they let me go in the flight deck (after landing) two years ago, and I was even allowed to take pictures:Also, here's a similar fascinating picture from 60,000 feet in the Concorde:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.823441408Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-29T04:39:11+0100", "id": "bfa807812497c24baed05011cd001a47", "post_id": "post-219418", "text": "Regardless, your society, your views, your civilization are irrevocably altered simply by the act of contact.Most importantly, anything you might have developed, independent of the visitors is now forever lost.\n\nThat's a good point, and a look at any American Indian reservation is a good example. The movie District 9 was based on a related scenario.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.865185024Z", "author": "Mandella", "date": "2012-08-06T06:16:40+0100", "id": "158d0ac359f0936efdf60ffffaf3ac4c", "post_id": "post-251547", "text": "Heh. I keep trying to switch Eyes to cockpit view...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.372217344Z", "author": "eveningsky339", "date": "2010-04-28T03:33:00+0100", "id": "ba411dee661014701d0c540e717ff2a9", "post_id": "post-219775", "text": "Sounds like a collision detection issue... I've never encountered it before. Someone more knowledgeable than myself should be along shortly.Just to clarify-- if the scenario starts with a vessel above ground, is everything okay?", "thread_id": 14041 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.823727872Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-29T13:36:56+0100", "id": "36d565567c0a6375c5883369d044eeb6", "post_id": "post-219422", "text": "The US influence on Germany in WWII (did the V2 actually go above 100km? I thought it was just high atmospheric) and on the USSR in the cold war. I would expect scientific and technological development to be far behind what it is in reality.And you do not \"get\" land. The land belongs to those who call it home; if you've been born somewhere, or your ancestors have lived there for generations, you're \"native\". Even the indigenous peoples of the Americas or Australia, or New Zealand came there not too long ago. And the same goes for the people that claim I'm a \"foreigner\" in my own country- many of them too came here only a few hundred years ago.I am not guilty when I use a computer, or watch a shuttle launch, or walk the land of my home country, because some people were negatively affected by historical events. The past is over and every person deserves equal rights regardless of heritage, gender or belief.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.866632192Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-08-06T06:21:57+0100", "id": "34ed52ca3431bb55508f72a24c05b5f1", "post_id": "post-251558", "text": "In the entry configuration, it really looks like a flying saucer. Terrans invade Mars with a flying saucer. Wow. :lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.816061696Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T15:56:08+0100", "id": "f798e098eead054ea3e17fe6e7feb04a", "post_id": "post-219346", "text": "willy88 said:Perhaps the aliens would try to avoidus, in order to prevent the same kind of disaster that happened with Native Americans, for example.\n\nSo... wait, the aliens would avoidus, so that we wouldn't attackthem?Since when did Europe get overrun by Native Americans?", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.622502144Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-10T22:35:13+0100", "id": "c7b4f527b0cb49de5b2f0c154426008c", "post_id": "post-220802", "text": "Also, it would be professional to identify some metrics of the different mission concepts, which we could use for grouping the concepts in a system design tree...For example \"Number of LEO assembly missions\" or \"Mars Crew Size\". The goal of this would be having in a short time some facts about the different ideas, which we could use for selecting the profile.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.999051264Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2012-08-30T06:54:30+0100", "id": "1b396728e1f3577eb300689aec1ab0d6", "post_id": "post-251898", "text": "I thought fossils don't stay intact for long once exposed to the elements?Mars is not the Moon - there should be a decent amount of sandblasting erosion, no?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560073984Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-02-10T12:33:01+0000", "id": "746b330b2313810a34ebb92daf5958c4", "post_id": "post-220366", "text": "T.Neo said:Nonsense. The upper stage is flying faster, hence it is more difficult to recover.\n\nRead the article closely.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.092936704Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2014-12-30T08:31:19+0000", "id": "035616d4cb55bf389590bcd0534a1477", "post_id": "post-219609", "text": "I made a retrospective video of my photography since I started in 2009.The whole \"contact me about using any photos\" and creative commons stuff at the end is to indicate that I am open to people inquiring about using my work. If anybody contacts me about using any of my work, as long as it's non-commercial, I'd probably let themdo the thingwith it.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.024672256Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-10-09T15:04:46+0100", "id": "41ac78839f64f4446bb80acb43e898f0", "post_id": "post-252110", "text": "Universe Today:Penny For Your Martian Thoughts: This Is How A Coin Looks After 14 Months On The Red PlanetA 1909 penny being carried by the Mars Curiosity rover is caked with dust on Oct. 2, 2013, after 14 months on Mars. Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/MSSS\/Planetary Science Institute\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.458874368Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-29T15:04:29+0100", "id": "f59f16198366144cba64239cff58e0f7", "post_id": "post-219908", "text": "ar81 said:They seem too many.\n\nIt seems you are pretty wrong.http:\/\/earthquake.usgs.gov\/earthquakes\/eqarchives\/year\/eqstats.php", "thread_id": 14060 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.566057472Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2013-10-23T00:20:22+0100", "id": "2114f356feffabfdb21e9c593d747364", "post_id": "post-220437", "text": "Why pay $54 million, for wasted payload capability, when you only need the $40 million single stage launcher?\n\nWhy pay $40 million for a single-stage launcher when a two-stager a fraction of the cost could do the same job just as well, if not better?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.60707712Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-09-03T13:33:26+0100", "id": "f225992583b4592b4bb8f208ab099eea", "post_id": "post-252945", "text": "Well, the acceleration is so low even at lowest ISP and highest thrust setting that structural loads from main engines are similar to loads from RCS thrusters so if the structural frame can withstand RCS firing so it can withstand main engines.\n\nActually it isn't an issue of being strong enough, it's an issue of reducing mass. So even if the spacecraft is under a very low acceleration, you'll be able to reduce mass by putting the main structural components under tension rather than under compression. :thumbup:Though at an acceleration of a 845th of a G, I think there are going to be navigation issues... TransX and IMFD don't deal well with low accelerations.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.481584896Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-29T23:29:52+0100", "id": "323f93528f79f33707599499ab3fb922", "post_id": "post-219965", "text": "The Serious Games Initiative is focused on uses for games in exploring management and leadership challenges facing the public sector. Part of its overall charter is to help forge productive links between the electronic game industry and projects involving the use of games in education, training, health, and public policy.Serious games initiativeUSA Today:Movement aims to get serious about gamesIt looks like somehow Orbiter is a \"serious game\".:cheers:", "thread_id": 14067 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611645696Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-06T05:15:25+0100", "id": "60dfe88ad9dd840a55a45e4e89ce3459", "post_id": "post-220709", "text": "This is sort of random, but what is the best way of controlling a stack? So far I've been using the Tranzit, and it does a superb job (very very slow turning, though.) It even uses its RCS properly to rotate the whole stack, not just itself. However, is there a better way to do this? Perhaps more than one service module (Tranzit)? Is this where Vessel Stack could come in handy?Also, I still haven't managed to get the NERVA in: game always fails to load saying there's no vessel class called 'nerva2'.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.61827072Z", "author": "Thundersnook", "date": "2010-09-02T22:59:31+0100", "id": "ac1544cb03cc8836c1ed783871817393", "post_id": "post-253008", "text": "I would love to hear the answer too, because in a Soyuz manuall I 've been advised to do the deorbit burn at 170(or so) degrees from the Landing-Place, but neither Base-Sync-MFD nor Map-MFD could give me that information:(", "thread_id": 16339 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.568080128Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2010-05-03T09:50:02+0100", "id": "ce0090a49711a1533db1b5e8bd475886", "post_id": "post-220096", "text": "Urwumpe said:Gravity losses depend on trajectory and burn time, not propellant density. This is a fallacy. Only because most rockets with high propellant density also have a short burn time (solids!), this can backfire for SSTOs...\n\nI agree this is counter intuitive. And the reason behind it is even more counter intuitive: it's because the gravity loss isreducedby using a lower Isp propellant. Since dense fuels have a lower Isp than hydrogen, their gravity loss will be reduced.Here's one explanation of this effect:Hydrogen delta-V (Henry Spencer; Mitchell Burnside Clapp).http:\/\/yarchive.net\/space\/rocket\/fuels\/hydrogen_deltav.htmlHere's a simplified case that makes it believable. The gravity loss occurs when the vehicle is traveling vertically to achieve the necessary altitude for orbit. This is done with orbital rockets by getting to some particular vertical velocity component so that the rocket's momentum will allow it to coast in the vertical direction to reach that altitude. The rest of the trip after the vertical portion is used to make the horizontal thrust needed to get to the necessary tangential velocity for orbit.So in this simplified case I'll just look at the case where your rocket only needs to get to the needed vertical speed for the altitude for orbit, say 1,400 m\/s, not to achieve orbital velocity. Suppose now you have two vehicles one hydrogen-fueled the other kerosene or other dense propellant fueled. Let them both have the same liftoff thrust\/weight ratio, say, 1.4. Note that because the dense propellant has a lower Isp its mass ratio will be higher than the hydrogen to get to the same velocity, so it will have a higher propellant load.Then near the end of the trip when most of the propellant is burned off, note that the dense propellant vehicle will have a higher thrust\/weight ratio than the hydrogen one because its thrust needed to be several times higher compared to its dry mass because of the higher initial propellant load. This turns out to be the case through out the trip after the initial liftoff: the acceleration will be greater for the dense propellant vehicle. Therefore its gravity loss will be reduced because the time of the vertical trip is reduced.Here's another way of seeing the needed burn time will be smaller for the dense propellant case. Recall that the thrust of a rocket is (thrust) = (propellant flow rate)x(exhaust velocity). We know there will be a greater amount of propellant for the dense case compared to the hydrogen case. So the thrust will have to be proportionally larger as well, and so the propellant flow rate will also need to be greater.Now since the flow rate for the dense propellant will also be higher does that mean they will both burn up all their fuel in the same length of time? The key point is they won't. The dense propellant vehicle will burn up all its fuel in a shorter period of time (we're still looking at the simplified case of only looking at a vertical trip to 1,400 m\/s.)The reason for this is because of that exhaust velocity term in the equation for thrust. If the propellant load is some multiple times that of the hydrogen case the thrust will have to be similarly multiply times higher. But the increased propellant flow rate that gives that multiple times greater thrust will have to behigherthan the multiple of the amount of greater propellantbecause that exhaust velocity term is smaller. For instance if the dense fuel thrust has to be, say, twice that of the hydrogen case, then the propellant flow rate will have to bemore than twice as greatto make up for the lower exhaust velocity term.This means the length of time for the dense case to burn up its fuel will be shorter, resulting in a reduced gravity loss. The actual scenario for an orbital flight where there is also a horizontal thrust portion is only slightly more complicated but it also leads to the conclusion the gravity drag is reduced for the dense propellant case.If you want to see an equation that expresses the idea the acceleration is greater for the dense propellant case, even with the same initial T\/W ratio, see equation 4 on page 14 here:A flexible reusable space transportation system.by Dr. Steven PietrobonJournal of the British Interplanetary Society.vol. 53, pp. 276-288, May\/June 2000http:\/\/www.sworld.com.au\/steven\/pub\/nsto.pdfBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.628945664Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-14T21:16:03+0100", "id": "29a99df710d3085430a7c8cd0c7c89e8", "post_id": "post-220864", "text": "[removed]Edit:I have no idea what I was thinking. Not to self: don't go on forums when overtired and severely stressed.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.139149312Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-08-31T17:04:51+0100", "id": "732664179436bab357d17ae7e97d551a", "post_id": "post-252283", "text": "NASA TV Video: \"Shuttle Astronaut Bill Lenoir Dies\".\u200b", "thread_id": 16277 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62300288Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-11T02:17:29+0100", "id": "58ed4361f61468be3198b0e41c1f07ee", "post_id": "post-220807", "text": "I think contacting NASA is a great idea (anyone got their email:lol:)However if we want to do that I think we should build our Mars mission out of (semi) existing technology (otherwise why would NASA be interested?) To this end I propose something like the Mars DRA 5.0 plan I posted earlier. (I know it's somewhere around here. Urewumpe is right about the post count getting huge). I have already developed an Ares V rocket and I think Cymrych is working on some other vehicles from that document.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652445184Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-12T14:06:15+0100", "id": "329e47ecc9c0439c69c679130a496a03", "post_id": "post-221053", "text": "Ashaman42 said:As for engines I've been pottering at a cargo lander\/lifter and am leaning towards a methane\/Lox engine. Whilst methane and LH2 are both able to be made in situ it seems that methane is easier to store.\n\nYes - I would prefer slush hydrogen as fuel for the interplanetary craft and methane\/LOX for the smaller vehicles... not as powerful, but denser.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.608972288Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-04T00:26:51+0100", "id": "20d3220f81d1b6f7670c5480ce26f95c", "post_id": "post-252960", "text": "I just made it to Jupiter in ~6 months with half of the propellant remaining. I used IMFD, IEAT, Attitude hold and stock orbit mfd's. Main problem with IMFD is that it don't allow higher than 10 time acceleration when in autoburn mode so at high time accelerations you have to do the burn manually and manage attitude with IEAT or attitude mfds. Otherwise IMFD worked fine for my 1,5 month long ejection burn.And what if something goes wrong with the reactors?:pI would think that a problem with one of the nuclear reactors would be a much more urgent issue than a problem with one of the engines. If one engine goes kaput, the other engines can compensate (you have 5.) If one of the reactors undergoes meltdown, you lose the ship.\n\nA competently engineered reactor would have multiple layers of protection to prevent meltdown and even if it somehow suffers meltdown it shouldn't cause serious damage to nearby reactors or other systems.No... to point the z+ translation thrusters backward requires no extra propellant.\n\nHow? If you want to do pitch or yaw maneuver you have to fire pitch or yaw thrusters and also linear ones in the same time to put the structure under tension.---------- Post added at 02:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:25 AM ----------Polaris said:Is this going to have onboard \"cryo\" modules?\n\nCurrently it's basic spacecraft3 vessel so there is no simulation of various systems.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.886546432Z", "author": "tori", "date": "2010-04-28T21:25:31+0100", "id": "b665d49bb9b78a151c08a625dc607265", "post_id": "post-219463", "text": "Trusses are an engineering miracle - they're very light, cheap, and as long as you keep the load vector pointed straight down their axes*, they're also very, very strong in compression. A flimsy looking truss can hold itself and tons of load. Since spaceships tend to be linear and accelerate in the direction of the longest dimension, a truss comes as a natural solution for a backbone.* if you don't, you're inducing a torque on the truss, which is something they can't handle (e.g.that's how a radio tower behaves when you cut the guy wires)", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.816778496Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-04-26T16:55:52+0100", "id": "d46c0488845ba5ab9ff5fd848d519498", "post_id": "post-219354", "text": "I don't understand how avoiding contact will prevent them from finding us. Did Native Americans send any messages to Europeans, before Europeans came to America? If aliens are interested in Earth or humans, they will eventually come here anyway.news.bbc.co.uk said:Prof Hawking thinks that, rather than actively trying to communicate with extra-terrestrials, humans should do everything possible to avoid contact.\n\nWe should stop our own expansion, stop sending probes, deorbit all satellites, hide ourselves in vaults (the best on Earth, Moon, Mars, and maybe some other bodies, so we have some extra space for future), so aliens won't notice and find us, and enslave us, when they look at Earth either passively or actively while trespassing through our system, after they caught our earlier radio transmissions, before we stopped all high-frequency radio communication.Ghostrider said:Because it reduces the stress on the SFX, make-up and costume departments.\n\n:rofl:", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.73276032Z", "author": "llarian", "date": "2011-12-11T19:09:33+0000", "id": "ed99db23b712606a4b915e0fe6a3864e", "post_id": "post-251337", "text": "Mass, size, power source, sophistication of instrumentation, depth of probe, ... Take a look at the mission synopsis.dgatsoulis said:What sets Curiosity apart from other Mars Rovers? - YouTube\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.091110656Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2013-12-17T16:18:20+0000", "id": "6187f88d75ece24f5e1cc9979e16ade4", "post_id": "post-219595", "text": "Keith said:Huh? You have got me looking for them, now. :lol:\n\nThey're littered across the sky, but probably just caused by scanning.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.574705152Z", "author": "MaverickSawyer", "date": "2015-05-29T18:07:23+0100", "id": "d9db34f65d4483d8e32a02a3b018c3be", "post_id": "post-220502", "text": "RGClark said:The Wikipedia page on the Titan II is confusing but actually it did usetwoLR-87's on the first stage. So your entry for the thrust is actually the correct one for the two engines used. I already mentioned at least one version of the Titan II only had a dry mass for the first stage in the 4,300 kg range.\n\nCorrect. The LR-87 family was never used in a single engine installation, so most people reasonably assume that it's a two-chamber engine and give the specs for it in the Titan configuration. This tends to include the mass of the gimbals, actuators, structural frames, and the shared turbopumps that were used in this format.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.762565376Z", "author": "Fabri91", "date": "2012-07-20T07:53:45+0100", "id": "8ecaa651c58f750adda71df867ede69c", "post_id": "post-251408", "text": "Yes, but there has been a problem with one of Odyssey's gyro wheels.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.650257408Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-11T03:03:10+0100", "id": "12683c5e9a03833633c5bd6983444bc6", "post_id": "post-221032", "text": "I noticed in the wiki we have the need for 52 different textures for elements, none of which have developers. I have almost no texturing skill so i can't volunteer, but do we really need all of those?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.640328704Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-21T05:18:09+0100", "id": "9a49baa7a9945eb14765b5ad22d6ccff", "post_id": "post-220947", "text": "Urwumpe said:http:\/\/iaaweb.org\/iaa\/Scientific Activity\/Study Groups\/SG Commission 2\/sg22\/sg22finalreportr.pdf\n\nWow, quite a few new concepts to go through. I really wish I am taking physics now,:)Alright, I was going to ask about if we really needed artificial gravity, but now looking at the consequences of not having artificial gravity, I changed my mind:)The article says;Indeed, the physiologic responses to continuous exposure to anything other than 1 G are unknown.\n\nI wish they never canceled the CAM...The article goes on to 'Continuous Artificial Gravity Questions.' Maybe this could be a goal of our 'scientific research' on Mars;)...So just making sure I understand Coriolis right, if the astronaut stands\/shifts\/moves, it alters the feeling of gravity or force dependent on distances from the center, direction of the movement and velocity of the movement.This is obviously undesirable since the feeling of gravity will change because of the small(er) distances we have to work with, and will cause space sickness.Urwumpe said:For the MSS - The maximum long-term spin-rate for producing artificial gravity without critical Coriolis force is 6 rpm, and since I assumed in the hab design that it gets such artificial gravity during Mars-Earth transfer (only short phases of micro-gravity), this means the minimum distance from rotation axis to Hab bottom is 12.6 meters. If we use a longer radius, the differences in artificial gravity become less, and we can use even smaller rotation rates.Thus a long boom like structure would be optimal in the MSS design. If we want only 10% variance in artificial gravity between top and bottom of the hab, the length would have to be 126 meters...it scales linear.\n\nI am assuming your meaning a station design like on page 14, and I take it you don't think a simple small module where the astronaut can lay in, (say when sleeping for 8 hours a day) so the astronaut will not move and more or less sit in a mummy bag and be mostly immobilized will be suitable for long duration trips, let alone Mars journeys.The only problems I can foresee, is;1. Additional fuel for start\/stopping rotation2. Ability to make fast rotations ie, is RCS good enough so we don't spend hours trying to get up to speed?Side questions:Where do you find those kind of articles?I am going fromthis... how did you figure out those figures?:eek:wned:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.789607936Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-03-19T01:06:07+0000", "id": "a9abab09a761d35e756b36f9cb40e2f3", "post_id": "post-251139", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Madrid Event Marks Spain's Role in Next Mars MissionMarch 17, 2011Spain is providing a key science instrument and the high-gain antenna communication subsystem for NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission, on track for launch this year.At a small ceremony held March 17, 2011, in Madrid, representatives of the United States and Spain signed an agreement for cooperation on the mission. Signers included Alan D. Solomont, U.S. ambassador to Spain; Arturo Azcorra, director general of Spain's Center for the Development of Industrial Technology; and Jaime Denis, director general of Spain's National Institute for Aerospace Technology. Spain's Minister of Defense Carme Chacon Piqueras and Minister of Science and Innovation Cristina Garmendia Mendizabal were also present.Click on image for details\u200bSensors on two finger-like mini-booms extending horizontally from the mast of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity will monitor wind speed, wind direction and air temperature. Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bThe Mars Science Laboratory instrument provided by Spain is the Remote Environmental Monitoring Station, which will measure daily and seasonal changes in weather using sensors on the mast, on the deck and inside the mission's rover. The rover's high-gain antenna will send and receive communications directly between the rover and Earth, using X-band radio transmissions.The mission's rover, named Curiosity, is currently in vacuum-chamber testing at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., where it is being built and tested. This is part of preparation for launch during the period Nov. 25 to Dec. 18, 2011, and landing on Mars in August 2012. Its 10 science investigations will assess the modern environment of the landing area and clues about environments billions of years ago.{...}NASA\/ NASA JPL:Next Mars Rover Gets a Test Taste of Mars ConditionsMarch 18, 2011A space-simulation chamber at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., is temporary home this month for the Curiosity rover, which will land on Mars next year.Tests inside the 25-foot-diameter chamber (7.6-meters) are putting the rover through various sequences in environmental conditions resembling Martian surface conditions. After the chamber's large door was sealed last week, air was pumped out to near-vacuum pressure, liquid nitrogen in the walls dropped the temperature to minus 130 degrees Celsius (minus 202 degrees Fahrenheit), and a bank of powerful lamps simulated the intensity of sunshine on Mars.Images of Curiosity in the chamber just before the door was sealed are at:http:\/\/photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov\/catalog\/PIA13805andhttp:\/\/photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov\/catalog\/PIA13806.Click on images for details\u200bThis image shows preparation for one phase of testing of the Mars Science Laboratory rover, Curiosity. Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bThis image shows preparation for March 2011 testing of the Mars Science Laboratory rover, Curiosity, in a 25-foot-diameter (7.6-meter-diameter) space-simulation chamber. Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bOther portions of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft, including the cruise stage, descent stage and backshell, remain in JPL's Spacecraft Assembly Facility, where Curiosity was assembled and where the rover will return after the simulation-chamber tests. In coming months, those flight system components and the rover will be shipped to NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida for final preparations before the launch period of Nov. 25 to Dec. 18, 2011.The mission will use Curiosity to study one of the most intriguing places on Mars -- still to be selected from among four finalist landing-site candidates. It will study whether a selected area of Mars has offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life and for preserving evidence about whether Martian life has existed.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.566755328Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2013-11-18T17:57:04+0000", "id": "31639423239f8ea25c27ca4f7db118cd", "post_id": "post-220445", "text": "If first stage can do SSTO then adding cheap and crude second stage will probably double the payload capacity and allow to launch payloads to higher orbits which SSTO could not do.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.657035776Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-02T21:28:35+0100", "id": "9134b033c151f996f6ff424b01602b78", "post_id": "post-220566", "text": "Here's some ideas for landing sites.[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3955\"]Columbia Hills and Spirit landingsite for MER-2003[\/nomedia][nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3952\"]Ausonia Mensa[\/nomedia]There is always Olympus... I'd assume we'd get rid of the default Olympus base?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.864976896Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2012-08-06T06:16:34+0100", "id": "61c6a0df966551bc33ebfe11a89bb1be", "post_id": "post-251546", "text": "Attitude Control is taking cell phone pics.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.610290944Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T19:25:53+0100", "id": "04ae8076186add3b2d82b18b9dc6e27a", "post_id": "post-220537", "text": "Ok, social group started here:http:\/\/orbiter-forum.com\/group.php?groupid=43", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.08753664Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2012-04-27T14:35:29+0100", "id": "dffd3048fa6f16c176c55a624208bec5", "post_id": "post-219568", "text": "Something cool on it's own.A view of a park, 150MP, 8Mb.Regular camera, NIR.http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/etc\/park_150mp.jpgIn there you can see my my camera in the wild, taking a picture:I've finally sorted out last set of problems with noise and instability in 3.4um imaging, and wanted to take a good full resolution picture in a new location.But the picture kind of fizzled - loose wire.Back home, some quick fixing and testing shown the capability restored:And a full resolution test picture followed - the same boring view from the window, upper MWIR band.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.984211968Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-11T19:17:30+0100", "id": "b95c42ac493ec8999aa5cdd7e4ab49e2", "post_id": "post-251807", "text": "The send-you-name-to-mars pr thing --http:\/\/marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov\/msl\/multimedia\/interactives\/learncuriosity\/index-2.html", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.079163136Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-07-12T05:38:36+0100", "id": "231f167e13278f1ae0400eb1a6633e9d", "post_id": "post-219517", "text": "That's awesome, George! I especially like the airplane trails in the Germany video:http:\/\/www.spacelapse.net\/en\/Milkyway_Timelapse_Videos\/Welzheim_Observatory.htmlI have seen some amazing photographs taken in the American Southwest from inside caves showing the walls of the cave as well as the Milky Way outside in the sky. I wish I knew how to do that!---------- Post added 07-12-10 at 12:38 AM ---------- Previous post was 07-11-10 at 04:31 PM ----------BTW, here's an idea to build the world's biggest pinhole camera in space to take actaul photographs of extrasolar planets:http:\/\/www.astrobio.net\/pressrelease\/1226\/pinhole-camera-to-image-new-worldsIt would involve a shade with a 10m pinhole aperature and a second, trailing space vehicle many miles away which would carry the light sensor and act as a synthetic focal plane.This was 2004; I wonder if this idea still lurks somewhere. I'm tempted to post it in the addon request forum.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.608737024Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-02T14:05:18+0100", "id": "31f62a6ec7b6165c61b98b107b94b2f0", "post_id": "post-220527", "text": "TheEyes said:I'll fly the Arrow!! Me! Pick Me! Pick Meeeeeeeeeeee!!!\n\nCan you fly itwithoutwarp drive yet?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.096903168Z", "author": "Scrooge McDuck", "date": "2008-05-27T00:08:44+0100", "id": "0e77eb6dca60d5b02913b5f0929e475f", "post_id": "post-69022", "text": "Thanks for the commentsreverend said:Wiring them in series will do the trick, however you'd need to use a perfect size battery. [..]Once one ignitor breaks there's no more current to the other ignitors.\n\nPeoplehereuse a parallel setup for that particular reason, I can imagine the change of failure in a series wiring will be larger because of this problem... So I'm a little bit confused what should be the best. I almost can't imagine that wiring them in series will even work, but apparently it does.Just make sure you have a guide stick long enough so that 1) all motors have time to ignite, and 2) you have enough velocity to maintain it's own stability.\n\nAh ok, but do you mean that the ignitors have longer cables so they can be lifted a little while the rocket is guided but not simultaneously ignited?About the Held-1000 engines; yes there are some different specifications on the internet about what class they are, but they actually do burn for about 5 seconds!Durchmesser : 15,2mmL\u00e4nge 94 mmGesamtimpuls: 7,25 NsSchubdauer: 5,5 sVerz\u00f6gerung: keineAussto\u00df: jaregards,mcduck", "thread_id": 1627 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586896896Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-17T16:00:55+0100", "id": "81c8f5ee5afa8abcfecbbc3ecb841d34", "post_id": "post-220254", "text": "RGClark said:No offense, but he's a professor and the chairman of the dept. of aerospace engineering at the University of Maryland. I trust you will not be offended if I take his opinion more seriously on the issue than others.\n\nIf you like to be argued by authority, fine. But if you are unable to talk to me like to a sentient being and don't have better arguments than \"it is so because this professor said so\", you might already have noticed that I am not impressed at all.My personal experience with professors tells me that preparing lectures is not always very high on their schedule, and even the better ones often like to use one set of lecture compatible models done in a week over researching better models in a year.Also, if I would be professor (which I am really not, but how could you tell if I don't tell you so), would my argument then become automatically better than the argument of somebody else who is not?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558864384Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-09T22:57:36+0000", "id": "0c40e398b2f5e8eebfa9313ff666dada", "post_id": "post-220352", "text": "T.Neo said:At least some people seem to believe that it is possible to augment already existing engines, but as I understand it the practicality (or downright possibility) of doing so depends on the engine.Also, it would not just be a \"hurz i just bolted this TAN thingy on mah engine lulz it works now betterer\" excersise, but still far, far easier than building some sort of zombie aerospike as you suggested (if said zombie aerospike is possible at all).So I take it aerospikes do improve vacuum ISP performance (i.e. higher ISP for chamber pressure)? I think I understand it more clearly now...Such as?\n\nI was including the TAN among the possibilities that might be adapted more easily than the aerospike to current engines.The expansion-deflection nozzle Skylon was planning on might be another, but I've heard conflicting opinions on its effectiveness.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.435970048Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-09-01T04:15:30+0100", "id": "e9ba8b833091ee093d0bc7d50caea6c8", "post_id": "post-252526", "text": "Hartmann said:It means that the sky now can show the milk way and nebulas ??\n\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=X7nwp8C8l3Q:thumbup:", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.487391232Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-30T15:24:08+0100", "id": "0232b5570c6e6589e79303b777835fad", "post_id": "post-219990", "text": "Is that a problem? I think starboard and port are less confusing then left and right.;)Also, much more words in spaceflight actually come from geocentric astrology.", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.559686656Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-11T17:54:31+0000", "id": "a4a5fc7a0a323aa72f9f857b78f58186", "post_id": "post-220360", "text": "Also, try using your TAN concept for the Falcon 9 engines with a reasonable vacuum thrust and Isp on Schilling's launch performance site. What do you get for the payload of the SSTO?\n\nI never suggested an SSTO, I suggested a modification to the current TSTO.Running the numbers through the Schilling launch calculator would be pointless because the numbers would only be a guess.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.463761152Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-01T03:08:08+0100", "id": "983058406a75bcd1b8ae271b922b7c3b", "post_id": "post-252613", "text": "The manual is included in the packaged files within the \"Doc\" folder. It's called \"Orbiter.pdf\" - however, there are no install instructions per se, because it doesn't need to be installed. Simply unpack the files and play!As for addon management, I recommend JSGME, which can be found with all good search engines. It seems to work fine with Orbiter for me and gets the job done nicely.", "thread_id": 16313 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611965696Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-06T18:27:49+0100", "id": "8e31db0c04e7940df4110b92cd69109b", "post_id": "post-220713", "text": "Bloodworth said:While I agree with everything you've just said, part of simulating the tasks is the actual flights. How exactly THEY play out depends on where in their orbits they are, which is determined by the date. I have nothing against starting the mission in the present, I just thought it would be better to start at a later one. If there actually IS an issue with using later dates (actually STARTING at a later date, not simply time warping there) then it was a bad idea on my part and I will circular file the later date idea in a heartbeat.\n\nI suggest having a look-see atTHISpage, which has a list of dates and the distance of Mars from Earth at those dates (for oppositions and closest approaches.)2003 had a pretty close approach, comparable to many of the later dates.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.562781184Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-07-07T08:06:56+0100", "id": "fcf6335cff88941b7bbe0855c150afea", "post_id": "post-220403", "text": "RGClark said:The increasing problem of space junk is getting greater discussion recently:Space junk at 'tipping point', now getting worse on its own.More collisions generate more debris, so more collisions.By Gavin ClarkePosted in Space, 2nd September 2011 11:18 GMThttp:\/\/www.theregister.co.uk\/2011\/09\/02\/space_junk_danger\/One company is planning on reusable in-space vehicles to refuel and service satellites. The Air Force favors this since this may also be used to tow inactive satellites out the way of operable satellites, thus reducing the problem of space debris:Article:World's First Space Gas Station for Satellites to Launch in 2015.by Clara Moskowitz, SPACE.com Senior WriterDate: 15 March 2011 Time: 06:03 PM ET\"Until now, satellites orbiting around Earth have been limited by how much fuel they carry onboard. Once those tanks run dry, the satellites die, sometimes languishing in space as uncontrollable debris that then poses the risk of colliding with other spacecraft.\"The new plan offers the potential not just to extend the lives of working satellites, but to help combat the growing space junk problem. The satellite, called the Space Infrastructure Servicing (SIS) vehicle, is designed not just to transfer more fuel into existing satellites, but to inspect, tow, reposition and make minor repairs to them.\"In addition to its tank of fuel, the refueling satellite will carry a robotic arm that can be used to grab onto satellites and tug at stuck solar array panels, for example, or attempt other minor fixes to broken parts.'This is a first-time-ever, huge, huge, huge event,' said Andrew Palowitch, director of the Space Protection Program, a joint project of U.S. Air Force Space Command and the National Reconnaissance Office, speaking at a National Research Council workshop on orbital debrislast week.\"Palowitch stressed that the ability to tow or refuel dead satellites in order to steer them out of the way would have a big impact on the growing problem of dangerous space debris clogging the crowded corridors of Earth orbit. [Worst Space Debris Events of All Time]'In the context of debris removal, this is the absolute best and absolute most fantastic new venture for the entire space community,' he said.\"The refueling satellite will be able to move dead spacecraft to what's called the 'graveyard orbit,' where they are high enough that they should not pose a risk to working satellites, or maneuver them low enough that they break apart in Earth's atmosphere.\"http:\/\/www.space.com\/11135-satellite-refueling-mission-space-debris.htmlThen the Air Force recognizes the usefulness of reusable vehicles, when they are in-space. However, the importance of reusable SSTO's is that they could also return these satellites to Earth for repair or salvage.Remember the old science fiction series Salvage 1:Salvage 1.Salvage 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe theme of the show was a small \"home made\" spaceship was used to return space junk to Earth. I used to think the show was quite implausible because the spaceship went all the way to the Moon and everybody \"knows\" it takes huge Saturn V sized rockets to do that.However, as I discussed in post#136small, low cost SSTO's are indeed possible. And it is a known fact that if you have refueling in LEO then an SSTO can go all the way to the Moon, land, take off, and return to Earth on that one single refueling. So in fact the idea of salvaging spacecraft or satellites from the Moon and\/or from GEO is feasible with SSTO's and on-orbit propellant depots.Then this provides another financial benefit for SSTO's for private developers and for the Air Force. Imagine being able to retrieve satellites, the largest of which can cost upwards of a billion dollars, for reuse or possibly for sale. This does though raise the question of what would be the salvage laws for space.\n\nHere's a link to the full pilot movie:A single stage vehicle that can travel to the Moon and back is possible now with standard chemical propulsion if you have orbital refueling:The Coming SSTO's.http:\/\/exoscientist.blogspot.com\/2012\/05\/coming-sstos.htmlBob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.730228992Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-11-28T15:11:30+0000", "id": "dab8362a9faea59d62ad98a3eca858c3", "post_id": "post-251318", "text": "Arrowstar said:Assuming no early electrical\/mechanical failures on MSL during the science phase of the mission, how long can the rover run on its RTG?\n\nWrong question - a RTG does not fail instantly. It will slowly degrade and produce less power. In the best case, it can run for 60 years before its power output is half of what it was in the beginning, including the inevitable that the materials to convert the decay into electricity will slowly degrade.50% of the initial power might still be enough to power many experiments, maybe even drive if the drive system will survive that long.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.633045504Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-19T02:05:51+0100", "id": "dc8d1823ae55ccb15e16b55ef1b1aeda", "post_id": "post-220903", "text": "Alright, I see your list now. Thanks, Bj. I'll get right on it. (Although, you may as well have just sent me a periodic table :lol:)I assume that, since it says 'static,' the cargo won't have to do anything (IE we're not keeping track of the quantity, only the mass of the cargoes)?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.567917824Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-19T16:35:36+0000", "id": "95a73ec1c47a8bb1bce7c394e9e8a8ea", "post_id": "post-220454", "text": "50,000dollars per launch.... \"100 fold reduction\" to the Falcon 9, which then costs 5 million per launch - instead of the 50-60 million that he says in the beginning (which is still damn low - the older Delta 2 costs the same - bit the 60 million )...They should really get a guy to step on Elons feet when ever he starts talking about something involving numbers or math...That number would be enough money to just pay10 engineers for one week, without any spare parts or transportation costs. Ten times more would still be very low, 5 million would be a more realistic value if you have a good reuse ratio. If he would let Volkswagen of America assembly line workers handle the job, the $50,000 would be enough for 30 workers in a week.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.97945344Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-08-08T18:35:06+0100", "id": "77ea737ea2d119ad48ac193dbd08f2af", "post_id": "post-251776", "text": "Picture of the heat shield being dropped during the descent :", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652724992Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-12T17:00:16+0100", "id": "a89564c69c6e535ff9b6553ca095b8ba", "post_id": "post-221056", "text": "Columbia42 said:One place where I think we could end up wasting fuel is on the hab module's engines. All that module needs to do is deorbit (for this we can use a small, solid fueled engine). As for taking off from the surface, I think we should avoid carrying that engine\/fuel (Some of the fuel can be produced in situ) down to the surface on the same flight as the hab module. Instead maybe we could leave room for some kind of detachable engine\/fuel tank on the hab module. This could be brought down seperately and attached on the surface in preperation for liftoff.\n\nYes, that is what I mean with the skycrane concept - have a separate propulsion module\/reusable shuttle, that lands the hab module by means of a long tether connection that permits some distance to the surface from the landing engine.What I don't yet have is a good way to return back to Earth, I am torn between using a Earth Return Vessel (ERV) that fits into the 40 ton landing envelope of the skycrane, and attaching a lighter crew module to the skycrane after landing\/refueling on Mars, that rendezvous with the interplanetary spacecraft in Mars orbit.The ERV would permit a direct return when combined with an inflatable habitat module, the second one would require less mass to be transported to Mars - essentially just a light cabin with a docking port.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.620203264Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-10T03:02:41+0100", "id": "dff0c227ccfb4ed1da5fb5cab6cfe88c", "post_id": "post-220784", "text": "Bloodworth said:Here's a thought. Are the UCGO miners repackageable? I can't seem to get mine (no pun intended) to repack. If they become permanent once unpacked, then we will have to be VERY selective on where we place them, and we will still likely need to bring several of them with us.\n\nI don't know, is the [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4577\"]GDI MkI Miner.[\/nomedia]r packable\/unpackable? Add it to the wish list if it isn't. --or we can start working on our own miner. Whichever way I guess.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.996186368Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-08-16T15:47:54+0100", "id": "e61f7c5d45cb4128ffccdc1d2327a1fb", "post_id": "post-251177", "text": "T.Neo said:I wonder why they have such strict clean-room protocols. Won't the thing just get dirty on Mars anyway? :lol:Maybe it's partially due to planetary protection.\n\nThey don't want to contaminate Mars with alien (Earth) life forms (yet).;)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.654281728Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-13T13:41:03+0100", "id": "54033d1c089c54641b111ba7cc01f63f", "post_id": "post-221069", "text": "Perhaps, could we do what the Apollo men did? We launch a couple of missions that orbit Mars and then come back as well as testing the landing module in space. And perhaps we could launch the stack in stages. We launch the return engines, and supply modules to Mars orbit first. Then perhaps we could launch the science laboratory, the habitat module, the Earth-Mars Engines, and the lander. Perhaps during the next launch window, the Earth-Mars Engines, the return engines, a new habitat module, supply modules, and finally solar arrays, for powering the in orbit laboratory.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.625330688Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-12T04:20:56+0100", "id": "8d634e347d59fb2b365e2e8a0015a760", "post_id": "post-220828", "text": "Well while I was at work I had a sort of brain storm involving the LOSPS. Rather than using say the Carina 2 satellites perhaps it would be more prudent to use the UCGO unfolding satellite. As the weight less and with a dedicated launcher or heavily modded one. Rather than one rocket. One launch one satellite. Hows about one Rocker one launch. 6 satellites. Which would provide an uninterrupted signal to base and back. Provide weather recon on the martian surface and act as a global martian Positioning system.http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=14057Case in point", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.008272896Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-11-08T12:15:52+0000", "id": "f3859bab00e48e89418f2f2b46fc450d", "post_id": "post-251991", "text": "I missed this story when it came out last month:Weather On Mars Surprisingly Warm, Curiosity Rover Finds.by SPACE.com StaffDate: 01 October 2012 Time: 07:00 AM ET\"If this warm trend carries on into summer, we might even be able to foresee temperatures in the 20s [Celsius], and that would be really exciting from a habitability point of view,\" G\u00f3mez said. \"In the daytimes, we could see temperatures high enough for liquid water on a regular basis. But it\u2019s too soon to tell whether that will happen or whether these warm temperatures are just a blip.\u201dhttp:\/\/www.space.com\/17828-mars-weather-curiosity-rover-discovery.html\n\nBob Clark", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.085696768Z", "author": "FordPrefect", "date": "2010-09-13T18:49:02+0100", "id": "455a89baba8b8306fa2b9eb4ac35aeb5", "post_id": "post-219554", "text": "Cool video George! In the 2x time lapse part (00:21 to 00:23), you can clearly discern the Earth shadow approaching from the left. Nice!", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.43244288Z", "author": "Usonian", "date": "2008-05-11T14:23:55+0100", "id": "8d9f503998461b1206328e4aa7b8a6ae", "post_id": "post-65192", "text": "My guess is that a \"humanitarian\" invasion will never happen.Does Burma have vast oil reserves (like the Middle East)? Does Burma's instability threaten to spill over into some portion of the \"1st World\" (like the Balkans?). Although I confess a shocking lack of geographical knowlege for this part of the world, I am pretty sure the answer to both questions is, \"No.\" There are no vital 1st World interests at stake in Burma.The recent efforts to aid Indonesia show that 1st World countries will act on purely humanitarian motives - no vital interests there, either. But Indonesia is an open country, and that openess allowed a tidal wave of shocking video images to flood 1st World TVs and PCs, which inspired most of the aid. I could see Americans supporting aid drops, unapproved by the Burmese government, right up until the first plane is shot down - or just shot at.Pre-emptive Warfare is bad policy, whether the motive is humanitarianism or hunger for oil. Why do people (especially Americans) continue to leap so quickly for a military solution?", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.035176704Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-11-14T20:55:07+0000", "id": "be76fe8e338c48a7e3e170028e78525c", "post_id": "post-252121", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog - Ken Herkenhoff:Curiosity Update: A stop at Cooperstown and a warm reset, sols 433-451", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.090848Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2013-12-17T13:52:55+0000", "id": "36239faadc01e260a8a386d41dfb8bcf", "post_id": "post-219593", "text": "statickid said:Oh is it the green lights?\n\nHuh? You have got me looking for them, now. :lol:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.441388032Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-28T21:50:10+0100", "id": "964aa64ada60cdd07475029db975c4c0", "post_id": "post-219828", "text": "Zachstar said:Anyone here grab one of those new AMD 6 core CPUs yet? The silicon on those badboys is supposed to be far superior to my C2 Phenom II X3\n\nI looked at it and must admit to being tempted to switch to the red team after having been on the green team for the last several years, but some of the reviews\/benchmarks, especially for gaming, were less than glowing.", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.50138496Z", "author": "Mandella", "date": "2010-09-01T23:59:50+0100", "id": "8d200345d8d544336071a39cebd83cc6", "post_id": "post-252713", "text": "Been using dropbox since it was in beta. It's great for quick sharing\/syncing all your non-sensitive files between not just your own, but with the computers of friends too. It's especially handy for quickly syncing files between multiple computers on a casual network. (Such as impromptu LAN parties.) *Very handy.*It's not the only solution for this type of task, nor even the best, but its ease of use means that it is my preferred option when working with my Liberal Arts Major friends.:)Now, the thing is if you are an uber geek you've already been running VPN and file sharing software for years and you'll have no use for this. But it's a great app for the more casual user base -- heck, it's even installable on an IPad!As for the security issue, I'll be kind and assume that dropbox is being erroneously equated with some shady peer-to-peer app. That is not its function at all. And as for the \"what if it just starts scanning your computer and uploading *anything it wants*!??\" -- well, the same could be said for any of the dozens (hundreds?) of instances of internet connected commercial software I have currently installed. Hell, even my virus checker could be doing that and I would not know it.But the thing is there are plenty of paranoid network geeks who constantly monitor their netflow to catch that sort of thing when it happens, and I try to keep up with the news. (And in fact, it does happen. As far as I know, the World of Warfare software still scans your machine for certain \"illicit\" apps, and that is one reason (among several!) that I will not play that game.", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.14717952Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-04-28T04:33:05+0100", "id": "d14af64d5be2a1a784ba35b096e384f8", "post_id": "post-219656", "text": "cjp said:http:\/\/translate.google.com\/#auto|en|eeltI don't know, ...but did they do this check?\n\n:lol:Hielor said:Now...I haven't taken geography in a few years, but when did Chile move to Europe?\n\nI guess if you are going to cough up all the money, you can call it whatever you want.", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.647784704Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-08T18:53:55+0100", "id": "58747a8d010b4c6b59fbcc2a006e929b", "post_id": "post-221012", "text": "Permission to set up a small orbital station?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.6217856Z", "author": "Jax6213", "date": "2008-06-19T11:09:36+0100", "id": "af96b1c248cd2935e8c91740af4e56c8", "post_id": "post-69084", "text": "Okay! I found them. Thanks", "thread_id": 1634 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.163527424Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-04-28T22:16:05+0100", "id": "e4c492770ec8c3fc8ccde8f53cfa2f47", "post_id": "post-219671", "text": "Spaceflight Now: \"Latest cargo ship heads for International Space Station\".---------- Post added at 10:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:12 PM ----------From ISS Daily Report for 28\/04\/2010:At the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, the new cargo ship Progress M-05M\/37P was launched successfully today at 1:15 PM EDT on a Soyuz-U rocket. Ascent was nominal, and all spacecraft systems are without issues. Docking to the ISS at the DC-1 is planned for Saturday (1\/5) at ~2:35 PM. 37P carries 2395 kg (5280 lbs) of cargo, specifically: 870 kg (1,918 lbs) propellants, 50 kg (110 lbs) oxygen & air, 100 kg (220 lbs) water and 1375 kg (3,031 lbs) spare parts & experiment hardware.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.665427968Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-05T01:15:36+0100", "id": "bc26e2ea4da9eaaac345b82b6f1e81c1", "post_id": "post-220651", "text": "Agreed, at this rate, the stack will be too massive for the Nerva 2. Perhaps we can use one Nerva (with correct amount of tanks) to boost the stack to the moon, then ditch it Saturn IVB style and then do the moon-earth slingshot, and use the Stack's remaining Nerva to boost to Mars. A little complicated, but shouldn't be too hard. Have you tried to get the stack you are working on to eject towards Mars?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.008159744Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2012-11-02T20:21:47+0000", "id": "4edd98713b2997108b0f32fcef9facb6", "post_id": "post-251989", "text": "statickid said:those wheels have a surprising amount of dents in them!\n\nCuriosity's mass is 900 kg. On Mars, her weight is around 3300 N, which makes for around 550 N per each wheel, or equivalent to about 55 kg mass on Earth. That's like having 55 kg pressing down on her wheels with a rock that touches the wheels with the surface area of a pencil...It's tough to get the scale of the rover from the images, but this thing ain't no \"cute lil rover\" like the ones before.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.427702528Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-04-28T16:16:25+0100", "id": "40bab0cc2ce226206e2a421774591ba1", "post_id": "post-219808", "text": "http:\/\/www.setiquest.org\/They are uploading all the raw data to that site and accepting code donations probably wont find any signals but still we can help find them if we are bored.", "thread_id": 14048 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.621958912Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-10T20:57:41+0100", "id": "314710c4f21ba82c168540b626d4ea94", "post_id": "post-220799", "text": "I think we should at least gather the alternatives in written form for having an overview of the concepts. Currently, we just brainstorm ideas, which is good, but it gets harder with the post count to keep the concepts together.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.167869952Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-08-30T06:22:27+0100", "id": "e5f52ea821e47878e56d7ee4ecab5643", "post_id": "post-252314", "text": "jinglesassy said:Wow....TAKE THAT CORPORATE AMER.....CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!\n\n...wut?", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560183552Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-02-10T12:56:33+0000", "id": "9d950241338e348ef492390f912357f2", "post_id": "post-220367", "text": "I see nothing amiss there. Except this:Musk says he expects \"single-digit hours\" between landing and next flight, at least for the lower stages.\n\nMusk is nuts. :rofl:", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.625571328Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-12T04:55:37+0100", "id": "fd6af977246938fe51f0a05e457e4b94", "post_id": "post-220831", "text": "I was thinking about the UCGO satellites earlier. Never saw that adapter before. Great idea, Salun.I'm also against the aerobraking idea. I'd rather just use the stack's own engines and burn retrograde to get into orbit. If we are making our own fuel on the planet's surface, wasting fuel for orbit insertion isn't a big deal.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.478684416Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-10-01T10:33:07+0100", "id": "d6667d643ee132348fb8da628cf299b0", "post_id": "post-252657", "text": "Yes, more questions than answers!The orifice is interesting as you will get a pressure drop across it. Don't think i'll be able to work out the pressure on the other side of it unless we know the size?Wonder why they have a valve each side of the heat-exchanger? Redundancy, or control of pressure during startup? Did both valves open at the same time, or in some order?Think I'll try another approach, and see how much energy is getting to the heat-exchanger after its driven the turbo-pumps. I think i have a value for the gas-generator.N.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.616243968Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-08T13:34:09+0100", "id": "4c0a7063e06b9aaca0dbaa5eb3358d42", "post_id": "post-220750", "text": "supersonic said:I vote Bj as the project manager.\n\nWho says that this job is democratically elected? Who shouts too loud gets the job, and all that comes with it: Gastritis, loss of hair, meetings, ties and even more meetings. And you'll realize how much time passed, when your young daughter tells you the next time you see her that she'll get married.Is always like that in spaceflight. If you are no convinced alpha (fe)male, don't even think about the job. You are only doing this as long as you swim on top of the wave, and for doing this job, you need to be convinced that you are the only person who can do it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.64579072Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-06T13:16:58+0100", "id": "a42b05326ed7c933947b4638a9dc5b53", "post_id": "post-220995", "text": "Voyager said:Anyway... Perhaps we should make a social group for this?\n\nOh:probe:! We already have one!http:\/\/orbiter-forum.com\/group.php?groupid=43What about you read the thread from the beginning... your ideas are not new, we are already way past LEO here.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.608664832Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-03T22:48:50+0100", "id": "f56144451ae89c6d7490b99550c55dab", "post_id": "post-252959", "text": "Is this going to have onboard \"cryo\" modules?", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.785030912Z", "author": "mnagelvoort", "date": "2010-04-28T19:51:21+0100", "id": "d93e4f8b9bf81b60954e088454cd74e5", "post_id": "post-219323", "text": "I start the AMSO at stage 13, I can undock with ctrl-d. Do i need to set a target with Transx?, the moon landing sites are on the map but how do i tell transx to with a landing site? Or am i just totally lost -Can someone give me a step by step - thanks", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660156928Z", "author": "Kveldulf", "date": "2010-05-03T19:24:42+0100", "id": "ba04931e6c3fda2e35f43b1eb54c20a2", "post_id": "post-220600", "text": "I love the idea of this. I'll toss my hat in as a pilot on this mission.When it comes to ideas about what ship to use, I personally vote for the Arrow as well. The stack idea is interesting, but then we'd need a lot of missions before we actually were able to do anything other then construction. Given that, we'd be running missions every other day or so, to get the ship built within a reasonable time-frame, and to keep people interested. If we don't get enough people together to do this, then the same... 5 people (for instance) would be flying, and that may not work with other people's schedules. As for me, I'd probably get burned out on Orbiter before the mission got out of orbit.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.234150912Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-08-30T23:25:18+0100", "id": "361c5ab50194f40ec2e5d3b5bfbd976f", "post_id": "post-252369", "text": "Could you explain just a bit more? I am not sure what you meant.", "thread_id": 16289 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.076448768Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-06-30T04:35:01+0100", "id": "92bb41affd9fc8b7cdba7e63002220ce", "post_id": "post-219505", "text": "Another interesting perspective of the galaxy from APOD:http:\/\/antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov\/apod\/ap100629.htmlThat page also links to some more cool fisheye photos:http:\/\/digital-photography-school.com\/15-fun-fabulous-fisheye-photos", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.662371072Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T05:36:12+0100", "id": "9a89ec0af5dca1836a2d145d9d26957f", "post_id": "post-220621", "text": "Vessel Stack seems quite confusing to use (there are no instructions whatsoever) and a little buggy, but doable if someone can figure it out. I wasn't aware of it before, but if it works it could save some trouble.My only other qualm is that it's at least one less thing to do when we get there (build the station).If we're going to build a stack from scratch though, this would definitely be worth looking at.---------- Post added at 04:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:32 AM ----------Bj said:I am guessing so, either that or we lug down all 40x cargo (what 4 at a time?) with an XR2\/DGIV. Or.... we develop some kind of heat shield platform similar toUMmu reentry packOnly it will hold 40x cargo. I wonder how difficult it would be to 'parashoot' it in. :shrug:\n\nOne great big Paracone. That's a good idea, actually. So long as it's just cargo in there, strapping it to a shield and dropping it in's not so bad at all. Not entirely safe if we're relying on that shipment for the astronauts' survival, though. (And that could be US if we're doing the UMmu thing :lol:)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.632781056Z", "author": "orbitingpluto", "date": "2010-09-03T05:35:18+0100", "id": "0f431228d442334dbd11099b493b1636", "post_id": "post-253019", "text": "So there is three Buran addons at Orbit hanger: C[ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=755\"]VEL-Buran[\/ame], [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2181\"]BURAN2[\/ame], and [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=458\"]Buran3.03Beta[\/ame]. The question is which is the best. I read on the forums that none are fantastic, and there seems to be a group of Orbinauts out there that have asked for a good Buran to use. I found that I can hook the stock Atlantis up to a Energia and if I squint it almost looks like a proper Buran... from about a km away.:lol: So thats what their competing with, and I would like it if people respond with comparisons between the stock Atlatis and the three Burans, as Atlantis could pretend to be a Buran and fly as one on a Energia. Although I tried Atlantis on a Energia and it works, I would like the thing Energia was built to use. For one thing, the Buran doesn't have to lug around those darn SSMEs...", "thread_id": 16342 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.620291328Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-10T04:44:21+0100", "id": "5e7a73b21afe1b52128abff9737799ab", "post_id": "post-220785", "text": "I haven't downloaded it but I don't think it is.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.824120064Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-29T20:17:01+0100", "id": "e274b8f75c66473f098085a4b51c5d11", "post_id": "post-219427", "text": "History always could have happened differently, but it happened like it happened.\n\nit allways repeats itself too... Let's say we become a species able to travel the stellar void, and happen upon a technologically inferior society. I don't think the story would end much differently as it ended in america (provided they have something of interest). It is a logical conclusion that the same might be possible if a superior race happens uppon us.Of course they would most probably be more advanced sociologically (lest they would have blown themselfes up with their antimatter-tech or whatever insane energysource brought them here), but I don't know how far they would have been able to overcome the \"we\/the others\" scheme on a species-to-species basis. A lot might hinge on wheather we are the first alien civilisation they happen upon or not. If yes, they might be just as much at a loss about what to do as we are... just that they sit on the longer lever, and the safety of your own species always comes first.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.924797696Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-08-06T06:57:08+0100", "id": "72495cd484cbed662bcd1517b60c38b2", "post_id": "post-251648", "text": "Keatah said:In any case, machines have better capaiblities than a man in a space suit. Time is too limited for people on EVA. Whereas a machine is on 24\/7 eva..!\n\nAnd humans do way more on a single hour of EVA than all unmanned probes together in years.Curiosity will travel 200 meters per day and that is one epic number for a unmanned rover. On Apollo 17, the astronauts traveled 21 miles or 34 kilometers in three days of EVA.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.620465664Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-05-10T06:39:08+0100", "id": "966ff92a28b284210ff665701079cf10", "post_id": "post-220786", "text": "The miner isn't repackable as of yet. I can certainly have a look and see if I can make it so.Will try and get the ore mill finished in the next couple days and shouldn't take long to rejig the miner.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.52832384Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T20:37:40+0100", "id": "1ba76b5e758085e35213351514ef2ab0", "post_id": "post-220066", "text": "jinglesassy said:Since when has there been an automated soyuz?\n\nPretty often:http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Soyuz_TM-1", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.977884928Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2012-08-08T07:49:15+0100", "id": "9e7b1d0dbd66c7d1385618beb24f2ba0", "post_id": "post-251765", "text": "Ripley said:Me too. And how big is Gale.\n\nAccording toNASAits 154 kilometers in diameter.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663799296Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-04T18:51:13+0100", "id": "017c0e51ee7e43bcf8ac8edb078da37a", "post_id": "post-220636", "text": "Once we have a definite name, I`ll whip us up a mission patch. I`ll probably wait until we get a more finalized stack, so I can include it. I have a few ideas going.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55023744Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-05-02T17:57:13+0100", "id": "1680ed67e670dd7f99fa0610e719cd13", "post_id": "post-220091", "text": "In SSTO application you could also eliminate the intertank structure and choose a design with common bulkhead between LOX and LH2 tanks to further reduce weight. Also you could eliminate the pointy nose and make the front section standard cylindrical shape to save even more weight and make putting a payload on it easier.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.00204416Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-09-14T10:11:42+0100", "id": "cd2fb99f67f1da6b9356d4b29b74fff0", "post_id": "post-251928", "text": "Excellent pics ! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.4542016Z", "author": "Chupacabra", "date": "2008-05-11T22:33:54+0100", "id": "6b2b6e156f7526b247e16c75c31af47f", "post_id": "post-65216", "text": "Linguofreak said:I do wish myself though that there was something like docking MFD that worked even without one of the ships being equipped with a dock\/transponder\/etc.\n\nTry this;)silent_protagonist said:Attitude MDFshould be just what your looking for. In target relative mode it will display your relative velocity to whatever target you choose ( both vessels or planets\/moons) in three axes, and allow you to null velocity in each.\n\n", "thread_id": 1406 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57665536Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-03-05T22:46:10+0000", "id": "7bff765c65e24781eb7cc68d03e9c364", "post_id": "post-220134", "text": "RGClark said:That is correct. I didn't give enough detail in what way it could become a SSTO.Basically, what I'm saying is that a vehicle of about twice the scale of the X-37B and using kerolox propellant or other dense hydrocarbon could be SSTO.\n\nstill not enough. You need something with about triple the energy density of Hydrazine. That is not just a higher specific impulse, but also a higher density of the fuel as hydrazine, and that is not kerolox. At the same density, you would need 5400 Ns\/kg specific impulse, which is currently not possible. For getting into the range of kerolox, with 4300 Ns\/kg at vacuum (using a high-pressure, high expansion engine), you would need 25% higher density of kerolox over hydrazine. and hydrazine has roughly the density of water.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.00495616Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-10-05T10:33:51+0100", "id": "a52e992a8809a4eb628f064ec66c784c", "post_id": "post-251952", "text": "Well, the way I see it is that everyone is going to want to look here and there and everywhere. We're all gonna wanna see everything, but there is a schedule to follow and the guys in command are calling the shots.I bet there are guys on the team wanting to do the same thing. This is only one rover and can't get to everything!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.526326784Z", "author": "astrosammy", "date": "2010-04-30T21:11:06+0100", "id": "86532faac9f5ae02f18fdc8c098d4f74", "post_id": "post-220056", "text": "Maybe build a small adapter to dock PMA-3 to Zvezdas aft port.Send it up with STS-132, move STS-131 away from PMA-2 to allow STS-132 docking, move the adapter and PMA-3 to Zvezdas and redock STS-131 to it.Now both shuttles are safely docked and STS-132 can install Rassvet.The limitation is that one Russian docking port is unavailable, so one Soyuz would have to be removed (or are there more than three Russian ports on the ISS?).Now you'd have enough time to find a solution to boost STS-131 out of orbit. I'd say use some simple boost module that can be installed into the bay, with the engine pointing out of the bay. But if the payload bay is unable to close it would mean a LOCV. An unmanned entry would be the only safe solution.As Gary said, fuel cells would be another problem to deal with...After the shuttle has landed you'd still have 13 shuttle crw members onboar ISS, I'd say get the STS-131 crew with the STS-132 shuttle (because they propably had a long time in space). To get the STS-132 crew home, maybe fly STS-133 with a reduced crew and use it to return them. Or fly STS-132 with a reduced crew to allow a much faster return of all the astronauts.As this would mean months of development and production, causing major delays (into 2012 or even 2013) this wouldn't be an option in real life. But hey, it's Orbiter, you don't have to deal with problems of money and politics and could just do it.In RL, it would propably mean an uncontrolled decay and reentry of Discovery, maybe into populated areas. But I'd be proud to be killed by debris from such a great spaceship.", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.583626496Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-08-10T21:05:48+0100", "id": "ae6053bba91cc6c49db5d92d6fee3d82", "post_id": "post-220211", "text": "Can you please cease your cargo cult rocket science? I don't know how often we had been explaining you that the Burnside-Clapp hypothesis is wrong and the simulation effect already explained by the known relation between burn time and gravity losses, and not caused by propellant density.A slowly accelerating rocket which uses liquid depleted Uranium as propellant will NOT have less gravity losses as a faster accelerating hydrogen\/oxygen rocket.I think you should get a blog instead of a forum, because you don't want people to answer you anyway. Or write a book: \"How I created another SSTO that will never get build because I screwed up math in Phase I\"Also, your constant arguments by imaginary authority are annoying. If you are not able to support your claims with math, let it be. I don't give a damn about what failed overhyped projects Burnside-Clapp had been involved in. I know his biography and he is not better than millions of other engineers. If engineers would not do stupid errors, we would have a much better world here. But in reality, a diploma from university does not make you a wise person or omnipotent. And as I experience too often: Engineers are having too often absolutely no clue of the theory behind their work. They can use the tools and simulations produced by others, but without somebody competent watching over their work often, they wouldn't even manage to get the definition of aerodynamic mass flux right from their memory.If your argument only works, because a demigod of Rocket science said so, it is no argument, but a waste of space. And did I mention that I am strong believer in the old role playing game rule that demigods should be cut into tiny stripes and disposed properly?And citing a wrong source as reference is not making your arguments right. Contrary. You just play in one league with the LHC doomsday proponents then, who cite a paper from 1920 as their reference, despite this paper having been shown to be wrong already in 1922.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.011786496Z", "author": "Cras", "date": "2012-11-27T06:24:47+0000", "id": "6eae708caa8ddddafb18a537411bf6c7", "post_id": "post-252030", "text": "orb said:The Planetary Society Blog:Pretty Picture: Curiosity on the edge of a geologist's paradisehttps:\/\/planetary.s3.amazonaws.com\/...\/20121126_mars_msl_Sol107_Mastcam100_half.jpgCuriosity Mastcam-100 panorama at Glenelg, sol 107A 14-by-7 array of high-resolution Mastcam images covers a rocky landscape east of Curiosity. The rover had driven to the site (named Point Lake) on sol 102, right before the Thanksgiving holiday.NASA \/ JPL \/ MSSS \/ Damien Bouic\u200b\n\nthese pics never get old.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.147453952Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-04-28T13:14:19+0100", "id": "328bbb56c8616b40179057d59b2a25a1", "post_id": "post-219658", "text": "This telescope is actually a downsized version of the OLT - Overwhelmingly Large Telescope. The mirror was planned to be 100 m across, but it has been determined that technology is out of our reach and it would take too many resources to build it.", "thread_id": 14025 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.585540608Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-13T21:43:27+0100", "id": "2a13111038495af746b4734ddea3f732", "post_id": "post-220235", "text": "In post#136I argued that small, low cost SSTO's are doablenow using lightweight design and high efficiency engines. However,I was surprised to find after doing the calculation you don't even needthe high efficiency engines to get the SSTO. The low efficiency SpaceXMerlin engines would be sufficient for example, IF you have altitude compensation.The impetus for trying the calculation was from a report by SpaceXthat you could get the same performance from a planned heavy liftfirst stage using a lower performance Merlin 2 engine compared to thehigh performance RS-84 engine. The reason was the lower Isp of theMerlin was made up for by its lower weight:SpaceX Propulsion.http:\/\/images.spaceref.com\/news\/2010\/SpaceX_Propulsion.pdfNow note that the biggest single contributor to the vacuum Isp of anengine is not the chamber pressure, but the nozzle length. Forexample, the Merlin Vacuum raises its vacuum Isp to 342 s from the 304s Isp of the Merlin 1C by having a longer nozzle, even though thechamber pressure remains the same, ca. 100 bar.So I'll redo the calculation for the SSTO using the SpaceX Falcon 1first stage but using Merlin engines this time. We'll assume thatusing altitude compensation we are able to get an engine with the samevacuum Isp as the Merlin Vacuum but able to launch from ground.We'll use the soon to be introduced Merlin 1D:SpaceX Plans To Be Top World Rocket Maker.Aug 11, 2011By Guy NorrisSan Diegohttp:\/\/www.aviationweek.com\/aw\/generic\/story.jsp?id=news\/awst\/2011\/08\/08\/AW_08_08_2011_p27-354586.xml&headline=SpaceX%20Plans%20To%20Be%20Top%20World%20Rocket%20Maker&channel=defenseUsing the 160 to 1 thrust\/weight ratio and 155,000 lbs. vacuum thrustgiven, it has a mass of 970 lbs., 440 kg. However, this would make itoverpowered for the Falcon 1 first stage only. So we'll use two copiesof this stage powered by a single Merlin 1D.The original Falcon 1 first stage with the Merlin 1C engine has a dry massof 1,360 kg. I estimated the mass of the Merlin 1C in the prior post tobe 650 kg. So without the engine, the stage weighs 710 kg. So two ofthem will be 1,420 kg without engines, and adding on the Merlin 1Dengine gives this a mass of 1,860 kg.The propellant mass of the two copies of the first stage is 43,080kg. Then to calculate the payload that can be carried I'll again justuse the vacuum Isp and take the required delta-V as 9,150 m\/s. Weconclude a payload of 1,140 kg can be lofted:342*9.8ln(1 + 43,080\/(1,860 + 1,140)) = 9,160.Now we'll estimate how much the payload can be if we use a higherenergy density fuel such as methylacetylene and use lightweightcomposites for the stage. I'll get a rough idea how high the Isp canbe for this case by assuming it is increased proportionally to thesame degree as for the high efficiency engine case. That is, usingmethylacetylene in the high efficiency case resulted in increasing thevacuum Isp to 384 s from the 360 s vacuum Isp for the kerosene.Assuming the vacuum Isp will be increased to the same proportion heregives us a vacuum Isp of 365 s for methylacetylene and the Merlin 1Dengine.For the reduced stage weight using composites, assume again it willbe reduced by 40% aside from the engines. Then the stage weight withthe Merlin 1D engine will be .6*1,420 + 440 kg = 1,290 kg. Then willbe able to loft a payload of 2,320 kg:365*9.8ln(1 + 43,080\/(1,290 + 2,320)) = 9,160 m\/s.Also, quite likely SpaceX could make a half-size version of theMerlin 1D engine. So you could use a single copy of the Falcon 1 firststage. Then the payload would be approximately cut in half, 570 kg forthe kerosene\/standard stage version and 1,160 kg for themethylacetylene\/composite stage version.Note that low chamber pressure, low performance engines can also beused to power the SSTO's is extremely important. Such engines haveless complicated combustion cycles and have to withstand much lessstrenuous operating regimes. This makes them cheaper, simpler, easierto maintain, and easier to make reusable. So the most costly componentof any rocket, the engines, become markedly cheaper for the proposedSSTO.What is key though is to come up with ways to get the needed altitudecompensation without adding on too much to the engine weight. In afollowing post I'll discuss some methods this might be accomplished.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.629292288Z", "author": "Blacklight", "date": "2010-09-03T08:07:20+0100", "id": "4e44a12e50001b04d8afba2d9a7d3426", "post_id": "post-253016", "text": "I actually even own a copy of the old Ghostbusters Role Playing Game, BOTH EDITIONS ! I've built proton packs and ghost traps in the past. Yeah. I'm a fan.", "thread_id": 16341 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.433870592Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-05-12T19:10:38+0100", "id": "86b860775078900e2c2b622e85399351", "post_id": "post-65209", "text": "Instead of invading Burma: Ignore the opera generals. Don't think they are sane.I would just help the people. If the generals get in your way, tell them to get a new job. And don't appease China. No money ever stopped the bullet of a gun. As long as China does not think they have to please you for business, why should you please China?Just help the people - and please help them to help themselves. Don't give them rice bags, complex water supplies or TV sets. Remove the debris and the dead from the streets, maybe help them getting infrastructure back online and leave some brochures, where to get really good stuff for clean water and electricity. And that is not China.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.638156544Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-20T02:52:11+0100", "id": "7f8b1daf5acb1576c668fe4fbfccf61e", "post_id": "post-220928", "text": "I lengthened the fairings on my Ares V and it fits perfectly. The cargo variant lifts it to orbit with fuel to spare. I vote we use Ares V. We can launch the drop tanks seperately and then rendezvous in orbit.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.678298368Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2008-11-04T22:43:15+0000", "id": "9dcb5048ac0be38225d52b1fa1b8c6ac", "post_id": "post-69143", "text": "Urwumpe said:Hmm... Can you check if we start from the pad with zero initial speed?\n\nHeck no! It's instantly from 0 to 23.3 m\/s\u00b2 VSpeed! It should be alot lower than that!", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.586136832Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-14T20:11:33+0100", "id": "a4b15c4245de0836ece09c08a3feb102", "post_id": "post-220243", "text": "Urwumpe said:Don't let me get started on this one. Well, too late.The Dreamliner is actually heavier when empty than the old Boeing 767 it is meant to replace. It just carries a tiny bit more fuel per dry mass, but when looking at the engineering inside an aircraft, this isn't because there is more volume for fuel in the Dreamliner, but because the Dreamliner has much more effective wings as the obsolete 767.\n\nYou'll have to give to give me a reference on that one. What I saw was that use of composites did result in weight savings in the Dreamliner that will result in reduced fuel usage compared to a comparably sized aircraft.Certainly, Rutan has shown weight savings in his aircraft and now with his spacecraft using composites.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.815220224Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-04-26T13:45:55+0100", "id": "4f4b75ad26613a51898d538fda408677", "post_id": "post-219336", "text": "T.Neo said:Seriously though, if the Europe of today were to make contact with uncontacted peoples, rather than the Europe of Colmbus' time, the outcome would be far better. A sophont capable of traversing interstellar space should know better than humans of the 1600s, barring societal and cultural differences.\n\nI agree. Hawking should consider that intelligent life does not only make progress technologically, but also is able to make progress sociologically. I'm glad to live in the middle of Europe these days, rather than still 100 years ago...If intelligent life manages to travel light years of distance to visist us, they might be well ahead and maybe even more careful and concerned than we are. They possibly would be even afraid if they observe us and what is going on down here for a while:pT.Neo said:Mr Hawking may be a good physicist, but he isn't an anthropologist\n\nAnd above all he is a mere mortal like anybody else. He might be a great physicist and publish a few interesting hypotheses and theories. He is interested in certain things above average. But I would not take anything he says immediately serious just because it is Stephen Hawking;)", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.935401216Z", "author": "Pipcard", "date": "2012-08-06T17:10:56+0100", "id": "8b7506c94889d3c0be542a45b7537b5f", "post_id": "post-251710", "text": "jedidia said:That was actually a question in an interview in the google hangout I was following. They said that they'll steer as clear as possible of the decent stage. There's still some 100 kg of rocket fuel in there.\n\nWouldn't that explode once it crashed?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.620749568Z", "author": "Salun", "date": "2010-05-10T08:08:59+0100", "id": "532dc10d71076dcdda92c40a0f403d4c", "post_id": "post-220787", "text": "You know guys if we're gonna do this. Do you think it would be a good idea to say tell say NASA or ESA what were doing? Lets face it a bunch of teenagers and space enthusiasts doing a real time Mars Mission. Highly unlikely but may in small ways they could even help us out with the project. NASA's always interested in new ways to get good PR", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.815417088Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-26T14:07:49+0100", "id": "89be3fc0c818e86ee5a64ab0ba772c54", "post_id": "post-219339", "text": "They possibly would be even afraid if they observe us and what is going on down here for a while:p\n\nIt is certainly possible that hostilities with the aliens could be induced by humans.I would not take anything he says immediately serious just because it is Stephen Hawking;)\n\nI concur.Why do people think that alien species are similar to Earth species. Maybe they don't need more and more and more, like human kind.\n\nThe human nature of \"more and more and more\" is derived from survival mechanisms in our evolutionary history. While I think alien organisms will be different in many ways to terran organisms, they will probably share key concepts of psychology (as they will morphology and biology).Rather, they could take away our Sun and a few asteroids, if they need some resources. :lol:\n\nIndeed, there is a whole solar system for the taking- but it might become a problem when we grow up to use it.:p\"Taking away the sun\" would undoubtedly destroy the ecosphere of Earth, of course. But a more realistic means of deriving massive amounts of power from the sun would be multiple orbiting satellites, which would be more environmentally suitable. Unless one crashed into Earth...Maybe he was talking about human resources. Just imagine being gang-pressed into jobs as civil servants, hairdressers and accountants for the conquering aliens ...\n\nI'd prefer my civil servants to not harbour interstellar hate against me. :shifty:It's also quite possible that environmental or biological factors would make inhabiting Earth, or exporting humans to their homeworld (for example) implausible or not worth the effort. Oxygen may be highly dangerous to them...", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.062452224Z", "author": "boogabooga", "date": "2011-11-26T15:32:13+0000", "id": "b09ebb01f3b68014de4b3f9b1a00b08c", "post_id": "post-251266", "text": "What is PTC Roll?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.653732608Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-12T21:22:25+0100", "id": "2f0c87b810f89f5ac2cabcea76124ee9", "post_id": "post-221062", "text": "fireballs619 said:Perhaps a probe can detach from the stack once we're in mars orbit, then rejoin before returning? I don't know if that is realistic, because I'm not that caught up on the mission plan. But if we're gonna be in that part of the neighborhood, why not :thumbup:\n\nEven the Apollo program brought along a small satellite (Apollo 16 subsat for measuring the Lunar magnetosphere, launched from the SM...I think there's a scenario for it in AMSO)I am totally against the idea of leaving the interplanetary segment in an eccentric orbit. Quite frankly it is ludicrous. Sure it saves fuel, but it leaves the stack much too far away for the majority of its orbit, and even at periareion it will be going far too fast for a safe rendezvous.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.88109312Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-28T20:40:22+0100", "id": "45bed14b0154ae720986b370f845c55d", "post_id": "post-219462", "text": "Why is that type of design popular?\n\na) simple to buildb) structural advantages. You could, in theory, put an engine sideways on a truss (so the length of the truss is aligned with the X or Y axis of the ship), but that would lead to balancing problem as well as integrity problems (it would be like balancing a truss with a few hundred kilos bolted to each end on a relatively small area).c) weight. Of course you could build a fancy hull around the truss, but you'd still have to have a truss inside to actually hold the weight at acceleration. If we'd have weight to waste, certainly some designers would come up with a nice looking shell around the truss, but as long as every unnecessary gramm of spaceship is worth tons of money that won't happen.For a sci-fi scenario, I guess it would be acceptable to have a fancy streamlined ship as kind of a luxury yacht, since it's purpose is majorly showing off. Everything that has to do some actual work will use the most efficient design.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.479180288Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-10-01T11:22:24+0100", "id": "a538cac2d5f14db191ab1af22ab45c41", "post_id": "post-252661", "text": "I'll have a look at that, starting to get confused now! Looks like time for another diagram.Do you think those two valves work in synch, keeping the pressure across the hx constant?thanks, N.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.767980544Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-04-26T22:02:11+0100", "id": "c51a068988d7244bd77cbb713b1edba4", "post_id": "post-219312", "text": "Those little \"flippy\" cameras usually boast with HD resolution. However, their chips are way too small, there is a lot of noise and the quality in general is not what you could get from a traditional camcorder without HD.", "thread_id": 14013 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.656179712Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-16T18:40:04+0100", "id": "629aa24b1042d1e8fea5b37c6ca2fc09", "post_id": "post-221090", "text": "I did a quick scan through the wiki page and couldn't find the info, so I'll ask here. What element\/material are we mining for fuel? We should locate an area with high amounts of it for a landing site. If I know what we are mining, I'll start pick candidates for landing sites.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.543545088Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-09-02T11:41:03+0100", "id": "9f0de353dd7657493a9fd7eaea898f68", "post_id": "post-252862", "text": "Only really slowed down at Level 8Code:GPU Name=ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series \nFinita.\n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 386434\nWriting bmp\nFinita.\nGPU Name=ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series \n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 347321\nWriting bmp\nFinita.\nGPU Name=ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series \n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 409635\nWriting bmp\nFinita.\nGPU Name=ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series \n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 608915\nWriting bmp\nFinita.\nGPU Name=ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series \n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 2475450\nWriting bmp", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.818925824Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-26T23:25:31+0100", "id": "ced238ff44abc5979e74bc519451bd8b", "post_id": "post-219377", "text": "ar81 said:We are just fish in the gas waters filled with oxygen. Why would an alien race want to contact us?\n\nBecause we are biggest meanest fish in these waters. and who ever decides to dive here, should better care to know where the shark has its teeth.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.503143936Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-04-30T10:07:24+0100", "id": "c2313ef9f4b46af41a89cd9fc0c6f96a", "post_id": "post-220013", "text": "i see it ,and i want to laugh,but i can't ,i'm a chinese.", "thread_id": 14073 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.546705664Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2010-09-06T22:30:33+0100", "id": "6394ba3d5a7083b4c43cf4bac721e70f", "post_id": "post-252885", "text": "Mine generates everything but the level 8 textures correctly, the level 8 turns up black. NVidia, 512 MB Video RAM, 3 GB main ram, Ubuntu 9.04\/Wine.Also, while the textures ended up on disk in the correct orientation, the program displayed them vertically mirrored (with up and down flipped but left and right correct) at the end of the generation process. (In other words, what the program displayed was *not* identical to the example texture, but what GIMP displayed when I opened up the resulting file *was*).", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902638336Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-29T14:44:00+0100", "id": "2ad651bd9b562536ae42e6a11ffe4e12", "post_id": "post-219475", "text": "Tension is always better handled then compression, so theISV VentureStarin Avatar is designed topullit's cargo.\n\nPullers are great if your engines allow it. I can totally see pullers with Ion engines, hall effect thrusters etc.However, in the case of the venture star (or even a ship with a much weaker, but plausible fusion drive) I would expect the crew to get thouroughly roasted when they are behind the engines (the venture star has some heat shielding on the truss, but as far as I can see none for the crew section.)another problem with pullers is that you have to have two engines at least, which makes it an impractical arrangement if the engines used are too heavy. It goes very nice for all kinds of electrical drives like before mentioned Ion thrusters or for example VASIMRs, where the main load consists of a nuke reactor (of which you need only one, which you can drag behind), but if you need two fusion drives at 400 tons a piece (because here the reactor IS the drive, so you have to have two of them), you won't be able to make up for it (of course you get more thrust for that, but thrust is a rather subordinated concern. What we want is delta-v).", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65899904Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-03T00:25:55+0100", "id": "c8d6635c1309d554e838de50c3bb305a", "post_id": "post-220589", "text": "dgatsoulis said:[Mars is the next step, but we need a time-table.Instead of building just a couple of bases on Mars and a Martian space station, how's this for an idea? Terraform Mars....Begin the construction of a Martian monitoring system with satellites and a space station to monitor the process...with \"local\" material...Phobos and Deimos could be exploited for minerals...\"]\n\nThis should be something to start as soon as we get to Mars and get a steady base.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.785826048Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-05T16:18:51+0100", "id": "deba9c943274968aa53b0aaf93d17747", "post_id": "post-251474", "text": "Luckily I only have to stay up till like 1am to see the whole thing. Got your peanuts?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.373369856Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-03T07:07:05+0100", "id": "4c640a18b735bbd94977115533f0e850", "post_id": "post-219781", "text": "sigh...That is the collision module that I have.:(so Much for interactable terrain.", "thread_id": 14041 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.134846976Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-27T02:48:03+0100", "id": "ff7c5e49ce8f459353df9d427d875eb8", "post_id": "post-219630", "text": "I am passing through a stage of low inspiration.I sit in front of the computer and even if I know that unfinished ideas are there, I does not feel the need of finishing it.It is almost as if I had lost interest, but I know it is most a matter of inspiration, not just lack of ideas.I ned tips to get inspired to do some coding.", "thread_id": 14023 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.931492864Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-06-17T22:20:20+0100", "id": "db948cdbc2e79172a62ba368622218c8", "post_id": "post-251157", "text": "There are some nice photos of MSL processing atKSC Media Gallery - Mars Science Laboratory category, a couple of latest:{colsp=3}Click on images to view larger versions\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.516936448Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-04-30T21:37:47+0100", "id": "7aa595cf25937c818c508e132f6a5e38", "post_id": "post-220035", "text": "True. it was done to make it all look more dramatic shame really because I wondered how well the robin reliant would glide.", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.163392512Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-28T20:12:06+0100", "id": "2e59cc59313e9b3a2ce0adaccb71fc28", "post_id": "post-219670", "text": "Congrats on another successful Progress launch! :thumbup:The initial orbit wasi = 51.65\u00b0PeA = 193.42ApA = 249.67T = 88.63 minNo HQ pics or videos has been released yet.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.417971968Z", "author": "Aldrasio", "date": "2010-10-24T08:35:23+0100", "id": "bd3d82e5c880412b20fceb5eb3a65036", "post_id": "post-252486", "text": "This is so fun to fly! If there were any attitude autopilots, this would be perfect.", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55465984Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-01T18:44:35+0000", "id": "6922e19b2891255de920994c3cc51cb1", "post_id": "post-220298", "text": "Also, for making the formatting a bit easier...you can write:Code:[ table ]Heading 1|Heading 2|Heading 3\nValue 1.1|Value 1.2|Value 1.3\nValue 2.2|Value 2.2| Value 2.3[\/table](Remove the blanks in the initial tag, needed it for circumnavigating a forum bug)For getting this:Heading 1|Heading 2|Heading 3Value 1.1|Value 1.2|Value 1.3Value 2.2|Value 2.2| Value 2.3---------- Post added at 07:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:31 PM ----------And just to say the obvious: More important than that you write a text, is that somebody can read the text.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.625914112Z", "author": "Richy", "date": "2010-05-12T10:26:55+0100", "id": "baee28d983828370a7e255c07dbb2f29", "post_id": "post-220835", "text": "I like to see a trans-martian stack ejection with boosters out of earth SOI. But that's just an opinion of a spectator.;)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.639322112Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-03T07:22:37+0100", "id": "aff0758a2d91ef4b55b5616824d70346", "post_id": "post-253044", "text": "Shadow Addict said:Can you imagine how much money they'd have to spend on sunscreen for that thing if it went during the day? I hear SPF 2000000000000 is pretty expensive.\n\nI have a solution for that one, in case it takes too long to get there and it turns out to be day again - it involves bean bags, a squirrel, six kilograms of rice, and a large wooden spoon. The rest will very soon be history.", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.839000576Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-27T03:21:15+0100", "id": "6fbec1f3ca108200a739d19d1539b485", "post_id": "post-219457", "text": "My two cents...In order for the XR-5 to haul Shuttle-A cargo modules?There is a download at the 'hanger that has a modified Shuttle-A with a dramatically different fuel management system. IIRC, as part of the same mod, the -A has a 'tanker' version.With FuelMFD you can transfer fuel back and forth between vessels if that's what you are looking for.This mod here I mainly used to transfer 'cargo' from the ground to LEO, then use the -A to shuttle the cargo from LEO to the lunar surface.There is also a Shuttle-A that's been converted over to be UCGO compatable, if your not interested in hauling around those cargo pods...", "thread_id": 14019 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.632324352Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-19T00:20:05+0100", "id": "a84fee88097a0c5d7346d2acd2fc4cbc", "post_id": "post-220895", "text": "Bj said:Um so we are going to use askycrane helicopterfor our LMO to surface missions? (OH version)\n\nNo, more like [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=noy8o0lN1fE&feature=related\"]YouTube- Mars Science Laboratory (Full)[\/nomedia]. Referring to the platform that holds the rover by cables, drops the rover and then flies away. Similar concept but with the our CM instead of a rover. Also similar to what was on the lander Urwumpe linked earlier. (really don't feel like flipping through so many pages to find it.;))", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.679911168Z", "author": "Donamy", "date": "2009-06-06T21:53:07+0100", "id": "5a5918b4c584af3d396499fa21200157", "post_id": "post-69159", "text": "My idea is to have each SSME fire in turn, with a short burst of red thrust, then disappear, while the shock diamonds appear and each engine cycles to launch position. Does anyone know, at what altitude the the shock diamonds disappear and turn to a white glow of the engine bells? Then I think they gradually turn orange and then to a reddish hue before shut-down.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.09068544Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2013-12-17T13:12:13+0000", "id": "d09afc70f97b60aa86f8a405d15723d7", "post_id": "post-219592", "text": "By the power of Grey Skull!! How did I not see this sooner?? amazing!", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.080328704Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2010-07-16T02:47:34+0100", "id": "be2a4c468debf16dd8edab6997fe4928", "post_id": "post-219523", "text": "Andy44 said:You know Nikon's lovin' that. Time for Hasselblad to get back in the game! Hasselblad makes a ridiculously expensive digital back for their already-steep medium format cameras.\n\nWhat happened to Hasselblad anyways? Their cameras are very expensive, I know.According to their website, the last time they mentioned their cameras being used by NASA was in 2001.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.504736Z", "author": "Mindblast", "date": "2010-09-01T17:42:17+0100", "id": "cb8791dcc02728b85df60e504fbc1b95", "post_id": "post-252719", "text": "Works fine here.. (VS2008 Pro) The breakpoint appears inactive until the dll is loaded by the Orbiter.exe though. But this is nothing new.", "thread_id": 16323 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.458188032Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-29T14:38:03+0100", "id": "607680e4011a63a48531f79afedbd57a", "post_id": "post-219904", "text": "Thisis a list of earthquakes in the last 30 days.They seem too many.How much do we know about anticipating earthquakes?If I am certain, at most you could anticipate them a few minutes ahead if you fill the area with sensors and a statistical software designed to analyze trends. Right?", "thread_id": 14060 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.561992448Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2012-06-04T18:31:27+0100", "id": "3cc91cb2f20cb0a4dd1a2cc847818aae", "post_id": "post-220394", "text": "Thanks for the link. I had heard of the Slingatron but I had thought the projectiles were accelerated by EM fields. So I thought it was in a similar class to the railgun or coilgun. But apparently they are accelerated mechanically, like someone twirling around a bob at the end of a string, which is a different type of launch process.\n\nwell.N.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.607171328Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-09-03T13:38:15+0100", "id": "c0536f6b75684105fe310a138a078069", "post_id": "post-252946", "text": "TransX and IMFD don't deal well with low accelerations.\n\nBut the navigator will do quite fine.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.554919424Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-01T22:07:06+0000", "id": "58f56b2364a6abb8bb4de40512e9f591", "post_id": "post-220301", "text": "Engines would probably have to be placed on wings like on Skylon to maintain stability with empty tanks and to avoid tendency to fly tail first when empty. Or maybe some sort of clever lifting dody besign had to be used.\n\nHow is it possible to mathematically figure out if a vehicle could be more or less stable throughout reentry and landing? I think this is what is needed here...Yeah, shuttle. Howewer it was more like rebuildable than reusable. Imagine how much your plane ticket would cost if a jetliner would have to be taken apart, inspected to last part and put back together by thousands of technicians after every flight. There isn't really much difference when that army of workers are used to rebuild the reusable launch vehicle or build a new expendable rocket for every flight.Ultimate goal for spaceplane would be airplane like operations with little maintanance between flights and major sheduled maintanance happening only at predetermined intervals like it is with commercial aircraft.\n\nSince when was the STS orbiter rebuilt through every reuse cycle? \"Taken apart, inspected to the last part and put back together\"?I'm pretty sure that while STS required a very extensive refurbishment, and that certain components (i.e. engines) needed to be stripped down and rebuilt after each flight, this sort of thing never happened on the total system level.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.646838784Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-08T18:03:53+0100", "id": "69141906f80ef06487fd8996e546ed4a", "post_id": "post-221004", "text": "Everybody should have the chance to rise to his level of incompetence.;)[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Peter_Principle\"]Peter Principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]---------- Post added at 07:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:03 PM ----------Voyager said:Alright, I will be both pilot and ground crew. Best job I could manage is transferring vessels to orbit, and deorbiting them. Also placing where the cargos go. Also what will be after this OFMJ (Orbiter Forum Mission to Jupiter), if so I call command over it.\n\nDon't call us, we'll call you. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.756722688Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-05-03T17:08:32+0100", "id": "70b084d536cabc4bcab08e4993e50f1d", "post_id": "post-251360", "text": "SPACE.com:Mars-Bound Rover in Home Stretch of Red Planet Voyage", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.616334848Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-08T13:42:46+0100", "id": "940a85a13918e7f5d91202643036af66", "post_id": "post-220751", "text": "Urwumpe said:Who says that this job is democratically elected? Who shouts too loud gets the job, and all that comes with it: Gastritis, loss of hair, meetings, ties and even more meetings. And you'll realize how much time passed, when your young daughter tells you the next time you see her that she'll get married.Is always like that in spaceflight. If you are no convinced alpha (fe)male, don't even think about the job. You are only doing this as long as you swim on top of the wave, and for doing this job, you need to be convinced that you are the only person who can do it.\n\n:blink:It's just a bunch of guys on the Internet playing in a simulator!", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.08326784Z", "author": "astrosammy", "date": "2010-08-13T01:28:08+0100", "id": "0f887b8c491879c8378cd94cb0ffbaea", "post_id": "post-219541", "text": "IIRC I heared that some people even ask to take out that dirty inner windows and that it's possible. Should be OK for the plane, but today everyone can fly, so there are propably many ignorant people that think that the plane will crash.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.932884736Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-07-25T21:27:14+0100", "id": "e806a938fe91938cfe43dcff1169ff3d", "post_id": "post-251170", "text": "A few photos that appeared today inKSC Media Galleryfrom Curiosity deployment testing (performed on July 18):{colsp=3}Click on images to view larger versions\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b\u200b|\u200b|\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.621766144Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-05-10T20:28:30+0100", "id": "cd9709f24bff2aa13931100c354ba2a0", "post_id": "post-220797", "text": "I'd like to get in on this, but only if I get to play Gary Sinise.Who's going to build the giant face mesh?Wait....you mean this isn't about re-creating Mission to Mars? Dang....Seriously, though, wish I had time to join in. Had to drop off the OFSS team due to real life pretty much taking over my life....Sounds like a cool project. Maybe things will calm down for me in the near future so I can participate.:(", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.612886272Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-06T23:01:42+0100", "id": "e551e387b702ed62532e0eaf073e11bd", "post_id": "post-220721", "text": "Urwumpe said:Did somebody say \"moon\"? Where are we here, a pony club?We choose to go to Mars, not because it is easy, but because it is hard.\n\nAgreed...In spades!", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.975090688Z", "author": "flying coffin", "date": "2012-08-07T09:18:13+0100", "id": "9c5681ebae4ebb94e99d6625e7dd1769", "post_id": "post-251743", "text": "Best recap of the landing I've seen", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.644419072Z", "author": "Ashaman42", "date": "2010-06-01T21:23:52+0100", "id": "da77efc208f3bde91801a3dc2b31fae2", "post_id": "post-220983", "text": "Pablo49 said:I've been quite busy this last week or so, hence my disappearance from the internet lately. SO I just want to check in so you know I'm still actively involved with this.I did basically finish the greenhouses a few days. After a few tweaks and more final textures I'll up a shot of them. Basically the same area as Urwumpe's original design. Though they are circular.\n\nAre you coding the greenhouses to produce O2\/food or are they a static mesh?Because if you wanted me to code them to produce a Ucgo cargo like my GDI Miner\/Ore mill I would be happy to help.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558039552Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2012-01-05T21:20:13+0000", "id": "107b9b4e86b7fb44415b5fc43326166f", "post_id": "post-220341", "text": "T.Neo said:A launch a year for 8 years? If Pegasus was first launched only in 1990, what were the other vehicles being launched?Do vehicles not developed or manufactured\/integrated in-house count?\n\nNot sure what launches this had been, but I think it had been mostly sounding rockets in 1990 and two Pegasus launches.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.001047552Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-08T09:24:28+0100", "id": "3ede076b17370b9a002ec1b038514db0", "post_id": "post-251917", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Hello, beautiful!Image Credit: NASA \/ JPL \/ MSSS \/ LOLspeak by Emily Lakdawalla:rofl:\u200b", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.663206144Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-04T07:40:00+0100", "id": "37fde585e9b66e770c77d164adb4bfd2", "post_id": "post-220629", "text": "Izack said:I would like to see some station-building in this project, but launching and building a stack just takes too much focus away from the flight itself.\n\nWe have to launch all those parts to Cook anyway (or would be just assume that was already done?) so why not make them into a functional stack like we have discussed before? And with Artlav's nerva .dll, it looks like this wouldn't be too hard to do.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.571618048Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-20T20:17:58+0000", "id": "00aed681b2acbb30165fcada41c412bb", "post_id": "post-220475", "text": "Hlynkacg said:The F9 and F9 1.1 share that same operational components and the same launch infrastructure, so don't see where your complaint is coming from. Are you seriously suggestion that whole concept of incremental development in aerospace is unsound? Because that is what it sounds like.\n\nNo, I just learned the concept as: Before you improve something, you should know it - and know what you want to achieve by improving it.While components of the Falcon 9 1.1 are the same, many major assemblies had been changed, also the flight dynamics. Ground operations have also changed, if you look at the changes to the launch complex to accommody the Falcon Heavy as well.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.25400832Z", "author": "gattispilot", "date": "2010-08-31T18:21:22+0100", "id": "c6e09bc67e3b11d30324e27780906d3c", "post_id": "post-252391", "text": "Qdog002 said:ummu is in the scenarios. how do you activate it\n\nYou have to d\/l from here:[ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3890\"]Universal MMU 2.0[\/ame]", "thread_id": 16291 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.737575168Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-26T11:55:25+0100", "id": "073656aa1ed119433d464363b11555d4", "post_id": "post-219295", "text": "Interesting, i wonder what will come out of it.Btw, first thing Google gives on \"Mexican space program\" is:", "thread_id": 14012 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581147392Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-07-06T21:19:45+0100", "id": "d74b6305ec3cb23ce277736fb659ea17", "post_id": "post-220187", "text": "RGClark said:Yes, the method by which the gravity losses are reduced for the dense propellants is that the time of the vertical thrust portion of the flight where the gravity drag is operating is reduced.\n\nAgain, this isn't an exclusive realm of dense propellants. It is just a matter of thrust to weight. A hydrogen\/oxygen rocket could fly the same trajectory - with less propellant mass, but more propellant volume... but the mass does usually hurt more.also, more acceleration during the vertical part of flight means automatically more losses by drag and more aerodynamic loads on your rocket, increasing the structural mass and the SPL for the payload.PS: The discussion was based on the Trident 2 performance, which had been extremely low in total velocity change compared to other ICBMs - but really not surprising if you remember that the Trident 2 is a pop-up weapon with around or less than two minutes boost phase.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.43505152Z", "author": "Hartmann", "date": "2010-09-01T02:32:15+0100", "id": "fe9f46c5a1daed62a89061c740a3c094", "post_id": "post-252520", "text": "martins said:Dear Orbinauts!Support for celestial background images. The main installation contains two backgrounds at visible and IR ranges. More are available in a separate zip file (csphere100830.zip)Happy Tuesday!Martin\n\nIt means that the sky now can show the milk way and nebulas ??", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.903154432Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-30T02:40:45+0100", "id": "1f7fdb7ed2d718c99dd1243478cddddc", "post_id": "post-219482", "text": "tori said:You'd end up with a bending load on the base plate of the pyramid - as the four engines in the corners push forward, the main mass pushes on the plate, inducing torques that try to fold the pyramid.It'd be better to flip it upside down - one engine on its point and the pyramid would accelerate base-first. That way all the load would be divided between a compressive load on the side edges (going from corners to the point) and a tensile load on lines going from the corners to the center of the baseplate. Trusses for compression, cables for tension, add some tankage and what not, and off you go.:)\n\nThat's what I was originally thinking, but then you get back into the balancing dilemma. Maybe a diamond shape? Although, I guess the single long truss is still the way to go; diamond's just unnecessarily complex.As for pullers, I have to agree with the previous posts (Low thrust, electric Hall\/ VASIMR\/ Ion drives). I can see a 'tug' configuration on automated\/radio controlled cargo haulers (say, an independent engine module tugging a 'dumb' cargo pod) where there is no crew to be protected, and thus shielding can be minimal.I haven't seen Avatar and therefore cannot comment on the Venture Star. As far as I know it was an old Lockheed Martin concept spaceplane.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.62290432Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-11T00:48:53+0100", "id": "b1e6bbf6fbf1741099b98a6992147a7c", "post_id": "post-220806", "text": "Salun said:Stage one\n\nGood idea to setup COMSATs around Mars, we can do these with the Ares I think. Would the Carina 2 Satellite work or you thinking something else?Here is the thing though with launching separate vessels. If we launch one stack at a time (or otherwise not within the same month or so), we would have to wait for the next launch window to open, which could be a while.About the Moon base; I think that would be rather difficult since the Moon has such a slow spin, it would mean 1 month of continuous LOS, then 1 month of nothing. Unless you where on the pole then it might work out properly depending on the tilt and whatever.Salun said:Stage Three\n\nSalun said:1. Lunar Orbit Construction dock.(LOCD)\n\nSo we are going to push each individual module past LEO into a Lunar orbit and construct around the Moon? What about all the launchers?if you look at Ares V - 160,000kg to LEO, or 71,100-60,000kg to TLI. Much less weigh carried per launch meaning more Ares launches, meaning more (virtual) money (each engine, vehicle construction, ext).... a lot of dead weight and fuel to break into LEO. Better, I think to launch to LEO, then with a reusable engine push all the joined modules to Mars.Salun said:2. Moon Base Control(MBC)\n\nSo is anything wrong with Huston? Why do we need to try to make a mission control on the Moon? This would become one really ambitious project:)Salun said:3. Mars Ship.\n\nI agree there, the Arrow, DGIV\/XR2 is a little more past our technological capabilities now. We even have yet to make a true SSTO rocket. Thing is, unless we get some good modeler volunteering right now, and willing to make 2 ships at XR2 quality (both code and mesh) it would be rather difficult to simulate this in Orbiter. *(hint hint)* The best lander would look like Uwumpe's drawing a few posts back.lennartsmit said:Sound's like a very good idea. If this plan is accepted I'd like to provide some meshes for the satellites..\n\nHey can you make some good satellite meshes? That would be nice.Salun said:perhaps leave a memorial plaque at the sites.\n\nGood idea, a plaque would be easy, just really an indented box. Its just a matter of what to what to write for them.Urwumpe said:Let me put it in short words : What do we have to loose?NASA wouldn't bite us, in the worst case NASA does nothing at all, in the best case, NASA supports us the best they can (what ever this might eventually mean).\n\nBest they can? :hmm: I'm not sure we would get anything out of it, actually I am not sure of the goal at all. Really its not that hard to get a unrealistic vessel anywhere, (ie Arrow, DGIV\/XR2 with alternate settings) so I think the greater challenge would to actually make our own vessels that would actually have more realistic Mars landings.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.729419264Z", "author": "Dive", "date": "2011-11-28T12:05:30+0000", "id": "adfcc839f47e8b7124df2dafb6a8f61b", "post_id": "post-251314", "text": "Godspeed Curiosity :thumbup:How far is MSL currently from Earth ? Is there any information avaible about where it is in solar system ?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.478291968Z", "author": "Spike Spiegel", "date": "2010-04-30T04:02:10+0100", "id": "bb2fadff3a3cf7687cba55a7b85285a2", "post_id": "post-219942", "text": "Wow, sorry, I totally did not see the link you posted to that power supply. Based on the specs I see, the Antec EA650 also appears to be a standard size power supply. It's a bit more pricey but should have more than enough for your purposes. It also got a great rating on Newegg, so that's a good sign. You could even grab a ruler and measure your current power supply (maybe turn the power OFF first) and compare it to the specs for the Antec, just to be sure it will fit.", "thread_id": 14064 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.651598336Z", "author": "Alexw95", "date": "2010-06-12T00:01:28+0100", "id": "8741d25d7fc3146bd20f38ff2ad24d95", "post_id": "post-221044", "text": "Urwumpe said:I am against this, what ever we do, it should NEVER exceed the complexity of a XR-Vessel or AMSO, because otherwise, we woulda) need years to develop thingsb) need years to teach all pilots to fly it.Ideally, we should maybe have a common base class for all our DLL based vessels, that like for the XRs implements a lot of common stuff and allows to just adapt it to something else.Personally, I would even prefer if the subsystem simulations focus on the ground operations and survival of the crew, and does not go to extremes with navigation or electrical power stuff.\n\nyes for sure dgiv panel = to complex lets not go higher than amso or the stock dg panel if we are going to make somthing", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.047213824Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-11-18T09:54:49+0000", "id": "4c23b2535156176a8bb92f92a155279f", "post_id": "post-251216", "text": "The great advantage with the RTGs is that you don't have to worry with hardware power-on once in orbit, solar panels deployement & alignement, like it was the case with Phobos-Grunt.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.580096256Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2011-07-05T15:23:22+0100", "id": "5ce234a6ab6e3b2497ef1d70f55a14b1", "post_id": "post-220175", "text": "We have to make similar calculation for Kerosene\/LOX launch vehicle", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.43289728Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2008-05-11T20:07:36+0100", "id": "60b0fe9b190a92f414e6622022354dfe", "post_id": "post-65197", "text": "We can't invade Burma, the country is under China's sphere of influence. And it's not China's military that pretty much puts a kibosh on any daring plans, but the fact that we Westerners have vital commercial interests that the economical elite will not want jeopardized, period.And that's all there is to it. I'd love to Wild Geese the Burmese junta, but it's not going to happen. We will sooner sacrifice our firstborn than endanger some shareholders' dividends.For \"we\" I intend the Western nations, of course, not \"we\" as individuals but \"we\" as individuals have no power to do anything.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.065898752Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-11-27T00:32:56+0000", "id": "516b0d5e97377e1c2493c8c1bae6c9d3", "post_id": "post-251291", "text": "sergiothepilot said:Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have a question on escape velocity. I watched the launch and it was spectacular. The commentator mentioned that the vehicle had reached escape velocity of 10.6 km\/s. Thats equivalent to 23,712 m\/h. I thought that the escape velocity of earth is 11.2 km\/s or 25,054 m\/h. Which one is right? and why de difference. Thanks to anyone that can answer my question!\n\nAre you sure the commentator said that it had reached 10.6 km\/s?IIRC, escape velocityis11.2 km\/s. Either you heard him wrong, or he accidentally said the wrong thing.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.624738048Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-12T01:58:04+0100", "id": "8958492c4f3e66a2c91d5e1256174a2b", "post_id": "post-220823", "text": "Continued discussion from community section:Pablo49 said:Ive seen it like that, and seen it as a stack that drops its MSS modules and picks up cargo and returns its engines back to earth. Either way the stack would be far too large if it tried to move the MSS in one go. (as discussed in the Stack thread and in the main thread)\n\nOK some quick calculations,I am getting from thisDelta-v_budgetThat it will take approximately 6.12 km\/s DV from LEO to LMO.The Nerva2 hasEMPTY_MASS=42000FUEL_MASS=58466MAIN_THRUST=1500000ISP = 16500Using Tsiolkovsky equation;[math]\\bigtriangleup v = (16500 * 9.81)ln\\frac{58466+42000+\\theta}{42000+\\theta}[\/math]This is assuming no droptanks.Now, I plug this intographing calculator onlineand get this;which I think is entirely wrong because as the mass of the cargo increases, the DV should be less.So with Graph calc, its looking more like it should but its numbers are way off.I entered it exactly as;(16500 * 9.81)ln((58466+42000+x)\/(42000+x))Why is this graph so far off? Math wrong or numbers off?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.559362048Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-11T12:10:25+0000", "id": "36c68384c91c0af53e907cafb9486f2b", "post_id": "post-220358", "text": "if you assume that with altitude compensation you can get the vacuum Isp of the Merlin Vacuum and vacuum thrust of the Merlin 1D.\n\nBefore assuming this, consider thephysical limitations of the hardware you are working with.You simply cannot fit more than a single Merlin Vacuum nozzle under Falcon-diameter tankage. See here, the base of the F9 first stage, with Merlin nozzles visible:And then here. The MVac nozzle is covered by the white sheet, and is visible between stages one and two (behind the red ladder thing):The nozzle extension is so large, that it fills the entire interstage.Unless you mean taking some sort of Merlin with an MVac expansion ratio and TAN-ing it to get the proper T\/W, in which case;1. You'll have to reinforce the engine\/nozzle extension and its thrust structure to withstand the higher thrust.2. You'll have to find some way to pump the TAN propellants.3. If the radiatively cooled nozzle extension even works in the atmosphere, you may need to prevent the niobium alloy from oxidising\/burning in air.Perhaps a more realistic option would be to pull four or five engines off of F9, increase the area ratio of the remaining engines, and design them for TAN. Such a vehicle might have comparable liftoff thrust to F9, along with higher ISP in a vacuum, and fewer engines (lower cost, less risk of catastrophic engine failure).", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.206876672Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-30T20:57:26+0100", "id": "a65c7c04c4e3ec201004c43fdaad6f93", "post_id": "post-252361", "text": "Without knowing precisely what the problem is, I'm going to take a punt at the possibility that you're using the old multistage with Orbiter 2010.If that's the case, replace it withthis.I will note also that I found that in short order with a simple forum search. To wit;http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/search.php?searchid=890506", "thread_id": 16287 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652150272Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-12T12:58:15+0100", "id": "d3ece2c23a44be48b705a52353498219", "post_id": "post-221050", "text": "Perhaps, some sort of nuclear engine after heading past Earth for about 250,000 kilometers, that would activate. It could be the prime engine idea;", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.527144192Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-04-30T23:36:01+0100", "id": "11771ad49f3329189deaa47d8d9fa08a", "post_id": "post-220060", "text": "I know that would get me but I'm so used to typing \"delta-v\" - thanks Urwumpe.", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.252480512Z", "author": "gattispilot", "date": "2010-08-31T16:06:23+0100", "id": "6326aac71835b9a3f8cf4496662ed2be", "post_id": "post-252385", "text": "Here is where she is:She is still a beta. give her a try. Works in 2010.She is Ummu and has crew and buggy", "thread_id": 16291 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.082748672Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-08-12T09:59:36+0100", "id": "23e3eb1efe35f4b892edd7bd0386bda7", "post_id": "post-219538", "text": "I got some interesting shots from my flight home yesterday - the horizon was very hazy, and the gradient from white to light blue to dark blue gives the illusion that we are a lot higher than 36,000 feet:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.628558592Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-14T05:20:30+0100", "id": "9e1f0cbfa2415f473f672c901a7b16b7", "post_id": "post-220860", "text": "No, MSS is staying in Mars orbit. IDMS would detach and return to earth to push more loads, if need be. That would need fuel for the return trip. Fuel production wouldn't start right away, we would need to first get to the surface, set up camp, then begin production. We may need the IDMS to deliver more to Mars by the time that is ready.Yes and no, I've always taken it as it's the Stack when traveling to Mars, and becomes MSS once in orbit. Really it doesn't matter, it's just wording.:p", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.611001856Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-10T11:28:06+0100", "id": "0f61895c70d486f00318df0eb9f92b76", "post_id": "post-252974", "text": "jedidia said:170 kn at 1,000,000 meters per second is still quite a lot, but I kinda like the figures. It seems like the radiators are a bit on the small side for 85 GW, but I have no sense of scale of the model, so I might be quite wrong.\n\nTotal radiator area is 260000 m2 radiating away 65 GW of waste heat. I assume total power conwersion efficiency at 55 % - that is from nuclear heat to thrust power.Later I will try to figure out masses of warious components.Ever thought about cargo lander able to deliver cargo to and from Mars? There is serious lack of cargo landers able to land on Mars on the OrbitHangar. It will make your vessel even more versatile.\n\nWell, the lander is supposed to be used only on airless bodies, however if you use engines to kill most of the orbital speed and then descend slowly into the thin Martian atmosphere then it should work.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.07842816Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-07-07T06:01:57+0100", "id": "287ce127f9dbb9213e3f3105fe20485e", "post_id": "post-219513", "text": "Great contributions TSP and Artlav.The Powerhouse Museum in Sydney recently had a trainspotting photo competition and I visited their exhibition recently. The winner:The pit, Zhalai Nouer coalmine by David Hill, Midhurst, EnglandOther images can be seen here:http:\/\/www.powerhousemuseum.com\/trainspotting\/I'm also hoping to get to the World Press Photo 10 exhibition. It's in Sydney this month but is currently touring the world so you might like to look up when its in your part of the globe:http:\/\/www.worldpressphoto.org\/inde...&selectedItem=35&Itemid=154&bandwidth=high#35", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.09379584Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2015-01-09T02:35:30+0000", "id": "37af13dace711a06a0dcaff618115c22", "post_id": "post-219618", "text": "Eccentrus said:That last one andy, was that on a kodak tmax? I have recently acquired 2 rolls of its 135 cut, am waiting for a vacation or event to try and burn that roll inside my canonet's q17-3 chamber.\n\nI can't remember which film I shot that with; it's might be Kodak 400TriX or Fujifilm 100 speed film. I'd have to look at the negative in my binder somewhere. I also use some other lesser well-known brands, but I haven't used Tmax yet.It's printed on Arista EDU glossy paper. Shooting the photo is half the battle; the other half is making a good print.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.761458432Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-19T17:17:04+0100", "id": "13cd813b3ab3beb88d85df533fded868", "post_id": "post-251400", "text": "SPACE.com:NASA's Newest Mars Rover Is Biggest and Best Yet", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.991190016Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-08-22T16:25:00+0100", "id": "05da2e3b6a75220640c760f724faab69", "post_id": "post-251864", "text": "IMHO that mishap is a small price to pay for the overall success Curiosity had so far.But I can't decide if NASA and JPL where very very lucky, or that they are geniuses with that tricky landing of the Rover.:lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.660383488Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-03T22:16:22+0100", "id": "d7a21a7277f60d16b9c1c50173e1fcde", "post_id": "post-220603", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:I still have my copy of Red Mars, I'll see if I can glean some more information from it. Of course it'd be guesswork, but I remember the gondola had a crew of 2 (dude\/chick and of course they did...)Propulsion was electric IIRC.How was the Mars Ares plane to be powered? Rockets IIRC, When I find it I'll try to mimic that somehow. Perhaps something just enough to stay aloft at 500 meters or so, with some kind of RCS type steering.\n\nHmm....would RCS really be a good form of propulsion for an atmospheric craft, even on Mars? How much heavy hydrazine (or whatever fuel you choose to use) is it going to have to lug around?Hall thrusters or the like could be used for linear propulsion to some effect, but no matter what, this bird's not going anywhere quickly (not that it has to.)Excellent idea, though. I think you should definitely go through with it.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.44693248Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-30T02:48:00+0100", "id": "52b954b5d85bf7ee626d91c6ec194621", "post_id": "post-219870", "text": "Also kinda funny that the article calls it a magnetosphere when it is not by description a sphere. :lol:\n\nTrue, but we also use the term \"atmosphere\" to describe the air in the cabin of a spacecraft or aircraft...", "thread_id": 14058 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.005329664Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2012-10-09T07:21:38+0100", "id": "f383a4b067999ae565a73358f3732491", "post_id": "post-251956", "text": "NASA JPL:View of Curiosity's First Scoop Also Shows Bright ObjectThis image from the right Mast Camera (Mastcam) of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity shows a scoop full of sand and dust lifted by the rover's first use of the scoop on its robotic arm. In the foreground, near the bottom of the image, a bright object is visible on the ground. The object might be a piece of rover hardware.This image was taken during the mission's 61st Martian day, or sol (Oct. 7, 2012), the same sol as the first scooping. After examining Sol 61 imaging, the rover team decided to refrain from using the arm on Sol 62 (Oct. 8). Instead, the rover was instructed to acquire additional imaging of the bright object, on Sol 62, to aid the team in assessing possible impact, if any, to sampling activities.For scale, the scoop is 1.8 inches (4.5 centimeters) wide, 2.8 inches (7 centimeters) long.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.784536576Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-04-26T17:30:38+0100", "id": "b21a2a04d44e7a4255877ee12defa9b8", "post_id": "post-219320", "text": "IronRain said:yes, but you have to understand that autopilot, you need a manual timing, with LOLA you just say where you want to land, and it does it for you;)\n\nNot really. All you need to do is activate it and it'll take you down to the appropriate landing site for the mission.", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.612578048Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-06T22:27:27+0100", "id": "2da153965c06e4405a5367ed1670ea0b", "post_id": "post-220718", "text": "Ok, we appear to have a majority concencus. The name of the project is officially Prometheus.:)The only suggestion I can come up with for a mission patch is that it should include a flame (in recognition of prometheus).It looks like my idea of a start date was a bad idea. I would still like it if we could shoot for the 2050 launch window; if not, I have no real issue with 2003.Ashaman42: Yes, absolutely. We will need the fuel once we are there, especially given the ferry missions to get cargo\/crew from the ships to the ground and vice-versa.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.243763712Z", "author": "DanScall", "date": "2010-08-31T01:17:28+0100", "id": "cf4510871b993d9ca92cc057bfa3b0cf", "post_id": "post-252373", "text": "First of all, I apologies if this has been answered already. Seems like it would be a common question, but I can't find it anywhere.There's a ship I'd really like to fly in Orbiter, nobody is making it and nobody seems to have any plans to, so I'd kinda like to simply make it myself. It's a simple sphere ship, so it shouldn't be too hard I'm hoping.What I'd like to know is, is there a tutorial that teaches you to create a ship from scratch? Like, the whole shebang. Meshes, textures and config.Thanks very much.", "thread_id": 16290 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.51678592Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-30T21:21:34+0100", "id": "81a9bbc9e95ba3bb5d544cb7d946f45b", "post_id": "post-220034", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:Also, they knew it wouldn't separate, something about a shear pin that wouldn't be delivered on time. Made a nice boom eh?\n\nThe explosion they showed wasn't actually caused by the shuttle--it was another clip that they spliced in.", "thread_id": 14075 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.633257472Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T20:12:25+0100", "id": "cc2518c58afd98d03c0a18c46cd1f2f4", "post_id": "post-220545", "text": "Urwumpe said:Yes...which then means about 3-5 months of standing around on Mars, watching the paint dry, before the next player takes over.I don't know if it works out, but maybe we could also make the missions work, that during a cruise phase, another player(or more) might do assembly work or even do some simple science. When the mars surface crew has a sleep phase, there is a 10 hour window for doing again some maintenance for the cruising spacecraft, before the next player does again work on Mars.Also, I am not sure of the Arrow is all we need... the XR5 might be nicer for many tasks, since we could transport large payloads with it.\n\nTrue, but if we launch every two-three days it's a different story. Who said we have to launch after the crew on the way to Mars has landed?Off topic: After this is done I say we start a OFMSS ( Orbiter Forum Mars Space Station):p", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.484807168Z", "author": "skyteller59", "date": "2010-09-07T01:34:25+0100", "id": "8e2f354534ac776460435320429679f1", "post_id": "post-252677", "text": "Checked Orulex in 100830For me, Orulex seems to be functioning properly now, at least for 2010 P1. I had a slightly different experience with 100606. Also, I'm using ver. 1.2 of Orulex.", "thread_id": 16318 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.12961792Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2017-03-25T13:28:18+0000", "id": "6112704b101b8ebd9f6170add94b3f06", "post_id": "post-219627", "text": "MikeB said:I've never seen this thread before - very interesting.The photo below is not mine, but was made in 1931. The original print is in my possession and is about 34 inches wide (over 87 cm). I scanned it at 300 pixels\/inch, but downscaled it by 10x to keep it a manageable size for this post. The print shows amazing detail when magnified. They knew how to do photography in those days. The second image is a full-scale detail from the center, and shows my great-grandfather. He organized the gathering, and was a silent-film cameraman between about 1912 and 1928. He knew something about photography, too.The gathering is all men who were cowboys in the 19th century. Contact me if you want to know more about the backstory.https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/zzvn8dvc9jo5oiv\/CWT_Members_1931_10percent.png?dl=0https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/3x5y659w6b7wfgx\/Gant_1931.png?dl=0\n\nThat looks like it was shot on a panoramic camera, very cool.The guy who taught me how to print has a collection of old cameras including a panoramic one. It works by having a moving slit scan across the scene while the film is pulled through as the camera body is rotated. Hard to describe, but very clever mechanical device.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.823795712Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-04-29T13:57:58+0100", "id": "b55715f48c4d41327a31ed2067237cb4", "post_id": "post-219423", "text": "T.Neo said:The US influence on Germany in WWII (did the V2 actually go above 100km? I thought it was just high atmospheric) and on the USSR in the cold war. I would expect scientific and technological development to be far behind what it is in reality.\n\nI don't quite understand those two sentences.T.Neo said:And you do not \"get\" land. The land belongs to those who call it home; if you've been born somewhere, or your ancestors have lived there for generations, you're \"native\". Even the indigenous peoples of the Americas or Australia, or New Zealand came there not too long ago. And the same goes for the people that claim I'm a \"foreigner\" in my own country- many of them too came here only a few hundred years ago.\n\nAnd now guess why I put the quotation marks in place :thumbup:T.Neo said:I am not guilty when I use a computer, or watch a shuttle launch\n\nYou profit from history.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.551677952Z", "author": "flytandem", "date": "2010-10-05T21:13:25+0100", "id": "5e46276f5793d5fa8c206ed3ca1b6ebe", "post_id": "post-252899", "text": "Challenge 3. 2575.95 Kg used. A fun 45 minutes with Orbiter. Larger MCCs than I had hoped for. Maybe I'll try it again.edit: 2nd try challenge 3= 2503.91 Kg. Definitely fewer errors. Hard to shave much more than that I think. Maybe 2450 is possible??", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551725312Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-22T21:16:12+0100", "id": "e63fc57ba806310df957cb5f8cfed26b", "post_id": "post-220269", "text": "Does not sound like it did meet its goals, when it took over twice as long as planned as goal. And the Armadillo vehicles had much shorter overhauls between flights... but that is because of their simplicity. NASA can't be simple.Also, ONE 26 hours overhaul isn't that special - if it would have done so for a whole week or month, it would have been a good start. For commercial orbital services, you need to plan with one day in flight and maximal 12 hours on the ground - otherwise you have too much time on the ground for one vehicle to really cut costs. It isn't really about being able to launch every second day. But about doing many flights on demand when the customer needs it, with a minimal number of vehicles. Normal rockets already approach 14 days from order to launch.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.562153472Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2012-06-04T19:18:19+0100", "id": "102fb3bcf86fac29749af457493fcf2e", "post_id": "post-220396", "text": "Nicely noticed.N.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.872800768Z", "author": "Mandella", "date": "2012-08-06T06:34:14+0100", "id": "4218775e91e47b1a66c79e65d4fcd794", "post_id": "post-251603", "text": "Look at that control room!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902867712Z", "author": "vejiita", "date": "2010-04-29T16:45:17+0100", "id": "03a9750545f9536e63883176d6aa8f64", "post_id": "post-219479", "text": "This kind of intelligent discussion is the main reason why I stalk... err... read this board.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.631441664Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-18T00:00:01+0100", "id": "2d1d4050d052669b8322786b9c043880", "post_id": "post-220887", "text": "Urwumpe said:I just want to push things really forward, instead of just sitting around here, complaining about the lack of direction in the project. You wanted to be program leader, now try to stay on top of the wave.;)\n\nbut your doing such a marvelous job already...;)why not continue...Urwumpe said:No, actually just that not all tasks need to be done by astronauts, but that manual action is needed. For example irrigation can happen automatically, but harvesting or planting seeds not.Once the base sketch is done, I can upload it, I have still some small details that don't work together (eg where and how to install a nuclear reactor), also I am not sure yet how much \"farm\" land an astronaut needs for getting completely self-sustained and now much he needs if only 50,75, 90% sustainment-level is needed (eg, 50% of the food is from Mars, the rest is from Earth)The whole image is about 500m x 500m large, I included two areas for landing\/launching spacecraft and one for the reactor (for which I am still not sure how to install it best).\n\nAlright this might be beyond the scope of the base but how exactly are we getting all this there? Nuclear reactor? 10m hab modules? This realistically will never fit into little UCGO cargo boxes, but would we 'break' Dan's rule about the compacted size and have the mesh set at more realistic sizes\/weight, but how then would it fit the Arrow? Or are we not really going to use the Arrow or UCGO at all but keep the IDMS idea and transport it that way? Though keeping in mind the UCGO 'deploy' by UMMU is ideal. Either way, the end result will still be the same... we will need meshes modeled and textured for the finished version of the parts listed above.Sand Dunes (easiest, mostly a mound with texture)greenhouseReactorSmall disk thing textured like cement for 'landing areas'hab moduleshab mod attachmentsI think I have everything so far,Anyway, by reactor you mean afull out nuclear reactorwith cooling towers and everything? Do you really think there is enough water on Mars to actively 'steam' for the reactor? -More importantly, who wants to play nuclear engineer. :lol:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.932114688Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-06-23T17:29:41+0100", "id": "7b2ae290411eac2c26369eea7f6c769c", "post_id": "post-251162", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Mars Rover Arrives in Florida After Cross-Country FlightJune 23, 2011PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's next Mars rover has completed the journey from its California birthplace to Florida in preparation for launch this fall.The Mars Science Laboratory rover, also known as Curiosity, arrived late Wednesday night at NASA's Kennedy Space Center aboard an Air Force C-17 transport plane. It was accompanied by the rocket-powered descent stage that will fly the rover during the final moments before landing on Mars. The C-17 flight began at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, Calif., where the boxed hardware had been trucked from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.Click on image for details\u200bCuriosity, the Mars Science Laboratory mission's rover, along with the mission's descent stage, arrived at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, Fla., on June 22, 2011, aboard a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane.\u200bImage credit: NASA\u200bThe rover's aeroshell -- the protective covering for the trip to the Red Planet -- and the cruise stage, which will guide it to Mars, arrived at Kennedy last month. The mission is targeted to launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station between Nov. 25 and Dec. 18. The car-size rover will land on Mars in August 2012.\"The design and building part of the mission is nearly behind us now,\" said JPL's David Gruel, who has managed Mars Science Laboratory assembly, test and launch operations since 2007. \"We're getting to final checkouts before sending the rover on its way to Mars.\"The rover and other spacecraft components will undergo more testing before mission staff stack them and fuel the onboard propulsion systems. Curiosity should be enclosed in its aeroshell for the final time in September and delivered to Kennedy's Launch Complex 41 in early November for integration with a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket.Curiosity is about twice as long and more than five times as heavy as any previous Mars rover. Its 10 science instruments include two for ingesting and analyzing samples of powdered rock delivered by the rover's robotic arm. During a prime mission lasting one Martian year -- nearly two Earth years -- researchers will use the rover's tools to study whether the landing region has had environmental conditions favorable for supporting microbial life and favorable for preserving clues about whether life existed.{...}NASA Press Release:RELEASE : 11-201 - NASA Mars Rover Arrives In Florida After Cross-Country Flight", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.088792832Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2013-05-14T15:13:39+0100", "id": "e5c3b05adda56f9259360206d2223199", "post_id": "post-219579", "text": "sitha241 said:Do you plan to put how you made 3d printer?:)\n\nNo point - it's mostly a typical RepRap job -http:\/\/reprap.org\/wiki\/Main_PageOnly unusual part is the electronics, which i made to be autonomous (this type of printer is usually working connected to a PC) -http:\/\/forums.reprap.org\/read.php?13,195726", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.657645824Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-02T21:42:03+0100", "id": "724daa9076034a5796035b66b5bc57a4", "post_id": "post-220572", "text": "Sounds like a great idea in general, but what i would have hoped to see from it is a nice, station-like modular, near-future tech interplanetary spaceship stack, a thing which is notoriously lacking in Orbiter for the moment.Thus, instead of Arrow, to build a Mars-bound vessel in MEO, using existing add-ons and maybe some glue meshes, and then launch it Mars-way.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.982838528Z", "author": "Topper", "date": "2012-08-09T18:48:41+0100", "id": "b4d39accbb4533df3d7de7cdb9b1eb3f", "post_id": "post-251798", "text": "I think yes, because they are in both directions... maybe shiftet by 180 deg.But thats just what i belive :lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.08772096Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-05-02T02:38:39+0100", "id": "ae7f5f09c5b84c911632a6323a1680b4", "post_id": "post-219571", "text": "So you're getting chromatic aberration from your cheap lens trying to collect so many frequencies when it can only focus for a narrow band?---------- Post added at 09:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:37 PM ----------And how come some photos appear monochrome (black and white) and others are in color?", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.141989888Z", "author": "railfanatic844", "date": "2011-05-21T01:31:26+0100", "id": "3c924ffa8ff98a16e5f91e2587465586", "post_id": "post-219643", "text": "sorry, but i looked in the playback. i run shuttle fleet V4.5 in Orbiter 2010 P1 but i don't see the playback", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.047334656Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-11-18T09:56:38+0000", "id": "454292b2d41cae3bb51ad805a7bb59c9", "post_id": "post-251217", "text": "N_Molson said:The great advantage with the RTGs is that you don't have to worry with hardware power-on once in orbit, solar panels deployement & alignement, like it was the case with Phobos-Grunt.\n\nOr all the dust on the solar panels once the spacecraft is on the surface of mars, like with the MERs.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.410155264Z", "author": "Eagle", "date": "2010-04-28T15:39:48+0100", "id": "824bdb4bdd3c5547f93940c370fa52eb", "post_id": "post-219804", "text": "For the current launchers I would just check out the manufacturer's website. At worst you'll have to send an email request.http:\/\/www.spacex.com\/Falcon9UsersGuide_2009.pdfhttp:\/\/www.spacex.com\/Falcon1UsersGuide.pdf", "thread_id": 14046 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.561535744Z", "author": "Matrix Aran", "date": "2012-06-04T07:55:09+0100", "id": "6876d26f0fb53446064f38a989d88f31", "post_id": "post-220388", "text": "RGClark said:Having personal vehicles to orbit is a pretty significant benefit in regards to making spaceflight routine.Bob Clark\n\nDoesn't space flight have to become routine before people will trust it enough to own personal vehicles to orbit? This is starting to sound like the story about the chicken and egg.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.453079296Z", "author": "DanM", "date": "2010-09-01T02:45:40+0100", "id": "aeff5b07606c8711821b7f5ea8dc84b3", "post_id": "post-252583", "text": "Hello everyone. You might have seen me around here in the past few months. I never took the opportunity to introduce myself. As you can see, my name's Dan. I got into spaceflight and orbiter when I was 10. I got less interested around the time I turned 13, but starting over summer, I began studying spaceflight and flying orbiter and other sims again. So that's pretty much my story as far as orbiter goes.", "thread_id": 16309 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.488059136Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-01T02:31:07+0100", "id": "8d354508de742a5f423dc587b44e3d83", "post_id": "post-219997", "text": "All the speed brakes I've worked on deployed from the fuselage. Spoilers deploy from the upper side of the wing surface, the better to enable them to \"spoil\" the lift?My wife says I'm flying \"spaceships\" around the galaxy, my daughter says I'm exploring the solar system using different spacecraft designs.I love my wife, but my daughter is a work of art.", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.632489472Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-19T01:11:37+0100", "id": "8a3094ae6bfa89658cf830a749db697d", "post_id": "post-220897", "text": "I'll start doing some preliminary models of the surface base including (hopefully) the CM. When you're finished with the dunes, could you post them so that I can add them to my surface base?---------- Post added at 12:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 AM ----------btw, an update to the list of models needed on the wiki; we also need greenhouses.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.001305088Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-10T17:33:50+0100", "id": "e383dd99c92d0ef40efbc2e6c340098f", "post_id": "post-251920", "text": "Universe Today:An Awesome View of Curiosity\u2019s TummyCuriosity\u2019s underside as imaged by the MAHLI camera. Credit: NASA\/JPL\/MSSS; image editing by Astro0.\u200bNASA:NASA Mars Rover Curiosity's Arm Wields Camera Well\/ NASA JPL:NASA Mars Rover Curiosity's Arm Wields Camera Well", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551003648Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-21T18:50:07+0100", "id": "96828cbc725f65c4c3730a4c3c578173", "post_id": "post-220261", "text": "T.Neo said:...I really do wonder what figures you calculated for reusability that compel you to say things like \"reduce cost by 1 to 2 orders of magnitude\". That simply won't happen, unless your vehicle works on pure magic...\n\nIt's coming from the idea that the the vehicle would be reusable in the range of, say, 100 times, instead of throwing it away after each use.This also would require the maintenance costs to be low on each flight. Recall that one of the stated goals of the DC-X and the X-33 programs was to demonstrate this idea of low maintenance and quick turnaround time for space vehicles. The DC-X program did demonstrate this within it's operability envelope, which was low altitude, rocket flight. It would have been great to see for the X-33 if this is doable with vehicles that have to undergo reentry. Perhaps the X-37B will be able to demonstrate this.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.651775232Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-12T07:08:20+0100", "id": "4f6d47cd6a16a5c0ff19e117bb4c1579", "post_id": "post-221046", "text": "Izack said:Could I get any extra information from Bj or Columbia42 regarding the OSHV? Mass, dimensions, shape, anything?\n\nI currently estimate the mass of the OSHV to be comparable to the Hab of the Mars Direct Plan - the mass it lacks for propulsion systems and heat shield, it adds as additional laboratory space. That means, about 30 tons of mass. Since we are in the beginning of the development, I even increased the mass budget of it to 40 tons for calculating the propellant demands of the Sky crane.What needs research on my side is how much drag surfaces the Skycrane needs for which terminal velocity. This is an optimization problem: The less drag the Skycrane produces during late reentry and the less mass is allocated to such aerodynamic drag devices, the more fuel mass it needs for landing and lift-off.I already have a nice shape in my head for the skycrane to do such a mission, but this shape adds mission mass by requiring an expendable heat shield for covering the payload, for example an IRDT like inflatable heat shield.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.267208448Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-02T11:08:38+0100", "id": "fe309c54f64d6a66f661fe65e3617d3e", "post_id": "post-252408", "text": "As an amusement note, one of Russian electronic newspapers reported that this morning \"Space freighter Progress M-07M together with a cluster of three Glonass-M satellites was launched on Proton-M rocket\" and that the Progress would dock to the ISS on September 10th.\n\nI'm sure there's a way to do that with Throton's Proton LV 2.2 :lol:Amazing launch ! Love that rocket !", "thread_id": 16293 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.656119552Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-06-14T22:54:24+0100", "id": "c4b532c8271492f47a1dce8912cac9b9", "post_id": "post-221089", "text": "I have tried, without much luck, to make a high res area for a possible landing site.Here is the Base config:Code:BASE-V2.0\nName = OFMM landing site\nLocation = -68.50 -5\nSize = 50\n \nBEGIN_SURFTILELIST\n0 -8 -98 1\nEND_SURFTILELISTI have a .dds file named Mars_0_w0008_s0098 in the textures folder.Any of you see anything that I obviously did wrong?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.558224896Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-01-06T20:27:09+0000", "id": "006202789c055b1afaeb9ab9b1c080ab", "post_id": "post-220344", "text": "Urwumpe said:4. You still didn't show concrete numbers for a complete system. You still just mention parts and materials, but never combine them into one system. Your numbers are completely worthless that way. I could for example design a very light dish (for food) from magnesium - but it would be worthless in actual use like that with that material (just put magnesium in a microwave)\n\nThis is only a first order analysis using general mass numbers. A more extensive analysis would use expensive computer software for calculating the various components and their interactions.This is what you do before you proceed to the expensive detailed calculations.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.464588544Z", "author": "amani", "date": "2010-11-21T17:01:02+0000", "id": "2d448c59451916e0482a45d027915bd6", "post_id": "post-252618", "text": "wich map do i put the addons", "thread_id": 16313 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.580715264Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-07-05T22:28:35+0100", "id": "181387aadb35c971ae73e4ae2660e979", "post_id": "post-220181", "text": "Yes - but their conclusions are wrong, so better not jump on them too much. All they have is an net effect by having a shorter burn time (A hydrogen\/oxygen rocket with the same acceleration capability could also use it).Now, in practical spaceflight, you don't get much there. Simply because your choice of propellants also means:Different mass ratios and engine performances - while you need less DV (spacecraft independent, only result of the trajectory), your spacecraft will need much more fuel for following the trajectory.A TSTO using the same trajectory to orbit would still brutally outperform the SSTO, the general calculations remain the same.You can't increase the acceleration ad infinitum - throttle limits and wetware limits will make it impossible to get much shorter ascents.But that is an old answer, you used this typical example of American guessing what the simulation results mean pretty often already. A short look at the ascent equation would have been better and would have wasted less bits for the reply. (Read the textbook, stupid!)PS: If you read my math again, you might find out that I used no special TSTO case. I used concrete numbers for specific impulse and construction mass ratio (which is, engines, electronics and structure, but not payload, to propellant mass) for visualization, but the performance of the TSTO being better than the SSTO in pure physics will always remain.Only in economics, there is an SSTO \"island\" possible - but you won't get there by evolution of existing economics. It is also very unlikely to be better than the TSTO \"island\", since, as shown above, the pure physical superiority exists.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.81528576Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-04-26T13:48:03+0100", "id": "a1fd0e4675805f35723c71187377e38d", "post_id": "post-219337", "text": "Aliens almost certainly exist but humans should avoid making contact, Professor Stephen Hawking has warned....\"If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans,\" he said.\n\nBut Native Americans didn't look for Europeans to contact them. It's Europeans, who found a New Land and Native Americans, and it was on the same planet.IIRC, currently humans are the ones, who are looking for new planets and the aliens, and not the aliens, who are looking for the humans and Earth.But he warned that aliens might simply raid Earth for resources, then move on.\n\nLike the Earth is the most resourceful planet in the universe. :rofl:Rather, they could take away our Sun and a few asteroids, if they need some resources. :lol:Why do people think that alien species are similar to Earth species. Maybe they don't need more and more and more, like human kind.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.55238784Z", "author": "flytandem", "date": "2011-01-10T17:21:03+0000", "id": "dd1b04209b12443b9700ed5e1db8d937", "post_id": "post-252907", "text": "another run at challenge 3 with 2429.12 Kg used.grabbed a printscreen when the completion dialogue box came up (attached)", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.902162432Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-28T23:48:34+0100", "id": "c7df946bf0ca534d777f01dac86e0fb7", "post_id": "post-219468", "text": "Here's an example of an interplanetary ship design which uses a large propellant tank as the main structure, with a backbone truss in front enclosing the expendable drop tank. This serves the dual purpose of isolating the crew from the nuclear rockets in the stern, while providing lots of propellant storage volume. This pic is from AndyMc's [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2794\"]Cargo Transfer Vehicles v0.95[\/nomedia]:", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.616416768Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-08T14:53:51+0100", "id": "587c268470d636e53547f9d1ba711eaa", "post_id": "post-220752", "text": "Urwumpe said:Who says that this job is democratically elected? Who shouts too loud gets the job, and all that comes with it: Gastritis, loss of hair, meetings, ties and even more meetings. And you'll realize how much time passed, when your young daughter tells you the next time you see her that she'll get married.Is always like that in spaceflight. If you are no convinced alpha (fe)male, don't even think about the job. You are only doing this as long as you swim on top of the wave, and for doing this job, you need to be convinced that you are the only person who can do it.\n\nI volunteered because noone else has. If you want to do it, your more than welcome. Same goes with anyone else...@anyone else, thanks for the support guys.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.640831488Z", "author": "HAL9001", "date": "2010-09-03T20:14:46+0100", "id": "969dbe8b3cc26319868c3d1790364d62", "post_id": "post-253055", "text": "There were lotas of:probe:sent to sun.All burned away, but until that moment they sent Data.", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.081605632Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-07-24T14:35:46+0100", "id": "9e5947852093383dda4881a942ebc7e8", "post_id": "post-219531", "text": "Andy44 said:Very cool, Sib Tig! I think I may have seen those before somewhere, maybe in a magazine. Some of those appear to be taken from shoulder height; surely he's not hand-holding his camera for those long shots?\n\nNP. The last pic had a comment \"taken with a camera fixed to the car's wall\". Others, I don't know.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.581572608Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-07-12T02:24:08+0100", "id": "db000b4e44bef0a45ffd42c874b04e12", "post_id": "post-220193", "text": "I think I was seriously, severely wrong, with my calculations, somewhere. I punched the data for my ET-derived SSTO into that calculator, with a 10 ton fairing (seperation 2 minutes in), and gotroughly 38 tonsto a 200x200, 28 degree LEO from KSC.Now, initially I thought there was something seriously wrong with that calculator (which there might be).I then created a simple Velcro Rocket of the vehicle, lacking a fairing.I gave it a payload of 35 tons.I achieved an orbit of ~322x215km from KSC.Admittedly, I cheated, as I circularised at apogee, but I probably could have done a direct ascent (and achieved a less wonky orbit), if I had better style.Where did I go wrong here? Am I being to pessimistic with sea-level figures for the first 2km\/s of applied dV?Or are Velcro Rockets and the Launch Vehicle Performance Calculator being too optimistic?The calculator assumes full thrust throughout the mission, which, with this, means accelerations on the order of 10G or more, which probably increases payload capacity (no thought spared for structural considerations, obviously).Velcro rockets does seem to reduce thrust at sea-level, though I'm not sure if this matches the actual figures (or if there's a relation with exhaust velocity- I'll have to look at that).It probably isn't as simple as my calculations, or the internet calculator's calculations (hence the disclaimer), or even a simulation using Orbiter and Velcro Rockets. But they do give a hint, and maybe my hint was too pessimistic to be realistic, in which case I apologise.That still doesn't eliminate the problems faced by SSTO vehicles (or launch vehicles in general) though.But theLaunch Vehicles Performance Calculatorlooks like a very interesting tool for speculating, creating Orbiter addons, and general playing around. Thanks for posting it, RGClark.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.93709056Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T21:02:02+0100", "id": "a4418f1aa621e1478afc6fe347d92364", "post_id": "post-251725", "text": "Agreed! Ultra-WIN for unmanned spaceflight!---------- Post added at 02:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:36 PM ----------DOD and Langley AFB used assets to determine exactly where the rover touched down. They knew it with greater precision than the team actually flying it did.---------- Post added at 03:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:45 PM ----------Rocker-Bogie - how it works --", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.623166464Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-11T03:25:35+0100", "id": "f5635095f67f5dd3966a9dfe7b19032b", "post_id": "post-220809", "text": "Right now I'm working on two other addons however I might be able to make time to do a little modeling for some of the ships (Although I'm not too good at modeling I could probably do an NTR cargo ship or something along those lines.)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.596752896Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-05-04T09:20:58+0100", "id": "d90b8720a9f034afc0f81dcd82893f24", "post_id": "post-220512", "text": "I find it naturally fitting this forum and topic to advertise a simulator game allowing you to feel like at firing controls of an SA-2:http:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/samsimulator1972\/home;)", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.991329536Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-08-22T16:26:02+0100", "id": "9b0d54a741b2171a6b80637aac1779fa", "post_id": "post-251865", "text": "Problem is that for each gram of shielding you add on the rover, you need to add propellant on the rocket's upper stage, on the navigation thrusters, and on the skycrane...\n\nBut worth it, if it is required to prevent failures.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.637211648Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-20T00:44:52+0100", "id": "593769366c8a230191e4fc58b658c254", "post_id": "post-220920", "text": "Well, frack. I'm not sure what to do about that, unless you want to move construction to lunar orbit, in which case the NERVA could launch itself believably enough. I'm sure that's a few tishes less realistic, though.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.169720576Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-10-27T18:43:11+0100", "id": "763d76510c38f0e43cecfd178cce2433", "post_id": "post-219694", "text": "juniormiranda said:Anyone discovered what is the camera-like device on the side of Progress cargo module?\n\nProbably, it IS a camera? Can you post an image highlighting the part that confuses you?", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.254134784Z", "author": "Qdog002", "date": "2010-08-31T18:42:13+0100", "id": "d22ce36a92c6bea77097f785ac37d41c", "post_id": "post-252392", "text": "Still not working. I have to go . I will PM you later tonight if that`s ok with you.", "thread_id": 16291 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.658144Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T22:37:33+0100", "id": "9243bc40d5a8f9e2e4386179f956bf05", "post_id": "post-220578", "text": "Artlav said:Figuratively speaking...\n\nright, gathered that:)Artlav said:Well, how much new modules do we need? There are a lot of add-ons. Although, i was getting kind of depressed while browsing thru them looking for something to make an interplanetary ship out of.What would it take to make a vessel to go to Mars?-Engine and fuel tanks-Habitable area (lots of space station modules)-Power system (solar panels or a reactor, first look cooler)-Auxillary stuff (airlocks, ports, etc)-Cargo decks (UCGO SDK+some simple meshes)-Scaffolding and keel (some more meshes)-Shuttles (available on Earth side a-plenty, something DG-like on Mars side)Well, needs careful thinking out, to be honest.\n\nThis looks like its turning into developing a whole new vessel rather then concentrating on just getting there, doing the mission, come back.What about using the resources already available? Like the building blocks or similar. It would take a whole year just to get a station like it lifted into orbit and sent on its way. The only real think that needs developing is an engine with controllable pitch, just in case the COG is really off center.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.31388928Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-04-28T00:49:00+0100", "id": "c99825d607362b7137bfeefa4954fb42", "post_id": "post-219763", "text": "Perhaps it's just specific to certain card models -- it's running fine on my Windows 7 x64 box here with a GTX 280. That's a weird bug!", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.533039872Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2008-05-28T13:28:29+0100", "id": "f9f586e8357176bba762baa4f5340fe5", "post_id": "post-69072", "text": "Master of Blades said:But what would happen to the ET?\n\nIt would phone home.", "thread_id": 1633 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.668139264Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T13:59:04+0100", "id": "c7105a4ab1c029077c182cc00c5da1a6", "post_id": "post-220674", "text": "What about naming it \"Nergal\" - that is the Sumerian name for Mars.;)Also, can we at least agree on using the Darian calendar for the mission?http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Darian_calendar", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.190169344Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2008-05-11T04:00:03+0100", "id": "19858bfc743b34873a224a729f7c3bdd", "post_id": "post-65186", "text": "After making the McLaren XR-1 skin, I got a request for the DGIV (look out Ferrari!). I originally wanted to have the team name in a single line, but the text warped around the hull too much, so I put it all on the payload bay doors.[ame=http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3361]More...[\/ame]", "thread_id": 1403 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.544186112Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-02T12:41:59+0100", "id": "06ca389321336bc82b57e6c198e7ad12", "post_id": "post-252867", "text": "Here's only relevant information cropped from texgen.log:GPU Name=NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTSLevel4: Done in324178Level5: Done in461316Level6: Done in999300Level7: Done in3125774Level8: Done in11593098Video memory on graphics card: 640 MB.planetgen.exe - shader.log:Code:genprog:\n0(19) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"\n0(19) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"\n0(20) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"\n0(20) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"\n\nFragment info\n-------------\n0(19) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"\n0(19) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"\n0(20) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"\n0(20) : warning C7011: implicit cast from \"int\" to \"float\"", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.816839424Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-04-26T17:04:18+0100", "id": "f796a639ceaed909d22f1af94155d40e", "post_id": "post-219355", "text": "T.Neo:The DNA that you carry, influences also your brain -> your way of thinking -> the way you behave as \/ in society.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.596016896Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-05-01T23:31:55+0100", "id": "6cc03edda37b36be267cdac0f94c28fd", "post_id": "post-220507", "text": "Take it up with Wikipedia, Urwumpe;).", "thread_id": 14080 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.01407104Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-12-29T23:11:54+0000", "id": "c56b9794efd576f5d88cd1b0af11c2c4", "post_id": "post-252055", "text": "From Yahoo news:http:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/road-trip-tap-nasas-mars-rover-134636007.html", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.16921088Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-10-25T15:26:12+0100", "id": "292df17879f5ceaa903d1f4e3b672017", "post_id": "post-219689", "text": "RIA Novosti:Russia's Progress craft to be undocked from ISS.Progress M-05M\/37P is scheduled for undocking today at about 14:22 UTC \/ ~10:22 a.m. EDT.Here's calendar eventwith set event timer for the undocking.---------- Post added at 16:26 ---------- Previous post was at 15:07 ----------Roscosmos:Progress M-05M to Depart from the ISS Today:Progress M-05M \/ International space station (ISS) attached mission is almost over.Today, at 18:25 Moscow time, an undocking command for the automatic cargo vehicle will be issued from the ISS. Three minutes later, the Progress will be separated from the docking port on the Pirs module.After separation, the Progress will continue flying autonomously till Nov. 15....\n\n", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.611204096Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-06T03:12:00+0100", "id": "6c309f1bcc635a02e92be7f400519947", "post_id": "post-220705", "text": "Hey, at least we don`t have to worry about funding.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.48429312Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-01T10:46:08+0100", "id": "03b72a7929064007d735d539b7da1db1", "post_id": "post-252673", "text": "Have you tried ifOrulex for O2010works with Orbiter 2010-P1 yet?If it doesn't, then I'm sure thatOGLA graphics client, that has built-in Orulex will be updated for Orbiter 2010-P1 in some time (only Artlav knows when).Just check them. Maybe Orulex for O2010 works with Orbiter 100830, and it doesn't need to be updated at all. I would try it if I was interested, but not right now (later, when I'm at home). But if you just wanted to say that you tried it and it doesn't work, so it needs to be updated, then I'm sorry, but I can't help you, and you need to wait for the answer from Artlav.", "thread_id": 16318 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.650561536Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-11T03:37:46+0100", "id": "008b2f5e3119055dd6232546776acc78", "post_id": "post-221035", "text": "Izack said:Currently I'm trying to make a general template for those cargo modules, so that for the most part it will just require slapping a different name on each label. So far I've had little success, because of inexperience, time constraints (work, other projects, the usual) and most importantly procrastination, for which I apologise. I'll try to speed things up this weekend and maybe get a design posted.\n\nDidn't mean to sound pushy or anything. I thought we were going to have unique textures for each, which would require copious amounts of time. Your idea is much more efficient.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.638498816Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-20T03:07:59+0100", "id": "030a059b1f972588ef6db1cd2981ebf4", "post_id": "post-220931", "text": "Bloodworth said:Now THAT'S a ROCKET!!!:thumbup:\n\nI don't know. I don't really like it somehow. Too off-balance.I'd say the Ares V looks like the best choice. Also, Constellation needs a little glory.;)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.544697856Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-09-02T15:45:28+0100", "id": "e13de3995ef1231b3297ccb3c52469d2", "post_id": "post-252872", "text": "Code:GPU Name=NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512\n--Initializing computation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone in 560642\nWriting bmp\nFinita.This is for lvl 5. How do I make it generate other levels?", "thread_id": 16332 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.13505536Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-04-27T02:52:58+0100", "id": "7aa32316ed77a778cfb302cf0d9f7e61", "post_id": "post-219631", "text": "I generally don't try to get inspired for add-ons, I wait until I see a need for an add-on and then I do it. My add-ons were made because I had a concept in mind of a lunar transfer network, and the only way I was going to see what I wanted in Orbiter was to do it myself.So, since I have that framework to work within, if I decide I want to do another add-on I just think about my little \"universe\" and what I haven't built for it yet. I have a list in my head as long as my arm of stuff I might want to do someday.", "thread_id": 14023 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.903564288Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-30T15:19:25+0100", "id": "20a590861aaa2b4d4f785b2aebc5db70", "post_id": "post-219488", "text": "Yes. The savings from having a structure primarily in tension would be large. It must be remembered that these are often kilometer long spacecraft.Redundancy, on the other hand, isn't going to add that much mass. And you should have it anyway.Canting the drives (or at least the thrust streams) slightly should not add much mass either. It detracts more from a thrust perspective. If you do it right, you might even be able to have a single drive that redirects thrust away from the craft in an equal manner.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.665562112Z", "author": "NukeET", "date": "2010-09-06T18:04:33+0100", "id": "af7c426f99baabdc1a31eb78ca2640d0", "post_id": "post-253116", "text": "N_Molson said:I'm pretty sure than (nuclear) submariners endure far worse constraints when they stay at more than 100 people encapsulated under water for months.\n\nSpeaking from experience: \"Perhaps\". I'd volunteer for this mission in a heart beat. Besides, the view is WAY better and it would be easier to communicate with family while away.", "thread_id": 16349 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.088017664Z", "author": "Blacklight", "date": "2012-05-07T21:43:00+0100", "id": "5ce27eab9235a1cb6de1c081694928e1", "post_id": "post-219574", "text": "It's a shame that film is getting made less and less. Proper pinhole camera photography is eventually going to go away. I'm sure it's doable with a digital camera, but it's not the same, and you can't just knock one together in 15 minutes.", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.648816896Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-06-09T02:52:00+0100", "id": "fc44eca75884cd1745f03a42c7e5686f", "post_id": "post-221019", "text": "Oh yeah, the, uh, Wiki. I, um, I check that all the time....:shifty:. Was there a reason for the decision? I remember discussion about the DGIV not being able to do something UMMUs, I can't remember though.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.000511232Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-09-06T17:13:04+0100", "id": "72a68ad2f88524c5b91254af2c0e5349", "post_id": "post-251911", "text": "It may take you a long time to store all that energy up in batteries and capacitors\n\nSo basically that's the same kind of stuff that you can find in a LCD screen PSU, that's what I wanted to know.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.1689536Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-05-05T22:10:30+0100", "id": "034a4f70a0878e21e9b5fbccb3ed6ef9", "post_id": "post-219686", "text": "I have just started reading these launch reports - very good jobs, Pete and SiberianTiger! I really think the Soyuz and Progress are beautiful craft - Soichi's pictures really make it look great. Also, I have wondered - is it possible to see Soyuz and Progress from the ground - I cannot find any pictures or tracking data for any of them.Thanks.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.169585664Z", "author": "juniormiranda", "date": "2010-10-27T18:27:13+0100", "id": "a4fd1a56d03b8f14e63c33c62e79cc18", "post_id": "post-219693", "text": "Progress M-05MAnyone discovered what is the camera-like device on the side of Progress cargo module?", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.039384576Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2014-02-04T03:14:41+0000", "id": "1eae54331f008b4190a40c20ff220f53", "post_id": "post-252159", "text": "Especially with the rtg, it's just too awesome. Looks like we'll all see if curiosity can really be keep crawling on stumps like they claimed. Worst case scenario, it can be a stationary weather lab. There was a time when landers had to do all the science in one spot---------- Post added at 07:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:03 PM ----------It may also be as simple as misjudging the exact character of the terrain a little bit. For example slightly sharper rocks on slightly firmer ground, less sandy than anticipated. OR they were a little bit too cocky with the auto pilot they are showcasing.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.437432064Z", "author": "markl316", "date": "2010-04-29T01:21:02+0100", "id": "d709f8121c619b13afd7e5c3f4d6c9d9", "post_id": "post-219817", "text": "I usually just fly it by itself, cause it's so huge. Can deepstar still not take an XR5 if you empty the payload bay and fuel tanks?And IIRC, didn't deepstar 1.0 have a pretty high thrust? Like 5 g's when nearing empty?", "thread_id": 14052 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.552141056Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-11-12T20:40:48+0000", "id": "a1c2e2ec9a0fa30384b18413755b87bb", "post_id": "post-220274", "text": "I only have this one for winged TSTOs.http:\/\/smartech.gatech.edu\/jspui\/bitstream\/1853\/8398\/1\/aiaa_2001-4542.pdf", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.266505728Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-01T20:05:41+0100", "id": "e894fba48e218d092c772eefa5469fc7", "post_id": "post-252402", "text": "Roscosmos PAO: State Board: 'Go' for Proton-M Tanking.State Board meeting at Baikonur concluded about launch readiness of Proton-M rocket with three Glonass-M spacecraft. Proton\u2019s pre-tanking began at 20:30,to be followed by oxidizer\/fuel tanking later on tonight.Proton-M\/DM-2 with a cluster of three Glonass-M\u2019s are to lift off at 04.53.50, Sept. 2.\n\n", "thread_id": 16293 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.485985792Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-30T04:54:15+0100", "id": "fb96f8875a7280223b06cfebac755467", "post_id": "post-219976", "text": "Literally, there is no difference between the two, but when I hear \"spaceship\" I think of the Enterprise or the Galactica or whatever, and \"spacecraft\" makes me think of Shuttles and Soyuzes (I doubt that is spelled correctly...I know nothing of Russian, or English spellings of Russian words.)Well, to be honest 'spacecraft' first makes me think of Vinka's Spacecraft\/2\/3. Maybe it should go to the 'addicted' thread? :lol:", "thread_id": 14069 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.570011136Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-19T17:34:10+0000", "id": "430ce290f7adb9fbb5d3e2ffad1df72f", "post_id": "post-220458", "text": "RGClark said:This is when it is mentioned discussions with SpaceX about their rocket decelerated reentry of the F9 v1.1 first stage.\n\nSo I didn't miss it in my memory. You just misquote again.In the context of supersonic rocket decelleration, they are \"looking at what companies, notably SpaceX, do there\". This is not discussing with SpaceX to do anything together - just observing how they are performing there. Since SpaceX is the only company currently attempting something there actively, this is no surprise. The DC-X program that achieved the same as the Grasshopper, is long in the past.---------- Post added at 06:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:18 PM ----------RGClark said:Everyone is allowed to criticize. But he has an MBA from the best business school in the United States and has created three billion dollar companies in three different fields.\n\nLast time I looked, being capable of dividing by 100 is prerequisite of any MBA curriculum, not just in metric countries.Also, you should already know, that titles and \"being from the best business school in the USA\" (so had been the people who got us into the subprime crisis and who made Greece a formidable Eurozone candidate) is no reason for me to be impressed. Argue with reason and we will get around fine. Argue by authority and you will enter a world of pain. I hatehollow argumentsbyhollow authoritieswithworthless titles.And we had already established that before: Aside of Paypal, Musk has not achieved much yet in terms of profit. Tesla exists, but still waits for any notable success on the market - it currently tries to diversify by becoming supplier for the big successful companies. 2\/3rds of your claimed \"equity volume\" is actual loans and subsidies - \"borrowed capital\", as MBAs say.PS: I am doing some bit of business administration studies in my freetime and weekends after my regular 40 hour work, not at the \"best business school in the USA\", but by teachers who actually know what they are talking about - and I can divide by 100. I can even do that flawless at 5G and while gunny Hartmann is talking to me.So please, think before you post. It is better for you, me and all the others here.PS2: And Elon Musk has no M.B.A, his highest academic degree just BSc, if you leave the honorary doctorates away (Who needs a \"Doctor of Sweet Fanny Adams\" anyway) - he left the M.B.A program of Wharton as undergraduate. Maybe you should not only think before you post, but alsocheck your facts before I do it.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.478147072Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-30T10:42:29+0100", "id": "43b4d9d97b82e29785da5e8ce198f8b3", "post_id": "post-252650", "text": "Notebook said:Takes 647Kw to vaporise .34 cubic metres of Lox per second?\n\nAt which LOX pressure and temperature?", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55591552Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-03T20:12:31+0000", "id": "bc5dea9b27317eb883c1b457d58c506d", "post_id": "post-220316", "text": "There is little debate that a reusable SSTO would have lower operational costs than a TSTO one if it exists. The debate is whether its lower payload would make it worthwhile.\n\nI would say there is much more than little debate. The disadvantages of SSTO- a larger vehicle and more intensive technology, will increase operating as well as development costs.First, a key problem for reducing the cost of spaceflight is that it can only come from reusability.\n\nThat is an extremely simplistic view. There are many ways that launch costs can be reduced, not all include reusability. For example, different schemes for using hardware, different methods of manufacturing, higher manufacturing rates and lower labour costs can all reduce launch costs.Granted, reusability is likely the only way to get a certain specific type of cost reduction, but it also won't work well in certain scenarios (for example, at a certain flight rate it may be more economic to produce large amounts of hardware and expend it rather than a much smaller amount of hardware and reuse it).In addition, reusability can backfire and actually increase costs. It has to be implemented correctly both technology wise and logistically.As I argued before for small SSTO's a large market would be for small privately owned manned SSTO's.\n\nRegardless of the size of this potential market, the disadvantages of SSTO are present for this application too. And perhaps make it particularly unsuited for it (for example, the more advanced engines and higher takeoff weight).Having seperate stages is not a game-ender. And it isn't limited to \"SSTO or TSTO\". There are plenty of ways of potentially doing things- for example, a pop-up first stage is one. An air-launched SSTO is another. Both could improve the physical demands to the point at which such a system could be both developmentally and economically viable.Jon Goff has a series ofvery interesting blog postson methodologies for orbital access.It is only required to marry them together.\n\nOne of the main criticisms, if not the primary criticism, of what you have been suggesting in this thread, is that this particular task is far easier said than done. Rocket development is not easy or cheap.You will have to develop anew a whole lot of components, tweak or re-qualify most if not all existing components... if it gets to the point where it presents only a minor or even negative cost saving, then it obviously doesn't make sense at all.And then to turn it into a reusable SSTO- for example, adding a TPS, landing and on-orbit hardware, as well as a cabin, is a whole other ballgame.The most important accomplishment of SpaceX may turn out to be they showed in stark terms that a privately developed spacecraft can be developed for 1\/10th the cost of government financed ones.\n\nYes, but you can assume either;1. This ~10-fold reduction is universal and applies to any launch vehicle\/spacecraft developed in this supposedly more efficient manner. This means that the cheaper solution remains cheaper regardless of whether it is developed by the government or NuSpace.2. The technology developed determines the cost of development. Arguably SpaceX has been helped in this regard by engine design, stage commonality, extensive testing and small scale experimentation (Falcon 1).In reality, it is a mix of both: a more efficient contracting structure and development culture, combined with technological decisions that reduce cost. It still puts SSTO at a disadvantage.Secondly, as mentioned in this thread a large portion of launch costs are because of operational costs due to the large labor costs as run as a government program. For the space shuttle this is literally thousands of people to run it. This has been recognized for a while. A key part of the proposal to cut launch costs for the VentureStar reusable launcher was to cut majorly this required labor force:\n\nA more technologically challenging vehicle can not only require a larger workforce (due to more work needed for turn-around) but a more highly trained workforce as well. Again something that puts SSTO at a disadvantage.Elon also believes he can cut the costs to space to the $100 to $200 per kg range by reusability. Based on his track record I'd say it's a good bet he's probably right.\n\nWhattrack record? SpaceX may have a good track record at some things, but a pretty poor (or even nonexistant) one at others.Cutting costs to space down to $200\/kg is something thatnobodyhas a track record at (certainly not at achieving such a goal, and I don't believe at attempting it either). SpaceX doesn't even have a track record at keeping its own advertised prices.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.577356288Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-06-09T14:05:45+0100", "id": "bbadf53c0ec01218ec662b70b72fdf18", "post_id": "post-220144", "text": "Nice article here arguing in favor of NASA promoting small manned commercial vehicles:Human spaceflight for less: the case for smaller launch vehicles,revisited.by Grant BoninMonday, June 6, 2011http:\/\/www.thespacereview.com\/article\/1861\/1In the comments section, I commented that the capability to producesuch small, low cost, manned vehicles exists now. I estimated the costfor a such a reusable vehicle in the range of a few tens of millionsof dollars unit cost, comparable to a medium sized business jet.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.479433472Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-10-01T11:47:24+0100", "id": "a06d05fb98a8a47b787020e35e361599", "post_id": "post-252663", "text": "Yes, I realise that, I was just pointing them both out.I might start on the Nitrogen cycle when I've lost interest in the Lox one...:)N.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.5719936Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2013-11-20T22:07:30+0000", "id": "7dc32ffc4376fd17c241755594c0de6a", "post_id": "post-220480", "text": "Urwumpe said:I doubt it will see much GTO duty. The rocket does not appear to be optimized for GTO, the performance at that stage ratio optimized for LEO should be extremely poor. It is a offering to do GTO missions with it, but not a realistic offer, since there are very few customers left building such small satellites.\n\nI think that's why they are developing Falcon Heavy to compete with Proton and Ariane 5 for geostationary orbit launches. Since they lack LH2 powered second stage they have to make up by strapping two additional first stages as boosters. That makes LEO payload capacity far in excess of what's currently needed, but at least they can also launch any satellite to geostationary orbit.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.084376576Z", "author": "MisterBurkes", "date": "2010-08-14T13:29:48+0100", "id": "150d316a6d1e3cf1dd06049b0be39c0d", "post_id": "post-219546", "text": "They can easily be mistaken for Deltagliders!\n\nHaha:DThat gave me a laugh!", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.991731712Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-22T18:24:44+0100", "id": "3254c56d1fa05388552f67f853a37c27", "post_id": "post-251868", "text": "Universe Today:Image: Curiosity\u2019s First Wheel Tracks on Mars:The rover (and her driving team) has done it! Curiosity has taken a little jaunt inside Gale Crater and here is an image of the wheel tracks to prove it! This image was taken by the right Navigation Camera on the rover Curiosity on Sol 16 (2012-08-22 15:00:53 UTC).{...}\n\nSPACE.com:Mars Rover Curiosity Takes 1st Martian Test Drive, Sees Tracks (Photos)Discover Magazine - Bad Astronomy:Curiosity rolls!RIA Novosti:NASA\u2019s Curiosity Makes First Test Drive on Mars", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.630784Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-17T12:03:43+0100", "id": "36c2ccfb2de1b789eea6b32bacf7202d", "post_id": "post-220882", "text": "Bj said:Anyway, nice grounds layout picture Urwumpe, though it looks like most of the buildings\/materials will have to be modeled.\n\nIt is not like we can download the \"Mars Base Building Blocks\" from Greg Burch already. Of course it won't be as easy as building a space station.;)Yes, that is a weakness of my plan, but because of that, we are still sitting here, discussing how to make things better. I think some modeling\/add-on development is necessary for getting things running, the question is, how much is really needed. I just want to push things really forward, instead of just sitting around here, complaining about the lack of direction in the project. You wanted to be program leader, now try to stay on top of the wave.;)Maybe as we are the first to really do this, we have thedutyto make things easier for later exoterrestrial bases.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.094318336Z", "author": "Ripley", "date": "2015-05-25T10:18:15+0100", "id": "a29235cd106513cdb439c3d25bba356d", "post_id": "post-219623", "text": "I once read, on some well-known photo webages (I don't remember exactly) that the Moon must be shot as if you were on a sunny day, because of itsverystrong light...[ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Looney_11_rule\"]Looney 11 rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame][ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sunny_16_rule\"]Sunny 16 rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]What's your equipment?", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.159849216Z", "author": "ryan", "date": "2008-05-27T02:38:03+0100", "id": "732139d3acc04015876f121557e0f3ad", "post_id": "post-69031", "text": "26th of maySally Rides birthday, my birthday also and Apollo 10 had it's splashdown carrying my favorite astronaut John Young and the weirdest call signs for a spacecraft in NASA history.", "thread_id": 1628 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.081778176Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-07-27T10:33:50+0100", "id": "575e9a9621312b87648cf3fe32b97a9f", "post_id": "post-219532", "text": "This was a pretty interesting scene, with the Moon illuminating the fast-moving clouds from behind in this 15-second exposure:", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.860396032Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-04-17T20:18:36+0100", "id": "a3b3d843c2a44d701c7c90cd388e7eba", "post_id": "post-217746", "text": "I didn't know that. I still think it would be a waste of time to do a whole other rocket when I already have one nearly completed.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.792504576Z", "author": "Ripley", "date": "2012-08-06T05:36:13+0100", "id": "3f1df61abdd0d767cd5d094f81ec3395", "post_id": "post-251504", "text": "Godspeed Curiosity!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.129536256Z", "author": "MikeB", "date": "2017-03-25T12:40:36+0000", "id": "d314947e750ff22a97b66ab9df238631", "post_id": "post-219626", "text": "I've never seen this thread before - very interesting.The photo below is not mine, but was made in 1931. The original print is in my possession and is about 34 inches wide (over 87 cm). I scanned it at 300 pixels\/inch, but downscaled it by 10x to keep it a manageable size for this post. The print shows amazing detail when magnified. They knew how to do photography in those days. The second image is a full-scale detail from the center, and shows my great-grandfather. He organized the gathering, and was a silent-film cameraman between about 1912 and 1928. He knew something about photography, too.The gathering is all men who were cowboys in the 19th century. Contact me if you want to know more about the backstory.https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/zzvn8dvc9jo5oiv\/CWT_Members_1931_10percent.png?dl=0https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/3x5y659w6b7wfgx\/Gant_1931.png?dl=0", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.882280192Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-18T00:16:18+0100", "id": "dbaea468c129531a82a40440f1302da3", "post_id": "post-217818", "text": "Hahah...I haven't dropped into this cycle quite yet (haven't had enough time with Orbiter) but I suspect I will soon. I only ended up finding Orbiter because I was in the midst of creative doldrums and was looking through introductory astrodynamics pages for inspiration (and instead was linked to this), but now that I've started writing again I've found my free time to be divided between too many things...Of course, I have my own little solar system here on my PC to explore, so I have no doubt that I will continue playing this.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.036191232Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-24T17:40:43+0000", "id": "69e4c90a6c2a7b9911c81b7ae2cc586e", "post_id": "post-252130", "text": "Proximus said:I thought there would be multiple isolated bus's running varying voltages (32V for motor drives, 5V for CPU's etc...) rather than all power coming directly from the RTG!Pulling your main power supply as low as 4V I'm surprised communications are even possible never mind \"not being in safe mode\" .\n\nWell, it only has one single RTG and some batteries to provide peak power. The power does not come directly from the RTG, but it all passes through one single power supply.The consumers of electrical power on the other hand, have three busses then, which could all fail individually.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.652072448Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-06-12T12:52:07+0100", "id": "c38f6a448ebca25ee8f6a0b4f81c95fb", "post_id": "post-221049", "text": "Izack said:That's a lot lighter than I expected. In that case the Ares I isn't necessary. For 5 tonnes of equipment, and I'm guessing the SMEV isn't any bigger than 5 tonnes itself, Than 25.4 tonnes of carrying capacity (Ares I) is more than a little overkill...\n\nWell, maybe we can design the SMEV and the sky crane from common parts, in that case, the SMEV might be able to become a bit heavier than the minimum solution, for sharing more parts. And if we don't use a skycrane (despite the advantages), such common engineering might still make things easier.For the design - any suggestions for the ISP or maybe even engine types? We could maybe agree on a library of \"standard\" engines, that we use in the project and which are the design reference.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.896438272Z", "author": "fsci123", "date": "2011-02-15T21:48:42+0000", "id": "143c9a70719b21b310e1a1fa84836935", "post_id": "post-217875", "text": "Thank god for nasa tv im watching this live.:cheers:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.642020352Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-18T08:08:04+0100", "id": "bac4bfc531972293d1b18f26c51138e1", "post_id": "post-253064", "text": "The image processing software inside the wide-field camera of Solar Probe Plus will be supplied by the University of G\u00f6ttingen (named the Lower Saxon university by the time SSP will launch).http:\/\/www.uni-goettingen.de\/de\/3240.html?cid=3649", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.550046208Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-02T16:44:45+0100", "id": "dcf6a1f05558f262b03f91a2dd0c5678", "post_id": "post-220089", "text": "According to the History of STS: First 100 Missions book, the ET had to gain weight to put the heavier LO2 in the nose for stability purposes, and that if they could've put the LO2 in the tail then it would've made for a lighter ET.Sounds to me like building a SSTO version of ET\/SSME really means building a whole new ET. And while you're at it, build a high-chamber pressure expendable engine that's cheaper than the SSME, too. SSMEs only really make sense if you're recovering them.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.9134656Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-15T23:37:23+0000", "id": "b479f176536ab9748583b813e9687d8a", "post_id": "post-217887", "text": "According to NASA via Twitter, ESA have decided to make the second launch attempt tomorrow (Wednesday) at 4:50:55 PM EST \/ 9:50:55 PM GMT.NASA TV coverage will begin at 4:15 PM EST \/ 9:15 PM GMT.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.677548288Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2008-11-04T15:43:38+0000", "id": "48392460ec35b3ddf16f805b05a98175", "post_id": "post-69134", "text": "Urwumpe said:I did not yet change this one, as long as the SSME code of GLS was still untested. Wanted to keep the chance to disable the new code if it does not yet work.Also, it works when the Shuttle is not attached to the pad.\n\nMy code is still not active...", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.608224256Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-01T22:45:59+0100", "id": "c6a91627829e61b2b8201f82d8fdf6fc", "post_id": "post-220524", "text": "Having watched the success if the OFSS with fascination, I propose that we take a giant leap. Who would be interested in doing an Orbiter Forum Mission To Mars in the same fashion as the OFSS?Here is the general proposal:1)Have all necessary modules (and crew) for the mars base on earth. A pilot rotation would then be selected to loft said modules either into orbit (to ISS or possible to the OFSS) or directly to the staging base at Brighton beach using DG class vessels (or shuttles if just to orbit, if to a station then further pilot rotations would then transport them to Brighton)2) ground crews at Brighton Beach would then transfer cargo and crew to one of two waiting Arrow class transports (which would be slightly modified to allow landing on mars as transporting all the cargo and crew to the ground via dgiv's would take up more fuel than the arrow carries spare).3) Pilots would then be selected to fly not only the arrows but also the docked dgiv's (separate pilots for each). The second arrow would be used to transport the second phase (rotating) of the base or for use as a rescue vehicle in the event of an emergency (think \"mission to mars\")4) the mars landing crew (made of interested parties) would spend 1 year on mars (earth year or martian year?) before returning to earth when replaced by crew from the second ship.As this is only a preliminary idea, the entire concept and every detail of it are open for discussion. A new era is upon us, let us begin...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.922744064Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-25T13:58:33+0000", "id": "cd5deeb18aef6ad9b7a8a406d0143a81", "post_id": "post-217933", "text": "Some ATV docking photos!:)These three are from Paolo Nespoli:Hi-res version.Hi-res version.Hi-res version.These three are from Dimitri Kondratyev:And finally, there'sthisimage from Cady Coleman (can't embed as it's a Twitpic).", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.97872128Z", "author": "Mattyv", "date": "2012-08-08T15:52:45+0100", "id": "e508adc87d3e594e94ed3390b32a51e8", "post_id": "post-251772", "text": "The landing site looks so desolate. Other than the mountains, it kind of looks like Phoenix's landing site.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.55058432Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2011-09-17T19:05:57+0100", "id": "d3b170814e998296a5be2567676ad70c", "post_id": "post-220255", "text": "Urwumpe said:If you like to be argued by authority, fine. But if you are unable to talk to me like to a sentient being and don't have better arguments than \"it is so because this professor said so\", you might already have noticed that I am not impressed at all.My personal experience with professors tells me that preparing lectures is not always very high on their schedule, and even the better ones often like to use one set of lecture compatible models done in a week over researching better models in a year.Also, if I would be professor (which I am really not, but how could you tell if I don't tell you so), would my argument then become automatically better than the argument of somebody else who is not?\n\nCome on. EVERYBODY argues by authority. If you are having a discussion on relativity and you quote Einstein's opinion on an issue that's arguing by authority.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.20856832Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-04-17T10:15:17+0100", "id": "d4991624f00e99bb981630df55e97c55", "post_id": "post-218026", "text": "I do it like that:1.) Moon orbit : Orbit Eject-> Lower Orbit2.) After leaving Moon's SOI : Course-> Planet Aproach (set PeA at about 60 km)", "thread_id": 13890 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.987970304Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-08-18T16:00:05+0100", "id": "2daa9d45eec49d1ac4682ff2593d34a2", "post_id": "post-251836", "text": "Above freezing max temperature at Curiosity landing site.In Friday's teleconference lead Curiosity scientist John Grotzinger initially gave the max temperature at the landing site as 1 degree above freezing:http:\/\/www.ustream.tv\/recorded\/24773693However, later in response to a question for clarification on that temperature at about 22 minutes into the teleconference, he gave the temperature as 276 degrees Kelvin. This is about 3 degrees C, or 37 degrees F.The temperatures are expected to go higher as we get into Spring at the landing site.Bob Clark", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.551135744Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-09-21T19:22:03+0100", "id": "3793a132d90dc65a9a8391722d2836ab", "post_id": "post-220263", "text": "RGClark said:It's coming from the idea that the the vehicle would be reusable in the range of, say, 100 times, instead of throwing it away after each use.\n\nThere is the free lunch.RGClark said:This also would require the maintenance costs to be low on each flight.\n\nAnd there is the price. There is no cheaper way to reduce maintenance costs than by throwing everything away. Producing a new vehicle is often cheaper than first evaluating the damage and then repair it.RGClark said:Recall that one of the stated goals of the DC-X and the X-33 programs was to demonstrate this idea of low maintenance and quick turnaround time for space vehicles. The DC-X program did demonstrate this within it's operability envelope, which was low altitude, rocket flight. It would have been great to see for the X-33 if this is doable with vehicles that have to undergo reentry. Perhaps the X-37B will be able to demonstrate this.\n\nAFAIR, it didn't achieve it except on the press releases. It did not do what Armadillo Aerospace also achieves on a fraction of the budget. Launch, land, lift-off again, land. And then get rolled into a hangar and get fixed.The problem with this is, that it only gives the illusion of a quick overhaul. If you would measure the important metrics on 100 flights like that, you would quickly notice that the rocket again spends much more time on the ground than in the air, and the number of people involved repairing it in that time not being much lower than during the manufacture.The only way to extend the time of the \"little maintenance needed\" mission phases is to extend the mean time between failures of the components. And this requires first of all a reduction in the peak performance. You can't go to the short-term limits, because you have now long-term limits. A seal deep inside the engine that has to be replaced after 25 minutes of operation is no longer an option.And that is why I repeat myself again and again to explain you, that a SSTO is, while possible, just a PR stunt, something for the ivory tower, but no economic spacecraft. You can build one. Sure. Just go at the short-term limits of everything. It would not be reusable, but an SSTO that can carry really existing payloads. It would burn itself out during that flight and be on the brink of explosion seconds before MECO, but it would fly.Even just reducing the short-term performance by 5% means even an expendable SSTO can't work. Let alone one that should be reused after flight and needs EDL systems.But by just allowing two stages, you are already getting so much margin for your operations, that you could put more focus on economics and quality and less on performance (old classic engineering, for your SSTO, you would be at performance and quality or performance and economics)A FFSC engine would likely have a 5% lower specific impulse as a comparable staged combustion engine. But its life time would be about 60-100 times longer, and the components in the engine not be forced to be designed for extreme conditions. There are still many problems in the technology (mixing gas generator exhaust and propellant flow, control of such a device) but it is really promising.And thus I just can repeat again: you can dedicate your life building a SSTO. But somebody doing a simple TSTO would not just be done sooner, his second or third generation TSTO would already fly circles around your SSTO because of the faster development cycles.And could maybe one day be a small first with a large second stage, that already is very close to a SSTO. Who knows what technology we will have in 20 years. But if you design an SSTO now, you can't include every new technology. you wouldn't get even to Phase B then, because of your long development cycles. A simpler TSTO could include new technology about every 5 years, similar to civilian aircraft. And still build on flight experience, that you wouldn't have.I don't see much joy in SSTOs from the system engineering point of view. They are a fun challenge for bored engineers and aerospace students to make a Phase 0 study about them, but there is no practical way to design and build one without hell freezing over.---------- Post added at 08:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:18 PM ----------T.Neo said:Even Skylon only gets down to under $200\/kg if it has a relatively high flight rate, which would not materialise without demand.\n\nand remember: The Skylon doesn't even fly yet. While the calculations and planning has been found solid and the company managed to meet their engineering milestones, it does not mean the final flight costs will really be automatically at $200\/kg.Skylon is just a first generation vehicle for Reaction engines. I will not be surprised if things turn out different to the plans today. But if they manage to build their first vehicle and fly it, I see no reason to doubt that they could also build a second vehicle with much more competitive flight costs.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.760816128Z", "author": "Arrowstar", "date": "2010-04-16T08:47:51+0100", "id": "6b53f586b7d20264dc1ee5273e333340", "post_id": "post-217678", "text": "I use it merely to obtain background information that I can use to do my own research in academically sound sources (journals and the like). I also use its sources as a spring board for internet searching, as has been mentioned above.", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.158882304Z", "author": "Zatnikitelman", "date": "2008-05-27T00:26:36+0100", "id": "269c7ca4a9f60d628faa93f5606d86b8", "post_id": "post-69026", "text": "April 3rd, 2008 ATV Docks to ISS", "thread_id": 1628 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.566882816Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2013-11-18T18:00:10+0000", "id": "3a4b1890326fbc6d7bb4a5319fee26d8", "post_id": "post-220446", "text": "Sky Captain said:If first stage can do SSTO then adding cheap and crude second stage will probably double the payload capacity and allow to launch payloads to higher orbits which SSTO could not do.\n\nWhich is exactly why a reusable TSTO is much better than an SSTO in my opinion.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.978645504Z", "author": "gattispilot", "date": "2010-04-16T19:30:25+0100", "id": "1fe238b49d4a0f3b2fa6957c022cbf5b", "post_id": "post-217965", "text": "You use a Ummu to walk up to it and press \"U\"", "thread_id": 13885 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.66702208Z", "author": "Tychonaut", "date": "2011-09-26T12:56:40+0100", "id": "c87bd2a19954dec64b8bb0192de72ce9", "post_id": "post-253128", "text": "Wishbone said:Update: got the state vectors from 2001 to 2050, but now I have to figure out how to run the MKSPK utility...EDIT: uploaded the kernel attached to the post. Haven't tried it myself yet...\n\nThanks for uploading this, Wishbone. :tiphat:I tried using this with Arrowstar's [ame=\"http:\/\/orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=5418\"]Trajectory Optimization Tool[\/ame], and got bizarre results. Computed Earth departure C3 is 36 km^2\/s^2, while the LM report gives a worst-case C3 of 4.9. I must be doing something wrong...Almost tempted to try and find an email address for one of the Plymouth Rock authors and ask how they arrived at their numbers, but if they replied it would probably be over my head.:)", "thread_id": 16349 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.638939392Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-20T03:50:56+0100", "id": "781728037ec0867f40b6984d9ef8fd5a", "post_id": "post-220935", "text": "Izack said:Speaking of that, call me an idiot but I still don't know how to put the NERVA into a scenario and have it work properly.\n\nYou can just use a scenario as an example.Code:NERVA2:Spacecraft\/Spacecraft3\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS -6522669.83 -859543.31 -315855.36\n RVEL 460.326 -596.130 -7741.924\n AROT -175.56 -3.12 -172.74\n VROT 0.00 0.07 0.00\n PRPLEVEL 0:0.955\n DOCKINFO 1:0,DT1 2:0,DT2\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n RCS 1\n CTRL_SURFACE 1\n CONFIGURATION 1\n CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0\nEND\nDT1:NERVA_Droptank\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS -6522670.99 -859534.18 -315856.33\n RVEL 460.326 -596.130 -7741.924\n AROT 4.44 3.12 172.74\n VROT 0.00 -0.07 -0.00\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:1,NERVA2\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nDT2:NERVA_Droptank\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS -6522668.65 -859552.47 -315854.78\n RVEL 460.326 -596.130 -7741.924\n AROT 4.44 3.12 -7.26\n VROT -0.00 0.07 -0.00\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n DOCKINFO 0:2,NERVA2\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nENDHere's the thing, Nerva was created with Spacecraft3, and AFAIK, SC3 doesn't let you 'spawn' vessels while playing. So, we have 2 options; remake Ares V with velcro rockets (because they support using SC3), or write custom .dll for Nerva... add it to the list.;)", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.308361728Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2011-04-17T13:06:04+0100", "id": "69f386ad2e0c8ca7acf80b4cd14fa123", "post_id": "post-218132", "text": "yes:)", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.93275264Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-07-22T19:34:46+0100", "id": "23d45eb23ebfef7665fbde6d495ec2b8", "post_id": "post-251169", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.783940608Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-04-26T09:14:17+0100", "id": "0ab96d3902f7ae62e435d723703d78c3", "post_id": "post-219317", "text": "or, if you want it very simple, you can use [nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4418\"]Lola MFD (Fixed version)[\/nomedia];)", "thread_id": 14014 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.317019648Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2010-04-17T18:58:56+0100", "id": "a85261d069ca2c1396a29b2ed4d97404", "post_id": "post-218151", "text": "Istochnikov said:Lol... no, in fact, just 5 minutes ago i was postingexactlyon this thread...:p\n\nI know, after DagoO's post was yours and then Yoda's.Why do i get a warning when i click on this (and ONLY this) thread?---------- Post added at 05:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:41 PM ----------jinglesassy said:s2.noelshack.com appears to be a image hosting site.\n\nI get that warning sign as soon as i press \"http:\/\/s2.noelshack.com\/\" also.(i typed s2.noelshack.com on Google Chrome)I do NOT mean to undermine the TMSO thread in ANY way guys, but it's the first time i see this when i click on a thread.I really hope it's nothing.", "thread_id": 13895 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.06202624Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2011-11-26T15:26:00+0000", "id": "a9e3c497d2c4ba0b97d62c0898d04afc", "post_id": "post-251264", "text": "Did anyone else see it being assembled a few months ago?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.52782976Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-05-02T20:29:41+0100", "id": "39792733c810fba8cf5546e37e4d15d1", "post_id": "post-220064", "text": "dre120v said:What about sending down Soyuz (with a few crew members)that is attached to the ISS(if it is in this scenerio) and sending up fuel with the next automated soyuz craft?\n\nSince when has there been an automated soyuz?", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.136899584Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-19T18:58:05+0100", "id": "b2517950b172b3b7d628d004530dab35", "post_id": "post-218006", "text": "Yes, that is modular. There are not different kinds of modular in engineering.\n\nLEGO is modular, and so is the ISS. Do they share technology?We are at the current time also closer to build a steam train, than building a Warp drive. That kind of backwards orientation will not solve any problem.\n\nYes, such mirrors also have the advantage of allowing adaptive optics.\n\nI never suggested that an HLV should be developed and constructed to launch a one in 100-year mirror, I was saying that such a mirror would not warrant an orbital construction facility.From where does the 100 years figure originate?Would be simpler if the number of accidents is published.\n\nIndeed.But then also include R&D and transportation costs into the equation. While you have a single launch, the costs for R&D and launch are much higher as well, usually even more than just the increase in payload mass.\n\nThere would also be associated costs for orbital assembly as well.A lot of the associated costs are dependant on the exact engineering of the system.I would say, the optimal size will, economically, always approach the typical payload masses for the geostationary satellite market.;)\n\nSure, as long as the geostationary satellite market is the most lucrative.;)", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.625195008Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-09-03T19:47:45+0100", "id": "bc2f6de4b9787029ad053b9a739c12db", "post_id": "post-253012", "text": "well nomatter where i aim i misses", "thread_id": 16340 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.678703872Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-01T23:19:41+0100", "id": "ca98c12d94675d06a07b51790501e284", "post_id": "post-221105", "text": "Bloodworth said:Are the UCGO cargo's compatible with the XR-5 or is it limited to the cargoes that come with it? If they are compatible, how do I get the thing to grapple them?\n\n[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4572\"]XR5 UCGO Cargo Platform v1.1[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14085 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.30614528Z", "author": "fsci123", "date": "2011-04-17T00:39:00+0100", "id": "1bc3da4f97c1c7dd39561fdf50945a91", "post_id": "post-218114", "text": "liber said:Why can't they just get along?\n\nBecause its the nature of sentient life to discriminate and kill...:rofl:", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.732058624Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-12-03T15:56:58+0000", "id": "eb04589558567103bd5af606ca02e1d8", "post_id": "post-251331", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Guest Post by Jason Davis: Curiosity, from a 1935 perspective:The dynamic Martian surfaceThis scan of page 268 from Astronomy shows the clearest visual data available on Mars in 1935. Top: drawings of the Martian \"canali\" by Percival Lowell (more on this later). Middle: seasonal changes on the planet's surface observed from May 10 to July 19, highlighting the alleged vegetation patches. Bottom: spectrograph comparisons of Mars and the Moon, used to make measurements of Mars' atmospheric composition.Credit: Astronomy, John Charles Duncan. Harper & Brothers Publishers, New York\/London, 1935\u200b\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.529161984Z", "author": "Marcvs101", "date": "2010-06-22T21:29:13+0100", "id": "b273be04410b2d5a7559614978c8739a", "post_id": "post-220071", "text": "I suggest you to launch a progress spacecraft to the ISS filled with fuel and with an adapter for docking with the Shuttle.Once at the ISS dock the progress to the shuttle that will undock one minute before the progress arrival so you wont waste rcs fuel for the shuttle (in this phase do not use rcs on the shuttle, let the progress do the work).After refueling, re-enter with the progress inside the shuttle cargo bay, or make them re-enter separately", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.479867136Z", "author": "SiameseCat", "date": "2010-08-03T20:46:52+0100", "id": "98efb38d2a5a87a90ddd41db27246a70", "post_id": "post-218405", "text": "I think a release soon is a good idea.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.036331264Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2013-11-24T17:56:34+0000", "id": "9ce00f210f8e9931e85b2d48ffd23b02", "post_id": "post-252132", "text": "N_Molson said:BTW a RTG is not a computer PSU, and I guess that \"normalizing\" and distributing its raw power takes several steps.\n\nOne important detail of a RTG is, that you can't turn it off. It always provides electricity, if you want it or not. If you can't store it anymore, you need to turn it into heat by directing it into so-called \"Shunts\".One big deal of problems in the MSL power supply was this tiny detail - for example, instead of having big batteries in the cruise stage, the MSL power supply managed all power demands and used the solar arrays for additional power.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.57966592Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2011-07-04T21:23:48+0100", "id": "52c47260186c694c57e8b2528a9bc53e", "post_id": "post-220169", "text": "And one more thing about SSTO with current technology.Most current engines are throtable in range 70-100%. Asuuming you're using 1 stage with one set of engines (not to carry on dead mass into orbit) you encounter more problem:During lift-off you need a big thrust to weight ratio to overcome gravity and clear the atmosphere.This high thrust gives you a problem in latest stage of boost phase. Engine - that has to work with at least 70% of it's nominal thrust, will create so much acceleration that many components (human crew included) may not survive boost phase.Let's do the numbers.As the example I'm using first stage of my ETS launch vehicle which has powerfull 1st stage(current configuration):Code:Themis LV Stage I\n\nstructural mass + engine 30 000 kg \nRP1\/LOX Isp 309 400 000 kg \n 430 000 kg total\nEngine:\n1 x RD-180: 3.83 MN at sea levelLet's add typical Soyuz spacecraft as payload: 7000kgAt full thrust rocket is incapable of launching:T\/W Ratio (lift off) = 8.76 means it can't even lift itself from a padAt full thrust at burnoutT\/W Ratio (burnout) = 103 - that's 10Gs of accelerationGiving unique fact that rd-180 is throtable down to 40% we've got ~4 Gs at burnout (maybe that's the reason I've chosen this engine) but throttling down to 4Gs increases gravity loses a lot.With 100% thrust and 7ton payload rocket has 8179 km\/s of dV (freefall) but due to fact it has to lift itself from the surface I estimate real dV at around 5km\/s with boosters that helps it lift off.Note: T\/W ratios given in [N\/kg]", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.598575872Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-21T07:05:17+0100", "id": "d6899f43d89893385933f5cc11152256", "post_id": "post-218617", "text": "The above mentioned Tsiolkovsky equation is the single most usefull formula to figure out dV. However, you'll also be interested in fuel ratio and stuff. I'd recommend, as allways, project rho:http:\/\/www.projectrho.com\/rocket\/rocket3b.htmlhttp:\/\/www.projectrho.com\/rocket\/rocket3c.htmlthese two subsequent pages deal with the subject very nicely.As for how far your systems will weight, what the hull will weight etc, you'll have to do a bit research and educated guessing for that. You just can't say \"a cubic of spaceship is about this heavy\". The weight of your systems will depend on what you need, how big you need them and the techlevel you're designing your vessel in (like, now, or a bit in the future where we might have some lighter alloys, or in ten thousand years, where you can make everything up as you'd like it)", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.478790656Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-10-01T10:51:53+0100", "id": "6e44e9260e1d8fb255b7417d0e29b148", "post_id": "post-252658", "text": "Where do you see a second valve? In only see the stop valve before HX.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.0917696Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2014-03-09T20:23:32+0000", "id": "d0f42c8faa9e653da8605c8fb4221456", "post_id": "post-219599", "text": "Unstung said:In February:\n\nLooks familiar...", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.634646272Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-21T19:38:42+0100", "id": "410766f0ea230a82285796933639585f", "post_id": "post-218680", "text": "Well, just because an MFD is available, it doesn't mean that it HAS to be used.I flew the DGIV for about 18 months before I discovered that it had a docking autopilot. And even now, I still don't use it.I could see a big use for it in something like TTM24, where the LANTIR is docking with the refueling station while the user is busy docking to the lander. Or a great video where multiple craft are docking simultaneously.", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.7652544Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-29T10:18:09+0100", "id": "d9d3b60d4771531613014bd12e9a797e", "post_id": "post-251427", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Curiosity Rover on Track for Early August LandingJuly 28, 2012Mars Science Laboratory Mission Status ReportPASADENA, Calif. -- Eight days before reaching Mars, NASA's Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft performed a flight-path adjustment scheduled more than nine months ago.The trajectory correction maneuver completed late Saturday may be the last one the mission needs before landing day, though two further opportunities remain on its schedule in case they are needed.The spacecraft is on course for delivering the mission's car-size rover, Curiosity, to a landing target beside a Martian mountain at about 10:31 p.m. PDT on Aug. 5. (1:31 a.m. on Aug. 6, EDT). After landing, the rover will spend a two-year prime mission studying whether the area has ever offered environmental conditions favorable for life.The spacecraft used two brief thruster firings totaling about 7 seconds to adjust its trajectory at about 10 p.m. PDT on July 28 (1 a.m. on July 29, EDT). This maneuver had been on the mission's schedule since before launch on Nov. 26, 2011. It altered the flight path less than any of the spacecraft's three previous trajectory correction maneuvers on the way from Earth to Mars.The Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft had been on a course in recent weeks that would have hit a point at the top of the Martian atmosphere about 13 miles (21 kilometers) east of the target entry point. On landing day, it can steer enough during its flight through the upper atmosphere to correct for missing the target entry point by a few miles and still land on the intended patch of Mars real estate. The mission's engineers and managers rated the projected 13-mile miss big enough to warrant a correction maneuver.\"The purpose of this maneuver is to move the point at which Curiosity enters the atmosphere by about 13 miles,\" said Tomas Martin-Mur of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., chief of the mission's navigation team. \"The first look at telemetry and tracking data afterwards indicates the maneuver succeeded as planned.\"The thruster firings altered the spacecraft's velocity by about one-fortieth of one mile per hour (one centimeter per second). Curiosity will enter Mars' atmosphere at a speed of about 13,200 mph (5,900 meters per second).Opportunities for two further course corrections are scheduled in the final 48 hours before landing, if needed.\"I will not be surprised if this was our last trajectory correction maneuver,\" Martin Mur said of Saturday's event. \"We will be monitoring the trajectory using the antennas of the Deep Space Network to be sure Curiosity is staying on the right path for a successful entry, descent and landing.\"Descent from the top of Mars' atmosphere to the surface will employ bold techniques enabling use of a smaller target area and heavier landed payload than were possible for any previous Mars mission. These innovations, if successful, will place a well-equipped mobile laboratory into a locale especially well-suited for its mission of discovery. The same innovations advance NASA toward capabilities needed for human missions to Mars.As of July 30, the Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft carrying the rover Curiosity will have traveled about 343 million miles (555 million kilometers) of its 352-million-mile (567-million-kilometer) flight to Mars.{...}Universe Today:Curiosity Completes Crucial Course Correction \u2013 1 Week from Mars !Florida Today:A lot hangs in the balance with tricky Mars landingSpaceflight Now:Mars Science Lab fine-tunes path for rover landingDiscovery News:Rover Curiosity Tweaks its Final Mars ApproachSPACE.com:Less Than a Week Remains Before NASA's Biggest Rover Yet Lands on MarsAviation Week:NASA Rover Closing In On Mars To Hunt For Life Clues", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.609124864Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T17:59:29+0100", "id": "3067084a19f33a7178d64e2ed70ff231", "post_id": "post-220529", "text": "I'm in, whatever you need me for I'll be glad to help.:thumbup:", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.861230848Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-04-18T19:15:17+0100", "id": "b9329895ab5a46ddb2d11e6bc9976934", "post_id": "post-217751", "text": "Good news, Voskhod was really the forgotten program of Orbiter !I agree on the fact that the \"Project R-7\" is excellent. But better is always possible ;-)", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.9287296Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2012-08-06T08:12:37+0100", "id": "c8ad8e14720fbe835a141b358dc8cb5b", "post_id": "post-251678", "text": "Linguofreak said:I could have sworn that when they were interviewing John Holdren he claimed that the US was the only country to successfully land surface probes on another planet. (Venera anyone?)\n\nExactly what I was thinking.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.626983936Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-13T03:47:08+0100", "id": "80510e77052aa27478d79baadb77e18e", "post_id": "post-220845", "text": "We could use that Hohmann (it's a verb now, btw) idea but send unmanned cargo to LMObeforewe send crew. Launch the storage modules and such over a couple trips, then send the hab modules last with the astronauts in them.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.880045568Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-16T16:19:58+0100", "id": "ef5a91b67b0f8e9de4ba6ca9a3a0d01a", "post_id": "post-217803", "text": "dougkeenan said:I don't like that idea. At all.\n\nStop talking and navigate! This ship needs to get to Brighton Beach by the end of the day!:cheers:", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.975775232Z", "author": "mojoey", "date": "2012-08-07T11:30:51+0100", "id": "b3cbeacde554e8938003723f7a8e3697", "post_id": "post-251747", "text": "SHould have put a 'How's my driving' bumper sticker.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.880642048Z", "author": "flytandem", "date": "2010-04-16T16:55:26+0100", "id": "1c24ba0191a6225982f7c472cfdc9a7e", "post_id": "post-217806", "text": "I usually check in on the forum every day or so in hopes of finding others interested in using orbiter as a exercise in planning and navigating. Seems that it's a rare breed that uses Orbiter for this use. To me, using Orbiter the way I like it is as lonely as space itself. After a while I get disillusioned with the forum and get back to a run at Orbiter and get completely consumed for a couple of days and do several fun and lengthy flights. I am happiest when orbiting, especially the anticipation of starting a long complicated flight after the final tweaks of planning are done.signed ,Lonely in San Bernardino.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.644495616Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-06-02T02:20:28+0100", "id": "0951bb6adef6dd9956d7f9538d1ac6bf", "post_id": "post-220984", "text": "Sorry for the delay guys, my sis graduates this Sat.... so we have all the extras that go with that going on this week.:eek:hthedrama:So I guess we are at working at developing the required addons to make this project work.Pablo49 said:I did basically finish the greenhouses a few days. After a few tweaks and more final textures I'll up a shot of them. Basically the same area as Urwumpe's original design. Though they are circular.\n\nThanksUrwumpe said:would just be important that we can install lights there, since even bright day on Mars is a pretty dim thing.\n\nWould lights from UCGO cargo work?Ashaman42 said:Are you coding the greenhouses to produce O2\/food or are they a static mesh?Because if you wanted me to code them to produce a Ucgo cargo like my GDI Miner\/Ore mill I would be happy to help.\n\nAbout the Greenhouse\/hab module duo might I make a suggestion, can we make the greenhouse produce O2 modules and food modules every so often then the hab module will act exactly like the UCGO ie. consume O2 and food modules (which rate is based on number of UMMUs in hab at the time). The hab will also expel trash modules which we (do what with? Bring it to orbit and deorbit it?)Anyway, these modules like the hab module, forklift, green house ext needed to get to space somehow so I decided to go like the UCGO style cargos. (as in they deploy into that vessel, but they aren't capable ofcarried by DGIV or XR2 because the 'stowed' size is to large.)So here's my work so far; (some funny images while working on module)Now I am almost done (except for a repaint to get rid of that excess black stuff) The one problem I am having is the CreateAttachment is not working right.Code:ATTACHMENTHANDLE ah3 = CreateAttachment (\n 1,\n _V(0,1.3,0),\/\/const VECTOR3 &pos,\n _V(0,1,0),\/\/const VECTOR3 &dir,\n _V(0,1,0),\/\/const VECTOR3 &rot,\n \"GS\",\/\/const char *id,\n 1);I tested everything I knew on the id, still nothing..picture shows the blinking attachment, wasn't blinking on the mesh. Though I tested it and the attachment still worked, it just doesn't blink. Why is that?Also, when I tried to attach it to the bay of a shuttle I get an error when deployed, also a black screen when I try viewing it, also;any ideas?", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.60982528Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-04T10:30:09+0100", "id": "2d6dc8ec1f2bf44b841c1a6e09dd02b0", "post_id": "post-252964", "text": "Sure, but without any math on the subject it's impossible to tell how far it would spread, really.\n\nIn this video of VASIMR engine testing it seems that exhaust spreads fairly quickly after it exits the nozzle.[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=4zSou_r-W9Q&feature=channel\"]YouTube- Record Power Level For The VASIMR VX-200i, HD[\/ame]But then again, one must ask how often the engines would break down...\n\nOn a something like 5 year mission to Kuiper belt a lot of unforseen stuff can happen so I think it would be better to have as little critical components as possible in inaccssible areas even if it comes at slight weight penality. After all if othervise 5 year mission becomes 5 years an 1 month because of added weight it's not a big deal.Just a few comments:If shadow shields are used for the reactors, everything extending outside of the shadow tends to scatter the gamma radiation, so part of it is scattered back into the shadowed area.\n\nDidn't think of that. At current layout the truss that supports radiators and part of radiators would be exposed to radiation from reactors. To solve that it would recquire to increase the length of central truss and redesign the layout of radiator panels to have them all in a shadowed area. I also don't want to move main radiators too close to cargo and crew section because there would be multiple gigawats of heat coming from them which might cause some unwanted heating.The rotating crew section looks cool, but is a complex engineering task. If the vessel does not thrust during long cruise periods, it could alternatively go into a \"tumbling pigeon\" mode, rotating head over heels, to give the crew a continous aft acceleration.\n\nThe tumbling wouldn't work because it is envisioned that this vessel would spend most of the cruise time under continous thrust so some sort of centrufuge section is recquired.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.821807872Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-28T19:29:58+0100", "id": "f22c98d470f106a548dbb1c285efc0e0", "post_id": "post-219405", "text": "The Truth is out There.", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.89019264Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-20T21:56:19+0100", "id": "b2af2c75b99f77525c80158fd91bc19f", "post_id": "post-217835", "text": "Launch has been pushed into 2011.The first Ariane 5 launch in 2011 \u2013 which will be the 200th Ariane mission \u2013 will boost into orbit the Johannes Kepler ATV (Automated Transfer Vehicle) cargo vessel on a date compatible with the docking slots for the International Space Station (ISS), to be decided by ISS partners. This date will be guaranteed no matter what the schedule is for other Ariane 5 launches, thus confirming the versatility of the European launch system.\n\nSource.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.316910336Z", "author": "polaris149Tiberius", "date": "2008-06-30T21:05:48+0100", "id": "cdce971a2d35b3326bb6f6bb23f13a0f", "post_id": "post-12904", "text": "Could you include my tutorials?Could you include my tutorials?I was wondering if you thought my tutorial is good enough to include on this list. Its listed under this thread:\"From the Earth to The Moon\" an AMSO 1.17 Apollo 11 Full Mission Tutorial Using IMFDMaybe you could take a look and see if its good enough to list under your Apollo Program tutorials.Thanks.", "thread_id": 163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.077723648Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-07-03T19:02:46+0100", "id": "6210340366d638b0aabce13c7d34ee27", "post_id": "post-219511", "text": "Nice to see your project finally shows some results. Too bad the cam died...", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.43907456Z", "author": "Chode", "date": "2010-04-18T11:58:33+0100", "id": "9cd216d066b7e7c4832ef5cdd60f6a86", "post_id": "post-218217", "text": "George Washington was the number one criminal in the colonial US while he led a war against Britain. Once independence was won, he becomes the greatest hero in the independent US. I don't think library late fees are going to change that.Regards", "thread_id": 13907 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.613633536Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-19T23:16:10+0100", "id": "e80009fd3aef968bc20804fcec08b280", "post_id": "post-252997", "text": "I managed to get two mode RCS to work more or less satisfactory. A invisible \"ghost\" vessel is docked near the centre of LDDSV and is given very strong RCS to quickly point the ship in desired attitude. LDDSV has weak RCS that you can really feel working only when at time acceleration. It has advantage that you can still use RCS when at high (1000 - 10 000) time acceleration which is useful to maintain correct attitude during long burns.---------- Post added 09-20-10 at 01:16 AM ---------- Previous post was 09-19-10 at 08:08 PM ----------I made it to Saturn in just 220 days!!!Starting the climb out of Earth gravity wellTo make ejection burn easier I established ~130 000 km high parking orbit.Approaching SaturnOrbit insertion burn finished.I spent ~90 % of my trip under thrust. Outbound leg is easy - you just set course in IMFD and maintain correct attidude while thrusting. Tricky part is to determine when to start deaccelerating so you don't overshoot or deaccelerate too early. In this part of trip IMFD map program and Orbit MFD is the most useful. Deacceleration took about 2.5 months.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.575312384Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-03-04T23:16:53+0000", "id": "76bdd452fa85f6299c2561e74bf540e7", "post_id": "post-220120", "text": "Sky Captain said:An SSTO, even expandable one would be advantegous where maximum reliability and safety is needed like manned launches and very expensive payloads.\n\nThat is pretty wrong. The relation between number of stages and reliability is currently even inversely to your claims.Of course, a single stage sounds simpler, but it isn't. even a two stage rocket would be much simpler since it can do the same performance with less highly optimized engines or stage structures (if you use size instead of engine performance)", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.599789312Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-04-25T08:53:24+0100", "id": "1c52718635bb9080909c022a900ab6df", "post_id": "post-218626", "text": "If you have got as far as converting your mesh into .msh format, you can use Shipedit (found in SDK\/utils directory) to find volume.N.", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.674005248Z", "author": "Kyle", "date": "2008-06-30T17:23:07+0100", "id": "468d753d2f6f4067a68483288f21f814", "post_id": "post-69099", "text": "Only if my Grandpa was still living, he knew all about the shuttle as seeing he worked for it.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65807616Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-02T22:31:24+0100", "id": "7c4286b0ce59927531c91777b87d7fc2", "post_id": "post-220577", "text": "I'd thought for a while now the the station building blocks could be cobbled together into something with a vauge resembleance to a Descarte. But I lack the ability to put it together.But to assemble a ship in orbit would greatly increase the mission manifest and add to the complexity of the mission. I'm interested in sticking around for the long haul, but planning all this is going to be a super-bit**.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71546112Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-18T23:07:52+0100", "id": "07d034066d33b33de49facbf77614473", "post_id": "post-217647", "text": "bpops said:Ah thanks Heilor. I did read the instructions, but I have an ATI card. So apparently ATI cards have this issue too.I disabled the non-pot limit, and got a CTD. I've attached a screenshot of the error. Here is ogla.log:\n\nHuh. Artlav had said that the non-pot limit was there to make it work (and not CTD) on ATI cards...so for you, it prevented the CTD, but didn't actually make it work.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.019308288Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-04-06T19:41:19+0100", "id": "0f3e6f5c4f5df84463414c68f8090511", "post_id": "post-252087", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Used Parachute on Mars Flaps in the WindClick on image for details\u200bThis sequence of seven images from the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter shows wind-caused changes in the parachute of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft as the chute lay on the Martian ground during months after its use in safe landing of the Curiosity rover.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Univ. of Arizona\u200bVideoFromSpace:NASA JPL - Mars Exploration Program:Used Parachute On Mars Flaps In The WindSPACE.com:Curiosity Rover Goes Solo on Mars for 1st Time TodayDiscovery News:Curiosity, Interrupted: Sun Makes Mars Go DarkCuriosity's Parachute Flaps in the Martian WindSpaceRef:Used Parachute Flaps in the Martian WindNBCNEWS.com:Parachute flaps in the Martian breezeMars Daily:Used Parachute on Mars Flaps in the WindScience Daily:Used Parachute On Mars Flaps in the Wind", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.141564672Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-04-29T06:29:34+0100", "id": "a3943306a75c39bfbcfab82f3d7d1d01", "post_id": "post-219637", "text": "AtlantisOnline said:I did that but their manuals are not complete I have reloaded them to verify that nothing went wrong during the loading part and the manuals are still not complete. I was wondering how you do it.\n\nI think I see what you mean. Dave, the version of the manuals I have from version 4.2 of the Expansion Pack have a bunch of \"[TBD]\" in them. I'm sure I've seen an earlier version of these manuals that had the full tutorials in them (I certainly remember flying them;)). I haven't checked out v4.3 yet though...", "thread_id": 14024 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.892670976Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-21T15:10:42+0000", "id": "1d544b31814545a1ccd89b7828dd1d5c", "post_id": "post-217851", "text": "Today: ATV transfered to the final assembly building.SA\u2019s Kirsten Macdonell, ATV Cargo Integration Engineer, sent us an update earlier today. She says that ATV-2 is going to be transported today from the S5B Integration and Filling Hall to the Final Assembly Building (BAF \u2013 Batiment d\u2019Assemblage Finale). Kirsten wrote:In order to do this and ensure that ATV is protected, a special shipping container is used. The container is called the CCU3 \u2013 Conteneur Charge Utile #3. This container is precisely aligned with the door of the S5B building. Then ATV is moved on a lifting device, which is a palette with air cushions underneath that allows the ATV to enter the container using alignment guides. The door of the CCU3 container is then closed and the container is then towed to the BAF. There it will spend the night, and tomorrow it will be removed from the CCU3. The CCU3 will move at a speed of 15 km\/hour when it\u2019s going straight, 8 km\/hour on bends in the road and 5 km\/hour on corners.See above link for photos.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.04349312Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2016-07-06T20:05:54+0100", "id": "8aaca296a24204059d0ec8a1ca4b14f5", "post_id": "post-252191", "text": "Curiosity Rover Enters Precautionary Safe Mode:{...}The team operating NASA's Curiosity Mars rover is taking steps to return the rover to full activity following a precautionary stand-down over the Fourth of July weekend.Curiosity is now communicating with ground controllers and is stable. The rover put itself into safe mode on July 2, ceasing most activities other than keeping itself healthy and following a prescribed sequence for resuming communications.Engineers are working to determine the cause of safe-mode entry. Preliminary information indicates an unexpected mismatch between camera software and data-processing software in the main computer. The near-term steps toward resuming full activities begin with requesting more diagnostic information from Curiosity.{...}\n\nAlso, the mission has been extended by 2 years:NASA last week approved an additional two-year extension, beginning Oct. 1, 2016, for the Mars Science Laboratory Project, which developed and operates Curiosity.\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.43167104Z", "author": "C3PO", "date": "2008-05-11T11:32:40+0100", "id": "1b068f45675222babd4b3cc878ecf519", "post_id": "post-65189", "text": "IMHO it's about as useful as ****ing for virginity.", "thread_id": 1405 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.137764352Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-20T11:31:42+0100", "id": "be49140355827d07aa8dfac6479377d0", "post_id": "post-218015", "text": "I would rather see them employed building spacecraft parts and medium launchers \"like sausages\" (RIP Sergej)\n\nI think economies of scale impede medium launchers as well, to a degree- from what I can gather a medium launcher can expect 4-5 launches per year. It's like an AK-47; they can be mass produced in several countries for retail prices on the order of hundreds of dollars, but making a single unit would be hugely prohibitive. Even making a few per year would be prohibitive, and an AK-47 is far less involved than a launch vehicle.Me, I'dliketo see 100 ton launchers going up every month, but that obviously won't happen till we have geostationary communications satellites that are the size of cities. :lol:", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.526862848Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-30T23:35:04+0100", "id": "a589e9e9fa8196ca451c9a0760cec72f", "post_id": "post-220059", "text": "Correction:garyw said:Not by much. too much delta-v\/delta-tis bad for the truss and it'll shake itself apart.\n\n", "thread_id": 14076 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.049991168Z", "author": "astrosammy", "date": "2011-11-26T13:01:48+0000", "id": "7b0969021d263647c3a15ae8627f2fe3", "post_id": "post-251243", "text": "I think yes...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.539835392Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-20T05:24:18+0100", "id": "0b2d57881e317b11bfb62188543d09e7", "post_id": "post-218490", "text": "Fizyk said:Looks plausible to me, but I have only a vague idea about what to expect. What are you modelling btw, a Schwarzschild black hole, Kerr, or something even more strange? And how are you calculating it?\n\nSchwarzschild one, as it doesn't rotate. As for the simulation - it's a raytracer, with every ray propagated along the curved space until it hits something.DarkEnergy said:Perhaps this program I found a while ago may help:\n\nNot by much, it's mostly about special relativity, and is so old it took a while to get it running.Still somewhat interesting.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.550303744Z", "author": "MikeB", "date": "2010-05-02T18:10:52+0100", "id": "93525fcf683fa06da825cf4fa11f1be4", "post_id": "post-220092", "text": "Disclaimer: I haven't studied the details. Does anyone here think that a Skylon-like SSTO spacecraft is realistically feasible? The use of air-breathing engines in the air seems like a good idea, even if the specific design of the Sabre engine doesn't work out.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.711751424Z", "author": "rucinter", "date": "2010-04-17T16:56:35+0100", "id": "7ca232fe624fff878a4b39a989727a72", "post_id": "post-217625", "text": "Works perfectly, NVIDIA 8600GT here and Windows 7, no performance issue. How do I get the 3D terrain effect shown in Hielor screenshots?", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.109138944Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-08-29T17:28:49+0100", "id": "6dbc1ec0c5798e8e0582e16f9ae9ecdd", "post_id": "post-252245", "text": "In that case you have other problems, like figuring out how to attach a pressurised section, or radiation shielding, or electrical connections for power and life support.", "thread_id": 16271 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.272927488Z", "author": "IgnoreThisBarrel", "date": "2010-08-31T07:37:54+0100", "id": "b22d77891797032fe2cd7a4e28b1507f", "post_id": "post-252433", "text": "That explains that! I just thought I had installed one-too-many modules.", "thread_id": 16295 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.573209344Z", "author": "orbitingpluto", "date": "2014-11-11T02:06:43+0000", "id": "bf49755f7c056eaa7561d604107db6dd", "post_id": "post-220491", "text": "TheMineGamer32 said:Why don't make a winged spaceplane (fully loaded and fueled) that weights the same as a Titan II first stage (without motors) and we equip it with an LR-87-11 engine? That's a possible SSTO?\n\nYou wouldn't have a SSTO afterward, and here's why:Any rocket can have it's total mass be broken down into three categories, the propulsion system, the propellent, and the everything else. For a Titan 2 first stage, the everything else is everything that isn't engine, fuel, or oxydizer: it's the tanks for the propellent, the structure to marry everything together, and importantly, the payload. The Titan 2 1st stage, in it's unmodified form, was able to orbit something in the neighborhood of a few hundred kilograms. Adding structure, like wings, increases the amount of 'everything else\" in relation to the working parts(engines and your propellent), either cutting into payload, or demanding performance increases like more propellent and\/or engines with more thrust\/efficiency.Since your example idea doesn't allow for more engine or getting heavier, my assumption is your spaceplane body reduces your performance(substituting more structure for less payload and propellent) to something suborbital, meaning your modified Titian 1st stage isn't a SSTO anymore.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.85917696Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-16T13:39:30+0100", "id": "2807100f39e6b2d41ae913245b60c218", "post_id": "post-217737", "text": "Why don't you use astronauts R-7 rockets? Then you could just concentrate on the spacecraft. Also, the Voskhod is mostly a Vostok spacecraft, maybe you would have more fun first doing this one? Need information about the cockpit of the Vostok?http:\/\/web.mit.edu\/slava\/space\/essays\/essay-ids-comparison.htmHere are also some nice first-hand documents in digital form about Vostok, which should be worth a look anyway:http:\/\/web.mit.edu\/slava\/space\/documents.htm", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.643270144Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-26T05:14:27+0100", "id": "4294485afcb5025cd2d640430f81d2aa", "post_id": "post-220970", "text": "Izack said:It sounds like this hab module is going to need to be a superhero to be able to do all this.If an XR or DG vessel or two are coming along for the ride, can't they be used for Earth entry and Mars departure? Between the two of them they should have a sufficient amount of passenger space.Speaking of that, how large is the crew? Just the number of people in the OFMM group, or are there 'NPC's?\n\nSuperhero? It would be the same concept as Apollo. CM, LM... only the LM gets a heat shield and the LM is the hab module...It doesn't need a SM mostly because the entire station can be thought of as a SM.So far SSTO ships don't exist yet. --I thought we scratched those off? :shrug:As for crew size, it would depend on the amount of O2 (and food?) we can bring along. Preferably the max allowed though.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.144063488Z", "author": "Turbinator", "date": "2010-08-30T08:30:06+0100", "id": "09905127263c36d00eb179329a34d235", "post_id": "post-252289", "text": "Magic Video Converter, I use it for all my media conversion needs.I can convert from and to; AVI, MPEG, MPEG 1, MPEG 2, MPEG 4, VCD, DVD, SVCD, RMVB, RM, WMV, MOV, DIVX, SWF, MP2, MP3, MP4 and other video formats I can't remember.http:\/\/www.magic-video-software.com\/magic_video_converter\/features.htmlAnother thing I love about it is how simple and to the point the interface is. You can just open it, select a file to convert, select what to convert it to, and click GO. And of course if you want to, you can get in to the detailed settings of each conversion.", "thread_id": 16278 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.039641088Z", "author": "Zatnikitelman", "date": "2010-04-17T22:21:09+0100", "id": "ac974cbad96bc1fd517d98205e666b40", "post_id": "post-217988", "text": "Like the DeltaIV and Atlas V...", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.6498944Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-06-11T02:37:19+0100", "id": "d55432544e79dcbf1c4fd1f9199f46d2", "post_id": "post-221029", "text": "Alexw95 said:if u guys give me some kind of idea of the lander i can make the mesh\n\nFrom the wiki page that everyone should have read by now:Orbiter Wiki said:OSHV (Orbital and Surface habitation vessel)Proposed vehicles ( pending )This module is the primary vessel where the crew will live and work during the entire mission. This module needs to be able to aerobrake and land on Mars. Support several crew for at least 2 years (with the help of service modules ext)Design options:Environmental Control and Life Support Subsystem (ECLSS)Electrical Power SubsystemPower generationPower storageLanding systemIntegrated landing systemExternal landing systemSkycraneWith inflatable heat shieldwith rigid heat shield\n\nIn other words, no concrete design has been reached yet, but there is a general overview.Remember, form follows function here. The vessel will be designed based on what it has to do. It's open to propositions, so feel free to post your ideas on the matter. Meshes will come once there is a concrete design to base them on.If we build a ship before we have its purposes ironed out, we'll end up with an Orion. In other words, an complete failure.Columbia42 said:1) If someone knows where to find the source code (and has the knowledge to edit it) for the LM from NASSP or AMSO, we could fairly easily turn that into a good mars lander. (I know it would be a somewhat large project but the lander is an important part of the mission and I for one would like to see some accurate systems simulation so that it can be flown more realistically.\n\nThe Apollo LM is nowhere near large enough to be the OSHV. Furthermore, it's built of half-century-old technology. I wouldn't mind if the finalised OSHV design drew from LM concepts or even the Altair concept, though. I remember an old von Braun concept that struck my fancy, but I can't seem to find it.---------- Post added at 10:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:58 PM ----------Bloodworth said:[...] and two; the entire vehicle would collapse under its own weight under martian gravity. The Apollo LM was an EXTREMELY fragile vessel that was only meant to be able to support its own weight under LUNAR gravity.\n\nWell, it was built on Earth and didn't collapse there.:p", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.458390784Z", "author": "Fixerger", "date": "2010-04-22T13:22:27+0100", "id": "6fcd7495ea65d4917bf27e409f268adf", "post_id": "post-218337", "text": "I've already has that addons! Thanks a lot for scenario!", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.457093376Z", "author": "gattispilot", "date": "2008-05-27T10:47:39+0100", "id": "0a795fbf0891cf81b5764575f075929c", "post_id": "post-69061", "text": "I have a mesh that I want to change the material setting on it with the press on a key.I have this: where a key is pressed and it goes to the revertlaserCode:MESHHANDLE tank = oapiLoadMeshGlobal (\"LASER2\");\n\n case OAPI_KEY_W: \/\/ fire\n {\n Revertlaser();\n return 1;\n }\n\n\n\nvoid LASER2::Revertlaser (void)\n{\nPlayVesselWave3(JohnSoundID,CANNON,NOLOOP,255); \nMATERIAL *mat = oapiMeshMaterial (tank, 1); \/\/ first you point to the material.\n mat->diffuse.a = 1; \/\/ then you change the alpha value to 0.025 on the diffuse line\n mat->diffuse.g = 0.015686;\n mat->diffuse.b = 0.694118;\n mat->diffuse.r = 0.694118;\n \n mat->ambient.a = 1; \/\/ then you change the alpha value to 0.025 on the diffuse line\n mat->ambient.g = 0.015686;\n mat->ambient.b = 0.694118;\n mat->ambient.r = 0.694118; \/\/ 0.1 on ambient alpha\n \n mat->specular.a = 1; \/\/ then you change the alpha value to 0.025 on the diffuse line\n mat->specular.g = 1;\n mat->specular.b = 1;\n mat->specular.r = 1; \/\/ 0.1 on ambient alpha \/\/etc..\n mat->emissive.a = 1;\n mat->emissive.g = 0.015686;\n mat->emissive.b = 0.694118;\n mat->emissive.r = 0.698039;\n \n \n \n \n\n}Here is from the mesh:MATERIALS 17material01treadmaterial04blacklightorangegratewheeldreddkgreypanellogologo1wheelewheelgreymaterial02laserbeamMATERIAL material01.909804 .909804 .909804 1.909804 .909804 .909804 11 1 1 1 200 0 0 1But I can not see the material change take effect", "thread_id": 1631 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.67382528Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-06-30T16:28:34+0100", "id": "52453aaa51cb93ae0fbb6ffe00305602", "post_id": "post-69097", "text": "GLS said::feedback:Currently, I'm *mentally designing* a valve class to have a more or less realistic valve operation. I'm thinking in having a basic class and them derive a bunch of vlv types. But I don't know how it's going to interface with the EPS or HYD, (or the piping, when I figure out how to make them, but that's a headache for another day!).:suicide:I was wondering what you people think, because I want to make it so that it could also be used on OMS\/RCS, etc...\n\nWell, if you can write something which can solve the hydraulic equations, you are my hero. :lol:I thought about using the math from the SSME document I have found, which would basically lead to describe the pipes, tanks & valves inside a engine similar to electrical circuits.I found out that I can indeed solve the equations of the EPS even with very complex set ups - I just need maximal 4 passes (one for each power source).I can keep you updated on the developments for the EPS in the EPS thread, but I am currently still busy with integrating your last code into Atlantis.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.45959296Z", "author": "Schimz", "date": "2010-04-24T12:54:53+0100", "id": "590372c098828f9488567478447d0982", "post_id": "post-218350", "text": "ar81 said:PackedDragon\n\nA.K.A.The 1hour addon:shifty:", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.65719936Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T21:35:06+0100", "id": "39464999cf3324c35e498e9793b8c4fb", "post_id": "post-220568", "text": "As suggestion for the vehicles:Arrow for resupply missions and small boxed cargo, via UCGO.DG-XR5 for hauling large modules and bigger payloads to Mars.I don't know if we need a special crew transport, I would personally favor the DG-XR2 as standard vehicle for that.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.815087872Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-26T13:17:58+0100", "id": "8d93c6d4c1e56d18815eb94295535fe2", "post_id": "post-219335", "text": "T.Neo said:I dare ya, invade a small African country and see what happens. :lol:\n\nNothing good, as soon as the cameras look away. Of course, today we would either strike a deal with the local boss, or buy another boss, or send some \"contractor\" to \"establish more favourable circumstances\".", "thread_id": 14015 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.438713344Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-09-02T17:34:08+0100", "id": "0c281c94e788a47cd0978902edabb45f", "post_id": "post-252551", "text": "did that actually exist? I don't remember seeing it.\n\nAh sorry... it was parsecs, not light-years.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.601119744Z", "author": "martins", "date": "2010-04-28T14:42:30+0100", "id": "eff5b4926f90d4ec00cb98d227cebdde", "post_id": "post-218635", "text": "You forgot a minus sign in your exponent (or alternatively, you have to invert your mass ratio).", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:04.88054528Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-27T01:30:57+0100", "id": "f89f4a37364c99af5f0a22c6642d4d70", "post_id": "post-219459", "text": "Probably because of structural reasons, the same reasons why practical design of buildings are usually a block with details.", "thread_id": 14020 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.5093632Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-09-01T20:34:33+0100", "id": "0ea58398b720a6157a77806d9f50ed83", "post_id": "post-252732", "text": "Graphics card is ATI XT1900, CPU is AMD Athlon dual core 2.9 ghz.I also got the context error with the first version, although this ain't an Nvidia card.second version threw out this:Code:GPU Name=BB Capture Driver\n--Initializing precomputation...\n--Done.\n--Generating on gpu...\nDone, time=25564.2 per quad\n--Generating on cpu...\nDone, time=2120217.2 per quadBUT: The GPU generation didn't work too well, it only generated a green area. CPU generated image looks ok.I'd guess the GPU failure has to do with the following message from the Shader log:Code:genprog:\nERROR: 0:87: '' : integer constant overflow \nERROR: 1 compilation errors. No code generated.\n\n\n Link failed. All shader objects have not been successfully compiled.", "thread_id": 16324 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71026816Z", "author": "n72.75", "date": "2010-04-17T01:16:00+0100", "id": "a3fe02146ec14762946e36cbcafaa192", "post_id": "post-217616", "text": "Performance report: I get a solid 3fps regardless of settings.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.557928192Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-01-05T21:16:09+0000", "id": "69703894ce4880ad1ed5787a7c2f5319", "post_id": "post-220340", "text": "actually wrong, they had already 8 launches until 1990 - makes 8 launches in 8 years.\n\nA launch a year for 8 years? If Pegasus was first launched only in 1990, what were the other vehicles being launched?Do vehicles not developed or manufactured\/integrated in-house count?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.76556544Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2012-07-30T18:12:57+0100", "id": "51766b73d0295a0469bac637be145b0c", "post_id": "post-251429", "text": "BBC 2 has a Horizon Special on this Mars mission tonight, 21:00.http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/programmes\/b01llnb2N.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.29801088Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-04-19T23:42:58+0100", "id": "b2bc96048c67f3a3741bc312114dcc23", "post_id": "post-218050", "text": "Another thing I would like to see from that movie is the Shuttle that was carried on the Venture Star. That was kinda cool.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.006983424Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-26T20:10:18+0100", "id": "e7cc85fa4e94284cc5ebfd8273942e56", "post_id": "post-251976", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.560017664Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-02-10T12:28:15+0000", "id": "53ea327d6bbc7355275bcc7942b4b67d", "post_id": "post-220365", "text": "I would like to see the trades between the cost of towing the stage back to land but keeping close to its original payload and landing back at the launch site but losing 40% of the payload. You would need a deployable cover for the engine section. The outer surface probably could be coated to not undergo too much degradation at only a short time in the water.\n\nFirstly,whosaid that the water recovered version would retain anything close to its original payload? It could be much lower, especially if you have to add mass to the first stage for it to withstand reentry, or you need to seperate earlier in order to conserve propellant for a boost-back to slow the stage down to survivable velocities before splashdown.Secondly, the F9 stages are (or were) marinised, so they have inbuilt corrosion protection (they don't need \"special coatings\"). A deployable engine cover is another matter.Ifit keeps water out, it still adds mass, adds something that can fail, has to be integrated into the aerodynamics of the vehicle at launch, etc.It is just better to avoid dunking your stage in seawater... if youcan, that is.It is ironic that the hardest part is recovering the first stage instead of the orbital upper stage.\n\nNonsense. The upper stage is flying faster, hence it is more difficult to recover.Also interesting is that the payload becomes reduced to about what you can get with an SSTO Falcon 9 first stage using Merlin 1D's with altitude compensation. This would also be cheaper in not having the upper stage and you would not have the problem of returning to the launch base for a lower stage.\n\nRGClark's fictional F9 first stage SSTO, with RGClark's fictional altitude-compensating Merlin engines. Both existing as nothing more than mathematical quirks, with no engineering behind them...", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.357217024Z", "author": "Piet Barber", "date": "2008-05-10T13:31:45+0100", "id": "b5f6d08aa699ae4c0a9b74142661ab4d", "post_id": "post-65106", "text": "jedidia said:you could use the Universal-Cargo-Deck-Carrier for the XR5 (I currently seem unable to access Orbithangar, so I can't post a link...),\n\nYes, I already have done that. It's just not the same for me. The cargo bay computer on board says those slots are empty.Hey I see you are in Switzerland. I live just outside Bern, and I commute to Fribourg every weekday.", "thread_id": 1390 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.61772672Z", "author": "HR_Oso", "date": "2010-05-09T19:44:35+0100", "id": "ab9682859f9d7870864033414d83ee67", "post_id": "post-220765", "text": "Yes, 2 shuttle tanks, a wing-reshaped shuttle acting as unmanned cargo lander-shelter, a modified dragon capsule as crew landing-ascent vehicle,another shuttle as earth return and aerobraking vehicle, and a couple of spare PMAs and a ISS node. This is the earth departure configuration.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.070958336Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-08-29T02:20:52+0100", "id": "b7162ee56b57fa4416a06e3f0c18352b", "post_id": "post-252223", "text": "I think it was just At Ease because my SM wanted to take a few pictures before we had to leave to the barracks to get put in our platoons.---------- Post added at 08:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:16 PM ----------Andy44 said:Cool, the second and fifth ones qualify as \"cool\" photography, I think.\n\nThe second one is Dallas and the fifth is in Paris. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16266 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.508919296Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-26T22:36:57+0100", "id": "bc348abcf8e37a922170ef689ed1cdb8", "post_id": "post-218440", "text": "I would like to take this opportunity to provide you with a massive and heartfeltUGH.There goes my last chance to see a shuttle launch (going to be in Florida over unrevised launch date.)Words alone cannot express my disappointment. Hey Obama, if you un-cancel Constellation I'll feel better!", "thread_id": 13922 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.163223552Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-04-28T19:01:23+0100", "id": "4d20624c0b5cd52d9025300809eb012c", "post_id": "post-219669", "text": "Progress M-05M\/37P has launched.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.109767936Z", "author": "orbitingpluto", "date": "2010-08-30T11:03:59+0100", "id": "637665ea4798b869273f63ed4b7db36d", "post_id": "post-252248", "text": "Jarvit\u00e4 said:Yes, but this is an unmanned, unpressurised freighter ship being converted into an emergency escape vessel.\n\nT.Neo said:In that case you have other problems, like figuring out how to attach a pressurised section, or radiation shielding, or electrical connections for power and life support.\n\nJarvit\u00e4 said:In that case it's a pressurised cargo ship. Just stick to the damn assumptions :lol:\n\nI think this would be easier if the framing was a little better. Since I enjoy this stuff I'm taking a liberty of doing just that.Disaster! A accident during a exploratory mission results in the expedition's mother ship being unable to do anything or go anywhere. They can take refuge in the expedition's auxiliary vessel(lets name it 'O-F Dropship' so to make it easy to reference), which has a pressurized hemisphere-type habitat about 12 meters in circumference, a inhabitable volume of 520 cubic meters, and (due to delta v) they can only take 15 tons of crew and supplies back. Travel time is 1-2 months. There is no way you can run out of crew members or supplies with which to place in the O-F Dropship, but you are limited by the pressurized volume and the weight limit of 15 tons, not to mention you can't hang about for rescue.(Note: I made it a voyage because then the mass limit makes more sense, and a auxiliary craft for a expedition as the thing to be inhabited because I think that those things would have been designed for these 'over maximum specification' scenarios. I hope I didn't go beyond what Jarvita was thinking with this.) Here's to the hope some genius will take this bait and answer your question:cheers:", "thread_id": 16271 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.6750784Z", "author": "Bendarr", "date": "2010-04-21T18:42:39+0100", "id": "639f149f6f895dfd332e8941a501273a", "post_id": "post-218730", "text": "I get an internal error (500) on the Deimos files. I myself grabbed the L10 Earth L10, Mars and Phobos files.", "thread_id": 13950 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.441968384Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-03T06:55:08+0100", "id": "d7eac604d12cef110218abd8b115fccd", "post_id": "post-219835", "text": "Zachstar said:That is not the P55 H55 mobos that that older socket that costs a fortune more than p55 mobos. Yes it did have crossfire and SLI but that was before the switch.\n\nUh, what?The i7 only runs on the X58...", "thread_id": 14054 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.43424768Z", "author": "martins", "date": "2010-09-01T00:57:27+0100", "id": "1cde711dc9a8557f53360f02e781564f", "post_id": "post-252516", "text": "Before I forget, here is an important note for developers:If your addon vessel DLL contains a vessel class derived from VESSEL3,you must recompile against the new Orbiter100830 SDK. This is because the VESSEL3 interface has been updated. Addons which contain VESSEL3-derived objects compiled against the 100606 SDK are not compatible with Orbiter 100830. No code changes should be required, only a recompile.Since VESSEL3 has only been introduced in Orbiter2010, any addons using this new interface are hopefully still in active development, so the inconvenience should be minimal, I hope. The alternative would have been to introduce yet another VESSEL4 class, but I am trying to contain the proliferation of new vessel classes at least during the patch development.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.529895168Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-04-19T19:44:32+0100", "id": "4530d45e5a8faa776434683fdcb342b4", "post_id": "post-218454", "text": "Notebook said:Thats quite a track crew, the admin must be amazing!Do they use the same piece of rail each time?\n\n:rofl:I am trying to imagine what it must be like...", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.549659392Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-02T09:11:34+0100", "id": "edbabc02b6bdc17d23c089fc73014233", "post_id": "post-220084", "text": "Add a massive thrust structure at the bottom, to transport the thrust forces to the tank structure (engines don't work well floating in the air). Add hydraulic system for gimballing the engines. Add guidance system, which is a small mass, but needed.What you want to do is basically a low-performance version of the Advanced Launch System, which NASA studied in the early 1990s.http:\/\/ntrs.nasa.gov\/archive\/nasa\/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov\/19910018894_1991018894.pdf", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.794485504Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T05:58:54+0100", "id": "4901312e0144e4cb064a5e7a0430bf03", "post_id": "post-251518", "text": "Subsystem check in progress. Proceeding on schedule.All operational!---------- Post added at 11:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:58 PM ----------Andy44 said:All I'm seeing is video of the control room.\n\nview the public stream, you are seeing the media stream.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.540499968Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-20T20:25:55+0100", "id": "1fec09ec581dc79dde9e3a98442331f7", "post_id": "post-218499", "text": "It would be very interesting, if difficult to do. Not only would the image file have to have the data in most or all of the electromagnetic spectrum, that data would have to be collected and converted to visible light.Actually seeing infrared, blueshifted to visible light, would be very interesting. For minor humorous effect, a kitty in IR:It probably wouldn't look too much like that, most visuals outside of the visual spectrum are \"false colour\". For example, UVA would look reddish while far UV rays would be bluer if the light were to be redshifted. Most images in UV only show intensity.And what about X-rays? Conventional \"X-ray\" images are AFAIK the x-rays passingthroughan object from an emitter to a reciever. Would humans reflect X-rays at all? Or gamma rays? Would be be invisible in that spectrum, gamma rays passing through most matter?Would it be possible to see the microwave background radiation? Or radio waves from an emitter?", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.093012224Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2015-01-07T19:01:45+0000", "id": "7e7e827b6e4fbfcc76dc98488c8a9c25", "post_id": "post-219610", "text": "I thought it was a pretty cool image of dissipating fog patches from above, taken with my iPad of all things, at 07:00 this morning, location 15 miles NW of Bogota. A sort of a meteorology book illustration!", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.922631936Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2012-08-06T06:51:35+0100", "id": "d215d2ec86be009eae2cbbac47bf9d2c", "post_id": "post-251638", "text": "Forget the landing, hearing a NASA tech yell \"HOLY ****\" made staying up to watch this 100% worth it.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.763640576Z", "author": "doggie015", "date": "2010-04-20T00:04:16+0100", "id": "c61fc294830ee0e3411fefe7fc047b6f", "post_id": "post-217694", "text": "doggie015 said:http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/story\/0,2933,257340,00.htmlEnough said...\n\nIt seems I chose the wrong news agency...How about the telegraph?http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/1544737\/Fake-Wikipedia-prof-altered-20000-entries.htmlor wikipedia itself:http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Essjay_controversyI could try and find a more unbiased source but the Chaser's war on everything politely refused, something about being off the air", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.313801472Z", "author": "The Aviator", "date": "2010-04-27T23:24:03+0100", "id": "d6283f6ddd51fc513e9c892a6d222a28", "post_id": "post-219762", "text": "dbeachy1 said:Have you verified that your video mode is set to \"Direct3D T&L HAL\"? Also, please make sure you're using the latest NVidia driver for your card: you can checkhere.\n\nYes, video mode is set to Direct3D T&L HAL. About the latest drivers: this card is OEM, so I had to search the drivers from the asus support site. There I've found all the drivers for my laptop. I've downloaded and installed the \"VGA\" ones, but I see other nVidia drivers under the voice \"chipset\". I'm downloading them, but I think the right ones were the VGA.Checked the other topic: seems that the \"Windows 7 64 bit - nVidia GPU\" coupling is not so happy as it could appear at a first glance... at least for Orbiter.", "thread_id": 14038 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.022572288Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2011-11-04T18:45:07+0000", "id": "ff2a040ebd362beb27a983a3fc813cfb", "post_id": "post-251210", "text": "That is some awesome artwork!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.860780288Z", "author": "mc_", "date": "2010-04-18T07:59:05+0100", "id": "ce7c8b7c1f7886210fb117bc8c9096b2", "post_id": "post-217749", "text": "igel said:there is currently yet another Vostok addon under development, by me and Thorton.\n\nVostok is the spacecraft, whichmust bein Orbiter.:probe:will approve.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.583121408Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-08-07T21:34:50+0100", "id": "704fde00b227cf67ab057f99e09877c4", "post_id": "post-220209", "text": "Well, it is the extreme, isn't it? A platinum coated titanium bullet with diamond heat shield tiles would sure also be possible, but for what?\n\nSounds silly to me. :uhh:Experience and skills together are extremely rare and extremely valuable. And they define their price.Also, you have to look at the physical aspects there: The more performance you want, the less tolerances for errors you get. Performance is not just brute force alone, but also effectivity. The more effective your spacecraft should get, the more effective have its parts to get. The whole is maybe more than just the sum of all parts, but still you can't use junk parts alone with only junk skills of your engineers.The math is pretty simple there: The less chamber pressure you have available, the less effective your rocket will be because the exhaust has less energy per kg. At the same time, a higher pressure means a lighter rocket engine for the same thrust. without pumps, you can't get very high chamber pressures, you are limited by the tank pressure and the structural mass.For anything worth talking as SSTO or TSTO, you will need pumps, simply because the limitations of pressure-fed will be ugly. for pumps, you have the same downsizing: the higher your rotor speed, the smaller and lighter a pump can get for the same pressure change and mass flow. Also, for turbo-pumps, a higher rotor speed means the turbine can run faster and be more effective.\n\nWell... yes. I'm not arguing with you there. But I mean, what if you tried to build a modern car engine 70 years ago? It would also be far more expensive than building a (perhaps) less demanding engine. And it would probably be more expensive than building a similar engine today.My point is, I guess, that while the problems never go away, collective technological knowledge, over time, makes it easier to cope with them.Now the annoying part starts as well: For a TSTO, you can compensate a performance drop of your second stage by making the first stage better (or the other way around). But there are limits. A SSTO has no such option, it can only try finding a better planet to launch from.\n\nBut re-engineering the first or second stage doesn't help if it defeats the purpose. If your second stage drops 200 m\/s of exhaust velocity so you can instead have cheaper pumps and you want a better first stage, then you would have to increase your performance and thus cost there.At least it's better juggling those two parts seperately than it is juggling one part at once. It's a pain.But still, which is ideal? Go for as much performance as possible and get higher costs? Or have a poorly-performing cheaper vehicle?If I bring my super-ugly, pressure-fed, steel-walled spacecraft onto the scene, that is just as reliable as the Delta IV but has half the price per kilogram, shouldn't it be adopted by any sane customer, over the Delta?Thus, a first stage, that could for example haul a single low-performance second stage into its launch window, could also maybe carry two higher-performance vehicles with the same payload each. Or you could grow an existing first stage for something obsolete and low-performing into something that can launch two modern second stages. or shrink to become more effective itself.\n\nYes, but you can't just build things like LEGO. Well, you can... but you could have problems.That said, if you want to do something different with your SSTO, you would just have to build a new type of SSTO... just like how people build new types of aircraft. Sure, you don't have the same sort of 'growth options' that you might have with another vehicle, but if cost and reliability are acceptable- and better than the competition- why bother?Though there is of course another path. Strapping a second stage to your SSTO, turning it into a TSTO, and greatly increasing performance. What's wrong withthat?", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.437752832Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-09-01T16:47:58+0100", "id": "8a4f0eb9eb93124270400fb93e7b2cb4", "post_id": "post-252542", "text": "This is absolutely awesome... the implementation of lights is sure to be useful and finally makes turning on the engines at night look right, and the sky background looks perfect at a value of 0.1... and the IR background is quite amusing as a stand-in for the sky of the end times. :lol:One thing I don't like is the new transition between gigameters and astronomical units... it happens at somewhere like 6.7 AU, and removes any sense of familiarity towards using AUs for me. IMO it would just make sense to switch to terameters and dump AUs altogether, although personally I would prefer being able to use AUs at closer distances. Is there\/could there be a way to change the figure transitions in a .cfg file?And... the lighyear figure seems to have been abolished. :hmm:", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.866002176Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2011-04-01T22:58:03+0100", "id": "7fdadd95048c73ef6016308f37128b30", "post_id": "post-217781", "text": "Although I will need a spacesuit mesh at some point I'm only focusing on the Cosmos 47 spacecraft at the moment and once I figure out how to port it to O2010 I will continue in the series of spacecraft.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.641248256Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-09-03T22:06:44+0100", "id": "ec16ae34261d4b018bfcee9ff909c227", "post_id": "post-253058", "text": "Yes but weren't all of those orbiters viewing from atleast mercury distance?", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.882055168Z", "author": "Goth", "date": "2010-04-17T22:59:49+0100", "id": "3ba4d15fdc05e49531ea445df3c7630d", "post_id": "post-217817", "text": "There are so many things you can do in Orbiter that sometimes you simply don't know what to choose.So you start thinking, you surf forums, orbit hangar mods, then you start planning about making an add-on, and hours passes; this way you still hadn't played Orbiter. :huh:I guess this is my current problem with it.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.614136832Z", "author": "cymrych", "date": "2010-05-07T05:43:54+0100", "id": "08c787f02f50305cfbca0f4159734007", "post_id": "post-220732", "text": "Wow, I loose internet for a week, and someone goes and does something really nifty and Wham!: Project Prometheus is born.Count me in! I can pilot any of the surface-orbit or lander missions we might need, and more than likely that semi-ungainly looking Stack! (Assuming that is if for some strange reason you find yourself short of volunteers for the transfer legs, lol)Just a quick thought on rotating craft for artificial gravity: is it realy necessary? Astronauts regularly arrive on earth after 6 month stints on the ISS, and they are by no means wheel-chair bound. A \"barbecue roll\" might be good to build into the transfer legs to help control solar heating\/vacuum cooling stresses on the spacecraft however.Another thought: Assuming that some of the initial construction-phase missions will be of the automated unmanned launch-to-rendezvous variety which an actual orbinaut will nevertheless fly, is there anything specifically precluding us from sending some of the lighter cargo to Mars via DG or XR series craft with us pilots simulating an autopilot? Considering that in any close-conjunction year for Mars, we get good launch windows of 7 days to near a month, you could launch cargo flights on successive days prior to a manned mission on the Stack. Very careful ejection burns can even let you control where and when the craft arrive at Mars in relation to each other (with a pretty sizeable margin of error lol). Of course, use of such a single stage to Mars craft may be seen as a tad too futuristic, even with a flight time in the early 22nd century.", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.629614848Z", "author": "dougkeenan", "date": "2010-05-15T14:45:25+0100", "id": "213e99f46b231377d616617af33a0985", "post_id": "post-220870", "text": "", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.728467712Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2011-11-27T14:35:01+0000", "id": "02859ee18bf3bcd0400f5fc67b109283", "post_id": "post-251305", "text": "I mean, just making this all work is a huge effort, without the potential failure factors.It took me over a year to make a quadrotor fly mostly straight for a dozen seconds, while they have a much more unstable thing flying a precise profile in an unknown environment completely unsupervised.Respect.People who made this landing work definitely deserve a lot of respect.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.196402176Z", "author": "Piet Barber", "date": "2008-05-10T10:29:49+0100", "id": "da38828cf64e4fc6747acf365b94a515", "post_id": "post-65096", "text": "I have tried just about everything with Space Station Building Blocks. No matter what I try, I can not get the scenarios to load. The version i have is space station building blocks version 4.1b; i downloaded it again from orbiter hangar again just in case.1) Using Generic Mode Enabler -- which is a really great program!2) Installed Big Space Plane 4.0 and Space Plane 2.03) I have Vinka's spacecraft.dllSymptoms: When loading the scenarios:Loading the scenario with the big space plane and space plane 2.0, I get this at the end of my orbiter.log file:Code:Module Neptune.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391\/2024\nModule Triton.dll [API v.060425]\nFinished initialising world\nModule Spacecraft3.dll [API v.060425]\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.mshWhen I load the regular scenario without the spaceplanes, I get this error in my orbiter.log.Code:Module Triton.dll [API v.060425]\nFinished initialising world\nModule Spacecraft3.dll [API v.060425]\n**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.msh", "thread_id": 1389 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.083076352Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-08-13T01:18:51+0100", "id": "77eb2e157ade982d3eff0ac1e8813307", "post_id": "post-219540", "text": "Andy44 said:Shooting out of jetliner windows is always tough.\n\nYou can still take pictures of the sky from inside a plane? Surprising. I thought that as soon as the camera comes out, the crew and other passengers would scream \"ZOMG! ATERR-OW-RIST! He's planning to BLOW UP THE CLOUDS!\" and then they would shoot antitank rocket launchers all around to the cry of \"SAVE TEH CHILDREN!\".", "thread_id": 14022 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.995122688Z", "author": "Quick_Nick", "date": "2012-08-24T21:50:58+0100", "id": "a71db273e7d70116fd1d6ec8d2d4f099", "post_id": "post-251891", "text": "icedown said:One thing that has always surprised me about images from mars is that they don't look as alien(For lack of a better word) as I thought they might. I guess I expected different colors or formations. But then again, without all the geological processes that require water, it would be kind of limited on what it could look like.\n\nIt got a lot less alien when I diabled f.lux :lol:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.47855232Z", "author": "SiameseCat", "date": "2010-07-08T20:14:46+0100", "id": "19746e07257aed86cd815027da7ffecc", "post_id": "post-218391", "text": "That's probably the DAP; what mode are you in?", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.17022464Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2010-10-30T10:00:39+0100", "id": "7674e66751298269cbb23a8dc5ef27a3", "post_id": "post-219699", "text": "Is it IR or visual?---------- Post added at 09:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:47 AM ----------Okay, looked up Novosti Kosmonavtiki:), at least there's a laser on the ground somewhere.", "thread_id": 14029 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.048379136Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2011-11-23T16:03:37+0000", "id": "c08dbeddf6a944f45a74bc906203025e", "post_id": "post-251228", "text": "hahah love that utilitarian brushed metal look of the rocket", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.554279936Z", "author": "Dambuster", "date": "2010-04-21T04:14:43+0100", "id": "1b419275466cb6135491b2eb2a37870a", "post_id": "post-218561", "text": "flytandem said:As a kid I realized I was a worrier. Yes, stress is what you make of it. But even knowing that, it's hard to just say, \"OK I won't worry about it\".\n\nSame here, recently I've been 'working' on that, with surprising success:p.It's not easy to force yourself to be less stressed about things, but if you can, it's definitely worth it. How, I'm not so sure - probably different for everyone.", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.416073472Z", "author": "BrianJ", "date": "2010-09-03T00:37:30+0100", "id": "e7245aa60618550b57e3ff3da43b7a85", "post_id": "post-252467", "text": "Updated version for Orbiter2010-P1 now on OrbitHangar.", "thread_id": 16301 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.674629632Z", "author": "2552", "date": "2010-05-01T22:50:29+0100", "id": "025cbef4acb6e454a08c6224a8f25d51", "post_id": "post-221097", "text": "http:\/\/www.ulalaunch.com\/site\/docs\/product_cards\/guides\/AtlasVUsersGuide2010.pdf, page 3518.2.3 Heavy-Lift EvolutionDevelopment of the 5-m diameter evolved upper stage and 5-m diameter booster lay the foundation for further Atlas evolution to support potential growing customer performance requirements. As shown in Figure 8.2.3-1, combinations of these enhanced wide body booster cores with the evolved upper stage can produce a set of affordable heavy-lift solutions that deliver over 100 mT to LEO. Depending on customer requirements, one can either cluster five wide-body boosters to deliver 107 mT to LEO or, if even more performance is required, four wide body boosters can be clustered around an 8.4-m diameter core to deliver 140 mT to LEO. Both of these booster combinations are paired with the evolved upper stage and a new 8.4-m (27.6-ft) payload fairing.The 5-m diameter booster tank is derived from Delta IV\u2019s existing 5-m tank and is powered by a pair of RD-180 engines. The 8.4-m diameter core is derived from the Space Shuttle\u2019s external tank and powered by five RD-180 engines. Both the 5-m and 8.4-m diameter booster cores can fly either as a single core, with strap on Aerojet SRBs (1 to 6), or as multi-core combinations with the use of either two or four 5-m, wide-body liquid rocket boosters (LRBs). The single core configurations provide ideal, highly reliable launch vehicles capable of supporting launch of large crew capsules. These super-heavy Atlas derivatives allow Atlas to support a broad payload range (9mT to 140 mT to LEO) with a common vehicle family.\n\n", "thread_id": 14084 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.600388096Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-27T21:49:54+0100", "id": "78bb3cd8ee1281b65b2f7f2cf0bea354", "post_id": "post-218629", "text": "ISP in proper units: Ns\/kgM1\/M0 = e^(-dv\/isp) = e^(-30000\/40000)M1 = 0.472366 * M0for electrical propulsion.For chemical hydrolox:M1 = 0.0012726 * M0", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.561105664Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2012-06-02T23:27:23+0100", "id": "61d53c890cf3b452f1c8639b321c5a5d", "post_id": "post-220380", "text": "If you want space technology to mature, you will have to refuel in space sometime. Best to bite the bullet and make the effort to develop the technology rather than live in fear of the effort and never have the advantage of the final product.Also: it is entirely possible to create a fully reusable, robust cislunar (for example) architecture using a TSTO and a dedicated in-space transportation unit or tug. Such a tug could be a modified second stage- it would have none of the superfluous hardware that a Moon-landing SSTO would have to possess and would be far less technologically demanding while being far more practical.", "thread_id": 14079 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.004845824Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-10-05T10:12:04+0100", "id": "0046f7e941d4f59ad4ae7ff9b361ce77", "post_id": "post-251950", "text": "I wonder why the MSL team did not spent more time at that ancient stream bed? \"Hottah\"They just take some amazing photos and that is it.In my perspective, the gravels in the conglomerates they found, is very important to study extensively.To my knowledge they did not even used the chemcam laser to study the elements in that outcrop.Another issue that bother me is the \"link\" discovery.If I understand correctly, they already photographed the link outcrop with the 100-millimeter Mast Camera on Sept. 2, 2012, which was the 27th sol, or Martian day of operations.But they announced it much later on sol 39.Anyway, it looks like MSL is in for extensive science in Gale crater.I try to imagine what it looked like when that water steam flowed on Mars some time ago.It is hard to believe that that site is dead and arid as showed in the images.Is it possible for fossils (if present on Mars at all) to be preserved in that conglomerate sedimentary like here on Earth?(I apologize for my crude English)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.86502272Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-06-17T00:41:49+0100", "id": "3dd02825e9a1217ffbe6279474857579", "post_id": "post-217769", "text": "Albatros said:I can pixel and programm in PASCAL, but don't knew anything about a mesh. Why don't you use a vostok mesh? It's the same spacecraft outside. Inside ok. The extraction seat was kicked out and instead three men crammed in for political reason (superiosity of the east over the west in order of Nikita Khrushchev\/Chruschtschow\/Crustshov).Is there anybody how knew the correct writing and\/or spelling of this last name in english?\n\nBy EVA mesh I mean a mesh of the cosmonaut in a spacesuit. I already have the meshes for the ship done. All I need is the cosmonaut\/spacesuit mesh and Vostok doesn't have one of those. Only a cosmonaut\/flightsuit.I believe the correct spelling is Khruschev, though I could be wrong.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.629742592Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-15T14:53:52+0100", "id": "750381e3461b6a3410874a5106991edf", "post_id": "post-220871", "text": "dougkeenan: Ok, you got me. My spelling correction has no clue about furniture. :lol: Didn't know that \"mahagoni\" is written \"mahogany\" in English.But \"Do you know where you're going to?\" is really a valid question for the thread...", "thread_id": 14083 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.107933696Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-08-29T14:27:09+0100", "id": "2071fb43919bb2059f2b8d9090ca1e30", "post_id": "post-252239", "text": "Let's assume a hypothetical spacecraft with a habitable volume of 520 cubic metres, in the shape of a hemisphere (with a radius of slightly more than 6 metres). The maximal allowed mass for the crew and all their food and oxygen is 15 tonnes. How many humans and their food supply would fit, if we assume the maximal time spent in there would be on the order of 1-2 months?", "thread_id": 16271 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.136987392Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-19T19:07:41+0100", "id": "a5a64de574021c073ab0c0d0a8c2aceb", "post_id": "post-218007", "text": "T.Neo said:From where does the 100 years figure originate?\n\nI could also have used the saying \"Once in a blue moon\" and you would have asked me which definition of the blue moon I mean. Please relax and don't try to produce a flame-war.Also the costs for on-orbit assembly will sure exist... but you can never tell exactly how high they are, before you try it. The pure assembly costs of the ISS had been pretty harmless so far, compared to developing an 400 ton HLV. And these costs would have to include EVAs.Also docking is no longer the dangerous unknown technology, that it was in 1965. Today we already have reliable unmanned docking, as well as EVA tools that had been unthinkable in 1965.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.923120896Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-05-06T00:33:24+0100", "id": "651c3728291dc7665762cd28c7f3687e", "post_id": "post-221287", "text": "Ok, With Vista Boost, the text is betterF2 now works, I don't know if the other F keys are not working or not showing upAll the textures seem to be missingThe MFDs in the HUD only mode are broken, no black background and no bottom green lineEdit: Found where the function fey menus are coming up, small error there no buttons are on the outline (Close, Help etc)Edit 2: The Texture problem seems to of fixed itself", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.614423296Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-26T22:20:54+0100", "id": "eb8b3cfa4ee66a77ace2ba870eadae44", "post_id": "post-253003", "text": "Izack said:That thing islarge! It looks like something Doctor Robotnik would need. :lol:\n\nHehe, It can launch payload about twice as heavy as Nexus max LEO payload. Such large payload capacity is needed to launch LDDSV's nuclear reactors which are 2100 t apiece and LH2 propellant. I suppose it would be possible to break reaktors down into smaller parts launchable on Nova class rocket but then it would be ~20 flights alone just to put reactors in orbit and around 70 flights to launch all other hardwere and propellant which would make construction mission difficult to manage in Orbiter.", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.475977472Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-04-27T01:51:15+0100", "id": "1c9abac366d7b230c4592ee2c0dccd87", "post_id": "post-218366", "text": "The next thing I have is when I open a senerio like Atlanitis Cockpit and use the RCS thrusters it moves but when I release the key the oppisate thrusters fire and stop the movement. I checked and it was not in killrot. Any suggestions?", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.924977664Z", "author": "Fixerger", "date": "2010-05-08T20:21:30+0100", "id": "3b525930b3c90fec0961ec8da823798f", "post_id": "post-221311", "text": "I dont have a problem with empty space near buttons.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.6777472Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2008-11-04T16:52:11+0000", "id": "abdaf082cb093ceeeec2675ffb2bf257", "post_id": "post-69136", "text": "OK, SSME code is enabled now and should be called, though it might interfere with the normal launch behavior.I think I will move the MPS SOP on top of the list of software to be implemented in the GPC, so we can quickly have control over the SSMEs.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.785547776Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-20T21:58:21+0100", "id": "489a19e939e621e591a4202e426d75a0", "post_id": "post-217700", "text": "weirdguy said:Anybody have some good ideas for a deckplan layout of any kind? I've gone so far as to copy down some floorplans of Winnebago motor homes and such, but I'm open to suggestions.\n\nCheck this outhttp:\/\/www.projectrho.com\/rocket\/index.htmlYou will find plenty of ideas and examples on that awesome site.", "thread_id": 13874 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.136236288Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-10T19:34:33+0100", "id": "377a8ff028c605c1cdf8c37f54b81be9", "post_id": "post-221410", "text": "Excellent! 18:30 onward that clip.N.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.463880704Z", "author": "Jaakko", "date": "2010-09-01T03:11:03+0100", "id": "07bbc5b4bdf7cbb04f78b1c4050dc466", "post_id": "post-252614", "text": "Thanks for the advice.", "thread_id": 16313 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.137582336Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-20T00:28:37+0100", "id": "8af910fefd88c542f7f64e1f130a14c1", "post_id": "post-218013", "text": "Urwumpe said:I would rather see them employed building spacecraft parts and medium launchers \"like sausages\"...\n\nSame here; plus you get a better bang for the buck due to an increased launch schedule.Regarding construction in LEO, I think something resembling a Descarte could be built \"on orbit\" with little difficulty considering what we've already done on the ISS. You'd mentioned automated docking, the Russians have got that tech in the bag, ESA's done it too.The engineers would have a field day with a project like that, don't you think?", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.194355968Z", "author": "loyalj", "date": "2010-05-07T13:19:53+0100", "id": "8b93977a7b1c9947e69f569a08ecff19", "post_id": "post-221501", "text": "n122vu said:Unfortunately it was time to leave for work and I have not had time since to try and play any actual missions. I will have the opportunity tonight and if all goes well will probably be glued to my computer until morning.\n\nI am racing the clock as we type. T-1:19:07 and counting.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.476723968Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-09-01T10:19:11+0100", "id": "fa87bfdb824284a59130c0f1cd7bd34a", "post_id": "post-252637", "text": "Thanks Urwumpe. As I understand it, the vent valve M5 is responsible for regulating the pressure in the LOX tank. Is there any significance in it being described as \"a two stage back pressure valve\"?Does this mean it has two settings? I'm wondering if it regulates at 20PSI up to launch, then when the gas generators start, it switches to the 27.5\/33.3PSI setting? The tank pressure history suggests this, but I'm no expert on valves!Also, I'm assuming the M5 is constantly working during flight, so wouldn't the ullage space become eventuall filled with gaseous Oxygen as the ullage space is vented?Thanks, N.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.301137152Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2011-04-15T15:24:46+0100", "id": "2cbb76286efac053b9408dfed208e393", "post_id": "post-218075", "text": "I've been using Atomic Rockets to draw up specs for a near-future NTR space-craft called Skytrain that (visually at least) is based on the Venture star. My objective is a cargo hauler capable of making a 0.1g Brachistone from Earth to Mars.Unfortunately, my time of late has been occupied by work, school, and other projects, so it hasn't hasn't gotten past the planning stages.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.293624064Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-05-05T21:58:59+0100", "id": "b09817c3a041a80abf52d43c567321bc", "post_id": "post-221570", "text": "Andy44 said:Too late. People get instantly addicted to tech toys. Once upon a time the ATM was a new gimmick, and most people did their banking face-to-face in the bank lobby. But once you got an ATM card and figured out how convenient it was, banks started charging for its use, and charging you for some lobby services.People complain, but not enough to go back to no ATMs. And anyway, unless lots of people build a large coalition, most of us are powerless against these macroeconomic forces. And powerless against the hysteria of terrorism, which is used to get us to look the other way when all this computer security stuff gets implemented.\n\nWho thought that we live in a free world, where you have individual freedom of choice?But complaining doesn't solve the problem. What can we do about it?! If you are part of a minority that prefers a different choice than the mindless consumerist masses?", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.552287232Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2011-01-09T19:13:45+0000", "id": "25852277c332bd756e73a00be118c738", "post_id": "post-252906", "text": "I had another go at challenge 3, result: 2460.89 kg of fuel used. (2480 in the playback). Definitely room for improvement there. I think it can be done with about 10-15 kg less. Playback attached.CLARIFICATION: This flight was made with the \"Gravity-gradient torgue\" and \"Non spherical gravity sources\" checked, in the Orbiter launchpad.", "thread_id": 16334 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.3035776Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-04-16T20:50:37+0100", "id": "216737478de1df70fed98c8670705adf", "post_id": "post-218094", "text": "Yeah, it is really big, and that is supposed to carry 37 tons to a low orbit. The Valkyrie may have a lot of fairy-dust in it, but they certainly got right the sense of scale needed to lift things into orbit... this is no orbital C-130 that can carry the same load as your usual C-130...I also found this image, which illustrates the scale and dimension of the ISV quite well:Using the overall length\/width figures, it would be relatively easy to figure out the relative dimensions of all the major components.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.766223872Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-07-31T14:21:03+0100", "id": "5f28f23cb7651d7264004518ae69558b", "post_id": "post-251434", "text": "I read some .pdf's on how the hypersonic aeromaneuvering stuff is supposed to work. But they didn't explain how it knows when to fire thrusters to stay on course. Anybody got an explanation?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71571584Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-19T03:54:20+0100", "id": "13580b8b81b9a2c58b386c2de0a9a247", "post_id": "post-217650", "text": "bpops said:He says disable it for NON-ATI cards, and to do so for ATI cards at your own risk (so perhaps this CTD isn't news to him).EDIT: Ah, I think I see what you were saying here now. But I thought a possible solution for the MFD displacement\/flashing was going to be disabling the non-pot limit, based on the topics you quoted. Hence the confusion.\n\nRight, the non-pot limit was added in order to prevent the CTD on ATI cards, but it causes NVidia cards (and, apparently, yours) to display MFDs in the wrong place.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.819768576Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-03T14:50:20+0100", "id": "afbebc05a7f261c1127241b79d93241d", "post_id": "post-221249", "text": "That's not what I meant, but well ... I like oranges and apples :lol:", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.133417216Z", "author": "Star Voyager", "date": "2010-05-03T17:31:52+0100", "id": "5dd6e9e69f9b3c0787757c6fc4bdcf58", "post_id": "post-221393", "text": "He was my friend's neighbor. He was going to get me Guenter's autograph, but never got the chance. I even met Guenter and sat with him at the World Space Expo in 2007. I now know where Guenter Wendt. Rest in peace, pad F\u00fchrer.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.868544512Z", "author": "Sunhillow", "date": "2012-08-06T06:28:31+0100", "id": "f6177ebf32a55728ffabacde9762fc72", "post_id": "post-251572", "text": "In the simulation parachute is deployed - let's hope the same happened to the real zhing", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.841999104Z", "author": "luc97as14", "date": "2012-09-24T01:17:19+0100", "id": "73b685c1b2e917b0a967337539624262", "post_id": "post-217735", "text": "This is really great and super fun to use, but i had 1 problem and i dont know if i am the only one, but when i try to dock CEV and Altair i cant find a docking IDS? please help.", "thread_id": 13877 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.181365504Z", "author": "McWgogs", "date": "2010-05-05T15:53:30+0100", "id": "0fa994b78669c7da371d52281a835af4", "post_id": "post-221448", "text": "I might photograph the thing if i get good weather in the next few days. Here are two earlier ones:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Pxv-w22JKGo\"]YouTube- ISS and STS-129 flyby through telescope[\/nomedia][nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=xK3lh9e-hU4\"]YouTube- ISS nad HTV Flyby Through Telescope[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.065832192Z", "author": "sergiothepilot", "date": "2011-11-27T00:02:00+0000", "id": "ccb6880b044419c7bf17c98c40342a1f", "post_id": "post-251290", "text": "Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have a question on escape velocity. I watched the launch and it was spectacular. The commentator mentioned that the vehicle had reached escape velocity of 10.6 km\/s. Thats equivalent to 23,712 m\/h. I thought that the escape velocity of earth is 11.2 km\/s or 25,054 m\/h. Which one is right? and why de difference. Thanks to anyone that can answer my question!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.866390784Z", "author": "emarkay", "date": "2011-04-08T21:18:14+0100", "id": "5a1be749f7b84e2528733f757fa07505", "post_id": "post-217783", "text": "Thanks for your work - looks good!", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.838930432Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2013-06-28T21:14:30+0100", "id": "5ae03c92e8ae96843cc0d57edb160ed0", "post_id": "post-222294", "text": "Still going.http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/science-environment-23075332and just a bit of fun:http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/science-environment-21937524", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.130990848Z", "author": "DarkEnergy", "date": "2010-08-30T00:56:30+0100", "id": "345b1533e1c67729712c2ca8876d97fb", "post_id": "post-252276", "text": "Nice video! It was neat to see the patterns that the asteroids are discovered in, especially the last WISE pattern.", "thread_id": 16276 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.458959616Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-22T21:00:33+0100", "id": "6b2af152a42be1ea3ea8330e5a9039d1", "post_id": "post-218343", "text": "Sky Captain said:Well, in Orbiter rockets never explode or fail in some other way\n\nOh yes they do. In Project Mercury and Project R-7 they can fail, and then you're in trouble.", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.43675392Z", "author": "Logifech", "date": "2010-09-01T10:49:33+0100", "id": "64e03d3b2de69265a4c02a4a8d14099a", "post_id": "post-252533", "text": "Thank you martin Aweasome work.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.920368384Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-03T16:32:37+0100", "id": "f278b1359e122321e1af26187820d04f", "post_id": "post-221262", "text": "DaveS said:Scatter_gen.exe gives this error when run here: \"Unable to activate OpenGL rendering context\". The message in the console window is: \"Cannot create GLGR context, thus cannot generate tables.\"\n\nAnd, the raytraced air worked for you...Something is wrong with the set-up, i'll check it later.Here are the tables in case scatter_gen won't work:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/ogla_earth_scatter.zip(April beta ones are exactly the same (EDIT: They are inscatter.bin, irradiance.bin and transmittance.bin in textures directory)).", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.5507392Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-19T23:53:55+0100", "id": "b5676cae4245dd28a2f5fbbcf5ec769d", "post_id": "post-218531", "text": "My kid is stressed out a little as too. She takes her test to get her drivers license this Friday, a paper to write, plus there is color guard tryouts soon and exams are looming.Like Natey787 said, break it down into little things. They are easier to deal with than the \"whole\" picture. Kind of like eating an elephant, just take one bite at a time, you could always recite the litany against fear as well ;-)", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.223885568Z", "author": "Trekky0623", "date": "2010-05-04T03:59:06+0100", "id": "bb1054e35648226c92b2326f181d8ad9", "post_id": "post-221530", "text": "Tried to play the Apollo mission of the CVEL Titans mod, but I got this error. It seems to be looking for a skylab.Code:**** Orbiter.log\nBuild Sep 29 2006 [v.060929]\nFound 0 joystick(s)\nModule AtlantisConfig.dll [API v.060425]\nModule DGConfig.dll [API v.060425]\nModule ProjectApolloConfigurator.dll [API v.060425]\nModule CustomMFD.dll [API v.060425]\nModule OrbiterSound.dll [API v.060425]\nModule PEGAutopilot.dll [API v.060425]\nModule WarpDriveMFD-Mk2.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Collision-core.dll [API v.060425]\nModule ProjectApolloMFD.dll [API v.060425]\n\n**** Creating simulation session\nDirectDraw interface OK\nDirect3D interface OK\nZbuffer: 16 bit\nRender device: Fullscreen 1280 x 800\nDevice has hardware T&L capability\nModule Sun.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(E) Sun: Precision 1e-006, Terms 554\/6634\nModule Mercury.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(B) Mercury: Precision 1e-005, Terms 167\/7123\nModule Venus.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(B) Venus: Precision 1e-005, Terms 79\/1710\nModule Earth.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(B) Earth: Precision 1e-008, Terms 2564\/2564\nModule Moon.dll [API v.041022]\nELP82: Precision 1e-005, Terms 116\/829\nModule Mars.dll [API v.060425]\nVSOP87(B) Mars: Precision 1e-005, Terms 405\/6400\nModule Phobos.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Deimos.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Galsat.dll [API v.041022]\nModule Jupiter.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(B) Jupiter: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1624\/3625\nModule Io.dll [API v.041022]\nModule Europa.dll [API v.041022]\nModule Ganymede.dll [API v.041022]\nModule Callisto.dll [API v.041022]\nModule Satsat.dll [API v.050206]\nModule Saturn.dll [API v.060425]\nVSOP87(B) Saturn: Precision 1e-006, Terms 2904\/6365\nModule Mimas.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Mimas: Terms 113\nModule Enceladus.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Enceladus: Terms 33\nModule Tethys.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Tethys: Terms 101\nModule Dione.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Dione: Terms 59\nModule Rhea.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Rhea: Terms 68\nModule Titan.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Titan: Terms 100\nModule Hyperion.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Hyperion: Terms 595\nModule Iapetus.dll [API v.050206]\nSATSAT Iapetus: Terms 605\nModule Uranus.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(B) Uranus: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1827\/5269\nModule Miranda.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Ariel.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Umbriel.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Titania.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Oberon.dll [API v.060425]\nModule Neptune.dll [API v.050206]\nVSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391\/2024\nModule Triton.dll [API v.060425]\nFinished initialising world\n>>> ERROR: No vessel class configuration file found for:\n>>> ERROR: Sat5_Skylab\n>>> [C:\\Source\\Orbiter\\Vessel.cpp \/ 248]\n>>> TERMINATING <<<", "thread_id": 14108 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.63965824Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-03T15:27:15+0100", "id": "0a082106868df9b73dc3a46ba28847d2", "post_id": "post-253047", "text": "Wow, this IS badass.:hail::probe:", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.896218112Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-02-15T21:35:06+0000", "id": "55479fdb38fb8e078af60a8d3e7cd5f9", "post_id": "post-217874", "text": "Question; ATV-1 was tested in the Netherlands (Solar panels if I remember correctly). Was ATV-2 also test in the Netherlands?", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.292985856Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-05T02:05:01+0100", "id": "66a9adedc554d0994bd1103e78f9e907", "post_id": "post-221562", "text": "loyalj said:Regardless of which side wins this business decision, we lose.\n\nSo it means we need to make them to be even. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.67613952Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2008-08-02T16:58:35+0100", "id": "170ad60e7b03c0b96a44f7028df83375", "post_id": "post-69118", "text": "DaveS said:That would be as the ET is mine. Here you go: 3.456, -2.074, 5.716.\n\nThanks!!!New version is up!", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.30940672Z", "author": "XSSA", "date": "2011-04-24T21:10:52+0100", "id": "468cbca3a39d0acf46fb5d448c729ed1", "post_id": "post-218138", "text": "I'm on my way to releasing a version of the ISV Venture Star and Valkyrie Space Shuttle. Still need to write a config file and convert the .skp's to .msh.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.30817792Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-05T13:47:05+0100", "id": "bfca0f0546e950a0dcfb0b5f934027b0", "post_id": "post-221609", "text": "Well, as far as I know, no vehicle has ever been designed to drive in more than one gravity field, each has been custom-made for its intended use. Instead of designing a tire that can be adapted for different worlds, just build a different one for each planet. It's only going one way. I think it's more important to think about the various types of terrain the vehicle will have to drive on. Can the tire handle both sand and rock?", "thread_id": 14112 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.363293952Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-09-04T07:29:06+0100", "id": "cd91cd978383e2234dba9124a5f83d91", "post_id": "post-252456", "text": "I would not count that bird out yet. Anything that can carry the Arramski is still deadly to the vast amount of aircraft out there.Transition to aircraft that can defeat it outright is downright slow.", "thread_id": 16300 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.879432192Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-16T16:01:57+0100", "id": "1cf60c3de6e5c9602f6915513c89d518", "post_id": "post-217800", "text": "Here lately I find myself spending more time reading the forum that flying in Orbiter, but when the OFSS restarts I'll be back in the saddle quickly.My time on the computer now is mostly with Anim8tor building the mesh for Athena, and messing around with textures, etc.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.926934272Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-11T05:03:33+0100", "id": "14ed1de0974e1630868af86184d6af62", "post_id": "post-221332", "text": "OGLAClient 100511:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/oglaclient-100511_beta-100503.zipRequires Orbiter beta 100503 (maybe 100509).Raytraced haze tables:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/ogla_earth_scatter.zipContinuing XR2-related bug fixes.Changes:*Fixed specular issues (XR2)*Fixed material assignment issues (XR2, SSU?)DaveS said:CTD with SSU during the pre-launch phase. I think the CTD is due to our current simulation of launch pad lighting by editing the materials of the MLP, Orbiter, ET and SRBs from the code.\n\nCould not reproduce. When exactly to look for it?What about today's version, there were important changes in the MeshMaterial area.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.525050112Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-02T10:08:48+0100", "id": "d949cbf299fb5365dac0829f095cbde1", "post_id": "post-252788", "text": "Looks a bit like the old Hockenheim circuit... but smaller.", "thread_id": 16327 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.892093952Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-01-12T10:13:30+0000", "id": "c3d46f69837f6c06a6ea5c4006fd75d6", "post_id": "post-217847", "text": "Arianespace:Europe\u2019s Automated Transfer Vehicle is readied for its February launch on Ariane 5.Click on image to enlarge\u200bThe ATV Johannes Kepler is fueled in the Spaceport\u2019s S5 payload integration facility.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.092858112Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2008-02-10T05:24:02+0000", "id": "444e21f1bc633640e05b8a2f3bed5b95", "post_id": "post-12292", "text": "In my opinion, the weirder a theory is the better...In the old days people used to call Galileo, Newton, Aristotle fools because their theories were foolish because of the lack of knowledge back then. Even today, quantum mechanic is so weird, yet no event ever predicted by the theory has yet to be contradicted. The hallmark of a geniuses is not necessarily how \"smart\" they are, rather it's how creative they are.", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.531988992Z", "author": "joiz", "date": "2008-05-27T15:57:33+0100", "id": "62d1b424386b7028f8996412653cf650", "post_id": "post-69063", "text": "this was a little idea i had: how bout using something like UMMU to make a space shuttle style craft but thats fully reusable, the boosters and orbiter can then be assembled in a UMMU VAB so u can \"EVA\" the shuttle that has been \"assembled\" in the VAB once u recover all the boosters so u can use the shuttle again after u land. VAB would also have a fuel supply for shuttle, great for some of the things made by greg burch for example.", "thread_id": 1633 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.917189632Z", "author": "Dambuster", "date": "2011-02-18T15:44:16+0000", "id": "e0714547d1e709c3cb0e1dbd65082b83", "post_id": "post-217906", "text": "Do you know what prompted the altitude change? Is it related to the retirement of the Shuttles (less fuel needed so fewer flights to the ISS) or is it just a change that's been being planned for a while but only implemented now?", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.164171008Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-05-04T21:37:44+0100", "id": "9af0ce85fd8acf3f2f9caf1766cbc291", "post_id": "post-221434", "text": "MeDiCS said:Wait, you lost me. You're saying that ODF was pushed by Sun as a standard, even though there are already-standard (i.e. ISO approved) formats such as Microsoft's DOC format? Could you also clarify the reason you included that link?\n\nOuch, that is so incorrect that it hurts me. Will you please remove that from your post, to prevent further damage?On second read, apparently you only suggest that this is someone else's statement. Anyway, it still hurts.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.000944896Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-07T11:59:12+0100", "id": "58c65bc6cb5ddf63d2b1ca21db8be87f", "post_id": "post-251916", "text": "Florida Today:Warm-up almost over for CuriosityDiscovery News:A Happy Rover is a Roving Rover", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.865102592Z", "author": "castorp", "date": "2010-07-02T03:26:43+0100", "id": "a6eb31625cd199375f6cc9f53a84556d", "post_id": "post-217770", "text": "I like your new release and what your doing with this project!:cheers:I have an old vostok mesh complex from the \"OctoberSky\" project that's not completed, but could be done so and readily given the voskhod tunnel and misc other modifications... it's a pretty modular set of meshes so there'slot'sof potential for animation sequencing. any interest in playing around with this model?cheers,hc:probe:", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.23440256Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-05-04T19:31:24+0100", "id": "aa3a242c697d53f93ba35d43a1b852fd", "post_id": "post-221541", "text": "I also was already thinking about that some time ago. And I'm always afraid how rare the chances actually were to see something like Orbiter or Space Shuttle Mission 2007 lately. It's actually only a few handful of people who made it possible.I'm also afraid how rare the chances are for another good Flight Simulator like Microsoft, now that ACES studios has been closed.That the majority of people is not at all interested in those things, 4 decades after the first manned lunar landing and decades after Concorde and commercial aviation, makes me somehow think pessimistic about our future. If \"fun\", porn, and facebook is all that people want, I say good night. Because that's indeed what the internet is basically used for sadly...", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.007882752Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-11-02T07:53:15+0000", "id": "b9b67b4b774a119729898c5f850ba34b", "post_id": "post-251986", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.458902528Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-22T20:52:23+0100", "id": "3ec357cc14758e8974d7d73593393119", "post_id": "post-218342", "text": "N_Molson said:And most importantly, if anything goes wrong with the Saturn, they have no way to save their lives (no parachute, no escape tower, no thermal shielding)\n\nWell, in Orbiter rockets never explode or fail in some other way;)And if they die you can always think of it as a sacrifice to The Almighty:probe::hail::probe:", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.009764096Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2012-11-21T14:12:55+0000", "id": "60e0e9fcb30e725ccd66ba4ef3f117b0", "post_id": "post-252009", "text": "maybe its poop residuejkI think it will be water related, or at least something that changes our view of Mars' history and appearance", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.530199808Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-19T22:40:34+0100", "id": "62df4132cde5eb185f62178e2eb463a3", "post_id": "post-218457", "text": "So, do I get this right: a one hour transfer to the next airport is better, because the train station is equally far away and the train comes only about once per day?", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.29183616Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-04T17:39:53+0100", "id": "11f41ac3a3aaea6b8f82936e265e6f58", "post_id": "post-221552", "text": "There is a controversy between Apple and Adobe.Adobe confirms plans to move away from AppleWho is right? Adobe or Apple or both or none?What do you think?", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.333575168Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-05-05T04:28:28+0100", "id": "f1c8219b2134f3b2dfebc05304f2d20a", "post_id": "post-221658", "text": "ar81 said:What some orbinauts play isStar Frontiers, a role play game game created by the makers of Dungeons & Dragons, for those who love space adventures.I made a dice roller and a character generator for that community. You may find themhere.\n\nHo wow, never heard of it. Looked it up on Wikipedia and saw this:A multiplayer flight simulator version of Knight Hawks Vector is being developed for Orbiter Space Simulator program\n\nNever heard of that addon.Also, as far as space tabletop games go, I have to say I prefer fantasy. I'm not sure if there's a particular reason why, but I just never was able to enjoy space RPing as much as I do fantasy RPing.", "thread_id": 14116 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.0424256Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2014-04-13T20:26:41+0100", "id": "a5398b281fbe826a9beb4610a37a0fec", "post_id": "post-252180", "text": "Wreckage from the sky crane?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.531399168Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-20T09:03:32+0100", "id": "8e8d65a2f54328e3b0f4631a77b149a9", "post_id": "post-218472", "text": "vonneuman said:What trains are you riding on? The ones I ride are cramped, have hard seats, and no leg room.\n\nmaybe hard seats, but cramped?Lets look at the same cars that are operated by private companies in Germany (because these are more comparable to US rails, since they get less pork barrel, compared to DB Regio, which makes 70% of the revenue of the DB AG with tax financed regional services)Thats a typical German short-distance regional train, there are also bigger ships on the rail.The more cramped two deck cars look like that in the second class:And if you pay significant more, you can also book first class on some regional trains:I hardly had problems with other passengers in a train, usually, you can have a quite nice chat there, if you travel 1.5 hours in the same train. Also, you see more of the landscape, than from car or plane. I like trains, almost as much as ships. Planes are always looking too hectic to me.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.69578496Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-05-08T18:45:08+0100", "id": "cb1974e5327dd2925025b06765dd63d2", "post_id": "post-222177", "text": "Not bad but why did you remove the docked Soyuz? It looks odd with no Soyuz attached!", "thread_id": 14160 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.048004608Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-11-22T07:36:36+0000", "id": "14ac957bee8216f831824feceea002b0", "post_id": "post-251224", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity in context: Not exactly \"Viking on wheels,\" but close:|Sojourner|Spirit and Opportunity|Curiosity|VikingMass of rover (kg)|10.6|185|900|576Mass of science instruments (kg)|0.75|5.5|72|91# of science instruments*|1|5|10|8# of engineering cameras|3|6|12(6 with full redundancy)\u200b|0Mission goal |To demonstrate technology, and determine the elemental abundances of surface rock.|To determine the history of climate and water at a site on Mars where conditions may once have been favorable to life.|To explore and quantitatively assess Mars as a potential habitat for life, past or present.|To conduct a detailed scientific investigation of Mars, including a search for life.Wheelbase|65 cm long, 45 cm wide|141 cm long, 122 cm wide|280 cm long and wide|3 equally spaced footpads 221 cm apartWheel diameter|13 cm|26 cm|50 cm|--Camera height|26 cm|152 cm|200 cm|130 cmEnergy per sol (avg.)|100 W-hr (solar array)|900 W-hr (solar array)|2400 W-hr (RTG)|1600 Wh per sol (RTG)Nominal mission|7 sols \/ a few m traverse|90 sols \/ 600-1,000 m traverse|687 sols \/ 20,000 m traverse|45 solsActual mission|81 sols \/ 100 m traverse|Spirit: 2,210 sols (at least) \/ 7,730 m traverseOpportunity: 2,500+ sols and 27,000+ m traverse and counting|????|Lander 1: 2,245 solsLander 2: 1,281 sols{colsp=5}*instrument totals do not include cameras used for engineering purposes such as hazard avoidance, nor do they include instrument positioning tools like camera masts, robotic arms, or sampling equipment.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.48586752Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-04-20T15:04:03+0100", "id": "2bc9bb66f4402369091b46d79983cdc3", "post_id": "post-218411", "text": "I've used it, but 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Even the Mars rovers are end of mission to early\n\nnot true, the mars rovers were built to last 90 Sols. They exceeded that by a huge amount. Neither Voyager is in perfect working order. They only have two instruments working and several issues that the team have to work around.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.538272512Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-09-02T17:32:33+0100", "id": "80f34e946dfa172702302ad59ed3234d", "post_id": "post-252844", "text": "Eh... there is money to be made in space... see the telecommunications satellite business. SOMEONE needs to launch those satellites... :hmm:And while Luna isn't exactly plated in gold, there is Helium 3 there... if we could find a lucrative use for the stuff.", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.86063104Z", "author": "igel", "date": "2010-04-17T20:21:39+0100", "id": "209d34b2e62b03f8897ab45631dc8821", "post_id": "post-217747", "text": "Just as a heads-up, there is currently yet another Vostok addon under development, by me and Thorton. That is, _at least_ one - there may be more around that I am not aware of:). Not that I want this fact to discourage anyone from doing other Vostoks - the more we'll have, the better:).Ours will most likely be limited to Vostok only, (Voshod to be added at some later time) simply because Vostok itself is complicated enough for one addon. The detail level will be upgraded from the level of our latest \"Early R-7\" and \"Soyuz\" addons. Which, unfortunately means that the addon is still months away. Details take time and patience...", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.325829376Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T01:35:10+0100", "id": "24da7345095fd1c1a252585c5cabf301", "post_id": "post-221638", "text": "I just downloaded the 2 TransX video tutorials: TX earth to mars, and, TX moon to mars. When I unzipped and attempted to play the vidoes, all there was, was an audio file. Is that all there was supposed to be or am I missing something?", "thread_id": 14115 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.013868288Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-12-21T19:21:39+0000", "id": "29b6a3c53053e43d36e49eede2f24577", "post_id": "post-252053", "text": "", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.037776896Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-17T22:20:05+0100", "id": "230d7724979a295d97fe90eb0201e68c", "post_id": "post-217987", "text": "Urwumpe said:Yes, and as you can see in the Angara, you actually pay mostly for the development of the heaviest configuration, and then have the chance to use it with smaller configurations and a little payload penalty to more optimized launchers.\n\nYeah, but once R&D is paid you got whole family of rockets that can be used for variety of payloads. Even if 90 % of your flights are 1 or 3 core versions with heavy configuration flying only few times a year there has to be a cost savings overall at least because your factory that makes cores and personel are used more efficiently. With fixed size heavy rocket that flies few times a year you have a personal and factory doing nothing for most of the time.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.819628032Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-03T14:41:31+0100", "id": "ec6d37599ed6f297bb6e15e36dfbad06", "post_id": "post-221248", "text": "Enjo said:No, because oranges are not apples:)\n\nSee. And who are we to tell oranges and apples apart as ISP. :lol:Boxes are not opened and the fruits tasted to be sure that no apples are transported as oranges.", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.47664384Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-01T10:02:10+0100", "id": "773bc9cbe314b7e8937feab66cdab435", "post_id": "post-252636", "text": "The nitrogen is not replaced in the tank ullage space, it just means instead of nitrogen from the pressurization control unit, gaseous oxygen from the engine heat exchanger is used for controlling the tank pressure.M66 and M139 should be the manifolds to the PCU, supplying GN2 at different pressures.At -70 seconds, the nitrogen pressure increases and the topping circuit, that constantly replaces evaporated oxygen with fresh oxygen, is switched to a higher liquid oxygen level for flight, since the boil-off is less critical in the short time.M143 seems to be a filter or checkvalve combination...but I am not sure about the symbols. The GN2 lines should be sealed by disconnects.", "thread_id": 16317 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.11729664Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-19T07:19:41+0100", "id": "fe3f859baa7b0467223dab5ffc5fcda3", "post_id": "post-217992", "text": "solving the problems that youthoughtyou needed the 5-core version for (eg, figuring our how to do better on-orbit assembly).\n\nBut not the things that only the 5-core versioncando, should the situation arise.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.193372928Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-05-05T23:27:55+0100", "id": "2b7caf728ae42769b955ca01c4e2cc6b", "post_id": "post-221493", "text": "Someone should rip a few mech models and use them as UMMU models.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.91906176Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T06:38:22+0100", "id": "8c2a1eafd72b8ecc39d8ccbe5c7c6382", "post_id": "post-251619", "text": "2 more pics are on the way before odyssey blows off..", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.425672448Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-04-17T23:14:42+0100", "id": "65cc7ba33026f4f54be484ce5068b2b3", "post_id": "post-218203", "text": "Finally, one person of a few who gratifying of \"our\" work is spoken. I my self have not released an addon in forever, but I plan on doing so if I have time off from school. :tiphat:", "thread_id": 13904 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.193799168Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-06T17:41:40+0100", "id": "fce04fe1b63ae33d0014d2130395b163", "post_id": "post-221496", "text": "A friend lent me a copy of the original release of Mechwarrior 4, and I get the exact same error.Oddly enough, he uses Vista as well as 7 on different systems, and both versions work fine on both of his systems.One giant WTF over here. Ah well, it's not that bad.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.93592832Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T18:21:50+0100", "id": "6f1a59398e5e3581b152287409061c61", "post_id": "post-251715", "text": "not necessarily..", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.457895168Z", "author": "Fixerger", "date": "2010-04-21T13:22:56+0100", "id": "4500edbe615b43b25e12a7e5513686aa", "post_id": "post-218333", "text": "Can you post scenario for that?", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.292443392Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-05-04T19:25:00+0100", "id": "0ed0f6303d6976b07b2aaeb222bbcfb1", "post_id": "post-221556", "text": "Without Flash, how will be able to lose productivity on Flash games?But it really is a disturbing trend, that I'm afraid will be followed by others. One day will come when we won't own our computers anymore, their makers will own them and since most of our lives are either stored or managed through those devices, they'll own us too. This could well turn out to be a form of hydraulic tyranny - which together with internet filters and traffic shapes will enable a kind of control over citizens even Sauron could only dream about.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.99246976Z", "author": "Aviator", "date": "2012-08-23T05:31:40+0100", "id": "fce6c12624074b91990ec14b4e4eb748", "post_id": "post-251875", "text": "Well i suppose you would know.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.478656256Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-07-08T20:40:43+0100", "id": "1ded3477788d5bdea7a0a0e023456145", "post_id": "post-218392", "text": "I figured out the random firings now...it was when I tried to use the auto burn in interplanetary or the aoa hold in aerobrake. It was because I was using and autopilot that uses the rcs. Now I have anouther question...how would I activate the dap that controls the shuttle during reentry...in the shuttle fleet it is just the key d or b if forgot which but how do I do it in the ssu. Im off the check the scom but perhaps you guys could tell me an answer faster. Thank You", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.363523584Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-05-05T18:58:36+0100", "id": "092eec764ef37bb59b621654b1fca2e5", "post_id": "post-221734", "text": "Is it a good idea to let incRef have a 'failure' result, if it turns out that that object was deleted before the reference could be incremented?", "thread_id": 14122 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.010522624Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2012-11-21T17:58:32+0000", "id": "c0b49210a7ff0fd2f987d10ef3e4123b", "post_id": "post-252017", "text": "Keatah said:Ohh swell.. pictures of fog on another planet..\n\nIf it were fog, it would be quite a significant discovery. The reality is much more mundane.:p", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.528840704Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-04-19T18:29:26+0100", "id": "e259a238d6c8ebc3190edddf49c7d0bf", "post_id": "post-218445", "text": "In some places, the density is even higher. This is a train map for the Netherlands:And the Netherlands' surface area is only 63% of that of Florida. Not all stations are present on the map: e.g. theweird loopwith the number 16 next to it (just east of Den Haag) has about 12 stations. The town of Zoetermeer has one station per 10000 citizens.But OTOH, the Netherlands has about 17 million citizens, so you could also compare the railway map with the subway map of some metropolitan areas elsewhere in the world. It may be that railways work better in areas with a larger population density.Another explanation I have for the absence of good railway networks in the US is that passenger railways probably can't survive without government support, and in the US people seem to be allergic to government intervention in the market. It isn't surprising that 'comrade' Obama is the first to invest in railways again.BTW, how is the conventional road network maintained in the US? Is it done with tax money? I can't remember I've seen many toll roads there. At least not as many as in France.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.684411904Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-08T23:17:58+0100", "id": "4a501e5f000446f84c3dd38ed0c4cb4d", "post_id": "post-222174", "text": "Besides, it's bad for the atmosphere:p", "thread_id": 14159 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.012120064Z", "author": "astrosammy", "date": "2012-11-28T16:54:02+0000", "id": "ebed806f5a803f3f03481b7862764de9", "post_id": "post-252034", "text": "Amazing picture, but wouldn't this low resolution version be enough for this thread?https:\/\/planetary.s3.amazonaws.com\/...1126_mars_msl_Sol107_Mastcam100_half_f840.jpgBTW, about that earthshaking discovery:NASA's \"History Book\"-Worthy Discovery Is Really Just a Big Misunderstanding", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.598881024Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-21T18:05:00+0100", "id": "68a37669f158beb64702479e0773649b", "post_id": "post-218619", "text": "as I said above... tons of research and educated guessing.", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.833659392Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-11-15T09:08:10+0000", "id": "65e2eb2438a0b5cf4e9a8d24a4ca3a78", "post_id": "post-222263", "text": "It also proves you can send commands and receive data from a spacecraft in a reliable fashion at huge distances :thumbup:Even at the speed of light, it takes 12 hours 58 minutes 18.97 seconds to reach the spacecraft, so 1 day 2 hours for a signal to come back and forth.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.042124032Z", "author": "MattBaker", "date": "2014-04-10T20:53:42+0100", "id": "8f6c9d1cae5d4efda8872fd9ea248f02", "post_id": "post-252178", "text": "The skycrane became self-aware and now observes Curiosity at night, duh.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.709023488Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-16T04:00:11+0100", "id": "555ec27d269b2694691f8516fa752ce8", "post_id": "post-217606", "text": "DaveS said:No joy on the new atmospheric effects here. Also getting terrible FPS. Getting an message about that VBO is not available and it is running unaccelerated.Also, still the old effect on the thruster exhausts.Here's my debug data:Videocard: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT 512 MB, latest official NVIDIA driversOgla.log:Code:2010-04-16 00:18:12| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.2\n2010-04-16 00:18:12| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.4\n2010-04-16 00:18:12| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 2.0\n2010-04-16 00:18:12| INIT| glgruva=1, usevbo=0, vboav=0, glgr_stensh_aupd=0, gvsync=0, gl_comp_sup=1, gl_shm4=0\n\nThat is really weird.Did previous versions gave this error to you?Your video card is nowhere old enough to not support VBO, so something must be wrong in my detection code, which, surprisingly, haven't changed for years.Just in case something is wrong on my end, i overrode the detection code here:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/oglaclient-100415-1.zipIs there any improvement?The new air should have worked too, according to the log.Does it give you something looking wrong, or old air?DaveS said:Also, still the old effect on the thruster exhausts.\n\nHm? Are we talking about exhaust fading depending on level or some other effect?", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.678105344Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2008-11-04T22:20:26+0000", "id": "a778f25ca624f8b8b73fee40c42b9645", "post_id": "post-69141", "text": "Urwumpe said:How much too fast? I think I remember there had been some performance tables around, could be used for that task.\n\nSSU tower clear: T+3 sec.STS-114 tower clear: T+5 sec", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.978948608Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-16T19:50:43+0100", "id": "6bee433ba22679aefbc75ccca3f59d21", "post_id": "post-217966", "text": "I think Dan mentioned in the development thread about how to \"cheat\" and use the Arrow inside Earth's atmosphere. But of course the Arrow isn't designed for it...I recall him mentioning how unweildy it is, I haven't done it myself, I've been sticking to airless planets\/moons.", "thread_id": 13885 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.836139008Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-08-03T20:35:57+0100", "id": "cebcd490b7799591b348a9fecb10b657", "post_id": "post-222278", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Signs Changing Fast for Voyager at Solar System EdgeAugust 03, 2012Two of three key signs of changes expected to occur at the boundary of interstellar space have changed faster than at any other time in the last seven years, according to new data from NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft.For the last seven years, Voyager 1 has been exploring the outer layer of the bubble of charged particles the sun blows around itself. In one day, on July 28, data from Voyager 1's cosmic ray instrument showed the level of high-energy cosmic rays originating from outside our solar system jumped by five percent. During the last half of that same day, the level of lower-energy particles originating from inside our solar system dropped by half. However, in three days, the levels had recovered to near their previous levels.A third key sign is the direction of the magnetic field, and scientists are eagerly analyzing the data to see whether that has, indeed, changed direction. Scientists expect that all three of these signs will have changed when Voyager 1 has crossed into interstellar space. A preliminary analysis of the latest magnetic field data is expected to be available in the next month.\"These are thrilling times for the Voyager team as we try to understand the quickening pace of changes as Voyager 1 approaches the edge of interstellar space,\" said Edward Stone, the Voyager project scientist based at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. \"We are certainly in a new region at the edge of the solar system where things are changing rapidly. But we are not yet able to say that Voyager 1 has entered interstellar space.\"The levels of high-energy cosmic ray particles have been increasing for years, but more slowly than they are now. The last jump -- of five percent -- took one week in May. The levels of lower-energy particles from inside our solar system have been slowly decreasing for the last two years. Scientists expect that the lower-energy particles will drop close to zero when Voyager 1 finally crosses into interstellar space.\"The increase and the decrease are sharper than we've seen before, but that's also what we said about the May data,\" Stone said. \"The data are changing in ways that we didn't expect, but Voyager has always surprised us with new discoveries.\"Voyager 1, which launched on Sept. 5, 1977, is 11 billion miles (18 billion kilometers) from the sun. Voyager 2, which launched on Aug. 20, 1977, is close behind, at 9.3 billion miles (15 billion kilometers) from the sun.\"Our two veteran Voyager spacecraft are hale and healthy as they near the 35th anniversary of their launch,\" said Suzanne Dodd, Voyager project manager based at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena. \"We know they will cross into interstellar space. It's just a question of when.\"{...}", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.838687744Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-12-03T19:27:36+0000", "id": "adb62fb207fcf91ac392eecdb1e79c6d", "post_id": "post-222292", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Voyager 1 Encounters New Region in Deep SpaceDecember 03, 2012PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft has entered a new region at the far reaches of our solar system that scientists feel is the final area the spacecraft has to cross before reaching interstellar space.Scientists refer to this new region as a magnetic highway for charged particles because our sun's magnetic field lines are connected to interstellar magnetic field lines. This connection allows lower-energy charged particles that originate from inside our heliosphere -- or the bubble of charged particles the sun blows around itself -- to zoom out and allows higher-energy particles from outside to stream in. Before entering this region, the charged particles bounced around in all directions, as if trapped on local roads inside the heliosphere.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|Voyager 1 Explores the \"Magnetic Highway\"\u200bThis still image and set of animations show NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft exploring a new region in our solar system called the \"magnetic highway.\" In this region, the sun's magnetic field lines are connected to interstellar magnetic field lines, allowing particles from inside the heliosphere to zip away and particles from interstellar space to zoom in.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bSee animation\u200b|Voyagers in the Heliosheath\u200bThis artist's concept shows NASA's two Voyager spacecraft exploring a turbulent region of space known as the heliosheath, the outer shell of the bubble of charged particles around our sun.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bThe Voyager team infers this region is still inside our solar bubble because the direction of the magnetic field lines has not changed. The direction of these magnetic field lines is predicted to change when Voyager breaks through to interstellar space. The new results were described at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco on Monday.\"Although Voyager 1 still is inside the sun's environment, we now can taste what it's like on the outside because the particles are zipping in and out on this magnetic highway,\" said Edward Stone, Voyager project scientist based at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena. \"We believe this is the last leg of our journey to interstellar space. Our best guess is it's likely just a few months to a couple years away. The new region isn't what we expected, but we've come to expect the unexpected from Voyager.\"{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|Charged Particle Populations in and out of the New Region\u200bThis animated graphic shows the jumps and dips in two key populations of charged particles as NASA's Voyager 1 moved into and out of a new region called the \"magnetic highway.\"Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/GSFC\u200b|The Sun's Southern Wind Flows Northward\u200bThis artist's concept shows how NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft is bathed in solar wind from the southern hemisphere flowing northward.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bSince December 2004, when Voyager 1 crossed a point in space called the termination shock, the spacecraft has been exploring the heliosphere's outer layer, called the heliosheath. In this region, the stream of charged particles from the sun, known as the solar wind, abruptly slowed down from supersonic speeds and became turbulent. Voyager 1's environment was consistent for about five and a half years. The spacecraft then detected that the outward speed of the solar wind slowed to zero.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|Plasma Flow Near Voyager 1\u200bThis artist's concept shows plasma flows around NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft as it approaches interstellar space.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/JHUAPL\u200b|Location of Low-Energy Charged Particle Instrument\u200bThis graphic shows the NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft and the location of its low-energy charged particle instrument. A labeled close-up of the low-energy charged particle instrument appears as the inset image.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/JHUAPL\u200bThe intensity of the magnetic field also began to increase at that time.Voyager data from two onboard instruments that measure charged particles showed the spacecraft first entered this magnetic highway region on July 28, 2012. The region ebbed away and flowed toward Voyager 1 several times. The spacecraft entered the region again Aug. 25 and the environment has been stable since.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|Charged Particle Data from Voyager 1's Low-Energy Charged Particle Instrument\u200bThis graphic from NASA's Voyager mission shows measurements of different populations of charged particles by Voyager 1's low-energy charged particle instrument (LECP).Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/JHUAPL\u200b|Solar and Interstellar Magnetic Fields\u200bThis artist's concept shows the different expected directions of the magnetic fields in interstellar space (black lines) and the magnetic field emanating from our sun (white lines).Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200b\"If we were judging by the charged particle data alone, I would have thought we were outside the heliosphere,\" said Stamatios Krimigis, principal investigator of the low-energy charged particle instrument, based at the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md. \"But we need to look at what all the instruments are telling us and only time will tell whether our interpretations about this frontier are correct.\"Spacecraft data revealed the magnetic field became stronger each time Voyager entered the highway region; however, the direction of the magnetic field lines did not change.{colsp=2}Click on images for details\u200b|Magnetic and Charged Particle Changes in New Solar System Region\u200bThis graphic, made from data obtained by NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft, tracks the behavior of the sun's magnetic field.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/GSFC\/University of Delaware\u200b|Voyager 1 Magnetic Field Strength and Direction\u200bThis graphic shows how the direction of the magnetic field in the region NASA's Voyager 1 is exploring has not changed, even though the intensity of the magnetic field has increased.Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/GSFC\/University of Delaware\u200b\"We are in a magnetic region unlike any we've been in before -- about 10 times more intense than before the termination shock -- but the magnetic field data show no indication we're in interstellar space,\" said Leonard Burlaga, a Voyager magnetometer team member based at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. \"The magnetic field data turned out to be the key to pinpointing when we crossed the termination shock. And we expect these data will tell us when we first reach interstellar space.\"{...}NASA News Release:RELEASE : 12-416 - NASA Voyager 1 Probe Encounters New Region in Deep SpaceFlorida Today:NASA: Voyager 1 enters new region of solar systemSPACE.com:Voyager 1 Spacecraft Enters New Realm at Solar System's EdgeSlate - Bad Astronomy:Voyager 1 Spacecraft on the Doorstep to Interstellar SpaceScience Daily:NASA Voyager 1 Encounters New Region in Deep SpaceDiscovery News:Voyager 1 Can 'Taste' the Interstellar ShoreSpaceRef:Voyager 1 Encounters New Region in Deep SpaceUniverse Today:Voyager 1 Riding on a Magnetic Highway Out of the Solar SystemCBS News Space:Voyager enters unexpected region near edge of interstellar spaceFlorida Today:NASA's Voyager 1 cruises on magnetic highway to interstellar spaceRIA Novosti:NASA\u2019s Voyager 1 Enters New Region in Deep SpaceSpace Travel:NASA Voyager 1 Encounters New Region in Deep Space", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.795755264Z", "author": "Thunder Chicken", "date": "2012-08-06T06:03:58+0100", "id": "a463b7117da017cd084b54845e3527bf", "post_id": "post-251526", "text": "Damn...how didn't I know about Eyes before? I'm trying to download all the viewers now...not good.Lucky peanuts have been distributed.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.479386112Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-07-13T20:50:00+0100", "id": "4fba81ffa36663a5d0e1899405a3ca64", "post_id": "post-218399", "text": "SiameseCat said:I haven't tried it myself, but the AutoFCS reentry guidance will probably work. The deorbit burn and RCS attitude control will have to be done manually.As a worst case scenario, I think you could turn off the AFCS autopilot and fly the shuttle manually, using the HUD flight director drawn by AutoFCS.\n\nThe problem is that it is impossible to maintain the 40\u00b0 AOA throughout the entry manually without the DAP while also maintaining the proper bank angle. Which leads you off-course and if we simulated destruction of the vehicle, that as well due to the incorrect AOA.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.951349248Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-05-02T21:51:41+0100", "id": "fd39a6438d0e8ffb5609ded99b5da808", "post_id": "post-221345", "text": "maybe you could disable some modules and only activate the stock modules", "thread_id": 14092 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.938876672Z", "author": "Turbo", "date": "2012-08-07T01:55:59+0100", "id": "c67c3b801e3d79dac39c44850d11e233", "post_id": "post-251737", "text": "Simply Amazing! That is one awsome youtube vid!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.542168576Z", "author": "Goth", "date": "2010-04-21T17:35:20+0100", "id": "ab80d595bf4aa0896793eee48be27ba8", "post_id": "post-218516", "text": "T.Neo said:Acceleration beyond C is impossible.\n\nTrue, your velocity will simply decrease from C while coming out from the white hole, if even there is one.Isn't flying through a wormhole and flying into a black hole two separate things?\n\nIf you talk about fictional wormholes you can decide how it works and you can make it behave in a very different way from how a black hole works. Who cares, it is fictional! But if you talk about hypothetical real wormholes, I can't imagine them working in any different way of a black hole, \"impossibility to travel inside them\" included.Linguofreak said:But General Relativity treats gravity as space \"moving\"(*), and \"c as a speed limit\" applies to the velocities of objects \"relative to space\"(*), not to space itself\n\nJust trying to clarify: space do not move, space bend itself, and this cause gravity. You're right saying speed limit is only for objects, but this is because space doesn't move: when you say space is moving at C around the black holes, this is not correct, space simply is bent very deeply. Inside the singularity, space do not move beyond C, it's simply bent at the infinity, it's something like \"void\", wich may get to a white hole, let's say. You can't escape from the singularity because you fall on that void, not because the space is travelling at a velocity greater then C.So the sentence of T.Neo it's correct: nothing can go beyond C.This is easier to understand if you don't think at C as a weird limit, but you understand why this limit exists. It is not properly a limit, it's simply a mathematical way to explain how stuff works in the space-time environment, wich if looked from the outside, it's a static 4-dimensional thing.Just imagine space has a sort of friction.In a certain sense you can say space is bending itself with a certain velocity, but relatively to what? Imho it's an instantaneous act: you place a star on a place, and the space instantly set itself to hold this new matter, bending itself so object around fall to the star (gravity).Just my view of the Universe, feel free to debate.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.073284864Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-05-03T07:48:09+0100", "id": "0cd3102baab2bb72f391983c8328ed42", "post_id": "post-221378", "text": "Why were they attempting to launch in so strong wind?", "thread_id": 14099 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.983092992Z", "author": "Codz", "date": "2012-08-09T19:09:04+0100", "id": "537dafbb23b54d145ff2295d7857ba18", "post_id": "post-251800", "text": "Here's a beautiful shot of the crater rim.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.860011776Z", "author": "4throck", "date": "2010-04-17T16:17:10+0100", "id": "9979b640568092593a01f2a23cfb782f", "post_id": "post-217743", "text": "This is enought to get the general impression of the capsule's interior. It's a small space so a 3D VC might not be that interesting. I'd go for a nice 2D one split in two parts: the main panel in front of you and the Vizor at your feet so that you can look out.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.16264832Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-03T18:58:22+0100", "id": "b0543ca91e9e070dcb614d97cc4aecb4", "post_id": "post-221424", "text": "Right. History is written by victors.[EDIT]Ah, BTW - that table of contents in OOo is visible in the left panel, where if no table is present, you only see pages miniatures. It's quite comfortable to be able to click on that panel to move quickly to the topics that interest you", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.010623744Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2012-11-21T18:15:05+0000", "id": "07f3d2a39ff4700f765f64c23346e97f", "post_id": "post-252018", "text": "Keatah said:Pffaggh.. Some sort of gas concentration or new kind of radiation or something equally dumb. I hate these announcements and pay little attention to them anymore. Especially after what they announced in the past. None of it was exciting to the layperson.\n\nMy thoughts too!!!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.177438464Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-04-18T11:06:40+0100", "id": "766b66220eba396212a9fee856da71d1", "post_id": "post-218024", "text": "Nice to see Renault on 5th position:DMaybe in this season and this team Robert Kubica will achieve more than in last.", "thread_id": 13889 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.478406656Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-05-10T22:13:35+0100", "id": "3561d686f1fd20781b0e7399065a13ec", "post_id": "post-221843", "text": "So at least for a circular orbit, planetary orbital radius increases linearly with decreasing mass of the star. Hope this helps!\n\nif it can be sayd about the radius in a circular orbit, shouldn't the statement also be aplicable to the semi-major axis of an eliptical orbit (at least assuming that the mass-loss happens at an apsis. Since the mass-loss will be gradual anyways, it won't make that much of a difference).1. The orbital energy is NOT constant in this case!\n\nYeah, since the mass of the star is a part of the formula, it can't possibly remain constant. An interesting question would be, where the heck does that energy go? It's not really relevant to the problem at hand, but it would still be interesting to know. I mean, it has to go SOMEWHERE, doesn't it?P.S.Orbital energy is E = - G M m \/ 2aand not - G (M+m) \/ 2a\n\nAre you positively sure about this? the standard gravitational Parameter is GM + Gm, which makes G(M+m). Multiplying seems a bit strange here...", "thread_id": 14135 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.039318272Z", "author": "Ripley", "date": "2014-02-03T22:39:10+0000", "id": "259aa1c52efff2ab87e58af591d88fb5", "post_id": "post-252158", "text": "So it's just an unbelievable, shortsighted, prosaic miscalculation (human error) of load\/resistance made at project stage?I can't believe that! :shrug:Maybe a few more millimeters of thickness could have avoided this.Ok, that's rocket science and it's not an easy task, dV, weight...all that.It's just too early to \"fall apart\".", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.508738304Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-04-26T19:29:55+0100", "id": "64c1579d4d13e014814b0bcba0bafe52", "post_id": "post-218438", "text": "garyw said:I think 135 is off the cards now as there hasn't been any agreement for funding for it. I've also not seen any crew listed for 135 which means no training for that crew has been put into motion and as it's normally over a year before an assigned crew flies this would put 135 into May of 2011. Not going to happen.\n\nNoooooo, I won't hear it!:cry:---------- Post added at 07:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:48 PM ----------A good thing about STS-134 flying in Nov. is that STS-134 CDR Mark Kelly will get to fly in space with his twin brother, ISS CDR Scott Kelly! It will be the first time in history that twins have been in space together! :thumbup:Both Mark Kelly & Scott Kelly are providing public updates on their training via Twitter!www.twitter.com\/ShuttleCDRKelly<- Mark Kelly.www.twitter.com\/StationCDRKelly<- Scott Kelly.", "thread_id": 13922 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.478483712Z", "author": "Sky IsNoLimit", "date": "2010-05-10T23:58:11+0100", "id": "68c007b162d93f2380e68b472816bc59", "post_id": "post-221844", "text": "Are you positively sure about this?\n\nJust look here, wikipedia article about specific orbital energy:http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Specific_orbital_energySince specific energy is defined as the amount of energy per unit mass, the total orbital energy of an orbiting body is its specific orbital energy multiplied by its total mass.And so, with e being the specific orbital energy:E = e m = - (G M \/ 2a ) mif it can be sayd about the radius in a circular orbit, shouldn't the statement also be aplicable to the semi-major axis of an eliptical orbit (at least assuming that the mass-loss happens at an apsis. Since the mass-loss will be gradual anyways, it won't make that much of a difference).\n\nFor a slow and continuous mass removal I think so too. At least every orbit that has the same angular momentum in principal, should be valid. The exact shape of the orbit would be determined by the way and how fast the star looses its mass. (I'm just speculating here, maybe some kind of simulation would clarify this).", "thread_id": 14135 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.500124416Z", "author": "Juanelm", "date": "2010-09-01T15:24:03+0100", "id": "5ae0019daa988aae91843f3d82e60ffa", "post_id": "post-252698", "text": "I started using it about a week ago. There is a Dropbox App for the Iphone; whith the app you can take pictures and save them directly to the dropbox. That way my family and friends can have the pictures instantly on their computers, and I don't have to periodically upload photos to my desktop. It works well.", "thread_id": 16321 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.532185344Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-20T14:33:40+0100", "id": "7abe7c0e60b66587ecaaad2f5ebf8069", "post_id": "post-218478", "text": "N_Molson said:But in general, it works very well, even if everyone complains about it (it's the French way of life).\n\nI thought professional complaining about everything is the German way of life. :lol:", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.626757888Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-07T22:15:25+0100", "id": "3d5ece905e1ea44b64b9fc116bbfcb2a", "post_id": "post-222064", "text": "dbeachy1 said:Hmm, it never occurred to me to take off conventionally on Mars -- that's a lot of velocity! :lol: I'll add a note about it for a future version, but it could be tricky to calculate the optimum rotation velocity based on wing area, ship mass, and atmospheric density. Currently the callout threshold is just linked to a fixed velocity.\n\nYou could probably \"guesstimate\" it by figuring out what dynamic pressure the current Vr on Earth arrive at, then having it play at that dynamic pressure instead of that airspeed. Might not be perfect, but it'll be a lot closer to correct than it is currently. Alternately, a quickequivalent airspeedcalculation might lead to a more accurate result. For Mars it is a little odd, but one could imagine having a planet which is closer to Earth's atmosphere but still thin enough that trying to rotate at the \"rotate\" callout would be too early.And thanks again for your excellent NoseWheelSteering add-on -- that was a brilliant idea!:)\n\nNo problem, and thanks! Ships like the XR series deserve to be able to be driven around an airport without driving off into the mountain because you can't make the turn onto the taxiway:)", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.765833472Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-07-31T10:16:36+0100", "id": "c0d7e7a2bfa28cba0886f16e39240d76", "post_id": "post-251431", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Announces News Activities for Mars LandingJuly 30, 2012PASADENA, Calif. - The public is invited to tune in for a series of news briefings from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., for the upcoming landing of NASA's Curiosity rover on Mars.NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission will deliver the nearly 2,000-pound (1-ton), car-size robotic roving laboratory to the surface of Mars at 10:31 p.m. PDT Aug. 5 (1:31 a.m. EDT Aug. 6). Curiosity's landing will mark the start of a two-year prime mission to investigate whether one of the most intriguing places on Mars ever has offered an environment favorable for microbial life.News Briefing and Televised Event ScheduleNews briefings will be held at JPL beginning Thursday, Aug. 2, and carried live on NASA Television. Additional events, including a NASA Social Media event Aug. 1 and landing commentary Aug. 5, will be televised. A full schedule of live news briefings is available at:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/ntvnewsandhttp:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/msl.The schedule of events below is subject to change. All times are PDT.Thursday, Aug. 210 a.m. -- Mission Science Overview News Briefing11 a.m. -- Mission Engineering Overview News BriefingFriday, Aug. 39:30 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. -- NASA SocialSaturday, Aug. 49:30 a.m. -- Prelanding Update and Entry, Descent and Landing (EDL)Overview News BriefingSunday, Aug. 59:30 a.m. -- Final Prelanding Update News Briefing3 p.m. -- NASA Science News Briefing8:30 p.m. to about 11 p.m. -- Landing Commentary No. 1No earlier than 11:15 p.m. -- Post-landing News BriefingMonday, Aug. 612:30 to 1:30 a.m. -- Landing Commentary No. 29 a.m. -- Landing Recap News Briefing4 p.m. -- Possible New Images News BriefingTuesday, Aug. 710 a.m. -- News BriefingWednesday, Aug. 810 a.m. -- News BriefingThursday, Aug. 910 a.m. -- News BriefingFriday, Aug. 1010 a.m. (tentative) -- News BriefingFor information on how to watch NASA TV, visit:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/ntv. The televised events will also be streamed live online at:http:\/\/www.Ustream.tv\/nasa.NASA Television Commentary FeedsTwo live feeds during key landing activities from mission control at JPL will be carried on NASA TV and on the Web from 8:30 to 11 p.m. PDT Aug. 5, and from 12:30 to 1:30 a.m. PDT Aug. 6. The NASA TV Public Channel andhttp:\/\/www.ustream.tv\/nasajplwill carry a feed including commentary and interviews.The NASA TV Media Channel andhttp:\/\/www.ustream.tv\/nasajpl2will carry an uninterrupted, clean feed with only mission audio.Online InformationExtensive information on the Mars Science Laboratory mission, including an electronic copy of the press kit, news releases, fact sheets, status reports, briefing schedule and images, is available at:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/msl.For more information about NASA's Mars program, visit:http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/mars.The public can follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter at:http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/marscuriosityandhttp:\/\/www.twitter.com\/marscuriosity.{...}The Planetary Society Blog:Press briefing schedule for Curiosity (assuming a nominal landing)SPACE.com:NASA's Huge New Mars Rover Targets Biggest Red Planet MysteriesParabolic Arc:Planetfest 2012 to Celebrate Curiosity LandingCome Celebrate the Curiosity Landing in PasadenaCBS News Space:Mars Science Lab poised for trail-blazing missionMars relay sats will confirm rover's landingCuriosity relies on untried 'sky crane' for descent to Mars", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.541923072Z", "author": "Fizyk", "date": "2010-04-21T17:13:23+0100", "id": "034f9939a74e8091e5fba7612fb18812", "post_id": "post-218514", "text": "Linguofreak said:An Einstein-Rosen bridge *is* a black hole (or rather, a pair of Schwarzschild BH's, glued together at the horizon).\n\nOk, right, my bad. Although it's still not exactly two black holes, but a black hole and a white hole, and it's one-way only:p", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.627144704Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-05-08T03:50:47+0100", "id": "3edf7b26902fe094fa483607aaaa0842", "post_id": "post-222067", "text": "I forgot to install UMMU before I started testing. It spits up the error message, but since I was loading fullscreen I didn't see it, it just hung there and didn't look like it was doing anything. Just a note.Also, while in fullscreen at 1024x768 the \"data hud\" display disappears off the bottom of the screen.", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.021091328Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-10-16T01:26:19+0100", "id": "7d41dfbdcf932b88f12c039f99cb14a1", "post_id": "post-251200", "text": "Universe Today:Mars Science Laboratory\u2019s Gateway to Space \u2013 The Atlas Spaceflight Operations Center", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.890916352Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-30T01:35:55+0100", "id": "a1cf21d527516ce8766eb760b6829922", "post_id": "post-217839", "text": "Aviation Week:ESA Pushes To Meet ATV-2 Docking Deadline:PARIS \u2014 European Space Agency officials are reasonably sure they can meet a late February docking window for the second Automated Transfer Vehicle, which is needed for an International Space Station (ISS) reboost mission.The next reboost is needed by mid-2011 to prevent the ISS from descending too low and risking atmospheric re-entry. The space shuttle and Progress resupply ship, as well as the station itself, can perform reboost maneuvers, but the ATV can move it much higher, significantly reducing drag and improving operating efficiencies....\n\n", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.65683072Z", "author": "zerofay32", "date": "2010-05-08T05:33:43+0100", "id": "e82d16b781178ab87fe72083a7d00182", "post_id": "post-222112", "text": "This is too cool. I may be a poor college student but I got to get that. I had the original shuttle set back in the day.", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.023269888Z", "author": "Mattyv", "date": "2013-08-02T20:35:04+0100", "id": "7895ce909b3d860d77812cc27e174c39", "post_id": "post-252099", "text": "Can't get it to inbed but...Twelve Months in Two Minutes; Curiosity's First Year on Mars - YouTube", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.894933248Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-10T20:31:15+0000", "id": "32def6b3ae2d42614de3afddd5fc1ced", "post_id": "post-217867", "text": "NASA TV Video: ATV-2 Interview with Michael Suffredini.\u200b[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_e2TCdbbo-I\"]YouTube - ATV2 Interview with Michael Suffredini[\/ame]", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.730759424Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-09T00:15:03+0100", "id": "6151af4704a852233ab0b83392bc5035", "post_id": "post-222188", "text": "cymrych said:Sorry fellas, but ... Go Pens! We wanna to be the team to knock off the Flyers next, lol!! (Thanks for taking care of the Devils for us in the 1st round; they've been giving us trouble this year:thumbup:)\n\nLike I said, I don't think you'll get the chance, as the Bruins are doing it to the Flyers now. The Flyers just don't look like Cup material to me this year.But if Philly somehow rallies to win it in 7, bring it!:tiphat:---------- Post added at 07:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:13 PM ----------BTW, it's a shame that Philly and Pittsburgh can't ever meet in the finals. I was hoping for a Pennsylvania Superbowl between the Eagles and Steelers not too long ago. A Keystone Cup would be beast.", "thread_id": 14162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.045972736Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2018-02-01T08:58:49+0000", "id": "4cd576abf6def2b88619e9d6522e893c", "post_id": "post-252210", "text": "As it says in the end of the video, the colors were white-balanced to appear as if it was on Earth, to help geologists identify stuff.So, nope. Not true color.I can, however, make a prediction that this or similar image would end up on conspiracy theorists's sites with claims of coverup of... something... on Mars.:(", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.13463936Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-19T10:24:12+0100", "id": "d2ec8267f735ceb730e89aaa24a427df", "post_id": "post-217993", "text": "One advantage HLV has is larger diameter and longer payload fairing which makes things much easier when you for example want to build serious interplanetary mission. A missions to Moon and NEO`s could be supported by current EELV`s if propellant depots are used, but what about Mars? Most plans call for surface stays for over a year so you need some serious habitation module that can enter Martian atmosphere and land. Can such a module be made of small pieces launched by medium rockets without sacrificing reliability or making costs exploding out of control?Another heavy payload that comes to mind is nuclear reactors to power electric propulsion. A fast Mars mission needs ~200 MW of electrical power. Larger nuclear reactors tend to be more efficient than smaller ones when it comes to power to weight ratio so it would be advantageous to have 2 - 3 large reactors than dozens of small ones supplying needed 200 MW. A mission to asteorid belt may require even more electrical power to cut down time crew spends in transit.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.843262208Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2018-04-06T22:09:02+0100", "id": "eb0b86114291f650d7b1ddedd48915a8", "post_id": "post-222318", "text": "Andy44 said:Wow, you can really see the dramatic plane change of Voyager 2's trajectory there!\n\nVoyager 1 went \"up\" at Saturn to get to Titan, and Voyager 2 went \"down\" at Neptune (it flew right over the North pole there) to get to Triton.FYI: \"getting there\" means not only a close fly-by, but also a trajectory such that the spacecraft gets both a Sun occultation and an Earth occultation.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.160256256Z", "author": "unussapiens", "date": "2008-05-27T08:43:55+0100", "id": "991678a3cf388d0e4910614add98a6f0", "post_id": "post-69033", "text": "2nd November1993 - I was born2000 - First crew arrives at ISS", "thread_id": 1628 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.135120896Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-19T11:08:27+0100", "id": "c7b13d49a0726b8bf6e7a568ffa9ba32", "post_id": "post-217996", "text": "Urwumpe said:Strangely, we can build serious houses with trucks, that can only transport a much smaller envelope. And it does not seem much easier to build complete houses in a factory far away and transport the houses to their location.\n\nDoing equivalent in space would mean either developing robots that can build your ship or accept many many eva hours which would expose astronauts to risk of being hit by some random junk flying in LEO.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.99222912Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-23T01:40:35+0100", "id": "e0cd621bc78963d8442803bd1bcf3003", "post_id": "post-251872", "text": "I don't think the sensor and connective flex wiring is much at fault. It's perfectly acceptable to use a delicate low-thermal-inertia sensor in an environment where things aren't going to be touching it. It's not like there are space aliens to throw rocks around and damage it. Nor is it going to be handled and put away in a drawer after every use. It doesn't need to be armored. The problem was how it was integrated into the vehicle. So whoever designed the mounting and chose the position where it was mounted, that's where the blame goes.This wind-sensor is basically the same material as the sensor inside your DSLR or the sensor in the mastcams. But the camera stuff is thoroughly shielded by necessity. You certainly don't want dust in the lens.What happened here is the equivalent of you changing the lens on your DSLR while sitting next to a jackhammer at a construction site. Common sense dictates you'd turn your back to the flying debris. Or change it later when the sensor isn't exposed to flying debris.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.309540864Z", "author": "Eagle1Division", "date": "2011-04-29T04:09:47+0100", "id": "291bf01ff5a10f81acc74d363d9f2665", "post_id": "post-218139", "text": "XSSA said:I'm on my way to releasing a version of the ISV Venture Star and Valkyrie Space Shuttle. Still need to write a config file and convert the .skp's to .msh.\n\nSweet! The ISV Venture star is a personal favorite! I've tried searching for a mod of it before, only to find there wasn't one to my disappointment!Any chance I could work with the exhaust SFX? The Exhaust plumes from that clip were amazing!And back to the design, okay, there are two huge flat structures, one at each end. One is a whipple shield... but what's the other? The Exhaust just barely misses it at each side, why is it there? (In the video that shows it leaving Pandora)Oh, and I finally found the picture with three whipple shields.I'm confused. How isthisthe same thing asThe Venture Star as I saw it in the movie?Those two don't look alike at all, to me.Hlynkacg said:for those who are interested I started a thread to discuss the Spacecraft's hypothetical specifications here.http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=21823\n\nNot the same as theVenture Star...", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.038323456Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-05-03T05:13:12+0100", "id": "10d41b020b2075bf03f84b6be57c7c34", "post_id": "post-221363", "text": "Ghostrider said:Nothing will keep anyone from warmongering. If the local populace won't do, they'll hire mercs. It's a time-honoured tradition.\n\nEh, Halliburton and Blackwater already get all of our money.", "thread_id": 14097 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.18504192Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-08-26T21:37:38+0100", "id": "cecfa19aa8471796be3257d5f949b80c", "post_id": "post-221473", "text": "I'd expect the 12mm with the 1.5 Barlow to give some reasonable views... If you get another chance, try both the 12mm and the 4mm (during one pass, if possible) and see what you get.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.03852032Z", "author": "Hartmann", "date": "2013-12-23T16:32:18+0000", "id": "c4b0f30ccdebc08e7a79b0ecb7cb0743", "post_id": "post-252148", "text": "The rover wheels seems to have excessive wear in the rough surface of mars.Its not critical but could cause concern in the future when the rover arrive at the Aeolis monsThey would need to be more careful driving with re-routing if necessary.http:\/\/www.space.com\/24049-mars-rover-curiosity-wheel-wear.html", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.476462592Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-05-01T01:14:03+0100", "id": "aee176bedb7de0378ac34c415e4a9d43", "post_id": "post-218370", "text": "Any one???? How can I find how much delta V I need to change for a specific altitude change???", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.922772224Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-05-05T09:47:28+0100", "id": "3d7d1bb95e18a7cb07bd8a99dcd92ea2", "post_id": "post-221282", "text": "In a nutshell nothing unusual happensOk, Cockpit of the DG seems ok, but the current lack of ISS is concerningShuttle-A seems to work, some text on the 2D panel is offset(ripped) stillThe MFD problem I had before is goneThe yellow text is back but looks rubbish, should I use Vista Boost (clear text off)General Question, are the Function Key menus implemented yet? Only F1, F7 and F8 work", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.641119488Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-03T21:26:47+0100", "id": "a17ed154cd8ee23147671f74eb5a97b7", "post_id": "post-253057", "text": "There's a bunch of:probe:that have been launched to study the Sun, but I'm not sure if any of them burned :Pioneer 5, 6, 7, 8, 9Explorer 49Helios 1YohkohHelios 2UlyssesSoho...", "thread_id": 16343 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.898329856Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-02-15T22:19:48+0000", "id": "a08e5804110fc37c052981356a7f7193", "post_id": "post-217883", "text": "Noooo they posponed it\n\nWell, a one-day postpone is better than having an ATV2 burning over the indian ocean, caused by a unfilled tank...That kind of event is common in modern rocketry, where the wise motto is \"better safe than sorry\".---------- Post added at 10:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ----------Ariane 5 blastoff scrubbed minutes before launchLaunch of the European Space Agency's automated cargo freighter for the International Space Station was scrubbed four minutes before liftoff by a technical issue with the Ariane 5 rocket's fueling system. European officials hope to try again Wednesday at 2150 GMT (4:50 p.m. EST) if the problem can be resolved.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.175856384Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-05-03T22:07:42+0100", "id": "fb187d0b59d41a7761e5db4a180aa70a", "post_id": "post-221437", "text": "Hi everyone,There was a -3.1 ISS pass over Lincolnshire this evening, and I looked at it through my telescope. It was fantastic! With just manual control, I could see the solar panels very clearly, with the trusses connecting them to the easily visible modules in the middle. It is amazing what you can see when you look up.George.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.67692672Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2008-09-07T23:56:45+0100", "id": "9603cdc6af7698577dc2f70fcc9f15d0", "post_id": "post-69127", "text": "Urwumpe said:How many polys do three of them have?\n\nAbout 21k(7k each).", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.881100288Z", "author": "rucinter", "date": "2010-04-16T21:47:01+0100", "id": "6ba45730415c2a87fb03db66fe146996", "post_id": "post-217809", "text": "ar81 said:Orbiter has lots of replayability value.\n\nThat's true. I've started playing Orbiter when it was at version 2005. Then forget about it. Came back. Forget it. And so on. At the beginning, I loved Shuttle-A. Then, I embraced the real Shuttle. A few moths ago, I was into historical mission. Now, thanks to Dave and the wonderful Shuttle Fleet, I'm back to the Shuttle and ISS. There are so much things I haven't done, like seriously going beyond LEO or seriously playing an Apollo mission. There are a lot to do in Orbiter and there will be fun things to do in the future also.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.234134016Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-05-04T17:39:13+0100", "id": "7e859485b70dd5e62126882c3a943163", "post_id": "post-221537", "text": "MeDiCS, I would agree. In my opinion, in the last ten years we've gone from \"anybody who's anybody or wants people to notice their product, service, etc, has to have a website\" to \"has to have a facebook page.\"In fact, most television commercials now (at least in my area) have gone from listing the website at the bottom to displaying and some even announcing \"follow us on facebook and twitter.\"", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.992822272Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-23T08:20:17+0100", "id": "76d6bf62dbff1ec58e815fe6d4619ce0", "post_id": "post-251878", "text": "The sensor's responsiveness to different windspeeds would be less if there was a grating or screen over it. So it should have been protected until ready for use. OR, a less sophisticated but inherently more durable sensor could have been utilized. But then progress stagnates.I digress, empty out the ashtray, re-work your science program. The mission goes on..", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.916852992Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-02-17T15:01:03+0000", "id": "369c882be84a521e61825816dbbcb0a5", "post_id": "post-217902", "text": "Lunar_Lander said:Is that also the reason for the deployment taking almost 10 minutes? The ATV engineer in the commentary talked about a spring system and a \"blade\" but I did not get his message there completely.\n\nYes, that is essentially how it works. The panels are pretty much \"tied\" into launch configuration and the latch being destroyed by a pyro-cutter, some sort of a explosive guillotine.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.659674624Z", "author": "Pilot7893", "date": "2010-05-09T02:46:22+0100", "id": "dba5f052e1c8a4e3245337d744be968f", "post_id": "post-222131", "text": "Well, I know what I'm saving up for now.", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.007419648Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-31T20:16:11+0000", "id": "3212a009cb1f81f754fa45164c1ab8db", "post_id": "post-251981", "text": "Universe Today:Curiosity Rover Takes an Incredible Self-PortraitThe Planetary Society Blog:Getting up to speed with Curiosity as of sol 84, and two awesome mosaics", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.135555072Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-19T11:48:26+0100", "id": "c8e9fdb14b3b2f9701ba1dcd1e396c9f", "post_id": "post-217999", "text": "And also: Is in orbit assembly really a useless risky technology or maybe a basic technology for long-distance spaceflight, that needs to be practiced as good as possible to become routine?", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.746719488Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-05-17T13:15:12+0100", "id": "893bf1e97c48c66a7ed35f4275f1ace2", "post_id": "post-222208", "text": "Has anyone managed to compile this?And if you have, can you please attach a picture showing where the boosters appear. Being unable to compile files of your own creation is a real hold up.", "thread_id": 14167 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.060781568Z", "author": "Screamer7", "date": "2011-11-26T14:55:01+0000", "id": "1c28182c930b1ee309f658e16f525914", "post_id": "post-251255", "text": "I am also watching...............................", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.508608256Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-04-26T18:13:39+0100", "id": "b0f2468fb1399776ca579e78350cdb1c", "post_id": "post-218436", "text": "Per NASASpaceFlight:. STS-132 remaining May 14 with Discovery as LON.. STS-133 remaining Sep. 2010 with Discovery & same crew.. STS-134 now NET Nov. 2010 with Endeavour & same crew, making STS-134 the final Space Shuttle flight. AMS-02's Cryomagnet will be replaced with AMS-01's permanent magnet.No mention of STS-135.:(", "thread_id": 13922 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.038837248Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-03T16:50:15+0100", "id": "d43d4c4e74db6b1da5cf165ebdbc72ed", "post_id": "post-221367", "text": "Andy44 said:The general is complaining because he can't find enough fit cannon fodder.\n\nCuriously, it's something like that here too. Not enough healthy young people. And, they are going to fill the blanks with people from first years of universities and like, pretty much lobotomising the next generation.What is an army good for anyway? Paint the grass green and snow white ahead of the big guests?", "thread_id": 14097 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.733013248Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-12-13T22:14:13+0000", "id": "34acedd5bf13add1c257115b391cfd2b", "post_id": "post-251339", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:NASA Mars-Bound Rover Begins Research in SpaceDecember 13, 2011PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's car-sized Curiosity rover has begun monitoring space radiation during its 8-month trip from Earth to Mars. The research will aid in planning for future human missions to the Red Planet.Curiosity launched on Nov. 26 from Cape Canaveral, Fla., aboard the Mars Science Laboratory. The rover carries an instrument called the Radiation Assessment Detector (RAD) that monitors high-energy atomic and subatomic particles from the sun, distant supernovas and other sources.These particles constitute radiation that could be harmful to any microbes or astronauts in space or on Mars. The rover also will monitor radiation on the surface of Mars after its August 2012 landing.\"RAD is serving as a proxy for an astronaut inside a spacecraft on the way to Mars,\" said Don Hassler, RAD's principal investigator from the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo. \"The instrument is deep inside the spacecraft, the way an astronaut would be. Understanding the effects of the spacecraft on the radiation field will be valuable in designing craft for astronauts to travel to Mars.\"Click on image for details\u200bThis is an artist's concept of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft during its cruise phase between launch and final approach to Mars. The spacecraft includes a disc-shaped cruise stage (on the left) attached to the aeroshell. The spacecraft's rover (Curiosity) and descent stage are tucked inside the aeroshell.\u200bImage credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\u200bRelated Video\u200bPrevious monitoring of energetic-particle radiation in space has used instruments at or near the surface of various spacecraft. The RAD instrument is on the rover inside the spacecraft and shielded by other components of Mars Science Laboratory, including the aeroshell that will protect the rover during descent through the upper atmosphere of Mars.Spacecraft structures, while providing shielding, also can contribute to secondary particles generated when high-energy particles strike the spacecraft. In some circumstances, secondary particles could be more hazardous than primary ones.These first measurements mark the start of the science return from a mission that will use 10 instruments on Curiosity to assess whether Mars' Gale Crater could be or has been favorable for microbial life.\"While Curiosity will not look for signs of life on Mars, what it might find could be a game-changer about the origin and evolution of life on Earth and elsewhere in the universe,\" said Doug McCuistion, director of the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington. \"One thing is certain: The rover's discoveries will provide critical data that will impact human and robotic planning and research for decades.\"As of 9 a.m. PST (noon EST) on Dec. 14, the spacecraft will have traveled 31.9 million miles (51.3 million kilometers) of its 352-million-mile (567-million-kilometer) flight to Mars. The first trajectory correction maneuver during the trip is being planned for mid-January.{...}NASA Press Release:RELEASE : 11-414 - NASA Mars-Bound Rover Begins Research in SpaceSpaceflight Now:Mars-bound rover previewing the experience for astronautsDiscovery News:Mars Rover Curiosity Begins Space Radiation Work", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.552354048Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-20T16:24:24+0100", "id": "dda05e74370c43a9d1ce438c836d5196", "post_id": "post-218546", "text": "Just live through it.", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.162095616Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-03T18:28:03+0100", "id": "2f67b6b830e001b53abeb33cd965c596", "post_id": "post-221419", "text": "MeDiCS said:Yes.-Sound, video and drivers in general rely on the OS.-AFAIK, an OS doesn't rely on the BIOS except for startup processes.-API is not properly explained, and may not even be needed.-OpenGL is not Nvidia's.-The evolution of the OSes is dead inaccurate. Where's OS\/2? Windows-family and Unix-family of OSes aren't the only ones in existence.-Sources missing.In general, it's hard to read and understand, there lots of other bugs, and it isn't clear what's your target audience (use of non-technical and very-technical terms together).\n\nHow would you explain API? Graphics rely on API, not on direct calls to hardware drivers.What other OS families should be worth mentioning? Where do they come from?---------- Post added at 05:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:23 PM ----------Enjo said:Sorry but I don't have time for essence review, so I can't tell much except for these three critical words -I have no idea why I should use the wrappers from the last pages. Some description is necessaryFor completeness, I would absolutely put info about ScummVM, which technically is in no way emulating old hardware, but it lets you flawlessly play old games which is the point of interest of the majority of your readersIf you created that PDF in OpenOffice, you could export the table of contents along with the text. If you're interested in this, then let me know and I'll tell you how to do it. It's not that intuitive\n\nWrappers are useful when games were made for 3DFX. Perhaps I should mention it.I do not know anything about ScummVM since I have never used it. Where could I find more info?I used Word, not Open Office, and then printed as PDF. Perhaps I should move to OO.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.78497024Z", "author": "orbitingpluto", "date": "2012-08-05T02:44:00+0100", "id": "2ab24af6dc3554808b50008dbc1a604e", "post_id": "post-251466", "text": "Keatah said:On a different note, I think Planters Peanuts are the official snack to eat while watching the EDL ops.\n\nIt's a tradition dating back to the days of Ranger. Whether or not it's lucky I don't know, but for me I think it is handy to have some peanuts to open and eat during tense bits. Something to do, you know.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.621040896Z", "author": "MetalheadOC", "date": "2011-10-27T06:42:09+0100", "id": "bffcd43e2ff29e5d6e79911750849888", "post_id": "post-218659", "text": "mjanicki said:Unfortunately, not likely. All of that Mir's functionality comes from the Spacecraft3 module, so if you changed it over to the StationUCGO module, you'd lose all the other features of the vessel. The only way it would really work would be for me to completely recreate Spacecraft3, or for some sort of Spacecraft4 to incorporate the UMMU and UCGO features. Sorry.-- Mike\n\nHi, I'm trying to get this to work with a Velco Proton 3rd stage, and I get nothing. Could it be related to this fellow's question?", "thread_id": 13942 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.428000512Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-06T18:45:33+0100", "id": "28b9cac0ebba3ac629211f5e865d612f", "post_id": "post-221798", "text": "Just as much as many men do a self-exclusion from many social jobs. I bet, there are even jobs, that YOU (points aimlessly into the forum) don't want to do.I don't want to be NASA administrator.While technology is important, there are also many important jobs that require no machines, despite being very advanced...", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.932340736Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-06-25T09:53:25+0100", "id": "3ae6c42c43f276ab722897fbd414222b", "post_id": "post-251165", "text": "Here is an embed video of it (same as posted by Orb)", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.309745408Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2011-04-29T06:21:20+0100", "id": "f3300dcc36341f7e9966376b42ec2699", "post_id": "post-218141", "text": "Eagle1Division said:And back to the design, okay, there are two huge flat structures, one at each end. One is a whipple shield... but what's the other? The Exhaust just barely misses it at each side, why is it there? (In the video that shows it leaving Pandora)Oh, and I finally found the picture with three whipple shields.I'm confused. How isthisthe same thing asThe Venture Star as I saw it in the movie?Those two don't look alike at all, to me.\n\nYes they are the same space craft, you're just looking at it \"Edge on\".As for not being the true ISV...The specs detailed by Cameron involve hideous amounts of Handwavium. As a result it is almost too powerful to properly model. The idea of the Skytrain project is to construct a spacecraft that is visually and functionally similary to the ISV Venture Star while staying within the bounds of current\/near future technology. (No Magic)", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.658644736Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-08T19:45:18+0100", "id": "7528788525dd23b4ddfca233d195f659", "post_id": "post-222124", "text": "*Drum roll please*Ladies & Gentlemen, I can now reveal that with careful modifications, you can make this........into THIS - ISS in its current configuration!!! :speakcool:This ISS is also capable of supporting future expansion, as I have included some \u201cdocking ports\u201d for future \"modules\" (which I have already built)!!!AND, as if that isn\u2019t enough, I have even adapted the Shuttle to add an ODS compatible with PMA-2!!!Just please don\u2019t ask me for the procedures for it, because I have no idea how I made it!!!;)(*This is geeky, I know. But hey, one of the most truthful quotes I ever heard was \"Geeks make the world go round\"!!! :thumbup:)", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.989836544Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2012-08-22T07:10:52+0100", "id": "17c075e07890ac756e38ddfe91ae61a1", "post_id": "post-251852", "text": "BBC article on the damaged wind sensor:http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/science-environment-19338870N.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.477587712Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-05-16T17:19:08+0100", "id": "c7c60722f6f610b60ec4996535418783", "post_id": "post-218381", "text": "Ok I figured how find out those info's on the IMFD but how do I use this to program my deorbit. I put in the values but where do I find the TIG and the Delta V. Also I am assuming the IMFD is in meters per second. Thank You", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.832479488Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-11-05T18:05:37+0000", "id": "ccb5eee235da2558259d751fa7391c38", "post_id": "post-222256", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Voyager 2 to Switch to Backup Thruster SetNovember 05, 2011Voyager Mission Status ReportNASA's Deep Space Network personnel sent commands to the Voyager 2 spacecraft Nov. 4 to switch to the backup set of thrusters that controls the roll of the spacecraft. Confirmation was received today that the spacecraft accepted the commands. The change will allow the 34-year-old spacecraft to reduce the amount of power it requires to operate and use previously unused thrusters as it continues its journey toward interstellar space, beyond our solar system.Launched in 1977, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are each equipped with six sets, or pairs, of thrusters to control their movement. These include three pairs of primary thrusters and three backup, or redundant, pairs. Voyager 2 is currently using the two pairs of backup thrusters that control the pitch and yaw motion of the spacecraft. Switching to the backup thruster pair that controls roll motion will allow engineers to turn off the heater that keeps the fuel line to the primary thruster warm. This will save about 12 watts of power. The spacecraft's power supply now provides about 270 watts of electricity. By reducing its power usage, the spacecraft can continue to operate for another decade even as its available power continues to decline.The thrusters involved in this switch have fired more than 318,000 times. The backup pair has not been used in flight. Voyager 1 changed to the backup for this same component after 353,000 pulses in 2004 and is now using all three sets of its backup thrusters.Voyager 2 will relay the results of the switch back to Earth on Nov. 13. The signal will arrive on Earth on Nov. 14. Voyager 2 is currently located about 9 billion miles (14 billion kilometers) from Earth in the \"heliosheath\" -- the outermost layer of the heliosphere where the solar wind, which streams out from the sun, is slowed by the pressure of interstellar gas.{...}", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.991609856Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2012-08-22T18:17:49+0100", "id": "619657caafad1a11fdbf6d6ff15e54f9", "post_id": "post-251867", "text": "orb said:Take a Look Through Curiosity\u2019s ChemCam\n\nWould it be able to see fossilized bacteria on the rocks?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.879353856Z", "author": "insanity", "date": "2010-04-16T15:57:52+0100", "id": "ebf01b678b0f56ad3436bb2e808b107b", "post_id": "post-217799", "text": "eveningsky339 said:I've been through this phase multiple times... I go from using my computer solely for Orbiter to not playing at all, and then back to Orbiter in full force. I also used to do this with FSX, though I haven't picked that back up for two years now.\n\nI know that feeling with FSX. A year and a half ago I made a round-the-world flight in the default mooney bravo and after that finished I put down FSX and only last week could I actually touch the controls again without going crazy.Orbiter is much the same. I'll go through periods where I don't even want to think about it, and periods where I play the hell out of it. Right now I've been doing some suborbital flights in an XR2 and thats been a bunch of fun", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.063967488Z", "author": "boogabooga", "date": "2011-11-26T15:50:29+0000", "id": "b086d4605e8d5583cd616f89479c0299", "post_id": "post-251275", "text": "N_Molson said:Passive Thermal Control. BBQ roll if you prefer.What's that?BTW, I wish they made more use of the on-board cameras. I would rather see more shots from actual space than the sub- Orbiter level animations.\n\n", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.895785728Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-02-15T19:10:18+0000", "id": "3204181750d03f4286dca08816169950", "post_id": "post-217872", "text": "Watch and enjoy:)[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=24-5_2lZKGk&feature=feedu\"]YouTube - Making of ATV-2[\/ame]", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.832621312Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2011-11-15T00:26:22+0000", "id": "c92f09f23eefb83e5fc6d4d53493e414", "post_id": "post-222258", "text": "Why'd they have to add the third backup? The other ones fail? Or degrade?", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.073184Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-05-03T07:32:26+0100", "id": "01b33f559a9844b6dd6d417979a0a4d2", "post_id": "post-221377", "text": "jinglesassy said:What attaching a weather balloon to a camera set to take pictures every few seconds isn't good enough?\n\nThe payload was a gamma-ray telescope (Nuclear Compton Telescope) designed \"to observe and map diffuse nuclear line emission from the galactic center\" (http:\/\/stratocat.com.ar\/fichas-e\/2009\/FSU-20090517.htm). I don't understand your comment but in any case the answer is \"no\" :shrug:", "thread_id": 14099 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.53938688Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-07T21:48:17+0100", "id": "1a6c886729cbc512c1ae21daea58568d", "post_id": "post-252854", "text": "Good, a strong reaction was required.", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.921298176Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-02-24T16:15:34+0000", "id": "59247a7ab668bb9e17bbf3fba1b6c4d7", "post_id": "post-217925", "text": "C3PO said:We need a metric commentator for NASA TV :lol:r-dot was 0.07, not 0.5:)Why is the docking camera off-set from the docking target at the point of contact? Is the visual alignment only used to check the automated approach?\n\nNo, actually the goal is just to keep the aim inside the dotted circle, as long as you keep this, the spacecraft is aligned. Perfection is not desired.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.093762816Z", "author": "ryan", "date": "2008-04-10T08:34:36+0100", "id": "cab83ed1ff2689c1fd3a24da490cdda0", "post_id": "post-12299", "text": "Bj said:All it sounds like is this guy trying to re-define time...:cheers:\n\nWhy would you want to re-define time?:rofl:", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.43557504Z", "author": "Zatnikitelman", "date": "2010-09-01T02:40:41+0100", "id": "110ddc80fe22c96834d67804db165d22", "post_id": "post-252523", "text": "Thanks Martin!!! And thanks for all the hard work you put into Orbiter!The new local lights feature is incredible. I especially love the exhaust-as-light source.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.922398464Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-02-24T18:06:37+0000", "id": "86f44f1747983375e0b22ec683e48960", "post_id": "post-217931", "text": "Excellent automatic navigation and perfectly smooth docking !! The size of this cargo is impressive :thumbup:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.162464512Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-03T18:43:06+0100", "id": "c3e3a159814acbb675a1d23d8e2e5b70", "post_id": "post-221422", "text": "ar81 said:Wrappers are useful when games were made for 3DFX. Perhaps I should mention it.\n\nThat's what I thought, but still, I'm a techie who was able to realise that. Just a few words of intro on that topic should be enoughar81 said:I do not know anything about ScummVM since I have never used it. Where could I find more info?\n\nHow aboutThe G Page?:)In a nutshell, it's a multiplaftorm reimplementation of interpreters of the original adventure games which are supported.The listis quite impressive.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.982608896Z", "author": "Topper", "date": "2012-08-09T18:21:39+0100", "id": "6f8385b6350b07b5f4ff1083e7047cc3", "post_id": "post-251796", "text": "first detailed high resolution color panorama...\"Gale Crater Vista, in Glorious ColorThis is the first 360-degree panorama in color of the Gale Crater landing site taken by NASA's Curiosity rover. The panorama was made from thumbnail versions of images taken by the Mast Camera. ...\"For source and more informations seehere.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.297691392Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2010-04-18T22:22:00+0100", "id": "00b35750edb0a4c468a5ca8b8504939c", "post_id": "post-218048", "text": "yes the scene when the ISV is aproaching to Plyphemus its quite beautyfull", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.302159872Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-05-05T07:00:55+0100", "id": "baa738c377e134266af60411f87a6cd5", "post_id": "post-221602", "text": "just get a joystick, i got one at sale at a leading electronics big box store which i will not give a free advertisement to for $30-$50 (cant remember) and it is SO WORTH IT!!!! :banana: orbiter is so much better with a joystick", "thread_id": 14111 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.014688256Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-01-09T15:34:04+0000", "id": "929d2f8d89b3a458627b5127345f8366", "post_id": "post-252061", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity's Scoop Campaign, a Summary", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.299695872Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-01T21:38:58+0100", "id": "fbb0c4fb0f881094eeb654a3a8d1d1b8", "post_id": "post-218063", "text": "T.Neo said:I've just noticed... what is the point of an ISV if there are not any stars to go to? :hmm:\n\nActually one of the dev's here is working on a functional galaxy for orbiter and tentatively expects to have it finished by the end of the year. This will give us PLENTY of stars to fly to.:cool:", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.45134592Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2008-05-12T05:02:07+0100", "id": "7d483d19fa298714b53fb92f0575a31b", "post_id": "post-65260", "text": "I agree with n0mad23, it is much better to get your mesh orientation correct when you are modelling it. To this end, the following is an extract from the SDK \"3DModel.pdf\":Vessel meshes should be oriented such that the vessel\u2019s nose (or more precisely, its main thrust direction) points in the positive z-direction, the positive x-axis points right, and the positive y-axis points up.\n\nIs this how your mesh is configured? You can check this by in sim pressing F4|Visual Helpers button|Axes tab|tick Coordinate Axes|tick Vessels. In an external view you should be able to see the axes.Also, make sure you have correct entries for TouchdownPoints in either the config file or dll. These points define the \"up\" direction of your vessel when it is landed.Talking of vessel coordinates, remember that your vessel's centre of mass (centre of gravity) will be located at the origin of your mesh. So, in addition to getting the orientation correct, you will want to get your origin correct also.Finally, you can manipulate the vessel's meshes with the MeshgroupTransform function but it is better to have the items above correct first.", "thread_id": 1413 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.045837824Z", "author": "boogabooga", "date": "2018-02-01T08:01:18+0000", "id": "ac101f6b58fcacbadf4e0cee48445a9b", "post_id": "post-252209", "text": "Andy44 said:Weird that this thread is so dead of late...What amazes me is the blue sky!\n\nAre we sure that it's true color?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.585014528Z", "author": "n72.75", "date": "2010-04-20T17:21:30+0100", "id": "db2df6058c761f47202f60203b57f6a1", "post_id": "post-218601", "text": "ar81 said:Official revampedCommodoresiteCommodore 64 may come back as Warren BeattyIn mid-March, a company calling itself Commodore USA unveiled what appeared to be a new incarnation of the iconic early-80s machine.It will work with Windows and Linux.\n\nWow, I still own a 1982 Commodore 64.", "thread_id": 13935 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.037764608Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-03T03:25:09+0100", "id": "58481fea993600120f80e7b376a97f12", "post_id": "post-221360", "text": "Donamy said:Before, being gay would keep you from the military.\n\nAlex, I'll take \"fat\" for $200, please!:rofl:", "thread_id": 14097 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.102426112Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-08-29T15:59:12+0100", "id": "558c028b8fa555119ea06347f1a892f5", "post_id": "post-252238", "text": "I heard somewhere that he was working on an update for Orbiter 2010.", "thread_id": 16270 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.893713152Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2011-02-03T21:20:45+0000", "id": "24957c8653862415198b2e14d41c7f61", "post_id": "post-217859", "text": "Docking ports in a nutshell. There are not to many to go around in the Russian section (4?) and 2 of them are needed for Soyuz.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.133828352Z", "author": "FordPrefect", "date": "2010-05-03T22:08:27+0100", "id": "c4c7ddbd1880ec09589bcce9c46f9a03", "post_id": "post-221396", "text": "http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=efmuBBtwI5c", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.169769728Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-30T22:26:33+0100", "id": "44d185bcdf31c8701ef0e5f57393bbbe", "post_id": "post-252322", "text": "At 6500 USD, I'd have to agree with that assessment. Damn cool, but it'll put a dent in your bank account that'll take some time to buff out.", "thread_id": 16280 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.923278336Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-03-08T23:18:32+0000", "id": "403355bddd1fef0e3b2e374b03c3deb8", "post_id": "post-217936", "text": "Some great footage of ATV's interior in this video from ESA.\u200b", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.193150976Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-05T23:20:00+0100", "id": "4182978b2f9cf1ef86017e93745c2cd2", "post_id": "post-221492", "text": "{silly mode}Hey guys, I have a criminal idea... let's download Mechwarrior 4 in secrecy... ooops, it is free for download... piracy mission aborted... jump off the pirate ship...{\/silly mode}:lol: :rofl:", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.319126016Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2009-02-18T12:37:13+0000", "id": "d108aa559d24e53c1ddc6a1ce558dbfa", "post_id": "post-12913", "text": "I'd also recommend reading the licences the tutorials are under. Many (if not all) can be freely distributed as long as you give proper credits.", "thread_id": 163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.458163712Z", "author": "Fixerger", "date": "2010-04-21T22:03:57+0100", "id": "d30c135f8115f236ca3d72f92958c04a", "post_id": "post-218335", "text": "Goth said:The add-on already has scenarios examples inside its zip file.\n\nOh.. so that on that screenshots is small Dragonfly?", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.429518592Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-07T15:54:50+0100", "id": "c7e75bfc50ceb6d0d76e495bc6af9fe6", "post_id": "post-221809", "text": "Arrowstar said:Rammstein is considered \"pop\" music? The German definition of \"pop\" is clearly different than the American definition.:)\n\nGerman definition: \"The music between the ring tone ads\" :rofl:", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.610062336Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-09-04T14:47:15+0100", "id": "70ef3de2ba4e3ac64a07ebfadcc9d07a", "post_id": "post-252966", "text": "Sky Captain said:In this video of VASIMR engine testing it seems that exhaust spreads fairly quickly after it exits the nozzle.\n\nThe spread of the plasma from VASIMR is probably not from the static pressure, but because the ion follow the magnetic field lines of the engine...", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.478230272Z", "author": "SiameseCat", "date": "2010-06-23T19:15:42+0100", "id": "6bf6b3f812a42d8ff61814bbb050305a", "post_id": "post-218388", "text": "If you're on the launch pad, that's normal (because the display aren't simulated). A few of the on-orbit displays work and that's it at the moment.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.70532608Z", "author": "jalexb88", "date": "2010-05-08T21:02:37+0100", "id": "545d35e3f93915560d732d966f02332f", "post_id": "post-222185", "text": "As a Montrealer I'd like call on Habs fans around the world who read these forums, please root for a victory tonight against the Penguins as the habs play game 5 of the eastern conference semi-finals. They are two wins away from moving on to the conference finals, which they have not been at since 1993. The Canadiens have shown character and discipline this playoff year and have already made history by knocking off the 1st seeded Capitals after a 3-1 deficit. GO HABS GO!", "thread_id": 14162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.925286912Z", "author": "Arrowstar", "date": "2012-08-06T07:05:32+0100", "id": "09c21fca3dc6a392816a6180bce2f71f", "post_id": "post-251652", "text": "Ark said:Forget the landing, hearing a NASA tech yell \"HOLY ****\" made staying up to watch this 100% worth it.\n\nSeriously? I must have missed it...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.713263104Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-04-17T18:57:40+0100", "id": "e334f83179d05cc039bce654e979c098", "post_id": "post-217631", "text": "Artlav said:Sorry, can't get what i'm looking at. A side of mountain range\/crater lit by sunset light filtering thru them?\n\nThat is correct. AFAIK there's no mountains\/craters anywhere near Fla.! So this needs to be fixed.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.834971392Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-06-15T08:05:34+0100", "id": "f9a02fe31e8800867ab535ae09a72276", "post_id": "post-222272", "text": "ion thrusters. Or that funky radiation that's slowing down the pioneers. Couldn't we rotate the ship so that radiation stuff is speeding up the craft?", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.019169792Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-03-29T15:55:11+0000", "id": "f0733c76aa34af8e8898fe75c376320e", "post_id": "post-252086", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:Curiosity update, sol 227: Some sharpshooting and a dusty deck", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.897298432Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2011-02-15T22:10:52+0000", "id": "968a77ed91cfd7c32aabc90524671f40", "post_id": "post-217879", "text": "IronRain said:question (again); Why are the yellow arms already retracted?EDIT: Never Mind, I already see why\n\nFor all others with the same question: No cryogen upper stage, so the arms for replenishing liquid hydrogen there are not needed. :lol:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.08446336Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-08-29T15:42:47+0100", "id": "9b60c53c1dd352cdc9f8336a88312c93", "post_id": "post-252233", "text": "Michael Schumacher did very well srarted at 21st", "thread_id": 16268 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.921373696Z", "author": "C3PO", "date": "2011-02-24T16:25:39+0000", "id": "2e1aad08c9bb6581b28e459883aca72f", "post_id": "post-217926", "text": "I would have thought that it would line up after capture. I remember seeing this on a Soyuz or Progress (can't remember which) docking. We didn't see that view after hard-dock, so it might have lined up by then.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.384288768Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-05-06T02:34:49+0100", "id": "742ea8141c30c5bc367e279578ca035a", "post_id": "post-221755", "text": "yep, that was it! thanks, Keith! you saved my day!:woohoo:what pains me most is that i have done this before... i missed it just out of general dumbness...thats why i say programming is a two-man job, you need one programming and another checking for his mistakes:rolleyes:oh well... that's programming for ya... not the first time this has happened to me... i'm sure it won't be the last...:thankyou:", "thread_id": 14124 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.500289792Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-05-06T18:17:37+0100", "id": "e54d0465376fe700bb8ff18a69308530", "post_id": "post-221854", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:Yes, go to the Config, vessels and the ones you don't want, delete\n\nNo, I mean, in the Scenario window, then the ''New'' button... there are allot of vessels\/modules...;)Sorry if I was unclear", "thread_id": 14138 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.520784384Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-09-03T04:27:55+0100", "id": "3446728917acd877b36d2017825934f5", "post_id": "post-252776", "text": "Polaris said:By the way, I should tell you I am still up in the air about my ship. I would like to design it myself. I need some help with coding, the mesh, and the texture. The config and scenarios I would like to design myself.\n\nThat's going to turn a lot of people off (myself included.) It's healthy in this situation to opt for simplicity, as thinking too big can get you in over your head (just speaking from experience. :facepalm:)Polaris said:By the way, when did you guys do Orbiter Forum Mission to the Moon?\n\nNever. If you're going to do it, would you mind changing the name to avoid acronym conflict with acertain other OFMM?;)", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.632191744Z", "author": "Zatnikitelman", "date": "2010-04-21T03:39:30+0100", "id": "5bb1595cad929e50449c0498129ae697", "post_id": "post-218672", "text": "I agree, we can always play it manually if we want, but if we're doing something over and over again like building a space station or something, it can be nice to automate the operations a bit.", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.662029568Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-08-16T02:54:43+0100", "id": "934a927566e22f844fbc5faac032ee86", "post_id": "post-222150", "text": "Xyon said:This is epic lego win, in my book.:D\n\nTo the tune of 100$ US... >.>", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.53876224Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-03T18:50:03+0100", "id": "26871af43bbfffce49d593bdf2254850", "post_id": "post-252849", "text": "He also considers Suraev a hero even without an official recognition. \"All Cosmonauts are real heroes. And not only heroes of Russia, but of the entire Earth.\n\nI think Tolboev gets a major point here.", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.135282176Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-19T11:14:57+0100", "id": "e5d2376326ab2abea8c1833be4c6235c", "post_id": "post-217997", "text": "Sky Captain said:Doing equivalent in space would mean either developing robots that can build your ship or accept many many eva hours which would expose astronauts to risk of being hit by some random junk flying in LEO.\n\nThe chance is higher to be hit by lightning while working on a house on Earth. Sorry, but this is a very weak argument. You risk far more people on the ground, who have to work near your huge rocket, to be killed in a rocket explosion, and want to talk about risks during EVAs.I don't know how many man-hours we today have spend outside the spacecraft, it should be well in the thousands now, and no astronaut ever got even just injured by space debris. The risk is there, but it is by such \"measurements\" not higher than the pure mathematical risk calculated by debris models for debris to pass through an astronaut sized area.And that number is not very huge: Even in Low Earth Orbit, which is quite dirty, you would need to spend many months outside on the average before you would be hit by a piece of debris large enough to damage your suit.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.838178048Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2012-10-31T14:11:56+0000", "id": "60de6cd72b7b34329bd6c224a83534e9", "post_id": "post-222289", "text": "Is there any expectation when does NASA confirm the crossing of interstellar space border?", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.449660672Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-01T02:54:27+0100", "id": "96cb616941c34e7e5cc19e580c1f815a", "post_id": "post-252579", "text": "Aw nuts. I didn't mean it likethat.None of us are perfect. Reentry is a difficult proceedure which takes technique and practice to get right. Now, for me, watching a vessel do that by itself is just missing the point of Orbiter entirely. An autopilot whichassistswith reentry, I can get behind, but not one which does it all for you. Otherwise, where's the fun? I don't load up Orbiter towatchmy vessels do things by themselves, I do it to fly them.Evidently my wording didn't get that sentiment across in the previous post. You say you don't get reentry right and can't do it? Fair enough. Nobody gets it right at first. I've lost count of the amount of money I owe dbeachy1 in broken XR1 components through mucking up reentries. But however will you learn to do it yourself without that practice?", "thread_id": 16308 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.300074752Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-05-02T16:49:47+0100", "id": "bbb9543ace75df8e0363801565f5937e", "post_id": "post-218066", "text": "There's a pretty detailed description of the ISV venture star on this sitehttp:\/\/www.projectrho.com\/rocket\/rocket3ap.html#avatar", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.842717184Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2018-04-06T17:42:51+0100", "id": "a47bf0a5714d27a66e6a18ec5721b4bc", "post_id": "post-222315", "text": "Not news, but 2 images I found in Wikipedia that show the path of the Voyagers as seen from Earth.BTW: should we have a \"Spaceflight Image Thread\"?", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.460401664Z", "author": "Slice N Splice", "date": "2010-09-01T02:53:19+0100", "id": "9a4b8d9d08ac615f5ee0515e6a04a827", "post_id": "post-252593", "text": "woo482 said:Have you tried pressing the numlock key? I think having that enabled would cause this problem\n\nThank you soo much woo it fixed it.This is one hell of a way to put it but i guess the numlock icked my snay.", "thread_id": 16310 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.439878912Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-04-18T23:39:03+0100", "id": "2942d5050c0e5530394921217cdbbf9c", "post_id": "post-218223", "text": "Nah make him pay it out of his own pocket:)", "thread_id": 13907 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.353433088Z", "author": "Ursus", "date": "2008-05-11T23:29:21+0100", "id": "8da701a1627ae0c34354aec9d81ab79e", "post_id": "post-65243", "text": "I just had a twisted thought after IStumbledacross a page of photos of planes passing over the beach onSt. Maarten... Areallytwisted thought...It's kind of a short runway to use as a space port; it'd be almost (?!?!) impossible to land the shuttle there, but it'd be kind of fun... even if a person had to perform hover-engine assisted take-offs and landings. (Actually, I think a DG might be able to handle the strip without hovers.)The really twisted part... If you think thewreak havoc on the folks on the beach... just imagine what the rocket exhaust would do.(Yes, this is a 90% serious add-on request... well, maybe 85% serious.)Edit: Oh... the forum software embedded that YouTube link... oh, well, I guess it's still readable.", "thread_id": 1412 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.926664192Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-06T07:33:14+0100", "id": "31f044a3f8ea3feceba48a7c1d685911", "post_id": "post-251663", "text": "Too much dirt on the hazcam lenses.. skycrane kicked up more dust than expected.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.859559168Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-16T14:25:45+0100", "id": "60b112e0e06d03dbf3c7557c8a4184ac", "post_id": "post-217739", "text": "Puma said:remember that the space craft surface is a shiny metal surface ...different compared to the vostok that is some kind of white texture..\n\nDon't mistake models or mock-ups with the real spacecraft. Thermal blankets and real coloration are often removed there for looking better. Better look into the Energia museum for the reality.;)Puma said:\n\nVostok together with the third stage of the R-7 launcher. Difference to Voskhod is the missing solid retro-rocket package on the top of the capsule sphere.Puma said:\n\nVoskhod model. Many details missing, thermal blankets and heat shield appear as solid shiny metal.As comparison: A foton spacecraft, the unmanned and still flying version of Vostok\/Voskhod:http:\/\/www.astronautix.com\/craft\/foton.htm", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.363374592Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T18:45:14+0100", "id": "cbdefeef6764f40d10c57027c69da3f9", "post_id": "post-221733", "text": "Well... you just need to prevent deletion if ANY other thread tries to reserve it. Maybe you should have a special counter variable for waiting \"incRef\" requests.", "thread_id": 14122 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.930997504Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-06-01T10:33:26+0100", "id": "84d22e248572688082d5ba3067f6219a", "post_id": "post-251153", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Camera Duo on Mars Rover Mast Will Shoot Color ViewsMay 31, 2011Two digital color cameras riding high on the mast of NASA's next Mars rover will complement each other in showing the surface of Mars in exquisite detail.They are the left and right eyes of the Mast Camera, or Mastcam, instrument on the Curiosity rover of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission, launching in late 2011.The right-eye Mastcam looks through a telephoto lens, revealing details near or far with about three-fold better resolution than any previous landscape-viewing camera on the surface of Mars. The left-eye Mastcam provides broader context through a medium-angle lens. Each can acquire thousands of full-color images and store them in an eight-gigabyte flash memory. Both cameras are also capable of recording high-definition video at about eight frames per second. Combining information from the two eyes can yield 3-D views of the telephoto part of the scene.Motivation to put telephoto capability in Curiosity's main science imaging instrument grew from experience with NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity and its studies of an arena-size crater in 2004. The science camera on that rover's mast, which can see details comparably to what a human eye can see at the same distance, showed intriguing patterns in the layers of Burns Cliff inside Endurance Crater.\"We tried to get over and study it, but the rover could not negotiate the steep slope,\" recalled Mastcam Principal Investigator Michael Malin, of Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego. \"We all desperately coveted a telephoto lens.\" NASA selected his Mastcam proposal later that year for the Mars Science Laboratory rover.The telephoto Mastcam, called \"Mastcam 100\" for its 100-millimeter focal-length lens, provides enough resolution to distinguish a basketball from a football at a distance of seven football fields, or to read \"ONE CENT\" on a penny on the ground beside the rover. Its images cover an area about six degrees wide by five degrees tall.Click on image for details\u200bThe left eye of the two-camera Mast Camera (Mastcam) instrument on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity took the images combined into this mosaic of the rover's upper deck. Image credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/Malin Space Science Systems\u200bIts left-eye partner, called \"Mastcam 34\" for its 34-millimeter lens, catches a scene three times wider -- about 18 degrees wide and 15 degrees tall -- with each exposure.Researchers will use the Mastcams and nine other science instruments on Curiosity to study past and present environments in a carefully chosen area of Mars. They will assess whether conditions have been favorable for life and favorable for preserving evidence about whether life has existed there. Mastcam imaging of the shapes and colors of landscapes, rocks and soils will provide clues about the history of environmental processes that have formed them and modified them over time. Images and videos of the sky will document contemporary processes, such as movement of clouds and dust.Previous color cameras on Mars have taken a sequence of exposures through different color filters to be combined on Earth into color views. The Mastcams record color the same way consumer digital cameras do: They have a grid of tiny red, green and blue squares (a \"Bayer pattern\" filter) fitted over the electronic light detector (the charge-coupled device, or CCD). This allows the Mastcams to get the three color components over the entire scene in a single exposure.Mastcam's color-calibration target on the rover deck includes magnets to keep the highly magnetic Martian dust from accumulating on portions of color chips and white-gray-balance reference chips. Natural lighting on Mars tends to be redder than on Earth due to dust in Mars' atmosphere. \"True color\" images can be produced that incorporate that lighting effect -- comparable to the greenish look of color-film images taken under fluorescent lights on Earth without a white-balancing adjustment. A white-balance calculation can yield a more natural look by adjusting for the tint of the lighting, as the human eye tends to do and digital cameras can do. The Mastcams are capable of producing both true-color and white-balanced images.Besides the affixed red-green-blue filter grid, the Mastcams have wheels of other filters that can be rotated into place between the lens and the CCD. These include science spectral filters for examining the ground or sky in narrow bands of visible-light or near-infrared wavelengths. One filter on each camera allows it to look directly at the sun to measure the amount of dust in the atmosphere, a key part of Mars' weather.\"Something we're likely to do frequently is to look at rocks and features with the Mastcam 34 red-green-blue filter, and if we see something of interest, follow that up with the Mastcam 34 and Mastcam 100 science spectral filters,\" Malin said. \"We can use the red-green-blue data for quick reconnaissance and the science filters for target selection.\"When Curiosity drives to a new location, Mastcam 34 can record a full-color, full-circle panorama about 60 degrees tall by taking 150 images in about 25 minutes. Using Mastcam 100, the team will be able to broaden the swath of terrain evaluated on either side of the path Curiosity drives, compared to what has been possible with earlier Mars rovers. That will help with selection of the most interesting targets to approach for analysis by Curiosity's other instruments and will provide additional geological context for interpreting data about the chosen targets.The Mastcams will provide still images and video to study motions of the rover -- both for science, such as seeing how soils interact with wheels, and for engineering, such as aiding in use of the robotic arm. In other videos, the team may use cinematic techniques such as panning across a scene and using the rover's movement for \"dolly\" shots.Each of the two-megapixel Mastcams can take and store thousands of images, though the amount received on Earth each day will depend on how the science team chooses priorities for the day's available data-transmission volume. Malin anticipates frequent use of Mastcam \"thumbnail\" frames -- compressed roughly 150-by-150-pixel versions of each image -- as an index of the full-scale images held in the onboard memory.Malin Space Science Systems built the Mastcam instrument and will operate it. The company's founder, Michael Malin, participated in NASA's Viking missions to Mars in the 1970s, provided the Mars Orbiter Camera for NASA's Mars Global Surveyor mission, and is the principal investigator for both the Context Camera and the Mars Color Imager on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.The science team for Mastcam and two other instruments the same company provided for Curiosity includes the lead scientist for the mast-mounted science cameras on Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity (James Bell of Arizona State University); the lead scientist for the mast camera on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander (Mark Lemmon of Texas A&M University); James Cameron, director of such popular movies as \"Titanic\" and \"Avatar\"; and 17 others with expertise in geology, soils, frost, atmosphere, imaging and other topics.Mastcam 100 and Mastcam 34 were installed onto Curiosity in 2010. Until March 2011, a possibility remained open that they might be replaced with a different design: two identical zoom cameras. A zoom camera has adjustable focal length, to change from wider-angle to telephoto or vice-versa. That design had been Malin's original proposal. NASA changed the plan to two different fixed-focal-length cameras in 2007 as a cost-cutting measure that preserves the capability for meeting the science goals of the mission and the instrument. The agency funded a renewed possibility for using the zoom-camera design in 2010, but the zoom development presented challenges that could not be fully overcome with enough time for required testing on the rover.Mastcam 34 took images for a mosaic showing Curiosity's upper deck during tests in March 2011 inside a chamber simulating Mars surface temperature and air pressure. Testing of the rover at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., will wrap up in time for shipping the rover to NASA Kennedy Space Center in June. Testing and other launch preparations will continue there. The launch period for the Mars Science Laboratory is Nov. 25 to Dec. 18, 2011, with landing on Mars in August 2012.{...}", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.914117632Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-16T21:08:14+0000", "id": "b86ce78496391adb0a961095886a2188", "post_id": "post-217889", "text": "Now L-38 mins!:)NASA via Twitter said:If ATV-2 launches today, STS-133 launch will not necessarily slip as previously thought. Final decision Friday at Flight Readiness Review.\n\n", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.537379072Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-07T08:26:21+0100", "id": "bbb9035edcc8b8e857ecec6fe4ef259c", "post_id": "post-221885", "text": "http:\/\/www.formula1.com\/races\/in_detail\/spain_828\/circuit_diagram.htmlhttp:\/\/www.formula1.com\/default.htmlFriday practice 1 in 30 minutes.N.", "thread_id": 14146 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.983237376Z", "author": "Topper", "date": "2012-08-09T19:42:08+0100", "id": "843d3aacef224a5cd6a95570ba234b27", "post_id": "post-251801", "text": "Wow!Codz said:Here's a beautiful shot of the crater rim.\n\nCuriosities landing site is very breathtaking, just wonderfull...It's like looking a scince fiction but it's real...", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.297394944Z", "author": "natey787", "date": "2010-04-18T21:24:11+0100", "id": "10d145e78b9e9131e23ee0ebcf6ab057", "post_id": "post-218046", "text": "I know right? I'm not going to lie, the first five minutes was my favorite part of the movie. First the awesome planetary system with Polyphemus, and then those few tantalizing shots of the Venture Star, and finally the shuttles. And then the shuttle landed and I'm like OMG it's a VTOL!!!I immediately thought of orbiter, of course.There is an addon that Cizurator made that is *cough* firmly based on Avatar, with a custom star system, and a spacecraft made up of a Deepstar and two Resolve shuttles. It is quite awesome.http:\/\/orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=14139", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.927258368Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-11T07:35:59+0100", "id": "bf69ca451040669fc8dbf7c99358efb2", "post_id": "post-221336", "text": "Coolhand said:hmm... in that example it looks like you have a specular effect going on there - as the highlight traces over the textures the light reflection - the specular highlights - intensity seems to be controlled by a map.at a minimum i think you should be able to control spec, gloss & bump.\n\nOk, there are three textures per mesh - default diffuse, emission which is rgb+intensity in a, and a normal\/specular, which is rgb for normal vector offset and a specular power in a. The color of specular is controlled by material.So, that's bump and something between spec and gloss?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.987152128Z", "author": "RGClark", "date": "2012-08-17T20:56:05+0100", "id": "3c3903dd47223fb51651f94244296152", "post_id": "post-251830", "text": "RGClark said:...It is important to realize that clouds, fogs and hazes can have some proportion of liquid water even well below freezing temperature. This is well known to happen when salts are dissolved in the water through freezing point depression. But it can also happen with pure water through supercooling:Supercooling.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/SupercooledThe temperature at which supercooled liquid water can occur can even be below -40C, which coincidentally is also -40F:Supercool Water.Posted: 11\/28\/11\"Liquid water as cold as minus 40 F has been found in clouds. Scientists have done experiments showing liquid water can exist at least down to minus 42 F.\"http:\/\/www.astrobio.net\/pressrelease\/4363\/supercool-water...\n\nMore detailed discussion here:A liquid water component to clouds and fogs on Mars.http:\/\/exoscientist.blogspot.com\/2012\/08\/a-liquid-water-component-to-clouds-and.htmlBob Clark", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.550615552Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-04-19T23:50:40+0100", "id": "b69b88541eb7940c38f419bcc1bcb5ad", "post_id": "post-218530", "text": "natey787 said:Try some kind of physical activity.\n\n+1. Workouts help a lot! :thumbup: And BTW, the stress never really goes away once you're out of school, either -- it just changes form.:p", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.036738304Z", "author": "adamb193", "date": "2010-05-03T02:20:43+0100", "id": "fdb4745ee90ca327ceb74f5a04215a8a", "post_id": "post-221355", "text": "Well that's a great reason to get in shape. Much better than that live better and longer hippie non-sense.", "thread_id": 14097 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.152923392Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-31T23:10:02+0100", "id": "fd82dc500456be4859f9ba0f3971f263", "post_id": "post-252306", "text": "I doubt it was due to a distraction, since you keep spelling it wrong. The word is actually spelt H-A-N-G-A-R as it relates to aircraft buildings, which is the term used by orbithangar.This is also the third time the OP has been pointed to OHM's search function. You'd think that'd be enough.", "thread_id": 16279 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.585768448Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-04-20T19:28:40+0100", "id": "9fde3ae740a8a947f8d3f7ee117c4fac", "post_id": "post-218605", "text": "It was mentionedhere (thread 15000, wow), as a re-branded Cybernet.", "thread_id": 13935 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.42805888Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-06T18:47:39+0100", "id": "1666b3c019e031149069193dacbb79fc", "post_id": "post-221799", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:My Dad does not want to leave her home while Dad and I go. He says that it is not fair to leave on her birthday without taking her.\n\nMakes sense.Is there any possibility that there's someone else who could take you to the shuttle launch? Your sister would probably see it as an advantage if you weren't there for her birthday, if she hates you...", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.439244288Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-09-02T21:07:07+0100", "id": "c279647bd0d0f5677b2c7d3a907664ea", "post_id": "post-252554", "text": "I don't think you can mod the DGIV for this - it has to be in the vessel's .dll.Doug has released updates for the XR series - in fact older versions won't work in 2010P1. The XR series have nav\/docking lights and thruster lights for main and hover engines.Other than that, I'm sure someone will get around to making a mod that allows adding nav lights to other vessels.", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.915186944Z", "author": "Scruce", "date": "2011-02-16T21:38:04+0000", "id": "271fb0a0d4a470ddd403b5ab7a4cc514", "post_id": "post-217892", "text": "8 mins, the tension kills :uhh:.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.514053376Z", "author": "Xantcha", "date": "2008-05-12T15:05:01+0100", "id": "0f13650fc571775647216872f2bf7c94", "post_id": "post-65265", "text": "uhm.. what's this xfire is all about?", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.520433408Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-09-02T14:55:20+0100", "id": "9e4f9641c9ccf201837e357286cc3cff", "post_id": "post-252771", "text": "HAL9001 said:do we land on Titan, too?Than I'm on board!But we will use Sci-Fi-like Ships like DGIV or AR18, too, or?---------- Post added at 15:45 ---------- Previous post was at 09:13 ----------We could use Warp-MFD...but it's a bitsome unrealisticwe could make OFMS (Orbiter Forum Mission to Sun), too..we build a (flying, not grouded) space station in a Orit around sun, an not around a planet, near to un, but not TOO dangerous and reachable with an spaeship tha has a big Thruster and a big Tank and than a little capsule on that.\n\nLand on Titan? The point of this would be to land on Earth's moon. And Warp MFD kinda ruins most of the fun, don't you think?Also, planning that far ahead is not smart. I doubt this \"project\" will get very far past this stage, if at all, because that's the nature of these kind of community-driven projects. If this is to have a hope of getting anywhere past the planning stage, we need to focus on one goal: the Moon.", "thread_id": 16326 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.917018368Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2011-02-18T01:35:36+0000", "id": "1db1482dc94fdc2728d926133dbb2ac8", "post_id": "post-217904", "text": "kuddel said:But shifting the CoG when you arenot rotatingdoes only apply a lateral shift of the \"rest-body\" to the opposite direction, right? Only translation, no rotation. I can see no force that is not running through the CoG that could create a rotation\/torque.\n\nA line from the CoG of one panel, through the vehicle, to the CoG of its opposite panel, does not pass through the vehicle's CoG. When extending just one panel, the vehicle pushes on the panel, so the panel pushes on the vehicle. The force of the panel on the vehicle causes a torque about the CoG of the vehicle. You can see this by taking the cross product of the force from the panel with the vector from the vehicle's CoG to the panel attachment point. Having said that, the subsequent deceleration should apply the opposite torque (or a lower torque for a longer time).Thinking about in terms of angular momentum, if the vehicle has zero angular momentum then that must be conserved. As the panel starts to move out from the vehicle, it has some angular momentum. The main body of the vehicle must counter-rotate to conserve the net angular momentum. When the panel stops extending the rotation should stop.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.969385472Z", "author": "hypersonic", "date": "2010-04-18T09:41:33+0100", "id": "88c38285bd8db6ed38f895ca9f03d769", "post_id": "post-217956", "text": "Anyone have an idea to this?to clarify, when i say bleeding fuel ....Vespucci D has 15 thousand tonnes of fuel. When cold & dark in Vista, the right hand fuel display in the cockpit is always lit up & shows 15K tonnes of fuel.. & stays like that until you deliberately do something, like start the core up & get the ship running or fire the engines, once up & running. Otherwise when cold & dark it will stay showing 15k tonnes.When in XP, running the same files & scenerio, the ship bleeds 10 tonnes of fuel per second!!!!! - So it is definately not a trickle, & empties the ship in a matter of minutes.Your ideas on what is causing this between the two OS's would be great.", "thread_id": 13883 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.539268352Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-07T18:49:04+0100", "id": "d3e0b01c92ae939d0ddd5ec576c501da", "post_id": "post-252853", "text": "The last time when the Russian cosmonaut corps was on strike was, after the Christmas resupply was done by a US Space Shuttle and the medical alcohol was left on the ground...", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.539268352Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-07T18:49:04+0100", "id": "d3e0b01c92ae939d0ddd5ec576c501da", "post_id": "post-252853", "text": "The last time when the Russian cosmonaut corps was on strike was, after the Christmas resupply was done by a US Space Shuttle and the medical alcohol was left on the ground...", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.301016832Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2011-04-15T15:15:50+0100", "id": "e04124c7dc3053edf31dc97957a08c9f", "post_id": "post-218074", "text": "Izack said:On that topic, why the heck was this scene deleted?YouTube - Avatar - ISV Venture Star Departs - Deleted Scene\n\nThe number one thing that movie was missing was more Venture Star eye candy. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.514730752Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2008-05-14T03:29:15+0100", "id": "e3ddc9df527d4ce2b5a883abef9bb9b5", "post_id": "post-65269", "text": "I'll support ya. I used to use xfire alot, but haven't used it in some time now. Heres my profile:http:\/\/www.xfire.com\/profile\/texasf1racer\/", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.867558656Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2012-08-06T06:25:25+0100", "id": "7f113f5b0f693a13685f1dc39a86d0d9", "post_id": "post-251565", "text": "Here comes the S-turns!", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.62595712Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-04-21T08:51:50+0100", "id": "cc27d67f5b9a6ccbacbfefc6de1308b7", "post_id": "post-218665", "text": "If you are talking aboutthisPC, then it is compatible. You need to take out your current graphics card and install the 8600 in the same slot.If you need a DVI-I to VGA adapter depends on your screen and what kind of cable you have. If you only have aVGAinput on your screen then you sure need one. Should you have aDVIinterface it is better to connect to that directly.Happy Orbiting", "thread_id": 13943 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.677600768Z", "author": "Epsilon", "date": "2010-06-15T02:53:06+0100", "id": "73752373749d645a606bf01ecac20c0e", "post_id": "post-222168", "text": "Blender 4eva! >_DG VC HUD is unreadable.I agree.>I'm not getting any shadows rendered here, no matter the shadow setting.Me too.Good fonts with Textures or Buffered, see screenshot:http:\/\/ipicture.ru\/upload\/100504\/X25R62aai8.jpgAlso, can you add land multitexturing without height generating?Advanced settings - sun side is everything white.Code:\/\/Render\nCamera-2_Mode=Retro \/\/Landing, Retro\n \nAux_Info=1\nGDI_Emulation=1\nUse_UDP=0\nServer_mode=0\n \nFont_mode=0\n \n\/\/Scene\nAuto_Resolution=0\nProjection=0\nCamera-2=0\nVC_Override=0\nShadow_Maps_Resolution=512\nSecond_Camera_Resolution=256\nWireframe=0\nStereo=0\n \nAdvanced_Graphics=0\nShadows_General_Switch=1\nShadows_Mode=Projective \/\/Off, Projective, Low_Stencil, Med_Stencil, High_Stencil, Mapped\nTerrain=1\nTerrain_Mode=0\nMultilight=1\nFast_Multilight=0\nMultilight_Terrain=1\nAdvanced_atmosphere=0\nRaytraced_atmosphere=0", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.43631488Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-09-01T04:37:01+0100", "id": "185885fc5de288d730abd244b2ceb330", "post_id": "post-252529", "text": "Orbiter just gets more epic each hour and its been going this way for almost a decade.:cool::salute::thumbup::10sign::banana::love::bartender::cheers::thumbup::)", "thread_id": 16306 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.88117888Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-04-16T23:06:53+0100", "id": "60de000f723717162ee4b93634165a11", "post_id": "post-217810", "text": "rucinter said:That's true. I've started playing Orbiter when it was at version 2005. Then forget about it. Came back. Forget it. And so on. At the beginning, I loved Shuttle-A. Then, I embraced the real Shuttle. A few moths ago, I was into historical mission. Now, thanks to Dave and the wonderful Shuttle Fleet, I'm back to the Shuttle and ISS. There are so much things I haven't done, like seriously going beyond LEO or seriously playing an Apollo mission. There are a lot to do in Orbiter and there will be fun things to do in the future also.\n\nIf you like historical missions, have you tried NASSP? It's the ultimate historical addon.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.927952128Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-07-29T16:03:14+0100", "id": "6b33c78361072f6eb5d48f562ec152c9", "post_id": "post-221343", "text": "Hartmann said:I don\u00b4t know if is a bug but Ogla crashed and in the log file say this\"28\/07\/2010-23:21:21:[getheihmap]:Notice: File \"heightmaps\\moon-lv12-1038-301-3-3.hei\" not found or not loadable.\"I have to install height maps in some folder ??\n\nDamnation.I've explained a thousand times, i've rephrased the message several times, yet still people don't realize that these NOTICES are no errors and no reasons for crashes.It only says that one of the pre-programmed heightmap files was not found and thus been ignored.Now, if you forgive me the hot first part, where and under what conditions did it actually crashed?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.607814656Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-09-03T15:24:20+0100", "id": "868c01684093b022f634bdc7352d8159", "post_id": "post-252952", "text": "That means more RCS propellant and more thrusters to tension the structure before rotation which again is more mass.\n\nNo... to point the z+ translation thrusters backward requires no extra propellant.Main reason for putting reactors on front was to make as much ship as possible radiation free, especially the engines. Propellant tanks are there to provide another layer of radiation protection. That way if something goes wrong at engine section it is accessible by human crew. In a setup where engines are behind reactors engine section can be accessed only by RMS which could make repairs in some cases more difficult or impossible. Mind you it comes with some mass penalty, but then again every design decision has some tradeoffs\n\nAh ok... engine maintainance. I was wondering because you could always have the reactors at the back of the ship, behind the fuel tanks, with the payload\/crew up front, but that would cut off the engines from a repair attempt.At lower ISP higher thrust settings exhausst spreading too much might be a problem.\n\nSure, but without any math on the subject it's impossible to tell how far it would spread, really.I used IMFD.\n\nI must admit I know very little about IMFD... did you just go through the normal procedure, or was there some special magic to it?If one of the reactors undergoes meltdown, you lose the ship.\n\nHow likely is a reactor meltdown though? Maybe it could be avoided altogether with some inherent failsafe like with a pebble-bed reactor. :hmm:But then again, one must ask how often the engines would break down...", "thread_id": 16338 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.92050176Z", "author": "Dambuster", "date": "2011-02-24T15:39:08+0000", "id": "560b67c93cd1a6a8b06125dbcaf330c3", "post_id": "post-217921", "text": "The speed says 0.00 (or at least I think I'm looking at the speed), yet the distance keeps decreasing...is that due to their very very slightly different orbits?", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.16393728Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-03T20:41:07+0100", "id": "bc840568a53618d1873af428b3965d13", "post_id": "post-221431", "text": "cjp said:Page 5: is it really true that DirectX < 6 is unsupported in windows XP? I can't remember something like that. Can you give me some links to websites that confirm this?\n\nI have lots of games. Those that use DirectX5 or lower simply do not work with compatibility fix. Yeah, probably I should get rid of that statement. But I also would like to know how to make them work.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.628901888Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-03T03:52:46+0100", "id": "487b7fd9bd8f29c09bb70584fd8642b0", "post_id": "post-253014", "text": "Anyone here a fan of Ghostbusters?", "thread_id": 16341 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.037281536Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-04-17T21:52:13+0100", "id": "01ef885838b8b1d224dfec8eb29fb9dc", "post_id": "post-217984", "text": "Urwumpe said:That works in Velcro Rockets, but not in reality. For clustering stages around a core, you need structural supports and design the rocket\/ground equipment for it in advance.\n\nWell, then how would costs go designing from ground up a heavy rocket that`s only this big vs designing a medium rocket that can be scaled up according to payload via clusteringAt least the Russian Angara rocket family which is in dewelopment now employs the concept of strapping together 3 - 7 universal rocket modules so the concept has to have some advantages.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.294798336Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-08T17:32:26+0100", "id": "dbff8fcf45c7bfe832c518d517359165", "post_id": "post-221584", "text": "Zachstar said:HTML 5 failed to specify a video codec standard. Leaving it to the wolves to fight it out.Adobe just works.\n\nUsing Flash to watch video is like using a semi truck and tractor trailer to do your weekly grocery shopping.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.677397248Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2008-09-08T00:55:15+0100", "id": "136f374ae67c2fc992447ab37ec88888", "post_id": "post-69132", "text": "Donamy said:Very nice work David !! I'd like to take a look at those meshes, and see if I can reduce them some. Or, do you think they are reduced enough already?\n\nWell, see if you can't optimize it some. Each engine is identical. However, the #2(Left) is clocked 90\u00b0s counter-clockwise. The mesh is clocked for the #1(center) and #3(right) positions.", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.307880704Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-04-17T02:23:28+0100", "id": "3ab853aa59af320c9270af6621c3bfef", "post_id": "post-218130", "text": "That was pretty cool. Thanks for sharing.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.344337152Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2010-05-05T19:31:17+0100", "id": "4afd2c13996811e999d8ac880b068b73", "post_id": "post-221676", "text": "Tuesday is definitely the day, though I don't know what month or year. But there is no doubt about it. Tuesday is officially the day. In the meantime, just pick up a copy of the beta version, these editions come out at random and you need wait till Tuesday.", "thread_id": 14118 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.53979264Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-11-02T11:09:17+0000", "id": "23ba46e34735ef0c743889b031e97ce0", "post_id": "post-252859", "text": "Ghostrider said:Well, if privatized spaceflight really takes off it will be that way everywhere and astro\/cosmonauts will be just salarymen. A couple of decades down the line and they will be paid an ever-dwindling pittance while space companies' managers will be lining their pockets with megatons of dosh while firing engineers by the dumptruckload.\n\nI'm not too sure that it would be efficient to make a dump truck space flight worthy. o.0Darren", "thread_id": 16331 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.308970752Z", "author": "liber", "date": "2011-04-24T19:19:12+0100", "id": "031f29a4338452af02483d7ec47494cf", "post_id": "post-218135", "text": "Avatar shuttle Valkyrie made by:arthur-----a,smodel download from 3D Warehouse:http:\/\/sketchup.google.com\/3dwarehouse\/details?mid=184142e7d56c65358cfc19f2a5d035c3K - bay doorG - landing gearLeftShift + 1 - rotate hover engineLeftShift + 4 - air brake - not animatedF8 - virtual cockpitSince spacecraft3 do not support vector thrust don't fire hover engine before animation,LeftShift+1Valkyrie:http:\/\/www.4shared.com\/account\/file\/X5iIxxqT\/Valkyrie.htmland:https:\/\/rapidshare.com\/files\/459155994\/Valkyrie.zipStill need to tweak aerodynamic,I don't know how,anyone want it well just do it...Anim8or file add to zip.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.364004864Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T19:29:05+0100", "id": "15809b590a9ea730a5ad6e7a76afb770", "post_id": "post-221739", "text": "cjp said:So, how would a smart pointer class handle this? Doesn't this just move the problem to the implementation of the smart pointer class?\n\nYes, but you can check if the object is still valid BEFORE you access its members.", "thread_id": 14122 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.678848Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2008-11-06T12:18:08+0000", "id": "af27081adcc538e963f869a0d1597d33", "post_id": "post-69149", "text": "I still can't test what I've written!! It keeps CTDing me!!!!:compbash2::compbash:I've put some break points inside prestep (which looks like the last thing it does before it CTD) and funny thing: it arrives at some code for OMS engines and then itgoes back, up to the subsys prestep call!!:blink: Also, I can't see the value of some variables in that funct: \"something thrust\" and \"i\" and someother variable, are like outside vars that aren't accessible...Or VS08 is FUBAR or there's some mem corruption going on. I'll keep dig'in... I'll now try a version from last week when it still worked and see what changed......", "thread_id": 1635 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.310080256Z", "author": "XSSA", "date": "2011-05-02T01:43:10+0100", "id": "1ed93b466b36b0126b1d836b161d29c6", "post_id": "post-218145", "text": "Eagle1DivisionHere are the files for the ISV\/VSS\/IPVThese are not usable for Orbiter!", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.429854976Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-07T19:44:34+0100", "id": "054944140daa01c9e165fb2654913e1a", "post_id": "post-221811", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:My mom will not either.\n\nI mean, since your post implies that you're within day-driving distance of the Cape, maybe you could find a friend at school who wants to go and and whose parents would take you too?", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.693663744Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-22T22:53:16+0100", "id": "53b6a900890215a683267added9dd631", "post_id": "post-251121", "text": "JPL: \"Laser Tool for Studying Mars Rocks Delivered to JPL\".The ChemCam instrument for NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission uses a pulsed laser beam to vaporize a pinhead-size target, producing a flash of light from the ionized material -- plasma -- that can be analyzed to identify chemical elements in the target. Image Credit: NASA\/JPL-Caltech\/LANL.\u203a Full image and caption.http:\/\/photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov\/catalog\/PIA13397The NASA Mars Science Laboratory Project's rover, Curiosity, will carry a newly delivered laser instrument named ChemCam to reveal what elements are present in rocks and soils on Mars up to 7 meters (23 feet) away from the rover.The laser zaps a pinhead-sized area on the target, vaporizing it. A spectral analyzer then examines the flash of light produced to identify what elements are present.The completed and tested instrument has been shipped to JPL from Los Alamos for installation onto the Curiosity rover at JPL.ChemCam was conceived, designed and built by a U.S.-French team led by Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, N.M.; NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.; the Centre National d'\u00c9tudes Spatiales (the French national space agency); and the Centre d'\u00c9tude Spatiale des Rayonnements at the Observatoire Midi-Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es, Toulouse, France.For more information, see the Los Alamos National Laboratory news release atwww.lanl.gov\/news\/releases\/mars_mission_laser_tool_heads_to_jpl_newsrelease.html.Information about the Mars Science Laboratory mission is available athttp:\/\/marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov\/mslandwww.nasa.gov\/msl.", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.92013056Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-24T13:26:51+0000", "id": "2d5b0514fecc64fdbd60de921e5bade3", "post_id": "post-217919", "text": "My latest NASASpaceflight article (in co-operation with Chris Gebhardt):ATV-2 Prepares for Docking to International Space Station.Paolo Nespoli aboard the ISS reports a \"tally-ho\" on ATV - now apparently a bight star behind the station!Also, check this out - a music video dedicated to ATV!:)On YouTube:\u200bOn Vimeo:\u200b[ame=\"http:\/\/vimeo.com\/20326709\"]Dosvedanya Mio Bombino: Musical best wishes to astronauts Paolo & Aleksandr for ATV docking on Vimeo[\/ame]", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.430007296Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-08T03:13:56+0100", "id": "81df854ba120156992f4729df899fdf5", "post_id": "post-221812", "text": "If they have enough tickets, you have to buy tickets to see the shuttle launch close up. If he doesn't have enough tickets for his friend's family then he can't go. If he has to many tickets, that's just wasted money.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.783674112Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-04T07:16:39+0100", "id": "faf6c61b4162d3256ce878452294e53b", "post_id": "post-251457", "text": "I'm sure it will go well, but I'm trying to find out if the skycrane can do hazard avoidance. What if it gets blown off course over rocks?", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.92376192Z", "author": "C3PO", "date": "2011-03-09T01:27:05+0000", "id": "e0370f647a40e15d1be2fc3bb99493ff", "post_id": "post-217938", "text": "I think it's the language barrier. Most of her statements didn't really make sense. Or maybe the editing took some things out of context.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.64674176Z", "author": "gaidheal", "date": "2010-05-07T21:35:07+0100", "id": "9b5e1e9964b47bfa0dd4908fe4194db5", "post_id": "post-222095", "text": "Halloo orbinauts!I found this game after having read a book on Infinity which had stuff about the nature of space (infinite? finite? boundless?) and more, and promptly installed it. That was at about 4pm on Wednesday.At about 6am on Thursday, I finally got around to getting off my computer, realising I only had 3 hours until needing to be awake again.So far, I have mastered takeoff and ascent to orbit in DG, but have yet to successfully complete a reentry... at least, in the DG IV and without autopilot.In the weeks to come, I expect to find out what Lagrange points are, make a succesful reentry, dock to the ISS without autopilot, and travel from the earth to the moon. And maybe I'll even have time for the occasional meal!gaidheal", "thread_id": 14152 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.976475136Z", "author": "fort", "date": "2012-08-07T17:11:10+0100", "id": "81a2bcd1088377f89a6dbcf1e6c3e386", "post_id": "post-251752", "text": "Screamer7 said:During the live NASA feed I could not help smiling at Adam Steltzner, despite all that tension.:)\n\nIt indirectly put back me in memory, a group that I listened in the years 1980: the Stray Cats. If nevertheless, me that does not there know big thing, I find him more resemblance with Johnny Cash....\/...Cost of the Curiosity program and of different American spatial programs, European and Russians ( million Euros \/ years of exploitation ) Source: Le Monde NASA \/ ESA.http:\/\/s2.lemde.fr\/image\/2012\/08\/07...ation-de_4dcf5c3d45a4271b7183e438da9fbda7.png", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.24323456Z", "author": "mc_", "date": "2010-04-17T14:31:58+0100", "id": "a938c2c517c54bbf443dcd982bb37dc8", "post_id": "post-218037", "text": "You need to customize the craters around your bases. It is possible through Orulex config program. Just increase diameter ;-)", "thread_id": 13892 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.829007616Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2011-03-08T22:24:22+0000", "id": "3b9bfc8d15253bddb76d6cbdb59a0316", "post_id": "post-222234", "text": "http:\/\/www.nasa.gov\/mission_pages\/voyager\/voyager20110308.htmlVoyager Seeks the Answer Blowin' in the WindPASADENA, Calif. -- In which direction is the sun's stream of charged particles banking when it nears the edge of the solar system? The answer, scientists know, is blowing in the wind. It's just a matter of getting NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft in the right orientation to detect it.To enable Voyager 1's Low Energy Charged Particle instrument to gather these data,the spacecraft performed a maneuver on March 7 that it hadn't done for 21 years, except in a preparatory test last month.At 9:10 a.m. PST (12:10 p.m. EST),humanity's most distant spacecraft rolled 70 degrees counterclockwise as seen from Earth from its normal orientation and held the position by spinning gyroscopes for two hours, 33 minutes. The last time either of the two Voyager spacecraft rolled and stopped in a gyro-controlled orientation was Feb. 14, 1990, when Voyager 1 snapped a family portrait of the planets strewn like tiny gems around our sun (http:\/\/photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov\/catalog\/PIA00451).\"Even though Voyager 1 has been traveling through the solar system for 33 years, it is still a limber enough gymnast to do acrobatics we haven't asked it to do in 21 years,\"said Suzanne Dodd, Voyager project manager, based at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.\"It executed the maneuver without a hitch, and we look forward to doing it a few more times to allow the scientists to gather the data they need.\"The two Voyager spacecraft are traveling through a turbulent area known as the heliosheath. The heliosheath is the outer shell of a bubble around our solar system created by the solar wind, a stream of ions blowing radially outward from the sun at a million miles per hour. The wind must turn as it approaches the outer edge of the bubble where it makes contact with the interstellar wind, which originates in the region between stars and blows by our solar bubble.In June 2010, when Voyager 1 was about 17 billion kilometers (about 11 billion miles) away from the sun, data from the Low Energy Charged Particle instrument began to show that the net outward flow of the solar wind was zero. That zero reading has continued since. The Voyager science team doesn't think the wind has disappeared in that area. It has likely just turned a corner. But does it go up, down or to the side?\"Because the direction of the solar wind has changed and its radial speed has dropped to zero, we have to change the orientation of Voyager 1 so the Low Energy Charged Particle instrument can act like a kind of weather vane to see which way the wind is now blowing,\"said Edward Stone, Voyager project manager, based at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena.\"Knowing the strength and direction of the wind is critical to understanding the shape of our solar bubble and estimating how much farther it is to the edge of interstellar space.\"Voyager engineers performed a test roll and hold on Feb. 2 for two hours, 15 minutes. When data from Voyager 1 were received on Earth some 16 hours later, the mission team verified the test was successful and the spacecraft had no problem in reorienting itself and locking back onto its guide star, Alpha Centauri.The Low Energy Charged Particle instrument science team confirmed that the spacecraft had acquired the kind of information it needed, and mission planners gave Voyager 1 the green light to do more rolls and longer holds. There will be five more of these maneuvers over the next seven days, with the longest hold lasting three hours 50 minutes. The Voyager team plans to execute a series of weekly rolls for this purpose every three months.The success of the March 7 roll and hold was received at JPL at 1:21 a.m. PST (4:21 a.m. EST) on March 8. But it will take a few months longer for scientists to analyze the data.\"We do whatever we can to make sure the scientists get exactly the kinds of data they need, because only the Voyager spacecraft are still active in this exotic region of space,\"said Jefferson Hall, Voyager mission operations manager at JPL.\"We were delighted to see Voyager still has the capability to acquire unique science data in an area that won't likely be traveled by other spacecraft for decades to come.\"Voyager 2 was launched on Aug. 20, 1977. Voyager 1 was launched on Sept. 5, 1977. On March 7, Voyager 1 was 17.4 billion kilometers (10.8 billion miles) away from the sun. Voyager 2 was 14.2 billion kilometers (8.8 billion miles) away from the sun, on a different trajectory.The solar wind's outward flow has not yet diminished to zero where Voyager 2 is exploring, but that may happen as the spacecraft approaches the edge of the bubble in the years ahead.\n\nThis is very impressive.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.022045952Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-11-02T16:36:19+0000", "id": "06979fb0339ede68f705fa6e022f3e13", "post_id": "post-251206", "text": "Florida Today - The Flame Trench:Wind delays rover's move to launch pad", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.303142656Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-04-16T19:26:05+0100", "id": "094fd78ba02b9699391e0e272926a3b3", "post_id": "post-218091", "text": "I agree with him. That thing was a monster even compared to that command craft.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.703156224Z", "author": "astrosammy", "date": "2010-05-09T15:44:19+0100", "id": "91669db5e7f7edccf5bb18b45b97de1e", "post_id": "post-221115", "text": "For rockets, you could also take a look at Velcro Rockets, adding payload is easier with Velcro than with multistage in my opinion, and you don't have to create a guidance file. But it has some limitations with exhaust textures and contrails.", "thread_id": 14086 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:36.036397824Z", "author": "Proximus", "date": "2013-11-24T19:21:09+0000", "id": "1dc77ed67b42abfb2e18c4db9fff5f76", "post_id": "post-252133", "text": "If you wish to meet the power requirements of a device, when the voltage decreases the current must increase P=IV.It's an impressive system that can handle such a massive variation in load. :tiphat:", "thread_id": 16265 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.662563328Z", "author": "Mojave", "date": "2010-04-21T12:51:34+0100", "id": "095377bdf3aa8861d0e45b249da91cb0", "post_id": "post-218707", "text": "I would like to download the Earth L10 texture. I found something on Orbit Hangar Mods, but it is a .rar file, and I don't know how to use that type of file. I can't find it anywhere else. any assistance in this matter would help.", "thread_id": 13948 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.818941952Z", "author": "clive bradbury", "date": "2010-05-02T13:02:43+0100", "id": "0cf11e0d94b91a8ccc6d113709bff146", "post_id": "post-221241", "text": "TheEyes said:Has anybody had this one?It contained an attachment in jpeg form.How would they know that I was the owner of the site? Hacking.Do I own a site? No.\n\nThis one seems to be a straightforward case of SPAM. The company exists (in Manchester), and so does Tim Marshall. However Google maps shows his 'business' address to be a scruffy terraced house in Birmingham. That leads me to suspect that he is just 'cold calling' via e-mail, rather than actually hacking anything.Marshall is probably on a 'commision only' agreement with the main company. Sends out mail en masse then goes back to watching the Jeremy Kyle show until someone replies.", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.348576768Z", "author": "fort", "date": "2010-10-09T15:13:17+0100", "id": "be245fdf0b773b32c3f8aeb6553fd332", "post_id": "post-250388", "text": "Artlav said:Nothing about explosives in russian news, but there they say that the rest of the miners on the surface are protesting around the area because no one paid them wages since early august.\n\nThe New York Times today , about the rescue and a possible use of dynamite:http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2010\/10\/10\/world\/americas\/10chile.html?_r=2&hp", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.336627968Z", "author": "David413", "date": "2010-06-12T22:15:17+0100", "id": "e096573a4553c07fcd26e08e925b5fcc", "post_id": "post-12285", "text": "SiameseCat said:If you want to work on Universal Pointing, that would be great. I had a quick look at the code and I don't think there are any real incompatibilities with Orbiter 2010; just some uninitialized variables which are causing problems. I can send you a fixed version of the code which works on my computer.\n\nThat'd be great; I'll send you my Email address via a PM.", "thread_id": 139 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.039091456Z", "author": "docabn", "date": "2010-05-03T17:42:10+0100", "id": "e0692161614db1aa1b5620745f3b3639", "post_id": "post-221370", "text": "Fat people do less manual labor. If the army is having trouble finding people fit enough to fight so are the construction foremen. It is an unfortunate indicator of the overall health us Americans.", "thread_id": 14097 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.451744256Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-08-25T17:54:31+0100", "id": "ea04b6642344ca0b1f739b26e0d42164", "post_id": "post-250631", "text": "RisingFury said:Religions survived many scientific discoveries that contradicted their holy books and they will survive the possible discovery of life.\n\nAnd actually, many religions have no problems at all with extraterrestrial life. If I remember correctly, the Vatican issued a communiqu\u00e9 some years ago to the effect that \"believing in the existence of extraterrestrial life not being in any way contrary to the teaching of the Church\".", "thread_id": 16212 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.542293504Z", "author": "Fizyk", "date": "2010-04-21T18:00:03+0100", "id": "f8019f1cff836a539666987d853874b6", "post_id": "post-218518", "text": "Artlav said:An interesting question - what would Doppler shifts around a wormhole actually look like?\n\nIf you are using Schwarzschild metric, [math]\\left(1-\\frac{2M}{r}\\right)f[\/math] will be constant for a ray of light (where f is the frequency of light, M is mass of the black hole, and r is the radial coordinate - and G=c=1).More generally, if the metric is stationary ([math]\\frac{\\partial}{\\partial t}[\/math] is a Killing vector), then [math]g\\left( \\frac{\\partial}{\\partial t},u^\\mu\\right)[\/math] will be constant along a geodesic, where [math]u^\\mu[\/math] is the four-velocity.EDIT:I realized I made a mistake here.Let's assume we have two observers, one at [math]r_1[\/math], second at [math]r_2[\/math]. The first observer emits a ray of light with frequency f to the second observer. Let's also assume that the observers don't move, that is, their four-velocities only have the time components (denoted as [math]u_1^0[\/math] and [math]u_2^0[\/math] respectively).The ray of light has some four-velocity [math]f^\\mu[\/math]. It just so happens that the frequency is proportional to the time component of the four-velocity, which for an observer with four-velocity [math]u^\\mu[\/math] equals to [math]f=u^\\mu f_\\mu[\/math]Since [math]u^\\mu u_\\mu = 1[\/math] (four-velocity is normalized), [math]1 = (u_1^0)^2 g_{00}(r_1) = (u_2^0)^2 g_{00}(r_2)[\/math], where [math]g_{00}(r) = \\left(1-\\frac{2M}{r}\\right)[\/math]. Therefore, [math]u_1^0 = \\frac{1}{\\sqrt{g_{00}(r_1)}}[\/math] and [math]u_2^0 = \\frac{1}{\\sqrt{g_{00}(r_2)}}[\/math].So, [math]f = g_{\\mu\\nu}(r_1) u_1^\\mu f^\\nu(r_1) = g_{00}(r_1) u_1^0 f^0(r_1) = \\sqrt{g_{00}(r_1)}f^0(r_1)[\/math] and [math]f' = g_{\\mu\\nu}(r_2) u_2^\\mu f^\\nu = g_{00}(r_2) u_2^0 f^0(r_2) = \\sqrt{g_{00}(r_2)}f^0(r_2)[\/math], where f' is the frequency received by the second observer.Now, from what I said earlier, [math]g_{00}(r_1)f^0(r_1) = g_{00}(r_2)f^0(r_2)[\/math], because [math]g_{00}f^0 = g\\left( \\frac{\\partial}{\\partial t},f^\\mu\\right)[\/math]. Hence:[math]\\sqrt{g_{00}(r_1)}f = \\sqrt{g_{00}(r_2)}f'[\/math]This means I was wrong, and in reality the constant quantity is [math]\\sqrt{1-\\frac{2M}{r}}f[\/math].", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.163247104Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-05-03T19:30:26+0100", "id": "cef1662c2be2329b383de909ae1a818c", "post_id": "post-221425", "text": "Page 4: your memory layout is incorrect. It should be:First 640kB: Base memory, used for applications, and originally also for DOS and drivers.640kB..1MB: Upper Memory Area. Originally meant for communication with hardware, such as the video card and hard drives. Later also used for EMS blocks (which are continuously transported between UMA and the EMS location), and for some system software.High Memory Area: first 64kB of Extended Memory. More recent versions of DOS can place themselves here, so that more base memory is available for applications.ReadWikipediaon everything you are writing down. Wikipedia is not always correct, but on average it's more accurate than your text.---------- Post added at 08:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:00 PM ----------Page 5: Windows 2000 is NOT Windows 98 with(sic) steroids. It is Windows NT on steroids.There are three major branches of windows versions:1:windows 1windows 2windows 3.x2:windows 95windows 98windows ME3:windows NTwindows 2000windows XPwindows Vistawindows 7This is also why DOS games don't work very well on windows XP: families 1 and 2 are based on DOS, but family 3 only contains a very limited DOS emulator.Windows 2000 was supposed to attract home users to family 3, but it failed, so m$ had to release windows ME. Windows XP did what windows 2000 was supposed to do.---------- Post added at 08:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:12 PM ----------Page 5: is it really true that DirectX < 6 is unsupported in windows XP? I can't remember something like that. Can you give me some links to websites that confirm this?---------- Post added at 08:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:18 PM ----------Page 5: on DirectX 10: \"supposed to be\" are the right words. I don't think DirectX 10 provides much beyond DirectX 9. DirectX 8 was a major improvement though, with much better support for programmable graphics processors.Translating older calls to DirectX 10 calls is the proper way to support all versions of the API. I think older versions of DirectX also had a system where old APIs were emulated on top of the latest version. This really adds only alittlebit of extra work, and that isn't so important generally, because older games are designed for having less CPU time. The alternative would be to let each version of DirectX have its own driver, which would mean a lot more work for driver developers, which would make it less likely that a certain combination of DirectX version + hardware will be supported.Yes, the war between DirectX and OpenGL does hurt the industry, or, IMHO, DirectX hurts the industry. But this is not different from other other cases in computer technology where there's not one widely accepted open standard.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.524646144Z", "author": "davewave", "date": "2008-06-20T03:53:18+0100", "id": "f3ab0fbf08e3feaf3998c278276e5768", "post_id": "post-68992", "text": "thanksThanks so much, I was starting to manually calculate the elements using my own maths.Also one other problem, to get the PeA from the PER I need the radius of the earth.How to I get this using your API???", "thread_id": 1623 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.890259712Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-21T22:24:07+0100", "id": "f3bf7ee8877e7e152d78bfddac9e7e17", "post_id": "post-217836", "text": "Launch now Feb. 2011! However, due to conflicts with STS-134 and other traffic, I'm hearing that it may become very difficult for ATV-2 to visit the ISS in 2011! :OMG:Space News: \"Range Conflicts Push ATV-2 Launch at Least to February\".", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.30803968Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-05-05T13:35:53+0100", "id": "99a205cc4ffdcd57f12b0c5412492c51", "post_id": "post-221608", "text": "The big problem with tires that need to work on multiple bodies is the differing gravity. A way to adjust the elasticity of the tire itself would probably safe a lot of weight in (more or less needed) suspension.", "thread_id": 14112 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.92049152Z", "author": "mc_", "date": "2010-08-23T11:45:57+0100", "id": "d2264d5af573454745c9eab360127f96", "post_id": "post-249885", "text": "Looks like it will require a lot of good stuff we already know and like.So, OrbiterShuttle, what is your part of work in this \"pack\"? It will be a scenery or something more? New ships (modules), bases, etc?", "thread_id": 16172 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.922959616Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-25T21:47:06+0000", "id": "3c38926dc6e5e90d427746d665ae2e31", "post_id": "post-217934", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 25\/02\/2011.FE-1 Alexander Kaleri & FE-5 Paolo Nespoli focused most of their work today on accessing the newly arrived European ATV-2 (Automated Transfer Vehicle-2), docked at the SM (Service Module) Aft port.After Paolo reviewed an OBT (Onboard Training) drill covering ATV APO (Attached Phase Operations) procedures to refresh his proficiency:Alexander & Paolo conducted the one-hour leak check on the SM PrK (Transfer Tunnel)\/ATV vestibule (timing critical at 3:39 PM GMT).Alexander & Paolo installed the BZV quick release screw clamps of the SSVP docking mechanism.FE-2 Oleg Skripochka sampled the air with the Russian AK-1M and Draeger IPD-CO sampling equipment.Alexander installed & started the Russian air cleaner to scrub the ATV atmosphere (~4:00 PM GMT; timing critical because the scrubbing may take up to 8 hours).Paolo completing final Ingress (wearing dust respirator & vacuum cleaner) with Oleg repeating air samplings.Time-sequenced with Oleg's AK-1M sampling, CDR Scott Kelly used the US GSC (Grab Sample Container) equipment to collect air samples in the center of the ATV.At ~11:23 PM GMT, all six crewmembers are scheduled for a 15 minute Post-ATV Arrival Additional Emergency Steps Drill, supported by specialist tagup via S-band. [Objectives of the OBT are to familiarize everyone with the location of ATV hardware to be used in emergencies, and to review the main features of ATV emergency response. Focus is on leak isolation, fire in ATV and setting maximum power consumption mode.]ATV Reboost Update:A one-burn reboost of ISS was performed successfully this morning at 10:33 AM GMT using the ATV-2 OCS (Orbit Correction System) thrusters. Burn duration was 3 minutes 18 seconds; delta-V: 0.5 m\/s (1.6 ft\/s); mean altitude gain: 0.86 km (0.43 nmi). Purpose of the reboost was to test the ATV OCS thrusters as well as set up phasing for Soyuz TMA-01M\/24S landing and Soyuz TMA-21\/26S launch.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.339894272Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-05-05T11:50:03+0100", "id": "8191bb2ee75aee5e516bab9b4a505503", "post_id": "post-221670", "text": "This is a AP Calculus BC course, we don't do proofs. The AP exam is actually in roughly one and a half hour, so no, this isn't a homework assignment either;)http:\/\/www.collegeboard.com\/student\/testing\/ap\/cal\/cal2.htmlThis was a problem in a sample exam:The slope of f(x) is twice the x value. Given that f(2) = 3, what is f(3)?\n\nHere is my solution:f'(x) = 2x [since the slope is twice the x value]f(x) = integral (2x dx)= x^2 + cUse the initial condition f(2) = 3 to solve for c:4+c=3c=-1so the function is f(x) = x^2 - 1You plug three in it: f(3) = 9-1 to get 8.\n\nI got the right answer. The majority of the class got the right answer as well, but they did by taking the average rate of change between x = 3 and x = 2 then adding it to the initial value of 3 to get eight. I thought that this didn't make sense. It's an intuitive uneasiness. So I consulted the physics forum\/this forum about the question. Responders in the physics forum stated that generally speaking the method the class used doesn't hold, but it holds for quadratics. I have already tried proving this myself. I am not getting any good results. So I asked whether someone else can provide the proof.What I came up with makes no sense. Considering the fact that this is a high school elementary Calculus course, and that I haven't taken a class that deals with formally proving things, I don't expect my proofs to be rigorous and thus are just wrong... I explicitly stated the problem and a solution for it so that I don't have people accusing me of having them do my homework. So two irrelevant replies, one slightly useful, and the other accusatory. Brilliant.", "thread_id": 14117 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.342447616Z", "author": "vonneuman", "date": "2010-08-24T21:19:54+0100", "id": "8c6ffd06ea110a0ca537083577f68b0c", "post_id": "post-250358", "text": "It is amazing that they are still alive down there. You never hear about the miners actually making it to the shelter. It is also amazing that they actually found out how to get fresh water underground. As for the morale, once they get the video conferencing equipment that they are sending down they should stay in good spirits once they are able to talk to their families.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.98109952Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-04-18T00:30:46+0100", "id": "31a2f2e7f5dc603f0e55d01758d739b1", "post_id": "post-217974", "text": "Remember that the beacon has a range of 1,000km. if you aren't in range then you won't pick it up.", "thread_id": 13885 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.62880128Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-10T09:59:53+0100", "id": "b1ccc8e7a8aba5d62747ee53e2cff62b", "post_id": "post-222082", "text": "dbeachy1 said:In any case, here is the method the XR framework uses to show or hide mesh groups....What I'll do for now is add a config option to disable the heating mesh feature.\n\nThat won't be necessary, should now be fixed, thank you for info.Here is an update:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/ogla-100510-2.zip(ADDED: Gear fix)Now, what about the rolling gears animation?What is unusual about it?EDIT: Nvm, that's entirely my bug.dbeachy1 said:A more likely culprit is memory corruption by another add-on\n\nSounds plausible, it crashes on clean beta 100503, any debugger i have (VC2005, Delphi7, GDB).EDIT:Please note, this is by no means a priority, as it does not affect other users much. I have other ways of debugging for such cases.Here is the stack:Code:First-chance exception at 0x09928f68 in orbiter.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0xbaadf00d.\nUnhandled exception at 0x09928f68 in orbiter.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0xbaadf00d.\n\n \tXR2Ravenstar.dll!09928f68() \t\n \t[Frames below may be incorrect and\/or missing, no symbols loaded for XR2Ravenstar.dll]\t\n>\tmsvcr80d.dll!_unlock(int locknum=4) Line 376\tC\n \tmsvcr80d.dll!_heap_alloc_dbg(unsigned int nSize=72, int nBlockUse=1, const char * szFileName=0x00000000, int nLine=0) Line 477 + 0x7 bytes\tC++\n \tmsvcr80d.dll!_heap_alloc_dbg(unsigned int nSize=72, int nBlockUse=1, const char * szFileName=0x00000000, int nLine=0) Line 474 + 0xc bytes\tC++\n \tmsvcr80d.dll!_nh_malloc_dbg(unsigned int nSize=72, int nhFlag=0, int nBlockUse=1, const char * szFileName=0x00000000, int nLine=0) Line 268 + 0x15 bytes\tC++\n \tmsvcr80d.dll!malloc(unsigned int nSize=72) Line 154 + 0x15 bytes\tC++\n \tmsvcr80d.dll!operator new(unsigned int size=43296156) Line 59 + 0x9 bytes\tC++\n \t00311d58()\t\n \tXR2Ravenstar.dll!09923d66() \t\n \tOGLAClient.dll!_GetSystemTimeAsFileTime@4() + 0xe18 bytes\tC++\n \tOGLAClient.dll!oapi::OGLAClient::clbkCreateReentryStream(PARTICLESTREAMSPEC * pss=0x738801f0, void * hVessel=0x009ff644) Line 174 + 0x1b bytes\tC++\n \tmsvcp80.dll!7382f69d() \t\n \tmsvcr80.dll!73894c58() \t\n \tmsvcp80.dll!7382cb59() \t\n \tmsvcp80.dll!7381f76d() \t\n \torbiter.exe!004a54e6() \t\n \twinmm.dll!7374271c() \t\n \torbiter.exe!004a99aa() \t\n \torbiter.exe!004182c9() \t\n \tntdll.dll!7746fd6e() \t\n \tntdll.dll!77470d18() \t\n \tntdll.dll!77470cfc() \t\n \tntdll.dll!77470cfc() \t\n \tntdll.dll!7742a967() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773d36fa() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773bf992() \t\n \tKernelBase.dll!76d0b75d() \t\n \tkernel32.dll!74fc13f8() \t\n \tmsvcr80.dll!738aecdf() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773d36fa() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773d36fa() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773d32f2() \t\n \tkernel32.dll!74fc14d1() \t\n \tmsvcr80.dll!73894c39() \t\n \tmsvcr80.dll!73894c58() \t\n \tmsvcp80.dll!7382f69d() \t\n \tmsvcr80.dll!73894c58() \t\n \tmsvcp80.dll!7382cb59() \t\n \tmsvcp80.dll!7381f71f() \t\n \torbiter.exe!0042038b() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773bfa8a() \t\n \tkernel32.dll!7506870f() \t\n \torbiter.exe!004a5a86() \t\n \torbiter.exe!0041927c() \t\n \torbiter.exe!0049eb15() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216238() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216941() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216901() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216899() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216941() \t\n \tmsctf.dll!75744505() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216238() \t\n \tuser32.dll!752412a1() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75241259() \t\n \tuser32.dll!7521701b() \t\n \tuser32.dll!752410e2() \t\n \tuser32.dll!7522b160() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216238() \t\n \tuser32.dll!752168ea() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216899() \t\n \tuser32.dll!75216941() \t\n \tuser32.dll!7521cd1a() \t\n \tuser32.dll!7521cd81() \t\n \tuser32.dll!7524955f() \t\n \tuser32.dll!752370a9() \t\n \torbiter.exe!0041930a() \t\n \torbiter.exe!00419587() \t\n \torbiter.exe!004a8e3b() \t\n \tkernel32.dll!74fc3677() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773d9d72() \t\n \tntdll.dll!773d9d45()---------- Post added at 12:59 ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 ----------And, here is the fix for gear animation bug:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/ogla-100510-2.zip", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.347150336Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-09-19T18:19:36+0100", "id": "5ef98dd33cdf6e997efed2ae78d88577", "post_id": "post-250378", "text": "Drill reaches trapped chilean minersThe video of the drill bit breakthrough is quite interesting.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.985385472Z", "author": "rucinter", "date": "2010-04-16T21:03:27+0100", "id": "5911ddb5099b92fb7697b6fae5df548e", "post_id": "post-217976", "text": "I'm using Shuttle Fleet Expansion Pack, STS-131 mission, FD3-FD4 scenario, trying to get Leonardo attached to ISS from shuttle cargobay. I understand that I have to do this using SSRMS. That is pressing F3 and selecting SSRMS. Is there a way to specify Leonardo's grapple points as TGT values so that the SSRMS can move automatically to those selected points (or at least close to them), or the operation should be done manually? If it can be done automatically, how can I found out the values that I should input to SSRMS? I have the manual, but it's pretty confusing at this point.", "thread_id": 13886 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.830735872Z", "author": "Rtyh-12", "date": "2011-06-10T08:42:53+0100", "id": "b35cb28678054a9270e3872b8dfe2f20", "post_id": "post-222245", "text": "It's amazing that two little probes that began their journey decades ago, designed to visit four big balls of gas, are still \"alive\", still send data back and revolutionize the way we see the universe. :hail: Voyagers!", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.86658944Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-08-22T22:57:50+0100", "id": "951956e3ef022b3d351577f5cf426b80", "post_id": "post-249781", "text": "Apparently, it's a mini-sub they've constructed themselves, on an unrelated hobby project.(source)The submarine Nautilus was mated to the \"Sputnik\" MLP and readied for towing it to the launch site. We figure it will take about 36 hours of sailing.\n\nedit: [ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/UC3_Nautilus\"]UC3 Nautilus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]", "thread_id": 16165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.208744192Z", "author": "mc_", "date": "2010-04-17T11:58:12+0100", "id": "f1e94a753717d67b1270b5e2475f37e7", "post_id": "post-218027", "text": "This wold not be accurate enough. I used slingshot program to leave moon`s orbit, but cant remember, how...It was somethig like this:Left MFD - target intercept, tgt=EarthRight MFD - Shared=0, slingshot - set to \"course proram\"", "thread_id": 13890 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.832815872Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2011-11-15T01:49:02+0000", "id": "323293e84fde4357deeb8a7bc2e6a699", "post_id": "post-222259", "text": "I believe that they switch them around from time to time to give all sets of thrusters a workout.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.932409088Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-08-23T09:15:16+0100", "id": "e1f6a2a121049115ef92ac5bb08394d9", "post_id": "post-249896", "text": "I'd like to be able to switch it to single player mode.:p", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.30657536Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2011-04-17T01:05:17+0100", "id": "5e0666725677300b469c7be5fe812ed3", "post_id": "post-218118", "text": "the valkyrie is that big? it not gave me that impression in the film", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.84373632Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2023-08-20T16:06:44+0100", "id": "293ea89100e5a184deaa8ca8be15a145", "post_id": "post-611221", "text": "Voyager 2 was launched 46 years ago!:hailprobe:Interesting video about the CGI views of the probes encounters:", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.273928704Z", "author": "Turbo", "date": "2010-09-04T17:26:20+0100", "id": "a984b9dfc42d90fd5e8ddcc2b658b833", "post_id": "post-250329", "text": "ACSACSoft said:Thanks Guys !I am happy it seem to work now for everybody !I suspect that maybe this CTD is linked with ATI graphic driver (who apparently use msvcr80.dll library). Those who suffered of this CTD, could-you report if your PC is equipped with ATI hardware ? This would be interesting to know.ACS\n\nNo sir, Im using an Nvidia Geforce 9600GT. It always crashed on LRV in 2010 until that latest patch (test2). Sure is nice exploring the Moon in style now :thumbup: :hail::probe:", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.62111872Z", "author": "mjanicki", "date": "2011-10-27T07:29:27+0100", "id": "815f1a4c267b278dbb262829c0200364", "post_id": "post-218660", "text": "MetalheadOC said:I'm trying to get this to work with a Velco Proton 3rd stage, and I get nothing. Could it be related to this fellow's question?\n\nIf you're using one of the Proton launch vehicles that comes with the Velcro package, then that launch vehicle uses the Velcro modules. You can only have one module associated with a vehicle, so the Generic Station module can't be used with such vehicles without the vehicle losing all of its other capabilities. The Generic module is really only for those vehicles which are nothing more than a mesh and a config file.I haven't used it myself, but you might want to try something like [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3509\"]UMMUFA[\/ame] which gives UMMU capability, but not UCGO, to any vessel with a docking port. I haven't used any of the Velcro launchers so can't so whether or not that will work for you, but it might be worth a look.-- Mike", "thread_id": 13942 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.920781824Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-05-03T20:11:55+0100", "id": "412e777dd6c5b47336e42bb07043092d", "post_id": "post-221265", "text": "1: Everything is on activated. From the config file:Code:Advanced_Graphics=1\nShadows_General_Switch=1\nShadows_Mode=Low_Stencil \/\/Off, Projective, Low_Stencil, Med_Stencil, High_Stencil, Mapped\nTerrain=1\nTerrain_Mode=0\nMultilight=1\nFast_Multilight=1\nMultilight_Terrain=1\nAdvanced_atmosphere=0\nRaytraced_atmosphere=12: Sorry!3: Will test the other two options.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.443245824Z", "author": "Zatnikitelman", "date": "2012-08-14T19:28:03+0100", "id": "48a5cf8ec7248566c8999473d09a63a4", "post_id": "post-250604", "text": "First, my \"battle station\" from when I rode Amtrak's Crescent this summer. This was taken about an hour south of Manassas heading southbound back home to Atlanta. I call it \"Multitasking, Amtrak Style\"This is my desk however:", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.762748672Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-19T15:45:09+0100", "id": "56f81aefb459860b9fb193420499299e", "post_id": "post-217690", "text": "doggie015 said:http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/story\/0,2933,257340,00.htmlEnough said...\n\nNot enough.The million-dollar question is - are his articles and edits wrong and by how much?", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.134670336Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-04T08:20:30+0100", "id": "905bab3fe2973fdf58593f1f81bab51e", "post_id": "post-221400", "text": "FordPrefect said:http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=efmuBBtwI5c\n\nApogee Books have added another video;http:\/\/www.apogeebooks.com\/N.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.6022336Z", "author": "cinder1992", "date": "2010-08-28T13:43:42+0100", "id": "5a7757ab0a0deeff6ded1d8ad6638aed", "post_id": "post-250991", "text": "oh dear:probe:, don't get me started. their Irish translator is space-junk. I would know.", "thread_id": 16252 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.865807104Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-04-01T12:13:19+0100", "id": "a99a6877b8a6ba4d90485905b7939ad2", "post_id": "post-217780", "text": "A video of Leonov's spacewalk :That suit was strongly inflated and allowed very little mobility. In fact, he got jammed in the airlock and had to deflate it manually to reenter Voskhod.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.192821504Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-05T17:01:06+0100", "id": "2109106cf1c0c2817816354c0290349e", "post_id": "post-221489", "text": "Downloading it now, can't wait to start updating...:coffee:I'll be happy if I'm playing this by Friday. Very happy indeed, if it's better than Mechassault (XBox) was. I'm a big fan of Battletech, but somehow never played the PC games.Big walking metal machines with lasers, rockets and guns that aren't Japanese for once sounds like a real treat.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.934563328Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-08-24T19:06:14+0100", "id": "c7b02c18c91bb825d008c32de26cbb4f", "post_id": "post-249908", "text": "I think it would be possible to produce a cooperative multiplayer mode with multiple players controlling one vessel, by the vessel alone... there are some tricky problems for this, but not as tough problems as multiple vessels.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.919794176Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-22T19:56:50+0000", "id": "041be9a51b72403945a2865d83bf6d5d", "post_id": "post-217917", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 22\/02\/2011.Preparatory to the arrival of ATV-2 (Automated Transfer Vehicle-2) \"Johannes Kepler\" on 24\/02 (Thursday), Cady & FE-2 Oleg Skripochka set up the Ku-band video \"scheme\" for a communications test of converting the RS (Russian Segment) video signal from the SONY HDV camera to US NTSC format and Ku-band from FGB & SM, for downlinking \"streaming video\" packets via US OpsLAN and Ku-band. [For the test, Cady configured the SSC-1 (Station Support Computer-1) A31p laptop in the FGB with the NViewer application for MPEG-2 (Moving Pictures Expert Group-2) monitor-viewing, and the Simvol-Ts LIV television system (converter & monitor) for both the conversion and the \"streaming\" MPEG-2 encoding was activated by the automated \"Daily Flight Program\" sequencer, for Oleg to run the video test from the RS. The equipment was then closed down.]For an ATV pre-docking communications test, Paolo was scheduled for a quick call from the ATV Control Center in Toulouse, France at ~7:00 PM GMT, to make sure that everything is ready for rendezvous day (where a similar check will be repeated).", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.093517568Z", "author": "NukeET", "date": "2008-04-10T07:19:54+0100", "id": "e29cf52c4782d6ad8d7753eb2227b604", "post_id": "post-12297", "text": "n0mad23 said:Who hasn't experienced deja-vu before? It's unsettling in the implications. What do you do with clairvoyance then? How is freewill and the random possible if you can have glimpses of the future?\n\n\"There's a divinity that shapes our ends,Rough-hew them how we will,--\" - Hamlet", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.16345216Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-01-22T10:29:30+0000", "id": "d8af4f34c4f62a36219fb7e80e9c61c3", "post_id": "post-250180", "text": "Spaceflight Now :Japan dispatches delivery mission to space stationJapan successfully launched a robotic spaceship Saturday full of supplies to stock the International Space Station with scientific gear, spare parts and provisions for the lab's six-person crew. Launch of the H-2B rocket occurred as scheduled at 0537 GMT (12:37 a.m. EST).Btw, nice week for spaceflight !! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.53250432Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-20T15:11:41+0100", "id": "4982b54c7ea9ad7f58b7362491fc467e", "post_id": "post-218482", "text": "N_Molson said:One of my dreams (other than getting in space) would be to take the TransSiberian once in my life. It must be a real experience !!\n\nYou can try a virtual tour for now:http:\/\/www.google.ru\/intl\/ru\/landing\/transsib\/en.htmlI tried to find a map of Russian railway lines to put on this thread, but they are either too large and segmented or too cramped. It's best to say that railway traffic is simply lifeblood for Russia. Despite that our passenger trains are mostly slow compared to Europe and mostly with worse accommodations (with some costly exceptions).I'm happy that it's still a state-owned enterprise: they manage to keep tracks in good condition, and run trains on time.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.212185856Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-05-04T01:17:30+0100", "id": "a423a888ba82fa6a35122fecd6ddd2e8", "post_id": "post-221519", "text": ":welcome:to Orbiter-Forum!And don't worry, your English is fine!:cheers:", "thread_id": 14107 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.477700608Z", "author": "Allan", "date": "2010-08-25T17:59:45+0100", "id": "a7f7feee234067bcae4095332931c846", "post_id": "post-250685", "text": "If solar sails were used as a secondary backup mode of propulsion on interplanetary space craft would it be practical?How fast could a solar sail move a space craft (say the size of a contemporary air craft carrier) if the craft were at a dead stop or near stop?Would a solar sail be steerable like a traditional wind sail on earth? Would adjusting its pitch allow you to influence its direction?Could a portion of the photons bouncing off the sail be harvested and stored as electrical power without taking away from the propulsion?", "thread_id": 16219 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.607927552Z", "author": "dutchpirate", "date": "2008-05-10T20:59:34+0100", "id": "c90ccfb51661aa02a6a0ab414923656b", "post_id": "post-65137", "text": "Hit the ground too fast!:rofl:I'm not sure if there is a keyboard control for that, I have dual throttles on my joystick so I just assign the 2nd throttle to either the hover or retro engines. Depending on the type of controller you use, you may be able to use Fly by wire (orbithanger) to assign a control to handle your hover engines. Won't be instant, but almost as good.", "thread_id": 1394 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.295335936Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-09T09:11:00+0100", "id": "3862cf3df9db89669e74836b8acc487a", "post_id": "post-221589", "text": "Zachstar said:Unless its H264 in which case I would have to use some kind of HTML5 to VLC or whatever plugin assuming there isnt some darn DRM measure that prevents such.\n\nThe same with Flash, so you can't really use this as argument. And if H.264 gets used as web standard officially, this wouldn't be needed. Also, HTML5 allows selecting the animation format, so you can always override the selection anyway. If your favorite codec becomes standard, there is no guarantee you can watch all movies anyway without plug-ins.HTML5 just permits more freedom for the browsers in the plug-in design, for example having special plug-in classes for media types.Zachstar said:Also how can flash be considered a truck when it can run on a cell phone? Sure webGL likely kicks its butt at 3D rendering but for video Flash 10.1 just works.\n\nIs more a sign how the processing power of smart phones improved over the years.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.602043392Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-08-28T12:42:23+0100", "id": "cf475b4459d1f668104a1e216fd6896c", "post_id": "post-250990", "text": "Yes, for example I told it to translate \"translator\" into English and it translated it into \"translater\". :lol:No offense!", "thread_id": 16252 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71430656Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-17T20:00:30+0100", "id": "d5b4921e5e7278b27fb7a7d8a795edaf", "post_id": "post-217637", "text": "DaveS said:1: See the attached screenshot. The problem area is that \"shelf\" that casts shadows. It makes the Cape appear as if it is located about 100 ft below MSL, while in reality is located a couple of ft above MSL.2: Negative.3: Makes the ground see-through.\n\nGood.Nice solution: Download Earth heightmap.Quick solution: Replace earth.crater with \"Cape Canaveral,-1,1,400000\".", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.36382976Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-05-05T19:23:03+0100", "id": "12afc79e9465f4d8acf7197b20379d6d", "post_id": "post-221737", "text": "Urwumpe said:Yes. Maybe it would be smarter to use smart pointers instead of directly handling the references, so you never call IncRef on a not-existing object.\n\nSo, how would a smart pointer class handle this? Doesn't this just move the problem to the implementation of the smart pointer class?dbeachy1 said:Also, it really isn't kosher to have a non-static member method delete the 'this' object -- you'd be destroying the object while one of the methods that rely on it is still running.:)\n\nMaybe not kosher, but I'm not Jewish:p. When searching for C++ \"delete this\", I found a website that listed four conditions that need to be satisfied to make this safe. I satisfy all four, but I agree it's still a bit ugly, because one of the conditions needs to be satisfied outside the class (objects shall only be created with new, and never on the stack, or with new[], or ...). Besides, have you ever heard of a static method doing 'delete this'?", "thread_id": 14122 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.350532352Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-10-13T10:48:52+0100", "id": "7a6eded3eed076682f0a68b54e8874e0", "post_id": "post-250402", "text": "Just a tiny update, explosives had been used for increasing the height of the workshop room, in which the miners enter the capsule, because otherwise the doors could not be opened. It all looks very similar to the events in Lengede, years before my birth, almost like a modern deja vu.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.300807424Z", "author": "fsci123", "date": "2011-04-15T13:05:40+0100", "id": "0e2bcc0a81f3244dadf3530c96ca05f0", "post_id": "post-218072", "text": "I remember when i first saw avatar i jumped out of my movie-seat when i saw that attractive spacecraft... And then i saw the rest of the movie...Which was completely horrible...But the ISV should be made into a US-made vehicle... And the solar sail widened to like .5km... Fusion engines would be better than antimatter...", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.850355968Z", "author": "ryan", "date": "2008-05-12T07:03:38+0100", "id": "7a69853607f8fb0ee3231afce76076c1", "post_id": "post-65290", "text": "Hey people, im bored with orbiter, ive done everything, what do you suggest i do. Any add-ons that has never been seen before and it's a really good add-on? What do you think i should do?", "thread_id": 1417 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.367175936Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2008-05-26T09:50:15+0100", "id": "8a8a1bdf162e2a5b374dc305aba91e34", "post_id": "post-68958", "text": "Author:sputnikProject Pilot was an attempt by the Navy's NOTS (Naval Ordnance Test Site, at China Lake) to air-launch a simple satellite on a simpler collection of unguided off-the-shelf (NOTS-built) solid rocket motors.\u00a0 The project was nicknamed NOTSNIK.Includes an F4D Skyray launch aircraft, and the NOTSNIK micro-satellite launcher.\u00a0 Adds NAS China Lake and Inyokern airport to your Project X-15 scenery.RequiresVelcro RocketsandProject X-15 sceneryto work.DOWNLOAD", "thread_id": 1620 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.440011264Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-19T00:04:01+0100", "id": "64fe1aa9440968c5aed0930879137269", "post_id": "post-218224", "text": "Ghostrider said:Yeah! Well done, George! STICK IT TO DA MAN!:)\n\nI've noticed we can always rely on you to make such insightful comments. :lol:", "thread_id": 13907 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.192516096Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-05-05T11:39:29+0100", "id": "4fea36f889ede2494709b66e45140103", "post_id": "post-221487", "text": "I got it installed, but it kept asking for CD2. After searching the MTX forums, I found I needed to update. Trouble is, the next time I opened MTX MW4 wasn't listed, so I couldn't update it. Ended up uninstalling it. Going to try again tonight after work.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.447620096Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2008-05-26T09:50:15+0100", "id": "c4c82767cb3a97c6365535a2c28f53dc", "post_id": "post-68962", "text": "Visual C++ project and source files for the Orb:Connect Plugin. The plugin only is available as a separate download.[ame=http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3394]More...[\/ame]", "thread_id": 1621 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71538816Z", "author": "bpops", "date": "2010-04-18T22:58:27+0100", "id": "1a9d2b59dd067c2505661a6aa8c8cd45", "post_id": "post-217646", "text": "Ah thanks Heilor. I did read the instructions, but I have an ATI card. So apparently ATI cards have this issue too.I disabled the non-pot limit, and got a CTD. I've attached a screenshot of the error. Here is ogla.log:4\/18\/2010 4:56:42 PM| INIT| OGLA v100416 (GLGR)4\/18\/2010 4:56:48 PM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.24\/18\/2010 4:56:48 PM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.44\/18\/2010 4:56:48 PM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 2.04\/18\/2010 4:56:48 PM| INIT| glgruva=1, usevbo=1, vboav=1, glgr_stensh_aupd=0, gvsync=0, gl_comp_sup=1, gl_shm4=04\/18\/2010 4:56:49 PM| OGLADBG| OGLA 100416 Debug.4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)4\/18\/2010 4:56:55 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 694E5614 in module 'atioglxx.dll'. Read of address 00000018 (hc=0)\n\n", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.212334592Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T01:47:24+0100", "id": "6fa31b719f14ac35aec5340974675cc3", "post_id": "post-221520", "text": "Hello, \u00c1lvaro!:welcome:and enjoy your stay!", "thread_id": 14107 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.859228416Z", "author": "Spacethingy", "date": "2010-11-19T20:52:04+0000", "id": "e69dce7c538b9af008616a6f3067f202", "post_id": "post-249763", "text": "I don't do much of that myself... :lol:I've got CTD a couple of times now when I try to load the MFD in the DGIV. Is this a bug?:eek:hsnap:This MFD makes a much less nail-biting landing than BaseLand MFD - but the takeoffs are terrifying!:edit: This is weird. I get the CTD whenever I load up LOLA in a new vessel. When I try again, it's all fine.Edit 2: Ouch, just hit a NaNSpace teleport in the Arrow on final doing a balistic trajectory to Brighton Beach. Nasty.", "thread_id": 16164 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.889126656Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-16T16:36:22+0100", "id": "f71cb9efb40a5034f092056c9b0cbc4e", "post_id": "post-217829", "text": "Urwumpe said:Gooooooood!That means the last resupply ship before Christmas and New Year is no US Shuttle. Nothing against the US spacecraft, really, but some special liquid pieces of cargo are better handled by responsible adults.:cheers:\n\nA Cosmonaut's diary:lol:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.29238144Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2010-05-04T18:37:43+0100", "id": "434ad4297f6266ab3f7ea99cdf36b875", "post_id": "post-221555", "text": "Regardless of the veracity of Apples claims regarding Flash, the very fact that they are trying to say what software may and may not be installed be installed on their devices is a disturbing trend. They sell a device. It is up to the people who buy the device, and whose property the device becomes, to determine what software it will run. Apple licensing software to run on the iPhone is basically them still claiming partial ownership of the device after they've sold it, and is thus a good reason for both developers and customers to avoid it.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.271949312Z", "author": "Mantis", "date": "2010-09-02T16:16:35+0100", "id": "ae9334cc2ce538afceeb726f839169e0", "post_id": "post-250315", "text": "ACSoft said:Mantis,You mean with both set Test-Modules AND Test2-Modules ?ACS\n\nActually, I just tried the second set. I assumed that they superceded the first set. Should I try it with the first set as well?", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.898407168Z", "author": "Kyle", "date": "2011-02-15T22:21:23+0000", "id": "76cfa8ec791db8544a0ee0ddc1a84c59", "post_id": "post-217884", "text": "Automatic 1 day delay to STS-133. February 25th now.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.543787008Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-05-07T12:57:42+0100", "id": "6279e89d14a1ddf1688c62a8ace8e07c", "post_id": "post-222045", "text": "http:\/\/www.computerworld.com\/s\/article\/9176409\/Sharp_stock_market_drop_likely_human_computer_errorTrader attempting to short-sell 16 million shares of S&P 500 stock entered a 'b' for billion instead of an 'm' for million, sources saidThe Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted almost 1,000 points in a half-hour today, the cause of which appears to be human error exacerbated by a market made more volatile by high-speed trades and automatic sale orders that are measured in milliseconds.According to published reports and sources a trader attempting to short-sell 16 million shares of S&P 500 stock, possibly involving Proctor & Gamble profits, entered a \"b\" for billion instead of an \"m\" for million. That error sent high frequency traders scurrying, causing liquidity to vanish.The Dow fell as low as 9,867 points from its previous day's close of 10,868 before rebounding to 10,464 points by the close of the market today.\n\nBe careful when programming and using your code.", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.443081472Z", "author": "palebluevoice", "date": "2012-08-14T17:27:45+0100", "id": "5da38b21bcba3c1b3ccbb21d578c2d03", "post_id": "post-250601", "text": "Pipcard said:Am I worthless if I don't have at least a $1000 computer with two screens (or a touch-screen), and a joystick?My computer cost $400-$500, because that was the goal for the allowance I was getting (for playing music at church, but I don't do that anymore).\n\nI had the same computer from when I was 12 to 18(got my own bank account and saved up enough to get a nice starting package), so I know the feeling; just hang in there. You can get a logitech \"attack 3\" joystick for $30, that's pretty much the standard entry level joystick; I bought one for my dad for father's day. They're a little clunky and lacking buttons, but if you try to get more features in that price range, you sacrifice durability.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.137693696Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-20T08:48:43+0100", "id": "fbd48c72b90da9f63a19f7eedeea202b", "post_id": "post-218014", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:You'd mentioned automated docking, the Russians have got that tech in the bag, ESA's done it too.\n\nJapan as well, while no automatic docking, getting the HTV to the ISS for being grappled by the robot arm is only slightly simpler.The USA failed their attempts for that so far, but the USA also didn't try very hard yet.PhantomCruiser said:The engineers would have a field day with a project like that, don't you think?\n\nSure, especially if this means that they can finally do something new every year, and not do the same in different flavors.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.544760576Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-07T23:56:30+0100", "id": "7d4029664a1f18b8c49ba9bc22314d4f", "post_id": "post-222052", "text": "Ark said:I need to learn how to short sell, it sounds like the only way to make real money in the market.\n\nIt is speculation...:cheers:They use the specularity feature of orbiter meshes...", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.586567936Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-08-27T18:29:27+0100", "id": "359d3c7558cb6183365ddba8884f3246", "post_id": "post-250970", "text": "perhaps it would be double the awesome if the navigator could integrate to orbiter in the way i described above :hmm:...how awesome would it be to be able to check your flight path just by zooming out?:rolleyes:something like that would ease a lot on the learning curve deal... specially for the new guys:cool:", "thread_id": 16248 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.554344704Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-04-21T08:55:32+0100", "id": "30f140361a4badccceb3e591e8beb6ef", "post_id": "post-218562", "text": "dgatsoulis said:Hmm... You're not Greek my friend, so there's no way to make you feel \"a Greek's\" mentality...So... yes, i have a girlfriend and also a soon to be fiance. Does that make me a bad person?\n\nFrom what you describe, I'm falling under impression that the shape of Greek mentality was mostly influenced by Aristippus. :lol:", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.924922368Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-05-08T20:15:23+0100", "id": "085d53f7fc0d5d3d88c57d313ab9635f", "post_id": "post-221310", "text": "OK, went to check what you posted last. Tried to open Orbiter_ng. The frist thing that happened is the Orbiter icon appeared on the start bar at the bottom but would not open the launch pad. After right clicking on it to select it I got a \"Unkown Author\" screen for which I clicked \"Run\". The Launch pad then opened but without any scenarios and the Video button was missing. See attached screenie.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.901222912Z", "author": "marcogavazzeni", "date": "2010-08-23T00:53:51+0100", "id": "424a2891c9e08cb04f125b09334b078f", "post_id": "post-249832", "text": "I tried a thousand times but does not work, the lights come on properly, keyboard works, it is only with the mouse I can not run.If anyone can help I would be very happy, thanks:hail:Code:[FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New]oapiVCRegisterArea (AID_NAVMODE, _R( 0,0, 262,32), PANEL_REDRAW_MOUSE|PANEL_REDRAW_USER, PANEL_MOUSE_LBDOWN, PANEL_MAP_BACKGROUND, tex4);[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New]oapiVCSetAreaClickmode_Quadrilateral (AID_NAVMODE,[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New]_V(-0.843884764f,0.123497933f,16.36420527f),[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New]_V(-0.689299533f,0.129213263f,16.35194677f),[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New]_V(-0.843884764f,0.106857749f,16.35644716f),[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New]_V(-0.689299533f,0.112573079f,16.34418865f));[\/FONT]\n[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier 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New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff]if[\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New] ((ctrl % 44) < 42) {[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New]ToggleNavmode (6 -ctrl\/44);[\/FONT]\n[\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#008000]\/\/ oapiTriggerPanelRedrawArea (0, AID_NAVMODE);[\/COLOR][\/FONT]\n[\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff] return[\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff]true[\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New];[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New] }[\/FONT]\n[\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New] }[\/FONT]\n[\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff] return[\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff]false[\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New];[\/FONT]\n[FONT=Courier New]}[\/FONT]\n[\/FONT]I copied and pasted the code of shuttleA to see if it was a mistake to locate the area of the click", "thread_id": 16169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.601737472Z", "author": "Schimz", "date": "2010-05-04T17:25:09+0100", "id": "9dd6250aed58160f8e4776aa0fc8c60b", "post_id": "post-218638", "text": "ar81 said:If I want to create a vessel, how do you estimate its empty weight?\n\nIf it can takeoff, add weight", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.185188608Z", "author": "diogom", "date": "2010-08-27T00:34:25+0100", "id": "dc9de2728a076cae61e3bfb41acffc42", "post_id": "post-221474", "text": "The image wasn't very clear, it was a bit blurred, and I needed to adjust focus, so the reason for no details may have been that, but with that speed and no experience, it's a little hard.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.525078784Z", "author": "kuddel", "date": "2008-08-14T22:57:35+0100", "id": "9ee0c7a21a89ac5a1d8fe8411b186a39", "post_id": "post-68996", "text": "Hi alik,I think this forum is not \"full of PHP-freaks\", but I was curious...It seems that orbConnect needs a DOS end-of line after each command.So, if you put a \"\\r\\n\" after your command it should work.I've tried it with this little code:PHP:(...you know what to do with the dollars, right;))Regards,Kuddel", "thread_id": 1623 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.296910592Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2010-04-17T22:11:52+0100", "id": "58f22b35b76e93029c67ba3e7d04a16d", "post_id": "post-218043", "text": "English:I want to know if anybody is making for orbiter the avatar interstellar spaceship. It would be nice to drive it with orbiter.If anyone is making it I invite all addon developers to make this fantastic ship real into orbiter.Sorry for my patetic english.ThanksSpansih:Abro este foro para saber si alguien esta desarrollando la nave interstellar de Avatar.Si no es as\u00ed invito a todos los creadores de addons a crear esta magnifica nave para el orbiter.Gracias---------- Post added at 09:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:10 PM -------------------- Post added at 09:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:03 PM ----------more info :http:\/\/www.avatar.matthewclose.co.uk\/Vehicles.htm---------- Post added at 09:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:09 PM ----------http:\/\/www.pandorapedia.com\/isv_venture_star", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.194505728Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-07T15:32:24+0100", "id": "a0f4d0083fb03e7c35c35060d8918f36", "post_id": "post-221502", "text": "ar81 said:Japanese already made a mech...YouTube- The Japanese have created a mech warrior\n\nYou've got to be kidding me... :blink:", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.508581632Z", "author": "ddom2006", "date": "2010-08-26T12:46:59+0100", "id": "cf8848c02794366a817a645cbc1bfb21", "post_id": "post-250745", "text": "Welcome indeed:)", "thread_id": 16224 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.317874944Z", "author": "adamb193", "date": "2010-04-17T19:49:17+0100", "id": "f7c75a8080ab002eced9449e2c0d8c51", "post_id": "post-218157", "text": "I get the same warning too.", "thread_id": 13895 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.428448256Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2010-05-06T23:01:23+0100", "id": "7dc0442da177fd5af2e1de5d154c8392", "post_id": "post-221803", "text": "jedidia said:there's more than one r in there, you know...;)\n\nOops. But both are still syllable final, so they both get reduced in much the same way in British or German.---------- Post added 05-07-10 at 00:01 ---------- Previous post was 05-06-10 at 23:48 ----------Urwumpe said:And you need to be very ignorant to German Pop Music to think we do always leave the \"R\" away.;)\n\nAnd you need to be very ignorant of me to think that I know anything of German pop music. I don't even know anything about *American* pop music... The only German pop musician I know about is Beethoven, and I think I may have heard of some guy by the name of Bach.:p(To be serious, a friend of mine growing up was a big fan of Rammstein, and I've seen music videos from several groups in German classes, linked to by you in the Youtube thread, etc, but I really don't know much).", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.850905856Z", "author": "ddom2006", "date": "2010-08-23T05:53:21+0100", "id": "f5e22d33baa421325d0c3b81a1354f19", "post_id": "post-249734", "text": "It looks huge! Looking forward to seeing how it looks when you're done :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.477854976Z", "author": "zerofay32", "date": "2010-05-22T16:59:12+0100", "id": "22d1820db87ed2896ab5414245e9b845", "post_id": "post-218384", "text": "Ever heard of just winging it? Or trial by error? Just set up a scenario that puts the shuttle on its final orbit and play around with different numbers. The great thing with Orbiter is, if you screw up no harm done, you just restart the scenario. You have been given the tools and the data to look for.;)", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.42924672Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-05-07T13:26:28+0100", "id": "a186eefc60c3af7fb3a255916e01cc0f", "post_id": "post-221807", "text": "Oops. But both are still syllable final, so they both get reduced in much the same way in British or German.\n\nIt depends on the accent, of course, but the german omission of r usually sounds quite different from the british omission (as silly as that statement may seem... :lol:)this is because the r is never QUITE omitted, but only slightly voiced instead (i.e., the sound of the preceding vowel changes slightly). In a majority of german dialects (and the theoretical \"high german\", which you hear on TV when watching synchronised films, but never really hear anywhere else), this voicing happens near the throat, while in the british english it is located at the tongue (methinks... kind of tough to tell.)", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.940695296Z", "author": "StevoPistolero", "date": "2010-09-22T16:21:44+0100", "id": "2840c0b5c344f08dc34e97a27feb2527", "post_id": "post-249947", "text": "Oh dear, I wrote a post and it didn't go through. Hmm.Solution: multiple people per ship. You give out xp for each task accomplished.So someone says \"I need someone to burn in 3 hours\". They come in, execute the maneuver. They post \"I need someone to get this thing into orbit in 2 weeks\". The ship persists, unmanned, until that time.Same could be done for space stations. There is a to-do list, and people log in and out accomplishing tasks. If coordination is called for, say, \"I need 3 people on Tuesday to assemble the arriving component\"No one completes a mission alone in real time. Thus you could have many, many, many ships floating around, not all manned actively.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.479973376Z", "author": "BenSisko", "date": "2010-08-04T03:17:16+0100", "id": "a6b2047100dc9aeb35c51bd1f2f0c0fa", "post_id": "post-218406", "text": "SiameseCat said:I did some testing yesterday, and it turns out you can deorbit and reenter using AFCS, at least down to about Mach 3 (AFCS didn't recognize any runways, but it should be able to land SSU).If you try to fly the entry manually, maintaining the correct AOA is impossible; even with full trim and elevon, the maximum AOA is about 36. I'm not sure how AFCS works, but it doesn't seem to use thrusters or aerosurfaces, so it isn't affected by this.NOTE: This was with the latest revision of the SSU code; I'm not sure how V1.25 performs.\n\nI've been able to use AFCS (v2P1 I believe) with SSU v1.25. in Orbiter 2006. It is accurate, reads the runways and lands on the centerline. I put this installation together a while ago. I think I had to edit the configuration settings in the Plugin folder. Here's the information:Code:29 ; Nbr of trajectory lines\n122 7620 8064 ; Alt (km), A\/S (m\/s), dist (km)\n87 7656 5942\n75 7315 4752\n72 7010 3921\n70 6706 3287\n68 6401 2791\n66 6096 2398\n64 5791 2069\n62 5486 1806\n60 5182 1596\n58 4877 1417\n56 4572 1265\n55 4267 1139\n54 3962 1013\n52 3658 896\n50 3353 783\n49 3048 687\n48 2743 598\n45 2438 504\n42 2134 417\n39 1829 337\n35 1524 263\n30 1219 194\n28 914 137\n26 762 113\n24 700 91\n21 550 67\n18 400 54\n11.6 238 0Ben", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.531298048Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-07T05:09:18+0100", "id": "de1837c1e5204d4b436caafd1ae0acac", "post_id": "post-221880", "text": "Article:Top ten videogame flopsThey are talking about Battlecruiser 3000AD and they use an image of a DG cockpit... :lol::rofl:I also found this article on himQuest online fires presidentIt looks weird when someone says \"he did not depart, I fired him\".:idk:", "thread_id": 14145 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.168058624Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-03T20:54:11+0000", "id": "b22daadf5221cf7bed559644410ce82e", "post_id": "post-250218", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 03\/02\/2011.Working in HTV-2 (H-II Transfer Vehicle-2), Paolo had several hours reserved for cargo transfer ops, focused today on transferring equipment from the internal standoff volumes which required moving racks.CDR Scott Kelly worked on the CubeLab payload, first reviewing OBT (Onboard Training) material for installing\/activating the frame of the CubeLab payload, reconfiguring CubeLab modules and setting up\/stowing the CubeLab Microscope, then using the video camcorder to record documentary footage on CubeLab operations. Later, Cube Modules were reconfigured inside CubeLab Frame 1002, and CubeLab was powered on before sleeptime. [CubeLab is a low-cost 1-kg platform for educational projects. It is a multipurpose research facility that interfaces small standard modules into the ERs (ExPrESS Racks). The modules can be used within the pressurized space station environment in orbit, with a nominal length, width, and height of 100 mm and a mass of no more than 1 g. Up to 16 CubeLab modules can be inserted into a CubeLab insert inside an ER.]Continuing her work on the Kobairo rack's GHF(Gradient Heating Furnace) in JAXA's JPM (JEM Pressurized Module), FE-6 Cady Coleman used the MultiMeter instrument to take resistance measurements of HU (Heating Unit) insulation material, then closed the GHF MP (Material Processing) front panel which she had taken off yesterday.Also on the Kobairo rack, Cady installed a rubber shim on the VEE (Vacuum Evacuation Equipment), then took documentary photography.SPDM Operations:6:30 PM GMT on 03\/02 to 5:45 GMT on 04\/02, ground controllers are using the SPDM (Special Purpose Dexterous Manipulator) \"Dextre\" to remove two NASA payloads from HTV-2's EP (Exposed Pallet), i.e. (1) the FHRC (Flex Hose Rotary Coupler) with Arm 1 for stowage on the SPDM's EOTP (Enhanced ORU Temporary Platform), and (2) the CTC (Cargo Transport Container) with Arm 2 with subsequent handover to Arm 1 which then grasps the CTC Hinge Fixture and applies CTC heater power through the SPDM umbilical. Finally, the SSRMS will be maneuvered to an MT (Mobile Transporter) translate configuration in preparation for tomorrow's ground ops. Russian thrusters are disabled during the operations due to load constraints.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.486128128Z", "author": "jacquesmomo", "date": "2010-04-21T17:56:30+0100", "id": "57a7ba992884beb05d37763692bceb13", "post_id": "post-218413", "text": "This meshe is an old one, I don't know what for...but if you whant it, go there:http:\/\/www.sendspace.com\/file\/ghfag0", "thread_id": 13918 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.161919232Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-03T18:18:28+0100", "id": "dc19de9301f0da210bd38ceb5523ed8e", "post_id": "post-221418", "text": "Sorry but I don't have time for essence review, so I can't tell much except for these three critical words -I have no idea why I should use the wrappers from the last pages. Some description is necessaryFor completeness, I would absolutely put info about ScummVM, which technically is in no way emulating old hardware, but it lets you flawlessly play old games which is the point of interest of the majority of your readersIf you created that PDF in OpenOffice, you could export the table of contents along with the text. If you're interested in this, then let me know and I'll tell you how to do it. It's not that intuitivear81 said:I also wonder if it should be at OH or not.\n\nI can't see a reason why it should... I could ask the same question about my MDDClone-SDL game. After all you can fly there as well:)http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/faq.php6. What is this site about? What are these downloads for? This site is essentially a file hosting server for modifications and add-ons to the space flight simulator Orbiter (http:\/\/www.orbitersim.com\/).\n\nIf you want the documentation to be more visible to the world, I suggest putting it on a blog page with proper keywords. Google takes care of the rest and every time somebody enters \"Emulating old systems\" in Google (which means that he's very interested in this topic), will find your page on one of the Google's pages... well you know how it works:)", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.508130048Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-08-26T00:49:14+0100", "id": "5e65491ba3f2f0531ee63a6fcdcd248b", "post_id": "post-250742", "text": ":welcome:", "thread_id": 16224 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.541266944Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-04-20T22:39:17+0100", "id": "0cf7404a7f3a7b9bf4a5d09f63d85f25", "post_id": "post-218508", "text": "In the spirit of asking dumb questions...What is GPU?", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.500651008Z", "author": "MeDiCS", "date": "2010-05-06T19:56:51+0100", "id": "ce9eab69c2abed1bc5376acbfe1ea47f", "post_id": "post-221858", "text": "Keep in mind that lots of unecessary files will eat up space in your Orbiter folder, such as meshes and textures. I see no reason to just delete the config files, or do anything at all.", "thread_id": 14138 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.707963648Z", "author": "Turbinator", "date": "2010-08-22T06:48:13+0100", "id": "30463948b562a48346316f8f12a0d120", "post_id": "post-249686", "text": ":(.", "thread_id": 16157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.86100096Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-04-18T19:07:56+0100", "id": "f841c910780322079a5af43e3634f8cb", "post_id": "post-217750", "text": "Urwumpe said:The question is: Can you do it better?\n\nMy Voskhod rocket is more visually accurate and can be edited more easily. I also like the Baikonur launch complex that I use more than I like astronaut's.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.838857728Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2013-03-20T18:39:31+0000", "id": "7356ad7e1241e230e524aa010a92d72d", "post_id": "post-222293", "text": "NASA:NASA Voyager Status Update on Voyager 1 LocationMarch 20, 2013\"The Voyager team is aware of reports today that NASA's Voyager 1 has left the solar system,\" said Edward Stone, Voyager project scientist based at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. \"It is the consensus of the Voyager science team that Voyager 1 has not yet left the solar system or reached interstellar space.In December 2012, the Voyager science team reported that Voyager 1 is within a new region called 'the magnetic highway' where energetic particles changed dramatically. A change in the direction of the magnetic field is the last critical indicator of reaching interstellar space and that change of direction has not yet been observed.\"To learn more about the current status of the Voyager mission, visit:http:\/\/www.jpl.nasa.gov\/news\/news.php?release=2012-381{...}AGU:Voyager 1 has entered a new region of space, sudden changes in cosmic rays indicate20 March 2013AGU Release No. 13-11For Immediate ReleaseWASHINGTON \u2013 Thirty-five years after its launch, Voyager 1 appears to have travelled beyond the influence of the Sun and exited the heliosphere, according to a new study appearing online today.The heliosphere is a region of space dominated by the Sun and its wind of energetic particles, and which is thought to be enclosed, bubble-like, in the surrounding interstellar medium of gas and dust that pervades the Milky Way galaxy.On August 25, 2012, NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft measured drastic changes in radiation levels, more than 11 billion miles from the Sun. Anomalous cosmic rays, which are cosmic rays trapped in the outer heliosphere, all but vanished, dropping to less than 1 percent of previous amounts. At the same time, galactic cosmic rays \u2013 cosmic radiation from outside of the solar system \u2013 spiked to levels not seen since Voyager's launch, with intensities as much as twice previous levels.The findings have been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.\"Within just a few days, the heliospheric intensity of trapped radiation decreased, and the cosmic ray intensity went up as you would expect if it exited the heliosphere,\" said Bill Webber, professor emeritus of astronomy at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces. He calls this transition boundary the \"heliocliff.\"In the GRL article, the authors state: \"It appears that [Voyager 1] has exited the main solar modulation region, revealing [hydrogen] and [helium] spectra characteristic of those to be expected in the local interstellar medium.\"However, Webber notes, scientists are continuing to debate whether Voyager 1 has reached interstellar space or entered a separate, undefined region beyond the solar system.\"It's outside the normal heliosphere, I would say that,\" Webber said. \"We're in a new region. And everything we're measuring is different and exciting.\"The work was funded by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.{...}", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.913571328Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-09-03T21:53:56+0100", "id": "26c209a6aa42a9094155b5e04fdb755f", "post_id": "post-249853", "text": "I must confess a lot of \"too long\" reentries that left me no other choices than to ditch in the Atlantic Ocean, 200km or more east of Cape Canaveral. Besides, I've worked a lot my belly landings with the DGIV :lol:Had heavy losses when I learned how to fly the Soyuz. Lots of capsules stranded in orbit with no fuel left. The good thing is that I wasn't using UMMUFA at this time, so they could always be renamed \"Cosmos XYZ\"Else I'm rather responsible with virtual stuff I guess;)Edit : oh and there was that rather recent epic one, too :Virtual STS-131 stranded into orbit", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.136024576Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-19T15:16:06+0100", "id": "bd1b773c785a1895221604070e13a445", "post_id": "post-218001", "text": "T.Neo said:And such improvements and fixes cannot be implemented on a suitably configured payload back on Earth? Sounds more like dodgy engineering to me, something that would negatively affect smaller payloads as well.\n\nNo, really simple: If it is not modular already on Earth, installing new hardware\/software\/etc into it means massive changes and a complete new R&D package.If it is already modular on Earth, you have to ask the question if it could also be assembled in space and if not, why.It is a matter of interface definitions, managing side-effects, user interfaces and workflow... Short: You need to be very limited in your project requirements, if you can only launch it as one large piece, for example a large optical mirror. And that is a once in 100 years payload, especially since producing such mirrors would be better in microgravity.---------- Post added at 04:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:11 PM ----------T.Neo said:Is there a number behind this statement? And perhaps ones with more relevance, such as statistics for accidents in the SSPF?\n\nI can cite you the exact number from a space debris lecture, it is calculated with ESA MASTER, the standard model for space debris predictions.http:\/\/www.esa.int\/esaMI\/Space_Debris\/SEMXP0WPXPF_0.htmlLuckily, being a student has advantages... I also have a ESA MASTER version on my PC. :thumbup: Just in case you want to be more specific as \"ISS orbit\".", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.926748928Z", "author": "Disconnect", "date": "2010-05-09T20:08:03+0100", "id": "31557d4d9b89c034934b25cc875878ae", "post_id": "post-221329", "text": "-A band in atmosphere looking from lower angles in ray traced air mode:http:\/\/dl.dropbox.com\/u\/5862163\/sav.png(it wasn't there in the 1004XX versions)- Poor fps with mapped shadows ( halved since the 1004XX release)Artlav: i saw that you put some bug screenshots from me in the readmehttp:\/\/dl.dropbox.com\/u\/5862163\/bug.pngyou wrote, it's dgiv, but it isn't. It is plain simple delta glider, i don't remember what caused this issue, but i wrote it in the other topic.And this:http:\/\/dl.dropbox.com\/u\/5862163\/triangles.pngyou wrote: \"Mapped shadows won't work on old ATIs\"i don't think my hd 3850 is \"old\" it's just 3 years old gpu, but the mapped shadows are working on it, this bug appeared when i did certain things in game, but it worked before, and worked later after a restart.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.936941312Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-09-19T03:35:55+0100", "id": "64ea086f115490d38f954e8fe1149f47", "post_id": "post-249930", "text": "this thread will be more productive if you read old archived discussions on the subject of orbiter multiplayer. Then, instead of having thesamediscussions all over again, you can start where we all left off, saving at least 10 pages of redundant forum information :shifty:", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.458723328Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-22T18:11:52+0100", "id": "a267139d52db116663a0a75511ae79bd", "post_id": "post-218340", "text": "[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=1077\"]PackedDragon[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.11337344Z", "author": "tgep", "date": "2008-05-13T16:25:31+0100", "id": "3f14dd60f19a26f574652b15646de8a8", "post_id": "post-65239", "text": "Mesh workI have run into this myself. Here's a few tips.1) keep a referance image or pencil sketch handy2) don't be afraid to move other groups around to see how tab-A fits into slot-B.3) Take notes on how far you move your groups and their materials4) Build a quick orbital test scenario to run in the background so you have working frame of referance when you make your final tweaks and adjustments.5) ALWAYS back up your work, more frequently when working on complicated meshes. I use mk1, mk2,mk3,etc. tags to distinguish progress.6) always keep a copy of the original file on back-up for referance or to try out new ideas.7) Do your research before you start tinkering.I learned these tips the hard way. I hope they help.:cheers:", "thread_id": 1410 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.166730752Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-29T15:26:43+0000", "id": "2c526bf904ea91f9eb8d180d08e30c98", "post_id": "post-250207", "text": "Here's a niceHTV-2 hatch opening & ingress videofrom JAXA!:)", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.55278976Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2010-04-20T22:02:14+0100", "id": "b2056a7daf5cda680e92644c3c54a01f", "post_id": "post-218549", "text": "- Comment removed by dgatsoulis -", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.235138048Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-05T03:25:59+0100", "id": "d00bf6e5b7c4cd3a3656f3c66abfe891", "post_id": "post-221549", "text": "Hmmm, that's interesting... companies complain about piracy, peer to peer downloads and music and movie downloads... If those numbers are reliable, it means piracy is smaller that they point out, because it is not research, social networking, business, banking, games, paying bills or shopping. So \"surfing the net\" would be the only category and not everyone would be doing piracy...And even downloads are not always piracy (downloading orbiter or addons are \"surfing the net\" to me). Looking for wallpapers or reading the newspaper is surfing the net too.So if all those categories are true, and Orbiter is not considered \"research\", then orbinauts are very far from being 6 million people...", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.473901312Z", "author": "martins", "date": "2010-08-25T19:55:08+0100", "id": "95a4e2a8c587f814697e14f1ed50c0eb", "post_id": "post-250679", "text": "You can't hide vessels from being listed by the scenario editor, but you can prevent a vessel type from being listed in the editor's \"new vessel\" page by settingCode:EditorCreate = FALSEin the def file.", "thread_id": 16218 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.620357632Z", "author": "OrbitHangar", "date": "2010-04-21T00:33:41+0100", "id": "55633edfece5ea5996881b59f41a3f59", "post_id": "post-218656", "text": "Author:mjanickiA module to add basic UMMU and UCGO support to station vessels which do not have their own modules.\u00a0 Examples are the default Mir and Wheel stations as well as Greg Burch's Building Blocks Hab modules.Compiled with the free MS Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition, so you may need the Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 RedistributablePackage.The new version for Orbiter 2010 can befound here.DOWNLOAD", "thread_id": 13942 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.740101888Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-08T23:36:23+0100", "id": "2b2297bb2e0e2537f22a43e5a3ede9f0", "post_id": "post-222199", "text": "That would be a good idea.", "thread_id": 14165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.553163008Z", "author": "Star Voyager", "date": "2010-08-27T23:31:01+0100", "id": "665bc33c10370cdd4fc3838436c1dec3", "post_id": "post-250914", "text": "Yes, that does make better sense. Just a suggestion :tiphat:!", "thread_id": 16239 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.712684288Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-17T17:38:44+0100", "id": "a99233d9b8b57a34038267e64ec01f4f", "post_id": "post-217628", "text": "dumbo2007 said:The MFD mess up is really problematic though - They appear in the wrong place and are blinking hard. Also the text is ineligible.\n\nWhat if you disable non-pot limit in Visual tab button menu?rucinter said:I've looked again on other's screenshots and I realized I don't have the \"F7 for options\" message on HUD and pressing F7 or F11 while in Orbiter have no effect. However, the OGLA client is installed, the module is activated and running OGLA scenarios give me no error.\n\nLet me guess, you runned orbiter.exe instead of orbiter_ng.exe?", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.194217216Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-07T13:15:29+0100", "id": "b825d366a469668abe6c7c4395375b8f", "post_id": "post-221500", "text": "I suspect it is just a test for MTX, instead of being a just a free release of a very old game.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.867087872Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-08-23T01:22:37+0100", "id": "1be4743c40e750de04d098b41c3a186c", "post_id": "post-249784", "text": "Jarvit\u00e4 said:Is that a submarine towing their launch platform? :blink:\n\nThis is scary, the more I look at it the more I think of the 1960's thriller 'Hunter-Killer' by Geoffrey Jenkins. It climaxes with the launch of one man into orbit atop a modified Polaris missile!", "thread_id": 16165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.865590784Z", "author": "wizardchris", "date": "2010-07-18T18:17:38+0100", "id": "fd235cf1cacea221d1a2dc9d83683121", "post_id": "post-217776", "text": "UMmu OrlanCan confirm that ORLAN addon wont work in Orbiter2010. But if you install it nevertheless, you can use the Orlan mesh as an UMMU EVA.You just have to create a file (with ANY content) of the name UMmuOrlan-Orlan-Rus.cfg in the CFG\/UMMUIdConfig folder. Works well here with my MIR.The only problem my be the historic inaccuracy. As far as I remember, Orlan was a descendant of the spacesuits developed for the N1 moon project, so the Voshod spacesuit maybe looked different.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.215337472Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-05-04T15:09:21+0100", "id": "820bcfbb8113e57eaed20fda90620576", "post_id": "post-221526", "text": "Welcome !:cheers:", "thread_id": 14107 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.267999232Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-08-25T07:41:35+0100", "id": "619f618f109554a42313bd634d6e4f9c", "post_id": "post-250297", "text": "Does it really matter tblaxland? I've solved the issue. Mantis did you run the one in miscellaneous? That's the one I used.Darren", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.134841344Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-04-19T10:51:44+0100", "id": "30b442e2181956f1c483b3c013a65ee7", "post_id": "post-217994", "text": "According to Astronautix, it is possible to cluster 7 Common Boosters Cores on the Delta IV. With a modified upper stage, you get an HLV (85t to LEO).But you need a new launchpad, of course.Proposed upgrade to Delta IV Heavy by clustering seven common booster modules, using a new RS-800K engine in the booster stages, an AUS-60 upper stage powered by 4 MB-60 or RL-60 27 tonne thrust Lox\/LH2 engines, and aluminium-lithium lightweight alloy in place of the existing aluminium in all stages. Payload fairings over 6.5 m diameter could be accomodated. Introduction would require new launch pads and booster assembly infrastructure.LEO Payload: 85,000 kg (187,000 lb). to: 407 km Orbit. at: 28.50 degrees. Payload: 32,000 kg (70,000 lb). to a: earth escape trajectory. Core Diameter: 5.00 m (16.40 ft). Total Length: 67.00 m (219.00 ft). Span: 15.00 m (49.00 ft)\n\nAnd I think that if the CBCs were buit in great quantities, the costs would drop... This kind of modular architecture is very very smart !", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.427241472Z", "author": "Mojave", "date": "2010-05-06T14:39:32+0100", "id": "8daf6a0674e7178275a0646c4492020f", "post_id": "post-221790", "text": "Okay Orb' ee 'ter", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.498391552Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-08-26T14:15:48+0100", "id": "87a50328c06c3bc126f6ac35be5fbaa1", "post_id": "post-250721", "text": "so the application just closes and you don't get a \"VB subscript out of range\" message or anything?", "thread_id": 16222 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.309238784Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-04-24T19:25:58+0100", "id": "fb35cde95f3d59f2ab209035b4a7ae05", "post_id": "post-218137", "text": "In addition, the Valkyrie's tilting engines are airbreathers as well...", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.920118272Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-03T15:58:15+0100", "id": "5ce8ee92d2a679878c394cbd4c5bd8eb", "post_id": "post-221260", "text": "Ok, i just nailed the coffin of one significant bug, but i'm not sure if it is the ATI crash\/BSOD problem, or just something related.So, if you have an ATI card, tested OGLA before and had the crash with non-pot limit turned off, please test the following version, similar to the description in the post above:OGLAClient 100503:orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/oglaclient-100503_beta-100503.zip(Obsolete, current one in post 19)Requires Orbiter beta 100503.The appearance should also be correct, that is close to what inline client looks like, with some text missing in glass cockpit. The default graphics settings adjusted to accommodate it.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.897946112Z", "author": "DanM", "date": "2010-08-23T01:37:38+0100", "id": "b73f54e5b3a018f0365d94c9af3e2c7a", "post_id": "post-249831", "text": "marcogavazzeni said:AtlantisPanels1.5\n\nThanks:)", "thread_id": 16168 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.47769088Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-05-21T00:10:16+0100", "id": "e6bc2c1f8cdd6d38f091c442d924e591", "post_id": "post-218382", "text": "Basically how do I work it to get the values I need such as DV---------- Post added at 06:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:23 PM ----------Also How do I find the Hint value?---------- Post added 05-20-10 at 04:08 PM ---------- Previous post was 05-19-10 at 06:32 PM ----------Anyone?---------- Post added at 04:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:08 PM ----------I know it is time to Peapris (sorry for spelling) but when I try to add a value to imideatly jumps to 8K or around that [I checked and the adj button was on one]. It seems like it is more geared for interplanetary flight hence the name but how would i use it for data values for the ssu. This is still relating to deorbit.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.926628608Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-05-09T13:08:45+0100", "id": "ad500fcc18c25442b5749188536aa0dc", "post_id": "post-221328", "text": "Could this \"error\" be linked tothisone?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.268595456Z", "author": "Mantis", "date": "2010-08-26T16:51:17+0100", "id": "712bad6be9c4d48c91739091fec39d81", "post_id": "post-250299", "text": "Thanks ACSoft. This is my favorite addon bar none and it would be fantastic to get the LRV working. That scenario does indeed CTD for me. My Orbiter log is below. In the other scenarios, everything works flawlessly until the very instant that deployment and movement of the LRV is completed. At that exact point it crashes.Code:a**** Orbiter.log\nBuild Jun 6 2010 [v.100606]\nTimer precision: 4.65436e-007 sec\nFound 0 joystick(s)\nDevices enumerated: 6\nDevices accepted: 5\n==> RGB Emulation\n==> Direct3D HAL\n==> Direct3D T&L HAL\n==> Direct3D HAL (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series)\n==> Direct3D T&L HAL (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series)\nModule AtlantisConfig.dll .... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule AtmConfig.dll ......... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule DGConfigurator.dll .... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule EnergyConfigurator.dll [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule ProjectApolloConfigurator.dll [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule uap.dll ............... [Build ******, API 060425]\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: oapiRegisterMFDMode\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\nModule transx.dll ............ [Build 100528, API 100527]\nModule ScnEditor.dll ......... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule RWarpMFD.dll .......... [Build 100314, API 091124]\nModule RendezvousMFD.dll ..... [Build ******, API 050206]\nModule Rcontrol.dll .......... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule OrbiterSound.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Meshdebug.dll ......... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule Map3DMFD.dll .......... [Build 100620, API 100606]\nModule LunarTransferMFD.dll .. [Build 100621, API 100603]\nModule LuaMFD.dll ............ [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule LuaConsole.dll ........ [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule LTV-MFD.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule LaunchMFD.dll ......... [Build 100816, API 100606]\nModule JUPITER_MFD.dll ....... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule InterMFD53.dll ........ [Build 090521, API 060425]\nModule HerschelPlanckMFD.dll . [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Glideslope.dll ........ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Framerate.dll ......... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule FlightData.dll ........ [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule ExtMFD.dll ............ [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule CustomMFD.dll ......... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule CRT.dll ............... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule BTC2.0.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule BaseSyncMFD.dll ....... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule BaseLand.dll .......... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule AutoFCS.dll ........... [Build ******, API 050206]\nModule AttitudeMFD.dll ....... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule ProjectApolloMFD.dll .. [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule UnivPTG.dll ........... [Build 100629, API 100606]\nModule RPOP.dll .............. [Build 100620, API 100606]\nModule GPCMFD.dll ............ [Build 100621, API 100606]\nModule Collision-core.dll .... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule NAVSET.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule ReFuelMFD.dll ......... [Build ******, API 060425]\n\n**** Creating simulation session\nDirectDraw interface OK\nDirect3D interface OK\nGraphics: Viewport: Fullscreen 1366 x 768 x 32\nGraphics: Hardware T&L capability: Yes\nGraphics: Z-buffer depth: 32 bit\nLoading 8816 records from star database\nModule Sun.dll ............... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(E) Sun: Precision 1e-006, Terms 554\/6634\nModule Mercury.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Mercury: Precision 1e-005, Terms 167\/7123\nModule Venus.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule VenusAtm2006.dll ...... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nVSOP87(B) Venus: Precision 1e-005, Terms 79\/1710\nModule Earth.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule EarthAtmJ71G.dll ...... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nVSOP87(B) Earth: Precision 1e-008, Terms 2564\/2564\nModule Moon.dll .............. [Build 100217, API 100215]\nELP82: Precision 1e-005, Terms 116\/829\nModule Mars.dll .............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule MarsAtm2006.dll ....... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nVSOP87(B) Mars: Precision 1e-005, Terms 405\/6400\nModule Phobos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Deimos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Galsat.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Jupiter.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Jupiter: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1624\/3625\nModule Io.dll ................ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Europa.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Ganymede.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Callisto.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Satsat.dll ............ [Build ******, API 061227]\nModule Saturn.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Saturn: Precision 1e-006, Terms 2904\/6365\nModule Uranus.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Uranus: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1827\/5269\nModule Miranda.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Ariel.dll ............. [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Umbriel.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Titania.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Oberon.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Neptune.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391\/2024\nFinished initialising world\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::SetNavRecv\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::SetBankMomentScale\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\nFinished initialising status\nFinished initialising camera\nFinished initialising panels\nFinished setting up render state", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.4792832Z", "author": "SiameseCat", "date": "2010-07-13T20:39:31+0100", "id": "f4dfd490035c9003e73503ac85f57367", "post_id": "post-218398", "text": "I haven't tried it myself, but the AutoFCS reentry guidance will probably work. The deorbit burn and RCS attitude control will have to be done manually.As a worst case scenario, I think you could turn off the AFCS autopilot and fly the shuttle manually, using the HUD flight director drawn by AutoFCS.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.13603968Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-07T22:48:32+0100", "id": "28abfa63e8d8cf279ca413126ab33dbc", "post_id": "post-221408", "text": "From the BBC Radio Four programme \"Last Word\", broadcast today, repeats on Sunday.GUNTER WENDTNASA engineer who has died aged 85.For the pioneering American astronauts of the 1960s and 70s, the last face they saw before blast off was that of Gunter Wendt. The German born engineer was officially known as \u201cPad Leader\u201d \u2013 which made him responsible for all the pre flight checks at the top of the rocket as it sat on the launch pad.Matthew spoke to John Tribe, former NASA colleague and to the astronaut Jim Lovell.Guenter Wendt was born Aug 28, 1923, and died May 3, 2010\n\nhttp:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/programmes\/b00s7f9w#synopsisNot sure if this is available outside the UK.N.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.270432Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-01T01:12:51+0100", "id": "8838e5b2d62d0df22aab4c85411f772c", "post_id": "post-250308", "text": "msvcr80.dll is I believe part of the VC++ 2008 runtime - hence the name, MS VC R 80.", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.760318976Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-04-16T02:20:25+0100", "id": "ef3337c9b4c15a7cfd53c420d4e8c5e8", "post_id": "post-217674", "text": "It's not usable as a reference really, but I use it compulsively if I'm curious about something. I know a few people who have found a bad article about something they know about and use that as evidence to discount the whole site, which I get angry at.", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.201806336Z", "author": "Pipcard", "date": "2015-04-08T07:27:38+0100", "id": "dbc50b2d7a48d3fe34576e9f408d2c30", "post_id": "post-221516", "text": "Wouldn't it be interesting if the Solomon Islands became Japan's equivalent of the Guiana Space Centre?", "thread_id": 14106 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.485221888Z", "author": "movieman", "date": "2008-05-28T06:40:12+0100", "id": "61d45300b4f36589ad40ae40a22e65da", "post_id": "post-68976", "text": "Yeah, there was a story about him on the local news yesterday; he was going to launch not far from here.", "thread_id": 1622 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.881255168Z", "author": "rucinter", "date": "2010-04-17T00:30:00+0100", "id": "a27b1ef722b6bf2a05a8d5408a91fe00", "post_id": "post-217811", "text": "Not yet. I've started with Mercury and Gemini, more simple mission. I love the complexity of NASSP and it's on the to-do list, but now I'm passing trough a shuttle phase. NASSP will surely follow, when I will have time to read the manuals and commit myself to an Apollo mission.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.327423232Z", "author": "Cpt CryBaby", "date": "2010-08-11T23:32:34+0100", "id": "6359501de1e393314342f7b6c9cad290", "post_id": "post-221652", "text": "Hello Bloodworth,Sorry but I've been away from Orbiter for awhile. Here's a link from the beginning of my Earth to Mars checklist. You've probably got a ship with a space in it's name. If true, you will not be able to save your transX info.http:\/\/www.stillmixtup.com\/orbiter\/ShipNameSpace.htmlThat link also shows you hot to fix the problem.BTW don't get too caught up getting your Cl App too low while still in Earth orbit. 50k is perhaps a bit ambitious since you will certainly need at least one correction burn on your way to your target planet. (I usually make around three corrections using the '1\/2 to go' rule. When you get closer to your target you will want more and more accuracy on that Cl App.Sorry so late in my reply.", "thread_id": 14115 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.934889472Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-08-24T19:50:32+0100", "id": "7bfca0b4b4d23d1908c64847138316ea", "post_id": "post-249910", "text": "squeaky024 said:Well here's the thing, just look at FSX which you all know is a flight simulator, and there are plenty of people flying around on multiplayer. In orbiter you can have the same thing, just a couple of friends with a common interest flying around in space. Since the time warp is such an issue why not have an admin control time and players can request a time warp, if someone doesn't want to warp they have the ability to stop the time warp. This way we wont have to worry about creating some complex time warp code with each player in their own time and having to \"sync\" with other players time and so on, and it would remove the problem of planets being in different positions.\n\nHow would that work when I keep refusing timewarp for over two hours during a final orbit and entry? I think people would soon get fed up. These ideas have been discussed many, many times and to date there isn't a workable solution.If people have ideas, want to get OMP working fully then the source code can be made available. To date Face has had a lot of issues with people saying want they want but unable to assist with the coding. Maybe someone on this thread can fix that?", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.136196608Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-19T17:14:19+0100", "id": "f62cda66284af03e8257998cf08d4f60", "post_id": "post-218002", "text": "No, really simple: If it is not modular already on Earth, installing new hardware\/software\/etc into it means massive changes and a complete new R&D package.If it is already modular on Earth, you have to ask the question if it could also be assembled in space and if not, why.\n\nNot modular in an assembly sense, but modular in a design sense, so that sub-assemblies and systems can be reworked without major changes to the whole system.If something is to be constructed on-orbit, it should be designed to be assembled with minimal work and as little direct human intervention as possible.for example a large optical mirror. And that is a once in 100 years payload, especially since producing such mirrors would be better in microgravity.\n\nWhere is the infrastructure for producing a mirror in microgravity? At the current time we are far closer to having the technology for a heavy launcher, than we do for an orbital mirror manufacturing plant.Shipping a mirror in segments would be cheaper. AFAIK this has been done on Earth, like your \"building a house\" analogy (spacecraft are not built of bricks, but a mirror is a mirror more or less).I can cite you the exact number from a space debris lecture, it is calculated with ESA MASTER, the standard model for space debris predictions.\n\nNot the number behind debris impacts, the number behind accidents in a facility such as the SSPF.For that matter, what is the wage per hour for a SSPF worker, and the pay per hour of EVA for an astronaut?", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.42694528Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-05-06T13:50:45+0100", "id": "d81cf668b4b5f166e3b8cf2562588e76", "post_id": "post-221787", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:I meant how do you say. In the language.\n\nDer Orbiter, Herrgott noch einmal! :rofl:", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.49349888Z", "author": "Turbinator", "date": "2010-08-26T01:00:25+0100", "id": "1ae528030953f91058815104e3233045", "post_id": "post-250708", "text": "Any friendly fire is bad, however the worst is the one that comes from -your own- guys.Canada lost 5 guys and 8 where injured in Afghanistan, on two separate occasions, due to friendly fire from our friendly neighbours to the south.In the Tarnak Farm incident of April 18, 2002, four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight others injured when U.S. Air National Guard Major Harry Schmidt, dropped a laser-guided 227 kilogram (500 lb) bomb from his F-16 jet fighter on the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry regiment which was conducting a night firing exercise near Kandahar.Operation Medusa (2006) - Two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts accidentally strafed NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, maiming and killing Canadian Private Mark Anthony Graham..", "thread_id": 16221 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.307289856Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2011-04-17T01:50:16+0100", "id": "1e4c9cde664c58c75b34736e8bbb488e", "post_id": "post-218124", "text": "I understand the use, but it's necessary to have three?", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.460575232Z", "author": "vonneuman", "date": "2010-05-06T06:40:42+0100", "id": "c45648c17b1ffb3a33d4b74c5c26e5c2", "post_id": "post-221825", "text": "no, xp.", "thread_id": 14132 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.545079808Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-08-27T12:08:37+0100", "id": "5a944492ceb2f1fa52d1aae441bdf26b", "post_id": "post-250858", "text": "Welcome. I liked the 0 substitution for o's. It is different, keep it up :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16235 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.310022144Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-04-30T02:15:47+0100", "id": "f285d8b55858094e474fdfe129f5353e", "post_id": "post-218144", "text": "But the whole point of the ISV, is just that: It is an ISV. An Inter Stellar Vehicle.A real ISV might not look quite like the Venture Star, or have the same sort of engines, or have the same sort of insane acceleration profile, but... I can at least hope that it would be interstellar.:pSkytrain isn't an ISV. It's something else. It's an IPV. Interplanetary vehicle. And there's nothing wrong with that. I darn wish we had operational IPVs right now.:rolleyes:", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.538092544Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-09T15:03:27+0100", "id": "fce133f526d5af95042e9b8ba4a1a006", "post_id": "post-221887", "text": "Qualifyinghttp:\/\/www.formula1.com\/results\/season\/2010\/828\/6728\/Qualifying - Webber pips Vettel to pole in SpainRed Bull put on yet another stunning display of raw speed at Barcelona during qualifying on Saturday afternoon, as Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel dominated all three sessions to fight for pole position, the team\u2019s fifth of the season.On his final run in Q3 Vettel went to the top with a lap of 1m 20.101s, but Webber\u2019s best aced him as 1m 19.995s won the Australian his second pole of the year.Behind them Lewis Hamilton\u2019s McLaren was a breathless best of the rest on 1m 20.829s, moving ahead of Fernando\u2019s Alonso Ferrari which the Spaniard had lapped in 1m 20.937s. Jenson Button sandwiched the red car after taking his McLaren round in 1m 20.991s.Right at the end Michael Schumacher confirmed how much more comfortable he feels in the revamped Mercedes by snatching sixth place with 1m 21.294s, leaving the ever-impressive Robert Kubica seventh for Renault on 1m 21.353s, Mercedes GP\u2019s Nico Rosberg on 1m 21.408s, Ferrari\u2019s Felipe Massa on 1m 21.585s, and BMW Sauber\u2019s Kamui Kobayashi on 1m 21.984s from his sole run.\n\n---------- Post added at 03:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 AM ----------http:\/\/www.formula1.com\/results\/season\/2010\/828\/6729\/Red Bull\u2019s Mark Webber continued his dominant Barcelona form to win the Spanish Grand Prix on Sunday. Polesitter Webber led throughout to finish 24s ahead of local hero Fernando Alonso for Ferrari.Sebastian Vettel took third for Red Bull, despite nursing his RB6 home with brake problems. McLaren\u2019s Lewis Hamilton crashed out of P2 on the penultimate lap with a suspected puncture\n\nBad luck for Hamilton.N.", "thread_id": 14146 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.645905408Z", "author": "DanScall", "date": "2010-08-31T20:23:36+0100", "id": "ab8b2f26314604240fccd54e636a7687", "post_id": "post-251079", "text": "Welcome! And allow me to express how jealous I am at the Dobsonian, Jupiter is going to be lovely tonight where I am and I'm wishing my scope was a little more top notch!", "thread_id": 16261 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.896658176Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-02-15T21:56:56+0000", "id": "9b65342fa32f93de3137f2bd3407dd4d", "post_id": "post-217876", "text": "Ariane webcast online!question (again); Why are the yellow arms already retracted?EDIT: Never Mind, I already see why", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.183824896Z", "author": "astrosammy", "date": "2010-06-26T22:08:47+0100", "id": "e4758e71a8348b6e22880b82f1fd613f", "post_id": "post-221463", "text": "First one is also good for me... But to late to get out my scope.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.872315136Z", "author": "Sky Captain", "date": "2010-09-14T07:58:07+0100", "id": "fe03461ac64dbdf8c61ed464753923de", "post_id": "post-249813", "text": "I'm wondering why such minor problem delayed the launch for a year. Couldn't they just fix the problem and launch in next few days.", "thread_id": 16165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.03605632Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-17T21:40:23+0100", "id": "78a61b08262c761d25fe4ff13bb98b67", "post_id": "post-217983", "text": "I don't see why a launcher could not be built out of multiple common boosters as a matter of course.It would result in a large host of engineering issues though.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.388496384Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T21:17:29+0100", "id": "035d6de4ee43ba0d3966b1931a31d4f6", "post_id": "post-221760", "text": "Also, I recommend to extend the two classes of cjp by using the classic Design Patterns as reference, until you are good enough to realize that the Design Pattern are not the end of all wisdom. For 99% of the work, the Design Pattern cover it all good. The remaining 1% are the reason why good programmers are so rare.Also, being able to read the code has a higher priority than writing fast programs. If you don't know if you can find bugs in the best code, use a slightly worse one for the start and implement the better code as option once you have a reference for debugging.And: Don't worry if 99% of your code is bureaucracy to make the important 1% of the code look good. Smart ways to handle your data and get the data into action are critical. Such infrastructure is just normal. For example it is often harder and much more code to read information for a small game or part of a game from configuration files, instead of hard coding it. But the work pays out when you extend this part, and have a clean separation of data and code to work with.And the most important rule: Don't waste a single second thinking that you have now learned enough and can do it all. There is always unwritten code waiting for you, and especially games depend a lot on the programmer being able to find non-standard solutions for non-standard problems. Experience is more important than talent, because talent without experience is wasted talent, while you can become a great programmer from experience alone...it just takes much more time and much more discipline and much more dirty boring standard code work. But well...Rome wasn't build on a single day.", "thread_id": 14125 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.912778752Z", "author": "ddom2006", "date": "2010-08-23T05:48:41+0100", "id": "f37c8b56977b094fdbd6bd33ee487f22", "post_id": "post-249847", "text": "DanM said:I've also destroyed quite a few early NASA rockets, just to play with abort buttons:p\n\nI've done so many aborts from NASSP Apollo add-ons to test everything out and get a hang of the very complex control systems I dread to think how much space junk I've left in LEO :facepalm:", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.081877248Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-04-19T04:45:02+0100", "id": "2bb8982e526ed9d302eefcb9ad9c9630", "post_id": "post-217991", "text": "Sky Captain said:Yeah, but once R&D is paid you got whole family of rockets that can be used for variety of payloads. Even if 90 % of your flights are 1 or 3 core versions with heavy configuration flying only few times a year there has to be a cost savings overall at least because your factory that makes cores and personel are used more efficiently. With fixed size heavy rocket that flies few times a year you have a personal and factory doing nothing for most of the time.\n\nLook at it another way. For 50% (for example) of the development cost, you could cover 90% of launches. Instead of developing the 5-core version for the remaining 10% of launches, you could use the left over 50% of development cost (or less, hopefully) for solving the problems that youthoughtyou needed the 5-core version for (eg, figuring our how to do better on-orbit assembly).", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.515752704Z", "author": "Cornflake", "date": "2008-05-15T20:59:17+0100", "id": "88698c5d06554e646667b35f68e26b13", "post_id": "post-65278", "text": "It's fine, Urwumpe is entitled to his opinion:)Urwumpe said:Also, I don't think that disappointing people is a good way to promote Orbiter.Orbiter is no I've Found Her Or X-Wing. Waiting some months with such promo work until Orbiter is ready (for example with OMP getting mature and the next Orbiter Version released) would be better than now promoting it and reply \"That comes later\" to all requests what are considered standard by most gamers.\n\nHmm, I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. As far as disappointment goes, It's their fault if they do not properly research what the game is about and just assume it's a shoot 'em up Xwing game. There's a reason why it's called a \"sim\";)Although, maybe in my description blurb on my Xfire post I should be a little more clear on how complex it is.And I think now is as good a time as any to promote the game. OMP has a long,longway to go before it's even really worth playing beyond the beta test. And we have no idea when the new Orbiter client will be out, and it doesn't make the game any more accessible for newbies as the seperation between Orbiter and Orbiter no graphics makes it that much more complex. Beyond cripser textures, and the new graphics plug in system, we really don't know any strong facts about what the next version will include.Besides, it might take a while to get it supported. Might as well start now. There's lots of advantages to supporting a single player only game over Xfire:)", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.186285056Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-08-23T18:43:53+0100", "id": "aac5bc13803f03276ad9d2fbcfc3761e", "post_id": "post-250280", "text": "I didn't think there will be a thread about it, so I posted a link to another article about this on the Chatbox.Reposted from the O-F's ChatBox archive:Astronomy Now:Another Jupiter fireball!\u200b", "thread_id": 16187 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.304521216Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-04-16T23:05:10+0100", "id": "41333ac5b69a95fe1766e9b98a406c8c", "post_id": "post-218101", "text": "Because nukes in space are [ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Outer_Space_Treaty\"]banned by treaty[\/ame]. The corporation in the film is allowed to operate and have its security detail on Pandora if they abide by certain rules.Nuking stuff might not have been that effective, either, and if someone did decide to nuke Pandora, they would have to wait roughly 7 years to ship the warhead there...And they're actually trying to avoid killing the natives, because naturally it gets bad press back home, until General Ripper goes insane and takes control of everything...", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.629005568Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-10T18:43:27+0100", "id": "a005453c10dba6eab19d35ed174e62a2", "post_id": "post-222084", "text": "I'd certainly liked to get it fixed, PM answered.Also, further bugfixes for OGLA wrt XR2 will be in the OGLA thread.", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.38059136Z", "author": "ghostrunner01", "date": "2010-08-24T23:03:40+0100", "id": "f0f29fa005f238cf34c210684e4e55d5", "post_id": "post-250501", "text": "Whoa! Thats the moon??? Looks more like the sun! Nice photo!", "thread_id": 16204 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.306395904Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-04-17T00:54:10+0100", "id": "194ccd607395fdba4a46a6c4f672378e", "post_id": "post-218116", "text": "But they are using antimatter matter engines in some way so they should have the ability to take some of that mixture and make it into a bomb... And in the final battle all they really needed to do was fly a little higher so those bird creatures couldnt kill em...\n\nBecause storing antimatter in fuel tanks and piping it to rocket engines is a totally different excersise from making a bomb?:p", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.736183296Z", "author": "fort", "date": "2010-05-09T12:49:41+0100", "id": "17c07fbc896ee137faa2ee658a18990c", "post_id": "post-222194", "text": "I was on the way to give you a link to the french forum for a work in progress about runways but i see that it's here also since todayhttp:\/\/orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=15609", "thread_id": 14163 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.845334272Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-22T18:11:50+0100", "id": "46c92e9d1c500efe2bb99359d7c61e2d", "post_id": "post-249725", "text": ":welcome:to Orbiter-Forum! Wipe your feet, keep the carpet clean, and don't forget to :hail::probe:!", "thread_id": 16162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.475085824Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-04-24T00:34:26+0100", "id": "9cc87de10d45971fc1ce435a16b553d2", "post_id": "post-218361", "text": "Yes I have been reading quite alot on the space shuttle and how it operates. I found I tutorial on Orbiter forum for making Scenerios and I guess I will just use that. Any other suggestions would be welcome.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.835401728Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2012-06-15T13:07:15+0100", "id": "82672216048456ed5d666dbd27ed0e77", "post_id": "post-222274", "text": "ion thrusters\n\nTo power them you need a power source, more powerful than RTGs... And past Mars, solar panels are more dead mass than anything. Where Pioneer is, the Sun probably looks like a bright star amongst the others. And a fission reactor well... That would not be a small probe anymore:p", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.161302784Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-01-13T13:11:36+0000", "id": "2ed74f666e951cf0c8e34a222d7bca30", "post_id": "post-250163", "text": "Orbinaut Pete said:Why don\u2019t you watch the live launch with us?\n\nBut if you want to watch it on NASA TV instead, here's the schedule:EST\u200b|UTC\u200b|Description\u200b|Channel\u200b{colsp=4}January 20, Thursday1\u00a0a.m.\u200b|06:00\u200b|ISS \u201cKounotori\u201d HTV-2 Launch Coverage (launch scheduled at 1:29 a.m. ET \/ 06:29 UTC) - JSC via Tanegashima, Japan|\u00a0Public\u00a0and\u00a0Media{colsp=4}January 27, Thursday6 a.m.\u200b|11:00\u200b|ISS \u201cKounotori\u201d HTV-2 Grapple Coverage (grapple scheduled at 6:44 a.m. ET \/ 11:44 UTC) - JSC|\u00a0Public and Media9 a.m.\u200b\u200b|14:00\u200b\u200b|ISS \u201cKounotori\" HTV-2 Berthing Coverage (berthing begins around 9:15 a.m. ET \/ 14:15 UTC and runs through about 11:15 a.m. ET \/ 16:15 UTC; will replace ISS Update) - JSC|\u00a0Public and Media", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71005056Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-04-16T22:39:35+0100", "id": "aaad10438862a84258b3234d22062c43", "post_id": "post-217615", "text": "Problems? No, but still missing the dawn\/dusk effect. One request though: Could you add Coolhand's request from this post:http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showpost.php?p=128309&postcount=57", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.927620352Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-11T17:16:36+0100", "id": "74125c12c8a42e3176ae4e73e3728716", "post_id": "post-221339", "text": "DaveS said:Try this scenario, CTDs for me right when the night illumination kicks in. No joy with the latest OGLA beta(100511).\n\nGot it, MLP.cpp, line 227 - \"MESHHANDLE mesh=GetMesh(vis, msh_idx);\" does not check if the mesh is not returned (==0), causing a crash.Still, not quite your problem, just lack of sanity check.Now investigating why the mesh is not returned from OGLA.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.935084288Z", "author": "MikeB", "date": "2010-08-24T23:52:17+0100", "id": "597e31af23772a100abec13933c2c31c", "post_id": "post-249911", "text": "Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.I can imagine a sort of chat facility being somewhat interesting, with audio and video for those who want to use it. Imagine that whenever you have the \"ChatMFD\" active, you are given a list of orbinauts\/ships and their distance (or light-time) from you. They don't have to be at the same MJD as you, just \"in the neighborhood\". You can hail one (or more) and exchange pleasantries, technical details, opinions on nearby watering holes, etc. Maybe you can show your face (especially if you have a costume or simpit), or speak in real-time (if not too time-lagged).This isn't quite multi-player, since there isn't any play, but it might add a social dimension currently lacking, for those who want it. Eliminating the time-sync requirement makes the implementation nearly as simple as an IRC chat. Of course, people might be talking about two planets near to themselves, when each is only near to one orbinaut, depending on their MJDs. That shouldn't adversely affect social interaction.Building on this capability, the ability to sync the MJD and other aspects of a scenario among two (or more) ships could enable orbinauts to fly cooperative (or competitive) missions in a common world, such as maneuvering near the ISS together.These two steps toward multi-player are a far cry from what some have proposed, but the \"real world\" (even in simulation) will always constrain what we can do. I don't think either of these capabilities would require much in the way of a central server, other than maintaining a list of who's online and where in the universe they are. The rest would probably be peer-to-peer.Does this make any sense? Appeal to anyone?", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.75890816Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-04-16T00:35:29+0100", "id": "2f89a050026ec1a858c8cf800763b87d", "post_id": "post-217666", "text": "Ditto to the above. NONE of my professors would accept wikipedia as a suitable reference. Entries have been edited for nefarious purposes, and only corrected after political damage has been done.I think of it as I do the spell checker, great assistance but a terrible authority.", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.215222784Z", "author": "clickypens", "date": "2010-05-04T14:29:49+0100", "id": "ce72c040d54e594d41f926353a48aa69", "post_id": "post-221525", "text": "Bienvenidos! Si hay algo que necesites, tambi\u00e9n puedes hacer preguntas en espa\u00f1ol en el foro internacional. Welcome! If there's anything you need, you can also ask in spanish in the international forum.", "thread_id": 14107 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.2697472Z", "author": "Mantis", "date": "2010-08-27T15:04:57+0100", "id": "96069be91e090ec7fc07b9390107b5c1", "post_id": "post-250304", "text": "Ok I ran the scenario again with a clean Orbiter install (just AMSO and Orbiter sound installed) and it still CTD. Here's the log:Code:**** Orbiter.log\nBuild Jun 6 2010 [v.100606]\nTimer precision: 4.65436e-007 sec\nFound 0 joystick(s)\nDevices enumerated: 6\nDevices accepted: 5\n==> RGB Emulation\n==> Direct3D HAL\n==> Direct3D T&L HAL\n==> Direct3D HAL (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series)\n==> Direct3D T&L HAL (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series)\nModule AtlantisConfig.dll .... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule AtmConfig.dll ......... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule DGConfigurator.dll .... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nModule OrbiterSound.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: oapiRegisterMFDMode\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n\n**** Creating simulation session\nDirectDraw interface OK\nDirect3D interface OK\nGraphics: Viewport: Fullscreen 1366 x 768 x 32\nGraphics: Hardware T&L capability: Yes\nGraphics: Z-buffer depth: 32 bit\nLoading 8816 records from star database\nModule Sun.dll ............... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(E) Sun: Precision 1e-006, Terms 554\/6634\nModule Mercury.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Mercury: Precision 1e-005, Terms 167\/7123\nModule Venus.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule VenusAtm2006.dll ...... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nVSOP87(B) Venus: Precision 1e-005, Terms 79\/1710\nModule Earth.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule EarthAtmJ71G.dll ...... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nVSOP87(B) Earth: Precision 1e-008, Terms 2564\/2564\nModule Moon.dll .............. [Build 100217, API 100215]\nELP82: Precision 1e-005, Terms 116\/829\nModule Mars.dll .............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule MarsAtm2006.dll ....... [Build 100606, API 100606]\nVSOP87(B) Mars: Precision 1e-005, Terms 405\/6400\nModule Phobos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Deimos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Galsat.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Jupiter.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Jupiter: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1624\/3625\nModule Io.dll ................ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Europa.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Ganymede.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Callisto.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]\nModule Satsat.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nModule Saturn.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Saturn: Precision 1e-006, Terms 2904\/6365\nModule Mimas.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Mimas: Terms 113\nModule Enceladus.dll ......... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Enceladus: Terms 33\nModule Tethys.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Tethys: Terms 101\nModule Dione.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Dione: Terms 59\nModule Rhea.dll .............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Rhea: Terms 68\nModule Titan.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Titan: Terms 100\nModule Iapetus.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nSATSAT Iapetus: Terms 605\nModule Uranus.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Uranus: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1827\/5269\nModule Miranda.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Ariel.dll ............. [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Umbriel.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Titania.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Oberon.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]\nModule Neptune.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]\nVSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391\/2024\nFinished initialising world\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::SetNavRecv\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::SetBankMomentScale\nAt least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.\nAddons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with\nfuture versions of Orbiter.\n---------------------------------------------------------------\nFinished initialising status\nFinished initialising camera\nFinished initialising panels\nFinished setting up render stateI'm beginning to wonder if maybe it needs some C+ runtime or something that I don't have on my computer.---------- Post added at 10:04 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:03 AM ----------garyw said:According to that log you have a lot of modules still active, things like WarpDriveMFD-Mk2.dll and collision-core.\n\nThey were still there but disabled. I ran it again with a clean install though and got the same result.", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.30182656Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2011-04-15T19:42:55+0100", "id": "24c0f14735e79745dee9327a6f6e07a7", "post_id": "post-218081", "text": "Moreover I have read that there is a particle accelerator in orbit of Polyphemus to fill the antimatter tanks of the spaceships!!", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.374717184Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-05-20T02:09:13+0100", "id": "9de22d7ab9b9d9aada325fb8984cc61e", "post_id": "post-221745", "text": "If you share the instances of IMFD, you can have both Target Intercept AND Orbit Eject open and linked. While the dV shown in OE will be a bit erratic, keeping an eye on the EIn shown there will make a big difference. Once you find a window with a small EIn, you can tweak the TEj in Orbit Eject for lowest dV.If you look, his first window had an EIn of 17.6 degrees (2.112 km\/s), a large plane change to be making at Pe. The second window had an EIn of 3.65 degrees (437 m\/s). The dV cost for the plane change is included in the Enroute dV. Remember that Target Intercept is using the Earth for it's source, so your velocity relative to Earth isn't counted in it's dV estimate.Raising the Ap to make the plane change prior to ejection, as you suggest, would make the first plan much less expensive.", "thread_id": 14123 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.466029568Z", "author": "Saturn V", "date": "2010-08-26T23:41:00+0100", "id": "2f0c3e095c97cc2258b1fffb78fae41b", "post_id": "post-250667", "text": "Almost as entertaining as a turd in the punchbowl...:sick:", "thread_id": 16216 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.4855168Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-04-19T13:21:40+0100", "id": "74780f3f936ca733d1f941912d3b8b4c", "post_id": "post-218409", "text": "KosmoKen said:Are you using an add-on that requires Hi-Res KCS? Can be found on Orbithangar.EDIT: Actually I don't think that's it.. odd. Are you trying to use CVEL Titans by chance?\n\nYes I am, it has been a while since I did, what is the fix?", "thread_id": 13918 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.388550912Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-05-05T22:02:25+0100", "id": "04d4cdc686e0bf1852c480b750af6175", "post_id": "post-221761", "text": "Urwumpe said:And: Don't worry if 99% of your code is bureaucracy to make the important 1% of the code look good. Smart ways to handle your data and get the data into action are critical. Such infrastructure is just normal. For example it is often harder and much more code to read information for a small game or part of a game from configuration files, instead of hard coding it. But the work pays out when you extend this part, and have a clean separation of data and code to work with.\n\n:goodposting: Well-said! Sometimes you necessarily end up with a lot of code in your framework (which is \"hidden\") just so that yourmaincode (which is not \"hidden\") is easy to extend and reuse. Like Urwumpe said, that often takes more work up front and results in more total lines of code, but it pays off big-time later because once your core framework is finished and debugged you don't have to mess with it just to extend yourmaincode. So don't feel bad about having to write a lot of \"hidden\" code just so your \"main\" code is easy to understand and extend. Complex programs require lots of code -- there is no way around that. And the cleaner you can make the \"non-hidden\" part of your code, the better -- even if that means a more complex \"hidden\" framework underneath it. :thumbup:", "thread_id": 14125 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.913684992Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-09-03T22:01:56+0100", "id": "61a2066634e5200b1b9d90bb78a96a81", "post_id": "post-249854", "text": "Lets check my list764 Ummus dead291 From burning up on reentry138 From hitting the ground304 From sending them on reentry without any heat shield in earths atmosphere31 From \"other\" reasons34 DG-IV's destroyed29 From failed reentry(Man i suck at reentry)5 Parachuting \"tests\"15 XR1 destroyed14 on reentry1 Burning engines for along time and ramming into the moon at 15 km\/s13 XR2 destroyed5 From reentry7 From aerobatics1 Docking on the ground with an XR5(dont ask how long it took to get it....)39 XR530 Reentry5 Aerobatics1 Docking on the ground4 Id rather not sayOver 400 shuttles toasty in the atmosphere or similar incidents208 AMSO Saturn V lost from manual control309 LEM made into a crater on the lunar surface54 Command modules lost in reentry97 Service modules from failuresAnd many more ships that i haven't tracked.", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.635040768Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-04-21T20:05:20+0100", "id": "272755fae250ebdc38f3250edea9ff0c", "post_id": "post-218684", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:I flew the DGIV for about 18 months before I discovered that it had a docking autopilot. And even now, I still don't use it.\n\nThe DGIV has a docking autopilot? :blink:", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.425496832Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-05T23:29:06+0100", "id": "7615b47762b4156e29464d86aed65329", "post_id": "post-221772", "text": "One thing I discovered is that gender roles seem to be very strong at school and during childhood. When I conducted some Orbiter workshops at school I realized that girls did not like Orbiter as much as boys. Boys play with cars and technology, girls play with dolls.Unless you find a way to make a Barbie adventure in Orbiter, where fashion or dancing is more important than physics, there is not too much chance to make your sister to like space travel.For me it is a shame, because it causes self exclusion of women from a technologically based economy. In terms of education, refusing like she does exposes her to some degree of technological illiteracy.Of course, technology and math are not everything, so she may find her way in life. But certainly this world is based on math and technology for many things, either she likes it or not, either she hates it or not.You should not force her, you should not try to prove she is wrong. Everyone has the right to have an opinion. Perhaps she likes something else, and that's Ok.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.099898112Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-24T07:24:00+0100", "id": "bf80d4376f64a2d65919ac94ecff54c1", "post_id": "post-250102", "text": "Overgeneralising a people by the crudest form, i.e \"The East\" or \"The West\", is a bad plan whichever side of the world you are on and doing it. People don't fit into boxes. Computer games do fit into boxes.We are fundamentally different people, with different cultures, living all over the world in extraordinarily different countries whereeverythingis different - the laws, the standards, and what people perceive as \"acceptable\" or even \"expected\" - all of these things are different for pretty much everyone posting in this thread.As such, conversations like this will lead only to frustration, bickering, and flame warring. So there's no point in having it. I will reiterate for the third and final time my desire to return this thread to its original topic.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.890117632Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-19T13:54:15+0100", "id": "871d060a2e230ba1bb8bc0c8024f2857", "post_id": "post-217834", "text": "orb said:Spaceflight Now:Europe's second cargo freighter to fly in December:\u200b\n\nFrom the article:The ATV's engines will burn about 4,000 kilograms, or 8,800 pounds, of propellant to raise the station's altitude next spring after the final scheduled space shuttle flight in February and March.The orbit boost will amount to about 40 kilometers, or 25 miles. The station will need fewer reboosts in the future when flying in the higher orbit, which subjects the complex to less drag.\n\nYesterday's ISS On-Orbit Status Report has the ISS's mean altitude at 355.7 km. Add 40 km to that and the ISS's mean altitude will be 395.7 km! Bearing in mind the article said \"about\" 40 km, I should imagine they'll boost it right up to 400 km! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.837344512Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-08T22:42:42+0100", "id": "3222821c9b93f472f34ded7d04849277", "post_id": "post-222284", "text": "Universe Today:Voyager 1 May Have Left the Solar System", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.272525824Z", "author": "ACSoft", "date": "2010-09-02T19:16:42+0100", "id": "9954edd2c1173e64d8e5ccac0edd2eac", "post_id": "post-250318", "text": "Mantis said:Thanks for all your help! I'm going to re-fly the \"J Missions\" now that I can use the rover. As I said, this is my favorite addon of all. :tiphat:\n\nWould be nice if you can fly one of them the next few comings days and report here that, hopefully, you didn't encounter any other CTD or other major problems.As I said, the modification I made is not a real correction, but an empirical change, which apparently overturn the problem. Therefore, I hope it is not just that the problem was displaced elsewhere by this modification.In this meaning, I will wait almost until Sunday evening before to publish the new patch.ACS", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.974102784Z", "author": "willy88", "date": "2010-04-16T19:12:14+0100", "id": "dc8992a3c67411ab5c7a65ab668c64a4", "post_id": "post-217962", "text": "http:\/\/www.space.com\/businesstechnology\/3-d-printer-moon-base-100416.htmlHow well would the 'mooncrete' stay pressurized, though? Looks like it could save on building supplies, anyways.", "thread_id": 13884 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.17634304Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-03T22:35:28+0100", "id": "c3454e2dc135dd263588984e40af958a", "post_id": "post-221440", "text": "Awesome! :speakcool:It looks like we\u2019re going to have another good pass at 11:22 PM!", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.637278976Z", "author": "ryan", "date": "2008-05-27T06:08:44+0100", "id": "4b1a6c424ff21c0b4b4baa7fc03a90bd", "post_id": "post-69019", "text": "Thanks guys, my sister said that i would care for it alot, but this was before she showed it to me, i was going what the hells going on, i thought was she trusting me with her car, unlikley.", "thread_id": 1626 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.301570816Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-04-15T19:04:00+0100", "id": "9501590480bedf8702990e83c20f118e", "post_id": "post-218080", "text": "No, it would probably not cost that much. Remember a trillion dollars is a thousand billion dollars. That is a lot of money.The cost estimates for the ISS are between 35 to 160 billion USD. A lot of that is on orbit operations, in the case of an ISV you'd deal with those seperately. A large percentage of theconstructioncosts are taken up by launch costs. Presumably the launch techology of the Avatar future world enables far lower surface\/orbit costs than with current technology, and indeed, far lower surface\/orbit costs than the ridiculously expensive STS.Also remember that while the vehicle is large, it would actually be quite light, as the average density is low. The rear shields are very thin and thus light, the truss is lightweight, and even the pressurised sections are made of inflatable modules (or at least, they seem to be). The engines and radiators would probably be pretty dense though, they'd easily be the heaviest part of the ship (and theylooklike the heaviest part of the ship...). It would be pretty funny, with low surface\/orbit costs you might actually have more money spent on constructing such a behemoth on-orbit than money spent getting the components there.\"The US has more\" makes no sense. It's a vehicle owned by a business, that exists to turn a profit. It isn't some science mission with no economic return. Besides, the US operates and owns a lot of vehicles, that are built by contractors anyway, and there are a lot of instances where corporations actually own facilities, that are utilized by the government.Maybe there is government, or international (more probable) funding for the start-up, but these ships are built to pay for themselves many times over. With the kind of revenue the RDA makes with the maguffinite Unobtanium, they should easily be able to afford such a vehicle.There are other problems though, mainly the fact that the antimatter and laser array needed to propel such a ship would be of utterly epic proportions, and would be highly unlikely to cost little enough for the operation to turn a profit. It might be better if the ship didn't have such a high acceleration though.Just because the US is a country (or even that it's a large and influential country), doesn't mean it is a super-entity.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.18451712Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-06-28T00:30:56+0100", "id": "24ae577c3aa422cc0964321b0fba5fbb", "post_id": "post-221468", "text": "1.http:\/\/www.heavens-above.com\/2. A telescope with a mount. You don't need lots - just something to magnify it with. I'd recommend at least 50X to see any detail. For photos, you will need a compact digital camera (for the low-tech method) or a CCD astro-camera\/webcam for slightly more high-tech viewing.3. The sky maps on Heavens-above are very useful a determining the start point - you will not miss it if you look east at the time of the pass.---------- Post added 28-06-10 at 00:30 ---------- Previous post was 27-06-10 at 10:04 ----------I got tonight's first pass at 23:25 too - I'm getting more used to tracking now, as I got a nice smooth view as it passed over. Now for the second at 01:00!", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.097090048Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-08-24T01:06:03+0100", "id": "fcdfec409f129742d982865c22ba0d57", "post_id": "post-250075", "text": "MJR said:No way in hell should business and politics be mixed together.\n\nHappens everyday... We're more of a plutonomy now than a democracy.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.465943808Z", "author": "MeDiCS", "date": "2010-04-19T02:02:03+0100", "id": "7e4e4149f11211c6cd72a6fd13434ba1", "post_id": "post-218356", "text": "Even though thereareaddons for the 2009 version, or at least have a patch provided as is the case of AMSO.Edit:Most older addons will also work with the new version.", "thread_id": 13916 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.43015936Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-05-08T03:36:28+0100", "id": "c1ffcd2c6ef559ea5aaa6f627cd154e6", "post_id": "post-221813", "text": "supersonic said:If they have enough tickets, you have to buy tickets to see the shuttle launch close up. If he doesn't have enough tickets for his friend's family then he can't go. If he has to many tickets, that's just wasted money.\n\nFrame them keep them in a good place for a decade or so sell them for massive profit", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.162162944Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-20T16:19:17+0000", "id": "6bfa8bb3b2b3c90520caa37678948441", "post_id": "post-250170", "text": "New Launch Date and Time of H-IIB Launch Vehicle No. 2 with KOUNOTORI2 (HTV2) Onboard.The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) has announced the postponement of the H-IIB Launch Vehicle No. 2 (H-IIB F2) launch with the KOUNOTORI2 (HTV2, a cargo transporter to the International Space Station) onboard from the Tanegashima Space Center to no earlier than January 22 (Japan Standard Time) due to an unfavorable weather forecast.After examining the weather conditions and the preparation status, we decided to set the new launch date for 2:37:57 p.m. on January 22 (Sat.,) 2011 (JST.)------------------------------\u200bNASA Updates Broadcast Plans For Japanese Cargo Flight To Station.The launch of the H-II Transfer Vehicle \"Kounotori2\" (HTV2) planned for Thursday, Jan. 20, was rescheduled due to a forecast for weather conditions that would exceed launch restrictions. The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency reset the launch for 11:37 p.m. CST on Friday, Jan. 21.NASA still plans live television coverage of the launch from Tanegashima Space Center in southern Japan. With an adjusted rendezvous plan, the grapple and attachment of the cargo ship to the International Space Station remain planned for Thursday, Jan. 27, and also will be covered live on NASA Television.NASA TV's updated programming schedule for HTV2 events includes (all times CST):Friday, Jan. 21:11 p.m. -- Launch coverage, anchored from NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, begins. Launch is scheduled at 11:37 p.m.Thursday, Jan. 27:5 a.m. -- Grapple coverage, anchored from Johnson, begins. The grapple of HTV2 is scheduled at 5:44 a.m.8 a.m. -- Berthing coverage, anchored from Johnson, begins. The attachment should be complete at approximately 10 a.m.For more information about Kounotori2 and the H-IIB launch vehicle, visit:www.jaxa.jp\/countdown\/h2bf2\/index_e.htmlFor more information about the International Space Station, visit:www.nasa.gov\/stationFor NASA TV downlink, schedule and streaming video information, visit:www.nasa.gov\/ntv", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.47680896Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-05-13T01:22:16+0100", "id": "ed6a45ce9fcfa6b9a986acc14959acb4", "post_id": "post-218374", "text": "Ok new question because my last one seemed to stump everyone because no one answered...it was an opinion so there was no wrong answer but any ways opinions are tough for people.:)So here is my next question...I noticed in the T-6:00 hours senario the seconds that are counting down equal 9 hours I looked around in the senerio and couldn't find where that was controlled. Could someone tell me where that is controlled or point me in the right direction. I would like to dissable it completely. Thank You", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.515820032Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2008-05-15T21:34:01+0100", "id": "cfdcb82cf126b5298ccfdaf06d6a3add", "post_id": "post-65279", "text": "I have been looking at some profiles, and one profile had 50 hours on a single player game :huh:when we are using skype or IM we cannot be running orbiter, unless in windowed mode. With Xfire you can, and have a log of hours.Its not the end of the world or orbiter if this passes or doesnt. In my opinion its better to have to option to use xfire then to not have the option at all.", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.66339328Z", "author": "donatelo200", "date": "2010-08-28T22:37:37+0100", "id": "3dca3048e20901dbfcabb32350143ad1", "post_id": "post-251105", "text": "How do i even get on? This is something i wan't to try. I know the IP", "thread_id": 16264 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.633301248Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-04-21T09:35:38+0100", "id": "eded6631f601dabc869d143148626d8f", "post_id": "post-218677", "text": "It would be interesting, but would it be able to manage a \"low-DV\" spacecraft like the Progress-M (which is automated) ?", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.629668352Z", "author": "flyer", "date": "2010-05-13T14:47:08+0100", "id": "9b13bd25f426ba71eb4fe649ef36929a", "post_id": "post-222089", "text": "Thanks Doug, yeah I had seen that in the cfg file.I guess there isn't much call for this stuff from people - looks like I'm on my own with it!Thanks for the replies though and keep up the good work!", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.815493632Z", "author": "Marcel", "date": "2008-06-09T05:54:52+0100", "id": "745949d14a855eccf871cfbd930df8e1", "post_id": "post-68935", "text": "Around here there are several fireworks displays one can go to on the fourth of July, but it's more fun to set off your own and see the others from a distance. The police don't bother with the illegal (good) ones unless the weather is dry and there's a fire danger. They're more concerned with drunk drivers. That's how we celebrate, drinking and blowing things up!", "thread_id": 1616 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.56558208Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2008-05-10T22:28:01+0100", "id": "81f1167f7fad626562253b46e14e8ac3", "post_id": "post-65132", "text": "Burn prograde at your apoapsis. our periapsis is very low (dangerously so) so fix that first. Burn at your current apoapsis so that your periapsis becomes your apoapsis and raises to about 10km below the station.You will then need to do a series of prograde burns at your new apoapsis to get your sync orbit MFD situation corrected and simultaneously raise your new periapsis.I also strongly recommend \"Go Play in Space\", it has excellent step by step instructions and it explains the underlying concepts very well.Welcome to the Orbiter community:cheers:", "thread_id": 1393 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.923358464Z", "author": "Quick_Nick", "date": "2010-05-06T22:01:47+0100", "id": "4d909c297193cdf8e851df1ac5ba6fca", "post_id": "post-221290", "text": "Alright, I'm very recently jumping into use of Orbiter beta, and I've only tried to use OGLA a couple times. And for some reason, while it works fine (although VERY slow) on my old single-core, it just won't run on my decent duel-core.Windows Vista x64Pentium Duel-Core @ 2.50GHzUnfortunately using a builtin graphics controller, so maybe this is the problem.I'm getting this in the ogla log:Code:5\/6\/2010 3:52:11 PM| INIT| OGLA v100506 (GLGR)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:41 PM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.2\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:41 PM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.4\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:41 PM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 2.0\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:41 PM| INIT| glgruva=1, usevbo=1, vboav=1, glgr_stensh_aupd=0, gvsync=0, gl_comp_sup=1, gl_shm4=0\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:41 PM| OGLADBG| OGLA 100506 Debug.\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)\n5\/6\/2010 3:52:43 PM| OGLTEX| Error: (oglc_blit) Access violation at address 046CF918 in module 'ig4dev32.dll'. Write of address 00000000 (hc=0)And orbiter.log has this error at the bottom:Code:---------------------------------------------------------------\n>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: oapiBlt\nColour key argument not supported by graphics client\n---------------------------------------------------------------I've atached the dxdiag if it helps anything.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.932197632Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-23T09:03:34+0100", "id": "4555093f063b974ab12bdfcafc605483", "post_id": "post-249895", "text": "teh sh00terz!!!!Nah, just kidding. I'd probably barely play an Orbiter Multiplayer, because I barely ever play ANY multiplayer games. I like to play alone, since I was a kid.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.760565248Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-04-16T04:31:31+0100", "id": "d876c9caaeb0b86d321bc7d1bfcbd9b0", "post_id": "post-217675", "text": "Unstung said:As for the errors, I got somebody to change a word in the Space Shuttle article:...is afictionalAmerican spacecraft...\n\n\n\n^ I think you just proved why Wikipedia is not suitable as a reference... :dry:BTW, have you read the Wikipedia articles on the topic?:phttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikipedia:Citing_Wikipediahttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikipedia:Researching_with_WikipediaShadow Addict said:I know a few people who have found a bad article about something they know about and use that as evidence to discount the whole site, which I get angry at.\n\nIt is easy to discredit as a reference (see above), but as a research tool it is very valuable. Google is a very valuable research tool too, but you could hardly cite it.", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.924856832Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-08T18:21:50+0100", "id": "fcdb1fa14c561a371913946296d63f59", "post_id": "post-221309", "text": "To all testers:Please look at the screenshot below.Do you get the same kind of holes around MFD buttons, and were they there since which beta?Fixerger said:Every time, my video card has corrupted memory but it has problem only with that center MFD, works good on standard renderer.\n\nProbably that's the case, the memory is likely distributed differently in the different renderers.Fixerger said:Crash found - when you press TGT in map mfd and choosing some target.\n\nAnd select spaceport? Known, probably something core-related.anemazoso said:Also there is some wierd behaviour with the stock Orbiter F4 and F3 menus. When you press F4 for example the menu does not pop up unless you move your mouse cursor over the area where it is. And when it does appear it does not have a X button in the top right corner of the menu to close it although if you click where the X is suppose to be the given menuwillclose. This issue is also circled red by me in the screenie.\n\nBoth knows, lack of X is something inherently wrong in the new Orbiter, the non-upping is something undefindedly wrong in full-screen OGLA.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.03444352Z", "author": "DarkEnergy", "date": "2010-09-03T22:05:54+0100", "id": "cb5bbdf68b9a74d880216532368682c0", "post_id": "post-250048", "text": "orb said:That gives level 12 after rounding down, or blurred level 13 if you upscale it to 262144 x 131072 pixels.\n\nOh, I always get confused about how big each level is. I think I asked you before in the IRC; I should have written it down.Still, it could be useful for a level 12 texture which is higher than any other available today.", "thread_id": 16179 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.916660736Z", "author": "kuddel", "date": "2011-02-17T14:40:16+0000", "id": "837feacdfe6204c83fb76cf5a8e125ec", "post_id": "post-217901", "text": "Urwumpe said:It is done that way for reducing the torques and forces produced by that. After all, you move a lot of mass away from the center of gravity. If you would just deploy one at a time, the ATV would start to tumble.\n\nBut shifting the CoG when you arenot rotatingdoes only apply a lateral shift of the \"rest-body\" to the opposite direction, right? Only translation, no rotation. I can see no force that is not running through the CoG that could create a rotation\/torque.So, I mean the CoG \"stays on it's path\", only the construction around shifts a bit:(X marking the CoG)Code:+-----+\n ## | | ##\n ## | X | ##\n ## | | | ##\n +- | -+\n |\n |\n V\n\n\n +-----+\n ## | | ###### ###### ######\n ## | |--X--###### ###### ######\n ## | | | ###### ###### ######\n +-----+ |\n |\n |\n V\n\n\n +-----+\n###### ###### ###### | | ###### ###### ######\n###### ###### ######-----| X |-----###### ###### ######\n###### ###### ###### | | | ###### ###### ######\n +- | -+\n |\n |\n VNevertheless, when one has to use the thrusters when in \"asymetric\" state (2nd state in my example), then you will definitely introduce unintentional torques!So to open the panels symetric is definitely amore savemode.:thumbup:Now I am really curious about the spring\/blade mechanics they use.Thanks for ideas\/insights\/thoughtsKuddel", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.315719424Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-05T15:05:07+0100", "id": "b456587b4431d113ae342f9932651297", "post_id": "post-221631", "text": "Cheeseburger (in paradise, not too particular not too precise...)Fast food cheeseburger doesn't count. Give me one outside from the grill.Hot dogs... never read the whats in them (Hebrew Nationals are OK), but brats (also grilled) beat dogs.", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.097500672Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-08-24T02:38:49+0100", "id": "6527fcc0775630e46457e43272e146f4", "post_id": "post-250078", "text": "computerex said:I spent half of my life in that region. I have taliban friends, and I can be in fact considered a taliban. I have a beard, long hair for the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad. The hospitality towards guests, family values, the general treatment of one another is such that the western world can't even imagine.People there (not in Pakistan, I mean the \"pathan\", afghani people) are selfless.It is the western world that is barbaric and animal like. I hope to dear god that someday by some miracle westerners will learn to read a book.\n\nI agree with you somewhat. It is just the extremists that I despise. The normal ones are just like any other humans who wouldn't want anybody else in their home waving guns, but unfortunately most of the Taliban wanted to kill Americans even before we were there. They are animals and cowards at ones. They hide in the mountains and use IEDs to kill our soldiers because they are too afraid to get in a firefight even with a small platoon, but when something of theirs go successful they are the first ones to claim the attack. Every country has these type of people who are either extreme or regulars. It seems that most in Afghanistan are maybe not who they seem to be. I just don't know. If hospitality means let the rivers run red with western blood then that is pretty crazy.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.300560896Z", "author": "Voyager", "date": "2010-06-08T17:33:53+0100", "id": "77914ad6b43629c38ede910f130c7d34", "post_id": "post-218070", "text": "As soon as figure out how to make mods for Orbiter 2010, I will start making both. But I can make mesh, not so good with everything else.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.514855424Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2008-05-14T16:24:57+0100", "id": "b52c2f246733278214d38c7a19c4f559", "post_id": "post-65270", "text": "Cornflake said:Come on, 7 votes and 3 posts on the thread? We're going to need more support than that!\n\nhow many posts do you need to make it a available program?", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.936694784Z", "author": "fort", "date": "2010-08-29T21:50:28+0100", "id": "060bfae8da9baceced7ee495c9336cfc", "post_id": "post-249927", "text": "Urwumpe said:I think it would be possible to produce a cooperative multiplayer mode with multiple players controlling one vessel, by the vessel alone... there are some tricky problems for this, but not as tough problems as multiple vessels.\n\nHello Urwumpe,There is something on the way in that meaning\/sense since two months on the francophone side and it seems to be finished or near to be finished. The test phase seems good and the author is in the intention to add \" a controller module communicating with it \" . It's made actually for a crew of four members.http:\/\/orbiter.dansteph.com\/forum\/read.php?f=5&i=19185&t=19185&page=0", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.309060096Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2011-04-24T19:22:17+0100", "id": "bb1fec6a5f1e205143c25c4706b302dd", "post_id": "post-218136", "text": "I believe that the code for the ShuttleA is included in the SDK, you should take a look and see if you can adapt it.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.555817216Z", "author": "Piper", "date": "2008-05-12T05:04:38+0100", "id": "b495c892410591fc085f85acae347ddc", "post_id": "post-65280", "text": "Does anybody have any guidance for creating rings that are perfectly round? I'm trying to make some rings for Jupiter, based on images from New Horizons, but I'm having some difficulty. I can make the texture files without any problem, but I'm having trouble rounding-out the texture so that it doesn't look jagged.", "thread_id": 1415 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.164575744Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-26T19:26:30+0000", "id": "9dbf91bb20b8da99b0050e23a6138278", "post_id": "post-250190", "text": "JAXA: \"KOUNOTORI2 Completes First Height Adjustment Maneuver\".KOUNOTORI2 performed the first Height Adjustment Maneuver (HAM1) at 6:26 a.m. January 26.Next height adjustment maneuver is scheduled to begin at 11:17 a.m. January 27, 2011.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.35687936Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2008-05-10T12:03:00+0100", "id": "2d90d4191cc289f19283c8e344103beb", "post_id": "post-65104", "text": "you could use the Universal-Cargo-Deck-Carrier for the XR5 (I currently seem unable to access Orbithangar, so I can't post a link...), then you can use the Universal Cargodeck via the scenario-editor (which otherwise you couldn't, because the XR5 has no fixed center of gravitiy). It's a slight bit more tedious, but you can load anything in any position. Otherwise, I don't know...", "thread_id": 1390 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.92158848Z", "author": "Auzar", "date": "2010-05-03T23:56:55+0100", "id": "128d523b7fd928a9b74b521ccfd633ec", "post_id": "post-221271", "text": "Hielor said:Did you run orbiter_ng.exe?\n\nYes )))) The last version worked for me", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.170262528Z", "author": "Donamy", "date": "2011-02-18T00:27:28+0000", "id": "b5dd7ba6803d583048b052e1775dc013", "post_id": "post-250236", "text": "Will it be on NASA TV ?", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.553602816Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-04-20T23:01:57+0100", "id": "fa66d65c2f058b90668e07979ee6b876", "post_id": "post-218554", "text": "Shadow Addict said:I'd say people telling me that their problems are so much worse than mine is one of theworstthings people can do to relieve my stress or depression.\n\nAgreed. No offense to him though, everyone seems to have it harder than the next person. Each person handles stress and situations different and certainly we all are. I think it is a matter of dedication and over perseverance to complete something.", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.922829056Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-05-05T09:54:53+0100", "id": "387d7a431ec9951068ae996553ca957e", "post_id": "post-221283", "text": "Two more bugs to report:The new Map MFD doesn't display right. Where the map display is supposed to be, there's only a light-blueish rectangleUsing the target selection menu in the Map MFD causes a CTD---------- Post added at 10:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:50 AM ----------Artlav said:The landing lights along the runway that helps one line up?No idea where they are in the core's data, would fix once found.\n\nThey're part of the RUNWAYLIGHTS definition in base cfgs. So look for those.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.27383808Z", "author": "Mantis", "date": "2010-09-04T12:58:24+0100", "id": "f09e88770e9b894ba28e408a79b5948f", "post_id": "post-250328", "text": "ACSoft said:Thanks Guys !I am happy it seem to work now for everybody !I suspect that maybe this CTD is linked with ATI graphic driver (who apparently use msvcr80.dll library). Those who suffered of this CTD, could-you report if your PC is equipped with ATI hardware ? This would be interesting to know.ACS\n\nHello ACS...I do indeed have an ATI Radeon Mobility adapter in all of my computers. My main notebook has an ATI Radeon Mobility 5870 with 1 GB of dedicated RAM and my secondary notebook has an ATI Radeon 4350.", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.70805376Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-04-15T20:50:17+0100", "id": "50f4fd7f812b952e7899177ef6be67df", "post_id": "post-217603", "text": "No joy on the new atmospheric effects here. Also getting terrible FPS. Getting an message about that VBO is not available and it is running unaccelerated.Also, still the old effect on the thruster exhausts.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.18018048Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-04T16:15:52+0100", "id": "b4a6fd326ff7e3f45b1cfa604940869b", "post_id": "post-221445", "text": "I saw the second pass too, but the sighting was intermittent as the ISS kept passing in and out of cloud!:mad:I'll try again tonight - I have a sighting at 9:05 PM and a better sighting at 10:37 PM. However, looking at the current weather (cloud), I don't think I'm going to have much luck.:(", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.436651008Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-08-25T08:07:51+0100", "id": "91b3b10753e322977a29ba2355c1fc69", "post_id": "post-250532", "text": "Turbinator said:It can be used to generate FM radio signals that your radio can pick up\n\nAM, not FM, and only mono. Also the better your monitor is (from an EMC point of view), the worse it works. Still kind of cool though.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.888785408Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-16T16:22:39+0100", "id": "5b326ca9c8920da9188afc62e870b21e", "post_id": "post-217827", "text": "Orbinaut Pete said:ATV-2 is currently scheduled to launch to the ISS on November 30th 2010, and dock to the aft port of Zvezda on December 17th.\n\nGooooooood!That means the last resupply ship before Christmas and New Year is no US Shuttle. Nothing against the US spacecraft, really, but some special liquid pieces of cargo are better handled by responsible adults.:cheers:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.233664Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-04T17:20:50+0100", "id": "30d574f2f4265d433faa250ee859b248", "post_id": "post-221534", "text": "Oh my god. I am unique in this universe.", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.515638528Z", "author": "johan", "date": "2010-08-26T09:09:55+0100", "id": "0c268e3ff07d0ecedb9a06838c1a0a47", "post_id": "post-250765", "text": "Hi all!You may have heard of the public service strikes in South Africa - as a result, there is a shortage of high school textbooks. Mark Homer, a fellow at the Shuttleworth Foundation, has some open-source textbooks (almost) ready to go, but they need a final review before going to the printers for nationwide distribution.They need people with postgraduate degrees in Mathematics, Physics and Chemistry to help out with the reviews.See the following links for more details & information on how to get involved:http:\/\/www.markshuttleworth.com\/archives\/497http:\/\/www.markhorner.net\/2010\/08\/24\/calling-scientists-and-mathematicians\/---------- Post added at 10:09 ---------- Previous post was at 09:59 ----------Oh, I see I forgot to mention the urgency: Government basically gave them a week to complete the review, I think they have until something like 1 September.", "thread_id": 16228 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.196604672Z", "author": "itchythemouse", "date": "2008-05-10T12:37:20+0100", "id": "383f78fc6a1364eaa32cb5c20911d447", "post_id": "post-65097", "text": "i've incountered this problem before when loading station.scn, its because orbiter cant find a mesh for a block that uses spacecraft3 (most likely BArm1) because that block isnt in the add on.a solution is to delete that block from the scenario.", "thread_id": 1389 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.466407936Z", "author": "JMW", "date": "2010-05-06T15:59:59+0100", "id": "12a1153781754c936a027e9d547b3327", "post_id": "post-221833", "text": "Thanks Lupin_Yonder.This hasn't worked for me, although can't find any direct antialiasing settings on my card, but have set for \"application to decide\" where possible.Why would it appear when in \"window\" mode???:shifty:Re-installed nvidia drivers (latest) and everything fine.", "thread_id": 14133 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.539249664Z", "author": "diogom", "date": "2010-08-26T20:01:53+0100", "id": "f1125b51c67dbe55e569beb822a1039c", "post_id": "post-250796", "text": "Its in the right position now.I just need to rotate it to the other side, so it ends with the trusses on the opposite direction than on the image. What do I need to do?By the way thanks for your help", "thread_id": 16232 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.317322496Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-17T19:22:35+0100", "id": "748b7581cdddcf51b1cbfd1aa2821173", "post_id": "post-218153", "text": "According to Google:http:\/\/safebrowsing.clients.google....t=Firefox&hl=en&site=http:\/\/s2.noelshack.com\/", "thread_id": 13895 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.925334016Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-05-08T22:14:01+0100", "id": "6d34ca20c21a3fa09d1a0d39d4204e64", "post_id": "post-221315", "text": "Artlav said:Okay, after a few hours of vandalising an abbreviation-rich 1 Mb of code into a 31-line test case, i found three problems, 2 in SSU, one in OGLA.The one in OGLA was an assumption that add-ons are unanimously correct.The ones in SSU were lack of texture flag and a weird assignment of texture coordinates.\n\nThis is now fixed! So need for the special OGLA. With the addition of the D to the texture lines, things work nicely again! Thanks for your assistance!", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.162246144Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-21T14:56:43+0000", "id": "5374ca63a8c51cf4383dfa1f3b2a8b40", "post_id": "post-250171", "text": "HTV-2 is at the pad!:)JAXA via Twitter said:H-IIB F2 arrived at the launch pad: H-IIB arrived at LP2. Connection between H-IIB and LP2 started.\n\n", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.31864704Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-04-18T20:45:46+0100", "id": "04942d83b7de6c23b2c958f4e8e58f84", "post_id": "post-218162", "text": "DagoO's signature pictures are hosted at that site.", "thread_id": 13895 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.333841664Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-05-05T11:52:25+0100", "id": "122f9ed7af420b6dca8fa9668c8b8730", "post_id": "post-221661", "text": "There is a big D&D group here that up until a week ago played on Saturdays and Sundays at the local board game store,www.gameknightstore.com. They have outgrown the store and to not interfere with the Magic tournaments, have since moved to another more private location.Never got into D&D, though I loved the Dragonlance novels back in high school. I used to play GURPS (Generic Universal Role Playing System), but that was years ago and our games had a more modern theme to them.I'm currently addicted to plastic crack, aka Heroclix. It's a D6 game, not nearly the complexity of D&D, and you don't get the satisfaction of leveling up a created character, but it has its own brand of strategy and tactics. Play almost every Thursday night at the store.", "thread_id": 14116 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.337212672Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-24T07:53:51+0100", "id": "4a6c00989b9494c0c7e2ca3f40a34737", "post_id": "post-250347", "text": "Likewise. I was wondering on this story when I first heard that it could take four months to get them out - like how much by way of food and water do they have down there, et cetera?However:Rescuers made contact with the miners by lowering a probe into the mine\n\n:probe:will look after them.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.57943808Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-04-27T08:35:21+0100", "id": "9b6e6e44696eb9ae38f8ed2cc0265c0d", "post_id": "post-218592", "text": "Interceptor said:Can you please add A trip from Brighton beach base on the Moon to a space station in orbit around the Earth such as ISS and, Mir ,also a trip from Earth to a space station in orbit around the moon?Thanks\n\nI'll look into this, but I don't know if I can get this done in the time frame we want. My apologies, but this could easily delay the release by a week or two, or even more. Making the actual flight recordings isn't that time consuming, but annotating them takes far longer than flying them.Keep in mind that so far we've tried to keep things at a \"simple, yet effective\" level that can be applied to many situations, rather than a specific \"here's how you do this particular flight\". The \"Advanced Concepts\" tutorial I'm working on is an exception, it values efficiency more than simplicity, and is much more complex than the first version.Both the tutorials you've requested involve the same principles, and doing both would be repetitive. Our goal (or at least my goal) is to teach you the basic principles that can be applied to a wide range of circumstances. While I've made a real effort to reduce spaceflight to a repeatable process (taking a cue from modern manufacturing processes) without needing any external math, it isn't really possible to cover every situation - some effort on the user's part is expected to figure out specifics. A \"paint by the numbers\" approach isn't really practical if we want to release this tutorial any time this year, covering every possible situation. I'll do my best, but I'd rather teach you how to get to the Moon with an inclination you choose rather than teach you how to get to a particular station orbiting the Moon. In other words, the focus is on general practices, rather than specifics. One of the real joys of Orbiter (for me at least) is figuring out how to apply general theories to an actual scenario.If there is a real demand, I'll put together individual tutorials covering specific missions such as these, and release them separately. Keep in mind that I have the inconvenience of a real life that limits the time I can spend doing this, so please be patient.I'll be putting in over 60 hours of time just doing the tutorials already planned - partly figuring out how to do these things in the first place, and mostly figuring out how to make it understandable (and repeatable) to other Orbinauts. I'd rather spend the time expanding the tutorial on Map program, which is the lest understood, but by far most powerful, feature of IMFD, than doing another \"mission specific\" tutorial.If I do my job right, you'll be able to figure out how to do anything you want without \"handholding\" you through it. I'm not saying that will be easy, but there is a reason they call it Rocket Science!:)", "thread_id": 13934 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.36363904Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T19:05:00+0100", "id": "05e770ebbafe5a7351a183a1d13f6982", "post_id": "post-221735", "text": "cjp said:Is it a good idea to let incRef have a 'failure' result, if it turns out that that object was deleted before the reference could be incremented?\n\nYes. Maybe it would be smarter to use smart pointers instead of directly handling the references, so you never call IncRef on a not-existing object.", "thread_id": 14122 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.544631296Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-08-27T01:33:59+0100", "id": "f519620057db1ca7a0c278a638740906", "post_id": "post-250855", "text": "First off, welcome back to the forum. Second. Well... I think that's been covered... It may be cute if your, like 8 or 9 years old. But if I saw this on a resume it'd wind up in the round file. It's more annoying than chatspeak.", "thread_id": 16235 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.714596352Z", "author": "rucinter", "date": "2010-04-17T22:12:31+0100", "id": "a8dbec823462a4aea4f5cbd087015cb2", "post_id": "post-217639", "text": "Here ismy collectionso far.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.383811584Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-05-06T00:42:22+0100", "id": "71c575ade8a4ea4a19d47cb016de7737", "post_id": "post-221751", "text": "let's try... although it seemed to be crashing even with that line commented out altogether...but let's try, anyways...---------- Post added at 08:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:32 PM ----------no... nothing...the following code still causes CTD:Code:\/\/\nHDC hDC;\nbool DGa2::clbkVCRedrawEvent (int id, int ev, SURFHANDLE surf)\n{\n\t\n\t\n\tswitch (id)\n\t{\n\t\t\/\/\n\t\tcase DVC_SYSMFD_1:\n\t\t\n\t\t\/\/\n\t\thDC = oapiGetDC(surf);\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\/\/\/\tSetBkColor (hDC, RGB(0,0,0));\n\t\t\n\t\tRectangle (hDC, 50, 50, 70, 70);\n\t\t\/\/char* testiclez = \"should be working...\";\n\t\t\/\/TextOut(hDC, 10, 150, testiclez, strlen(testiclez));\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\toapiReleaseDC (surf, hDC);\n\t\treturn true;\n\t\t\n\t}\n\t\n\t\/\/\n\treturn false;\t\n}however, should it return false, the CTD's stop... but then, no redraw gets done...please help - im stumped! :shrug:", "thread_id": 14124 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.628038656Z", "author": "brettdajet03", "date": "2010-08-28T19:08:12+0100", "id": "72d04c161fdb3652e6edc85530f4eb13", "post_id": "post-251045", "text": "I've tried all scenarios. None of them work. Now that I think about it, none of the addons I've installed myself work properly. I used the self-installing one's that DanSteph made and they work fine. But any addon that I have to unzip and install manually doesn't seem to work. Maybe there's a problem with my installation?", "thread_id": 16258 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.299921152Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-05-02T13:01:35+0100", "id": "9cf1e2fa6c22f414f013718b545c8d43", "post_id": "post-218065", "text": "I believe I already explained that, Hielor.Thanks for bringing it across in a coherant and understandable manner.:p", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.430408704Z", "author": "Mojave", "date": "2010-05-08T13:28:43+0100", "id": "b71c2fa815dc21fe816192a302e17927", "post_id": "post-221815", "text": "Hielor said:I mean, since your post implies that you're within day-driving distance of the Cape, maybe you could find a friend at school who wants to go and and whose parents would take you too?\n\nStill, can't. Mom and Dad would have to come. They will not let me or anyone else in the family drive with someone they didn't know personally.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.712427264Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-08-23T11:27:00+0100", "id": "d48f89cff286da99223478eaa13c67d3", "post_id": "post-249694", "text": "RisingFury said:Don't bother... Colbert will win again anyway :lol:\n\nYeah but they won't go with it. I voted for Star Trek :lol:DarrenEdit:Orb said:For the very last STS launch, whichever it will be (maybe STS-135?), I would vote, if it was on the list, forEurope - \"The Final Countdown\".\n\nSame here.:)", "thread_id": 16157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.302992128Z", "author": "River Crab", "date": "2011-04-16T19:25:17+0100", "id": "c23fac4a7b6d2288bc1d5c04ca9094cb", "post_id": "post-218090", "text": "That's big...that's bigger than a Space Shuttle Orbiter, and, for a more comparable vessel, both longer and more voluminous than Moach's G42-200...:rolleyes:It seems about right from the size we see it in the film.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.460858624Z", "author": "JMW", "date": "2010-05-06T08:44:41+0100", "id": "4d888fa17a4d79cdfa407738a361041c", "post_id": "post-221826", "text": "If you post the scenario it might help", "thread_id": 14132 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.892146432Z", "author": "Krys", "date": "2010-08-23T00:06:15+0100", "id": "00dc31d7ca232c45fdc9a543801294ff", "post_id": "post-249823", "text": "Welcome to the world of crazy laughter, the odd shreak of joy upon completing a mission, and the hailing of the Probe.", "thread_id": 16167 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.306271232Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-04-17T00:40:07+0100", "id": "01cef4e741e1a20035a2153bacae44cb", "post_id": "post-218115", "text": "That too!", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.656631296Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-05-08T04:48:44+0100", "id": "90a160a76c2f0061fa46ada2bf3e0684", "post_id": "post-222111", "text": "I used to have this:My brother stepped on it and it fell apart, and I never got around to rebuilding it.", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.2702848Z", "author": "Orbitnovice", "date": "2010-09-01T00:48:08+0100", "id": "d49113b2055601afda38faecd3a55e44", "post_id": "post-250307", "text": "AMSO:Lunar Rover CrashO\/S: Vista Home Premium (x86)6.0.6001 service pack 1 Build 6001AMD Dual Core 4450eGraphics:ATI Radeon HD 3450Having just installed the 2010 orbiter, AMSO 1.19 ,module's and enhanced texture's, I also had the same CTD with the Lunar rover. However, when it failed the Problem Signatures showed the following information:Problem Event Name: APPCRASHApplication Name: Orbiter.exeApplication Version: 0.0.0.0Application Timestamp: 4c0bf8a3Fault module Name: msvcr80.dllFault module Version 8.0.50727.4053Fault module Timestamp: 4a594c79Exceptio Code: c0000005Exception Offset: 000173bdIs the msvcr80.dll part of C+ runtime which as been mentioned in other posts?I Downloaded and installed (in the orbiter base file) the latest version of msvcr80.dll, and the rover deployed and ran. When I switched orbiter off\/on the rover CTD came back. I then did a clean install with just AMSO and sound, the rover CTD happened again, and orbiter log showed the same information as mantis. Installed msvcr80.dll and rover ran, but when orbiter switched off\/on rover failed.In a clean install I have tried both of your scenarios, and orbiter immediately does a CTD.As to Orbiter 2010 itself, I must say I am well impressed with graphics and the overall challenge it sets.", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.731191552Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-09T05:39:37+0100", "id": "be7d61e2b12784827a7207eab1c5290d", "post_id": "post-222190", "text": "Yes, if you've ever been in State College during a Pitt-Philly game, in any major sport, it's insane. Right in the middle of the state, and everyone's dressed in their team's colors, every bar is split down the middle. I was there to visit a friend once during an Eagles-Steelers game and I swear I heard a gunshot up the block somewhere.", "thread_id": 14162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.477532416Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-15T22:35:36+0100", "id": "f13754e57c57269255aa5d1f57da78b1", "post_id": "post-218380", "text": "AtlantisOnline said:No one can tell me how to find the TIG for a deorbit burn. Also if -20k is the correct amount of altitude below earths surface for a deorbit burn.\n\nThe goal is -1.5\u00b0 reentry flight path angle at 120 km altitude (EI), with EI being about 45\u00b0 away from the landing site. IMFD can calculate you this.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.33990784Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-08-24T10:32:59+0100", "id": "6495b02a9ad4fe86209304d7c404dae9", "post_id": "post-250352", "text": "jedidia said:4 months? darn, they'll start eating each other down there...\n\nThey are now sent food, water, some good and oxygen through the bored shaft.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71565312Z", "author": "bpops", "date": "2010-04-19T02:33:36+0100", "id": "5689f35664ecb7799c7e853ca2ecbe33", "post_id": "post-217649", "text": "Hielor said:Huh. Artlav had said that the non-pot limit was there to make it work (and not CTD) on ATI cards...so for you, it prevented the CTD, but didn't actually make it work.\n\nHe says disable it for NON-ATI cards, and to do so for ATI cards at your own risk (so perhaps this CTD isn't news to him).EDIT: Ah, I think I see what you were saying here now. But I thought a possible solution for the MFD displacement\/flashing was going to be disabling the non-pot limit, based on the topics you quoted. Hence the confusion.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.83634304Z", "author": "Spacethingy", "date": "2012-08-21T12:06:34+0100", "id": "b7299c182c1c1f21795a77b386a12b05", "post_id": "post-222280", "text": "Just looked up the \"Pale Blue Dot\" picture... Haven't had genuine goosebumps for a long time!", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.015611392Z", "author": "johan", "date": "2010-08-25T12:56:47+0100", "id": "ae503ab598c87ba490c5ab39acadcba5", "post_id": "post-250020", "text": "jarmonik said:TransX belongs in the default orbiter installation so it's ok to have it in a clean install.I think I found one bug. Let's hope it was the one giving trouble.\n\nOk, will try it out tonight. Thanks for the quick response!:cheers:", "thread_id": 16176 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.85891584Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-04-16T13:28:30+0100", "id": "086f5efdefb7e96e66eeedd59cc46f41", "post_id": "post-217736", "text": "I am developing an addon of the Russian Voskhod Spacecraft.Historical Background Info on the Voskhod spacecraft:After the Vostok program came to a close, the Soviet Unionwanted to continue its space program and was constructing the Soyuzspacecraft which is still in use today. Unfortunately, the Soyuzwould not be ready until 1965 or 1966 and the U.S. was already workingon the Gemini program. To stay ahead of the Americans, the Russiansmodified a Vostok capsule so that it could carry three people. Themodified spacecraft would be able to stay in orbit longer and on itssecond flight, an airlock was attached to facilitate the first EVA.A backup retro engine was also added so that the primary engine couldbe used to make orbit changes and the craft would still have enoughfuel to deorbit. To facillitate the extra weight, the second stageof the Vostok rocket was lengthened. The Voskhod spacecraft onlyflew two times but future missions were planned.Here's a beta version of the addon:View attachment 4451The rocket needs an autopilot and I still haven't started on Voskhod 2. If anyone wants to help with this addon I would greatly appreciate it.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.921709568Z", "author": "martins", "date": "2010-05-04T00:00:02+0100", "id": "ea9ad6d5fe4b5d4f353e237680fcf2c9", "post_id": "post-221272", "text": "Auzar said:At attempt to activate module OGLA, an error - the input point is not found:confused:Win7. NVidia 8600 GTS\n\nNot so quick! The new beta only came out today! I know that Artlav can work miracles, but even he needs a bit of time to update his code :thumbup:.Edit:Actually, I think I got this the wrong way round: Artlav has already updated his code, but you haven't upgraded to the new beta yet?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.498553856Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-08-27T06:22:25+0100", "id": "8d51ad01693bfe29f7b89b524b7803d6", "post_id": "post-250722", "text": "Nope it just does the whole Vista\/7 white out the screen then a message comes up saying 'Orbiter shipyard has stopped working'.Darren", "thread_id": 16222 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.881643264Z", "author": "MeDiCS", "date": "2010-04-17T14:00:53+0100", "id": "ffb0e9f313ac50230c145a33d8fcfd4c", "post_id": "post-217814", "text": "I play Orbiter from time to time, but my peak is when I'm trying something new, such as an unpowered reentry & landing (no APs). Now I'm trying to do a Moon transfer with AMSO so that I can get there with enough fuel for the return trip (Huston, we have a problem :rofl:).", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.295054336Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-05-09T07:50:27+0100", "id": "8a850356bedb98ec3ffc368883c5cce7", "post_id": "post-221586", "text": "Hielor said:Using Flash to watch video is like using a semi truck and tractor trailer to do your weekly grocery shopping.\n\nSure as hell beats having to use some random player or hard to install player or 3 different players per page.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.5078208Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-08-26T00:25:01+0100", "id": "f7dbf08092078409c8afe5a5b87b2a1f", "post_id": "post-250740", "text": "Another:welcome:", "thread_id": 16224 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.896004096Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-02-15T21:25:39+0000", "id": "4e563ba58c7bedb52834ac9d24e30a73", "post_id": "post-217873", "text": "That's going to be a big delivery for the ISS:)---------- Post added at 09:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:31 PM ----------Live video feed available in less than 30 minutes :http:\/\/www.videocorner.tv\/videocorner2\/live_flv\/index.php?langue=enAvailable both in French & in English.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.42589568Z", "author": "Suzy", "date": "2010-05-06T09:00:33+0100", "id": "890e0ad120c8a2cb7bf25cbc0e40f236", "post_id": "post-221776", "text": "I liked fighter jets and military stuff as a teenager! Though this was mainly painting and drawing them - I was unfortunately math-challenged.I do think there are hard-wired gender differences (though it's not politically correct to say so!). I notice that in much fan fiction I read, guys tend to focus on action and blowing things up, while girls focus on relationships.(A sort-of-relevant article: \"Testosterone level of men increases after playing violent multi-player video games\")", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.271098624Z", "author": "fort", "date": "2010-09-02T12:47:20+0100", "id": "60738389050967058010ba18b6f1ed47", "post_id": "post-250311", "text": "\"Is there any way to know which runtime libraries are used on a specific system...\"Dependency walker ?http:\/\/www.dependencywalker.com\/", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.298323968Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2010-04-21T21:23:25+0100", "id": "0c0cc1b997d5c46c862ee31f05b8d58a", "post_id": "post-218052", "text": "http:\/\/www.projectrho.com\/rocket\/rocket3ap.html---------- Post added at 08:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:16 PM ----------we have to remember that the antimatter engine is not the only way to travel of ISV. In the accelerate fase from earth the ISV uses a photon sail. To return from Pandora it uses the antimatter engine to accelerate and the photon sail to decelerate", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.672846848Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-05-09T20:51:34+0100", "id": "3774790904b33cc220488fddc0e2c202", "post_id": "post-222162", "text": "awww, it's not in swiss german...:(Trailer looks pretty nice for a swiss film. Looks more or less a bit similiar to alien, just that the alien got replaced with your random unknown factor.", "thread_id": 14157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.442514432Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2012-08-12T09:22:46+0100", "id": "f4a81731e6c87d13417e6b3303387f47", "post_id": "post-250595", "text": "dumbo2007 said:Here is mycollisionstation:phttp:\/\/img692.imageshack.us\/img692\/3194\/20120811125218.jpgUpgrading soon to a Dell 24 inch monitor !\n\nThat looks like the same laptop I have, an Asus N53SM-ES72.Unless the monitor's resolution is greater than 1080P, you're just getting a larger area to look at.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.298512128Z", "author": "craigh", "date": "2010-05-01T02:27:27+0100", "id": "28aca6fa6cfa88c2faea88e01a8d9331", "post_id": "post-218054", "text": "All,Just found a Google Sketch-up model of the shuttle in Avatar.http:\/\/sketchup.google.com\/3dwarehouse\/details?mid=184142e7d56c65358cfc19f2a5d035c3&prevstart=0Not a perfect rendition, but pretty nice and way more than \"good enough\" and quite than suitable for Orbiter.Some of the other craft are there as well. Venture Star is currently a work in progress.It's readily down-loadable, I've fired off an email to the author to try getting permissions to mod and use the shuttle in Orbiter. Essentially, I've asked for a blanket permission to allow somebody really qualified to deal with the dll, animations, etc. Any top notch volunteers? My skills probably won't cut it. They're pretty much basic scenario editing, and minor config modifications.CraigH", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.772479488Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-09T01:48:05+0100", "id": "482fa1c20194743c7d70d8c7cd2d645c", "post_id": "post-222211", "text": "Perhaps if it were something that could be turned on and off.But if you are into making movies (or something) I'm sure it could be added \"post-production\".", "thread_id": 14168 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.846217216Z", "author": "ddom2006", "date": "2010-08-23T05:51:45+0100", "id": "94e2ec7b0ee789f9292040a09884a04a", "post_id": "post-249729", "text": "Welcome back:)", "thread_id": 16162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.478067968Z", "author": "SiameseCat", "date": "2010-06-23T17:54:17+0100", "id": "0d1b3652c45f8baf18c72f2b88bf786a", "post_id": "post-218386", "text": "In V1.25, the Item entries are done through the Orbiter's keyboard. You can get the displays by clicking on the Up button in CRT MFD.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.326233088Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T02:31:51+0100", "id": "f0960cc21f65ebbf076eb58c7cf342bb", "post_id": "post-221640", "text": ":(Sadly that thread wasn't much help at all. Not sure which codec I need to get, and no idea how to install it. I was trying to play it on windows media player.", "thread_id": 14115 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.182639616Z", "author": "vonduus", "date": "2010-08-23T18:19:42+0100", "id": "14ca2af82d388bd475a41e604f8d4f56", "post_id": "post-250275", "text": "Hi everybody! :tiphat:Houston, we have a problem.My time warp will not allow me to exceed 100x. When I set it to 1000x, it immediately goes back to 100x. It is not a BIG problem, but as I have just started on my way home from the Moon, I would certainly like to get this fixed.I am flying in Orbiter 2010 with the Delta Glider IV-2, UMMU and UCGO, plus assorted hi res planet textures and space ports, all add-ons that should be safe to use with 2010 according to the 'recommended add-ons' page (http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=16).Anyone who has had this problem? And who knows how to fix it without doing a reinstall?:cheers:von Duus", "thread_id": 16186 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.601524736Z", "author": "gertz", "date": "2010-05-04T16:10:21+0100", "id": "74599067dcd07c132fe1b835cd11e268", "post_id": "post-218637", "text": "mc_ said:\"\u0424\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0443\u043b\u0430 \u0426\u0438\u043e\u043b\u043a\u043e\u0432\u0441\u043a\u043e\u0433\u043e\" (sorry, dont know how it will be in english)M1 - empty mass, M2 - full (with fuel), I - engine Isp, V - max dV.\n\n\u0420\u0443\u0441\u0441\u043a\u0438\u0439??", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.344165888Z", "author": "dutchErik", "date": "2010-05-05T19:02:41+0100", "id": "c8bce84d9be17564b35295b1998ccdbe", "post_id": "post-221675", "text": "Keatah said:The next version of Orbiter is slated to be released on Tuesday. Check info here:www.orbitersim.com\n\nThanks for the info.Btw are you sure that the next orbiter has been released tuesday.Looks like the site hasn't been updated scince 2006.I don't see a word about the 2009 version.", "thread_id": 14118 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.590770432Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2010-09-29T20:37:03+0100", "id": "2a3790f1b751d1d49efa013667e079b0", "post_id": "post-250981", "text": "What about interfacing to 1553?:cheers:now that would be positively funny", "thread_id": 16249 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.60835456Z", "author": "desertman", "date": "2008-05-10T21:14:42+0100", "id": "56048772a8e900e56ce6011e9290048f", "post_id": "post-65139", "text": "Doug, I'm flying the XR5 and the XR1. I will try ctrl-*.The reason I asked was, I use the hover engines when in orbit to adjust my inclination. I like to use the prograde AP then adjust my inclination with hover engines.Ted", "thread_id": 1394 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.837135104Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-09-07T11:58:04+0100", "id": "ddf95fe1fa4c0fd2f2a3c53342371c4b", "post_id": "post-222283", "text": "The Planetary Society Blog:A Voyager 1 anniversary mosaic", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.616607232Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-28T15:40:33+0100", "id": "5acd41526e9ea2cac0e6aa0a26bb4804", "post_id": "post-251027", "text": "Need more information than that.http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=17071", "thread_id": 16255 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.633678848Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-04-21T14:39:12+0100", "id": "80397d0542748b3d4321d64757d184ed", "post_id": "post-218678", "text": "Graphical awareness is what makes things simple and understandable.For example galactic map MFD gives a better idea than Orbit MFD.Usability also helps, and in that matter Orbit MFD is more user friendly than Galactic map MFD.My bet is that docking may also add a component of graphical awareness.Docking may seem trivial and \"too simple\" for DG docking, but when you have a docking port on the top of your craft as in STS or in the rear (as in TTM24) docking becomes harder.", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.842264576Z", "author": "Nicholas Kang", "date": "2017-12-02T06:19:44+0000", "id": "e88c7544bd72ff70ffbb57996edea1f2", "post_id": "post-222312", "text": "And she is alive!NASA:Voyager 1 Fires Up Thrusters After 37 YearsVoyager 1, NASA's farthest and fastest spacecraft, is the only human-made object in interstellar space, the environment between the stars. The spacecraft, which has been flying for 40 years, relies on small devices called thrusters to orient itself so it can communicate with Earth. These thrusters fire in tiny pulses, or \"puffs,\" lasting mere milliseconds, to subtly rotate the spacecraft so that its antenna points at our planet. Now, the Voyager team is able to use a set of four backup thrusters, dormant since 1980.\"With these thrusters that are still functional after 37 years without use, we will be able to extend the life of the Voyager 1 spacecraft by two to three years,\" said Suzanne Dodd, project manager for Voyager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California.Since 2014, engineers have noticed that the thrusters Voyager 1 has been using to orient the spacecraft, called \"attitude control thrusters,\" have been degrading. Over time, the thrusters require more puffs to give off the same amount of energy. At 13 billion miles from Earth, there's no mechanic shop nearby to get a tune-up.The Voyager team assembled a group of propulsion experts at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California, to study the problem. Chris Jones, Robert Shotwell, Carl Guernsey and Todd Barber analyzed options and predicted how the spacecraft would respond in different scenarios. They agreed on an unusual solution: Try giving the job of orientation to a set of thrusters that had been asleep for 37 years.\u201cThe Voyager flight team dug up decades-old data and examined the software that was coded in an outdated assembler language, to make sure we could safely test the thrusters,\" said Jones, chief engineer at JPL.In the early days of the mission, Voyager 1 flew by Jupiter, Saturn, and important moons of each. To accurately fly by and point the spacecraft's instruments at a smorgasbord of targets, engineers used \"trajectory correction maneuver,\u201d or TCM, thrusters that are identical in size and functionality to the attitude control thrusters, and are located on the back side of the spacecraft. But because Voyager 1's last planetary encounter was Saturn, the Voyager team hadn't needed to use the TCM thrusters since November 8, 1980. Back then, the TCM thrusters were used in a more continuous firing mode; they had never been used in the brief bursts necessary to orient the spacecraft.All of Voyager's thrusters were developed by Aerojet Rocketdyne. The same kind of thruster, called the MR-103, flew on other NASA spacecraft as well, such as Cassini and Dawn.On Tuesday, Nov. 28, 2017, Voyager engineers fired up the four TCM thrusters for the first time in 37 years and tested their ability to orient the spacecraft using 10-millisecond pulses. The team waited eagerly as the test results traveled through space, taking 19 hours and 35 minutes to reach an antenna in Goldstone, California, that is part of NASA's Deep Space Network.Lo and behold, on Wednesday, Nov. 29, they learned the TCM thrusters worked perfectly -- and just as well as the attitude control thrusters.\u201cThe Voyager team got more excited each time with each milestone in the thruster test. The mood was one of relief, joy and incredulity after witnessing these well-rested thrusters pick up the baton as if no time had passed at all,\" said Barber, a JPL propulsion engineer.The plan going forward is to switch to the TCM thrusters in January. To make the change, Voyager has to turn on one heater per thruster, which requires power -- a limited resource for the aging mission. When there is no longer enough power to operate the heaters, the team will switch back to the attitude control thrusters.The thruster test went so well, the team will likely do a similar test on the TCM thrusters for Voyager 2, the twin spacecraft of Voyager 1. The attitude control thrusters currently used for Voyager 2 are not yet as degraded as Voyager 1's, however.\n\n", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.84601728Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-08-23T01:39:19+0100", "id": "bfaf6b4a00408a43f5a44520c57eccbd", "post_id": "post-249728", "text": "Welcome, Claude! I always like to hear what's happening on the space front.", "thread_id": 16162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.635748864Z", "author": "mjanicki", "date": "2010-04-22T00:27:32+0100", "id": "39b55fa30dd0d54248e98f5698c87982", "post_id": "post-218687", "text": "I agree with one of the previous replies -- an automated docking can be very useful for those who are just starting out with Orbiter. When I first started with Orbiter, I learned to dock (after many failed attempts) by watching how the DG-IV docking autopilot did it. I haven't used an autopilot to dock in forever, but having such an autopilot was a great learning tool.-- Mike", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.842543104Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2017-12-02T07:38:36+0000", "id": "3df6afec790d8c7dea3058daa6179eee", "post_id": "post-222314", "text": "Gotta love V'ger!", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.100292608Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-08-24T12:33:54+0100", "id": "9de73ffb5eb8a55e98dd48fb558b10e7", "post_id": "post-250106", "text": "I sense a lot of cultural dislike and distrust. Of course the majority of afghan citizens just want to lead normal lives and have their human interests at stake. And of course there is plenty of hate-mongering for \"terrorists\" in western countries.Some things though, I do not think should be tolerated, like beating of children. Something that was legal in South Africa for example, only 20 years ago. Just because it is the norm, does not mean it is morally correct.I think the title of foundation for modern western civilisation goes to the Romans and the Greeks (Rome has remained influential even since the fall of the Roman empire, due to it being the center of the Catholic church), though Arabic advances in things like science and medicine, especially during the European dark ages, must not be ignored.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.927706368Z", "author": "Felix24", "date": "2010-05-22T20:44:05+0100", "id": "81cdb692d6bfce9ea7376388ba6c5422", "post_id": "post-221340", "text": "I found that if \"Double-FOV\" is turned on in the OGLAClient features window, the raytraced sky does not seem to follow the new FOV. It seems to use the old FOV. The sun, stars, ships, planet surface, and clouds are correct, but the raytraced sky and what appears to be a second \"sun\" do not appear in their correct positions.To see this, turn on \"Double-FOV\" and load the scenario 2010 Edition>Earth views>In low orbit over Africa, and pan around outside.Also, in the 2nd camera, the raytraced sky is not in the correct position. It seems to display the same sky that is in the forward view, and not from the 2nd camera's angle.I am using Orbiter beta 100503 with OGLA 100511. My system uses Windows XP Professional SP2, Nvidia 8800 GTS, Intel Core2 Duo 6750, and 3 GiB of RAM.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71239168Z", "author": "rucinter", "date": "2010-04-17T17:31:33+0100", "id": "55a57b7a46d521245afc980e7d2b48f8", "post_id": "post-217627", "text": "I've looked again on other's screenshots and I realized I don't have the \"F7 for options\" message on HUD and pressing F7 or F11 while in Orbiter have no effect. However, the OGLA client is installed, the module is activated and running OGLA scenarios give me no error.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.4839808Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2008-05-26T15:59:15+0100", "id": "b5c7c75cde7b3d6a7a70555a34bc13a7", "post_id": "post-68970", "text": "Mine would be something like, \"Hey, what are those mountain goats doing so far up here in these clouds?\" ", "thread_id": 1622 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.922642944Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-24T21:20:02+0000", "id": "2ad96d9ace752bf0f2cbc2ba259bf65e", "post_id": "post-217932", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 24\/02\/2011.ATV-2 (Automated Transfer Vehicle-2) \"Johannes Kepler\" docked successfully at the SM (Service Module) Aft port at 3:59 PM GMT. ATV hooks were closed at 4:06 PM GMT, SM hooks at 4:09 PM GMT. Congratulations, ESA! [At ~10:53 AM GMT, the 20.7 ton unmanned ATV maneuvered from a holding position 39km behind and 5km below the ISS, set up a direct link with the Station and conducted a 4 hour staged approach with several stops at reference points for checks. At a distance of 249m, the ATV computers autonomously computed its own position through RGPS (Relative Global Positioning System) data, comparing with GPS data received from ISS and in close range using VDM (Videometer) lasers pointed at LRRs (Laser Retroreflectors) on the SM for distance & orientation determination relative to its target. Final approach was at a relative velocity of 7cm\/s and with an accuracy of better than 10cm. The cargo transport, which remains docked for the next four months, is delivering 1,600kg of dry cargo, including food, clothes and equipment; 4534kg of ISS reboost\/attitude control propellants, 850kg of ISS refuel propellant to be transferred, and 100kg gaseous oxygen. Note: Prior to the start of closing maneuvers, ATV-CC (ATV-Control Center\/Toulouse) experienced a problem with one of its console tools which resulted in loss of ability to independently verify correct onboard boost computation, as required to monitor two Flight Rules (FRs). After discussion, these FRs were waived since the vehicle remained safe without these checks being performed, and in the knowledge that the NASA VVO (Visiting Vehicle Officer) console tools can perform a similar check to provide a level of confidence in the onboard boost computations. Later, the Russian Simvol display in the SM failed while ATV was at the S3 station keeping point. TsUP-Moscow performed troubleshooting and recovered Simvol. This caused an approximately 15 minute delay in ATV leaving S3. As for the ATV itself: all systems performed flawlessly during the docking.]In preparation for the docking:FE-5 Paolo Nespoli powered down the amateur\/ham radio equipment in the SM to prevent RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) with the cargo ship [it was turned back on later in the day].Paolo also configured the SM STTS communications panel 2 for the docking, taking out the RSA-2 channel to prevent possible echo\/feedback.FE-6 Cady Coleman closed the shutters of the US Lab, Cupola and JPM (JEM Pressurized Module) to protect them against thruster effluents [reopened before sleep time].FE-2 Oleg Skripochka activated & verified proper operation of the Russian TEKh-15\/DAKON-M IZGIB (\"Bend\") experiment in the SM for taking structural dynamics data during the ATV-2 berthing [afterwards, Oleg downlinked the data to the ground and shut off DAKON. IZGIB has the objective to help update mathematical models of the ISS gravitation environment, using accelerometers of the Russian SBI Onboard Measurement System, the GIVUS high-accuracy angular rate vector gyrometer of the SUDN Motion Control & Navigation System and other accelerometers for unattended measurement of micro-accelerations at science hardware accommodation locations - (1) in operation of onboard equipment having rotating parts (gyrodynes, fans), (2) when establishing and keeping various ISS attitude modes, and (3) when performing crew egresses into space and physical exercises].Oleg also activated & tested the Ku-band video \"scheme\" for transferring & downlinking streaming video via the MPEG-2 (Moving Pictures Expert Group-2) encoder, after Paolo had activated the A31p laptop in the FGB for the video conversion to US NTSC format.FE-1 Alexander Kaleri & Paolo configured the PCE (Proximity Communications Equipment; Russian: MBRL) in the SM for the docking [involving the MBRL AFU (Antenna Feeder Unit) and ATV PU Hand Controller].Monitored the approach & docking.After the docking, Alexander disconnected & removed the ATV PU Hand Controller unit with its power cable, covered the ATV connectors and stowed PU in the FGB.ATV Reboost:Tomorrow morning at 10:33 AM GMT, a one-burn ISS test reboost with ATV-2 OCS (Orbit Correction System) thrusters will be conducted for a duration of 198 seconds and a delta-V of 0.5m\/s. Purpose of the reboost is to test the ATV OCS thrusters as well as set up phasing for Soyuz TMA-01M\/24S landing and Soyuz TMA-21\/26S launch.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.176699392Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-03T23:29:58+0100", "id": "c03d9d106a70bdc7a3f8ed71bc75617f", "post_id": "post-221442", "text": "Fantastic!I saw it once a while back, when it was a lot smaller than it is now.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.654583552Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-08-30T11:02:01+0100", "id": "0175d23cfbffabd59e8735fc4a62e9dc", "post_id": "post-251093", "text": "Looks like a precise reenactment of the B-52 crash on the air show.Negative dihedral can be really terrible for RC pilots...", "thread_id": 16263 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.53001472Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-19T22:25:12+0100", "id": "1e629ade79134edb2f3aaaaeddb41446", "post_id": "post-218455", "text": "cjp said:According to the legend it isn't. Finland just always has 1000 km of railway per 1000 inhabitants. When someone is born, they add a km of railway, and when someone dies, they dismantle a km.\n\nIsn't that in metres per 1000 inhabitants? So each person only has a metre to themselves...", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.184719616Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-08-26T18:51:46+0100", "id": "f0665451bf103d1959fb78ad04019205", "post_id": "post-221470", "text": "O-F Staff Note: Threads merged.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.858116352Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2010-11-01T21:16:05+0000", "id": "d2385be73761de5cc778a3634e52e788", "post_id": "post-249754", "text": "This is a very sure sign of division by zero somewhere in LoLa's autopilot code. You've been teleported to the infamous NaNspace.", "thread_id": 16164 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.532347648Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-04-20T14:54:17+0100", "id": "43b9956e4b8945eea3c0d82afe457957", "post_id": "post-218480", "text": "One of my dreams (other than getting in space) would be to take the TransSiberian once in my life. It must be a real experience !!", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.313269248Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-04T22:29:22+0100", "id": "74f24db53b4305139fbf28f28236b05c", "post_id": "post-221613", "text": "D\u00f6ner Kebab.Or \"Currywurst\"... one of the few kinds of fast food, that have a song about it.", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.86782592Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-08-23T11:41:44+0100", "id": "15e153b55bbd33320695ae20ac2f755c", "post_id": "post-249789", "text": "Too bad they aren't going launching people on their current rocket. What are they going to test on the current 'spacecraft' then?\n\nBooster and spacecraft design, launch procedure and recovery. Size is pretty much the only difference.", "thread_id": 16165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.54024704Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-04-20T18:22:47+0100", "id": "5f9e100b63086bb941a60d83391c06af", "post_id": "post-218496", "text": "Linguofreak said:You can't really do Doppler without data for a good chunk of the electromagnetic spectrum. Simple RGB won't cut it, since any given RGB value corresponds to multiple blends of different wavelengths. Also, you can't just limit yourself to the visual spectrum, because Doppler will shift stuff outside of the visual spectrum into it. So you'd need to have spectral data for each pixel at multiple points in the visual, and then even more points in the UV and infrared ranges, and, depending on how much Doppler you want to do, possibly into the microwave\/radio and X-ray\/gamma-ray ranges. At that point you're looking at textures with possibly hundreds of bits per pixel. Yuck...\n\nWell - it's a raytracer that can show us how wormhole would look like to human eyes so limiting it to RGB or HSI values is enough. We cannot see in UV ir IR so ot is pointless to take those shifts into account and compute them.When using HSI color model you can shift hue (spectrum in fact) to boundaries of human perception and rest may be cut off. I'm not programmer so making workable algorithm will be difficult for me. Also I don't know basics of your raytracer how it models energy but I think simple routine below should be helpfull:1 Read basic, unmodified by gravity value of pixel in RGB mode2 Convert it to HSI model3 Apply shift (red or blue) depending on gravity vector and power4 Convert back to RGBAs I said I'm not programmer and this is only basic Idea but it maybe it will help you. There are surely routines to calculate color from RGB to HSI and opposite but I don't know how they'll work and how efficent they are.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.315175424Z", "author": "rseferino", "date": "2010-05-05T13:58:26+0100", "id": "c432516fee89a3cf1142cd9857c1eb3f", "post_id": "post-221625", "text": "For me a hamburger. In my country Venezuelahad a typeof hotdog named \"Pepito\" is like a big hotdog without sausage but with meat, fried egg, beets, cheese.", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.160081152Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-12-04T00:12:31+0000", "id": "c0c481319eb43cfa901400f0b9551ea8", "post_id": "post-250152", "text": "Has relevance to HTV-2 - includes a section by me on the impacts to HTV-2 from STS-133's delay to Feb.NASASpaceFlight: \"NASA managers realigning ISS manifest following STS-133 slip to February\".", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.7110016Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-04-17T06:38:35+0100", "id": "2c7efad116dbef774801799ea92e9b85", "post_id": "post-217620", "text": "n72.75 said:Performance report: I get a solid 3fps regardless of settings....Also, after termination, Orbiter remains in the processes list.\n\nDo you have the more fixed 100416 version, or your ISP still blocks Orbides site?Here is a mirror, in latter case:http:\/\/www.rumaxclub.ru\/etc\/oglaclient-100416_beta-091124.zipIf that doesn't work, then:-Which GPU (2xHD3870?) and Windows version do you have?-Could you please run the program herehttp:\/\/www.rumaxclub.ru\/etc\/glgrcln.zipAnd post glgr.txt content?-Can you name an OGLAClient version that worked Ok for you followed by one that didn't work properly?DaveS said:Problems? No, but still missing the dawn\/dusk effect. One request though: Could you add Coolhand's request from this post:http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showpost.php?p=128309&postcount=57\n\nDawn and dusk are to be done, The texture-masked lights are all but impossible, the smoothed spotlight is quite possible.Hielor said:-During load when fullscreen, the entire desktop flashes black several times\n\nDesktop or the loading screen image?Does it resemble the flashing you get with Aero+Orbiter 2006?Hielor said:-In both fullscreen and not, and the text of what is being loaded is overwritten poorly without being erased. I can't seem to get a screenshot of the loading screen.\n\nTwo distinct loading text drawing methods fighting each other, to be fixed.Hielor said:-Attempting to open an Orbiter dialog box via F3 or F4 (or whatever others) when in fullscreen usually resulted in the dialog box showing up behind Orbiter. Additionally, these dialog boxes don't have close buttons and caused the screen to flash black when opening.\n\nInteresting, sounds like something familiar - close button was missing for some separate reason and flashing are something Win7 do when mixing graphics and windows. In other words, will try to fix.Hielor said:-Z-fighting on landing pads at Brighton when viewed from a distance\n\nOnly if the shadows are on, right?Hielor said:-MFDs are partially (and badly) transparent in the glass cockpit mode, even though MFD Transparency is disabled.\n\nThere is no common and explicit transparent color or toggle in the interface, so i had to guesstimate them. To be fixed.Hielor said:-Text on MFDs looks like it's being drawn in \"outline\" mode with a slightly-different-colored border\n\nCorrect, outlines only. Some issue with text drawing i didn't finish fixing a while ago. Might be unfixable.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.35489408Z", "author": "Pilot7893", "date": "2008-05-24T18:52:42+0100", "id": "0e22395a6bebee11e2e1c40d1896593e", "post_id": "post-65256", "text": "I sucessfully landed a shuttle there in FSX", "thread_id": 1412 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.267134464Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-08-24T03:53:26+0100", "id": "dbda06fbda5fd4f200df7791921f677d", "post_id": "post-250294", "text": "See \"How to ask for help with an Orbiter issue\", items 9 & 10. You certainly haven't done item 9, and judging byyour post here, I'm guessing that you haven't done item 10 either.EDIT: BTW, just because you waited all of two hours while the majority of the Orbiter community is either asleep or busy with other things (who knows, maybe even busy trying to find a solution to your problem...) doesn't mean \"nobody has ever driven the rover.\"", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.29785984Z", "author": "craigh", "date": "2010-04-19T22:53:00+0100", "id": "3d1221f5e7b235fe1c080101197c6e2a", "post_id": "post-218049", "text": "I started toying with one in AutoCAD and ran into problems.The first one being that there aren't many reference images, I also have a couple of the books printed for the movie. There's a couple film sponsored and\/or endorsed web sites with dimensions and made up factoids on the ships. This could change shortly when the DVD\/Blu-ray comes out and people do screen captures.The second would be controlling the poly-count. There's an insane level of detail on the digital movie model.Doing a ship that resembles the ISV but far less complex...that's something to think about!The best bet would be to get several people to team up on the ship. Someone who's great with modeling, someone who can texture extremely well, coders for the custom DLL's, etc. This could be a very cool add-on especially if it is UMMU and UCGO compatable. There's all sorts of cargo containers outside and forward of the shuttle area, an arm or two, some airlocks, folding bits....The rest of us can sit back till whatever Tuesday gets chosen for the beta release.CraigH", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.515351296Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2008-05-15T06:33:52+0100", "id": "eb5bd9b133fbde7e01b7b996e69f207a", "post_id": "post-65274", "text": "James.Denholm said:Voted... against.Kidding.\n\nloser:pKidding :rofl:", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.18646784Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-09-12T14:50:25+0100", "id": "d4453c66d39075793b6b9a1b2848b265", "post_id": "post-250281", "text": "JPL: \"Caught in the Act: Fireballs Light up Jupiter\".Amateur astronomers working with professional astronomers have spotted two fireballs lighting up Jupiter's atmosphere this summer, marking the first time Earth-based telescopes have captured relatively small objects burning up in the atmosphere of the giant planet. The two fireballs \u2013 which produced bright freckles on Jupiter that were visible through backyard telescopes \u2013 occurred on June 3, 2010, and August 20, 2010, respectively.A new paper that includes both pros and amateurs, led by Ricardo Hueso of the Universidad del Pa\u00eds Vasco, Bilbao, Spain, appears today in the Astrophysical Journal Letters. In the paper, astronomers estimate the object that caused the June 3 fireball was 8 to 13 meters (30 to 40 feet) in diameter. The object is comparable in size to the asteroid 2010 RF12 that flew by Earth on Wednesday, Sept. 8, and slightly larger than the asteroid 2008 TC3, which burned up above Sudan two years ago.An impact of this kind on Earth would not be expected to cause damage on the ground. The energy released by the June 3 fireball as it collided with Jupiter's atmosphere was five to 10 times less than the 1908 Tunguska event on Earth, which knocked over tens of millions of trees in a remote part of Russia. Analysis is continuing on the Aug. 20 fireball, but scientists said it was comparable to the June 3 object.\"Jupiter is a big gravitational vacuum cleaner,\" said Glenn Orton, a co-author on the paper and an astronomer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. \"It is clear now that relatively small objects, remnants of the formation of the solar system 4.5 billion years ago, still hit Jupiter frequently. Scientists are trying to figure out just how frequently.\"Orton and colleagues said this kind of discovery couldn't have been made without amateur astronomers around the world, whose observations of Jupiter provide a near round-the-clock surveillance that would be impossible to do with the long lines of scientists waiting to use the large telescopes. Amateur astronomers, for example, were the first to see the dark spot that appeared on Jupiter in July 2009 as the result of an impact. Professional astronomers are still analyzing that impact.Anthony Wesley, an amateur astronomer from Murrumbateman, Australia, who was also the first to take a picture of that dark spot on Jupiter in July 2009, was the first to see the tiny flash on June 3. Amateur astronomers had their telescopes trained on Jupiter that day because they were in the middle of \"Jupiter season,\" when the planet is high in the sky and at its largest size, as seen by backyard telescopes.Wesley was visiting an amateur astronomer friend about 1,000 kilometers (600 miles) away in Broken Hill, and he set a digital video camera to record images from his telescope at about 60 frames per second. He was watching the live video on a computer screen at his friend's house when he saw a two-and-a-half-second-long flash of light near the limb of the planet.\"It was clear to me straight away it had to be an event on Jupiter,\" he said. \"I'm used to seeing other momentary flashes in the camera from cosmic ray impacts, but this was different. Cosmic ray strikes last only for one frame of video, whereas this flash gradually brightened and then faded over 133 frames.\"Wesley sent a message out on his e-mail list of amateur and professional astronomers, which included Orton. After receiving Wesley's e-mail, Christopher Go of Cebu, Philippines -- who like Wesley, is an amateur astronomer -- checked his own recordings and confirmed that he had seen a flash, too.Before Wesley's work, scientists didn't know these small-size impacts could be observed, Hueso explained. \"The discovery of optical flashes produced by objects of this size helps scientists understand how many of these objects are out there and the role they played in the formation of our solar system,\" Hueso said.For three days afterward, Hueso and colleagues looked for signs of the impact in high-resolution images from larger telescopes: NASA's Hubble Space Telescope, Gemini Observatory telescopes in Hawaii and Chile, the Keck telescope in Hawaii, the NASA Infrared Telescope Facility in Hawaii and the European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope in Chile. Scientists analyzed the images for thermal disruptions and chemical signatures seen in previous images of Jupiter impacts. In this case, they saw no signs of debris, which allowed them to limit the size of the impactor.Based on all these images, and particularly those obtained by Wesley and Go, the astronomers were able to confirm the flash came from some kind of object \u2013 probably a small comet or asteroid \u2013 that burned up in Jupiter's atmosphere. The impactor likely had a mass of about 500 to 2,000 metric tons (1 million to 4 million pounds), probably about 100,000 times less massive than the object in July 2009.Calculations also estimated this June 3 impact released about 1 to 4 quadrillion joules (300 million to 1 billion watt-hours) of energy. The second fireball, on Aug. 20, was detected by the amateur Japanese astronomer Masayuki Tachikawa and later confirmed by Aoki Kazuo and Masayuki Ishimaru. It flashed for about 1.5 seconds. The Keck telescope, observing less than a day later, also found no subsequent debris remnants. Scientists are still analyzing this second flash.Although collisions of this size had never before been detected on Jupiter, some previous models predicted around one collision of this kind a year. Another predicted up to 100 such collisions. Scientists now believe the frequency must be closer to the high end of the scale.\"It is interesting to note that whereas Earth gets smacked by a 10-meter-sized object about every 10 years on average, it looks as though Jupiter gets hit with the same-sized object a few times each month,\" said Don Yeomans, manager of the Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL, who was not involved in the paper. \"The Jupiter impact rate is still being refined and studies like this one help to do just that.\"", "thread_id": 16187 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.307053056Z", "author": "River Crab", "date": "2011-04-17T01:44:06+0100", "id": "f006f19a3a7ea6852d38116d728b8099", "post_id": "post-218122", "text": "Well, I think I know what you mean; the shields in the rear are to protect the crew, engines, etc. from getting lasered when the ship is being thrusted away from Sol with its light sail. The sail is jettisoned before encounter to save \u0394V. You can see the mast where it once was still attached.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.73184512Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-15T05:05:00+0100", "id": "4ea6b2068d77597849206a23f2cdbd75", "post_id": "post-222191", "text": "PHILADELPHIA FLYERS MAKE HISTORY!!!!!They came back from a 3-0 deficit to win against the Bruins in game 7, and they came back in game 7 from a 3-0 deficit to finish with a final score of 4-3! Orange and black FTW!Bring on the Habs!", "thread_id": 14162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.363658752Z", "author": "apollo13", "date": "2007-12-24T19:36:32+0000", "id": "d942a882cb0bf2c7ff0076d5278d1a3a", "post_id": "post-12897", "text": "With the launch date for STS-122 still anywhere between January 10 and March, Atlantis' younger sister, Endeavour, has seen processing milestones for her mission, STS-123, remain under evaluation.Following a slight hiccup in her processing flow,with a leaking Main Landing Gear (MLG) strut, which required engineers to changeout the seals inside the gear, Endeavour is to all intents and purposes ready for rollover to the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB). That, of course, is on hold, pending the reviewed launch date for Atlantis\/STS-122.'Completed aft structure leak checks. Also working troubleshooting on Shuttle Orbiter Repackaged Galley (SORG); there's a potential tank R&R that would occur after holidays. Retracting gear, doing step and gap, and performing landing gear functionals after holidays,' noted processing information.'Tank and booster activities - Continuing with closeouts on system tunnels. Moved ET\/SRB mate date to no earlier than January 2.'Not much work planned over the holidays. When they get back, they will be able to go into the OTS (Orbiter Transporter System) operations, weight and C.G. (Center of Gravity), etc. Will try to get into a position to roll out on January 8, which is a day earlier than originally planned.'Want to try to get to a point where they are not in competition with launch (STS-122) on January 10, 2008 (No Earlier Than). If they can get over on January 8 they will be able to secure vehicles by January 10 and not have any interruption of operations. Plan on having about 60 people working through the holidays on the ET, and will take the two days off that have been outlined.'While STS-122's launch date remains fluid, managers are continuing to plan ahead with the upcoming flights, to ensure they are in a strong posture in the event Atlantis manages to launch in January.'Started looking at FRR (Flight Readiness Review) for STS-123. It looks like the Level 1 FRR will be on February 8, 2008, per Mr. Gerstenmaier's request,' added the Stand-up. 'Will look at doing the Program FRR the week before, depending on where we get on STS-122.", "thread_id": 162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.475847936Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-04-25T22:14:59+0100", "id": "d795581a718b95cb55de0448b88a4452", "post_id": "post-218365", "text": "Thanks a ton...your speeding me on my way to orbit with the shuttle:)", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.074029312Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2011-04-19T06:44:11+0100", "id": "415be240f7d58d8d6ce530fa2db31a34", "post_id": "post-221383", "text": "The HERO payload was finally launched today:NASA keeps latest balloon launch under wrapsIt is an X-ray astronomy exercise that will look at the centre of the Milky Way from about 40 kilometres above Earth.Mr Sood says the multi-million-dollar experimental balloon will track towards Longreach in Queensland and remain aloft for about 24 hours.Mr Sood says the launch details were kept a secret because of the accident last year.\"This is why most people wouldn't have heard about it,'' he said.\"It was a deliberate policy this time round to discourage spectators from attending because we wanted to emphasise the safety aspects of the launch.\n\nLive GPS tracking is available here:http:\/\/www.csbf.nasa.gov\/map\/psnconvGps617N.htm", "thread_id": 14099 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.91405184Z", "author": "donatelo200", "date": "2010-09-03T23:06:49+0100", "id": "dc62de186c9ed18e936cba1affa13331", "post_id": "post-249858", "text": "Alot of damages.747 DGIVs utterly anialated234 From bad reentry (I'm not good at it)189 From Falling into gass giants27 From a Fat Man (it was funny to see it fly apart)68 From doing flips4 From Crashing headlong into a star (woops)224 From just getting lost in interplanetary travel. (bad at that to)1 From a black hole i place on a colision coars with Earth79 UMmu's killed28 Skydiving from 200,000 ft and forgetting to pull the chute3 From a Fat Man6 From Slaming into an atmosphere2 From Falling into stars40 From Getting left in space", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.54038016Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-04-20T19:51:50+0100", "id": "f08930195b75ef7964495cdd4a848312", "post_id": "post-218498", "text": "Hielor said:The point was that Doppler shifts can result in what started as UV or IR being shiftedintothe visible spectrum...\n\nYou've got point - my mistake. From that Artlav will need a wider starting palette that involves both UV and IR. I don't know is it possible in current version of this raytracer.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.193550848Z", "author": "Eagle", "date": "2010-05-06T00:14:16+0100", "id": "42fd2239ca66fc6de5738da489b28f8f", "post_id": "post-221494", "text": "Izack said:It would appear that Vista users cannot play this. I get an error message upon launch and the whole affair crashes. I looked at the forums and it seems that it is impossible to fix.Can any other Vista users here confirm this?(http:\/\/www.mektek.net\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=156473)\n\n:\/Sorry to hear of your bad luck. My cousin is playing with Vista, so not all Vista users are affected. Aside from \"Run under administrator mode\" and the usual check drivers, reinstall and manage settings I don't know what to say.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.158937856Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-11-03T19:06:55+0000", "id": "5c54827abfd869e40f7f44ef01356676", "post_id": "post-250144", "text": "All HTV-2 components have been integrated together! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.759696128Z", "author": "Linguofreak", "date": "2010-04-16T00:45:09+0100", "id": "71e5743b95b6ba8d75aaf46816f1d643", "post_id": "post-217669", "text": "It all depends what the subject is and what kind of quality I need.For personal reading, it's generally good enough.For an academic paper, it can be helpful for finding sources, but isn't trustworthy enough. Once or twice I think I've had a teacher actually tell the class to look at something on Wikipedia, but not often.For anything horribly controversial, it's not trustworthy.", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.201745664Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2015-04-06T21:31:07+0100", "id": "ca314a2d735d690be380f2755eacd65c", "post_id": "post-221515", "text": "After watching a few episodes, the shows premise and especially the execution of said premise is way too over the top for me to take seriously.It's still a fun watch for me, because I find it hilarious to watch the writers write themselves into one very uncomfortable corner after another and move on as if nothing had happened.... it's a special kind of comedy, really.", "thread_id": 14106 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.359378432Z", "author": "Wonderer", "date": "2010-08-24T19:04:39+0100", "id": "a3447af3cce9abba2f4c29d80233720a", "post_id": "post-250452", "text": "Well you could use lolamfd and watch it in action.", "thread_id": 16198 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.865159168Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-07-03T17:36:46+0100", "id": "cbcaecd8b8c4148c4b56dfb7235669cf", "post_id": "post-217771", "text": "Castorp, thanks for your input and your mesh looks awesome however changing the meshes at this point would require a lot of redoing of stuff and while your mesh is probably better than mine, It would take a significant amount of time to implement the necessary changes to both it and the addon in general so I think I'll stick with my meshes. But thanks anyway!", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.415738112Z", "author": "Lupin_Yonder", "date": "2010-05-06T13:22:18+0100", "id": "2c50ff9e9e982bfd129f6b36019584d0", "post_id": "post-221768", "text": "Ah, thank you Wally for your reply. I do then have one more question.The reason I was using the beta 2009 orbiter was because the Hud is no longer working for me in the 2006 version.Any ideas about that ?I should also mention I am running windows 7", "thread_id": 14127 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.099735808Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-24T07:05:31+0100", "id": "efb1e8975e3d1c55394aba4d11b9c743", "post_id": "post-250100", "text": "computerex said:#1 - I didn't refer to the western civilization as \"barbaric\".\n\ncomputerex said:It is the western world that is barbaric and animal like. I hope to dear god that someday by some miracle westerners will learn to read a book.\n\nFor the purpose of pointing out how simple it is to prove that point when it was posted not 1000 px up on the same page, and only that purpose.I stand by my earlier comment.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.893648128Z", "author": "Yoda", "date": "2011-02-03T15:17:48+0000", "id": "61c0c44c09d40a787c3ca402dd5a87b5", "post_id": "post-217858", "text": "Dumb question, but why can't they leave one of the ATV's docked to the ISS to provide the station with more storage facility etc.Seems like a waste of some perfectly good storage space to let it burn in the atmosphere every time.Understandibly they'd have to reinforce the walls of the space=-craft some but if it already stays on facility for 3 months how hard could it be to convert it and use it as storage ???", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.427777792Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-06T18:14:51+0100", "id": "801e0759edce1ff4191a51c8456d52a1", "post_id": "post-221796", "text": "ar81 said:For me it is a shame, because it causesself exclusionof women from a technologically based economy. In terms of education, refusing like she does exposes her to some degree of technological illiteracy.\n\nThis is so sad and so true.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.603200768Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-08-28T19:04:53+0100", "id": "432b76c71f631849832cb06c9feb092d", "post_id": "post-250999", "text": "cinder1992 said:oh dear:probe:, don't get me started. their Irish translator is space-junk. I would know.\n\nIt cant even say leithreas right :lol:", "thread_id": 16252 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.894362368Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-02-07T14:03:43+0000", "id": "f2ca966b4d6374734962979eaac0685b", "post_id": "post-217863", "text": "I think it's a good time now to post alink to calendar eventcontaining a timer for the launch of Ariane 5 carrying ATV-2.You canrequest a reminderfor this event, which will be sent via e-mail on a set time before the event.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.630352896Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-06-08T01:41:23+0100", "id": "40aa332ca7c1502ad8f577c5ceeefda9", "post_id": "post-222094", "text": "NOTE:The new XR versions have gone gold along with Orbiter 2010; more informationhere.As such, the XR Release Candidates have been superseded and have been pulled from my site. Thread locked. :tiphat:", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.16631168Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-28T14:58:13+0000", "id": "78cf4446065200418ce22585328edc8e", "post_id": "post-250204", "text": "A view inside the PLC! The new Kobairo rack can be seen in the forward rack bay on the right!:)", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.39643648Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-04-17T21:24:52+0100", "id": "bdb7846cea0ab7caa0f3d10d9a72ad7c", "post_id": "post-218179", "text": "Spacecraft2? Man what addon are you running? Up to date versions of ships are Spacecraft3.dll.", "thread_id": 13900 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.834132992Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-12-01T19:31:33+0000", "id": "6339c435bdd112d09751ffe509852880", "post_id": "post-222266", "text": "NewScientist:Voyager space probes show outsiders' view of Milky Way:The twin Voyager probes are so far from the sun that they can see a kind of light from the Milky Way that we on Earth cannot. The observations could act as a Rosetta stone for understanding star formation in more distant and ancient galaxies.The veteran Voyagers, which were launched in 1977 and are slowly approaching the outer limit of the solar system, have detected a particular wavelength of light called Lyman-alpha emission coming from our home galaxy for the first time.The light is useful because it is a trace of star formation in other galaxies. Hot young stars blast their surroundings with high-energy photons, stripping electrons from hydrogen atoms. Those stripped atoms eventually find another electron and absorb it to become whole again. When they do, they can emit two kinds of photons: H-alpha and Lyman-alpha.{...}\n\nSPACE.com:Milky Way Radiation Reveals Itself to Distant NASA ProbesDiscovery News:Voyager Probes Give Us ET's View", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.172190976Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-03-11T22:02:19+0000", "id": "045304142de981ebb97c4214e36c92cb", "post_id": "post-250249", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 11\/03\/2011.CDR Scott Kelly, FE-5 Paolo Nespoli & FE-6 Cady Coleman finishing Part 2 Outfitting of the Node 2 Nadir\/HTV-2 (H-II Transfer Vehicle-2) vestibule by removing the thermal blanket and the CBM (Common Berthing Mechanism) CPAs (Controller Panel Assemblies). Cady & Paolo then also completed Part 3 of vestibule outfitting. [Part 3: Installation of the Node 2 MPLM 1553B data jumper (W6001), opening the hatch MPEV (Manual Pressure Equalization Valve) and installing the IMV (Intermodule Ventilation) supply jumper & ARS (Atmosphere Revitalization System) jumper, closing out the radial port and removing the hatch launch restraint PIP pin.]The originally scheduled HTV-2 hatch opening and crew ingress were cancelled and deferred to some later date due to this morning's severe earthquake off the coast of Japan and the closing of JAXA's SSIPC (Space Station Integration & Promotion Center) in Tsukuba, Japan. [SSIPC employees are safe but JAXA has evacuated all flight controllers and support personnel from SSIPC. The earthquake happened at about 5:50 AM GMT and resulted in hard damage at the SSIPC facilities. TSG (Tsukuba Support Group) at MCC-Houston is monitoring JPM (JEM Pressurized Module) status over at least the weekend as BCC (Backup Control Center). Everything in the JPM has been powered down except for essential hardware and the MELFI (Minus Eighty Laboratory Freezer for ISS).]", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.85971072Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-04-16T22:40:49+0100", "id": "d9794fd55fb1e8bad32dc40e6fb16c8e", "post_id": "post-217741", "text": "Urwumpe, could you post a link to Astronaut's R-7s? I can't find them anywhere.As for doing a Vostok addon first there is already a pretty good one on Orbithangar. The only modifications I would like to make to it are functional control panels which would require doing a .dll of the spacecraft. (Since I have only written a little C++ I probably don't have the expertise to implement panels anyway).I'd been planning on turning my Voskhod capsule into a .dll and using UMMU for the EVA (This is something that I have never really done). And since I'm already doing a .dll I see no reason why the spacecraft couldn't have functional panels however I'm having trouble finding info on the interior of the capsule. Does anyone know of a good site?", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.093680128Z", "author": "simonpro", "date": "2008-04-10T08:25:38+0100", "id": "e8043dcf8ceedd3c2ff855576fcbe089", "post_id": "post-12298", "text": "Can't say I have noticed the halls of science rattling. I'm usually fairly observant about my entire workplace experiencing a theoretical earthquake. Maybe I was late that day.IMO Zeno's paradox is a good example of why philosophers shouldn't be allowed near the real world. Every time someone comes up with an answer to it you get about 50 philosophers saying \"no, that's not right. that isn't how Zeno meant it.\" or \"you're missing the point\".Annoys the crap out of me.:censored:[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Lynds claims the paradoxes result from an incorrect physical assumption from long ago. From ancient times to the present, philosophers and physicists have assumed that objects in motion have determined positions at any instant in time. It's not true, Lynds says.[\/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]\"I'm surprised this hasn't been realized before,\" Lynds said, calling many aspects of his theory very simple.\n\n[\/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]He's obviously not familiar with quantum mechanics, then.[\/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]While I admire Lynd's enthusiasm I can't help but think that he has constructed a theoretical framework that I can't help but think that he doesn't really know what he is talking about. I've not read his original paper, but I have read some of his newer ones (and saw him at a conference in Boston last year) - and all his papers look like something written by an undergrad. They lack precise definitions and the entire things seem \"wordy\", which always leads me to suspect someone is trying to talk their way out of a hole.:p[\/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Anyway, his original paper was published 7 years ago, and there's not many physicists who have picked up on his work. After the initial fuss everyone seems to have gone very quiet about it.[\/FONT]", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.497663488Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-08-26T06:17:28+0100", "id": "fcf7731966c3f88248425397328b8f45", "post_id": "post-250716", "text": "Nah not related to REVIO, a space coffin. For those UMMU's who get left behind.Darren.", "thread_id": 16222 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.85977728Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-16T22:45:15+0100", "id": "0151112a533e88e8e9557ea84c6f1832", "post_id": "post-217742", "text": "Columbia42 said:Urwumpe, could you post a link to Astronaut's R-7s? I can't find them anywhere.\n\n[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=2844\"]Project R-7[\/nomedia]And C++ together with Orbiter is fairly simple, I doubt you would not be able to learn it, if you want to.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.19211648Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-05-05T03:46:58+0100", "id": "08bbf6440fa7a47430f1101247160c04", "post_id": "post-221485", "text": "Just downloaded it with MTX in about 2 hours. Installing now.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.509011968Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-08-27T01:34:20+0100", "id": "4c0cf1495314561ed0dc3a36925e4525", "post_id": "post-250748", "text": "Hello! If you got any question for addon developing, just feel free to ask.", "thread_id": 16224 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.91693184Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-17T20:27:12+0000", "id": "9a3d07714880b50cc9a1bd5340386d9d", "post_id": "post-217903", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 17\/02\/2011.FE-1 Alexander Kaleri & FE-5 Paolo Nespoli conducted a one-hour OBT (On Board Training) exercise simulating ATV-2 (Automated Transfer Vehicle-2) rendezvous & docking, including subsequent downlinking of the resulting simulation log files. A debrief tagup with ground specialists followed at ~5:45 PM GMT. [OBT objectives: Practice crew actions in the event of an off-nominal situation while monitoring rendezvous and docking, refresh rendezvous and docking monitoring skills, and practice crew interaction during rendezvous and docking monitoring.]Launch of ATV Johannes Kepler:Last evening (16\/02), at Europe's Spaceport in Kourou, French Guiana an Ariane 5 launch vehicle carrying \"Johannes Kepler\", ESA's second ATV (Automated Transfer Vehicle), lifted off flawlessly at 9:50 PM GMT (6:50 PM local). About 64 minutes into flight, ATV-2 separated safely from the spent upper stage and then deployed its four solar wings, beginning early orbit operations for its climb to the ISS, adjusting its orbit with numerous thruster burns to rendezvous with the station for docking on Thursday, 24\/02 (3:46 PM GMT). Weighing about 20 tons at launch, the unmanned supply ship will deliver critical supplies to the ISS (1600 kg dry cargo, 100 kg oxygen & 850 kg ISS refuel propellants propellant, plus 4534 kg propellant for reboost & attitude control). It will also reboost the station during its almost four-month mission. This launch marks the 200th flight of an Ariane vehicle since the debut of 24\/12\/1979. The total includes 11 flights of Ariane 1, 6 flights of Ariane 2, 11 flights of Ariane 3, 116 flights of Ariane 4 (from 1988 to 2003) and 56 flights of Ariane 5 (from 1996). Integration for the next ATV in line, named \"Edoardo Amaldi\", will be finished in Europe in August 2011, and production is under way for ATV-4 and -5. \"Edoardo Amaldi\" is planned for launch in about 12 months. The other two will follow by 2014. After \"Johannes Kepler's\" docking on 24\/02, ISS will for the first time have all logistics vehicles of the international partnership docked at the same time: the US Shuttle, one Russian Progress cargo ship, two Russian Soyuz spacecraft, Japan's HTV, and Europe's ATV, truly a moment of historic significance.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.201156352Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-04T03:47:20+0100", "id": "19744d6d259ebc4e4243903f3f4dd06b", "post_id": "post-221509", "text": "Well, I also cringed at the opening for Planetes when they showed a Gemini and called it a Mercury. Every anime has at least a few cringe moments, and yet are still great.Thanks in return for showing me this one; I may look into it. :tiphat:", "thread_id": 14106 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.628096256Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-08-28T19:13:26+0100", "id": "77b2a144d565496536893976c11d43cf", "post_id": "post-251046", "text": "sounds a lot like you aren't unzipping them to the right locations. What zip software are you using?", "thread_id": 16258 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.197110272Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2008-06-19T22:18:08+0100", "id": "ae869b325366c774d31a7f8a108d10e8", "post_id": "post-65099", "text": "Try this tool to diagnose your installation.[ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3201\"]Orbiter diagnostic V0.2[\/ame]Post the results of the diagnostic here, so we could help you.", "thread_id": 1389 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.308315136Z", "author": "emin2004", "date": "2020-07-08T10:38:12+0100", "id": "37cb43f10a90bdb96ad5da169386e004", "post_id": "post-221611", "text": "forward to 2017 and your wish of the airless tire has been granted", "thread_id": 14112 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.901426944Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-08-23T00:57:53+0100", "id": "b22a3db3d36b74ccb40b8ebe85a05f6e", "post_id": "post-249833", "text": "Can it be you actually wanted to divide at this point?Code:[FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New]ctrl =([\/FONT][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#0000ff]int[\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][\/COLOR][\/FONT][FONT=Courier New][FONT=Courier New])(p.x*262.0f);[\/FONT]\n[\/FONT]EDIT:No... you need to multiply at this point, so the rest of the mess works. Too complex and not elegant. Essentially you scale up to texture coordinates, filter out the empty spaces between the buttons and THEN select the new NavMode by the index of the button. In theory it works, in praxis, it can fail a lot. I'd use three tables. MIN_X, MAX_X and NAVMODE. if p.x is between MIN_X and MAX_X, toggle NavMode and return...", "thread_id": 16169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.305828096Z", "author": "liber", "date": "2011-04-17T00:37:57+0100", "id": "f4451beb6de14949a76bc1f013b718d0", "post_id": "post-218112", "text": "Why can't they just get along?", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.519823104Z", "author": "zeldafan156", "date": "2010-05-06T21:45:55+0100", "id": "a95fdef87d58067c7129e6743fd25613", "post_id": "post-221867", "text": "its called aELITEGROUP 945GCT-M3 3.1and i cant seem to find any info on the processors it takes. help would be nice thanks.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif][\/FONT]", "thread_id": 14141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.943324416Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-22T22:02:03+0100", "id": "94deac24631f8d80886dbb9c392a786f", "post_id": "post-249965", "text": "Wishbone said:There were scores of studies on space warfare from the 1950s onward, at RAND and elsewhere... Probably dozens of simulators, too.\n\nYes, but such studies had been different to what he likely expects. I would have no problem with a 1960s nuclear war simulation...;)", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.580119808Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-05-19T00:51:26+0100", "id": "a7dab4d61d3406ed2cdcc5dc451a983d", "post_id": "post-218596", "text": "Just a quick progress update.The Slingshot section has been corrected for errors and expanded. A more concise flight recording focuses on the only part of the flight that's different - setting up secondary transfers using Target Intercept and Slingshot. The expanded manual section gives tips on planning a slingshot, something IMFD is not well suited to.The section on Target Offsetting in Target Intercept is corrected, and covered in more detail. Included annotated flight recording details setting up a free return lunar trajectory using Target Offsetting.Hypothetic Delta-V gets covered much better, and includes an annotated recording of a trip from ISS to Brighton Beach using Hypothetic Delta-V to make an off-plane transfer and tune the base approach.Lastly, Advanced Concepts includes a detailed manual section and annotated flight recording of a trip from Cape Canaveral to Titan (at the PreludeII base if you have it installed). Utilizing the lessons learned in Slingshot, Target Offsetting, and Hypothetic Delta-V, we use only about 30 seconds of fuel after ejection from Earth, including the plane change enroute to Jupiter. We arrive at Titan for aerocapture and unpowered atmospheric landing with 34.5% fuel remaining.Wheelstop at Titan:I apologize for the delays in getting this done, but rest assured that Mark and I are still hard at work, and nearing completion.Tommy", "thread_id": 13934 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.176860672Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-05-04T08:09:35+0100", "id": "a2087d05dc198a5f5ed4d9e431f70f78", "post_id": "post-221443", "text": "I also saw the second pass from my bedroom window. I tried binoculars, but there was no shape to it.I remember seeing it with the naked eye years ago (or maybe that was the Mir) and its size made it appear very dim by today's standard.I will look again during STS-132.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.436228352Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-25T07:38:15+0100", "id": "2a0f3555da1db32a69d1d8a478a35669", "post_id": "post-250528", "text": "I searched for ten minutes and didn't find one, was there a specific thread you were talking about?", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.710928896Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-17T06:17:50+0100", "id": "a6b0dc54c0536b287aa76a457870f3a6", "post_id": "post-217619", "text": "Core i7 920 @ stock 2.6GHzGeForce GTX 9800 GTS+Win7 64-bitAll options enabledWas playing around with the Moon @ brighton beach scenario.Overall looks good. Framerate was around 35fps the whole time.Issues:-During load when fullscreen, the entire desktop flashes black several times-In both fullscreen and not, and the text of what is being loaded is overwritten poorly without being erased. I can't seem to get a screenshot of the loading screen.-Attempting to open an Orbiter dialog box via F3 or F4 (or whatever others) when in fullscreen usually resulted in the dialog box showing up behind Orbiter. Additionally, these dialog boxes don't have close buttons and caused the screen to flash black when opening.-Z-fighting on landing pads at Brighton when viewed from a distance-MFDs are partially (and badly) transparent in the glass cockpit mode, even though MFD Transparency is disabled.-Text on MFDs looks like it's being drawn in \"outline\" mode with a slightly-different-colored border", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.234816768Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-05-04T22:10:33+0100", "id": "fa5fffbaa3b71ece81b13e9c4201bed6", "post_id": "post-221546", "text": "Luckily not me and my circle of friends :thumbup:\n\nI concur with you... I absolutely refuse to even visit Facebook.And I too do not wish to own a cellphone. Not because I can't text, or the microwaves will fry my brain, but just because the damn thing goes everywhere and rings at the most annoying moments.I'm annoyed as it is by landlines. :lol:", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.436461568Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-25T07:45:30+0100", "id": "bbc345f9f99f548481b07f90f39c7556", "post_id": "post-250530", "text": "I keep spending my money on silly things like children instead. ><", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.564806144Z", "author": "Silvercn", "date": "2008-05-10T20:32:49+0100", "id": "94546e3049828be0a8d96ac2d1226663", "post_id": "post-65127", "text": "Okay my Situation is now this.Now i just only wait for 13.52k?But it still looking iam lower than the ISS how can i fix that only to move my DTmin and RInc?", "thread_id": 1393 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.818385408Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-05-02T10:19:23+0100", "id": "15845f6bbea1080f07f22b8175141acb", "post_id": "post-221233", "text": "I've had the same email and it's an exe inside a zip. What scares me most about this is that ISPs are still allowing the sending of .exe files.Oh and a PDF can also contain malicious code. Adobe have had their fair share of security vulnerbilities as well.One final thing - why would UPS send an email when they already have your address? I mean they tried to deliver something so why would they go all the way back to the depot then fill out an email?But then I'm generally suspicious.", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.603930112Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-29T09:28:09+0100", "id": "4806d387be4f1dc3494959fa72b827b0", "post_id": "post-251005", "text": "You know, you can say all stuff about google translator... but I wish the tourism agency in Travnik would have used it to translate the text of their brochures. Seriously, NO autotranslator can do such a terrible job at it as the one that translated that text into german. Half the words he used don't even exist!As for funny google translator mistakes, most I've seen were a bit back in the day from english to german, computer related articles... it had the habit of translating EVERY SINGLE WORD literally into german. ever thought about what \"Microsoft\", \"Powerpoint\" or a \"floppy disc drive\" mean literally? :lol:And that auto summarize thing? Heck, if a man wrote those summaries it would easily qualify for dadaistic poetry, and I'd even find them cool! (ok, I still find them cool. Especially Tom Sawyer was a real treat).", "thread_id": 16252 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.762344448Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-04-19T08:42:58+0100", "id": "54bb767818c7388d3916a90b875a14a5", "post_id": "post-217687", "text": "doggie015 said:http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/story\/0,2933,257340,00.htmlEnough said...\n\nBut that's Fox News, it's just as inaccurate.:p", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.16144896Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-03T17:55:29+0100", "id": "e5fbf7cd53ad8b10a093e2f572843f22", "post_id": "post-221415", "text": "Nothing badly wrong on a quick read, sounds like a useful guide.Although, i just use an old PC in a shoe box to play these cool DOS games.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.645313536Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-08-29T05:35:20+0100", "id": "ce19a8a95d2a36446de69d7ac2c3cead", "post_id": "post-251075", "text": "Pleased to meet you, Sonia :tiphat:", "thread_id": 16261 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.191415552Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-05-04T00:34:19+0100", "id": "4bb7760ae2d0850148e002616c1b3ed6", "post_id": "post-221479", "text": "Oh my god I used to love that game.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.841107712Z", "author": "cymrych", "date": "2010-04-22T17:55:34+0100", "id": "dd6695fd69290bc90029e5f2ef3db6e2", "post_id": "post-217727", "text": "Columbia42, as always, great work!Even with Constellation dead in the water, I still love this vehicle. True, Ares V might have been a money pit, beaurocratically compromised to mediocrity like the shuttle before her ... but dang it, there's something just plain exhilarating about a huge rocket lifting off! (Freudian commentary not necessary, lol!) I am sad to see her destined to remain a paper-rocket only.On a side note, I am *slowly* working on a mock-up of a Triton NTR powered TMI stage (and associated modules\/landers\/etc.) to replicate the Mars DRM 5.0 plan for the Ares family. I'm not anywhere close to a Beta version yet, but will let you know when I am. Afterall, the TMI will be launched on your Ares V, so it might be fitting to eventually include it in your Ares V zip directly rather than as a stand-alone add-on.", "thread_id": 13877 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.945904128Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-23T09:22:57+0100", "id": "54a375bdab308742096010bc3f136dc3", "post_id": "post-249977", "text": "StevoPistolero said:Well, if there was decent multiplayer, I could always intercept some unsuspecting target and go \"ack ack ack!\"\n\nYes, that is what I predicted before. So, people like me would be needed to just lurk around in a menacing stealth battle-cruiser and wait for newbie-hunters like you to go Jethro Gibbs on you.It doesn't fit well to the technological liberalism of Orbiter.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.301286912Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2011-04-15T15:46:02+0100", "id": "dbf699030e26c02e6738e2f97d5b4780", "post_id": "post-218077", "text": "T.Neo said:The original scriptment was far better in that respect, but it would have also made for something like an 11 hour film...\n\nFantastic! It's been far too long since an insanely long awesome movie was made.Of course, to be decent would have required someone else assisting with the writing, and at least partially scrapping the James Cameron's Childhood Dream\u2122 idea.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.359012352Z", "author": "jarmonik", "date": "2010-05-05T19:17:36+0100", "id": "f0567bb74600297f17daf522d1db5b89", "post_id": "post-221727", "text": "As far as I can tell there is no alternative method to replace a numerical integration in a multibody system. Also the orbital energy of a single object in a multibody system isn't constant. Of course, the energy of the whole system is constant.I suppose you have a point in constant energy. It can be used to improve a longterm stability of numerical integrations. There is a special group of symplectic integrators those are designed to do this.", "thread_id": 14121 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.098905856Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-08-24T06:16:14+0100", "id": "499fb940b8097737d6098f2e86a158f6", "post_id": "post-250092", "text": "Xyon said:You need relatives local to have entertainment? I keep myself entertained just fine without, personally.\n\nWe had at least one family over to our house whenever we were there, the rest of the time we spent in someone else's house:pVery social society, and hospitable. For instance, even though we hardly had any money, we'd always arrange some so that the guests could have something decent to eat. The children had strict guidelines, to not eat anything that is present in small quantity, or to not eat anything until the guests have gone. It is because of this we have a concept of \"Takaluf\", that is where if you go to someone's house, and they offer you something, you don't accept it until they insist to the point where they are physically shoving the thing down your throat.---------- Post added at 01:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:15 AM ----------Ghostrider said:Ah, yes. The 'orrible, 'orrible West... That however managed to develop the vast majority of innovations that improved human existence. And the ignorant West that manages to produce most of the culture around.\n\nRead your history. It is the east that formed the foundation upon which the west built upon.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.530318592Z", "author": "vonneuman", "date": "2010-04-19T22:45:56+0100", "id": "8f6fc21a901c8ead3f91503923b29b51", "post_id": "post-218458", "text": "The plane is faster thoughPlus trains have a bad reputation in the US. The only time we hear about trains on the news is when someone has been killed by a train. Just a couple of days ago some lady was killed when she tried to beat a train and cross the tracks when that train was coming. Stories like that are so common all we think about when you think of trains it that. As children growing up we are warned about how dangerous trains are. I have several coloring books from when I was a kid that talk about how dangerous trains are and that doing any thing by the train tracks is dangerous.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.50500736Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-05-06T20:08:14+0100", "id": "f4da6d519990c38225faf71cddb9fb1c", "post_id": "post-221860", "text": "Hello, i am trying to figure out where to look to find launch windows to the planets not to the moon or to a orbiting satelite(i can find those fairly easily) but i cant find anywhere for a launch window for missions to the outer planets such as uranus so any help? thanks", "thread_id": 14139 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.166447616Z", "author": "Donamy", "date": "2011-01-28T15:43:09+0000", "id": "eed4b9884f755feac1cd454c759f4951", "post_id": "post-250205", "text": "Here's one they missed.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.551311872Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-04-20T04:31:29+0100", "id": "25dca03e3a466833612b3a5b603febcc", "post_id": "post-218538", "text": "beer!", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.54508288Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-08T13:20:50+0100", "id": "6a551319e5cecba28e697aa2f669941f", "post_id": "post-222055", "text": "eveningsky339 said:...And somewhere in the world, a budding programmer lost his job.\n\nad was hired by those who made money...:lol:", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.942240768Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-09-22T19:26:13+0100", "id": "2c20d5fb932021358c08dcb5096e4125", "post_id": "post-249956", "text": "StevoPistolero said:P.S. I want guns. They could even be completely virtual, i.e. no collission or damage model required. Just a damage counter in an MFD, and a statistical probability of kill system. When someone has an intercept vector, your ship gets sent a warning, \"you will be intercepted in 45 minutes\". Someone see the message and would then log in and take control of the ship.\n\nP.S. There are plenty of space shooters out there that already support multiplayer.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.599242752Z", "author": "EtherDragon", "date": "2010-04-22T00:24:56+0100", "id": "de64f165f2480f157d0cdd3bafab5c1b", "post_id": "post-218622", "text": "Personally, I use reference objects for my masses.If I have an interplanetary battleship that is about the size of the USS Liberty, then I might fudge a number for \"space age materials\" (say 65% of Liberty's dry mass) and throw in a bunch of fuel capacity.So, yea. Lots of research.", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.658761728Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-05-08T19:59:21+0100", "id": "70da7add03b2527c223c7ff13b9c383b", "post_id": "post-222125", "text": "Orbinaut_Pete, that is truely amazing. :speakcool:", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.09700352Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-08-23T23:32:19+0100", "id": "581e2da8cdb70817a64c59c0122ad991", "post_id": "post-250074", "text": "Ark said:I found myself agreeing with Polaski on a lot of points. The only disrespect comes from the corporate-backed gung-ho \"I'm an invincible American slaughtering countless brown people\" stuff.\n\nI'm surprised that an American would say that knowing that is not true. People develop products because it is business. No way in hell should business and politics be mixed together. People are aware that they are not invincible because they are American. Thats just a thought that some people think.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.4392576Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-04-18T12:30:03+0100", "id": "38a0fbdd1b13c23ecb4547f0d58320be", "post_id": "post-218218", "text": "Yeah! Well done, George! STICK IT TO DA MAN!:)", "thread_id": 13907 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.925392384Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-05-08T22:53:10+0100", "id": "11bf6fc72cc050c26719c9856fda1be0", "post_id": "post-221316", "text": "Artlav said:Uh, how sure are you that you set up everything right?I'm not familiar with such a failure mode of my software.\n\nI just looked through everything and verified that everything is correct for installation. The wierd thing is it was working this morning (that's when I took the no-atmosphere screen shot) then later in the day I tried to start it up and it didn't work. I didn't change anything.After it started doing that I downloaded the latest beta from your site and installed it. Now it's not even opening anything. It's just an icon and won't open a window.I'm going to delete everything including Orbiter and reinstall everything.---------- Post added at 02:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:19 PM ----------Ok, after deleting the whole Orbiter 2010 directory and reinstalling both Orbiter and OGLA. Everting is working fine so far. The atmosphere works now for me too.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.167844096Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-02T21:48:32+0000", "id": "aa11c00ce143c8a07b80c2bfeb95cb9f", "post_id": "post-250216", "text": "Here's a cooldownloadable videoof HTV-2 EP robotics ops!", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.542967808Z", "author": "Goth", "date": "2010-04-22T12:11:14+0100", "id": "ad3f9ae5cd5f2c07ea62fb4d2f8da562", "post_id": "post-218522", "text": "jedidia said:I always thought it's the other way around...??\n\nAnd if so, gravity from what is caused?:)Gravity, at least as Einstein more or less said, exists because every object, with its mass, bends the space around itself, as when you put a ball into the sea: the water move to leave the space for the ball to enter it. If another smaller ball is around, moving with a certain velocity, as it passes near the bigger ball it changes it's trajectory, starting moving around the bigger ball, because water in that point is \"bent\" from the bigger ball. Of course there is friction and stuff, the water is materia itself, etc., but it's just an example to understand.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.161261824Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-05-03T17:42:51+0100", "id": "b046b3b1f452853df901764432609a76", "post_id": "post-221414", "text": "I've never emulate an old OS, but with this 'walkthrough' it should definitely work. very clear and it's also nice that you explain every step you take:)", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.867698688Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-08-23T11:23:47+0100", "id": "6607e547e5a71dfccc4c324a043b75a6", "post_id": "post-249787", "text": "Any info on azimuth and distance to be covered by the capsule after launch? Are they going to land it at sea or at land?\n\nTarget altitude 90 000 feet, water landing and recovery by boat. Azimuth and distance are more or less random, the spacecraft has no guidance systems and is being launched in the general \"up\" direction.The flight configuration being loaded now is a \"short stack\" with the crash test dummy strapped in to the Tycho Brahe spacecraft in its current form with the completed heat shield, glass dome and aerospike. The spacecraft is attached to its own parachute module beneath it, which is mated loosely (for in-flight retro-rocket assisted separation) to the nearly identical parachute module of the booster stack which consists of a half-length oxidizer and pressurization tank assembly(newly built - thanks gypsy scrap thieves you're really helping you know)on top of the modified booster which has 4 fins with rollerons. We'll have two downlink video streams and two-way data to both booster and spaceship.With the launch we're about to perform, we expect a quite low peak altitude for the spacecraft, with only about 15 seconds of active thrust. The goal is to test and validate engine performance, telemetry and radio systems, pyros, chutes, recovery and as many aspects of the whole thing as possible.If all goes well, the plan and hope is that by next summer we should be able to fly the long stack with a full-length and fully loaded oxidizer tank (with hydrogen peroxide instead of LOX) and some Scud- or V2-like graphite or carbon-carbon steerable baffles in the exhaust stream for active guidance, and a gas-powered RCS system in the Tycho Brahe parachute module.Tycho Brahe has been found to be too small to probably ever fly with real people. For one thing, the head of our poor crash test dummy can't fit in there with his helmet on. On top of the Heat-E1 which is the first plausibly man-rated booster in our schedule, we'll need to put a \u00f8800mm spacecraft instead of the current \u00f8640mm design. It'll still only support a nearly vertical crew posture but hopefully slightly less so. Everything we learn from flying Tycho Brahe will go into building the real man-rated spacecraft.\n\n", "thread_id": 16165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.882968832Z", "author": "Gothmog", "date": "2010-05-12T08:14:25+0100", "id": "7947469335ba20dc1fddc7bdfc058157", "post_id": "post-217823", "text": "In my opinion it's always worthwhile. If you're a developer, in tech support, whatever, troubleshooting a particular add-on parallels things that often happen on the job. As for developing your own add-ons, which I have yet to do, the skill-building character of that should speak for itself.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.33948928Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-05-05T06:51:09+0100", "id": "3ed9210d36cac84ebb0779ec53750b3a", "post_id": "post-221665", "text": "why the heck would you want to prove that??.........hahah ok with that out of the way, are you trying to figure something out and are not sure if it can be proven or not,ORhave you been told that it can be proven->as in an acedemic problem to test your proving ability?YOUR NOT CHEATING ARE YOU???:lol:", "thread_id": 14117 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.891379456Z", "author": "OrbiterShuttle", "date": "2010-08-22T23:37:11+0100", "id": "61cf3b05e5eff6e315d4081352104f85", "post_id": "post-249820", "text": "Hi, and I am new to Orbiter (even though I have used Orbiter for a while, that still means I am a rookie to Orbiter).I woud like to say I recently joined Orbiter Forum in about 10 days ago, I'm guessing. And I like Orbiter because of its law of physics (Realistic gravity, and re-entry flames and pressurized athomsphere, but I may spell a bit wrong so sorry!). So hi everyone of Orbiter-forum.com:)", "thread_id": 16167 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.304749056Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2011-04-16T23:49:55+0100", "id": "aab7a8afd0f4e45742c4d44f1cd15ff6", "post_id": "post-218104", "text": "Go refuel your ship, fly out to the nearest asteroid belt, and pick yourself out something in the 500 meter size class to drop on the Smurf's shiny tree at about 15 km\/s. Let's see their bows and arrows stop that!\n\nGood luck guiding it directly to that target. :lol:It'd be bad if it hit your base instead...:pIt was a joke? Most of here are aware they're banned by law. But then again we dont know if they are still in effect. BTW, who says they had to go back? Did you check the cargo manifests? Cuz I didn't, but you don't know whats there.\n\nWe know it's still in effect because the ancillary material says so (apparently).They wouldn't have a nuke in the system because there wouldn't be any need for a nuke in the system. And to ship something there would take 7 years due to transit time- more counting the time needed to rely back to Earth (though they use oogie-boogie superluminal communications, the bit-rate is very, very low so it would be a pain to send a very complex message).", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.384139264Z", "author": "ex-orbinaut", "date": "2010-05-06T02:33:48+0100", "id": "8c49abd3a4f484d613e1cff64212a99d", "post_id": "post-221754", "text": "Oh well, I had just come back to suggest you try debug to see if your texture handle wasn't returning NULL. Anyway, hope you get it sorted now.All the best.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14124 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.920214016Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-08-23T11:13:14+0100", "id": "33e35a0bc361740b94ffd6b49c65eb13", "post_id": "post-249883", "text": "That happens in 2006 for me aswell.:(Darren", "thread_id": 16172 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.478176Z", "author": "SlashJr", "date": "2010-06-23T19:14:31+0100", "id": "b9dec46e2c0737aa146fd4c40d942ec3", "post_id": "post-218387", "text": "SiameseCat said:In V1.25, the Item entries are done through the Orbiter's keyboard. You can get the displays by clicking on the Up button in CRT MFD.\n\nBut when I click \"Up\", all I get is a single line of text that says \"000\/00:00:00\" in the top right corner of the MFD. Am i doing something wrong or is this a bug? :idk: Happens on both O2010 and 2006 for me.On a sidenote... is the SRB smoke supposed to be brown and cover up the SRB flames even when seen from the front? Sorry if i'm annoying you.. lol.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.514607616Z", "author": "Cornflake", "date": "2008-05-14T03:23:20+0100", "id": "80b3d316676804b7c212d357dab4b41d", "post_id": "post-65268", "text": "Come on, 7 votes and 3 posts on the thread? We're going to need more support than that!", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.034385664Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-09-03T18:22:08+0100", "id": "0de4249e92d683d53a507253cf9e655f", "post_id": "post-250047", "text": "DarkEnergy said:I found a good site while browsing for Earth textures that may be useful for making a level 14 texture if anyone wants to try it:TrueMarbleIt has 48 total high resolution (it says 250m resolution but I think it may be more) tiles of Earth, each 21,600 x 21,600 pixels. It comes out to be 172,800 x 129,600 pixels in size all together.\n\nThat gives level 12 after rounding down, or blurred level 13 if you upscale it to 262144 x 131072 pixels. If there are 172800 pixels horizontally through equator, then resolution is about 232 meters (per pixel) there.", "thread_id": 16179 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.50799104Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-04-19T15:52:15+0100", "id": "69fb9eb9868f9f1782a6f05a7aed33e8", "post_id": "post-218432", "text": "Due to late-breaking configuration change of the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer-02, launch has slipped from July to November. Worst case projections has STS-134 with AMS-02 launching in Feb. 2011.More here in this article on the official AMS-02 website:http:\/\/www.ams02.org\/2010\/04\/ams-nasa-meeting-results\/", "thread_id": 13922 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.817692416Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T05:36:46+0100", "id": "6b51d3bfb91aefce3a20f8177801cf65", "post_id": "post-221229", "text": "I just finished finalizing my install of Win 7 andjustinstalled AVG only a few hours ago, and this ended up in my mail from[email\u00a0protected];Dear customer!We were not able to deliver the postal package you have sent on the 18th of January in time because the addressee's address is not correct.Please print out the invoice copy attached and collect the package at our department.United Parcel Service of America.\n\nthe attached file was removed and replaced by either AVG or my colleges email scanners. It said;UPS_postal_document_897.zip: A virus was detected on this attachment and could not be cleaned. The infected attachment has been deleted for your safety.\n\n1st, I never sent anything by UPS ever in my life :lol: let alone 18th of Jan.2nd, If they would send an 'invoice' it would be by PDF not by ZIP, logically.I feel sorry for the people that actually do fall victim to these malware attacks.Anyone else have some interesting spam stories?", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.607245312Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-08-28T13:44:29+0100", "id": "409fc68f25fc8bb963504be76a47c2bf", "post_id": "post-251006", "text": "Simple question:How to learn if limited fuel has been enabled?", "thread_id": 16253 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.785120256Z", "author": "weirdguy", "date": "2010-04-17T03:19:16+0100", "id": "a24fc1c761be2d4b6f83ac14f43553fc", "post_id": "post-217698", "text": "Other than an ISP of 900 for a Nuclear rocket engine, not really. I think I can guestimate the other stats myself, but the idea here is mostly that it will be fully modeled inside.I don't really plan to make the stats super accurate, just accurate enough.", "thread_id": 13874 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.339062272Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-05-05T03:50:09+0100", "id": "d782289bd38b393f7d1fdcb0dee4f3ee", "post_id": "post-221663", "text": "Can someone prove: (f'(b)+f'(a))\/2+f(a) = f(b) given |b-a| = 1 ?", "thread_id": 14117 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.91392128Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-09-03T22:32:55+0100", "id": "66c09cbcb49a15482a8881b2cd109103", "post_id": "post-249857", "text": "A bit of both. I did a smidgen of research into the value of the real vessels.", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.927766016Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-26T01:05:14+0100", "id": "9ed28ae59349b41bf1d3ce05ceec03f7", "post_id": "post-221341", "text": "When I tried to run OGLA 100511 I got CTD and an error message in the ogla.log that said5\/25\/2010-5:16:14 PM:[INIT ]:Error: Error in initgraph5\/25\/2010-5:38:35 PM:[INIT ]:OGLA v100511 (GLGR)Is this because I am running it on Orbiter 100524 (Which OGLA might not be compatible with yet) or is there some other reason?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.838375424Z", "author": "Dambuster", "date": "2010-04-17T03:22:30+0100", "id": "021482615eb2b22edfbd16af4f65cd25", "post_id": "post-217715", "text": "Woooo!!! Awesome!! Can't wait till I get home (silly volcano:p)", "thread_id": 13877 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.914641152Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-04T17:40:14+0100", "id": "36ec47d42bd2d370a07a9f96ef37bc56", "post_id": "post-249863", "text": "Here's my list:3 UCGO Arrows: $600,000 (Total)DGIV: $70,000 each (have destroyed 66)Hius Bussard Ramjet: $1,000,0006 RTF Battlestars: $100,000,000 each18 RTF Vipers: $80,000 eachRTF Manifest: $1,000,000,000RTF Venus Rising: $6,000,000, plus another $500,000 for destroying the cargo at the same time.RTF Lexx: $1,000,000,000,000 for ship, millions more for property damage1 XR2 Ravenstar: $100,000,0001 XR5 Vanguard, owned by ReFuel: $100,000,000Legal fees with the EPA for all this: Priceless.As you can tell, I am deeply in debt.", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.881875456Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-04-17T16:26:55+0100", "id": "d2b236e033ac8aeb16c526b4f7bfe2ba", "post_id": "post-217815", "text": "SiberianTiger said:I just don't really have time to do anything with a computer which can't be paralleled with a work.\n\nSame here. I have many things I would love to take the time and learn to do. Like a full Apollo mission in AMSO, then in NASSP. I'd also love to have time to take the UCGO Arrow on a complete mission to one of the outer planets and back, say to the moon.I was heavy into David413's shuttle fleet for a while, and also the XR-2 and XR-5. But I just don't have the time. Same goes for FSX. Working on computers 5 days a week also makes you not want to sit in front of one for very long in the off hours.Taking care of a special needs child is a full time job for both me and my wife, and any gaming or simulating is very, very back-burner these days:(", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.500426752Z", "author": "EtherDragon", "date": "2010-05-06T19:18:17+0100", "id": "702bce2f57b0b6c5e1964da516b0883a", "post_id": "post-221855", "text": "IronRain said:No, I mean, in the Scenario window, then the ''New'' button... there are allot of vessels\/modules...;)Sorry if I was unclear\n\nAs reported in the previous post,Browse to your Orbiter directory.Go to the CONFIG folder located in the Orbiter FolderGo to the VESSELS folder located in Config FolderFind the vessels you wish to remove and delete them.They will no longer be available in the game, and won't show up in the New button.There is no other way to limit the vessels in the Scenario Editor New button.", "thread_id": 14138 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.93582464Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-08-28T06:15:12+0100", "id": "0c04443938404abadd1cdf6ed1cc9a0a", "post_id": "post-249918", "text": "To solve the seemingly impossible problem of time warp. Why not just use WarpMFD or limit timewarp to the ship of whoever is using it? You'd have to do transfers differently but whatever.Anyway with that topic (hopefully) buried lets get back on topic. What about running a refuel station in MEO to help assist other players on their way to other planets? You could use a dragonfly to take care of spent tanks and have XR5s bring up new ones.Or what about being able to repair other players ships. Imagine running KSC and you can take others ships into hangars to get them repaired and refueled. Or what about being in charge of getting shuttle missions ready? You could use the crawler to take the shuttle out to the launch pad ready for its rendezvous with the ISS. Or how about setting up a base with a couple of other people and using it to assist ships on their way to the further planets.I have too many ideas o.0Darren", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.209114368Z", "author": "clive bradbury", "date": "2010-04-22T23:05:00+0100", "id": "25786fdd05b7629d7d70d5993fc53d52", "post_id": "post-218030", "text": "Full instructions for Apollo are available in my tutorial on OH:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4170\"]AMSO IMFD Tutorial v2[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 13890 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.544576512Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-07T23:08:25+0100", "id": "3eec55cd95ee7768f910f0f5aa84499b", "post_id": "post-222050", "text": "It is divine influence. This is the story of how the gods did it.Traders use software that detect when trading goes off limits or when price is too different than previous one.There were two groups: the humans and the gods that dictate how fate behaves.There were some serious errors that meet the conditions to be reversed. At the moment of panic the gods buy a lot that will not be reversed.So the godly sales that caused the panic will be reversed but not the purchases that caused gods to make money.Be aware that this story may be offensive for those who believe in the all-mighty purple dinosaur Barney.:lol:", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.2714112Z", "author": "ACSoft", "date": "2010-09-02T15:33:59+0100", "id": "87136021c06fe86f500d7d97caab2aa0", "post_id": "post-250312", "text": "Hi Guys,Please also test with the following modules set:http:\/\/www.acsoft.ch\/tmp\/Test2-Modules.zipWith this set, guilty preloading is just moved elsewhere into the code of the main Apollo vessel module. It seem to also solve the CTD problem. Again, don't ask me why !!!This is a better solution, if it work for everybody.I recommend to play the following scenario for testing the FIRST set:AMSO\\AS-512\\Apollo 17 step 4.scnIt is the extraction of the LM which will create the LM vessel and therefore execute the LRV meshes preloading.Otherwise, for both set of modules, the main test scenario is obviously:AMSO\\Miscellaneous\\Apollo 16 LRV deployment.scnThanks in forward for your tests & reports.ACS", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.969976064Z", "author": "Goth", "date": "2010-04-21T21:14:39+0100", "id": "b275e24ce4a30561127c22332837dde9", "post_id": "post-217959", "text": "hypersonic said:Hi Orbiteers.Is there some session file that Orbiter.exe creates that is stored in some user shared folder somewhere, outside of the orbiter folder?\n\nNope.To me it appears to be a Vista compatibility related problem.", "thread_id": 13883 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.658875648Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-08T20:02:41+0100", "id": "523576fb192af2e0a2c9980389536232", "post_id": "post-222126", "text": "T.Neo said:Orbinaut_Pete, that is truely amazing. :speakcool:\n\nThanks, T.Neo!:cheers:I'm actually quite proud of my engineering achievement! :rofl:", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.442249216Z", "author": "palebluevoice", "date": "2012-08-11T22:34:41+0100", "id": "940d6b7953e915535dbf611a67356c8d", "post_id": "post-250591", "text": "hedzup456 said:Well, my meagre setup is this...Highlights: The Logitech Attack 3 joystick, in such a postionion that I can reach over the keyboard for atmospheric flight; The [I have no idea what kind it is] keyboard, used for the number-pad, as my laptop does not have it; the crappy mouse off to the right, much easier than using a trackpad! Also, there is a Compaq CQ57 laptop (2.53 GHz Intel Dual-Core i3-380M (380M, 3MB Cache) processor, 4 GB RAM.. Google it xD); And A nice tablecloth-Yes, this is on my dining room table. Whoo!Then, there is this...Highlights-exactly the same, but two monitors in stead of the tablecloth. That one is in my bedroom, but my parents don't like me taking my laptop upstairs (probably something to do with the time I got caught trying to hack Win-7's Parental Controls) so only when they're out!Not the best setup, and sorry for the bad photos (cameraphone). However, I am planning on building a desktop computer-i.e, getting a cheap computer, then upgrading each but individually-so soon to be upgraded:DOh, and while I remember, the sound for both of there comes form of on ofthese~Hedz\n\nNice! You have good taste in video games.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.30813184Z", "author": "Scruce", "date": "2011-04-17T02:23:56+0100", "id": "d519e27d5c269a98031f378d9d692f99", "post_id": "post-218131", "text": "And this?:", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.111620096Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2008-05-11T19:55:25+0100", "id": "be53dc35c2b1accc0878f2d795a18636", "post_id": "post-65232", "text": "Is there another converter out there for converting .3ds-files to .msh files?because I just noticed that 3ds2msh does a bad job at times. I can't figure out what's wrong. While some models are converted correctly, others (not very different ones) get all messed up, with groups getting displaced for hundreds of meters, groups being rotated aso. I don't know what to do...", "thread_id": 1410 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.544312832Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-08-27T00:32:42+0100", "id": "c18bb8f7572c9f1a38ea46c71ae6aca8", "post_id": "post-250853", "text": "Indeed. A forum about simulators, physics and outer space isn't a good place to be intentionally corrupting the English language.", "thread_id": 16235 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.47896832Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-07-13T18:15:47+0100", "id": "f39f648c682deb89c082715863c8757c", "post_id": "post-218395", "text": "Hey guys I was wondering if the auto fcs works with the ssu. Is there anything I need to change to make it work with it or is it completely incompatible. Thank You---------- Post added 07-13-10 at 10:15 AM ---------- Previous post was 07-12-10 at 01:26 PM ----------Any Help", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.234709248Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-05-04T20:01:26+0100", "id": "c65068892ac1b87e53c6839494fd971d", "post_id": "post-221544", "text": "T.Neo said:From what I can tell, almost everyone has afacebook accountnowdays.\n\nLuckily not me and my circle of friends :thumbup:I also managed to live without any cellphone for now. I don't even own a wristwatch :lol:People like me might be called babbitts or oldfashioned, but I do not care at all. Actually, if I would not be interested in space flight and aviation, I wouldn't even need internet.", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.89774848Z", "author": "marcogavazzeni", "date": "2010-08-23T00:59:27+0100", "id": "67bf283cb903e5356c3b7fa21a9ab80c", "post_id": "post-249830", "text": "DanM said:I remember a while back I found panels for Atlantis. Can I still find this addon? Are there panels out there for the shuttle fleet?All answers are appreciated, thanks!\n\n[ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=1326\"]AtlantisPanels1.5[\/ame]", "thread_id": 16168 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.540608Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-20T20:49:34+0100", "id": "ca47a2579244f9efd4a94814cdfbbec1", "post_id": "post-218501", "text": "Acceleration beyond C is impossible.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.6612672Z", "author": "jedimaster1214", "date": "2010-07-16T22:42:06+0100", "id": "b824a9bac12c05a64b40feac79f199ca", "post_id": "post-222145", "text": "If you want to look at the instructions, (or you lost them yourself...) you can get them here:http:\/\/us.service.lego.com\/en-US\/BuildingInstructions\/default.aspxJust type in 'Shuttle Adventure' into the 'search by keyword' box.Comes in PDF Format...", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.17236864Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-03-14T20:32:17+0000", "id": "fb6fb6701f70507aa2a256c7e148bf5f", "post_id": "post-250251", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 14\/03\/2011.After last week\u2019s re-outfitting of the Node 2 Nadir-to-HTV-2 (H-II Transfer Vehicle-2) vestibule (including removal of the CDC\/Center Disk Cover, mating of a power jumper and a MIL-STD-1553 data jumper from Node 2 to HTV, etc.), FE-6 Cady Coleman & FE-5 Paolo Nespoli this morning opened the HTV PLC (Pressurized Logistics Carrier) hatch, ingressed the HTV, performed an atmosphere test and installed a PFE (Portable Fire Extinguisher) & PBA (Portable Breathing Apparatus).Paolo then had ~5 hours set aside to work through an extensive task list of HTV cargo operations, including unloading, ballast confirmation, trash stowage, preparation of the upcoming installation of RSPs (Resupply Stowage Platforms), etc. Both CDR Scott Kelly & Cady joined Paolo during the day for some time in HTV-2 cargo ops.Working on the new Japanese KOBAIRO (\"stork\") rack in the JPM (JEM Pressurized Module), Cady installed two sample cartridges into the magazine of the GHF (Gradient Heating Furnace) SCAM (Sample Cartridge Automatic exchange Mechanism). [GHF is a vacuum furnace that contains three heating blocks. Their positions and temperatures can be independently controlled, and various temperature profiles can be configured. This facility will mainly be used for high quality crystal growth experiments using unidirectional solidification.]JAXA SSIPC Update:Pacific Ocean undersea cables carrying communications between JAXA SSIPC (Space Station Integration & Promotion Center) at Tsukuba and MCC-Houston were severed by the earthquake. Therefore, no command or video capability is available. We are currently using the network through BCC (Backup Control Center)\/HOSC (Huntsville Operations Support Center) at MSFC via IP for voice and data. JAXA is still targeting a departure date of 28\/03 for HTV-2, but needs the undersea connection repaired. SSIPC took some building damage; there are some keep-out areas in the four-story edifice. JEM\/HTV Flight Controllers are allowed to work at MCR (Mission Control Room) with limited capability (voice & telemetry only) and limited shift (daytime only). There are still some aftershocks, which could require the evacuation of the SSIPC Flight Controllers. Three JAXA Flight Directors will arrive in Houston this week. HTV-2 hatch was opened this morning, and internal configuration (lighting, ventilation, smoke alarm) were set up by MCC-H with voice loop support by HTV Flight Controllers.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.710484992Z", "author": "dumbo2007", "date": "2010-04-17T01:51:47+0100", "id": "4b01d7cea44d053057f2a2a6585b155a", "post_id": "post-217617", "text": "Turn off Shadows.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.837950464Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2012-10-31T00:14:59+0000", "id": "8094510cbce1729e919d8a860842ecab", "post_id": "post-222288", "text": "I wonder what those dips in the plot are.As for an Oort Cloud explorer, that would be quite the technical challenge. And it would take so long for it to even reach its destination it would be tough to sell.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.37202688Z", "author": "Iberville", "date": "2010-08-24T20:37:11+0100", "id": "bc7ebfea96c8720a4151eb7da33a464a", "post_id": "post-250472", "text": "You can set the amount of fuel for the trip in the DeltaGliderIV configuration. It's a link that will appear on your desktop after that you have installed the DGIV addon. If you deleted it, you can retrace it bu reading the documentation in the folder Doc - DeltagliderIV. You can actually select for a trip to ISS-Moon or Mars and beyond. You can even select the strenght of the engine. This is where you will also find the payload and crew configuration.Have fun flying to Mars!", "thread_id": 16200 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.24298496Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-04-17T12:42:22+0100", "id": "fe02b3dde880f5726f1322dac0e8e9e6", "post_id": "post-218036", "text": "Hello everyone!I tried to use orulex and it worked all fine. but there is one thing that I'm not happy about:p:All my bases are gone by halve, or completely... when I look better, I see that there all beneath the surface.so is there a way to fix this??Thanks!IronRain", "thread_id": 13892 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.182335744Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-05-08T04:00:54+0100", "id": "ee1045c01d59bffa016ae1d5a304b3bd", "post_id": "post-221452", "text": "If you want some good sightings, just wait until Atlantis is on-orbit this time next week - you'll see 3 dots in a row (ISS, Progress M-04M\/36P, and Atlantis) [not necessarily in that order]! :speakcool:", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.519032576Z", "author": "mc_", "date": "2010-08-26T12:43:58+0100", "id": "222e57ed8e378743135b13572e323f6d", "post_id": "post-250768", "text": "This is my second \"request\" (first was SSTO VTOVL). Still looking for something i'm (and someone else, i hope) missing in Orbiter.More details about this hypothetical vessel:Airframe:- No hover, only tilting main engines and weak RCS.- landing gear- One docking port at the nose (basically for compatibility with the Arrow's docking bay)Avionics:- at least a custom 2D panel- custom autopilots, specific for this kind of vessels:1) hold vertical speed with thrust (pilot controls engine tilting);1) hold vertical speed with engine tilting (pilot controls thrust).Optional:- full ship control by engine thrust and tilting (kinda like fly-by-wire)Not matter, but welcome:- UMMU and UCGO (as always :lol:)- nice visual model- VCThread is open for comments, suggestions,development screenshots, etc.Hail:probe:", "thread_id": 16229 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.439501568Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-04-18T22:01:16+0100", "id": "d30b8deae8c63c2e27964b61b98b2912", "post_id": "post-218220", "text": "If it's signed \"President\", then maybe Mr. Obama should front the bill?", "thread_id": 13907 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.42706432Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-06T13:54:53+0100", "id": "ed754e91a96ae88f1a3dd5096e35953d", "post_id": "post-221788", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:I meant how do you say. In the language.\n\nJust \"Orbiter\". Not much different to English, just the \"i\" is pronounced a tiny bit different.---------- Post added at 02:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:52 PM ----------SiberianTiger said:Der Orbiter, Herrgott noch einmal! :rofl:\n\nWrong. If you use Bavarian German, the pronounciation sounds more like:\"Dor Orbitor, herrgott no'mol\":rofl:", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.573808896Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-08-27T20:59:38+0100", "id": "e71479021469c78ca991342dc6862ad1", "post_id": "post-250945", "text": "Welcome back and 2 people returning in a few days? We are getting remembered!:cheers:", "thread_id": 16245 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.531182336Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-20T05:19:12+0100", "id": "422067226157ff0526cf71e7398c9e16", "post_id": "post-218469", "text": "Shadow Addict said:A train ride is faster...\n\nNot sure what trains you're riding, but they aren't American ones. American commuter trains have top speeds of like 55-60mph, and you'll also likely have stops along the route. In a car you could easily be zipping along at 70-85 (depending on state and location). Also see a couple posts above me for anecdotal evidence of cars being faster.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.42742272Z", "author": "Mojave", "date": "2010-05-06T16:20:36+0100", "id": "24d8ec79e7bf53738af2f07f9083ea9d", "post_id": "post-221792", "text": "Linguofreak said:Actually, since it's a final r, the difference isn't too great if you're comparing against a British dialect. Both British and German tend to leave off final r's.Of course, I'm American, so there is a difference.British\/German:\"Orbita\" or \"Orbituh\"American:\"Orbitrr\"---------- Post added at 16:35 ---------- Previous post was at 16:20 ----------I'm afraid I have to take her side on this. Birthdays are more important than Shuttle launches. In 20 years she might well be kicking herself for passing up the opportunity (on her birthday no less), whether she's any more interested in space or not. But at the moment she doesn't want to, and it's her birthday. There will be two more Shuttle launches, but she'll only have one twelfth birthday (11th? I'm not sure if you were rounding up or down when you said she's 11).(Also, consider that she may dislike space travel because she has to compete with it for your attention, though she may not realize that herself).\n\nShe will be twelveNo, My sister pretty much hates me.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.915172608Z", "author": "Polaris", "date": "2010-09-04T21:58:07+0100", "id": "1615c6cb23d38adca50f44b8afd3426d", "post_id": "post-249868", "text": "Here's some more damages:RTF SGU Shuttle: $80,000 (Total destroyed: 6)RTF Puddle Jumper: $500,000 (Total Destroyed: 12)Resolve: $1.2 million (Only one destroyed, and I took Wideawake International with it.)Brighton Beach Moonbase: $60,000,000RTF Raptor: $300,000 (Total destroyed: 20)UMMU: $1,000 for spacesuit (Total destroyed: Too many to count)", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.631413248Z", "author": "martins", "date": "2010-04-21T03:29:54+0100", "id": "aad53bf94d63f9d26d5bbf30092dc7bc", "post_id": "post-218670", "text": "I am currently writing a new MFD mode as an example for entirely script-driven MFD code. As a useful test case, I decided to do an MFD for some advanced attitude control. Among other things, it will allow automatic rotational alignment with a target dock.It works quite nicely, but I am starting to wonder if this will make docking too simple? Will it take the fun out of one of the more challenging operations in Orbiter? On the other hand, it could be quite useful for AI missions (e.g. automatic ISS supply missions).Are there already addons around with this functionality? What's the general opinion about it?", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.67301888Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-05-09T21:22:26+0100", "id": "37d0fe48542bdfac46eea51ad907ac4f", "post_id": "post-222163", "text": "Oh wow, it's another We Did Not Know Our Mining Supplies Were Monsters IN SPACE movie.Give me District 9. Or Avatar, just because it's nicer to look at.:p", "thread_id": 14157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.941712128Z", "author": "StevoPistolero", "date": "2010-09-22T17:22:17+0100", "id": "5ca9472d0e12bea921d8eaf92270f1bb", "post_id": "post-249953", "text": "Haha, you can try!", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.83241472Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2011-09-06T05:20:49+0100", "id": "27dc27a7b29672325a9bc067a27dc80b", "post_id": "post-222255", "text": "I always found it fascinating, though not surprising, that the Voyagers used a Vidicon imager. -- [ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Video_camera_tube\"]Video camera tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame] --Even more amazing is the gyros have been spinning since the mid-70's! Anyone have any info or datasheets or pictures of the gyroscopes they used?", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.224711168Z", "author": "deadspaceman", "date": "2010-04-17T19:45:20+0100", "id": "54d0904da05f803e4885234a6be6ab97", "post_id": "post-218035", "text": "if i can convert an8 files to Gmax then i can make something were they could \"enter\" to look like there lying down.", "thread_id": 13891 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.439315712Z", "author": "Talon1", "date": "2010-08-26T10:37:01+0100", "id": "0eeb9fe2156e1bf04786c032b3e59587", "post_id": "post-250556", "text": "Moach said:as the seagulls made famous by Pixar would say: MINE, MINE, MINE....\n\nWHOA!!! Now that's an impressive battle station. :lol: :thumbup:Xyon said:Here be mine:Notable landmarks: Coffee cup on left. Caps lock keys detatched and on upper shelf. Huge old CRT monitor I keep meaning to replace in centre.One of those PCs is a server, one is my gaming rig. You get to guess which is which.;)\n\nWell... Look at that dinosaur! :lol: No offense.:)Tex said:O-F Headquarters:\n\n\"O-F Headquarters\", It looks the part. :lol: All hail the awesome O-F founder! :hail: But don't forget to :hail::probe:too! :lol:I'll have a picture of my battle station up soon.;)", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.485022464Z", "author": "Graham2001", "date": "2010-04-19T02:49:36+0100", "id": "9465d2e39d9fb90d6e74d1a30334d90c", "post_id": "post-218407", "text": "I'm currently working on a fairly simple launch scenario and the most recent CTD with it bought up the following in the orbiter log:Module Spacecraft2.dll [API v.050206]**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\.mshFinished initialising statusFinished initialising cameraFinished initialising panels**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\\Meshes\\KSC_6.mshFinished setting up render state\n\nWhat is KSC_6.msh and where can I find it?", "thread_id": 13918 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.920897024Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-05-03T20:33:27+0100", "id": "e644ea53ebc4b7be7efd66b1c8ed7d57", "post_id": "post-221266", "text": "Just confirming problem with scttergen.exe, I got the same error as DaveS. Polygons give much better font than before on my Nvidia card.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.442618624Z", "author": "dumbo2007", "date": "2012-08-12T09:53:32+0100", "id": "ce0a8bffdca19679f816335a73084eb9", "post_id": "post-250596", "text": "Well my monitor is set to 1920 by 1080 now and thats the max in this laptop. Its kinda small to read though so I am getting proper monitor for those 24 inch:ppanaromic views of the lunar landscape.....and source code !So what kind of frame rates do you get with the dx11 engine for orbiter in the es72 laptop.I got totally duped 'cause nvidia has put in optimus in the laptop and that has throttled the fps.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.508339968Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-04-19T15:57:10+0100", "id": "78b4e62f23e33b66cb334321500e9284", "post_id": "post-218434", "text": "A way to keep the Shuttle in service... Without having it flying.", "thread_id": 13922 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.135191552Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-05-04T14:55:13+0100", "id": "e8dea3012baceac722b530532ae725cb", "post_id": "post-221402", "text": "R.I.P Guenter. King of the pad rats!!", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.908096256Z", "author": "Iberville", "date": "2010-08-23T01:42:45+0100", "id": "21a2b38ffbfaeb34377b6be38ac2fc3f", "post_id": "post-249837", "text": "I have \"complex flight model\" on but all the Perturbations settings off (no gravity gradient torque, no nonspherical gravity source and no radioation pressure).-Let's say I am about 2 or 3 meters from any of ISS docking ports. I always start by fixing the rotational alignment first. I then move with linear thurster only to dock. I never have to use again rotation thrusters unless something bad happened (forgot to closed hover or whatever). But inside the arrow, I try to do the same thing : coming under the bay, stopping, aligning right under it, moving up with linear thrusters to be in front of the docking port. I then fix the rotation alignment and finish by the same thing than with the ISS: linear forward, a often a little bit on the X and Y axis. But inside the Arrow, it influences somehow the rotation alignement.Maybe something I did before outside the ship inflenced it after. I'll give it a shot a few times and try to figure it out.", "thread_id": 16170 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.553725952Z", "author": "MJR", "date": "2010-04-21T00:35:58+0100", "id": "ff403326da0c62695cc0e00530dd2671", "post_id": "post-218556", "text": "I was saying that that is what givesmethe stress and contributes to it. Anyway, whatever your problems are I hate when people broadcast it like it is something to boast about.", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.136481536Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-06-05T13:43:37+0100", "id": "064dc26e4c1e12323a661ddfc710e9b8", "post_id": "post-221411", "text": "Robert Pearlman (collectSPACE owner) via Twitter said:During a tribute to her father, Norma Wendt reveals Guenter's ashes are flying to the Moon in 4-5 years. The Pad Leader is moon-bound.\n\nSource.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.172751104Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-03-23T20:31:59+0000", "id": "d6bc5187e9b627fb012c6bdda413ba08", "post_id": "post-250255", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 23\/03\/2011.FE-5 Paolo Nespoli & FE-6 Cady Coleman continued their HTV-2 (H-II Transfer Vehicle-2) cargo operations, now focusing mostly on final trash packing. [Sayonara time for HTV-2: Release is planned for Monday 28\/03 at 9:45 AM GMT (Tsukuba\/Japan: 29\/03 at 12:45 AM), followed by HTV-2 thruster activation at 4:45:30 PM GMT and re-entry on 30\/03 at ~4:09 AM GMT.]", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.62091008Z", "author": "mjanicki", "date": "2010-04-22T00:24:04+0100", "id": "6667369d788c8c18c72a10e65a90f1cc", "post_id": "post-218658", "text": "Submariner said:I know it uses Spacecraft3, but would this work with Thorton's Mir 1.3? Mir 1.3 is awesome, and I wish it had UMMU and UCGO!!!\n\nUnfortunately, not likely. All of that Mir's functionality comes from the Spacecraft3 module, so if you changed it over to the StationUCGO module, you'd lose all the other features of the vessel. The only way it would really work would be for me to completely recreate Spacecraft3, or for some sort of Spacecraft4 to incorporate the UMMU and UCGO features. Sorry.-- Mike", "thread_id": 13942 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.21510144Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-05-04T09:26:43+0100", "id": "06c77f7693bca45ec863bafc70433954", "post_id": "post-221524", "text": ":welcome:", "thread_id": 14107 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.348397056Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-10-09T15:05:19+0100", "id": "4892df42850713e021af3d169c081e37", "post_id": "post-250387", "text": "BREAKTHROUGH!!http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-latin-america-11506710", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.553336576Z", "author": "eveningsky339", "date": "2010-04-20T22:42:18+0100", "id": "e88bb646c463884ac844639fb31adbf7", "post_id": "post-218552", "text": "Long walk\/jog through the woods, listen to music, drink Sleepy Time tea, rent a couple of obscure comedy films and have a laugh...", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.429148416Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-07T13:04:35+0100", "id": "e44a703cb286e8b38be89bb0ecae60f2", "post_id": "post-221806", "text": "Linguofreak said:The only German pop musician I know about is Beethoven, and I think I may have heard of some guy by the name of Bach.:p(To be serious, a friend of mine growing up was a big fan of Rammstein, and I've seen music videos from several groups in German classes, linked to by you in the Youtube thread, etc, but I really don't know much).\n\nA miracle...a US Citizen who does not think all German pop music is about Rammstein and Tokio Hotel.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.519206912Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-08-26T15:23:20+0100", "id": "4f6e36188d44da7f9291f34330023261", "post_id": "post-250769", "text": "well their was this canceled project with tilting engineshttp:\/\/www.nestadlinn.de\/orbiter\/its called Prometheus", "thread_id": 16229 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.6212608Z", "author": "MaverickSawyer", "date": "2011-10-28T16:02:45+0100", "id": "08d9e47d192cdb9591af868b17630eb0", "post_id": "post-218662", "text": "Just downloads woo482's XR5 UCGO rack or TEU, and use that as a series burn stage, not a payload, so that you can load cargo in it.", "thread_id": 13942 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.661144576Z", "author": "Kyle", "date": "2010-07-16T22:15:34+0100", "id": "37ddc7625f1d03bdea4a9a078a9e3670", "post_id": "post-222144", "text": "Here's a cool space shuttle model..", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.585958656Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-27T17:02:34+0100", "id": "6b7fa331875b5a81bac6c513b88cb670", "post_id": "post-250967", "text": "that in a way that could be zoomed out and provide a visually-rich situation overview of the solar system...\n\nIsn't the Orbiter Navgator going to be enough in that respect?", "thread_id": 16248 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.711198464Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-04-17T07:56:23+0100", "id": "f904a4412a088e7c16a9cb32a1d8fbd3", "post_id": "post-217623", "text": "I think this needs to be fixed(the blue mountain range in the background):", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.132297216Z", "author": "FordPrefect", "date": "2010-05-03T12:10:46+0100", "id": "834e2cc2d67cb6b16166c02ee64d1aeb", "post_id": "post-221388", "text": "Sad news.Another great character of mankind's greatest adventure is gone.:(http:\/\/collectspace.com\/news\/news-050310a.html", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.60926848Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-08-29T22:15:02+0100", "id": "4d504c82f9a5f800ee911677c38e8a37", "post_id": "post-251020", "text": "I would exploit an undocumented? behavior of oapiReadItem_bool - if the entry in the file does not exist, the output variable is unchanged.", "thread_id": 16253 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.880282624Z", "author": "Pablo49", "date": "2010-04-16T16:48:37+0100", "id": "551ca833d926d1e52268e781e693a101", "post_id": "post-217804", "text": "I was working on a space station project, but it got to the point where it was feeling repetitive. I suppose I could have done hings to eliminate that feeling, but I didn't and my Orbiter usage has gone down. I've been planning on some sort of moon mission or the like, to get back in. But things like girlfriend etc get in the way of my weekend Orbiter time.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.292847104Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-04T21:22:23+0100", "id": "40fea77952a7bbe0270d1b80a0b6fbf7", "post_id": "post-221560", "text": "Neither is right. Both are right. Apple has a right to do business the way they want. And I have the right to not buy any Apple stuff because I don't like the way they do business.Whatever happens, the consumer will ultimately win. Either Apple will change their mind and Flash \"wins\", or Flash will be replaced by something better and Apple \"wins\". Or Apple will finally decide to treat its users as more than brainwashed fanboys and let them load \"unapproved\" software onto the expensive white plastic toys they buy.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.01450368Z", "author": "johan", "date": "2010-08-23T12:22:59+0100", "id": "ac10f936863754b433a55926ab65cbe8", "post_id": "post-250014", "text": "jarmonik said:Can you reproduce this if you save the scenario before the CTD and reload it. If you can reproduce it then could you attach the scenario into your post. Also you could try it with a clean installation of orbiter. There are some addons those will replace Orbiter DLLs like planet modules with their own replacements.\n\nOkay, I'll get a chance to look at this, probably tomorrow night. I'll try those things and post here how it goes and\/or attach the scenario.jarmonik said:Based on your report it's the Orbiter that will CTD not the IMFD. Is that right ?\n\nDoesn't that work out to be the same thing? The simulation window disappears, and the launchpad disappears, and I get a message from Windows saying \"Sorry for the inconvenience\". I'll get a screenshot of the message so you can see what I mean.jarmonik said:Do you know how to run debugger. I could upload a debug version of IMFD.\n\nSure, I made my living as a dev for a few years recently. I mainly used Java, but I've used C++ before (Orbiter addons are written in C++, right?), so if you can give me some lightweight instructions I should be able to do some debugging for you.Lets first eliminate the possibility that other addons are causing this? I'll get back here with results in a day or two.", "thread_id": 16176 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.891186688Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-10-09T00:22:28+0100", "id": "fc296ea0049e187d6573f76e9f193394", "post_id": "post-217841", "text": "Arianespace: \"Europe's second Automated Transfer Vehicle is prepared for its 2011 launch on an Ariane 5\".The ATV Johannes Kepler is shown during processing in the Spaceport\u2019s S5 payload preparation facility. In the photo at left, one of the solar arrays is checked after a verification of its deployment sequence from the ATV\u2019s service module. Loading of the ATV\u2019s cargo carrier is shown in the two photos at right.The Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) to be orbited on Ariane\u2019s milestone 200th flight is a center of attention at the Spaceport in French Guiana as pre-launch preparations advance with this large resupply vessel for the International Space Station.Named after the German astronomer and mathematician Johannes Kepler, the ATV is targeted for a February 15, 2011 liftoff on Ariane 5. Its mission will mark the 200th flight of an Ariane since the start of operations with this launcher family in 1979, and is to deploy the ATV in low Earth orbit for a rendezvous with the International Space Station.Recent ATV Johannes Kepler activity in the Spaceport\u2019s S5 payload preparation facility includes loading of the spacecraft\u2019s cargo and a validation of its solar panel deployment sequence.The February 2011 mission will be Arianespace\u2019s second launch of an ATV, having orbited the ATV Jules Verne in 2008. These unmanned logistics spacecraft are part of Europe\u2019s contribution to the International Space Station\u2019s operation and maintenance. Arianespace is responsible for their launch, with six ATV flights currently included in the company\u2019s manifest.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.315984896Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-05T19:56:24+0100", "id": "8a588e17a107f734ea2eae5cdc6fa294", "post_id": "post-221634", "text": "cjp said:That burger is way too big. I bet it's still a bit raw on the inside.\n\nYou say both of those like they're bad things...", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.913214464Z", "author": "Zamzara", "date": "2010-09-02T15:01:39+0100", "id": "72f11bd3a00c54d4cf03a47d5169fdc1", "post_id": "post-249850", "text": "Burnout 2 module! Interesting idea....", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.89751424Z", "author": "Scruce", "date": "2011-02-15T22:11:25+0000", "id": "0b1b3e8cef797624095657c53ba6e37b", "post_id": "post-217880", "text": "Noooo they posponed it :thumbsdown:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.466338048Z", "author": "Lupin_Yonder", "date": "2010-05-06T14:27:46+0100", "id": "f451e26d37daaaaf1cf385f3ac811ef0", "post_id": "post-221832", "text": "I am also having this problem, No hud, No fuel info. I am however using ati Radeon 4870---------- Post added at 02:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:10 PM ----------Found the solution, atleast with ATI. Disable any kind of Anti aliasing you have on your hard and let the application handle AA. sorted it out for me.", "thread_id": 14133 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.348074496Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-10-09T13:48:41+0100", "id": "ae8ed92ef5c1071d1a9c8530cdfad4e3", "post_id": "post-250384", "text": "Where do you get the information that explosives are required? There hasn't been any mention of them in the news articles I've read.This is the latest from the BBC ->http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-latin-america-11506595<- And again, no mention of explosives. There are some thoughts around not lining the shaft with steel and using the rescue cage in shaft as drilled.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.298599168Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2010-05-01T11:57:15+0100", "id": "1484260c9d88d6bd85b16d8f3476f605", "post_id": "post-218055", "text": "impressive. unfortunately I dont know to do addons.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.673146368Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-05-09T21:43:27+0100", "id": "fa1c3818d5b480097eda1a57f81b7852", "post_id": "post-222164", "text": "Well, the MONSTA on the spaceship genre is old. Ever seen \"IT! The terror from beyond space\"?", "thread_id": 14157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.44355584Z", "author": "palebluevoice", "date": "2012-08-17T21:08:43+0100", "id": "1a8060a6c4fb499ebb9201eac6ff8dc3", "post_id": "post-250608", "text": "Gr_Chris_pilot said:So here is my simulator-gaming setup....I am curently making a new instrument panel for orbiter MFDs. I am using Saitek X52 joystick for LEO operations and landings :thumbup:The main screen works with a sony projector and the instrument panel with a 32'' TV ( i am using the autopilot and radio panel buttons for keyboard commands for orbiter)New pictures with orbiter soon:cheers::hailprobe:\n\nVery nice! You have the same joystick as I do; I love the feel, but I sure hate the software issues I've had, even though they're easy to work around. I have a dream of one day(like, in my 40s) getting one those mockup capsules\/the kinds they put in museums and turning it into a simpit; just for orbiter...but I'm still not sure about a capsule, maybe I want a furutistic cockpit...how did you ever manage to decide on what vessel you wanted for your simpit?", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.303438592Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-04-16T20:24:31+0100", "id": "a9736257ce1e1f4f9c0fdf95eae76bd8", "post_id": "post-218093", "text": "looks cool. can't wait to try it.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.842369024Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2017-12-02T06:37:40+0000", "id": "dc65858969fa0e06ccdcbe4042ddc5c5", "post_id": "post-222313", "text": "Does anyone know offhand the current estimated remaining mission time for V1 and V2?", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.508435712Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-08-26T08:05:02+0100", "id": "5337f0d82c27a92ac8b095feec4bbc1e", "post_id": "post-250744", "text": ":welcome:Offlabeluse.", "thread_id": 16224 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.866840064Z", "author": "diogom", "date": "2011-07-21T20:47:23+0100", "id": "f709258cd9bf712533863c62ab0c1557", "post_id": "post-217786", "text": ":cheers:I have a problem with the latest BETA, when I run the Cosmos-47 in orbit scenario, the spacecraft is invisible.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.92742144Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-05-11T14:44:05+0100", "id": "2436c945bb26118b949d31a2d6392bb7", "post_id": "post-221338", "text": "Artlav said:Could not reproduce. When exactly to look for it?\n\nTry this scenario, CTDs for me right when the night illumination kicks in. No joy with the latest OGLA beta(100511).Code:BEGIN_DESC\nLaunch Space Shuttle Atlantis from Launch Complex 39B at the Kennedy Space Center for mission STS-101.\nEND_DESC\n\nBEGIN_ENVIRONMENT\n System Sol\n Date MJD 51683.418171\nEND_ENVIRONMENT\n\nBEGIN_FOCUS\n Ship STS-101\nEND_FOCUS\n\nBEGIN_CAMERA\n TARGET STS-101\n MODE Extern\n POS 2.89 -0.51 -70.39\n TRACKMODE TargetRelative\n FOV 50.00\nEND_CAMERA\n\nBEGIN_HUD\n TYPE Surface\nEND_HUD\n\nBEGIN_MFD Left\n TYPE Surface\nEND_MFD\n\nBEGIN_MFD Right\n TYPE Orbit\n PROJ Ship\n REF Earth\nEND_MFD\n\nBEGIN_SHIPS\nISS:ProjectAlpha_ISS\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS -3833430.64 5480334.56 -803952.35\n RVEL 6169.424 3967.476 -2315.171\n AROT 110.00 -10.00 80.00\n PRPLEVEL 0:1.000\n IDS 0:1 10 1:2 10 2:3 10 3:4 10 4:5 10\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n XPDR 466\nEND\nLCC:SSU_LCC\n STATUS Landed Earth\n POS -80.6040745 28.6083855\n HEADING 270.00\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n LAUNCH_MJD 51683.424421\n PAD_NAME LC39A\n SHUTTLE_NAME STS-101\nEND\nLC39A:SSU_Pad\n STATUS 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0\n BOILERHTR1 0\n BOILERHTR2 0\n APUFUTKVLV0 0\n APUFUTKVLV1 0\n APUFUTKVLV2 0\n APUCNTLRPWR0 0\n APUCNTLRPWR1 0\n APUCNTLRPWR2 0\n HYDCIRCPUMP0 2\n HYDCIRCPUMP1 2\n HYDCIRCPUMP2 2\n APUAUTOSHTDN 0\n APUSPDSEL0 1\n APUSPDSEL1 1\n APUSPDSEL2 1\n APUCNTRL0 0\n APUCNTRL1 0\n APUCNTRL2 0\n HYDMNPMPPRESS0 0\n HYDMNPMPPRESS1 0\n HYDMNPMPPRESS2 0\n MPSENGPWR00 0\n MPSENGPWR01 0\n MPSENGPWR02 0\n MPSENGPWR10 0\n MPSENGPWR11 0\n MPSENGPWR12 0\n HEISOLA0 0\n HEISOLA1 0\n HEISOLA2 0\n HEISOLB0 0\n HEISOLB1 0\n HEISOLB2 0\n MPS0 1\n MPS1 1\n MPS2 1\n L_ET_UMB_DOOR 1.000\n R_ET_UMB_DOOR 1.000\n ET_DOOR_LATCHES 0.000000 1.000000 1.000000\n @PANEL F2\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL F4\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL F6\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL F7\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL F8\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL R2\n \"Boiler1 N2 Supply\" OFF\n \"Boiler2 N2 Supply\" OFF\n \"Boiler3 N2 Supply\" OFF\n \"Boiler1 Cntlr\" OFF\n \"Boiler2 Cntlr\" OFF\n \"Boiler3 Cntlr\" OFF\n \"Boiler1 Cntlr Pwr\/Htr\" OFF\n \"Boiler2 Cntlr Pwr\/Htr\" OFF\n \"Boiler3 Cntlr Pwr\/Htr\" OFF\n \"APU1 Run\" START\/RUN\n \"APU2 Run\" START\/RUN\n \"APU3 Run\" START\/RUN\n \"Hyd Main Pump Press 1\" NORM\n \"Hyd Main Pump Press 2\" NORM\n \"Hyd Main Pump Press 3\" NORM\n \"APU1 Cntlr Pwr \" ON\n \"APU2 Cntlr Pwr \" ON\n \"APU3 Cntlr Pwr \" ON\n \"APU1 Fuel Tank Valve\" OPEN\n \"APU2 Fuel Tank Valve\" OPEN\n \"APU3 Fuel Tank Valve\" OPEN\n \"ET Umb Centerline Latch\" GND\n \"ET Umb Left Door\" OFF\n \"ET Umb Left Door Latch\" OFF\n \"ET Umb Right Door\" OFF\n \"ET Umb Right Door Latch\" OFF\n \"MPS Pwr Left AC2\" [1]\n \"MPS Pwr Ctr AC1\" [1]\n \"MPS Pwr Right AC3\" [1]\n \"MPS Pwr Left AC3\" [1]\n \"MPS Pwr Ctr AC2\" [1]\n \"MPS Pwr Right AC1\" [1]\n \"MPS He Isol A Left\" OPEN\n \"MPS He Isol A Ctr\" OPEN\n \"MPS He Isol A Right\" OPEN\n \"MPS He Isol B Left\" OPEN\n \"MPS He Isol B Ctr\" OPEN\n \"MPS He Isol B Right\" OPEN\n @ENDPANEL\n @PANEL O6\n \"L GLRSHLD FLOOD\" OFF\n \"S TRK DR CNTL SYS1\" CLOSE\n \"S TRK DR CNTL SYS2\" CLOSE\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL R11\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL A6\n \"SENSE\" [0]\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL AftMDU\n @ENDPANEL \n @PANEL A7A3\/A8A3\n \"SYSTEM POWER MNA\" [0]\n \"SYSTEM POWER MNB\" [0]\n \"PYRO POWER MNA\" [0]\n \"PYRO POWER MNC\" [0]\n \"SYS1 VENT ISOL\" [0]\n \"SYS1 VENT\" [0]\n \"SYS2 VENT ISOL\" [0]\n \"SYS2 VENT\" [0]\n \"PSU POWER MNA\" [0]\n \"PSU POWER MNB\" [0]\n \"LIGHTS AIRLOCK 1-4\" [0]\n \"LIGHTS AIRLOCK 2-3\" [0]\n \"LIGHTS DOCKING TRUSS FWD\" [0]\n \"LIGHTS DOCKING TRUSS AFT\" [0]\n \"ARLK\/TNL FAN A\" [0]\n \"ARLK\/TNL FAN B\" [0]\n \"LIGHTS C\/L VESTIBULE PORT\" [0]\n \"LIGHTS C\/L VESTIBULE STBD\" [0]\n \"CNTL PNL PWR A\" OFF\n \"CNTL PNL PWR B\" OFF\n \"CNTL PNL PWR C\" OFF\n \"HTRS\/DCU PWR H1\" OFF\n \"HTRS\/DCU PWR H2\/DCU\" OFF\n \"HTRS\/DCU PWR H3\/DCU\" OFF\n \"APDS PWR A\" OFF\n \"APDS PWR B\" OFF\n \"APDS PWR C\" OFF\n \"PYROS Ap\" [0]\n \"PYROS Bp\" [0]\n \"PYROS Cp\" [0]\n @ENDPANEL \n MTU_MET_RUNNING 0\n MTU_MET0 0.000\n MTU_MET1 0.000\n MTU_MET2 0.000\n EVENT_TIMER0 540.000000 DOWN STOPPED\n EVENT_TIMER1 0.000000 DOWN STOPPED\n IDP1 SPEC 65535\n IDP1 DISP 65535\n IDP2 SPEC 65535\n IDP2 DISP 65535\n IDP3 SPEC 65535\n IDP3 DISP 65535\n IDP4 SPEC 65535\n IDP4 DISP 65535\n LEFT_AIRDATAPROBE 1 3 0.000000\n RIGHT_AIRDATAPROBE 1 3 0.000000\n APU1_State 2\n APU1_FuelPress 1473.383\n APU1_HydPress 2654.671\n APU1_Speed 98.387\n APU2_State 2\n APU2_FuelPress 1463.459\n APU2_HydPress 2624.647\n APU2_Speed 92.506\n APU3_State 2\n APU3_FuelPress 1435.394\n APU3_HydPress 2647.471\n APU3_Speed 103.869\nEND\nET:Atlantis_Tank\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n ATTACHED 0:20,STS-101\nEND\nLSRB:Atlantis_LSRB\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n ATTACHED 0:21,STS-101\nEND\nRSRB:Atlantis_RSRB\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n ATTACHED 0:22,STS-101\nEND\nLC39A:SSU_Pad\n STATUS Landed Earth\n POS -80.6070900 28.6008890\n HEADING 270.00\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n ACCESS_ARM 0 0.0000\n GVA 0 0.0000\n VENTHOOD 0 0.0000\n FSS_OWP 0 0.0000\n RSS_OWP 0 0.0000\n RSS 1 1.0000\n GOX_SEQUENCE 1\nEND\nLCC:SSU_LCC\n STATUS Landed Earth\n POS -80.6040745 28.6083855\n HEADING 270.00\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n LAUNCH_MJD 51982.950000\n PAD_NAME LC39A\n SHUTTLE_NAME STS-101\nEND\nMLP2:Atlantis_MLP\n STATUS Landed Earth\n POS -80.6070840 28.6009090\n HEADING 0.00\n NAVFREQ 0 0\n T0_UMB 0 0.0000\nEND\nEND_SHIPS", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.439623168Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-26T13:01:24+0100", "id": "2b18e2aebf73a623c288a601f2f3f435", "post_id": "post-250559", "text": "Except that they aren't at the minute, because we're on BST right now, which is GMT + 1.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.878198784Z", "author": "eveningsky339", "date": "2010-04-16T15:51:14+0100", "id": "1202e252ebb52de0f391c91115e823bc", "post_id": "post-217795", "text": "I've been through this phase multiple times... I go from using my computer solely for Orbiter to not playing at all, and then back to Orbiter in full force. I also used to do this with FSX, though I haven't picked that back up for two years now.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.093119232Z", "author": "Lunar Pilot", "date": "2008-04-08T08:12:21+0100", "id": "b287b5869b40a8777d1716d9cb592fec", "post_id": "post-12294", "text": "IfEven if this guy maybe correct, the real question is if someone can proveit, whatever his idea is in the first place.", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.712041472Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-23T08:50:14+0100", "id": "37202a5756c5848b2d147202a4416e01", "post_id": "post-249693", "text": "It's called a publicity stunt, you know... It's not supposed to do anything more or less than to raise the profile of the last shuttle mission a bit, so the last shuttle flight doesn't go by unnoticed and two years later people go \"does anybody know what happened to the space shuttle\"?", "thread_id": 16157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.89556864Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-02-15T17:27:23+0000", "id": "5937591f3e0989ad8f950f5d1f22be74", "post_id": "post-217871", "text": "Arianespace:Ariane 5 is in the launch zone for its February 15 mission with Europe's second Automated Transfer VehicleSpaceflight Now:Ariane 5 rocket to launch European cargo craftAriane 5 moves to launch pad(PHOTO GALLERY)", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.326868992Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-05-05T13:37:21+0100", "id": "71f35ee4ab1ca9f09d92e35d63b89c06", "post_id": "post-221646", "text": "In that case, install camstudio. It might be that the codec on their site is the lossless codec only. The program should come with the appropriate codec.", "thread_id": 14115 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.452061184Z", "author": "Yoda", "date": "2010-08-26T19:26:20+0100", "id": "cd0bde0607c4b80809abd299b1122b1d", "post_id": "post-250634", "text": "WOW !!!!!!.............not............That's it ??????????That's the BIG news????????????Rather disappointing in my view since we all know that stars can have multiple planets in orbit around it.Not even worth having a news-conference for :facepalm:Yet another NASA waste of TV time and Money", "thread_id": 16212 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.30872448Z", "author": "Hlynkacg", "date": "2011-04-19T23:37:28+0100", "id": "4f919bfd147ab1b0de3ddec179330349", "post_id": "post-218134", "text": "for those who are interested I started a thread to discuss the Spacecraft's hypothetical specifications here.http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?t=21823", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.393490432Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-05-05T21:09:02+0100", "id": "28cb0256b6edf9a5dfbbbcbd953736a2", "post_id": "post-221765", "text": "Hi...i find that it can be a valuable tool to be able to use cout, cin and other console functions to debug things...but orbiter doesn't have a console....well, it does now!introducing, the first, bug riddled yet strangely functional, ORBITER CONSOLE!now you can use cout, cerr and cin in the same way that you do in a console app! but with orbiter!and best thing: it works for ANY attached dll... so if you simply leave it on, and use cout in an MFD or vessel dll you're working on, you'll get output in the orbiter consoleknown bugs:it WILL crash when you close orbiter, be it by ctrl+Q, alt+F4 or clicking the X button on either the launchpad or on the console window itself...something's not quite right in the console release code...i can't seem to stop this, so i'm including the source so if anybody feels that he\/she\/it can fix it, be my guest :thumbup:it also crashes when you deactivate the module via the lauchpad, so once activated, it can only be removed in the orbiter.cfg file...also, i couldn't find a way to keep orbiter from minimizing upon input... windows has the console get focus, and that causes orbiter to minimize when fullscreen... (this is probably only a problem with multiple monitors, since you don't really can see the console when fullscreen without a secondary)other than those bugs, nothing that would keep the console from doing what it's supposed to...cheerz", "thread_id": 14126 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.489254912Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-25T19:48:46+0100", "id": "901f2912fb3783f64d5cb67deb1b45a3", "post_id": "post-250699", "text": "It's not animated, probably because if it were it would breach copyright of someone or another, most likely Fox.So it's simply a still image with the sound dubbed in.", "thread_id": 16220 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.552948224Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-20T22:17:17+0100", "id": "d9c4eb687858103cce205a73504e7948", "post_id": "post-218550", "text": "your girlfriend announces to you that she's pregnant!\n\nBut there is joy in that...:pAnd if you're owning a store that employees (not one) but TWO hotties! (and you have to let one of them go)\n\nIf you have a girlfriend, why should you be concerned about \"hotties\"? :hmm:", "thread_id": 13926 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.478981632Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-05-17T20:40:16+0100", "id": "aabce13fa7c8fb75d2454b636b131c9c", "post_id": "post-221849", "text": "whereas specific orbital energy is the sum of kinetic and potential energyper unit mass.\n\nouch. Should have noticed that sooner. Thanks a lot, it's all becoming rather clear now why I was still getting weird results.", "thread_id": 14135 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.451604992Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-08-25T16:19:03+0100", "id": "5c4fc1ff1c0e4b5adbb35563568188ac", "post_id": "post-250629", "text": "Keatah said:No, they have not discovered life. And -- They'll never tell us there is life there, even if they find it. It would mess up religions too much. too many established dichotomies and philosophies and theologies would need to change. The place would be in a major upheaval.They'll show some transit dots and blurry smears and stuff like that.\n\nNo.When the Martian meteorite ALH84001 and showed evidence of life, nobody went into upheaval and the world's major religions survived. In fact, the story wasn't the biggest one in newspapers of that day.Religions survived many scientific discoveries that contradicted their holy books and they will survive the possible discovery of life.", "thread_id": 16212 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.633068544Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-04-21T05:40:02+0100", "id": "04c562d940ba4abe96551f52e088da40", "post_id": "post-218676", "text": "Sounds great. If people want the challenge, there's no requirement that they have that MFD selected.Besides, matching rotational alignment with the existing Docking MFD only takes about 30 seconds, having an autopilot to do it doesn't take away that much from the experience.", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.831019008Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-06-15T18:53:57+0100", "id": "02cf4819fe28e0088932447b9dcc43ec", "post_id": "post-222246", "text": "NASA\/ NASA JPL:Recalculating the Distance to Interstellar SpaceJune 15, 2011Scientists analyzing recent data from NASA's Voyager and Cassini spacecraft have calculated that Voyager 1 could cross over into the frontier of interstellar space at any time and much earlier than previously thought. The findings are detailed in this week's issue of the journal Nature.Data from Voyager's low-energy charged particle instrument, first reported in December 2010, have indicated that the outward speed of the charged particles streaming from the sun has slowed to zero. The stagnation of this solar wind has continued through at least February 2011, marking a thick, previously unpredicted \"transition zone\" at the edge of our solar system.\"There is one time we are going to cross that frontier, and this is the first sign it is upon us,\" said Tom Krimigis, prinicipal investigator for Voyager's low-energy charged particle instrument and Cassini's magnetospheric imaging instrument, based at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md.Krimigis and colleagues combined the new Voyager data with previously unpublished measurements from the ion and neutral camera on Cassini's magnetospheric imaging instrument. The Cassini instrument collects data on neutral atoms streaming into our solar system from the outside.The analysis indicates that the boundary between interstellar space and the bubble of charged particles the sun blows around itself is likely between 10 and 14 billion miles (16 to 23 kilometers) from the sun, with a best estimate of approximately 11 billion miles (18 billion kilometers). Since Voyager 1 is already nearly 11 billion miles (18 billion kilometers) out, it could cross into interstellar space at any time.\"These calculations show we're getting close, but how close? That's what we don't know, but Voyager 1 speeds outward a billion miles every three years, so we may not have long to wait,\" said Ed Stone, Voyager project scientist, based at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.Scientists intend to keep analyzing the Voyager 1 data, looking for confirmation. They will also be studying the Voyager 2 data, but Voyager 2 is not as close to the edge of the solar system as Voyager 1. Voyager 2 is about 9 billion miles (14 billion kilometers) away from the sun.{...}", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.939076096Z", "author": "Pyromaniac605", "date": "2010-09-22T12:42:24+0100", "id": "a48b7b382990d0e99664660d6e9de6d7", "post_id": "post-249940", "text": "[Rant]The purpouse of this thread was about what you would like to do or be able to do NOT to rant all day about why certain things won't work. So PLEASE get this thread back on track and talk about what you would like to be able to do![\/Rant]Darren", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.879671296Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-16T16:02:12+0100", "id": "2ccc45ad3349639c3250da2d6e06fc89", "post_id": "post-217801", "text": "I have the weekend for it, but I mostly have it full of development work for Orbiter, which sort of means I can't just play around as often as I want to, and often, my playing around ends in a new add-on getting done almost naturally.I would really like to have the time to kick off a small VSA for a la-grange space station project, but I don't see my time budget for orbiter changing anytime soon.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.850910464Z", "author": "V8Li", "date": "2008-05-12T09:33:39+0100", "id": "9308971290b240e552b4631cde21cde7", "post_id": "post-65292", "text": "Formation flight. On Earth. At 5 meters altitude.", "thread_id": 1417 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.014976256Z", "author": "johan", "date": "2010-08-25T07:19:40+0100", "id": "67759ee1c63584238b7b77c1e3a182e8", "post_id": "post-250017", "text": "Hi allOkay, so I have more information now. I tried two different things last night:Do the run to the moon manually again, this time taking care to record some stuff from the resulting windows crash dialog. See the contents of crash_1.zip (attached).Rename my orbiter folder to some backup name, and re-extract a clean install of Orbiter from the zip file. Then extract my IMFD5.4 zipfile into the new folder, and run the scenario again. It crashed again... see the contents of crash_2.zip (attached). Unfortunately I managed to not get the *appcompat.txt file this time around... hope it doesn't matter? If it does I'll just go back and get it.A strange thing I noticed, is that transX seems to be already installed on my \"clean\" install... I didn't think transX came with the default orbiter install?This raises the question: Do I maybe need to re-download it and start from there?So I used md5sum from GNU textutils (UnxUtils download) to determine whether or not my download had gotten interfered with somehow.Just for good measure, I did a checksum of my IMFD download too, as well as the .dll that got mentioned in the error report.ede8a82ab323d75ae90d58c7372a6a38 *orbiter100606.zip570400a133ffcbe39ff91af1e8616308 *IMFD54.zip8079998f9bb7246889c3fe3b15a8dbf8 *Cowell2.dllIf someone could please check their versions of these files against my md5's, the answer may jump out at us...Cheers,Johan", "thread_id": 16176 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.92081664Z", "author": "C3PO", "date": "2011-02-24T16:09:39+0000", "id": "b709c4dd200bf49d065e05d5daf6099a", "post_id": "post-217923", "text": "We need a metric commentator for NASA TV :lol:r-dot was 0.07, not 0.5:)Why is the docking camera off-set from the docking target at the point of contact? Is the visual alignment only used to check the automated approach?", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.922039552Z", "author": "Auzar", "date": "2010-05-04T18:11:16+0100", "id": "ba640d1f0447fb39a21bf001b0aaebe2", "post_id": "post-221276", "text": "So, does it work?\u0422\u0430\u043a\u0438 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0442\u0430\u0435\u0442 \u0438\u043b\u0438 \u043d\u0435\u0442?\n\nNo, does not work, 100504 does not work too, gives out the same error\u043d\u0435\u0442, \u043d\u0435 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0442\u0430\u0435\u0442, 100504 \u043d\u0435 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0442\u0430\u0435\u0442 \u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435, \u0432\u044b\u0434\u0430\u0435\u0442 \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0443\u044e \u0436\u0435 \u043e\u0448\u0438\u0431\u043a\u0443", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.351783936Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-10-16T00:20:23+0100", "id": "9670204a403879dfeb572149405796ae", "post_id": "post-250412", "text": "Some NASA TV videos.NASA Experts Assist in Chilean Miners' Survival and Rescue.\u200bISS Offers Congratulations on Rescue of Chilean Miners.\u200b", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.309610752Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-04-29T04:21:04+0100", "id": "500b4167aba443b3901d253a1e5fb8b3", "post_id": "post-218140", "text": "Perhaps it was a pre-concept or a different class vehicle?", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.92323456Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-05-06T21:44:09+0100", "id": "056381a7a75194973ed0f4ea3706a673", "post_id": "post-221289", "text": "Artlav: Does OGLA support dynamic textures yet? Seems like SSU have a problem with several of the VC panels without dynamic texture support, namely that the panels that make sure of the dynamic texturing is blank white!", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.372775936Z", "author": "exe-c", "date": "2010-08-25T00:59:39+0100", "id": "ae29e187309fb7733f2f90691547a0e5", "post_id": "post-250476", "text": "Izack said:I never understood why the configuration utility was in the Sound folder...it took me forever to find it the first time. :lol:\n\nHeh, yea, i've also been in truoble finding this configuation utility 1st time. What i've did - i used the 'Search' function of windows, and tell it to find all .exe files in orbiter's directory. It worked!:)", "thread_id": 16200 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.92715264Z", "author": "Coolhand", "date": "2010-05-11T05:32:25+0100", "id": "6e095b0a56440300da49be57f6c17150", "post_id": "post-221335", "text": "thanks for the info artlav. hmm... in that example it looks like you have a specular effect going on there - as the highlight traces over the textures the light reflection - the specular highlights - intensity seems to be controlled by a map.at a minimum i think you should be able to control spec, gloss & bump.Reflection mapping will be cool, but specular works most of the time and has a lot less strain on the system... a spec map can control either or both effects. both reflection systems (specular being just a fake reflection of a lightsource) should benefit from a gloss map - which for specular will control the width of the highlight.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.529044224Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-04-19T18:49:51+0100", "id": "43d9c5a57e335b574d3d45d2513e1344", "post_id": "post-218447", "text": "If we talk about the train as an alternative to the airplane, then I think Germany and France are among the best equipped countries, with their dense high-speed networks. There is only one high-speed railway in the Netherlands, and it is still under construction.I'd say 'high-speed' in Europe means 200 km\/h or more, and often more than 300 km\/h. Conventional trains in the Netherlands often have similar speeds as cars on the highway (in the absence of traffic jams): about 120 km\/h.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.439032576Z", "author": "Tex", "date": "2010-08-26T05:30:35+0100", "id": "ba437d8fb4648c5e5301888e7a920fc9", "post_id": "post-250554", "text": "Izack said:Aww, where'd that giant TV go? :lol:\n\nIts still there, to the left...Its primarily used for cable TV, however the computer is hooked up to it as well so I can play games on it if I like or watch videos from the computer.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.135021312Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-19T10:55:20+0100", "id": "bbfdb718b9e7cbf14e72dbef9e414132", "post_id": "post-217995", "text": "Sky Captain said:One advantage HLV has is larger diameter and longer payload fairing which makes things much easier when you for example want to build serious interplanetary mission.\n\nStrangely, we can build serious houses with trucks, that can only transport a much smaller envelope. And it does not seem much easier to build complete houses in a factory far away and transport the houses to their location.Sorry, but you are following a fallacy - larger monolithic payloads are never automatically simpler. They are actually even slowing you down after the first three or four launches. If you assemble the spacecraft in orbit from standard modules, you can include improvements and fixes faster than in a monolithic spacecraft that is assembled for years on Earth and has huge R&D programs involved. Only because you can launch it in one piece, it is not less complex. No spacecraft is 400 tons of pure solid metal.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.314185216Z", "author": "Jarvit\u00e4", "date": "2010-05-04T23:03:41+0100", "id": "8acdb67cc595b0f8e7158380ca7b1acc", "post_id": "post-221619", "text": "Why choose when you can have it all?", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.443139584Z", "author": "mojoey", "date": "2012-08-14T18:15:12+0100", "id": "d965617306f35178b6e71d91c3a41d71", "post_id": "post-250602", "text": "Pipcard said:Am I worthless if I don't have at least a $1000 computer with two screens (or a touch-screen), and a joystick?My computer cost $400-$500, because that was my goal for the allowance I was getting (mostly for playing music at church, but I don't do that anymore).\n\nAh yes, a lesser being that only has one screen!:pI would love a 3 screen setup, then play orbiter on one screen, KSP on the other, and talk to you guys on the third.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.354299392Z", "author": "dutchpirate", "date": "2008-05-12T14:21:30+0100", "id": "01d117749a83b62ef9052bed11c00502", "post_id": "post-65250", "text": "Heel mooi mijnheer!", "thread_id": 1412 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.1772736Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-04-18T09:32:35+0100", "id": "8031a9c4a7a5ee5bf837651f27098ec3", "post_id": "post-218023", "text": "Looks like McLaren have found some form.N.", "thread_id": 13889 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.168455936Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-04T18:18:04+0000", "id": "78fa04a8a35325db13b8091dab949a13", "post_id": "post-250221", "text": "Kyle said:When is HTV-2 going to the Zenith port on Harmony?\n\nFriday 18th February - two weeks today.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.716402176Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-04-24T18:47:00+0100", "id": "fdc9aebeac60611092730f5e21e7428d", "post_id": "post-217660", "text": "Disconnect said:thats not a fix, since if i turn it off, the driver freezes and restarts...\n\nRight--if you'd read the thread, disabling that will cause crashes on Radeon cards.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.659091456Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-05-08T20:27:44+0100", "id": "224726d59a647646755c3b530eef4499", "post_id": "post-222127", "text": "Very nice! I like what you did to the miniature shuttle especially. It looked all wrong the way it was docked before.It's much better than the laser gun thing I made out of mine... Darn my childhood fantasy days, eh? :lol:", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.474012416Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-08-25T20:28:12+0100", "id": "1bce067fbb9b3b3d7125a0c681d89656", "post_id": "post-250680", "text": "could one not have further vessels \"hidden\" inside a single module? - it would be useful for spawning debris and such... although i figure there's probably a better way of doing that, no?", "thread_id": 16218 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.772858624Z", "author": "Spike Spiegel", "date": "2010-05-09T02:34:19+0100", "id": "c2171e929449ece0b77964f6e339b9c0", "post_id": "post-222213", "text": "I've noticed that Flight Simulator X does a lens flare on external views only, since these could be thought of as cameras. That makes sense to me. I've also noticed Tex added lens flares in some of his Orbiter videos.", "thread_id": 14168 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.76176896Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-04-17T11:21:08+0100", "id": "d8e5a573c08e734d06876480a5b85a8a", "post_id": "post-217684", "text": "ar81 said:In english, I recall I read great many things about actor David Tennant. In spanish, the page seemed to be written by gay community and used references to tabloids only, not the best aspects of his work.\n\nSometimes when imreally, reallybored I'll read an article, use Google Translator on the same article in different languages, and look for differences.", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.507666688Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-08-26T00:09:58+0100", "id": "520660fd637d178d807741182c19be96", "post_id": "post-250739", "text": ":welcome:to the forums !Orbiter buried the axe of war between me and maths, and allowed me to progress a lot (over all, it demonstrated me that maths could be interesting and fun to use !).", "thread_id": 16224 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.861450752Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-04-21T22:56:29+0100", "id": "9cebfb76ca10e27bb6a4dce4b6293726", "post_id": "post-217752", "text": "I'm working on the guidance file for the Voskhod rocket. I'll post it here when I'm finished.", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.692819968Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-02T00:48:30+0100", "id": "a851ffff585abc7074d32d5ea807bf7e", "post_id": "post-221111", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:they all look like crap\n\n:rofl:BTThttp:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/tutorials.phpTutorials for Addon DevelopersTutorial: How to create surface basesThe entry point to the world of developing addons for newbies.MFD Wizard for Visual StudioThis is a tool to allow the simple creation of MFDs in Visual Studio.Surface base wizard 1.3bManual contains concepts on how to create surface tiles. You may also use it with this toolSurface Tile calculator v5.0aTutorial: How to make scenarios for Orbiter v1.5Concepts that will help you so you can edit or create scenarios. You may want to use it these tools that provide code examples for different vesselsVessel code generator 1.0Shuttle fleet scenario generator v1.5cBig space plane 4.0 scenario generator 1.1Merlin 1.2 code scenario generatorAnim8or tutorial: How to model a planeTutorial for newbies on 3D modellingAnim8or tutorial: How to model a rocket (Lesson 2)Tutorial for newbies on 3D modellingAnim8or tutorial: How to make a building (Lesson 3)) Tutorial for newbies on 3D modellingMesh Wizard 1.9dManual contains concepts on .MSH (Orbiter), .AN8 (Anim8tor) and .OBJ (Wavefront) format for 3D objects.Tutorial: Vectors for dummiesConcepts that helps you to understand vectors.Tutorial: How to use Spacecraft.dll (Lesson 1)This will teach you how to create a space station module (this is an exercise)Tutorial: How to use Spacecraft.dll parametersThis is an explanation of commands used to create vessels using Vinka's Spacecraft.dllTutorial: How to make music for OrbiterThis will familiarize you with tools to make music\n\ncheck out the ones for spacecraft.dll and how to model a rocket.---------- Post added at 04:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:45 PM ----------supersonic said:Sure.I was looking for a multi stage rocket. I sould have put that in right away.:p\n\nFor multistage look atmultistage2 by vinkathe tutorials and samples should get you going really quick.", "thread_id": 14086 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.569415168Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2010-08-27T12:04:16+0100", "id": "91f0ea73eeee16692d1829166b2416df", "post_id": "post-250937", "text": "What an awesome picture :thumbup:. My first thought was that it was like staring down the throat of a giant triffid standing ready to swallow the whole Earth :lol:", "thread_id": 16244 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.92415872Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-05-07T23:50:54+0100", "id": "52d1bd5c86d2304a2ea8fe915bf40081", "post_id": "post-221300", "text": "Artlav said:Sorry, that means what exactly?\n\nSorry, it only happens on a new OGLA installCode:8\/05\/2010 8:51:07 AM| INIT| OGLA v100506 (GLGR)\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:27 AM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.2\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:27 AM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 1.4\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:27 AM| INIT| GPU supports OpenGL 2.0\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:27 AM| INIT| glgruva=1, usevbo=1, vboav=1, glgr_stensh_aupd=0, gvsync=0, gl_comp_sup=1, gl_shm4=1\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:27 AM| OGLADBG| OGLA 100506 Debug.\nVessel program 0:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nVessel program 1:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nVessel program 2:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nVessel program 3:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nVessel program 4:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 0:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 1:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 2:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 3:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 4:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 5:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 6:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 7:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 8:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nPlanet program 9:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nHaze program 0:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nScatter program:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nHaze program 0:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \nScatter program:\nVertex shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\n\nFragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware.\nFragment shader(s) linked, vertex shader(s) linked. \n \n8\/05\/2010 8:51:30 AM| PLNTR| Loading Textures\/Saturn_ring.tex OK\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:30 AM| PLNTR| Loading Textures\/Uranus_ring.tex OK\n8\/05\/2010-8:51:31 AM:[getheihmap]:Notice: File \"heightmaps\\Earth-lv12-870-188-21-15.hei\" not found or not loadable.\n8\/05\/2010-8:51:31 AM:[getheihmap]:Notice: File \"heightmaps\\earth-lv13-429-340-9-8.hei\" not found or not loadable.\n8\/05\/2010-8:51:31 AM:[getcmap ]:Notice: File \"textures\\Earth-lv13-483-104-11-9.bmp\" not found or not loadable.\n8\/05\/2010-8:51:31 AM:[getcmap ]:Notice: File \"textures\\earth-lv8-119-94-3-3.bmp\" not found or not loadable.\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:32 AM| PLNT| Loading Textures\/Earth.tex OK\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:32 AM| PLNT| Loading Textures\/Earth_cloud.tex OK\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:32 AM| PLNT| Loading Textures\/Earth_lmask.tex OK\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:32 AM| PLNT| Loading Textures\/Moon.tex OK\n8\/05\/2010 8:51:37 AM| INIT| OGLA v100506 (GLGR)", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.881566976Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-04-17T09:18:21+0100", "id": "87fbd46a60357ce450898c27510495a2", "post_id": "post-217813", "text": "The problem currently is that for all the stuff I would like to do, I have to write an addon first... :lol:Not that there are not enough quality addons around, but few of them let me do what I'd actually like to do (currently that's Traveling the galaxy and doing low-thrust flights). I HAVE to get that bloody arrow and UCGO installed though (which I downloaded some time ago, but never got around playing with it), and do some Planetary base-building, since that actually IS one of the things I'd like to do...I'm just caught up too much in programming in my free hours...", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.607785728Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-08-28T15:12:26+0100", "id": "2626a03be3bcd5ad35d0a0371000ce02", "post_id": "post-251009", "text": "I need to learn it before accelerating, so if there's no API function, I'll read the cfg. Thanks ![EDIT] done:Code:bool myMFD::IsFuelLimited()\n{\n bool ret = true;\n\tstd::ifstream f(\"Orbiter.cfg\");\n\tif ( f.is_open() )\n\t{\n\t\tstd::string line;\n\t\twhile ( std::getline(f, line) )\n\t\t{\n\t\t\tif ( line == \"UnlimitedFuel = TRUE\" )\n\t\t\t{\n\t\t\t\tret = false;\n\t\t\t\tbreak;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t}\n\t}\n return ret;\n}Note that I'm opening the file from MFD's scope (best at constructor) instead of global (module's) scope, because the dlls are loaded before the user makes eventual changes.", "thread_id": 16253 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.893993216Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-04T14:04:29+0000", "id": "59572a1617447118e302c8c8ca21d493", "post_id": "post-217861", "text": "Arianespace'sATV-2 Launch Kitis now online (PDF, 3.2 MB).", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.135357184Z", "author": "AirSimming", "date": "2010-05-04T19:11:43+0100", "id": "5458777317365fead602304600962f75", "post_id": "post-221403", "text": "Short news broadcast:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=RsUjBIHbig4\"]YouTube- NASA's Guenter Wendt Dies At 85[\/nomedia]Another tribute:[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=gFgJDhRFS_c\"]YouTube- A TRIBUTE TO GUENTER WENDT[\/nomedia]BTW: was anything shown on German TV? I didn't see anything. But I think most German journalists don't know him anyway, less than ever average Germans.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.629882624Z", "author": "brettdajet03", "date": "2010-08-29T21:11:51+0100", "id": "15eeaaf43d73007d7ac4b9a9e8d6be06", "post_id": "post-251058", "text": "It seems as though the CVS didn't work.", "thread_id": 16258 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.916029184Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-02-17T05:21:06+0000", "id": "919a3199cfc7b1a96e3e7039f2d7a4d6", "post_id": "post-217897", "text": "Spaceflight Now :200th Ariane blasts offThe Ariane 5 rocket with the European Space Agency's automated cargo freighter for the International Space Station launched at 2151 GMT (4:51 p.m. EST) today from the Guiana Space Center in South America. The rocket successfully deployed the 44,000-pound spacecraft about one hour later.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.135905024Z", "author": "Fabri91", "date": "2010-05-05T13:41:39+0100", "id": "68c09215467deb0d4e5e17ef455bd18e", "post_id": "post-221407", "text": "RIP@Bloodworth: saw that quote from Apollo 13 just a short while ago.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.18301696Z", "author": "donatelo200", "date": "2010-08-23T18:24:54+0100", "id": "b96ceffbc867db30284ace3ece4fde17", "post_id": "post-250277", "text": "Is any autopilot on? You can't exede 100x with an autopilot on.", "thread_id": 16186 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.182146304Z", "author": "Tycho", "date": "2010-05-08T02:06:52+0100", "id": "a028a7dcef35fb3338aaf8fa4d7f46f6", "post_id": "post-221451", "text": "Sighting the station through a telescope is an incredibly fulfilling experience! Nice job.:thumbup:", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.476971776Z", "author": "AtlantisOnline", "date": "2010-05-14T00:40:24+0100", "id": "4f768b68cfa2515ee9a05c7f23ccdbba", "post_id": "post-218376", "text": "Ahh stupid me I forgot about the holds. So if I was going to create a new senerio how would I change these values for my new senerio. Thank you---------- Post added at 07:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:41 PM ----------Also how do I use the IMFD to find out the required Delta V changes. Thank you---------- Post added 05-13-10 at 04:38 PM ---------- Previous post was 05-12-10 at 07:05 PM ----------Ok I found out how to find required delta v changes but now my next question is about deobiting. How do I find out when I should make my deobit burn and how much delta v is required. I know how to find out how much delta v for an altitude change but how much should I change my altitude. I heard from a tutorial it should be about 20k below the surface...is this correct. How do I find the TIG to the deorbit burn. Basesync tells me that I am several orbits away from closest approach how would I know what my TIG should be? Thank You---------- Post added at 04:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:38 PM ----------My question for how to change the countdown if I create a new senerio still stands.", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.630107904Z", "author": "kerlix", "date": "2010-08-29T21:29:21+0100", "id": "23ac62dc8ab11ff7689509030dfbff7c", "post_id": "post-251060", "text": "From what I've read on the NASSP forums, the modules currently available arent compatible with Orbiter 2010. In order to use them, you have to compile the modules yourself. I may be wrong, but that's what I got from searching around.http:\/\/www.ibiblio.org\/mscorbit\/mscforum\/index.php?PHPSESSID=3vk9oeq9q0rfodj5du6no7nqr4&board=66.0.", "thread_id": 16258 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.479763456Z", "author": "Donamy", "date": "2010-08-03T19:43:34+0100", "id": "7bcaf12b9f4e5af43f35a3efb44c1f5a", "post_id": "post-218404", "text": "Will we have a release soon for SSU to work with 2010 ?", "thread_id": 13917 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.426003968Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-06T12:35:09+0100", "id": "e63f0eadabdb6c9d7e68f45c6368098b", "post_id": "post-221778", "text": "my six year old daughter knows how spacecraft look like...lately explained my girlfriend what solar flares are...without me being involved, she somewhere learned it and memorized it.Of course she likes girl-things, like dolls, the color pink and horses. But that does not mean she doesn't care about other things. I think it is good that she has her own personality and interests, and is not wasting her time trying to be somebody else.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.937648896Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-09-19T05:06:38+0100", "id": "2c1ccb9409ed427b3a557865f6304055", "post_id": "post-249933", "text": "i think there already is a dedicated thread :idk:", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.541087232Z", "author": "Fizyk", "date": "2010-04-20T21:34:53+0100", "id": "cb79949388e3d5543bd9be02788d9cd1", "post_id": "post-218506", "text": "Well, yeah, a wormhole is rather quite different from a black hole, though a Kerr black hole (a rotating one) can in a way act a bit like a wormhole.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.922410496Z", "author": "Auzar", "date": "2010-05-04T20:11:26+0100", "id": "de4c6132be2ef3fe3f3c2bcd76be4e21", "post_id": "post-221279", "text": "You need orbiter100503beta.\n\nExcuse, I did not see that there was a new Orbiter beta, with it to this error is not present )My English is very very bad, sorry )))\u041f\u0440\u043e\u0448\u0443 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0449\u0435\u043d\u0438\u044f, \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u0438\u0434\u0435\u043b \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0432\u044b\u0448\u043b\u0430 \u043d\u043e\u0432\u0430\u044f \u0431\u0435\u0442\u0430 \u041e\u0440\u0431\u0438\u0442\u0435\u0440\u0430, \u0441 \u043d\u0435\u0439 \u044d\u0442\u043e\u0439 \u043e\u0448\u0438\u0431\u043a\u0438 \u043d\u0435\u0442.\u0441 \u043c\u043e\u0438\u043c \u0430\u043d\u0433\u043b\u0438\u0439\u0441\u043a\u0438\u043c \u0442\u0440\u0443\u0434\u043d\u043e \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0442\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442\u044c \u0434\u0430\u0436\u0435 \u0441 \u043e\u043d\u043b\u0430\u0439\u043d \u043f\u0435\u0440\u0432\u043e\u0434\u0447\u0438\u043a\u043e\u043c, \u043a \u0441\u043e\u0436\u0430\u043b\u0435\u043d\u0438\u044e )))", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.16170624Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-18T18:30:48+0000", "id": "6b7940cee404c796e2cc38bb8ca20785", "post_id": "post-250166", "text": "NASA TV To Broadcast Japanese Cargo Craft Flight To Space Station.NASA plans live television coverage of the launch, grapple and berthing of the second unpiloted Japanese cargo ship that will deliver more than four tons of food and supplies to the International Space Station.The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) is scheduled to launch an H-IIB rocket from the Tanegashima Space Center in southern Japan at 12:29 a.m. CST (3:29 p.m. Japan time) on Thursday, Jan. 20. The launch vehicle will send the Kounotori2 H-II Transfer Vehicle (HTV2) into orbit on a week-long rendezvous with the station. \"Kounotori\" is the Japanese word for white stork, emblematic of delivering happiness and joy.On Jan. 27, Expedition 26 Flight Engineers Cady Coleman and Paolo Nespoli will command the station's robotic arm, Canadarm2, to reach out, grapple Kounotori2, and attach it to the Earth-facing port of the Harmony module.In the following days, a pallet loaded with spare station parts will be extracted from a slot in the cargo ship and attached to an experiment platform outside the Japanese Kibo module. Other cargo will be transferred internally to the station.The cargo vehicle will be filled with trash, detached from the station and sent to burn up in the Earth's atmosphere at the end of March.NASA Television's programming schedule for HTV2 events includes (all times CST):Thursday, Jan. 20:12 a.m. -- Launch coverage, anchored from NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, begins. Launch is scheduled at 12:29 a.m.Thursday, Jan. 27:5 a.m. -- Grapple coverage, anchored from Johnson, begins. The grapple of HTV2 is scheduled at 5:44 a.m.8 a.m. -- Berthing coverage, anchored from Johnson, begins. The attachment should be complete at approximately 10 a.m.For more information about Kounotori2 and the H-IIB launch vehicle, visit:www.jaxa.jp\/countdown\/h2bf2\/index_e.htmlFor more information about the International Space Station, visit:www.nasa.gov\/stationFor NASA TV downlink, schedule and streaming video information, visit:www.nasa.gov\/ntv", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.923058944Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-05T14:09:30+0100", "id": "3a0bd4a6706742faf871678b2c7df6a5", "post_id": "post-221286", "text": "OGLAClient 100505:orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/oglaclient-100505_beta-100503.zipRequires Orbiter beta 100503.Raytraced haze tables:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/ogla_earth_scatter.zipChanges:*Fixed mesh issue from 100504*Fixed Atlantis animations bug*Fixed surface filling issues (Surface MFD)*Fixed variety of 2D rendering bugs*Fixed variety of add-on related crashesSurface MFD now fixed.Bad thing is, GDI emulation got broken as a result, still waiting for Martins clarifications.Known bugs and near-term release plans:-GDI emulation broken (Map MFD, all legacy MFDs, old panels)-MFD transparency issues (Arrow only?)-Something crashes OFSS scenarios-Lightweight Lv9+ planet rendering (non-Orulex)-Switch for raytraced air into F7 menu-Smooth night side light\/dark transition, sunset lighting effect-Documentation!-Make planetary shine angle-dependent (dawn, sunset)-Add particle streams-Get the trash out-Shadows problem on Nvidia (?)-F* key menus problems (?)-Terrain tiling blinking issues (?)-Fix visibility sequence for terrain (?)-Proper tangent storage and handling (?)-Animate tangent (?)-Fading exhaust (?)DaveS said:1: Cycling it(once) cleared the display problem.2: Only spaceports sub-menu, the rest are fine.\n\n1. Broken, to be fixed soon.2. No idea what causing it, to be fixed eventually.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.839026944Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2010-04-17T09:50:24+0100", "id": "e9ac04980d8ccf22a6d779c92275e7ed", "post_id": "post-217717", "text": "We love you all for making this add-on:pThanks!---------- Post added at 10:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 AM ----------Little edit:When I try to launch a scenario.. doesn't matter which one I'll get a CTD, except when I delete the Ares V from the scenario. I also get a CTD when I change the view to one of the launch pad. It doesn't matter if I delete the launch pads from the scenario, the Are V just won't start up.---------- Post added at 10:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:46 AM ----------Never mind. I changed the System from Sol_constellation to just Sol, and now it works fine!", "thread_id": 13877 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.557430272Z", "author": "Xantcha", "date": "2008-05-28T15:44:24+0100", "id": "f9b025fb4719a1891f490131a3a004a5", "post_id": "post-69010", "text": "Well, most of basic controls are on numpad.Personaly I never thought that advice to read manual is helpfull :^) Manuals tend to be hard to be references rather then tutorials. Yet, the fact is that reading orbiter's manual (at least the quickstart part) is very usefull (nearly obligatory).", "thread_id": 1624 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.89309568Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-30T21:28:59+0000", "id": "87898f994be0f93f89758a5a471673a6", "post_id": "post-217855", "text": "Photo: A last look inside ATV-2 before the hatch is closed for flight.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.924243456Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-05-08T00:08:42+0100", "id": "f3c001766329a8f17aaf3bb26a712812", "post_id": "post-221301", "text": "So I had not realized it but my work laptop has an ATI card and after seeing this thread I thought I would check it out and give some feedback.So I tested both scenarios, switched from external to internal views as well as all cockpit views and did not experiance any problems.One issue I did have is there was no atmosphere visible. Not sure if that is a related issue.Laptop specs:AMD Athalon 64 X2 dual core TK-42 1.6 GHz.3GB RAM64 bit Win7ATI Radeon HD 3200, 256MBAnd yes I am getting a low FSP on this machine but oh well:)", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.165089024Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-01-27T11:32:37+0000", "id": "4f79d7846fb777cfeaedaafa8f8a7e5e", "post_id": "post-250194", "text": "While the HTV-2 is \"go\" for being captured - Spaceflight Now:Japanese rocket launches cargo freighter(PHOTO GALLERY)HTV 2 rendezvous timelineJapan's robotic cargo craft nears space stationJapanese cargo craft reaches International Space StationHTV cargo craft approaches space station(PHOTO GALLERY)EDIT:The space station's robot arm has grappled the HTV-2 at 11:41 UTC.NASASpaceFlight:ISS crew successfully capture HTV-2 for berthing to Station.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.926324736Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-05-09T10:20:40+0100", "id": "5d52c31b0d9d857341c5c133ddb00abb", "post_id": "post-221325", "text": "Artlav said:Wraparound... Fixing which is mutually exclusive with SSU C3 panel.\n\nMaybe you might need a SSU mode?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.893924096Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-03T22:41:37+0000", "id": "b51f7b128aeafc29f8fcfd7fbdcb1755", "post_id": "post-217860", "text": "tl8 said:Docking ports in a nutshell. There are not to many to go around in the Russian section (4?) and 2 of them are needed for Soyuz.\n\nCorrect. There are only 4 docking ports on the RS. If ATV were at SM Aft permanently, it would occupy a much needed port.However, there is a proposal to develop an ATV with a docking port on the rear, reached via a pressurised tunnel between the pressurised section and the service module. If this was done, a Soyuz\/Progress could dock to ATV.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.17086848Z", "author": "Donamy", "date": "2011-02-18T20:47:59+0000", "id": "dd138c4122bf7880fce26fd95d867f2b", "post_id": "post-250241", "text": "As requested;)", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.091589376Z", "author": "Chipstone306", "date": "2007-11-18T13:47:58+0000", "id": "6ec84c6c38297f7ede035275258f0b4d", "post_id": "post-12287", "text": "I found this today ...Can we take this seriously:huh:http:\/\/www.space.com\/scienceastronomy\/time_theory_030806.html", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.137171712Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-19T19:46:30+0100", "id": "c653c86d454d41f290b05af3fea58dab", "post_id": "post-218010", "text": "Is there any study of how a manned Mars mission with surface visit could be done employing only EELV class launch vehicles?\n\nThere are several. See Mars for Less.There is even an Orbiter addon for it, AFAIK.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.183195136Z", "author": "vonduus", "date": "2010-08-23T18:40:06+0100", "id": "4d366c71d432e53101ab27ac9c4f1b28", "post_id": "post-250278", "text": "Thank you for your quick answers.No, I had no auto-pilots on. For some obscure personal reason I have an Arrow Freighter in orbit around the Moon, so I also checked that out to see if I had left the auto-pilot on. But no.What I did have on in the DeltaGliderIV, was my long range antenna tracking that Arrow Freighter. I turned the antenna off, and voila, now time warp 1000x works as designed!The strange thing is that now I cannot reproduce the problem, even with the antenna on and tracking I can time warp 1000x without problems !?!Thanks a lot guys, your answers guided me in the direction of the solution.:cheers:cheers von Duus", "thread_id": 16186 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.235279104Z", "author": "shangding", "date": "2010-05-05T07:27:27+0100", "id": "69ca96c921f69828b8a5b65491f975e9", "post_id": "post-221551", "text": "wowin china ,no facebook ,no twitter ,no youtube ,and more.i need high speed free vpn.", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.138019072Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-04-21T14:19:29+0100", "id": "32b2b66dc313c67bf2c781df8aab79cf", "post_id": "post-218018", "text": "AirSimming said:They are also talking about a reduced version of Orion as a life boat for ISS crews. How do they get a reduced version of Orion into LEO?\n\nMost likley an Atlas V. Because the the Orion-superlite would be unmanned at launch there will be no need for a man rated Atlas V, for that launch atleast.The Atlas V has the serious potential for being just such a medium class, economy-of-scale example. At this point we have ULA saying they want to man rate and make it avalible for multiple manned craft. If we had Orion-superlites, Dream Chasers and all the other NASA and DoD payloads flying I think it would reduce the cost of any indavidual launch significantly.It's kind of funny though because we want competition in launch providers to reduce costs but on the other hand if everyone is using the same launcher you get reduced costs as well. I suspect in the rocket biz the right combination of both would be advantagious for both costs and increased innovation.:cheers:", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.569670912Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-08-27T15:53:53+0100", "id": "5f8ce857617309e41879fc246a8c6efa", "post_id": "post-250939", "text": "Sauron! *runsaway*", "thread_id": 16244 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.31345408Z", "author": "Loru", "date": "2010-05-04T22:30:10+0100", "id": "2e2f2fc3dbc61371cb0c8b6529b352d2", "post_id": "post-221614", "text": "Depends where I eat them.Cheesburgers in MCHamburger in Burger KingHotdog - I've got my favourite place where they're fabulous.", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.209025792Z", "author": "Tommy", "date": "2010-04-20T00:41:49+0100", "id": "5015171e0f87606e04398d58983757fd", "post_id": "post-218029", "text": "IIRC, you'll use Planet Approach to set the course, and Orbit Eject to execute the burn. Full instructions for this are available in the IMFD Full Manual\/Playbacks, available at OH. This Manual will be updated soon, and include some new techniques to make flights more efficient, such as taking a stock DG from Cape Canaveral to Titan (via Jupiter) without refueling and having 34% fuel remaining (total burntimes after the first plane change enroute to Jupiter are less than 30 seconds!)[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4142\"]IMFD Full Manual\/Playbacks[\/nomedia]This is the original, if you don't want to wait for the update.", "thread_id": 13890 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.574637312Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-09-06T05:15:00+0100", "id": "882e7927004b23ebaf87ab349c1c8fbc", "post_id": "post-250951", "text": "Welcome back! You don't know me, but hopefully that wil change in the following months!", "thread_id": 16245 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.42638976Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-06T13:01:25+0100", "id": "5a53f32f2f5a5774521eb81548972d67", "post_id": "post-221782", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:My Dad does not want to leave her home while Dad and I go. He says that it is not fair to leave on her birthday without taking her.\n\nI know the dilemma. I think I'll have to take my daughter to Wacken someday.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.898079232Z", "author": "orbitingpluto", "date": "2011-02-15T22:13:13+0000", "id": "20352f3e6cafae3459cd30f42c90c81b", "post_id": "post-217882", "text": "Darn! This was the first time I remembered to watch a launch live.:(", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.723785472Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-24T20:57:26+0100", "id": "d787f4b919ab5b27bc00142ecf884242", "post_id": "post-249698", "text": "OF Staff Note: Threads merged.", "thread_id": 16157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.515230976Z", "author": "James.Denholm", "date": "2008-05-15T06:18:40+0100", "id": "904bb1fb4c3f6274367afd5a3663258d", "post_id": "post-65273", "text": "Voted... against.Kidding.", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.92517888Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2011-06-19T15:18:22+0100", "id": "4dcfc1829df7346fc26b7c3c95cd424b", "post_id": "post-217945", "text": "BBC article about Tuesday's re-entry.\n\nTuesday... Again ?? :blink:", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.92006144Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-08-23T10:38:18+0100", "id": "e19e48daa1bfe6a8466dccd0e88113a6", "post_id": "post-249882", "text": "Not entirely. You admitted yourself, that there is aproblem with UCGO:Pyromaniac605 said:So there isn't a fix yet? Damn.Darren\n\n", "thread_id": 16172 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.927820544Z", "author": "Hartmann", "date": "2010-07-29T15:34:56+0100", "id": "2ed2591b5a80423858c77a83d97ac653", "post_id": "post-221342", "text": "I don\u00b4t know if is a bug but Ogla crashed and in the log file say this\"28\/07\/2010-23:21:21:[getheihmap]:Notice: File \"heightmaps\\moon-lv12-1038-301-3-3.hei\" not found or not loadable.\"I have to install height maps in some folder ??", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.306816Z", "author": "Gerdih", "date": "2011-04-17T01:36:55+0100", "id": "5b1bb103a34be3b6c4190d04fddfad6d", "post_id": "post-218120", "text": "who can explain me the sense of three shields in the back of the ship?http:\/\/www.benprocter.com\/picture\/isv_venturestar_componentdiagram.jpg?pictureId=8071347", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.162023424Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-19T18:03:13+0000", "id": "e5220a08a475d3009ebebe61e90afc60", "post_id": "post-250169", "text": "Spaceflight Now: \"Poor weather forecast delays Japanese cargo mission\".Florida Today: \"KSC cargo teams reset for a new era\".", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.191861248Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-05-04T13:11:27+0100", "id": "599e9df50e644428b88c70ea49cdf638", "post_id": "post-221482", "text": "Here's the latest from MekTek:*UPDATE*We are very aware that some of you are having problems using MTX to download and install the free release of Mechwarrior4: Mercenaries. We are currently preparing a self extracting executable to install the game without using MTX.This new release will require a new download, but should alleviate any of the issues of installing via MTX.This new release will contain some bug fixes for Mercs, and we will prepare a patch for those of you who have been successfully installing and updating via MTX as well as executable patches to bring any version previously downloaded, up to date.Once this new version clears our beta team, it will be made available for download in your BitTorrent client of choice. Please be patient as this may take a few days.We will continue to work on ironing out the bugs in MTX, until then, we will provide an alternate way to acquire the game and updates through the self installing executables.We apologize for any inconvenience.Good hunting.The MekTek Team.\n\n", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.6019712Z", "author": "EtherDragon", "date": "2010-05-05T16:14:06+0100", "id": "a071ee8bf379429e01dc87673ceca74c", "post_id": "post-218639", "text": "Here we go...Where,V=DeltaV and is known (you choose a DeltaV you require)I=Isp and is known (You choose an Isp you like)f=fuel mass (Solve for this)m=empty mass (When given this)For a given DeltaV and Isp you can determine the weight to fuel ratio as follows:V = I*ln(m\/(m+f))V\/I = ln(m\/(m+f))e^(V\/I) = m\/(m+f)(m+f)\/m = 1\/(e^(V\/I))1+f\/m = 1\/(e^(V\/I))f\/m = 1\/(e^(V\/I)) -1f = m\/(e^(V\/I)) - malternately, to get m when given f:f\/m = 1\/(e^(V\/I)) -1m\/f = (e^(V\/I)) -1m = f*(e^(V\/I)) - fI think... try that and see how it goes.---------- Post added at 08:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:06 AM ----------ar81 said:How do I estimate burn time?\n\nBurn time is simple, it's your flow rate over time. Burn time has no impact on Isp or DeltaV, instead, burn time is inversely praportional to thrust.Given equivelent Isp:High thrust over a short time yields the same dV as low thrust over a long time.", "thread_id": 13939 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.525396992Z", "author": "alrik", "date": "2008-08-15T18:51:45+0100", "id": "1e263f067ed73a0dc1c4afd20d4cb16c", "post_id": "post-68999", "text": "Hi again KuddelI'm with you in the point that we should inform the author about this new interesting info. I supose that he will see this posts in the upcoming days.Anyway I've finished the documentation about the class:http:\/\/docs.google.com\/Doc?id=dhcphp4h_54zsgr8wm2Everyone can see it on google docs. PDF incomming.-----Posted Added-----I have another question:What exactly means \"OrbConnect::recv returned 0; closing\"On the OrbConnect code it represent the next:-> iResult = recv(clients.at(lParam).TCPClient, recvbuf, recvbuflen, 0);if (iResult == 0){oapiWriteLog(\"OrbConnect::recv returned 0; closing\");closesocket(clients.at(lParam).TCPClient);ReleaseMutex(clients.at(lParam).mutex);return 1;}Why this error happens? (I can reproduce it in DG Mk 4 in orbit mission making connections every 0.3 secs)It crash orbiter minutes later.I've seen the orbiter log and its filled with \"OrbConnect::recv returned 0; closing\" messages.With 0.5 secs the program looks not to crash but stay login errors.Any Ideas?", "thread_id": 1623 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.532450816Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-04-20T14:58:37+0100", "id": "c96a86b6089b61071bd735eef9fef2ca", "post_id": "post-218481", "text": "Hielor said:Not sure what trains you're riding, but they aren't American ones. American commuter trains have top speeds of like 55-60mph, and you'll also likely have stops along the route. In a car you could easily be zipping along at 70-85 (depending on state and location). Also see a couple posts above me for anecdotal evidence of cars being faster.\n\nWasn't talking about speed. I mean I can get to Chicago from New Orleans in about 20 hours. The car ride is probably around 15 hours (never done it myself). If you go straight through with only short stops for gas, then yeah it's shorter. If you want to eat two meals, you can expect anywhere between one or two hours extra. 15-minute bathroom breaks at rest areas add up. And if you're gonna stay overnight, then that's 8-10 hours right there.So unless you're a hardcore driver, the train is probably gonna get you there faster.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.326418176Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-05-05T04:04:15+0100", "id": "9c85fa8da38d200a7d4363f0fdfd48bd", "post_id": "post-221642", "text": "TSPenguin said:CamStudio codec can be downloaded on theirwebsite.\n\nDownload the codec on that site and install it. It should play fine after that.", "thread_id": 14115 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.441046016Z", "author": "HarvesteR", "date": "2011-03-16T04:58:38+0000", "id": "56b46efcc38821c3636a4058c4ea536e", "post_id": "post-250576", "text": "Ok, here's my battlestation (although I prefer 'Command Bridge')... My pride and joy, I call it:BigRig Mk 7This is how I normally fly... lights dim so the orbiting experience is improvedHere it is again with more lights on:The setup (or the parts of it worthy of note) is a Core i7 920, Geforce GTX 460, Matrox TripleHead2Go, Saitek X52 Pro, Saitek Rudder Pedals, 3DConnexion SpaceNavigator (aka little blue thingy left of the keyboard), TrackIR 5, Microsoft Sidewinder X6 keyboard, Logitech X-550 sound system, Wacom Intuos 3 tablet (not Orbiter-related, but useful), 3 LG 1952h LCDs, some Super Mario decorations, and the DG paper model from OrbitHangar:hailprobe:.It's not too visible in the shots, but I removed the arms off the chair, since they collided with the desk keyboard tray... I replaced them with L-shaped pieces that I scored from work, they were about to send a bunch of pieces to be machine-cut out of MDF... I just had my friend draw up the parts in Rhino;)Cheers", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.514295552Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2008-05-12T17:25:51+0100", "id": "cf36fa91f972922d325f29ee7f3e8349", "post_id": "post-65266", "text": "+1 for me too.It would be quite interesting to see how long I am acually on Orbiter... :speakcool:", "thread_id": 1414 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.585319168Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-04-20T18:29:20+0100", "id": "e735054bd74f268707bbf0a800b0de34", "post_id": "post-218603", "text": "Too bad that it's just a PC looking like a Commodore.I'm more interested in projects likeNatami.", "thread_id": 13935 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.343046144Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-08-29T17:11:47+0100", "id": "5b5fb1200c87bcc9ad92bed943e5fa5b", "post_id": "post-250360", "text": "NASA Watch: \"NASA Assists Trapped Miners in Chile\".New Scientist: \"How astronauts' experience could help trapped miners\".Canadian Astronaut Bob Thirsk is being brought in!:)WHAT NOW? Rescuers call in Canadian astronaut for help.NASA TV Video: \"Interview about NASA assistance to trapped miners in Chile\".\u200b[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=z3aH4VQ-TDQ\"]YouTube- Interview about NASA assistance to trapped miners in Chile[\/ame]Associated Press Release:NASA TV Airs Interview Excerpts About Assistance To Trapped Miners In Chile.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.840951296Z", "author": "Fabri91", "date": "2013-09-13T12:11:23+0100", "id": "95cffba7b642e6a2f28cef534b9569ed", "post_id": "post-222304", "text": "It's amazing that, should ever a global catstrophe of any kind wipe out our species, both Voyagers and any other probe on an escape trajectory will continue to go on for a darn long time!:)", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.710707712Z", "author": "n72.75", "date": "2010-04-17T05:04:47+0100", "id": "85d86bbf4771e742240c9a85d7f034d8", "post_id": "post-217618", "text": "dumbo2007 said:Turn off Shadows.\n\nn72.75 said:...regardless of settings.\n\nAlso, after termination, Orbiter remains in the processes list.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.86614144Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-08-22T22:45:00+0100", "id": "c86f4c9efb38a196af686f187649240e", "post_id": "post-249779", "text": "My name for this thing would have been OUCH, but whatever works for ya...", "thread_id": 16165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.899141632Z", "author": "Timothy Joseph", "date": "2010-05-02T14:16:19+0100", "id": "ec90a566f3f2733eee8c85a8eef97dc8", "post_id": "post-221257", "text": "Is there any update available to the 2008 Firefly Jumbo which adds UMMU\/UCGO support? Or would there be any way of manually adding support? Its a great ship and I love to fly it, I just kinda wish it had a crew.", "thread_id": 14090 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.882432512Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-04-21T03:45:29+0100", "id": "3794925f29c068911db57b61912e1add", "post_id": "post-217820", "text": "---------- Post added at 02:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:43 AM ----------PhantomCruiser said:Here lately I find myself spending more time reading the forum that flying in Orbiter\n\nSame here.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.913444864Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-09-03T21:38:17+0100", "id": "2cddc8c89f3f795ffa2439902b639917", "post_id": "post-249852", "text": "i dont know with the amount of apollos i destroyed wow:lol:", "thread_id": 16171 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.32652544Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T04:44:30+0100", "id": "63dc0d66c7ad276ce770e5a26b32ecd6", "post_id": "post-221643", "text": "Sigh...I had already downloaded and installed that codec and its a no go...", "thread_id": 14115 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.037535488Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-04-17T22:10:22+0100", "id": "facca2447154cec3fbf122f2367b6913", "post_id": "post-217986", "text": "But it can still be used as a medium scale launcher that allows for expansion as a heavier vehicle if the need ever arises.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.097232384Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-08-24T01:41:27+0100", "id": "032a1c5679d308f9b9bc15b82a8c7a79", "post_id": "post-250076", "text": "Mantis said:I want it to adequately portray the Taliban as the animals that they are.\n\nI spent half of my life in that region. I have taliban friends, and I can be in fact considered a taliban. I have a beard, long hair for the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad. The hospitality towards guests, family values, the general treatment of one another is such that the western world can't even imagine.People there (not in Pakistan, I mean the \"pathan\", afghani people) are selfless.If anything, it is the western world that is barbaric and animal like. I hope to dear god that someday by some miracle westerners will learn to read a book.", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.451588608Z", "author": "n0mad23", "date": "2008-05-12T19:32:44+0100", "id": "774d2446b9c39ffe8c9f9f447624d1bf", "post_id": "post-65262", "text": "santy86 said:Never try to save a string which is NULL in the scenario file :rofl:\n\nNow here are words for all to learn from. Thanks for posting this.", "thread_id": 1413 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.044625152Z", "author": "2552", "date": "2010-04-18T03:04:28+0100", "id": "1683b11fbe1d89d3aae534a13cea45cf", "post_id": "post-217989", "text": "It's simple. Low fixed-cost, high flight rate launchers (medium lift) are more cost-effective than high fixed-cost, low flight-rate launchers (HLV) for the same total payload.Zatnikitelman said:Like the DeltaIV and Atlas V...\n\nBecause they aren't being used as much as it was thought they would, and because they are two different launchers, so they can't leverage each other's flight rate. With the plannedCommon Centaur upper stage, and eventually ACES, they can share some costs though. And ifthiswas the new NASA Exploration plan, Atlas V and Delta IV would have a much higher flight rate. Would be cool to have that as an Orbiter addon.", "thread_id": 13887 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.598512128Z", "author": "Stevodoran", "date": "2010-08-28T00:07:29+0100", "id": "e56b9dfbee7d91d4f111c176ab309cad", "post_id": "post-250988", "text": "ok thanks", "thread_id": 16251 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.676785408Z", "author": "dutchErik", "date": "2010-05-08T14:54:18+0100", "id": "84f5d06e10d62f789d2d44b0b2968291", "post_id": "post-222165", "text": "Hello people,I want to make my own Xwing fighter for orbiter.But I am new to 3d modelling. I did a bit of research and I heard that the Blender programme is a good one.Are there any step by step tutorials on how to make a airplane or rocket in blender?And that is, writen in a way that even a newbe can understand.Thanks for your help....(the reference photo)", "thread_id": 14158 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.304348416Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-04-16T22:45:31+0100", "id": "1d14a5b978e931122f76a7b285d7b1f9", "post_id": "post-218100", "text": "True.What I don't get is why they just didnt nuke Pandora from orbit after they got pushed out. :facepalm: Stupid.That would avoid the sequel thats bound to happen.lol i did like avatar though.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.608550912Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-08-29T15:09:21+0100", "id": "8dd725f54f4ce824bb2114ce1df90416", "post_id": "post-251016", "text": "Because I want to know if it's limited, not it it's unlimited:)What I really meant was this:Code:if ( ! oapiReadItem_bool ( fh, \"UnlimitedFuel\", unlimited) )\n{\n unlimited = false;\n}which looks weird, but has to stay this way, as long as there's no \"UnlimitedFuel = FALSE\" ever.", "thread_id": 16253 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.234312448Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-04T17:58:44+0100", "id": "678698c0789082c27045ce1ac0fb2343", "post_id": "post-221540", "text": "n122vu said:MeDiCS, I would agree. In my opinion, in the last ten years we've gone from \"anybody who's anybody or wants people to notice their product, service, etc, has to have a website\" to \"has to have a facebook page.\"In fact, most television commercials now (at least in my area) have gone from listing the website at the bottom to displaying and some even announcing \"follow us on facebook and twitter.\"\n\nI also have heard business people talking about LinkedIn social network for business. I do not see myself updating an account and spending my spare time to grow a social network. I think I am kind of geeky and not very good for socializing in a place where money is the center of everything.Here people know I am weird. Not all people like space, programming and piloting. It is a turn off if you intend to go for women or if you go to business people.---------- Post added at 04:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:56 PM ----------garyw said:of course. Think of little johnny in a far away land and the parents want to keep in touch with him via a webcam. They are users.Think of travelling joe who is using the web to update his photo journal.Think of a friend of mine who is disabled and housebound and who uses the internet for connecting to people that she couldn't otherwise meet.\n\nSo do I belong to the \"elite\":)lol: let me laugh at myself by pretending arrogance :lol::rofl:)as I do some newbie coding in Visual Basic? :tiphat::cheers:", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.53182848Z", "author": "Timothy Joseph", "date": "2010-04-20T14:17:28+0100", "id": "974af5b02fd808188f7d26e661acb6bf", "post_id": "post-218475", "text": "I'll just leave this here.[nomedia=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=03kVU2FYl6U\"]YouTube- Evacuated Tube Transportation Technology - ET3 (Extended Version)[\/nomedia]", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.844970496Z", "author": "fireballs619", "date": "2010-08-22T16:57:05+0100", "id": "ab238afd435ff483a012ab0583fb8065", "post_id": "post-249724", "text": ":welcome:back!", "thread_id": 16162 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.294737664Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-05-08T09:50:55+0100", "id": "1cfcc1cc64ca1004fe498c7b38bf69db", "post_id": "post-221583", "text": "loyalj said:So then your real issue is with the business cases surrounding various flavours of video delivery... but HTML5 is to blame?Dude, if you worked in tech I would not hire you until you put down the holy water.\n\nHTML 5 failed to specify a video codec standard. Leaving it to the wolves to fight it out.Adobe just works.I don't work in tech I work in grocery :hello:Edit: Also apple will be fine? They are facing a gov inquiry about their lockout (A curiosity that few people here mention) Patient infringement lawsuits (Have to just laugh at that one with their statements about theora)Youtube has its HTML5 player. Its not even worth watching cat videos on. Of course no fullscreen on my browser. (Maybe Firefox does not want to open the option for ads to fullscreen popup videos about whatever)", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.439625984Z", "author": "TSPenguin", "date": "2010-04-18T22:05:30+0100", "id": "4f000161242fc2470fb5d2339e28a901", "post_id": "post-218221", "text": "KosmoKen said:If it's signed \"President\", then maybe Mr. Obama should front the bill?\n\nI second that motion!", "thread_id": 13907 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.096532992Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-08-23T22:20:02+0100", "id": "ae2c99317c1ce1321ba0026440bbfc8a", "post_id": "post-250071", "text": "SiberianTiger said:Why is it a big deal? I spent my teen ages shooting down MiGs in flight simulators and watching Rambo. How much harm did it do to me?\n\nYea, you'll see when the KGB comes and takes you away in a black van...", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.544640768Z", "author": "Ark", "date": "2010-05-07T23:29:12+0100", "id": "3f58e176b029cf9558497de02d91b2da", "post_id": "post-222051", "text": "I need to learn how to short sell, it sounds like the only way to make real money in the market.", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.54007936Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2010-04-20T11:43:28+0100", "id": "b1b867837626c39f48f9facd9ea47745", "post_id": "post-218493", "text": "Hi Artlav,I have no idea of what travelling through a wormhole should look like, but after a some search, i found this page:http:\/\/www.spacetimetravel.org\/wurmlochflug\/wurmlochflug.htmlThe pics shown there seem to correspond very nicely with yours.There is also a video and a link named Destination Black Hole:http:\/\/www.spacetimetravel.org\/reiseziel\/reiseziel.htmlHope these help.", "thread_id": 13925 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.1672896Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-01-31T19:38:01+0000", "id": "e1759d78437bca8032cd588088ec8b36", "post_id": "post-250211", "text": "From ISS On-Orbit Status Report for 31\/01\/2011.Preparatory to the transfer of the new JAXA Kobairo (\"stork\") rack from HTV-2 (H-II Transfer Vehicle-2), CDR Scott Kelly & FE-5 Paolo Nespoli removed rack front stowage in Bay 1 and temporarily stowed it in the HTV-2 endcone.Later, Scott & FE-6 Cady Coleman had several hours set aside for transferring the Kobairo rack from HTV-2 to the JPM (JEM Pressurized Module) and installing it at location Forward 3 (F3), including removing its protective launch locks.Cady afterwards completed mating rack umbilicals, connecting them to the F3 Z-Panel, i.e., a UIP (Utility Interface Panel).In the JPM, Scott activated the RLT (Robotics Laptop Terminal) and set up the DOUG (Dynamic Onboard Ubiquitous Graphics) application for the upcoming HTV-2 EP (Exposed Pallet) extract\/insert activities with the SSRMS (Space Station Remote Manipulator System). [Used mostly during Robotics\/SSRMS operations, DOUG is a software program on the MSS (Mobile Servicing System) RWS (Robotics Workstation) laptops that provides a graphical birds eye-view image of the up-to-date external station & robot arm configuration on a laptop for study of external ops.]Later, Cady maneuvered the SSRMS to the EP pre-grapple position on the side of HTV-2, and Scott completed the grapple.With the video equipment covering the training activity, Paolo & Cady worked with the ROBoT (Robotics On Board Trainer) to simulate\/rehearse using the SSRMS for tomorrow's extraction of the EP from the HTV, moving it to the JEF (Japanese Exposed Facility) \"veranda\" and returning it later to the HTV for insertion. Afterwards, the video hardware was stowed again.All crewmembers conducted a 15 minute HTV-2 Emergency Procedure Review, intended to familiarize them with the location of HTV hardware used in emergencies, key reminders for HTV emergency response topics and all hatches plus the ability to rapidly clear hatchways in emergencies, paying detailed attention to cables and all other obstructions at hatchways. [The review included verification of the integrity of all hatch rubber seals and availability of foot restraints.]", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.774789376Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-09T18:18:55+0100", "id": "5294cb20c42c5abb094f0594d6d9b32c", "post_id": "post-222221", "text": "markl316 said:IIRC, orbiter 2005 had a sun glare effect. I don't know why it was taken out though.\n\nWas extremely buggy and not very realistic", "thread_id": 14168 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.6360832Z", "author": "eveningsky339", "date": "2010-04-22T17:49:40+0100", "id": "8989cc0ebf15e8a5cc909dca21a9c512", "post_id": "post-218689", "text": "PhantomCruiser said:Well, just because an MFD is available, it doesn't mean that it HAS to be used.I flew the DGIV for about 18 months before I discovered that it had a docking autopilot. And even now, I still don't use it.I could see a big use for it in something like TTM24, where the LANTIR is docking with the refueling station while the user is busy docking to the lander. Or a great video where multiple craft are docking simultaneously.\n\nAgreed!I think that concerns about docking become too simple are entirely valid, but no onehasto use the MFD.Take IMFD for example. Its complex autopilot programs make interplanetary trips easy in comparison to the stock Transfer MFD. However, when I want to do some hard stuff, I switch over to Transx and manually set my trajectory.It's all up to the end user's personal preference.", "thread_id": 13944 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.269006592Z", "author": "ACSoft", "date": "2010-08-27T11:21:05+0100", "id": "3230db8ab57e999bd5e268c4b6dc0664", "post_id": "post-250301", "text": "Mantis said:Thanks ACSoft. This is my favorite addon bar none and it would be fantastic to get the LRV working. That scenario does indeed CTD for me. My Orbiter log is below. In the other scenarios, everything works flawlessly until the very instant that deployment and movement of the LRV is completed. At that exact point it crashes.\n\nHi Mantis,Please follow the judicious advise of tblaxland and deactivate all the plugin modules, except OrbiterSound. This will eliminate a lot of potential reasons for the crash.I would like you also try the \"post-deployment\" scenario published in my previous message (copy the contain of the window into your notepad and save it into \"Orbiter\\scenario\" as \"LRV-test.scn\" file and run this scenario). The precise point you described, where you get the CTD, correspond to the creation of the LRV vessel itself (just after the LRV turn on itself). This is why I suspect the problem belong to LRV vessel and probably not to the LRV deployment itself (which is are multiple and complex animations of a folded LRV mesh which belong to the LM vessel).If the included scenario crash, it will confirm that the problem belong only to the LRV vessel module and as nothing to do with LM vessel module. But if you can run this scenario and use the LRV, I will know that the CTD is linked with this very particular situation: The LRV vessel creation just after deployment.To know this information will allow me to prepare some furhter \"debug materials\" I will publish here, so you can test.ACS", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.830473984Z", "author": "IronRain", "date": "2011-06-10T08:08:41+0100", "id": "9f40c1a84f456af24408c67bdc5737ef", "post_id": "post-222244", "text": "^", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.428114688Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-05-06T22:03:30+0100", "id": "27c63fc62143b06225703c50e4e32f7a", "post_id": "post-221800", "text": "Actually, since it's a final r, the difference isn't too great if you're comparing against a British dialect. Both British and German tend to leave off final r's.\n\nthere's more than one r in there, you know...;)", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.380881664Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-08-25T09:35:21+0100", "id": "b92cb7faf197cddfe3286a76267f9648", "post_id": "post-250503", "text": "IgnoreThisBarrel said:Long exposure photos of the moon have always confused me.\n\nYes - it's weird to see a photo taken at 22:45 showing a blue sky, and weirder to see a blue sky with stars trails! I was inspired to take this photo after seeing an APOD a while back:http:\/\/antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov\/apod\/ap100315.html", "thread_id": 16204 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.461373696Z", "author": "JMW", "date": "2010-05-07T09:26:58+0100", "id": "10c4c9a219da7eb8bd4e921655a7093a", "post_id": "post-221828", "text": "Have you tried taking everything else out of the scenario except your two mis-behaving ships?Code:BEGIN_DESC\nContains the latest simulation state.\nEND_DESC\nBEGIN_ENVIRONMENT\n System Sol\n Date MJD 55198.7303634225\nEND_ENVIRONMENT\nBEGIN_FOCUS\n Ship HL-20\nEND_FOCUS\nBEGIN_CAMERA\n TARGET HL-20\n MODE Extern\n POS 3.31 -40.91 -20.06\n TRACKMODE TargetRelative\n FOV 50.00\nEND_CAMERA\nBEGIN_HUD\n TYPE Surface\nEND_HUD\nBEGIN_PANEL\nEND_PANEL\n \nBEGIN_SHIPS\nHL-20:HL20\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 6935915.79 0.00 1003340.16\n RVEL -1079.731 0.000 7463.993\n AROT 0.00 0.00 0.00\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nPMA:Well-pma\n STATUS Orbiting Earth\n RPOS 6987885.32 0.00 532051.21\n RVEL -572.560 0.000 7519.920\n AROT 0.00 0.00 0.00\n NAVFREQ 0 0\nEND\nEND_SHIPS", "thread_id": 14132 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.133572864Z", "author": "Dambuster", "date": "2010-05-03T18:00:05+0100", "id": "98041ebe44896a794dcf37b65194cd21", "post_id": "post-221394", "text": "RIP Guenter.", "thread_id": 14101 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.608084992Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-08-29T10:50:49+0100", "id": "fcc64c35976f0b704223828d2c6b22d5", "post_id": "post-251012", "text": "Oh, I didn't know that is was deprecated! I need to update all my addons.[DELETED] - misinformation", "thread_id": 16253 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.182539008Z", "author": "george7378", "date": "2010-05-08T10:19:11+0100", "id": "174ac60356c3fd1f24d481430fb74f90", "post_id": "post-221453", "text": "Orbinaut Pete said:If you want some good sightings, just wait until Atlantis is on-orbit this time next week - you'll see 3 dots in a row (ISS, Progress M-04M\/36P, and Atlantis) [not necessarily in that order]! :speakcool:\n\nGreat - I hope I get clear skies! I would love to see the Progress and the Shuttle too.Thanks Tycho - it is one of the greatest things I have seen. It makes you feel a lot closer to space.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.818866944Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-05-02T12:46:36+0100", "id": "93f5f71eff4dbf32dfffbad3f2b0ec75", "post_id": "post-221240", "text": "garyw said:Personally, I'd like to have email used for just plain text communications and have items downloadable from a website as I'm fed up of seeing HTML emails where the actual content size is smaller than all the stuff thats required just to render the page.\n\nBut it has to look flashy and cool!!!!!!!!!! But!!! But...", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.452582144Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-08-26T23:31:21+0100", "id": "8ae6b9cc7dbe8bd58220ab65ac2bb600", "post_id": "post-250639", "text": "BBC News: \"Kepler spies Saturn-sized worlds\".MSNBC Cosmic Log: \"Planets' clockwork goes crazy\".NASA TV Video: \"First Multi-Planet System Discovered by Kepler\".\u200b", "thread_id": 16212 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.426709504Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-06T13:25:31+0100", "id": "a738b394dbe089534699143afa7b15eb", "post_id": "post-221785", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:Urwumpe, How do you spell orbiter in German?\n\nOscar Romeo Bravo India Tango Echo Romeo", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.922704128Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-05T09:13:38+0100", "id": "7028290c47d715f143116b5c00be87f8", "post_id": "post-221281", "text": "DaveS said:Surface MFD still have an garbled look, almost to the point of unreadability. See attached screenshot.\n\nTo be fixed eventually. Can't tell what exactly causes it.DaveS said:No PAPI\/VASI lights at the SLF\n\nThe landing lights along the runway that helps one line up?No idea where they are in the core's data, would fix once found.DaveS said:No air-shade with ray-traced atmosphere. No way to have both?\n\nShould be some, but it's safe to say that this is not yet implemented properly.tl8 said:Artlav, a dumb user POV, I have an ATI card and the only thing that seems to of happened is that the yellow text at the top of the screen is missing.I don't know what setting I should be trying or anything like that though\n\nWhat happens when you cycle thru cockpit modes in the shuttle-A or DG?Any crashes if you do the same in two provided scenarios?Will the text reappear if you update to OGLAClient 100504?anakin said:With the new version, everything works *except* the raytraced atmosphere.\n\nLucky, because i just swatted a bug that causes ISS to vanish and Shuttle to burst into triangles on some systems.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.158252288Z", "author": "Kyle", "date": "2010-10-20T23:19:08+0100", "id": "9494daef670caa8332f841bc77e7af41", "post_id": "post-250141", "text": "Pete does NSF articles? Did not know that! Lucky you pete.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.6282688Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-05-09T21:18:20+0100", "id": "4115ca4d768228a97d8e44945f24c485", "post_id": "post-222076", "text": "It looks like OGLA apparently doesn't support hiding\/showing mesh groups at runtime yet, and so the heating mesh remains visible after it is loaded. Nothing I can do on this end, mate, sorry, except possibly add an option to disable the heating mesh feature.:)", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.924729088Z", "author": "Fixerger", "date": "2010-05-08T15:46:21+0100", "id": "f4ae4ae6f2c4ff2159ffc0f07ebdf6c4", "post_id": "post-221307", "text": "How to reproduce? Or, does it just happen in DG every time?\n\nEvery time, my video card has corrupted memory but it has problem only with that center MFD, works good on standard renderer.Problem with empty lines is maybe fixed. I need to look at it more.Crash found - when you press TGT in map mfd and choosing some target.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.273019392Z", "author": "Turbo", "date": "2010-09-03T05:08:37+0100", "id": "edef3d008c549cebc5002862af9bb05d", "post_id": "post-250322", "text": "Test2 also fixed my CTD on the Rover(didnt try test1). Using 2010P1 with Vista x64. Thanks!", "thread_id": 16191 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.775241472Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-09T20:45:48+0100", "id": "c843e0acab4a701a61f5675d9ebc659a", "post_id": "post-222223", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:What, not realistic.FSXuses it. Realistic for cameras.SSM2007uses it. Most realistic shuttlesimulatorI know is SSM2007. Orbiter is just the most realistic physics space simulator. It needs it for an enable\/disable Module, Especially for movies.\n\nNow, after those examples... how close are you to reality today?Also, SSM2007 is a Switch simulator. It doesn't simulate a Space Shuttle at all. It only checks if you throw the right switches for progressing to the next mission phase. The actual switch position is never resulting directly in different vessel states.Once you can initiate an GPC IPL in SSM2007, I will be impressed...currently SSU is closer to it. Realism is more than just an interactive movie.you can only get a lens flare for special cases of camera optics. The Space Shuttle payload bay camera can for example have lens flares only for a very tiny range of angles from the center line of the field of view, and these lens flares look NOWHERE like what you get in crappy video games.http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lens_flare", "thread_id": 14168 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.074113024Z", "author": "tblaxland", "date": "2011-04-20T06:16:21+0100", "id": "5d83acf868ad593f17a7875b0e215c00", "post_id": "post-221384", "text": "The balloon is expected to land today:Huge NASA space balloon to land in outbackA multi-million dollar scientific balloon is drifting over outback Queensland and is expected to land today somewhere near Longreach.It is carrying two tonnes of equipment to study the centre of the Milky Way galaxy.Ravi Sood from the Balloon Launching Centre says the timing and location of the landing will depend on wind conditions.He says people may see it in the sky.\"It will not appear huge in the sky, but you can see it very, very clearly,\" he said.\"It really stands out like a very bright star. The dimensions are roughly the size of the MCG, so you are talking about 1.3 million cubic metres. It is huge, it is absolutely enormous.\"\n\nCurrent distance made good is 1108 km.", "thread_id": 14099 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.35165824Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-10-14T19:08:19+0100", "id": "a88f79a548da4b15ddd48bfc3dc598eb", "post_id": "post-250411", "text": "O-F Staff Note: The above \"Last miner of the 33 rescued!\" post was moved from a separate thread.", "thread_id": 16193 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.200608512Z", "author": "Spike Spiegel", "date": "2010-05-04T00:48:31+0100", "id": "2cb64c3f11688c92e80c9f15cee37756", "post_id": "post-221506", "text": "Just found out about this anime \"Rocket Girls\" due to Naoko Yamazaki's involvement. Anyone seen it? I watched a clip of it on YouTube. Seems mildly interesting and appears to feature modern rocket technology.http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/results?search_query=rocket+girls", "thread_id": 14106 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.09270528Z", "author": "n0mad23", "date": "2008-02-10T03:55:52+0000", "id": "55dc0e8f83193e44759d39da80a829cd", "post_id": "post-12291", "text": "Different paradigm is all - I've been suspecting there'd be a new one coming soon. It's one of the human experiences where a lot of paradoxes are experienced.Who hasn't experienced deja-vu before? It's unsettling in the implications. What do you do with clairvoyance then? How is freewill and the random possible if you can have glimpses of the future?Seems like the easiest way out is to go in the same direction as light. It's a wave and particle, just apparently not at the same time.I hope I can find his paper. I should, since I have college library access. I'd like to see exactly where he's going with this.", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.465917696Z", "author": "MisterBurkes", "date": "2010-08-26T08:36:10+0100", "id": "3034de8ab0916637b2442305a66699da", "post_id": "post-250666", "text": "Hm i do not see a Point in this.I tried it out but i lost interest.:tiphat:", "thread_id": 16216 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.234491392Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-04T19:36:39+0100", "id": "7da4288780a34f7537331ea7990ba898", "post_id": "post-221542", "text": "Well, it seems to be a universal pattern around this world that there are much less creators than consumers.Only a handfull of composers, millions of musicians, billions of listeners.", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.38879744Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-05T23:03:47+0100", "id": "1000b7ba6f09270291fa47c44ae830c1", "post_id": "post-221764", "text": "It seems to me that I also need to document how to use objects in my code.After a few months I will not remember how to use the object.So I think preproduction design will be a key part of design.It also looks like having a flat structure of objects seems better.", "thread_id": 14125 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.525714176Z", "author": "yagni01", "date": "2008-11-05T23:27:53+0000", "id": "17acd5b54269b1b7fbd7b65878670f08", "post_id": "post-69003", "text": "KOS said:hello allI've tried to use the system with Orbiter MC but I always get this messagehow do I fix this ?\n\nThat would be an OrbiterMC question, or maybe someone with .NET experience. I would post a new message in the Addon support forum and mention OrbiterMC in the title", "thread_id": 1623 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.667935488Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-05-08T08:18:10+0100", "id": "51c6c222a40ddf31c997a301027b2168", "post_id": "post-222158", "text": "http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/hi\/technology\/10102398.stmPrevious studies have looked at what would happen when large heavy robots bump into people. However, the German study is thought to be the first to look at the slashing injuries robots could cause.\n\nThats how these things start, small slashes, then its global domination.http:\/\/www.dlr.de\/rm-neu\/en\/desktopdefault.aspx\/tabid-3761\/steals your beer too!http:\/\/www.dlr.de\/rm-neu\/en\/desktopdefault.aspx\/tabid-3761\/6104_read-216\/N.", "thread_id": 14156 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.478618112Z", "author": "Sky IsNoLimit", "date": "2010-05-11T22:08:02+0100", "id": "a677e771bc21ffecf610c23f7b911f14", "post_id": "post-221846", "text": "Ah, ok now I understand. I thought that we use the assumption that M >> m, where the mass of the planet is neglectable compared to the mass of the sun. If you want to analyse the more general case where two bodies are orbiting each other then the standard gravitational parameter would indeed be G(M+m). So I would say finally we have two cases here. The second case is more precise but also more complicated and it's up to you if you want to follow that road:1. M >> m (m neglectable):e = - G M \/ 2aE = - G m M \/ 2a2. m not neglectable:e = - G (M+m) \/ 2aE = - G m (M+m) \/ 2awith e, E the specific and total orbital energy of the orbiting body respectively.Now to the other question: Is the law of conservation of energy still valid (where did all the potential energy go?):)Let's assume we have the first case here and that M >> m and the mass of the star at the beginning is M+dm. So the potential energy of the planet at a distance r from the center of the sun would be:U1 = - G (M+dm) m \/ rAfter the sun has ejected the mass dm to outer space the potential energy of the planet is:U2 = - G M m \/ rPlease note that U2 > U1, so the planet is actually gaining not losing energy!And the difference in energy is:dE = U2 - U1 = [- (G M m) + (G (M+dm) m)] \/ r = (-G M m + G M m + G m dm) \/ r = G m dm \/ rThis is exactly the potential energy of dm with distance r relative to the planet. Or in other words exactly the energy that the ejected mass dm needs to overcome the gravitational field of the planet. So finally one can say that by ejecting mass to outer space, the sun transfers energy to the orbiting planet of the amount G m dm \/ r.", "thread_id": 14135 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.933952Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-08-24T17:56:18+0100", "id": "7db5d7656a053ff768c73bd1afd9f9a8", "post_id": "post-249904", "text": "Everything that people have suggested that Multiplayer would bring has either already been implemented in Orbiter or via a programme like OFSS or is better off in something like eve and not orbiter.\n\nYou see... that's the problem. Orbiter has real physics, but the ships fly through eachother, and the planets are flat, and the people have to be simulated as spaceships... etc. Games like EVE have all that, but their spaceships fly like fighter jets.Now, I'm not saying that Orbiter should become EVE, or EVE should become Orbiter, or that I would even find an Orbiter Multiplayer fun to use, but the idea of a software\/game\/simulator that bridges the gap between Orbiter and less realistic but more dynamic games is an interesting one to ponder.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.74028416Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2010-05-09T00:55:51+0100", "id": "dda97997a5b549a1e8735644cb90cd4e", "post_id": "post-222200", "text": "supersonic said:That would be a good idea.\n\nNo.If you want a vessel to attract others, Orbiter's API allows you to code that...", "thread_id": 14165 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.843316224Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2018-12-10T19:50:02+0000", "id": "1eacf15f2b8c27977cd79a8e777bd578", "post_id": "post-222319", "text": "Nasa's Voyager 2 probe 'leaves the Solar System'The Voyager 2 probe, which left Earth in 1977, has become the second human-made object to leave our Solar System.It was launched 16 days before its twin craft, Voyager 1, but that probe's faster trajectory meant that it was in \"the space between the stars\" six years before Voyager 2.The news was revealed at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in Washington.And chief scientist on the mission, Prof Edward Stone, confirmed it.\n\nhttps:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/science-environment-46502820", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.93677312Z", "author": "Spacethingy", "date": "2010-09-09T17:34:21+0100", "id": "1b39294c1ac6ddc1c0c7ef208fc4d576", "post_id": "post-249928", "text": "Going back to FSX, you could have some sort of ATC in Orbiter.The ATC could act as the \"warp minder\", while also watching activity around space stations and space ports. You could have different levels for different areas, e.g. controlling reentries, assigning docking ports etc.Radio frequencies could be simply different chat rooms that have been assigned to each area needing control. Some players could have the role of calling others players to organise whole journeys, especially to get transport from, say, Jupiter to Earth's surface.Maybe it would just be best to have a few players on one mission per game: that would solve warping issues.Mind you, you'd need one heck of a big server to cope with all the individual games...:idk:Orbiter's physics is hugely complicated - wouldn't anything below a several Mb\/s connection be useless? :shrug:", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.660082688Z", "author": "ionif", "date": "2010-07-05T07:03:01+0100", "id": "7404167d2215ab17111162ad5e93e852", "post_id": "post-222136", "text": "Lego:);):lol:", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.843371776Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2018-12-11T08:54:13+0000", "id": "a224de93be2261cbf7b167814a50f445", "post_id": "post-222320", "text": "How many times have the Voyagers left the Solar System previously?", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.385048064Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-08-25T15:05:24+0100", "id": "519d18bfc254baf411076f45c7c02017", "post_id": "post-250517", "text": "Xyon said:I'm sticking with \"Because:probe:said so\" as an answer.;)\n\nyep, i can roll with that as well:rolleyes:actually, i quite like the .msh format - it's quick, simple and readable enough to be edited by hand... plus, i've even written me up some MaxScript to make working with it quite straightforward (it's actually easier for me to export for Orbiter now than it was back when i made planes for FS2004)", "thread_id": 16206 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.660674816Z", "author": "Pilot7893", "date": "2010-07-16T14:03:22+0100", "id": "ad2f0de03170beafcbd7e2a286d734e9", "post_id": "post-222141", "text": "It's a shame the positioning of the attachment pins don't let me put the shuttle on upside down, because you know I would take a picture of that.", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.922288384Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-05-04T18:24:25+0100", "id": "9a759d54b499bfac31bca55ea3dcb6a3", "post_id": "post-221278", "text": "My report:Surface MFD still have an garbled look, almost to the point of unreadability. See attached screenshot.No PAPI\/VASI lights at the SLFNo air-shade with ray-traced atmosphere. No way to have both?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.436589056Z", "author": "Turbinator", "date": "2010-08-25T07:58:50+0100", "id": "32f717a21421f8b22d0a0927d6551c2d", "post_id": "post-250531", "text": "Since you still have a CRT monitor(haven't seen one of those in a while)you can do something amazing with it. It can be used to generate FM radio signals that your radio can pick up. So you can stream your MP3 music, or any other audio, trough your monitor; into your radio. To do this you need Linux, it can be one of those that run off a Live CD. Then you need a program called Tempest for Eliza.TEMPEST is a codename referring to investigations and studies done on compromising emission espionage.They could see your screen, based on the frequency it is emitting.Website right here (with pics):http:\/\/www.erikyyy.de\/tempest\/", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.926810112Z", "author": "Artlav", "date": "2010-05-10T18:17:25+0100", "id": "c7ec5d62777db4f9a69ae19c186b1376", "post_id": "post-221330", "text": "OGLAClient 100510:orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/oglaclient-100510_beta-100503.zipRequires Orbiter beta 100503 (maybe 100509).Raytraced haze tables:http:\/\/orbides.1gb.ru\/orbf\/ogla_earth_scatter.zipAnother batch of bugs swatted, this time it's the beautiful XR2 and good old DGIV that get the straight work fix.Changes:*Fixed mesh flags (XR2)*Fixed another animations bug (new XR2)*Fixed color key blending of GDI elements (DGIV and XR2 panels), Oh the FPS!tl8 said:Could this \"error\" be linked tothisone?\n\nThe lines? Wraparound due to some misalignment or misassumption, still investigating.Lack of textures? No idea, no reproduction.Disconnect said:-A band in atmosphere looking from lower angles in ray traced air mode:\n\nKinda known, to be fixed later.Disconnect said:- Poor fps with mapped shadows ( halved since the 1004XX release)\n\nHaven't been updated in a while.Disconnect said:you wrote, it's dgiv, but it isn't. It is plain simple delta glider, i don't remember what caused this issue, but i wrote it in the other topic.\n\nCorrect, if you look at what DGIV looks like in OGLA, you'll see it looks pretty much like that, so there goes the image.Disconnect said:you wrote: \"Mapped shadows won't work on old ATIs\"i don't think my hd 3850 is \"old\" it's just 3 years old gpu, but the mapped shadows are working on it, this bug appeared when i did certain things in game, but it worked before, and worked later after a restart.\n\nHm, wording needs some fixing, but the image resembles the variety of things you'll see with shadows not being supported properly, for example on an old GPU.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.927350784Z", "author": "Coolhand", "date": "2010-05-11T08:29:57+0100", "id": "0b57f8582b10f3e3e6b7f67b3e6e5ebf", "post_id": "post-221337", "text": "ok, that makes sense based on your example.. so spec power is stashed away in the alpha channel of a normal map. - unless that alpha somehow controls gloss, and its better if it doesnt really.however, even without gloss mapping, being able to see it with normal and specular mapping will be a great improvement over the old engine.:)btw, as a suggestion, another useful shading effect is using a fresnel or a falloff to help control a reflection map... for example, a metal material appears to be less reflective as it curves away, and a plastic material or something like paint is the exact opposite, more reflective looking at a glancing angle. you might use a falloff effect to create a planetary atmosphere, make it look thicker at the edges and transparent in the middle of the planet, so i expect you've encountered it before.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.549064704Z", "author": "diogom", "date": "2010-08-27T02:06:51+0100", "id": "ea9b25bcc4be9de8156d886e72cb6178", "post_id": "post-250904", "text": "I have Stellarium, it's a great program (but thanks for the sugestion anyway), but even with Stellarium it's being a little hard to find it. I'l try the triangle, if it doesn't work, I think I will have to wait for a sky with less moonlight.", "thread_id": 16237 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.16340352Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-03T19:40:48+0100", "id": "1f06903d7999004ab3973bc14b1db659", "post_id": "post-221426", "text": "cjp said:Yes, the war between DirectX and OpenGL does hurt the industry, or, IMHO, DirectX hurts the industry. But this is not different from other other cases in computer technology where there's not one widely accepted open standard.\n\nSome well known company hurts the industry by enforcing its ownstandardseven when there are already widely accepted open standards, like ODF being accepted to be ISO format.Pssst! It's just a matter of clicking on Save As and choosing doc, instead of clicking on Save.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.35932672Z", "author": "jarmonik", "date": "2010-05-06T08:27:52+0100", "id": "5e9d4cd004708dcc5872bf41fa9ec3f3", "post_id": "post-221730", "text": "Arrowstar said:I've looked up the term \"symplectic integrator\" on Wikipedia to get a general understanding. Jarmonik, can you elaborate a bit?\n\nI'm sorry I can't. I know they exist and that's pretty much it.There is also something about them in the Orbiter's tech notes and how they compare to RK methods.", "thread_id": 14121 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.498149376Z", "author": "Talon1", "date": "2010-08-26T10:03:00+0100", "id": "f7c452ff54993f4965a2c808131a1e11", "post_id": "post-250719", "text": "Artlav said:I'm afraid it's kind of pointless to ask.I no longer have the sources or memories from that version, and more recent one is quite different.There is no UMMU support whatsoever in the old version, neither there is a way to add pod engines (interesting idea, probably to be added).That version is quite dated, and not very stable.You can try various common-sense fixes, like making sure the program is running under Orbiter 2006P1 directory, etc.\n\nI think the part about pod engines was my question from the alpha testing thread. Thanks for an answer! :lol:", "thread_id": 16222 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.427609344Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2010-05-06T17:45:45+0100", "id": "1e9df4cfd824d743be65077f31d84c5f", "post_id": "post-221794", "text": "Samuel Edwards said:I live in my own little world\"my room\" thinking about how important watching the Shuttle launch is compared to Who's the next big idiot on television.\n\nThere was some big event on television a few weeks back, it had something to do with bubbly idiots and lots of announcers yelling and whatever. So I get labeled the outcast for not joining in with the in-crowd and participating in the event. I get labeled the outcast because I was updating and installing add-ons for orbiter and I found that far more enjoyable than being forced to 'participate' in some awards show or some stuff like that.Well let me see here. I don't know how I could (can) participate in a tv show, it seems to be a non-interactive one-way medium. ..with mainstream advertising and media stuffing non-sense into my head.", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.383550464Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-05-05T19:31:23+0100", "id": "3bdf7789e00ffa0138b6fc300765611b", "post_id": "post-221749", "text": "hmm... i can't get this to work...i'm trying to create a systems display screen on my VC... but i can't seem to get any redraw to happen...here's what i have so far...i've mapped a dummy texture called sysmfd_rdw_1.dds (DXT1 1-bit alpha), it shows, no problems...then i marked it with a trailing \"D\" in the .msh file, as noted in the SDK docs..ok... so now i acquire it's handle with the following code:Code:\/\/\n\tSURFHANDLE sysmfd_t1;\n\t\n\tsysmfd_t1 = oapiGetTextureHandle(mdl_dvc, MGP_ID_sysmfd_1);\n\toapiVCRegisterArea(DVC_SYSMFD_1, _R(0,0,256,256), PANEL_REDRAW_ALWAYS, PANEL_MOUSE_IGNORE, PANEL_MAP_NONE, sysmfd_t1);*this is in the clbkLoadVC function...then i proceed into painting it with the little i know about GDI usage...Code:bool DGa2::clbkVCRedrawEvent (int id, int event, SURFHANDLE surf)\n{\n\t\/\/\n\tHDC hDC = oapiGetDC(surf);\n\t\n\tswitch (id)\n\t{\n\t\t\/\/\n\t\tcase DVC_SYSMFD_1:\n\t\t\n\t\t\/\/\n\t\tSetBkColor (hDC, RGB(0,0,0));\n\t\t\n\t\tRectangle (hDC, 50, 50, 70, 70);\n\t\tTextOut(hDC, 10, 150, \"should be working...\", 32);\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\tbreak;\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t}\n\t\n\toapiReleaseDC (surf, hDC);\n\treturn false;\t\n}i just tried to print out anything so i know it's working.......it's NOT working...the panel just sits there, looking at me with a smug grin and the image from the dummy texture... nothing new or that seems \"redrawn\" in any way...am i missing something? (obviously i am, but what is it?)thanks in advance---------- Post added at 03:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:23 PM ----------new developments:i now tried returning true from the redraw function...Code:bool DGa2::clbkVCRedrawEvent (int id, int event, SURFHANDLE surf)\n{\n\t\/\/\n\tHDC hDC = oapiGetDC(surf);\n\t\n\tswitch (id)\n\t{\n\t\t\/\/\n\t\tcase DVC_SYSMFD_1:\n\t\t\n\t\t\/\/\n\t\tSetBkColor (hDC, RGB(0,0,0));\n\t\t\n\t\tRectangle (hDC, 50, 50, 70, 70);\n\t\tTextOut(hDC, 10, 150, \"should be working...\", 32);\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\toapiReleaseDC (surf, hDC);\n\t\treturn true;\n\t\t\n\t}\n\t\n\toapiReleaseDC (surf, hDC);\n\treturn false;\t\n}and now it simply CTD's... what gives??", "thread_id": 14124 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.619836672Z", "author": "kulch", "date": "2010-08-28T15:52:42+0100", "id": "e1634d84b4d0070db7ff350ca36bf0cb", "post_id": "post-251030", "text": "Orbiter-2010-P1 manual in Russian (\u0434\u043e\u043a\u0443\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0430\u0446\u0438\u044f \u043a \u041e\u0440\u0431\u0438\u0442\u0435\u0440\u0443 \u043f\u043e-\u0440\u0443\u0441\u0441\u043a\u0438)Russian translation of Orbiter-2010 manual is ready.You can download it here -http:\/\/www.kulch.spb.ru\/Eng\/documentations.shtmlNow - for last version (Orbiter-2010-P1, build 100830).\u0420\u0443\u0441\u0441\u043a\u0438\u0439 \u043f\u0435\u0440\u0435\u0432\u043e\u0434 \u0434\u043e\u043a\u0443\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0430\u0446\u0438\u0438 \u043a \u041e\u0440\u0431\u0438\u0442\u0435\u0440\u0443-2010 \u0437\u0430\u0432\u0435\u0440\u0448\u0435\u043d.\u0421\u043a\u0430\u0447\u0430\u0442\u044c \u043c\u043e\u0436\u043d\u043e \u0437\u0434\u0435\u0441\u044c -http:\/\/www.kulch.spb.ru\/Rus\/documentations.shtml\u0414\u043e\u043a\u0443\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0430\u0446\u0438\u044f \u043f\u0440\u0438\u0432\u0435\u0434\u0435\u043d\u0430 \u0432 \u0441\u043e\u043e\u0442\u0432\u0435\u0442\u0441\u0442\u0432\u0438\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u0441\u043b\u0435\u0434\u043d\u0435\u0439 \u0432\u0435\u0440\u0441\u0438\u0438 - Orbiter-2010-P1, build 100830.", "thread_id": 16256 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.659812608Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-09T03:04:27+0100", "id": "e681f4403cd456359e9733bba4504be1", "post_id": "post-222132", "text": "Izack said:They did this a while back. I have a giant model of the Shuttle Orbiter (sans ET and SRBs) and Hubble, and a tiny one of the ISS back before they installed the main truss.They should definitely have one of these on the ISS if it doesn't take up too much space. Then they can play spaceman...IN REAL SPACE! :lol:EDIT: Pictures! (Poor quality due to my crappy laptop webcam.)\n\nThat shuttle is exatly the same a my brothers!:thumbup:", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.544290816Z", "author": "Kyle", "date": "2010-05-07T20:57:05+0100", "id": "5c3a5bf8957def6943c349e015ac1dfe", "post_id": "post-222048", "text": "Someone forgot their afternoon coffee apparently..", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.814080256Z", "author": "reverend", "date": "2008-05-26T03:34:03+0100", "id": "21bbc8cfc44d213efe206f642e501d63", "post_id": "post-68930", "text": "I realize it's only the day before Memorial Day and I realize most of what is getting launched would be better classified as fireworks, but hearing some fireworks today gave me the idea to make a Fourth of July \"Independence\" rocket... The 5 weeks between now and then should be ample time to come up with some designs and make something to launch on Jul 4 (or even two or three somethings!)Does anyone else have a similar tradition of launching large amounts of pyrotechnics or rockets into the sky by chance?:beach: Summer Yay!:cheers:", "thread_id": 1616 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.85069568Z", "author": "mrspacely", "date": "2008-05-12T09:04:31+0100", "id": "8875858c1c3de86937d3f8145897923d", "post_id": "post-65291", "text": "what can you do with orbiter? what can't you do?", "thread_id": 1417 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.662165504Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-08-16T02:57:15+0100", "id": "934dda09b43955fa31c6f6939f5dbf1a", "post_id": "post-222151", "text": "Threads now mergedThe price is great. Sure not quite a city set, but this really is Exclusive.", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.938403328Z", "author": "Face", "date": "2010-09-22T07:56:14+0100", "id": "62a5361c7bc001735b6903df872c1888", "post_id": "post-249936", "text": "StevoPistolero said:Why do you need time compression?\n\nIn my opinion time compression is essential for an Orbiter multiplayer system. The \"solutions\" you listed deal with those long interplanetary distances, but not with the problem of playability of real-time space-travel.This is why:Even LEO operations take a long time to fulfill in real-time if we talk about current (and near-future) technology. If we are not talking about these, we can fast forward to FTL just as well, where no time compression is needed. But this is not the point of Orbiter, if I'm not mistaken.You could come up with a draft for using persistent worlds to cope with space missions lasting some weeks. E.g. start your shuttle, set trajectory for ISS rendevous, log off, go sleep\/eat\/school\/whatever, log on, final rendevous with ISS. This sounds all nice and such, but you have to time your real-life with simulation in order to log on at important points in simulation-time. There are some hard-core fans here that might do that, but not too many to justify a dedicated system running in that work-mode. In addition, scheduling round-the-world multiplayer-meetings is hard enough for one event, think about scheduling a whole mission with commanders, pilots and mission specialists.Time-compression in Orbiter is part of the usual \"play-flow\" of doing missions. I bet you are using it sometimes during ascent, too, if not restricted by the addon-vessel you're using. If only for 10x... Have you ever tried a real-time mission? Maybe only Redstones? There is really a different \"feeling\" to it, and - to be honest - a really boring feeling. And being boring is something a multiplayer system should avoid. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.So to conclude my opinion: if you do multiplayer, you better do it with time-compression in mind.regards,Face", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.074181632Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2011-04-20T08:30:35+0100", "id": "78c505c81c0782e3bc11ef2e075039db", "post_id": "post-221385", "text": "Appears to be down now:http:\/\/www.csbf.nasa.gov\/map\/psnconvGps617N.htmI see it did a loop over the secret alien base North of Birdsville...N.", "thread_id": 14099 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.388433152Z", "author": "cjp", "date": "2010-05-05T20:52:08+0100", "id": "43427034ad88fa3acd5f7d1fe141de2d", "post_id": "post-221759", "text": "ar81 said:I found a book that provides these tips, but I do not understand what it means:\n\nThen maybe they're just one step too far at this moment. Learning goes step by step, and you need to have done the previous steps in order to understand the next step.ar81 said:It seems that a game is like a movie, where preproduction matters to reduce costs or to avoid dead ends that makes the project to be unfinished vaporware again.\n\nStarting with a good design is definitely a good way to prevent getting stuck halfway the project because you made a wrong decision somewhere. On the other hand, it is my experience with programming that you often need to have done the programming before you get a good feel of the problem.So, for a good program you need a good design, and to make a good design you need to have made the program in the first place. So it often feels to me that, for complicated software, you don't escape from making it twice. Of course, what is complicated and what is not depends on your experience level.ar81 said:I will not tell you what it is about, but I bet you will love it. It is about 70% finished, a bit closer to a game than closer to vaporware.\n\nIf you told what it's about, then people could post suggestions on how they would design the software.ar81 said:Any tips on game design to speed up coding or to simplify it, would be useful and appreciated.\n\nI often use two important kinds of classes:Resource management classes. They represent some external resource that is being used by your program. Examples: user interface elements (such as windows), network connections, a handle for a sound API, or files you're reading or writing. You can obtain the resource in the constructor (open the network connection, create the window, open the file etc.), and release it in the destructor (close the network connection & so on). Examples of methods are methods for sending\/receiving network data, drawing things in the window, reading\/writing data from\/to files. The member variables contain handles for the external resources and additional data that is necessary for remembering the state of the resource.Data classes. They represent the 'virtual' objects of your software. For instance, for Orbiter this consists of things like spacecrafts, planets and MFDs. The member variables contain all the state information of the object (e.g. positions, velocities for spacecrafts).", "thread_id": 14125 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.179049216Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-24T17:47:07+0100", "id": "b79673ff652b70dccd43823752c2d4ff", "post_id": "post-250271", "text": "oops, didn't even see that 0 to 1 in the cfg doc. That'll be alright, then, I'll be able to run a few tests with values bigger than 1 myself. Thanks!---------- Post added at 04:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:22 AM ----------A question on a related note, the parameters AtmFogParam and AtmFogColor are not documented in the cfg documentation. While Color is pretty clear, I have no Idea what AtmFogParam is supposed to do and how to use it. Any info?", "thread_id": 16185 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.343771392Z", "author": "dutchErik", "date": "2010-05-05T08:42:59+0100", "id": "934c7ea7839e669d39217a060434c473", "post_id": "post-221673", "text": "Hello people,I have a small problem here.I've recently downloaded the Battlestar galactica from rag tag fleet.Installed etc. Then I open the scenario. The BSG is docked to the ISS, as it should be. Now... How do I undock the ship? I can't find any documentation on their site or forum.And becouse I had some important things to do I haven't played orbiter for some times so I forgot most of the controlls.Does anyone have any documentation about how to controll the BSG?thanks(btw: as everyone wants to know....When is orbiter 2009 ready?)", "thread_id": 14118 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.429695232Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-07T17:41:14+0100", "id": "6b50c4fd0c556d27c0c7209897df0d62", "post_id": "post-221810", "text": "That really stinks, it reminds me of the last Endeavor launch, we were up until 3 am just so the launch could be scrubed. Unfortunately we didn't have another day to watch.:dry:", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.4444352Z", "author": "mojoey", "date": "2012-08-31T02:59:31+0100", "id": "4699885d2f98e7dc4a5094e2945779b9", "post_id": "post-250618", "text": "I never like Antialiasing, simply because if I'm trying to line something up, like the navball, its a PITA keeping it level, so I use the pixel line to determine if I'm completely level.", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.35462912Z", "author": "Ursus", "date": "2008-05-13T01:08:12+0100", "id": "1259aecda5af1bc63dd3c2a137d7858d", "post_id": "post-65253", "text": "Wow... thatisnice. :beach: I can see myself there on the beach, basking in the warmth of the rocket flames. :focus:(Hmm... only \"charred\" smiley I can find on the forum.)Sabadoes look like it would be interesting if someone wanted to make a mesh. That St. Maarten texture looks great even without any hills across the lagoon.", "thread_id": 1412 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.926028544Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-05-09T09:59:11+0100", "id": "637ce83dd6222493b870e8e11552bc87", "post_id": "post-221322", "text": "Artlav said:Hm? Are you sure?There is almost negligible difference between 100508 and 100509.Do you still use Orbiter 100503?Is it the panel or some of the MFDs?\n\nFalse alarm. Seems like an Orbiter bug, had two instances running in the background for some reason. I had two random crashes, and for some reason those processes weren't terminated.", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.537229824Z", "author": "T.Neo", "date": "2010-08-26T16:41:58+0100", "id": "312c57381d2db4a5094153946160934d", "post_id": "post-250781", "text": "You have to edit the docking parameters in the .CFG file. I believe the one of the SDK modules details what goes where when relating to them.", "thread_id": 16232 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.293494016Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-05T21:23:04+0100", "id": "8de601dd8ddc0612e77d99c85ba34118", "post_id": "post-221568", "text": "Keatah said:I don't see how that could happen unless people are stupid enough TO LET IT HAPPEN!\n\nToo late. People get instantly addicted to tech toys. Once upon a time the ATM was a new gimmick, and most people did their banking face-to-face in the bank lobby. But once you got an ATM card and figured out how convenient it was, banks started charging for its use, and charging you for some lobby services.People complain, but not enough to go back to no ATMs. And anyway, unless lots of people build a large coalition, most of us are powerless against these macroeconomic forces. And powerless against the hysteria of terrorism, which is used to get us to look the other way when all this computer security stuff gets implemented.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.185444352Z", "author": "diogom", "date": "2010-08-27T16:43:08+0100", "id": "799f75d3b04dbe6001c81e6c3b23184d", "post_id": "post-221476", "text": "Well, before the pass I focused it using Venus, but during the pass, but while following it I completely forgot the focus. Only after I remembered it.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.56923008Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-27T11:50:01+0100", "id": "6d44cab426ccf3727ca03cf5d6886347", "post_id": "post-250936", "text": "That picture is just... wow...", "thread_id": 16244 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.295466752Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-10T22:44:12+0100", "id": "a0de131e552da53d70bdc28be92750f9", "post_id": "post-221591", "text": "Yes. And before that happens, Apple has finished its own project as flash replacement, codename \"Gianduia\"... which is according to Apple, already running on test systems...was already presented on last years WOWODC, most people didn't notice the presentation.http:\/\/www.appleinsider.com\/article..._flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html&page=1", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.192328192Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-05-05T07:52:40+0100", "id": "f2f722d26b6c2748524a52adc7a1f0a5", "post_id": "post-221486", "text": "Is there anything particular about the game that they invested so much work to get it out free?", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.603527424Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-08-28T22:24:23+0100", "id": "74906efe67f365d4ca5054bcc3fd0c80", "post_id": "post-251002", "text": "Xyon said:Not strictly the topic, but, for more humerous examples of computers parsing text badly, check this out:http:\/\/jason-huff.com\/files\/autosummarize-jhuff2010.pdf\n\nLoL!Bloom.Bloom. Bloom.Bloom. Bloom. Bloom.Bloom. BLOOM:Bloom? BLOOM\n\n", "thread_id": 16252 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.295628032Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-05-13T07:45:07+0100", "id": "cf3f2c8d1e29e56597371e67dd2805aa", "post_id": "post-221593", "text": "Announcement of VP8 expected within a week. This could make this whole debate moot.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.201490176Z", "author": "Nikogori", "date": "2015-04-05T14:49:24+0100", "id": "9b2c8e39646e87e424bb2a0c0e66acea", "post_id": "post-221512", "text": "I haven't watched Rocket Girls yet (because I don't like that skin-tight space suit). But I heard about the author of the original Rocket Girls novel series. Nojiri Hosuke is a well-known hard SF writer in Japan and has extensive knowledge about orbital mechanics.http:\/\/global.jaxa.jp\/article\/interview\/vol33\/index_e.htmlOn a side note, he also wrote a SF novel about Hatsune Miku.http:\/\/www.amazon.co.jp\/dp\/4150310580", "thread_id": 14106 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.826929408Z", "author": "Thorton", "date": "2010-08-22T09:50:26+0100", "id": "4dc935ef99c197acd2f512b719ae36b1", "post_id": "post-249715", "text": "Did you install Soyuz FG\/U addon? Also you should know that ISS v3.1.3 was made for Orbiter 2006, so I cant guarantee that it will work on Orbiter 2010 without glitches.", "thread_id": 16160 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.295798272Z", "author": "No Life", "date": "2010-05-13T17:24:22+0100", "id": "608e4c3c799b5fb43bce8844525e970b", "post_id": "post-221595", "text": "in this situation i would support apple.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.234993664Z", "author": "Bj", "date": "2010-05-05T03:14:08+0100", "id": "c2f819efcc8b20b98364018746c14b9d", "post_id": "post-221548", "text": "Internet usage breakdownWhat they are online for is another matter. Obviously it would be hard to find the 'true' numbers without ISPs watching all traffic. (which they probably are, they just don't want to admit it.)", "thread_id": 14109 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.178358272Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-23T17:54:59+0100", "id": "277b21e7d933346beba7befa93f20c26", "post_id": "post-250267", "text": "I noticed that in the stock cfg files, the rgb values are in float format. How do these work? It can't be percent, since some of them are bigger than one. How do I convert usual rgb values (0 to 255) to those values?", "thread_id": 16185 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.315400192Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-05T14:32:44+0100", "id": "8d93df63f368421b81970a931232f290", "post_id": "post-221627", "text": "About my local diet:http:\/\/frenziedpalate.blogspot.com\/2008\/11\/autostadt-currywurst.htmlBut the article is truly written by somebody from abroad, you can also buy it in local supermarkets for some years now and it is also served in the Volkswagen arena. I hope the FIFA does not enforce Japanese fast food here for the womens world championship in 2011.", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.354025472Z", "author": "Scrooge McDuck", "date": "2008-05-12T13:04:15+0100", "id": "d18bc192774e54ab7697ee57177edef9", "post_id": "post-65247", "text": "Yes, I know the runway at Sint Maarten, the beach at the start is indeed a great place:). I'll try to make a hires texture for the whole island in Orbiter.Btw, if I remember correctly, the Dutch island Saba (near St Maarten and relatively small), has the shortest (commercial) runway of the world, the island looks very nice. Maybe this would be nice scenery too. But as it consist mainly of a mountain, just a flat texture in Orbiter would be a little boring, but maybe it is possible to make a 3D model for the island, like the Thunderbirds-Island addon on OrbitHangar.regards,mcduck", "thread_id": 1412 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.4889984Z", "author": "Notebook", "date": "2010-08-25T19:46:14+0100", "id": "fc4c1a531fa3dafc095b07acc106b3f2", "post_id": "post-250698", "text": "Where I could find evening.This attempt to me, just has the audio? The pictures do not move?Found these though!N.---------- Post added at 07:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:22 PM ----------The thanks are welcomed chaps! But I still can't see the Simpsons animation?N.", "thread_id": 16220 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.833047808Z", "author": "RisingFury", "date": "2011-11-15T02:18:20+0000", "id": "38fa27df424adf01cc1ef7bc8dea080f", "post_id": "post-222260", "text": "All I have to say is that I echo the amazement of everyone that these two probes still work after more than 3 decades!", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.358836992Z", "author": "Arrowstar", "date": "2010-05-05T17:44:12+0100", "id": "16384b668223e57f993bc7eb9ab52294", "post_id": "post-221726", "text": "Hi all,I've been looking into alternative methods to determine the flight path of a body other than by direct numerical integration of Newton's second law (sum the gravity forces, determine velocity, determine position). In particular, I've been thinking about how I might use mechanical energy relationships to determine the flight path of an orbit. Since the total mechanical energy of an ideal orbit is constant, this would appear to be a great way to determine velocities\/positions directly.I've run into two problems. First, when looking at kinetic energy, I notice that the velocity vector is replaced with the scalar velocity magnitude, removing any direction information from that vector. This is obviously a problem, as not knowing which way you're traveling means you can't propagate your orbit. Second, when dealing with potential energy, how does one deal with multiple sources of gravity? It's real easy when you're a block floating above a flat plate with only one gravity source, but it seems to get more complicated when you attempt to put said block around the Sun with the various planets acting on it.Are these issues resolvable? Using energy\/work seems like an advantageous way to do things, if you can get it to work. Any tips or insight would be appreciated!Thanks!", "thread_id": 14121 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.6536256Z", "author": "Xyon", "date": "2010-08-28T21:32:50+0100", "id": "03c82b7b0735698630ba8bd924a9a668", "post_id": "post-251087", "text": "Mmm, big scale. I love the huge model Saturn V rocket I saw once too.That must be considerably expensive to put together (and fix if you crash it).", "thread_id": 16263 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.388235776Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-05-05T20:48:08+0100", "id": "026bf933db2034454c00ff7edd1e6ee5", "post_id": "post-221757", "text": "ooh, those are very relevant tips...let me elaborate on them...>> Avoid hidden code that performs nontrivial operations.if something important is to happen at a point of your code, make sure that it is clearly visible and understandable, ideally in proportion to it's importance...an example of what not to do is to put an all-important function call inside an \"if\" condition block... if a bool-returning function is REALLY important, at the very least break the statement over a few lines so it can be seen...not just about general readability, there are other ways that code can be hidden... destructor functions are a goldmine for this kind of undesirables... you don't really call them, but they happen anyways - so check what goes into them, don't let \"implicit\" code get too much responsability in it's hands...>> Keep your class hierarchies as flat as possible.I've had this problem before, and all i can say... *facepalm*my boss at the last place i worked used to overcode everything... to undertand what was going on you'd have to browse over tens of classes which inherited eachother and added one or two functions at a time...reusable, maybe.... for him, at least, but for anyone other than the author, plain unreadableso while you can, keep your inheritances to a reader-friendly minimum>> Be aware of the difference between inheritance and containment.the best way to think of this, is to mind that classes can have two types of relationship with other classes... an object can \"have\" another object, or an object can \"be\" another object... respectively, containment or inheritance...think about it... a ship IS a type of vehicle, therefore, ship extends vehicle... now a ship HAS a thruster, but thruster doesn't extend ship - since a thruster by itself is not a ship nor a vehicle, a thruster is \"owned\" by a ship, which is also NOT a thruster...>> Avoid abusing virtual functions.in a way, virtual functions allow you to call a function by the name of a function that could do something else completely different... this is another way of having hidden code, and therefore, should be used with caution>> Use interface classes and factories.not too sure about that... i, myself have never seen the use for this type of thing... some design patterns seem to me like just overcoding in some cases...maybe if you have something that's really intricate, it might be worth it tho...>> Use streams in addition to constructors to initialize objects.i'm really not sure what this is supposed to mean... can anyone clarify?", "thread_id": 14125 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.837657088Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2012-10-30T23:49:42+0000", "id": "165e7909e5d30cf6c835e3d341546118", "post_id": "post-222286", "text": "Discovery News:Voyager 1 Detects Weirdness at Solar System Edge", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.35959424Z", "author": "PeterRoss", "date": "2010-08-24T22:06:35+0100", "id": "7ef0517395b754d9f75e637b81b0f240", "post_id": "post-250453", "text": "I'm using Greg Burch's LSTS landers for moon landing, and the easiest way I've found to control horizontal speed manually while descending with constant VS is to tilt abit vector of descent in the direction of horizontal speed. I can land LSTS with no problem on any spot on the moon with using of AutohoverMFD only to keep VS, and it can be easily avoided too if needed. I don't know nothing about LTV though and if it is a big difference with LSTS moonlanders.", "thread_id": 16198 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.544000256Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-07T13:01:57+0100", "id": "1ca39d119927a4355b59559dad982448", "post_id": "post-222046", "text": "The P&G trader theory has been ruled out already, the anomaly was caused by something else, more obscure it seems.I suggest it was a disturbance in the force.", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.921065216Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-05-03T20:40:24+0100", "id": "2a80c250ebd603276eff21826e473738", "post_id": "post-221267", "text": "DG VC HUD is unreadable. Also, will you add particle streams?", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.38850816Z", "author": "SiberianTiger", "date": "2010-08-25T08:13:48+0100", "id": "a616d039b39fd00257c77cb62b3373dc", "post_id": "post-250522", "text": "RunStellariumand it will provide you a way to see guessed constellation figures laid over stars (and optionally, the traditional connecting lines between the stars, like on most newby celestial maps). It also has a feature to visualize constellation figures from different historical and contemporary human cultures, or upload your own.", "thread_id": 16207 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.659964672Z", "author": "Pilot7893", "date": "2010-06-28T23:45:26+0100", "id": "5012ea723b9eeeea45fa81bcad6657a9", "post_id": "post-222134", "text": "Sorry for the big bump, buthttp:\/\/shop.lego.com\/product\/?p=10213&LangId=2057&ShipTo=USThis is relevant to my, and everyone else's interests.", "thread_id": 14155 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.926086912Z", "author": "tl8", "date": "2010-05-09T10:00:22+0100", "id": "be11b7e9d2db7ac40359d2b6f6c71ec8", "post_id": "post-221323", "text": "Same as Computerex...A slow down seems to happen when I move the 2D panels, about 90% and movement isn't smoothThis happens on both the left and right sides", "thread_id": 14091 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.893619968Z", "author": "HAL9001", "date": "2010-08-23T09:24:36+0100", "id": "e4871ac13cbb03ea923aa226b21bf281", "post_id": "post-249828", "text": ":welcome:!", "thread_id": 16167 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.690125312Z", "author": "ACSoft", "date": "2008-05-12T17:02:12+0100", "id": "33fff8ae5d6fa93957db339e8fe054a3", "post_id": "post-65288", "text": "Very strange !If you can, try to send me at my Email you can found into the AMSO doc, a scenario where I can reproduce the problem.ACS", "thread_id": 1416 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.038968576Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-03T17:40:36+0100", "id": "4f529655672a110e21fa63aa3ae88bdb", "post_id": "post-221369", "text": "It seems that in China they have the same problemChinese youth accused of not being fighting fitAre fast food companies a threat to national security? :lol:", "thread_id": 14097 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.098988288Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-08-24T06:24:44+0100", "id": "47f95e850f8f3f1b2fe2c387932601ed", "post_id": "post-250093", "text": "computerex said:Read your history. It is the east that formed the foundation upon which the west built upon.\n\nThen I guess you can live in a house of which only the foundations have been laid.:lol:", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.092306176Z", "author": "Scarecrow", "date": "2008-02-10T01:54:41+0000", "id": "e5b3e629627f53536fab3ec1634b3b0c", "post_id": "post-12289", "text": "Not that I've read his paper, or know too much about non-newtonian physics or whatever, but this just sounds stupid from the article (though the article was rather non-descriptive too). On what basis is he saying that there are no instants in time, or whatever this is?Also, apparently both he and the author of the article don't realize that the solution to Zeno's paradox is obvious (I'm sure that all the really smart people have known the solution for hundreds of years). As Achilles and the Turtle cover progressivly shorter distances at a constant speed, they take less and less time to do so. The function T(n)= the amount of time elapsed during step n, has a horizontal asymptote at zero, and if you integrate T(n)from n = 0 to n = infinity, you come up with a definate amount of time, which is when Achilles passes the Turtle.", "thread_id": 141 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.301390848Z", "author": "tty3", "date": "2010-05-04T20:13:11+0100", "id": "38a320eb1f9b6c0784525eed0cc3b9fe", "post_id": "post-221598", "text": "Any way to use the mouse as a joystick? For not abuse of the keys.Thanks for help me.:hail:", "thread_id": 14111 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.099266304Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-08-24T06:32:20+0100", "id": "6aa7208bb0b1b9c0ca8308a2b1888718", "post_id": "post-250095", "text": "Ghostrider said:Then I guess you can live in a house of which only the foundations have been laid.:lol:\n\nWell without a firm foundation you won't get anywhere. Unfortunately people always tend to forget the east's contribution to our technological advances, and credit the west exclusively. Your comment is indicative of that. This has been like this for a long time. You only learn American\/European history in high school, and even in a university level World History course you are focused on Western history, and barely spend any time on the Eastern history. Newton had reasons for saying he saw far because he stood on the shoulders of giants: [ame=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe\"]Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[\/ame]EDIT:Xyon is right, we should get back on topic. So I would like to say: A video game is a video game, it is not designed to accurately portray anyone, it is designed for entertainment purpose, so what the heck;)", "thread_id": 16182 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.184644864Z", "author": "diogom", "date": "2010-08-26T18:36:04+0100", "id": "068c4a9e2beb12c736c48c6a45e9425c", "post_id": "post-221469", "text": "ISS through telescopeI've been trying to watch the ISS through my telescope, but the oportunities aren't much here in Portugal, at least this month. It is only visible like at 3 or 4 in the morning. but today and tomorrow there is one and since I don't want to waste the oportunity with the wrong eyepiece, can anyone tell me what magnification do I need to watch some details?", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.628382208Z", "author": "flyer", "date": "2010-05-10T00:19:26+0100", "id": "f3f3431340725367d19db559a94c0a85", "post_id": "post-222077", "text": "Hi there everyone, first time posting!Firstly, congratulations to Doug and everyone involved with creating the XR series!Maybe this isn't the perfect place for feature requests but I thought I'd give it a go!I was wondering if it is possible to add the possibility to automatically deploy the speedbrake on landing. Perhaps this could take the form of an 'armed' position of the speedbrakes?Continuing in the same theme, would an autobrake system be possible to include? In real life autobrake systems (the Boeing 737 at least!) there are several levels of autobrake that can be selected. The different levels represent an overall deceleration rate, for example if on landing the pilot chose to use reverse thrust, then the autobrake system would reduce the pressure being applied to the brakes to achieve the same deceleration rate as without the reverse thrust.I guess these are just my personal requests but I feel that if the XR1\/2\/5 were to be operated in real life then these systems would probably be included.Coming back to the \"if the XR1\/2\/5 were to be operated in real life\" way of thinking, I have also thought that some way of \"de-rating\" the engines for atmospheric flight could be a good idea when considering take off performance.In real life, aircraft takeoff performance is predicated on losing an engine. I realise it is not possible to easily simulate this within orbiter, but IF the worst did happen and you were to try and take off with 100% thrust operating on only one engine (I'm thinking XR2 specifically here) then it would not be possible to control the resulting yaw after leaving the ground due to the unbalanced thrust line. One simple way to reduce this would be to reduce the amount of thrust from the operating engine.Following the above idea, I don't know if V1 is a fixed value? Would it be possible for a dynamic value of V1 to be calculated based on runway length, weight etc?Also, I think you have spoken about this before but I would also make a request for an altitude hold and heading hold autopilot. I realise you want to keep the XR craft to be \"pilots aircraft\", but again thinking of real life operations, I don't think that these functions would detract from the experience. They would simply be used as a workload reduction tool, which is one of the reasons autopilots are used. Also, there is no requirement for anybody to use them! I just think that for those atmospheric flights (maybe delivery flights etc) it would make the process of fitting in with the existing air traffic routes an easier and safer prospect.Anyway, sorry that was such a long post, if you need me to explain any of my requests then give me a shout. They make sense in my own mind, but that's a wierd place!Thanks again!Flyer", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.016667648Z", "author": "jarmonik", "date": "2010-08-25T22:26:08+0100", "id": "facca8a5835afbe3ee6e408032f134ca", "post_id": "post-250026", "text": "It's good to hear that. I'll try to upload a new distribution tomorrow.", "thread_id": 16176 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.315882496Z", "author": "PhantomCruiser", "date": "2010-05-05T18:24:56+0100", "id": "c2d902d9a6e9a5a73e539eceb05fcfdd", "post_id": "post-221633", "text": "Oh Dang!I'm getting seriously hungry now. Wifey has me on a diet, my stomache growls at the though of a burger\/brat sizzling on an open grill.", "thread_id": 14113 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.84027648Z", "author": "Unstung", "date": "2013-09-13T09:49:05+0100", "id": "a9707a1901feefd2b5bd0e0b05cc6328", "post_id": "post-222301", "text": "Screamer7 said:It's Official! Voyager 1 Spacecraft Has Left Solar System .http:\/\/www.space.com\/22729-voyager-1-spacecraft-interstellar-space.html\n\nVoyager 1 has reached interstellar space but hasnotleft the solar system. The sun's gravity is still the most significant influence around and objects orbit the sun much further out than the Voyager. Even SPACE.com got it wrong.Voyager 2 will collaborate on Voyager 1's data as it arrives at interstellar space, predicted to be in afew years.Thisis relevant, informative, and interesting.Quick_Nick said:But HOW official is it?:p\n\nAnyways,NASA official.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.493111808Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-08-25T21:42:39+0100", "id": "359a96320166d30cfbea406e1dfe262d", "post_id": "post-250705", "text": "Two French soldiers were killed and three more have been wounded in fighting in Afghanistan, President Nicolas Sarkozy's office has said.Further inquiry is suggesting that the shots were coming from french troops... The army is reluctant to admit it but said that \"the losses could have been caused by friendly fire\" (which means that's very likely). We are the best:rolleyes:.I don't get it, those troops have not the equipement nor the command skills to carry offensive night operations... They would probably make better work at keeping the camps - at least they wouldn't shoot themselves and they would free better qualified & equiped troops for night ops -. :facepalm:", "thread_id": 16221 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.525988352Z", "author": "statickid", "date": "2010-05-07T05:47:29+0100", "id": "08b7f412f84c214f293d7eb99a7b5d8a", "post_id": "post-221870", "text": "never had that problem, been using vista and orbiter a long time! oh... wait... i think i had that problem like 6 years ago and it was a problem having to do with user profiles. it turned out that i was not the \"administrator\" and the orbiter program would somehow launch only on the \"administrator\"'s profile desktop. whenever it did that i went and got my room mate and had him log into his profile, and there was orbiter, right on the desktop, running the whole time, just like the info box said.---------- Post added at 09:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:43 PM ----------appended note: btw- i DID have full administrator priveledges, but for some reason it didnt matter. on my new computer i use vista and a user profile not named administrator and it doesn't make a lick of difference. i pretty much converted to windows after finding orbiter and discovering it can't run on other boxes. used to be a mac guy, now i own winbox almost entirely so i can use orbiter!! lolHAIL:probe:---------- Post added at 09:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 PM ----------p.s.s. AND that was back in 2003 or something!", "thread_id": 14142 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.702998272Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-05-02T01:38:55+0100", "id": "826bab96562028b71a65a756bb3d3c8b", "post_id": "post-221113", "text": "There is an excellent tutorial about the Surveyor probe. It was really useful to understand the basics of C++ & Orbiter's instructions. The most difficult was to set-up the compiler ! After that, that's a lot of work. I've just began to learn, my first try was a \"realistic-lunar shuttle PB\" with skids, small SRBs that could not be stopped once ignited (with a key to activate them), no hovers, it was just a modification of the basic PB. It learned me a lot, but it was a very useless ship, I searched but I couldn't find it any use lol.Now I'm working on a multistage Delta-IV rocket, basically it works but programming a working and flexible launch guidance program is especially challenging. I also still have to learn how to connect my modules with OrbiterSound & how saving the state of the rocket in a scenario file... That's a lot of work !But it's really fun :lol:", "thread_id": 14086 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.9089984Z", "author": "LuckyHendrix", "date": "2010-08-29T09:28:26+0100", "id": "ffbff2761788bbae1c00d4f65a2b6fb0", "post_id": "post-249844", "text": "Another solution is to put both ship in prograde mode , docking ports will stay aligned.", "thread_id": 16170 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.62889856Z", "author": "dbeachy1", "date": "2010-05-10T18:05:07+0100", "id": "952625776f0f162c4067d8b8a6caf5a4", "post_id": "post-222083", "text": "Thanks for the fixes, Artlav! :thumbup: If you're up for it, let's continue troubleshooting the debugger crash in PM and see if we can pin it down.", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.072932352Z", "author": "jinglesassy", "date": "2010-05-03T06:36:44+0100", "id": "afbe3791359fc90cd7a7f668ad59b99d", "post_id": "post-221376", "text": "What attaching a weather balloon to a camera set to take pictures every few seconds isn't good enough?", "thread_id": 14099 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.437003264Z", "author": "jedidia", "date": "2010-08-25T08:39:19+0100", "id": "a572521629516691120f90549a321912", "post_id": "post-250535", "text": "Tempest for Elisa\n\n...I guess there is a freak for everything... :lol:I keep spending my money on silly things like children instead. ><\n\nOh well, I have that coming for me. On the other hand, I buy almost all of my hardware used, so I'm usually running a pretty cheap buisness. My 21 monitor cost me somewhere around 150 dollars, and I expect it to hold for a while...", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.648002304Z", "author": "gaidheal", "date": "2010-05-07T23:44:19+0100", "id": "9f3149be562a2011a93203d981f5917e", "post_id": "post-222101", "text": "Thanks all for the responses!@ar81: thanks, I've downloaded several of your tutorials, which should prove very useful. I've also got the orbiter soundtrack, along with some Brian Eno ambient music in the playlist:D", "thread_id": 14152 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.073595648Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-05-03T11:20:27+0100", "id": "40e2129aead1516cfe5de2cb440ab9eb", "post_id": "post-221380", "text": "Sky Captain said:Why were they attempting to launch in so strong wind?\n\nThey weren't. As I understand it the ballon was supposed to be moored to the ground whilst it was slowly filled up and hte plan was to launch it later in the day when the winds had calmed but a problem with one of the mooring ropes lead to the accident that you saw.", "thread_id": 14099 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.523865344Z", "author": "davewave", "date": "2008-06-17T07:59:45+0100", "id": "12953cd9d01e8b21ff50a75d70308368", "post_id": "post-68985", "text": "OUIPChow do I access this using VB .net because you only have a JAVA version and the DLL isn't recognised.Do you have an SDK or an API list for this?", "thread_id": 1623 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.8202624Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-03T17:19:32+0100", "id": "332fa789ca8beea820149f03c9cd6fb0", "post_id": "post-221253", "text": "Well the Orbiter era has brought a new kind of problem: Spam for orbinauts. :lol:Dear Fellow Orbiter pilot \/ Spacecraft Owner,Do you really know what it takes to quickly generate high-profit deals to your space freight company?Listen up. I must let you in on a few insider *secrets*:Instead of waiting months to generate sales on your courier\/freighter business, you can start gaining the deals you want right now.For Full Details please read the attached virus.html fileTo Unsubscribe please read the attached Unsubscribe.virus.txt file\n\n", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.194788096Z", "author": "anemazoso", "date": "2010-05-07T22:44:45+0100", "id": "26f02baaf2315197c0fa64781dd758d4", "post_id": "post-221504", "text": "What size is the file? The list says it is 1719MB but I'm up to 1.85GB. Anyone know what the final size is?", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.388433152Z", "author": "spacekid1998", "date": "2010-08-25T08:10:48+0100", "id": "cba542516e81251b4e56b311b5f2b9ce", "post_id": "post-250521", "text": "yes but please tell me how you can see thisfrom this---------- Post added at 07:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:59 AM ----------the foundations of logic are crumbling as u realize that none of these consellations look like anything except for ursa major and pegasus (if you really use your imagination..)i mean really. this is supposed to be a \"little dog\"", "thread_id": 16207 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.62792192Z", "author": "Evil_Onyx", "date": "2010-05-08T23:47:13+0100", "id": "0b2a52aae3f12a62eeafba00eccce0c5", "post_id": "post-222073", "text": "Found it, It was LaunchMFD messing with the HUD.Have tested with clean install and works fine in both Orbiter.exe and Orbiter_ng.exe with both XR1 and XR2.Sorry for any inconvenience caused.", "thread_id": 14151 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.2922944Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-05-04T18:19:49+0100", "id": "f438737b3f348953e5ab72af9319b993", "post_id": "post-221554", "text": "From the pure technical side, Apple. Flash is a pain in the ass of the Internet. It is so slow, bulky and annoying, that it deserves to die. But it is there, and the W3C suitable replacements are still work in progress.You don't know how slow flash is, until you notice that a typical flash browser game that does nothing else than allowing you to play Giana Sisters, takes 100% of your CPU.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.441725952Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-08-11T01:22:05+0100", "id": "1b39a3cd1edb2e62d5951341fee1f6ae", "post_id": "post-250585", "text": "Ohh that's just nuts! A hydration tube and applesauce dispenser. Let's add in a tiny microwave food slot and frozen dinners that have a gelatinous consistency. wrap all your snacks in futuristic foil!Can't you buy astronaut food at like toys'r'us or hobby lobby or something, like in the novelty section?", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.831571968Z", "author": "GoForPDI", "date": "2011-06-15T23:37:39+0100", "id": "90d2e2e59ee02f1c8a98a47bcd5d400a", "post_id": "post-222249", "text": "I've just been listening to Carl Sagan's very detailed descriptions of Voyager's missions in The Pale Blue Dot.A fantastic read (or listen)", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.37496064Z", "author": "dgatsoulis", "date": "2010-07-06T19:08:34+0100", "id": "356d8297bff9a0323d41546d1fff75ca", "post_id": "post-221748", "text": "hribek said:You actually have just enough fuel after refueling at ISS that you can land on the Moon with a few kg of fuel remaining - maybe 200kg or so, I was landing on-target so you will have a larger reserve if you go for a landing anywhere. (launch window opens every 2 weeks. you can refuel at Mir, but I just don't like Mir and prefer ISS.)\n\nYeah, i know. In fact, you can make a 48 hour round trip to the Moon with expert settings, ANYTIME you want. (Refuel at a space station and then refuel again, once you land on the Moon).I uploaded [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=4367\"]this[\/ame] playback on O-H a few months ago, but i never finished the notation.I'll try to update it sometime this month, by breaking down the flight in 3 parts.1. KSC to Mir.2. Mir to Brighton Beach.3. BB to KSC.This way there will be no \"refuelling issues\" that don't show in the playback (except the mandatory RCS to MAIN Xfeed, required for a Lunar landing within the first 30-31 hours of the flight).", "thread_id": 14123 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.503181824Z", "author": "Moach", "date": "2010-08-26T00:43:16+0100", "id": "a76ab8b2ae824e45ef6f6a0600bc8ec2", "post_id": "post-250732", "text": "only Orbiter is smiled upon by the:probe:you can't get any more special :thumbup: :lol:", "thread_id": 16223 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.841945856Z", "author": "Submariner", "date": "2011-07-22T10:43:00+0100", "id": "f21437bd205ae54e5f6cd41b9b08d441", "post_id": "post-217734", "text": "Columbia42, are you still working on an update for this? I still love this addon, its the only reason I still have an installation of Orbiter 2006 on my PC. (The CEV-Orion doesn't seem to work completely in 100830.) I have noticed that the textures on the Altair don't seem to appear, at least not for me. I took a look at the meshes and it seems that the \"tanks \" and \" frame \" should have silver and gold foil textures. Any way you could look into fixing those? Here's how the Altair looks on my PC:I really think the Altair could benefit greatly from some improved texturing, so it would match the Orion better. Thank you for the addon, and hope to see an update soon!", "thread_id": 13877 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.544162304Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-05-07T19:46:45+0100", "id": "63dc82dd0c433164cb312710726183b9", "post_id": "post-222047", "text": "Look at any company's stock value for yesterday, and you'll see a steep decline around 3pm. Amazing.", "thread_id": 14148 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.860359168Z", "author": "joertexas", "date": "2011-03-12T23:35:24+0000", "id": "d1418225d82b16f9b0805faccb638bb5", "post_id": "post-249770", "text": "I found out that LOLA doesn't like tail sitters, I modified my custom lander, and it was working fine.Now, though, I find that the Delta Vee numbers aren't adding up. From my research, Apollo used something like 2.1 to 2.3km\/sec to land. My lander is up to 2.6km\/sec fuel capacity, and it's still running out of fuel. I'm using the same ini file, and I only tweaked the fuel and mass numbers to fine tune the mission. I'm figuring the accel and fuel correctly, because the attached orbiter (in a lander\/orbiter stack) works fine, with fuel consumption right on the money.Any ideas?Update: Okay, now I feel *really* stupid... I checked the lander while the sim was running, and found that it was severely overweight, as if it hadn't dropped the orbiter. I put a line of code in the ini file,a dn now the weight is correct. We will see how the landing goes...JR", "thread_id": 16164 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.879764736Z", "author": "dougkeenan", "date": "2010-04-16T16:16:37+0100", "id": "eb7a397d684fc5fa3d47268106c62180", "post_id": "post-217802", "text": "If we stop playing Orbiter do we have to, you know, work or something?I don't like that idea. At all.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.64818816Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-08T00:01:30+0100", "id": "ef502330158702e50ca20bf464485d88", "post_id": "post-222103", "text": "Welcome to the fantastic world of Orbiter:)may the probe be with you (you'll figure it out:))", "thread_id": 14152 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.161797376Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2011-01-18T22:23:11+0000", "id": "a64084598783e8064246859576ebea9f", "post_id": "post-250167", "text": "I can't believe I haven't posted a link to calendar event for this launch yet.Here it is, andhere you can request a reminderfor it.The precise targeted time for launch is set to 06:29:19 UTC.Tangeshima Space Center Web Camera(This picture is automatically updated at intervals.Refresh the page to see the latest image.)", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.915851008Z", "author": "kuddel", "date": "2011-02-16T23:22:47+0000", "id": "77023b7aeaf9901e18cc7b6ffaafbca6", "post_id": "post-217895", "text": "Hi there,I hope this question is not too off topic.Here's my question:In all presentations\/animations that are showing the deployment of the ATVs solar panes, two opponent panels are deployed together (Panel 1&3, followed by Panel 2&4).Is this really done this way?I would have expected the panes to be deployed one after the other...(Panel1, Panel 3, Panel 2, ...)Does anybody have further information on this?Just curious,;)Kuddel", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.164229632Z", "author": "MeDiCS", "date": "2010-05-04T21:52:09+0100", "id": "deeeba33200b516201df6672e052b206", "post_id": "post-221435", "text": "cjp said:Ouch, that is so incorrect that it hurts me. Will you please remove that from your post, to prevent further damage?On second read, apparently you only suggest that this is someone else's statement. Anyway, it still hurts.\n\nYes, I was suggesting. Some misunderstandings led me to believe Enjo was saying that DOC was ISO-approved and ODF was pushed as a standard by Sun. Everything's been explained in private so as to not drift this thread too much off-topic.", "thread_id": 14102 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.482993664Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2008-05-26T15:10:00+0100", "id": "22e54e6543f8b8e95cc11f4105ab0d71", "post_id": "post-68964", "text": "Breaking the sound barrier with one's body sounds a bit dicey. I hope he's got a way of controlling his attitude and preventing spinning.", "thread_id": 1622 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.425806592Z", "author": "Izack", "date": "2010-04-17T23:24:20+0100", "id": "3b50ef3acc553b64e53fe01ecf541819", "post_id": "post-218204", "text": "It hasn't crossed my mind to give a general thank-you to all of the addon developers here.Now that you've brought it up, Aviateur, I agree with you. Thanks guys for putting your time and skills towards this great project.", "thread_id": 13904 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.18114176Z", "author": "bwog", "date": "2010-05-05T14:02:46+0100", "id": "48addffc0d65d720f219abf3dd9a547e", "post_id": "post-221447", "text": "Moach said:hmm... living in a S\u00e3o Paulo, i can't really see anything... even if it wasn't always clouded up, i'd need to cause a major blackout in order to see anything less bright than the moon......and... i'd need to own a telescope...:rolleyes:\n\nJust one of the few reasons I wish I lived on a farm.I can't even get Stellarium to get the light pollution right because I can only see about 30 stars on a clear night.", "thread_id": 14104 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.636904704Z", "author": "Scarecrow", "date": "2008-05-27T02:25:06+0100", "id": "34c44582abdfb94def877894f175075d", "post_id": "post-69017", "text": "Not that it's a tenth as impressive, but my birthday is today too, and I got a copy of Apollo 13 by Jim Lovell (originally titled Lost Moon).Awesome medal!", "thread_id": 1626 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.530130432Z", "author": "vonneuman", "date": "2010-04-19T22:25:21+0100", "id": "2ebb8a670ec6d54fc56f7813e008e74b", "post_id": "post-218456", "text": "BTW, how is the conventional road network maintained in the US? Is it done with tax money? I can't remember I've seen many toll roads there. At least not as many as in France.\n\nLike most public transportation in the US it is done through tax money.The reason US is not big on trains is that there are just so few trains in the us. For me I will soon be going to a university that is 7 hours away by car. The problem that I have been trying to solve is how do I get back home with out a car. I don't want to pay the insurance on a car that will spend most of its time in a parking lot. So I was looking into trains, however that main problem with that is they are so spread out that I have to take an hour bus ride just to find the nearest train station. So that is one reason we don't like trains, they are so inconvenient. Most rail in the US is used to transport coal to power stations. Not for transporting people.look at this:This is a map of just the major highways in the US. There are so many smaller ones that just can't be shown on the map. However it took a lot of work just to get the government to make the interstate highway network. In fact the most important highways in the US where made for military use.The original interstate was made so the military could move troops an supplies in the event of a massive attack on one coast.Right now there is no need for a train network in the US.We also use a lot of planes in the US too.In fact there are so many it is impossible to land them all at that same time.", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.332973312Z", "author": "Shadow Addict", "date": "2010-05-05T02:14:09+0100", "id": "300e695a96f1509d88729f4e1ed99921", "post_id": "post-221653", "text": "I've been playing D&D on and off with a group of four or five friends for about two years now. We're planning on getting our first serious campaign started this fall (still using 3.5, of course; 4e was a let-down in my opinion). It's really one of my fondest hobbies; reading those core rulebooks just makes me feel good. Does anybody else on O-F play D&D or any of the other d20 games out there?", "thread_id": 14116 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.946976Z", "author": "Hielor", "date": "2010-09-24T01:19:03+0100", "id": "094b4d198ffe63499cfca7b4af75905e", "post_id": "post-249983", "text": "StevoPistolero said:How far away are we from multiplayer orbiter?\n\nOrbiter multiplayer will arrive when people stop asking for it or demanding it, and instead start working on it or helping those who are already working on it.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.709622784Z", "author": "DaveS", "date": "2010-04-16T11:42:46+0100", "id": "bcd4893b3e0254c5246c73fdca2aa74f", "post_id": "post-217611", "text": "KosmoKen said:Never mind, I updated my NVidia drivers and everything's working just fine. Looks great and will start testing it out! :thumbup:\n\nWell, I tried with an earlier Orbiter beta version as well as an earlier OGLAClient version and got the same VBO message. So I'll try a re-install of the NVIDIA drivers to see if that works for me as well.---------- Post added at 12:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:08 PM ----------Ended up rolling back to an earlier version of the drivers and now the VBO acceleration is back online. Seems like there's something in the 197.13 drivers that disables VBO acceleration. The weired blue band still remains however.---------- Post added at 12:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:33 PM ----------Another thing noticed: The MFDs are not in their right places in the generic cockpit view. They're above the normal places and blinking very fast.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.388370688Z", "author": "MeDiCS", "date": "2010-05-05T20:50:39+0100", "id": "777750a58141e22e698cddc285fdddfc", "post_id": "post-221758", "text": "One of the best tips is think. Unless you have a clear image of what you're trying to archieve, don't code. Imagine the necessary modules, and it's most important interfaces.Even after you start coding, don't drop the planning. Also keep in mind that the design is not constant, but the rate in which it changes decrease as the codebase gets bigger.I think coding is very personal, but one thing that helps me a lot when I see a dead end (or more commonly, feel that something is just not 'right'), is to partially or completely rewrite the module or the program. Even if you have written all types of apps in existance, every project introduces something new, which you incorporate in your design after each rewrite.:cheers:", "thread_id": 14125 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.169487616Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-15T20:19:59+0000", "id": "c3aafefb2dc2e3a18b7da46de344a7eb", "post_id": "post-250230", "text": "KOUNOTORI2 Mission Activities Continue Smoothly.Aboard the International Space Station (ISS), the ISS crew continues to unload the pressurized cargo delivered by the KOUNOTORI2.Of all the Cargo Transfer Bags (CTBs) carried on the Pressurized Logistics Carrier (PLC) of the KOUNOTORI2, 71% of them have already transferred to the ISS. Besides the unpacking activities, the ISS crew is also loading trash bags into the PLC. Of all the waste and discarded items listed on a trash list, 40 percent of them have loaded into the PLC.On February 18, the ISS crew will perform relocation of the KOUNOTORI2 using the SSRMS. This relocation is a preparation for arrival and docking of Discovery (STS-133), which is currently scheduled to launch on February 25. If the KOUNOTORI2 stayed in its current position, the Space Station Remote Manipulator System (SSRMS) will not be able to remove and transfer the payloads in Discovery's payload bay. The KOUNOTORI2 will be moved from the Common Berthing Mechanism (CBM) at the nadir port of Harmony to the zenith port of Harmony with the SSRMS manipulated by the ISS crew. After Discovery undocks from the ISS, the KOUNOTIORI2 will be returned to the Earth-facing port of Harmony.The KOUNOTORI2's relocation by the SSRMS will begin at 8:30 p.m. on February 18. The relocation is expected to be completed around 6:00 a.m. on February 19.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.923048704Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-26T14:06:00+0000", "id": "93091681163d09952b2affb9ec6508a7", "post_id": "post-217935", "text": "Some ATV hatch opening & ingress photos from Paolo.:)Hi-res version.Hi-res version.", "thread_id": 13881 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.672642048Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-05-08T17:23:09+0100", "id": "4f97af927986c84bfae38dc837c49150", "post_id": "post-222161", "text": "It could even be a breath of fresh air seeing a Swiss movie that doesn't suck like a supermassive black hole thrown into a nebula. The visual FX are cool but from what I've seen of the trailer, acting is in the Z-movie or Euro TV fiction zone.", "thread_id": 14157 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.384849664Z", "author": "orb", "date": "2010-08-25T14:57:23+0100", "id": "08d43426863a0805c83dd291f71fed7c", "post_id": "post-250515", "text": "Moach said:what about the .x format? is that not a directx native thing? (FSX uses a variant of that format, i believe)\n\nOrbiter was designed as a DirectX 7 application, and I think the \".x\"-files:)were introduced just in DirectX 9 -3D Models with .x files:What is the .x file format?This is a Microsoft model format for use with DirectX 9. Its not the most simple format and it is probably not the best. Normally when writing a game you will define your own format and use the 3DS Max SDK (or other modelling package) to create your own exporter. However the .x format allows you to quickly get objects loaded. The advantages of using .x are that there are exporters for Max and other packages and DirectX has a number of helper functions for working with the loaded mesh data. Note that DirectX 10 and 11 do not contain support for .x files directly, instead they use a sdkmesh format that they provide functions for and a tool to convert from .x or .obj to.\n\nAnd since Orbiter 2010, it isn't only DirectX application, but it can be used with other graphics clients.But what's the problem with the .msh file format? The Orbiter mesh format was created to be used with Orbiter. It's easy to edit with notepad or another text editor, and I don't see problems here.", "thread_id": 16206 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.621187072Z", "author": "MetalheadOC", "date": "2011-10-28T16:00:22+0100", "id": "27719a00bb986f3438cacee53223e3e9", "post_id": "post-218661", "text": "mjanicki said:If you're using one of the Proton launch vehicles that comes with the Velcro package, then that launch vehicle uses the Velcro modules. You can only have one module associated with a vehicle, so the Generic Station module can't be used with such vehicles without the vehicle losing all of its other capabilities. The Generic module is really only for those vehicles which are nothing more than a mesh and a config file.I haven't used it myself, but you might want to try something likeUMMUFAwhich gives UMMU capability, but not UCGO, to any vessel with a docking port. I haven't used any of the Velcro launchers so can't so whether or not that will work for you, but it might be worth a look.-- Mike\n\nDrat, Ok thanx. Actually I was going for the opposite effect, I wanted UCGO capability but not UMMU :facepalm:", "thread_id": 13942 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.834647808Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2012-06-15T07:52:53+0100", "id": "40799bab61f019a1fafb8dd2080d7783", "post_id": "post-222270", "text": "Ohh yeh babycakes. This is good science! Voyagers, good schtuff man.I gotta find my SSTV captures from the live data feeds. Had my old Apple \/\/e tied right into the network and got some pretty crude screen captures. This was in DHR I believe and despite even that they kinda sucked. What would you expect from a home-grown (big-time modded) Micromodem II wired up as a digitizer? But it was way beyond kewl back then. Eventually I will find them, and post them right here for all to reminisce about.", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.435705856Z", "author": "Turbinator", "date": "2010-08-25T07:11:57+0100", "id": "55b522e9e9f860e5110cdf44c558816c", "post_id": "post-250525", "text": "Wow, this is the 2nd time in a 2 weeks that I ran in to someone with the same speakers.:cheers:", "thread_id": 16208 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.71283968Z", "author": "rucinter", "date": "2010-04-17T17:47:08+0100", "id": "1c1c64af497bc5a745087377b0e1e9e0", "post_id": "post-217629", "text": "Yes, I've ran orbiter.exe. If I run orbiter_ng.exe, I got a terminal window. Help, please?:)Later edit: I forgot to activate modules on orbiter_ng. Works now. Will report issues as soon as possible.", "thread_id": 13872 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.692244224Z", "author": "supersonic", "date": "2010-05-02T00:20:47+0100", "id": "3fee2b9249a8457bf1932361a6d1018c", "post_id": "post-221108", "text": "I am new to making addons, and I have been wondering how to make a vessel.Thank you guys before hand.:)", "thread_id": 14086 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.522883072Z", "author": "yagni01", "date": "2008-05-26T19:06:20+0100", "id": "1e276c19aa434a85c42859fabaf7215b", "post_id": "post-68977", "text": "Well, I finally got the nerve to release my first add-on. Orb:Connect allows remote access to the Orbiter API (or a lot of it) over sockets. There have been a lot of requests lately for reverend's OUIPC, and I hope this will be an adequate substitute. You can find it at: [ame=\"http:\/\/www.orbithangar.com\/searchid.php?ID=3395\"]Orb:Connect v1.0[\/ame]Its based on the OUIPC code, and many thanks to reverend for permission to build on it.Those of you that fly Doug Beachy's excellent XR-series vehicles will find some special messages via an enhanced public interface. Any vessels that extend that interface (its public and available with the Orb:Connect source code) can also benefit from the extended messages.I hope you enjoy it.", "thread_id": 1623 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.84034944Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-04-18T19:01:20+0100", "id": "b70112cdd697a49a837fedc243980727", "post_id": "post-217724", "text": "I'm working on fixing all of the glitches in the addon. I'm also going to include the LER in the next version.", "thread_id": 13877 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.194646528Z", "author": "golden_eye", "date": "2010-05-07T20:08:09+0100", "id": "1a2f328c88cc54935f8863a01560e541", "post_id": "post-221503", "text": "I've had similar slowness with MTX, but I got it installed and updated this morning after 2 days of downloading and gave it a quick run through to test it out. The only thing I did was make sure the folder security options were set to full control and everything worked fine on my Win7 machine.", "thread_id": 14105 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.620182272Z", "author": "N_Molson", "date": "2010-08-28T16:05:28+0100", "id": "62be595b6f3316b6c5d3d8082cfaacba", "post_id": "post-251032", "text": "Same for me, I can't check, but that's a lot of good work ! :thumbup:", "thread_id": 16256 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.863655168Z", "author": "4throck", "date": "2010-05-09T17:13:40+0100", "id": "280b44452b7b75002f33f13caf388067", "post_id": "post-217762", "text": "Take your time :thumbup: I personally wouldn't mind to have a good Voskhod 1 (specially if you make a working panel, or at least the globe to show your position and the dials to move) only beta and then move on to the EVA stuff. So no rush, keep at it, you will sort it out!", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.293328384Z", "author": "Keatah", "date": "2010-05-05T17:31:17+0100", "id": "4d4d0aa5e9b00c2e8338ae4954c30c20", "post_id": "post-221566", "text": "Ghostrider said:Without Flash, how will be able to lose productivity on Flash games?But it really is a disturbing trend, that I'm afraid will be followed by others. One day will come when we won't own our computers anymore, their makers will own them and since most of our lives are either stored or managed through those devices, they'll own us too. This could well turn out to be a form of hydraulic tyranny - which together with internet filters and traffic shapes will enable a kind of control over citizens even Sauron could only dream about.\n\nI don't see how that could happen unless people are stupid enough TO LET IT HAPPEN!I do absolutely nothing online that I couldn't live without.Anybody that let's a computer manage them is in a sorry state of affairs!", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.9385344Z", "author": "garyw", "date": "2010-09-22T11:13:10+0100", "id": "16cea1b5089d8b5b9feb6890ecec495a", "post_id": "post-249937", "text": "StevoPistolero said:Why do you need time compression?Option A: Server WarpYou just set up different servers and fly in real time. You fly around the moon, and when you get far away you leave the server. You \"warp\" between the void between the servers and end up at Earth.\n\nIf you go for this approach you might as well have jump gates but then if you do that you've removed a key part of Orbiter - the physics. You might as well play multiplayer freelancer.StevoPistolero said:Option B: Small WorldYou base the game around Jupiter. All the action takes place there in real time.\n\nGoing from Europa to Io will still take hours.StevoPistolero said:Option C: Scaled worldYou make everything closer together.\n\nWhich will change the orbits and have worlds in the wrong place because the orbits take less time. Even scaled down, Earth to Mars will take hours and hours.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.864398848Z", "author": "Columbia42", "date": "2010-05-28T19:22:12+0100", "id": "d277021ef42daf897a6426d17aa78749", "post_id": "post-217766", "text": "Here's the newest beta version of this addon:View attachment 4816BTW, If someone who's good at modeling could make an EVA mesh for Voskhod 2, that would be great. (Making a mesh like that look good requires more skill than I have).", "thread_id": 13878 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.434066176Z", "author": "Andy44", "date": "2010-05-05T23:05:07+0100", "id": "0d377d2ce1bf26bd983147c078312bbf", "post_id": "post-221817", "text": "http:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/archive\/2005\/08\/08\/050808sh_shoutsPeople of Mars, you say we are brutes and savages. But let me tell you one thing: if I could get loose from this cage you have me in, I would tear you guys a new Martian .You say we are violent and barbaric, but has any one of you come up to my cage and extended his hand? Because, if he did, I would jerk it off and eat it right in front of him. \u201cMmm, that\u2019s good Martian,\u201d I would say.You say your civilization is more advanced than ours. But who is really the more \u201ccivilized\u201d one? You, standing there watching this cage? Or me, with my pants down, trying to urinate on you? You criticize our Earth religions, saying they have no relevance to the way we actually live. But think about this: if I could get my hands on that god of yours, I would grab his skinny neck and choke him until his big green head exploded.\u200bRead more:http:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/archive\/2005\/08\/08\/050808sh_shouts#ixzz0n5y88PzM\u200b\n\n:rofl::rofl::hello:\u200b", "thread_id": 14129 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.942049536Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-09-22T17:28:51+0100", "id": "45fbf72178124a796dfc7785b77babec", "post_id": "post-249955", "text": "Face said:You can always count on Urwumpe to bring down faulty social design with disruptive means of aggression.;)\n\nI call it white hat hacking on grayware. :lol:", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.881484544Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-04-17T05:43:26+0100", "id": "eac0e9acded0c8c615a42e4997cd65de", "post_id": "post-217812", "text": "If I do anything with Orbiter these days, it's programming during the remaining hours of my short weekend. However I don't blame the system for it - it's the way it should be in my case if I want to master programming.flytandem said:I usually check in on the forum every day or so in hopes of finding others interested in using orbiter as a exercise in planning and navigating. Seems that it's a rare breed that uses Orbiter for this use. To me, using Orbiter the way I like it is as lonely as space itself.\n\nSame here. Vessel specific threads, LEO operations ... Well, if that's what the market needs...Anyway, on Polish forums I used to post some simple math threads which help in navigation, for example ending up with 0 velocity near Phobos, and similar. People liked that, but I doubt if anybody used it, and only one other person was posting such tips (respect for that). Later that guy was able to work on communication with real satellites, was in team that launched a real one with help of Russians. He makes a good tech carrier in general.Still, notice that I don't take part in your navigation threads. This is because I dislike that you have to use TransX the way you do sometimes, by hacking it to achieve the (admirable) result. Such functionalities should be built into the MFD. Too bad that Agentgonzo and I aren't students anymore:)On the other hand, you're the only one who posts comprehensive TransX tutorials for the rare breed.", "thread_id": 13880 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:05.81949056Z", "author": "Enjo", "date": "2010-05-03T14:34:00+0100", "id": "22b8a1e900325deacdd6932589a41b7f", "post_id": "post-221247", "text": "No, because oranges are not apples:)", "thread_id": 14088 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.976631808Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2010-09-29T19:13:46+0100", "id": "d2e57850ca91feee81a8857d31fcf9d5", "post_id": "post-250006", "text": "So in essence it would delegate the ship to AI\/mission control, wouldn't it? Or, you could define a Lua script to guide your ship through contingencies.", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:01.762593536Z", "author": "Urwumpe", "date": "2010-04-19T10:51:49+0100", "id": "449955c5892403577aed9e29d39dc6d3", "post_id": "post-217688", "text": "doggie015 said:http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/story\/0,2933,257340,00.htmlEnough said...\n\nYes. FoxNews should be named \"Murdoch's editorial 24\/7\". That opinion again misses the reality only by a few AU.Like for example nobody being forced to only write articles for which he is qualified. Wikipedia is not a scientific journal. And it is good that way - otherwise many good articles wouldn't exist. The only bad thing are interest conflicts, but these usually quickly found, and if bad intent is detected, dealt by the vandalism rules.", "thread_id": 13873 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.29493504Z", "author": "Ghostrider", "date": "2010-05-08T17:34:40+0100", "id": "cfebeab4a611d4bfaa97851732673795", "post_id": "post-221585", "text": "Hielor said:Using Flash to watch video is like using a semi truck and tractor trailer to do your weekly grocery shopping.\n\nThat depends on how big your family is or how far is your home. Some people I see go for their grocery shopping in vehicles that belong to LV-426.", "thread_id": 14110 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:34.94359168Z", "author": "Wishbone", "date": "2010-09-22T22:18:31+0100", "id": "6667a847f5bac7abb19622f484cabcf5", "post_id": "post-249966", "text": "Ahem. Would you like to play a game of chess?Seriously, looks like some kind of Cold War simulation with nukes is brewing up at warfaresims (the Red Pill)...", "thread_id": 16175 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.300495104Z", "author": "raftdood", "date": "2010-06-08T17:13:25+0100", "id": "cf230127390725d97f3df7ac9e9564a3", "post_id": "post-218069", "text": "T.Neo said:Possible but it had drawbacks. Orbiter becomes unstable and shaky at such distances, so you wouldn't be able to dock at say 4.4 lightyears from Sol.Also, the \"planets\" of the \"star\" will not be able to have their own moons. This rules out a Pandora-Polyphemus arrangement.The planets will also be illuminated by Sol and not their parent star, and Your Mileage May Vary with 3d star textures.****************************I think you'll find this interesting. :thumbup:http:\/\/www.orbiter-forum.com\/showthread.php?p=177042#post177042\n\n", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.326756096Z", "author": "Bloodworth", "date": "2010-05-05T05:40:08+0100", "id": "d5e129dab6ab023696700f6ff00152bf", "post_id": "post-221645", "text": "Yes I have VLC media player, and WMP, and Winamp, AND Divx; they won't play on any of them.", "thread_id": 14115 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.168161792Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2011-02-04T17:19:25+0000", "id": "437bc3c1d0034b6ed2fbd4cb3ec5329d", "post_id": "post-250219", "text": "Here's the time-lapse video of yesterday's (03\/02) SPDM ops.\u200b[ame=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=PCIb5-cLgD0\"]YouTube - htv-2 ssrms spdm timelapse 2[\/ame]The FHRC is now off the EP and on the EOTP, and the SPDM OTCM has manoeuvred to the CTC-4 grapple position.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.304113664Z", "author": "Eli13", "date": "2011-04-16T21:23:11+0100", "id": "d22f2b69a39429a66f1e2a6ea4eff61d", "post_id": "post-218098", "text": "Really? I learned something new today.", "thread_id": 13894 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.339790592Z", "author": "computerex", "date": "2010-05-05T10:47:17+0100", "id": "92d4bde1fe161c3b1619b1426d469ad8", "post_id": "post-221668", "text": "Thank you for providing a useful response cjp. I was thinking the same thing. I was puzzled as to why it worked for the problem in class. If you didn't read the physics forum thread, I'll post the problem here:The slope of f(x) is twice the x value. Given that f(2) = 3, what is f(3)?\n\nI solved this simply by integrating 2x and using the initial condition to find the function, then plugging 3 to get the answer 8.The class however did (f'(3)+f'(2))\/2+f(2) to get eight as well.The responder in the physics forum thread says that the statement in question is true for all quadratic. Is there a proof for that?", "thread_id": 14117 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.507489536Z", "author": "n122vu", "date": "2010-08-25T23:59:26+0100", "id": "93fc2ab78ca60864a14f17aa3f2b07ba", "post_id": "post-250738", "text": "Welcome to the forum!", "thread_id": 16224 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.459305984Z", "author": "Fixerger", "date": "2010-04-23T22:50:25+0100", "id": "8a5fe9f16914d5850bc32755bf94138a", "post_id": "post-218346", "text": "Ghostrider said:Although it's speculation, I cannot fathom the logic of flying the Dragonfly to orbit manned. I see it as purely a construction device, it has limited life support and autonomy and it probably has no seats (you don't need them in freefall) or toilets or anything fancy. You just get in, start it up, close the hatch and go out for some hours until you've done your day's job, then you dock, take a shower and that's it. Sending it up manned would be madness.\n\nIMHO, I will choose Jupiter 120+Dragonfly+Orion. Orion performs all altitude and rendezvous management. It takes dragonfly to its destination then they all docking with target modules. Dragon performs all the work... then crew leaves it with station and comes back to Earth on Orion capsule. That's my first vision that comes to mind.", "thread_id": 13915 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.425712896Z", "author": "ar81", "date": "2010-05-06T01:25:19+0100", "id": "c8791297776524fcedbdd476d538b099", "post_id": "post-221774", "text": "Rocket sound is modern loudy music... she did not catch the wave...:lol:", "thread_id": 14128 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.61288704Z", "author": "Skyfox42", "date": "2010-08-28T13:47:38+0100", "id": "12fe2a8c57d8528fde6d41f1a00d3051", "post_id": "post-251022", "text": "Hello everyone,My question is the following: To succeed an orbital plane change in 'Orbiter' one starts the burn at AN or DN and when stopping the burn the plane changing movement stops as well.In real life, why does the movement stop and does not need to be cancelled out by firing the thrusters in the opposite direction?Hope anyone can help me there.Thanks already a lot. :tiphat:Skyfox42", "thread_id": 16254 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.485218304Z", "author": "KosmoKen", "date": "2010-04-19T03:23:29+0100", "id": "b2f0464cb455fa79b963070c3cff65ae", "post_id": "post-218408", "text": "Are you using an add-on that requires Hi-Res KCS? Can be found on Orbithangar.EDIT: Actually I don't think that's it.. odd. Are you tring to use CVEL Titans by chance?", "thread_id": 13918 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.84205056Z", "author": "GLS", "date": "2017-09-05T22:14:31+0100", "id": "2af86ea06ea2c1329cea70d4b99132bd", "post_id": "post-222311", "text": "The Voyager Bulletin published by JPL during the mission is also a very good read. It's available here:http:\/\/www.planetary.org\/explore\/resource-library\/voyager-mission-status.html", "thread_id": 14169 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:35.15847168Z", "author": "Orbinaut Pete", "date": "2010-10-20T23:21:54+0100", "id": "533f8d018836b7f205b47357e1c0d04d", "post_id": "post-250142", "text": "Kyle said:Pete does NSF articles? Did not know that! Lucky you pete.\n\nThanks, Kyle!:cheers:All my NSF \"works\" can be foundhere.", "thread_id": 16184 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:02.53149056Z", "author": "vonneuman", "date": "2010-04-20T13:34:53+0100", "id": "21ac01940268f0dc23135c8b47aefb8c", "post_id": "post-218473", "text": "This is why I don't like train travel:", "thread_id": 13924 }, { "@timestamp": "2023-09-14T07:13:06.295277824Z", "author": "Zachstar", "date": "2010-05-09T08:53:48+0100", "id": "117b40cd68e96a43f1a96766c86ec036", "post_id": "post-221588", "text": "Hielor said:Yeah, but with the HTML5